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Speaker 2: Better stay tuned see what's going to happen on that front.
Speaker 2: My hand from snow later on tonight and or tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But until then, of course, Uh, I'm watching all the
Speaker 2: analysis this morning on Fox Sports, and I'm told that
Speaker 2: if the Steelers of the four games left, if they
Speaker 2: go one, one and two, if they win one game
Speaker 2: and then lose one game, then have two ties. If
Speaker 2: that happens and the Bengals, Bengals sweep the next four games,
Speaker 2: the Bengals are in the playoffs. That's the only hope
Speaker 2: we have is have the Bengals in the playoffs if
Speaker 2: the Steelers tie two of the next four games. Joining
Speaker 2: you and on Allen this and so many other topics
Speaker 2: is Liz Bonus, the medical health reporter of WKRC Channel twelve.
Speaker 2: We twelve stands for news. Liz Bonus, Welcome again to
Speaker 2: the Bill Cunningham Show. How do you like my analysis
Speaker 2: and the bengals chances in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Hey, I believe in miracles to.
Speaker 2: You, Yes, I do believe in miracles. If that happens.
Speaker 2: That would be a miracle, but they have less than
Speaker 2: a one percent chance. It's zero point zero two, so
Speaker 2: it's possible. But what's the other night I'm watching you?
Speaker 2: Of course I watch you as much as I can,
Speaker 2: and you're doing this topic very close to Tony Bender's prostate,
Speaker 2: and that is that there's something going on in prostate
Speaker 2: health with AI. And this is for men, not women
Speaker 2: or women who identify as men. I guess they have
Speaker 2: prostates and as a consequence that the treatment for prostate
Speaker 2: enlargement and prostate cancer is changing fundamentally. Explain that to
Speaker 2: the American people. Everyone that's got a prostate, you better listen.
Speaker 3: You know, there are some thought that fifty percent of
Speaker 3: us have prostates. We should be talking more about them.
Speaker 3: But you guys are really shy about talking about this
Speaker 3: stuff that impacts everything from sexual function to a whole
Speaker 3: lot more. So we're not going to be shy. We're
Speaker 3: going to talk to you a little bit about what's
Speaker 3: going on. Two different things you mentioned there. One is
Speaker 3: benign prostate hyperplasia, which is it gets too.
Speaker 4: Big and it makes you peel all night.
Speaker 3: The other is prostate cancer and the biggest breakthrough that
Speaker 3: we've seen is that artificial intelligence now can customize your
Speaker 3: care especially with pretty much many types of imaging, but
Speaker 3: in prostate cancer. It's now being used in the Tristate.
Speaker 3: Our friends at the Urology Group some of the first
Speaker 3: in the region to take a care scan that you
Speaker 3: do before you have a treatment plan in radiation, and
Speaker 3: normally what happens is that that takes a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks and then your body will sort of come in
Speaker 3: and it'll adjust, meaning you know, your bladder's a little
Speaker 3: full or your bowels a little full, and that can
Speaker 3: stir off some of those results like you're getting zapped
Speaker 3: and they want to zap you precisely. Well, Now with AI,
Speaker 3: what they'll do is they have you lay down on
Speaker 3: the radiation machine and the imaging itself. AI will adapt
Speaker 3: essentially your cat scan to what your bladder and bowel
Speaker 3: looks like that day, which means when they zap you,
Speaker 3: they're getting the stuff you need them to get and
Speaker 3: not the outside stuff around it. Because if you talk
Speaker 3: to guys, they are terrified not of getting you know,
Speaker 3: their PSA and the process can't do it. They're terrified
Speaker 3: that like we're going to lose sexual function, we're gonna
Speaker 3: be ping on ourselves, which is a legitimate concern. You're
Speaker 3: much more worried about the side effects. Well, now AI
Speaker 3: in medicine is helping to take care of that, because
Speaker 3: when you precisely only hit the target, you leave those
Speaker 3: other organs alone.
Speaker 4: What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: I love it because I go to neurology group, beginning
Speaker 2: with doctor Allan Cordell. Now I'm with Patrick Hertz, and
Speaker 2: as a consequence, he has me on flow max. I
Speaker 2: think Tony's on flow max because as men get older,
Speaker 2: and thank god, whether it's your dad, your grandfather, what
Speaker 2: you want men to get older. And as you get older,
Speaker 2: the prosta is like a tree, it keeps getting more
Speaker 2: rings around it with pressures, you know, the flow of
Speaker 2: urine getting up two or three times the night's no good.
Speaker 2: And so but the fear men have a fear of
Speaker 2: having things stuck in them. I don't care if it's
Speaker 2: urology or if it's the bow, you know, having a colonoscopy.
Speaker 2: Those things men don't want to do that. I don't
Speaker 2: think women want to do it either, but men really
Speaker 2: don't want to do it, and so I can't tell
Speaker 2: how many. A couple friends of mine have bowel cancer,
Speaker 2: which is terrible. A few of the friends of mine
Speaker 2: have had prostay cancer, which is more treatable, But men
Speaker 2: don't want to go to the doctor for these purposes.
Speaker 2: As a woman type person, can you tell me?
Speaker 3: You know, I think some of it is the invincible thing,
Speaker 3: don't you.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, I just think it makes us vulnerable.
Speaker 3: And guys, we were just raised.
Speaker 4: The guy is not vulnerable when.
Speaker 3: We talk about this stuff all the time. So you know,
Speaker 3: we'll kind of an advantage. We'll learn about the new
Speaker 3: treatments and whatnot. But you should know that even if
Speaker 3: it's not prostate cancer, there's a second thing neurologies group
Speaker 3: is doing on the I have to get up and
Speaker 3: pee all night and it's called prostate artery embolization. Oh
Speaker 3: and I got to watch It's really cool. I got
Speaker 3: to watch them like inject these beads. I know you
Speaker 3: said you don't like stuff stuck in you, but this
Speaker 3: is actually this is actually a liquid full of teeny
Speaker 3: when beats and if they can find the right blood
Speaker 3: vessels that go around the prostate area, the inject these
Speaker 3: little beads into them, and they essentially eventually cut off
Speaker 3: the blood supply which is feeding the prostate getting bigger
Speaker 3: and bigger and bigger, and pretty soon it just shrivels up.
Speaker 3: I know that doesn't sound right, but you do want
Speaker 3: it to just rill and it shrivels up enough that
Speaker 3: you will stop having that kind of pressure the enlarged prostates,
Speaker 3: it shrinks and you stop peeing all night.
Speaker 2: How's that? Well, I'll tell you what. One of our
Speaker 2: advertisers I should not mention his name, so I will
Speaker 2: not without his permission, had that exactly done about six
Speaker 2: months ago, and he said it changed his life for
Speaker 2: the better. He was getting up four or five six
Speaker 2: times a night, couldn't sleep. All of a sudden, he
Speaker 2: had that exact procedure done Eurology Group. And guess what,
Speaker 2: he's now afraid he can sleep all night, which is important. Now. Secondly,
Speaker 2: let's talk about ozempic. So many men and women are
Speaker 2: on these exotic drugs ozempik to lose weight. It was
Speaker 2: perceived to be a drug for some other purpose, just
Speaker 2: like viagra was perceived for some other purpose. All of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it helps certain other areas of life to
Speaker 2: stand up tall and proud and so with Flomax that
Speaker 2: helped me a lot. But now we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about ozempik. Explain in general ozempik off someone's overweight, what happens.
Speaker 2: Then ozempik for sex, which is Tony Bender's interest. Explain
Speaker 2: this to me.
Speaker 3: Well, I won't say that we are using ozembic for sex.
Speaker 3: I will tell you that there are side effects. Now
Speaker 3: we call ozembic penis and ozembic baton, and that might
Speaker 3: influence sex. So let's start with what ozembic or wagov
Speaker 3: or zep bound semaglue tide is what they're called by generics.
Speaker 3: These are drugs that you inject into the abdomen, and
Speaker 3: they're working on a pill. By the way, it's going
Speaker 3: to be available very soon, if it isn't already. Where
Speaker 3: it delays the gastric emptying, so you eat your lunch
Speaker 3: and rather than it's just kind of going through you
Speaker 3: and digesting at a normal peace, it sits in the
Speaker 3: lower end testine for a while, and because of that,
Speaker 3: you feel less hungry and you eat less and lose weight.
Speaker 3: And that's a different concept than the pill helps me
Speaker 3: lose weight. You lose weight because you eat less, and
Speaker 3: you eat less because you're not hungry, so you can
Speaker 3: eat around these things.
Speaker 4: Trust me, not everybody loses weight.
Speaker 5: But you're right.
Speaker 3: They were developed originally to bring your blood sugars down.
Speaker 3: We've now found they help bring weight down, help bring
Speaker 3: blood pressure down, might help your kidneys, might use your
Speaker 3: risk for certain cancers. There's all kinds of things. But
Speaker 3: keep in mind that when stuff is sitting in the gut,
Speaker 3: there's these little bacteria that we have. We call them
Speaker 3: the gut microbiomes and whatnot, and there's, yeah, there's some
Speaker 3: thought that when you mess with those, you mess with
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, like everything from brain signaling to
Speaker 3: your ability and desire to even have sex.
Speaker 4: How do you like that.
Speaker 2: In your belly keep you from wanting to enjoy sex?
Speaker 2: I think a little worms a little bit. You know.
Speaker 2: That's not a pleasant look.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, And that's sort of what they are.
Speaker 3: There's a very we're you know, we're fearfully and wonderfully made.
Speaker 3: There's a delicate balance in our gut, and when you
Speaker 3: mess with the balance, there's some thought that you mess
Speaker 3: with the bacteria in your body. And for women it's
Speaker 3: a real thing. They call it odempic vagina and it
Speaker 3: will actually mess with the bacteria which then gives you
Speaker 3: like yeast infections and all the kind of things that
Speaker 3: don't really lend to intimacy. Right, So it's a thing,
Speaker 3: and they say, if you are on this, you should
Speaker 3: tell your doctor if you're noticing things like more yeast infections.
Speaker 3: But also you can address some of that. Now, there's
Speaker 3: a couple of different kinds of over the counter supplements,
Speaker 3: like they call them pro antosyanins, which are like they
Speaker 3: promote there's stuff that's read in cherries and it's like
Speaker 3: a good bacteria that can help you know, sort of
Speaker 3: the bowel remove some of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, that you don't want. So women might have
Speaker 2: a choice of losing weight or having sex. I think
Speaker 2: most women would say I'd rather lose weight than have sex.
Speaker 2: Am I right or wrong about that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: One of my girlfriends said, when you lose weight, you
Speaker 3: have more sex. So I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Well, let's go let's talk about let's talk let's talk
Speaker 2: about ozepig long term. Some have said to me, look
Speaker 2: at Fenn Fenn, which supposedly was gonna be a great thing.
Speaker 2: Then about ten years later we found out that have
Speaker 2: destroyed heart valves or there was medical How do we
Speaker 2: know ozempic are these other exotic drugs are not having
Speaker 2: an effect we won't know about for ten years.
Speaker 3: Well, they've actually been in development for that long, believe
Speaker 3: it or not. I've been watching this research for a
Speaker 3: long time. So for more than a decade we have
Speaker 3: watched that. But I think we are seeing some side
Speaker 3: effects we've never seen before. The ozempic vagina and ozempic
Speaker 3: penis is a whole new set of a whole new
Speaker 3: level of things we never talked about. But if you
Speaker 3: think about it, just delaying gas or emptying isn't going
Speaker 3: to have the same effect as like a fen fen
Speaker 3: that shut down your lung. Now we don't know for
Speaker 3: sure what happens when you do leave stuff in the gut,
Speaker 3: like could we later see higher risks of other things? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that you know, we I mean, And there's everything is
Speaker 3: benefit versus risk. But if you talk to a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are taking it, if you're you know,
Speaker 3: nearing three hundred pounds and your doctor says your heart's
Speaker 3: not going to carry this for much longer, losing the
Speaker 3: weight gives you a benefit that maybe at the time
Speaker 3: greater than the risk. Always got a weigh that. But
Speaker 3: by the way, ozentpic penis is not a real thing
Speaker 3: to see, you know.
Speaker 2: Explain that to Tony Bender. Explain that please.
Speaker 3: They started calling it that because these guys would lose
Speaker 3: the belly the penis looked larger.
Speaker 4: Okay, And so they were like, I'm not penis, Like, no.
Speaker 2: That's a good not a good thing, not a good thing.
Speaker 2: You lose your belly, pleasure get uncle Charlie, gets a
Speaker 2: little more, a little more protrusion, shall we say. So
Speaker 2: it's a double whammia in a good way. You lose
Speaker 2: your belly and your thing gets a little bit bigger.
Speaker 3: It appears that way. It's not necessarily true. I mean,
Speaker 3: you lose your belly, a lot of things get easier,
Speaker 3: like you can see your feet, you know. But what
Speaker 3: you know, it's really interesting what you just call it,
Speaker 3: mister Charlie or something. I was working on a story
Speaker 3: when the eed drugs first came out in the newsroom
Speaker 3: and I was trying to, you know, figure out how
Speaker 3: to make it appropriate for the family audience at four
Speaker 3: or five PM. And I'm like, hey, does anyone have
Speaker 3: another word for penis? And let me tell you thea
Speaker 3: I have, like sixteen people pop up, mister Weekley.
Speaker 4: You know whatever.
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of fish, Charlie.
Speaker 4: What is the names?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What's up with the names?
Speaker 3: And you guys with all that stuff? You know, like
Speaker 3: you know, girls don't name their naty part for some reason.
Speaker 3: You guys all have a name.
Speaker 2: You may call it mss kitty, but I call it
Speaker 2: mister Charlie. So, so getting back to getting getting back
Speaker 2: to zempic right now. You have to inject it, correct,
Speaker 2: You have to inject it. Yeah, I'm watching the CEO
Speaker 2: of of Lily the other day on CNBC. He talked
Speaker 2: about a pill form which many people would find more acceptable.
Speaker 2: Was that coming down the road?
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 3: And actually what's really interesting is some of the research
Speaker 3: to do that was done here in the Tri State.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of different as you know, we have
Speaker 3: some rather large research organizations here that do great work,
Speaker 3: and some of those have been testing the semaglu type pill.
Speaker 3: And it's supposed to work in.
Speaker 4: The same way.
Speaker 3: You have to like obviously adjust dosing because the reason
Speaker 3: you inject is so that it goes right into the
Speaker 3: area that you want shift to adjust dosing. But the
Speaker 3: pill is showing positive results, and the number one thing
Speaker 3: that keeps people from selecting the injection are going on
Speaker 3: is they don't like shots. I have a feeling. I mean,
Speaker 3: right now, about twelve percent of people are on, so
Speaker 3: one in eight they think is on the ozembic injectable.
Speaker 3: So think about the number of people that are going
Speaker 3: to go on the pill when you can actually pop that.
Speaker 3: There's some people saying they're selling it now. It's rolling
Speaker 3: out in limited doses, but probably by the end of
Speaker 3: twenty six we're going to see it on a more
Speaker 3: regular thing, and I think it'll regularly be prescribed. I'm
Speaker 3: like you, though, man, I think you out of a
Speaker 3: million people on it before you see what's going on.
Speaker 3: So I would still approach with caution, and I would
Speaker 3: still tell you you lose weight because.
Speaker 4: You eat less.
Speaker 3: It's not like a magic fat burning pill. You got
Speaker 3: stuff sitting in the gut delayed that so you don't
Speaker 3: feel it's hungry. And that's great if it helps you
Speaker 3: eat less.
Speaker 4: But you know what all these people.
Speaker 3: Are doing now is they're taking the drugs they want
Speaker 3: Charlie to look better and they don't exercise, don't change
Speaker 3: their diet. Well, what happens then when you go off that?
Speaker 2: I see this statistic, Yeah, I talk about that lits
Speaker 2: when you go off that. I've seen statistics that it
Speaker 2: has negative consequences for someone's muscular structure, et cetera. So
Speaker 2: at some point you go off of it, and then
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 3: It may be as high as ninety five percent of
Speaker 3: the people regain the weight plus ten.
Speaker 4: Percent they like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And part of that is people that exercise may
Speaker 3: have as much as double the success rate keeping weight
Speaker 3: off compared to people that don't. And it's not because
Speaker 3: like you really burn so much, so many more calories exercising.
Speaker 3: If you think about what exercise does, it builds muscle,
Speaker 3: and when a muscle is fit, it uses up more
Speaker 3: energy throughout the day. So when you're sitting around doing nothing,
Speaker 3: you're still burning more calories. Okay, but also you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I dragged my butt
Speaker 3: up and get on the lip or get on the
Speaker 3: treadmill at four in the morning every day because it
Speaker 3: helps my mental health. I mean, like I want to
Speaker 3: hurt people coming in if I don't do that, and
Speaker 3: I think there is a therapy to that that is
Speaker 3: the cheapest therapy you will ever find, And in the meantime,
Speaker 3: then your body's getting a benefit. Well why do you overeat?
Speaker 3: You overeat generally because you're like pissed off or stressed
Speaker 3: out or frustrated, or it tastes good. And if you
Speaker 3: don't have another coping mechanism, which is what exercise can
Speaker 3: help you with, you don't ever really have a way
Speaker 3: to sort of work against that. So you stop taking
Speaker 3: the drug, you feel hungry again, and you start picking out.
Speaker 3: So there's one hundred reasons to incorporate, you know, regular
Speaker 3: exercise and some diet changes in theount.
Speaker 2: And I'm told these drugs are extremely expensive, but they're
Speaker 2: coming down if it goes to a pill form, wouldn't
Speaker 2: that I can see five or ten years all of
Speaker 2: us on these things. I can see all of us
Speaker 2: on one pill with all of these things in it,
Speaker 2: right within five or ten years.
Speaker 3: Well, so they thought that about like statins, like maybe
Speaker 3: we should put them in the world for your heart,
Speaker 3: you know, but there will always be people that will
Speaker 3: have side effects, So who knows. But one thing I
Speaker 3: do think is that you know, we talked about the AI.
Speaker 3: The DNA testing is going to start when you're like
Speaker 3: an infant now, or maybe when you get to be
Speaker 3: an adult, and they'll be able to tell you, well,
Speaker 3: you're predisposed for obesity or you're predisposed for heart disease,
Speaker 3: and they probably will start putting us on some of
Speaker 3: these preventative you know, for preventive purposes. And I think
Speaker 3: you're going to see a prescription used for a whole
Speaker 3: different purpose. But yeah, if you're looking at like medical
Speaker 3: stocks for investment, these would be good ones.
Speaker 2: Probably absolutely. If twelve percent of I'm not on it yet,
Speaker 2: you're skinny and good shape, don't have to be on it.
Speaker 2: I can see at some point someone's saying, I could
Speaker 2: lose thirty forty fifty pounds with little or no side effects.
Speaker 2: I'll take Ozembic has this side effect of helping Miss
Speaker 2: Kitty and also Charlie, and it's a consequence. Everybody's happy.
Speaker 2: And I can see in one pill having everything in
Speaker 2: one pill. Low cholesterol, maybe high blood pressure, it might
Speaker 2: be for weight purposes, it might be for liver or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. It'll be within five or ten years
Speaker 2: of one pill for everything, is that where we're headed.
Speaker 2: M Maybe not.
Speaker 3: I think there'll be one pill for weight loss. No,
Speaker 3: this is specific purposes. But you know what's really interesting
Speaker 3: about this is I've read some really interesting research that
Speaker 3: when you take away hunger, you lose your zest for
Speaker 3: certain things, like you mention, like the sexual intimacy. There's
Speaker 3: some people who say, like, I just kind of didn't
Speaker 3: really want to do anything if I didn't want to eat.
Speaker 3: You forget how much like hunger plays a role in
Speaker 3: going to dinner and being excited about seeing someone. And
Speaker 3: I wonder, Yeah, drink drink and wine, which leads to
Speaker 3: more intimacy. Yeah, there's some thought that this is going
Speaker 3: to influence or this can influence your life in ways
Speaker 3: that you never really thought about. And if you're if
Speaker 3: food has been like your passion and now it's not,
Speaker 3: you're going to notice things like that.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that's.
Speaker 3: All bad, but it's fascinating to watch all the things
Speaker 3: that happen when you start altering the guts like you
Speaker 3: talk about, Charlie. But the gun alfors the brain, and
Speaker 3: the brain is a powerful organ, let.
Speaker 4: Me tell you.
Speaker 3: And when you start messing with that and you lose
Speaker 3: your passion for food and life and dust and wanting
Speaker 3: to do stuff. I don't know if we're all going
Speaker 3: to want to be on that or not be like yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it's where like people who said they tried marijuana,
Speaker 3: it just made them not want to do anything right.
Speaker 2: You know, you want to eat a bunch of pizza
Speaker 2: and eat popcorn. And I don't know what the ELL's going.
Speaker 2: And we don't know the long term effects of marijuana
Speaker 2: for teenagers. We have no idea in thirty years what
Speaker 2: we're going to deal with. But list Bonus, we got
Speaker 2: to run. You're the best at what you do, and
Speaker 2: you're a wonderful guest. More importantly, you're like a encyclopedia
Speaker 2: of health. And I think Channel twelve should double your
Speaker 2: salary and cut your ears in half. Do you agree?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm going to play this little snippet
Speaker 3: for my boss.
Speaker 2: You tell them right now, tell them to give me
Speaker 2: a call. I'll set him straight. Liz Bonus, All.
Speaker 3: Right, good deal, Thank you you and yours, Merry Christmas
Speaker 3: in the Happy New Year.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Liz bon God bless you.
Speaker 5: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Let's continue with more Let's continue. Wow, never thought about
Speaker 2: Charlie and Miss Kitty now in any other way. Let's
Speaker 2: continue with more news coming up. And that was Liz Bonus,
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Speaker 2: a couple of bookkeeping matters. After one o'clock today, we
Speaker 2: have Peter Bronson, it's going to be here. Wrote a
Speaker 2: new book about certain murders and other things happening in
Speaker 2: River City and also the references to Stan Chesley with
Speaker 2: Fenfinn murder Mystery and more. And he'll be here after
Speaker 2: one o'clock today. After two o'clock, we've scheduled Carrie Severino,
Speaker 2: who's a close personal friend of Amy Coney Barrett. She
Speaker 2: was a federal law clerk with Clarence Thomas. She's written
Speaker 2: several books on what the Supreme Court's going to do.
Speaker 2: You've seen her on Fox News other platforms. Carrie Severena
Speaker 2: will be here after two o'clock and so we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens to all of that. A couple of housekeeper
Speaker 2: matters and this will not be covered by the mainstream
Speaker 2: media because it doesn't fit their conclusions. How about this one.
Speaker 2: Hamas hid tons of infant formula and nutritional shakes in
Speaker 2: order to smear Israel. And I'm reading this story out
Speaker 2: of Switzerland, by the way, you might recall, for months
Speaker 2: and months and months, the world chipped in large quantities
Speaker 2: of baby formula and they're ready to eat meals and
Speaker 2: no one knew where the food went. Israel at some
Speaker 2: point said we sent in tons of food, allowed it
Speaker 2: to go in. Now we're not allowing anymore until someone's
Speaker 2: discovering what's happening to the food. So for more than
Speaker 2: two years, the pro Palestinian crowd, mainly democrats on college campuses,
Speaker 2: accused Israel of starving people in Gaza, especially children, committing genocide.
Speaker 2: It turns out it was all lie, and here is proof. Hamas,
Speaker 2: according to the Red Cross in Switzerland, hid tons of
Speaker 2: baby formula to hurt children, to cause as much death
Speaker 2: and disease as possible, and to damage Israel. The goal
Speaker 2: was to worsen the hunger crisis and initiate a disaster
Speaker 2: as part of the Hamas's famine narrative. In a desperate
Speaker 2: effort to stop Israel's onslaught against Gaza and forced the
Speaker 2: return of UN's aid distribution mechanism and away from the
Speaker 2: controversial Gaza humanitarian foundation which supplied the money. Now it's
Speaker 2: obvious that we've documented the waste and deliberate disposal of
Speaker 2: tons of baby formula for Palestinian babies, nutritional children shaken,
Speaker 2: more children's powdered milk which Hamas hoarded away. Given the
Speaker 2: saturation of the coastal enclay with humanitarian aid and the
Speaker 2: cease fire for months to continue, Hamas hid tons of
Speaker 2: baby formula and destroyed nutritional shakes meant for children inside
Speaker 2: a warehouse to allow gozens to starve and further as
Speaker 2: claims of widespread genocide by the Jews. Hamad Fuad, a
Speaker 2: Islamic activist, I'm sorry Hamas activists accused the terror group
Speaker 2: of hoarding food meant for children in order cause as
Speaker 2: much much death and disease as possible. This isn't the
Speaker 2: first time. This is with the Hamasis withheld aid to
Speaker 2: make a political point. This is a huge international story,
Speaker 2: confirmed by the International Red Cross and by UN humanitarian groups.
Speaker 2: Have you heard about this in the media. This came out.
Speaker 2: By the way, the date was December third, so it's
Speaker 2: been out about a week and ABC, NBCCBS silence. Why
Speaker 2: doesn't fit the media narrative. You have to listen to
Speaker 2: me to get the truth. So Hamas wanted to kill
Speaker 2: as many Palestinian children as possible to put pressure on
Speaker 2: Israel internationally so they would stop what they're doing. Let
Speaker 2: Hamas have more control than Gaza. So the Gozans were
Speaker 2: murdered and killed by Hamas. How big is this story?
Speaker 2: It's bigger than Montana, but it will not be covered
Speaker 2: because it doesn't fit, does it. Secondly, I like to
Speaker 2: highlight good people doing good things in deer Park the
Speaker 2: root of it all. Natasha Cohorst is on city Council
Speaker 2: in deer Park. Natasha Cohorst, and she put together an
Speaker 2: effort to shop with a cop. There's fifty to sixty
Speaker 2: families in deer Park that are going to have special Christmases,
Speaker 2: many businesses in deer Park, many graduates at deer Park
Speaker 2: High School. Good intended individuals put together at several thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars and they've identified through Amity School, the grade school,
Speaker 2: fifty to sixty families that need some help. As you
Speaker 2: know Chris Euster and Deer Park has a closet in
Speaker 2: which Deer Park families put their extra clothing. So if
Speaker 2: someone in the school system needs clothing, a coat, a
Speaker 2: pair of shoes, whatever it is, there's a closet available
Speaker 2: you can go into and pick out whatever you want.
Speaker 2: And now Natasha Cohorst of Deer Park City Council is
Speaker 2: going to make sure these families at risk in deer Park.
Speaker 2: Guess what, have more of a Christmas. The otherwise would
Speaker 2: not have good people doing good things. So congratulations shop
Speaker 2: on the shop with the comp and deer Park. They're
Speaker 2: going to go to Target or they're on Blint Blue
Speaker 2: on Blue Ash Road, and these kids are going to
Speaker 2: have a great Christmas. And thirdly, you talk about the
Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars stolen just in Minnesota. This
Speaker 2: is how it worked. And by the way, there's been
Speaker 2: zero coverage of this story by ABC, NBC and CBS
Speaker 2: or NPR on the national news. They don't cover it
Speaker 2: because it is so bad. The Somalians figured out with
Speaker 2: the assistance of their governor, Tim Waltz and the attorney
Speaker 2: general of a guy named Allison, and the mayor, a
Speaker 2: guy named Fry, and also the Biden administration to put
Speaker 2: together dozens and dozens of medical clinics occupied by so
Speaker 2: called Somali doctors that literally provided thousands and thousands of
Speaker 2: kids in Minneapolis calling I'm autistic. And in consequence there
Speaker 2: was a special government program to assist autistic children with
Speaker 2: teachers and medical care and hunger treatment, et cetera, and
Speaker 2: verbal skills, et cetera. So over the years under the
Speaker 2: Democrats in Minnesota, the number may be as many as
Speaker 2: eight billion US dollars. It could be as little as
Speaker 2: one point five billion. Were these fraudulent clinics in which
Speaker 2: the money flowed from Washington in the Minneapolis into the
Speaker 2: Smalan community. And then there were millions and millions and
Speaker 2: millions of kids that did not receive care in Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: but the monies were kept by the fraudsters, several hundred Somalians,
Speaker 2: some of whom elin Omar. For example, the congressman was
Speaker 2: worth sixty thousand dollars six years ago. She's now worth
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. How do you go into public service
Speaker 2: and you come out worth tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: and not be corrupt? It's impossible. And also El Shabab,
Speaker 2: which is a terrorist group in Somealia, was involved in
Speaker 2: the fraud in which there were millions and millions of
Speaker 2: dollars of the billions of dollars wasted of your money
Speaker 2: that went to Al Shabab and Somalia to kill more
Speaker 2: Christians in Somalia, which is a completely dysfunctional government. Now
Speaker 2: this is a huge story, but when called on it,
Speaker 2: Minneapolis and the governor and the mayor and the attorney
Speaker 2: general all say it's racism. To point it out, it's
Speaker 2: all racism. And of course all of their citizenship applications
Speaker 2: were mainline to make it easier to steal more money,
Speaker 2: and you paid for it. And by the way, that
Speaker 2: is one American city, that is one clan in one
Speaker 2: liberal state. Most of the democratic the Blue states will
Speaker 2: not share with the FEDS any SNAP recipient information. So
Speaker 2: you can cross check to see number one of their
Speaker 2: citizens number two. Are there multiple Snap accounts using different
Speaker 2: social gurity numbers but the same person. And now the
Speaker 2: blue cities and Blue states will not give the FEDS
Speaker 2: the information of how big the fraud truly is. Do
Speaker 2: you think we have problems? Absolutely? Oh, let's continue with more.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the commercials. Coming up in about
Speaker 2: ten minutes or so will be Peter Bronson, formerly editorial
Speaker 2: page director of The Inquiries Now is a great author,
Speaker 2: also later on as Carrie Severino about cases before the
Speaker 2: US Supreme Court and more. But I want to congratulate
Speaker 2: Natasha Cohorst of Deer Park count That's the way it
Speaker 2: should work. Person of person, people in need. We can
Speaker 2: add that person's in need, let's help that person. Let's
Speaker 2: not have a government agency with billions of dollars part
Speaker 2: of fraud, manipulated by liberal democratic cities to pay themselves
Speaker 2: lots of money and to fund terrorism all over the world.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't this be We're is sixty minutes when you need it.
Speaker 2: Leslie Stall get to Minneapolis the report on this. Do
Speaker 2: you think she will? Hell no, Let's continue you with more.
Speaker 2: Bill Cunning and the great American speaking truth to power
Speaker 2: a news radio seven hundred WLW. My Billy Cunning him
Speaker 2: a great American. Of course. Peter Bronson comes by once
Speaker 2: or twice a year to talk about a recent book
Speaker 2: of his. A new one out is The Magical History Tour, Murder,
Speaker 2: Mystery and Buried History. Showed stories by Peter Bronson with
Speaker 2: the Inquir for many years as a columnists also ran
Speaker 2: that Didn't you run the place for a while? No,
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 6: I was editorial page editor, so I ran the opinion section.
Speaker 6: I was an associate editor that was the title, and
Speaker 6: then I was a full time columnist after that.
Speaker 2: So when did you begin as with the Inquir? What
Speaker 2: year was that? Ninety two? Editorial page editor? That was?
Speaker 2: That was big?
Speaker 6: Whate what TV, radio and newspapers have gone through. Oh
Speaker 6: my gosh, thirty three years. When I got there, bill
Speaker 6: the Inquire was three hundred and sixty five thousand. I
Speaker 6: remembered that because it's a thousand every day of the year,
Speaker 6: three hundred and sixty five thousand circulation.
Speaker 2: That thing was big as a yule log. Right when
Speaker 2: it was delivered and we got out. I get up
Speaker 2: in the morning, I walk out the end of my driveway,
Speaker 2: pick up the paper and come back. Now. Oh, if
Speaker 2: you set your dog up, the dog.
Speaker 6: Does sixty five thousand, three hundred and sixty five thousands.
Speaker 2: It's like twenty two thousands. Oh, I don't know. The
Speaker 2: last I heard was around forty thousand. Maybe.
Speaker 6: But if they're counting online in that then that's kind
Speaker 6: of high. So it's just a very sad story about
Speaker 6: what happened to newspapers. It was such a fun business
Speaker 6: and unfortunately it's kind of a thing in the past,
Speaker 6: like horseshoes.
Speaker 2: It's ever ever, every and in just the inquir it's
Speaker 2: every it's everywhere, everywhere, every newspaper, yeah, every radio station. Well,
Speaker 2: we used to have one hundred and twenty five employees.
Speaker 2: I think we have now about thirty or forty. And
Speaker 2: local news, local TV news. Everybody's going to streaming.
Speaker 6: They want everything tailored to their political opinion and their
Speaker 6: point of view, so they get their news from places
Speaker 6: like facebooks and Twitter feeds.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 5: Not good.
Speaker 2: This is not news. These are not professionals. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about magical history tour. But is this good to bad?
Speaker 2: For the for the republic, for the democracy good? Or
Speaker 2: isn't it bad? It's terrible.
Speaker 6: It's terrible because we used to have people staffing all
Speaker 6: of the local government meetings and they had somebody looking
Speaker 6: over their shoulder, so you know, before they did something wrong,
Speaker 6: they would look both ways.
Speaker 2: It's a sure enquire here. Yeah, who's listening? Not anymore?
Speaker 2: So what have we seen since then?
Speaker 6: We see scandal after scandal, corruption, stupidity, no watch dog, No.
Speaker 2: No, we're gonna have a mayor who doesn't pay his
Speaker 2: car payments. Yeah, yeah, he's kind of you know, right
Speaker 2: now I have to appear of all us having some troubles.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't make any difference. If the election were
Speaker 2: held tomorrow, he would still give eighty two percent of
Speaker 2: the vote. Absolutely, it's no joke. If they don't pay
Speaker 2: your note, that sounds like an ad.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then council members, of course go to prison. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's another issue. And then two or three more they
Speaker 2: got bankruptcy problems, and they got they don't pay their notes,
Speaker 2: and they know there's no In fact, I speak to
Speaker 2: politicians off to Warren County Butler County, and I go
Speaker 2: in and I said, do you have anybody looking over
Speaker 2: your shoulder what you're doing?
Speaker 6: And the answer is uniformly no. No, there's no coverage
Speaker 6: of what it shows.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 6: It shows in what the kind of government we're getting,
Speaker 6: which isn't good, not much.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the book before I forget. My friend
Speaker 2: Fritz Horn wants to wish you a happy birthday, which
Speaker 2: is coming up tomorrow. Tomorrow, I turned seventy eight years old.
Speaker 2: Seventy eight, whoa, I know it. I don't know where
Speaker 2: the years of six behind you? Six? Well, I always
Speaker 2: said I want to be eighty. I hope to make
Speaker 2: it to eighty. You'll make it. Make it eighty, bear,
Speaker 2: look like you're going to make it. My body, by
Speaker 2: the way, is sixty one. That Kerry Okus did this
Speaker 2: big thing on me. You did the whole scan, did this?
Speaker 2: Did that?
Speaker 6: He said, I have a body. He said, you're sixty one.
Speaker 6: I said, well, that's not when my mother told to No,
Speaker 6: I guess I'm forty forty. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 6: the book first of all, before we do that, you
Speaker 6: have an ex serb in here yea.
Speaker 2: And eighteen seventy eight. Yes, Cincinnati was shocked when grave robbers,
Speaker 2: my ancestors took this so of a former president from
Speaker 2: his fresh grave in North ben Yes, detective which almost
Speaker 2: became Cincinnati. North Bend was close two hundred years ago
Speaker 2: to becoming Cincinnati, but did norkhem. Yeah, but detectives found
Speaker 2: the body hanging in a pit at Cincinnati's Ohio Medical
Speaker 2: College eighteen seventy eight.
Speaker 6: It's quite that story. Oh, it's an amazing story. So
Speaker 6: this guy who was taken the night he was buried,
Speaker 6: his body was stolen from Congress Green Cemetery, which is
Speaker 6: right across the street from the William Henry Harrison Memorial
Speaker 6: on Mountain Nebo in North Bend, Okay.
Speaker 2: His body is hauled out of the grave the very
Speaker 2: night he is buried. Do we know who did it?
Speaker 2: Was it Old County? Was it William Cunningham? Might have
Speaker 2: been your what is that great grande? He was a
Speaker 2: grave robber, he was a resurrectionist.
Speaker 6: Please continue, Yes, So the mistake they made was usually
Speaker 6: they took their bodies for dissection from the paupers cemetery
Speaker 6: or what they called the colored section of the cemeteries.
Speaker 6: And in those days that was common because those people
Speaker 6: had no influence to object. But this time they took
Speaker 6: President's son, William Henry Harrison's son.
Speaker 2: For one reason.
Speaker 6: Also, get this, he was also the father of a president,
Speaker 6: his son, his own son, Benjamin Harrison Harrison became president later.
Speaker 6: So this guy whose body they took has the unique
Speaker 6: He is the single person in US history who was
Speaker 6: both the son and a father of a US go
Speaker 6: The son I think eighteen forty ninth President William Henry
Speaker 6: Harrison died somewhat quickly.
Speaker 2: Yes, he died suddenly in his sleep. And then his son,
Speaker 2: forty years later eighteen eighties, Yes, became a president. So
Speaker 2: this guy was the son and the father of are
Speaker 2: This guy was a notable this guy like a George Bush.
Speaker 6: Talk well, he was a well known person and very
Speaker 6: beloved in the community. And when they found his grave missing,
Speaker 6: of course, that was a huge scandal.
Speaker 2: There's some speculation.
Speaker 6: I think there's good reason to believe that the doctors,
Speaker 6: the dean who ran the Ohio Medical College specifically asked
Speaker 6: for that body because they often put orders in. And
Speaker 6: I think, yes, in fact, there was I've learned.
Speaker 2: This he would last meet some Marco say about this.
Speaker 6: Here it gets better. I learned from my friend Lieutenant
Speaker 6: Steve Kramer at the Cincinnati Police Museum that there was
Speaker 6: even a custom called burking, in which people would kill
Speaker 6: you for your body and sell it and sell your
Speaker 6: clothes and jewelry.
Speaker 2: Burking. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, uh, let's say they see Bill Cunningham walking down
Speaker 6: the street and some medical school student says, I want
Speaker 6: that one.
Speaker 2: What they knock you over the head and bury.
Speaker 6: You strip your body of ball it's clothes, sell your clothes,
Speaker 6: sell your jewelry. So anyway, so they chose the wrong
Speaker 6: guy here, son of a president, and the family called
Speaker 6: in Pinkertons from Chicago who came over to investigate. And
Speaker 6: lo and behold, the son of the dead man finds
Speaker 6: the body hanging in a pit at the Medical College.
Speaker 6: The Medical College of Ohio was indirectly involved in trafficking
Speaker 6: dead bodies directly.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to make directly explain that. You think
Speaker 6: we got problems today, wait an otr, we got problems. However,
Speaker 6: the Medical College which is now U see the Medical
Speaker 6: College of Ohio, would order up dead bodies to be dissected, Yes,
Speaker 6: and they paid for them, and they would then bring
Speaker 6: them and they'd drop them off. They found this guy
Speaker 6: because people reported seeing a wagon pull up at the
Speaker 6: Ohio Medical College, as it often did in the wee
Speaker 6: hours of the morning, the dark of night, and dropped
Speaker 6: off a long sheet wrapped object which looked a lot
Speaker 6: like a body.
Speaker 2: How much would they pay for these bodies?
Speaker 6: It ranged depending on this the decomposition. If they were fresh,
Speaker 6: they might get as much as twenty five dollars ten dollars.
Speaker 6: It didn't take much to buy a body in those days.
Speaker 6: And in fact, this thing got so out of hand
Speaker 6: that there were riots in many cities when people would
Speaker 6: find their loved ones on the table being dissected after
Speaker 6: they'd been ripped out of the grave, and they were
Speaker 6: burning down medical college.
Speaker 2: This happened.
Speaker 6: It was a famous riot in New York City where
Speaker 6: a man was walking down the street and the students
Speaker 6: were dissecting his recently departed wife in the front window.
Speaker 2: Why what was the reason? There had to be a reason.
Speaker 2: Did they want to find out where the kidney is,
Speaker 2: where's the stomach, where's the heart?
Speaker 6: How does the pancreas? Why would yes, all physicians do
Speaker 6: this all of the above They needed for the purpose
Speaker 6: of learning surgery. They needed to know what they'd find
Speaker 6: when they opened up the body, and they needed first
Speaker 6: hand experience. So the problem then was that nobody was
Speaker 6: donating their bodies for medical science, so they had no
Speaker 6: source of bodies. Now, you can make some justification for it,
Speaker 6: but the whole thing got completely out of control. Cincinnati
Speaker 6: was like the hub of body snatching for the whole Midwest.
Speaker 6: They found Cincinnati. Bodies had been shipped all the way
Speaker 6: to ann Arbor for the University of Michigan Medical School.
Speaker 2: Now you're worry about my family, I'm reading from the
Speaker 2: inquir Story of the eighteen seventy eight William Cunningham was
Speaker 2: a body snatcher who lived in Cincinnati, Ohio. A professional resurrectionist,
Speaker 2: Cunningham provided corpse for area physicians and medical colleges, popular
Speaker 2: popularly known as Old Cunny. Other names attributed to Cunningham
Speaker 2: include old Man Dead in the Ghoul, that he was
Speaker 2: born in Ireland, perhaps in eighteen oh seven, but came here.
Speaker 2: He was a mortician, he was a medical director. He
Speaker 2: was a funeral director, and he'd make money on the
Speaker 2: front end, the middle, in the back. Yes.
Speaker 6: And he did it all at Washington Park. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: I can picture that. You can picture William Cemetery there
Speaker 6: at one time, and that's where he would he would
Speaker 6: pay the family to bury the body. He would then
Speaker 6: and the dead of the knight he would pull them
Speaker 6: out of the ground. He had a hook system under
Speaker 6: the arms. We put the change down and pull him up,
Speaker 6: rifle through the pockets, take out some gold teeth, and
Speaker 6: then put the body next to him as he went
Speaker 6: up and down Vine Street, saying to the corpse who
Speaker 6: was dangling, say something funny, say something funny. And it
Speaker 6: was so dark there were no lights out, just a
Speaker 6: little handle light that And that's how my family got started,
Speaker 6: My body snatcher, My my family roots go deep. I
Speaker 6: guess six feet team now now to be consider this.
Speaker 2: Just look up, William Cunningham. This could be your next book.
Speaker 2: It might be, it might be another story. I was
Speaker 2: talk about my friend and yours, Stan Chesley, and that's
Speaker 2: in the book which is Magical History, Tour, Murder, Mystery
Speaker 2: and Buried History. Explain about Fenn Fenn. I had on
Speaker 2: Liz Bonus talking about the Fenn Fenn about an hour
Speaker 2: or so ago. But explain about Stan Chesley recently departed.
Speaker 2: Well rest in peace, Stan.
Speaker 6: But this was the downfall of a not only locally
Speaker 6: but nationally and world famous litigator.
Speaker 2: He was the master of disaster.
Speaker 6: He was involved in all these huge cases, you know them,
Speaker 6: the implant cases, the Hills now Beverly Hills, got to
Speaker 6: start at Beverly Hills, Vegas. And this time I guess
Speaker 6: most people would say, as you might, that he reached
Speaker 6: a little two far and he was involved in one
Speaker 6: of the most scandalous cases. In fact, at one point,
Speaker 6: the federal judge during this trial said, I would like
Speaker 6: to put all of the lawyers in jail. Really yeah,
Speaker 6: with that Bamberger he was involved with. Bamberger explained, Bamberger
Speaker 6: was the He was a bad He was a bad guy,
Speaker 6: wasn't he. Bamberger was the bad guy. He was the
Speaker 6: one who was The Wall Street journalmen they wrote an
Speaker 6: editorial about this. They said, this whole case shocks the
Speaker 6: conscience that there could be such unbelievably brazen bribery and
Speaker 6: corruption in this case. But what you had here, Bill,
Speaker 6: you know from the litigation's history that you had this
Speaker 6: jackpot of these settlements where these drug companies, this drug company,
Speaker 6: American Home Products had basically agreed to pay out unbelievable
Speaker 6: amounts without any verification that these victims were actual victims
Speaker 6: of the diet drug. So that the basically it's like
Speaker 6: throwing chum in the water, and the litigation sharks came circling.
Speaker 6: And that's when the big white, great white sharks came,
Speaker 6: and that would be Chesley, and they brought in Bamberger,
Speaker 6: who was judge. Yes, and he took twenty I think
Speaker 6: it was fifty thousand dollars for.
Speaker 2: Basically fixing the case. Let's go back in time just
Speaker 2: a little bit. Fenn. Fenn was a diet drug, yes,
Speaker 2: but it was thought to be the magic elixir, much
Speaker 2: like current ozempig. Yes, but ozempig appears to be a
Speaker 2: better drug than what fenfenn. We don't know. We'll know
Speaker 2: in ten years. Yeah, we'll no find it, just like
Speaker 2: we did with Everybody thought it was fantastics way, but
Speaker 2: it affected a heart valve or something. It did. It
Speaker 2: caused all kinds of problems.
Speaker 6: It also reduced the body's ability to even create serotonin,
Speaker 6: which is what keeps you happy. So people who had
Speaker 6: bet on this for a while lost the ability to
Speaker 6: find joy in their lives. They it wasn't something the
Speaker 6: body could repair. It was permanent damage, plus cardiopulmonary disease
Speaker 6: and all kinds of side effects. Now were they somewhat exaggerated?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, mandously exaggerated by the litigators, But nonetheless there
Speaker 6: are many, many cases of women, mainly women, who took
Speaker 6: this drug and suffered for it.
Speaker 2: So the drug there were three lawyers, I forget their names.
Speaker 2: One was a guy named Cunningham, not me. Yes, and
Speaker 2: the three of them crowd all the cases and got
Speaker 2: it before a friendly judge in northern Kentucky named Bamberger,
Speaker 2: and they felt like they were overwhelmed a little bit.
Speaker 2: How do we do this? So they brought in a
Speaker 2: master of disaster, stan Chesley. Take it from there.
Speaker 6: Well, stan Chesley came in and he was hired because
Speaker 6: he was the guy who knew how to work. He
Speaker 6: was already working with the drug companies group that was
Speaker 6: deciding who would be paid in the litigations. So here
Speaker 6: he's got a conflict. I would think most people would agree.
Speaker 6: If he's working with the drug companies to allocate settlements,
Speaker 6: how does he end up also on the plaintiff's side
Speaker 6: to get a settlement. So there's all kinds of conflicts
Speaker 6: and things going on. A little footnote would be Bill Gallion,
Speaker 6: who was the lead, one of the lead Kentucky attorneys
Speaker 6: from Lexington, big, big shot at University of Kentucky, blue
Speaker 6: blood guy. He also was pardoned by Joe Biden in
Speaker 6: the autopen pardon scandal.
Speaker 2: Really yes, so san Chesley, was it greed because this
Speaker 2: guy was companies were frightening him. You get a letter
Speaker 2: from san Chesley Pharmaceutical companies. He came up with the
Speaker 2: theories of Beverly Hills that were the fabrics themselves. Yes,
Speaker 2: gave off nations owners. No one thought about that when
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills happened and was at nineteen seventy seventy seven,
Speaker 2: and that was, okay, not much you can do. You
Speaker 2: got the building is done, got a little bit of land.
Speaker 2: But then stan came up with these novel theories of
Speaker 2: how these three m and other companies were actually creating
Speaker 2: fabric that caused the deaths. Suddenly there was one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars available and from there he was off and running.
Speaker 2: This guy, he's a fabulous personality. I had lunch and
Speaker 2: dinner with him when Mitch's house. Susan Delotte, federal judge
Speaker 2: well knected, gave a lot of money to the Clintons,
Speaker 2: got the appointment, et cetera, and they all good time.
Speaker 6: What mistake did Stan Chesley make? Well, I mean it's
Speaker 6: pretty clear here when you looked. I sat through a
Speaker 6: lot of days of this trial, and I watched the
Speaker 6: deposition that was done, uh, and it was one of
Speaker 6: the most hostile, extreme, uncomfortable depositions I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen very many, but that thing was unbelievable.
Speaker 6: If you were going to make a TV drama about
Speaker 6: the stereotypical corrupt lawyer, that's what it looked like.
Speaker 2: He was a bully.
Speaker 6: He was absolutely uncooperative, and he kind of had this
Speaker 6: attitude that the jury picked up right away, I believe,
Speaker 6: which was that I'm Stan Chesli.
Speaker 2: Don't you know who I am? And it doesn't play
Speaker 2: well in court. No, it doesn't you know who I
Speaker 2: Whenever you say to a copper, to a judge or jury,
Speaker 2: don't you know who I am? You've lost from Yes,
Speaker 2: So I think the federal judgement Bertlesman and Bamberger was
Speaker 2: the benet judge, state court judge. He was a Kentucky judge.
Speaker 6: Yes judge, Oh okay, So anyway, at one point two, the
Speaker 6: judge raised a lot of questions about how comes Stan
Speaker 6: got immunity and all these other three guys, did you
Speaker 6: know one of the guys, one of the lawyers in Kentucky.
Speaker 6: His defense, and he got off this way, was that
Speaker 6: he was too sousd to know what was going on
Speaker 6: when these clients were being ripped off.
Speaker 2: So I'm drunk. Yeah, I was an alcoholic. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got it out and you get pulled over on I
Speaker 2: seventy one? Hey, mister officer, I'm too drunk to be
Speaker 2: pulled over. What that's a true story? He said, Look, judge,
Speaker 2: I'm so drunk that jury bought it. And they bought it,
Speaker 2: So how you're not yelty?
Speaker 6: He was drinking more than one of those half gallon
Speaker 6: bottles of old Crow every day. He said, I had
Speaker 6: no idea what these other two guys were doing, and
Speaker 6: so they took pity on him.
Speaker 2: And well stan Chesley's now passed on, and he did
Speaker 2: a lot more good than bad, but this wasn't a
Speaker 2: good chapter in his life. Peter Bronson a Chili Dog Press.
Speaker 2: How to the American people for Christmas get a copy
Speaker 2: of this about the magical history Tour, Murder Mystery and
Speaker 2: Barrett History four five short stories Peter Bron's and mainly
Speaker 2: connected to Cincinnati. And how how did the American people
Speaker 2: get to copy of the book?
Speaker 6: Well, you can get that signed copies at my website
Speaker 6: which is Chili Dog Press dot com. And there's still
Speaker 6: plenty of time to order those for Christmas also available
Speaker 6: to all the local bookstores Barnes and Noble, Joseph Beth,
Speaker 6: wherever books are sold in Cincinnati, and also on Amazon.
Speaker 6: I like to support the local bookstores, but I understand
Speaker 6: a lot of people love the convenience of Amazon and
Speaker 6: the free shipping.
Speaker 2: There's this thing about Bill Cunningham, the body snatcher. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a story there. There is a great story there.
Speaker 2: I think I think we just scratched the surface. Peter Bronson,
Speaker 2: you're the best. Thanks for coming on this afternoon, you Bill.
Speaker 2: Let's continue as a pleasure. Let's continue with more news
Speaker 2: next to your home of the Bengals. And if somehow
Speaker 2: the Stealers tie to the next four games and the
Speaker 2: Bengals sweep the next four, they're in the playoffs. That's
Speaker 2: route for tie. That's route for ties with the Stealers.
Speaker 2: On news Radio seven hundred WLW. I remember Joe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hello, Bietum Skokes. I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 2: Segment of the Inchoir. Put out a long story about
Speaker 2: what the Reds did to try to get Kyle Schwarber,
Speaker 2: which was five years, one and twenty five million, a
Speaker 2: twenty five million short And I'll say this, you loved him.
Speaker 2: I love him. Never ever met him. I never met him.
Speaker 2: It seems like a nice young man, very good, Yes,
Speaker 2: good man. He's gonna turn Is it thirty three or
Speaker 2: thirty four? He's thirty one now I believe we'll check
Speaker 2: it out. But in order thirty two I think, I
Speaker 2: think thirty two or thirty. But by the time this
Speaker 2: is concluding, he'll be thirty seven. Strikes out two hundred
Speaker 2: times a year, and he doesn't play defense. But I'd
Speaker 2: take him anyway compared to him into that. You kidding.
Speaker 2: Just let him dh and just let him hit. But
Speaker 2: three times in the last quarter century, the Reds have said,
Speaker 2: let's spend big bucks. Griffy r Almost two hundred million?
Speaker 2: How did that work out? Not good? Then, Mike? How
Speaker 2: about Mike Mustakis? Does ask sixty five million? Was that
Speaker 2: was that disaster? How boutch of Mark Candelaria? Forty five disaster?
Speaker 2: So he took me about show hey or what's his name? Aki?
Speaker 7: Or what the Japanese guy they got a few years
Speaker 7: ago that turned out to be nothing? One time he's
Speaker 7: back over in Japan. He played center field, the left hander. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but the Reds have put out two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, three hundred million dollars and got nothing to
Speaker 7: Griffy Junior, Mustakas and Candelaria.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, you know what, what the hell? But
Speaker 2: do you pay him one hundred and fifty million dollars
Speaker 2: over five years? What do you say?
Speaker 7: Well, they said that, I guess the thing that knocked
Speaker 7: it into the Phillies.
Speaker 2: I don't know Willie. Maybe he didn't.
Speaker 7: He didn't want to leave Philadelphia, and they said that
Speaker 7: they guaranteed that fifth year, and that's what kind of
Speaker 7: jump started him to go to Philadelphia. So Red's made
Speaker 7: and the Oriel made him the same as offered him
Speaker 7: the same money as Philadelphia did.
Speaker 2: He he turns He was born March fifth, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: so he turns thirty three years old in March.
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Speaker 2: So he got more of a deal. He got a
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Speaker 2: Yes or no? Yes, go ahead? Bengals update.
Speaker 7: Let's see the Bengals today signing wide receiver Xavier Johnson
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Speaker 7: Cincinnati navid native, and he started Summit Country Day defensive
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Speaker 7: He played, He gave it all in the field of honor.
Speaker 7: Back to the Reds. They are considering maybe trading for
Speaker 7: Kettle Marte or Brandon Low.
Speaker 2: Eh So, I don't know Brandon Low. He's Kettle Marte.
Speaker 7: He's Kettle Marte is with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: Is you any good? I think so? See what else?
Speaker 2: I'm still angry about this Swarmer situation. So you're saying
Speaker 2: it was only a mere thirty million dollars five million
Speaker 2: a year plus the fifth year, it was only a
Speaker 2: thirty million?
Speaker 6: Is that what I'm saying? Only thirty million? Rights that
Speaker 6: a lot of money.
Speaker 2: To you right now? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe not to you or a Rocky. There's a
Speaker 7: lot of money to me.
Speaker 2: I'm a hard one, seg I'm the voice of the
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Speaker 2: of the remaining three after they tie and tie one
Speaker 2: of the next two after that, the Bengals are in.
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Speaker 2: No you second list, get back to the commercials. Okay,
Speaker 2: give me out of the stuture. By the way, we
Speaker 2: have Carrie Severino coming up after two o'clock, and then
Speaker 2: tomorrow allegedly Jackson Trumpy will be here.
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Speaker 2: Always could be with you, Bill, See you later, Mike
Speaker 2: Dawine on news radio seven hundred w L Bill Cunningham,
Speaker 2: The Great America. One of the great conservative attorneys in
Speaker 2: America is Carrie Severino. Unfortunately she has a law degreeted
Speaker 2: from Harvard, which is was a great universe, Not so
Speaker 2: much anymore. I'm not sure. She also was a law
Speaker 2: clerk to the great Justice Clarence Thomas, and she was
Speaker 2: instrumental and getting Amy Coney Barrett and Brett cavanall both
Speaker 2: affirmed by the United States Senate. Wrote a book with
Speaker 2: my good friend Molly Hemingway on justice, on trial, the
Speaker 2: Kavanaugh confirmation, and the future of the US Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: and so much more. So once again, Carrie Severina, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Bill Cunningham Show. First of all, Kerry, tell
Speaker 2: us about this campaign finance case. We then have the
Speaker 2: tariffs case. We then have the Administrative state case, We
Speaker 2: then have the fourteenth Amendent case, so much more. First
Speaker 2: of all, what's before the US Supreme Court and the
Speaker 2: campaign finance matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this has to do with an aspect of campaign
Speaker 4: finance law that says that party committees cannot coordinate certain
Speaker 4: expenditures with a candidate. And what's going on here is
Speaker 4: a challenge saying, Okay, years ago, when some of these
Speaker 4: campaign finance laws are put in place, there was a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff in them that in fact doesn't comport
Speaker 4: with the First Amendment. It's limiting people's First Amendment rights
Speaker 4: to particularly political speech. And the Court piece by piece
Speaker 4: has been kind of addressing this over the last decades.
Speaker 4: And if you look at it in light of today's
Speaker 4: understanding of free speech, this doesn't this just limitation doesn't
Speaker 4: make any sense because the only thing that the Court
Speaker 4: said you can limit political speech for is to avoid bribery,
Speaker 4: quid pro quo corruption with I give your campaign money
Speaker 4: and you do something for me, and that's just simply
Speaker 4: not a threat. When you're talking about coordination with a
Speaker 4: Republican Senatorial committee, for example, which is are the litigants
Speaker 4: in this case.
Speaker 2: Kerry Severino, Explain to the American people, why why is
Speaker 2: money free speech? Because many people think there's too much money.
Speaker 2: I don't let everybody talks my viewpoint, but American the
Speaker 2: Democrats want to limit it, and the Republicans certainly want
Speaker 2: to have unlimited Why why is money equal to free speech?
Speaker 2: Explain that to the American people.
Speaker 4: Well, look, in today's world, we're not campaigning by standing
Speaker 4: on a soapbox somewhere. And even if you were, someone's
Speaker 4: got to pay for that soatbox. You know, in order
Speaker 4: to be able to broadcast your message, you need to
Speaker 4: be able to pay for ads, to pay to get
Speaker 4: to different places in the country to give those speeches.
Speaker 4: And for someone it's not just the speech of the candidate,
Speaker 4: it is the speech of the person. If I want
Speaker 4: to support that can and speak in favor of that candidate,
Speaker 4: do I have to run my own ads? No, I'd
Speaker 4: like to donate to someone who can help run those ads,
Speaker 4: and that's that is my speech as a donor as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I agree it can be really frustrating the
Speaker 4: amount of money and politics how expensive that is. However,
Speaker 4: if we're going to have a republican democratic, democratic republic
Speaker 4: where we can communicate and have the American people weighing
Speaker 4: in on these things, they do need some way of
Speaker 4: getting that information, and unfortunately that's going to cost some money.
Speaker 4: And the bottom line is, even if it were if
Speaker 4: we think it's better to not have that kind of speech,
Speaker 4: well great, you just have to go back and amend
Speaker 4: the Constitution to do that. And if we could get
Speaker 4: a coalition across people to say, hey, we're going to
Speaker 4: limit it, fine, we can do that. But as it
Speaker 4: stands right now, the First Amendment does protect speech. We
Speaker 4: know the framers, particularly of all types of speech. They
Speaker 4: wanted to make sure we protected political speech, and so
Speaker 4: I think that's why I expect the court to be
Speaker 4: very protective of that in this NRSC case.
Speaker 2: Kerrie Sevareen, I want to pick your mind on this
Speaker 2: fourteenth Amendment issue. When it was passed in the eighteen
Speaker 2: late eighteenth maybe it was eighteen sixty eight after the
Speaker 2: Civil War, everyone intended it to include the slaves that
Speaker 2: the Democrats held in bond each for like one hundred
Speaker 2: and two hundred years, and the Republicans fought to free.
Speaker 2: That's a different issue. And all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: fourteenth a membo of the past one hundred and sixty years,
Speaker 2: has morphed into something different that if you're born in
Speaker 2: this country, you're automatically a citizen. Where do you stand
Speaker 2: on the fourteenth Amendment? Automatic automatic citizenship for those born
Speaker 2: here even though their parents are here illegally.
Speaker 4: So I think this is something where originalism means it's
Speaker 4: a tougher question. Then again, just what do we think
Speaker 4: is a good system today?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 4: Our immigration system looks a whole lot different, doesn't it
Speaker 4: than it did in eighteen sixty five? You know, our
Speaker 4: social services look a lot different. It used to be.
Speaker 4: You came here, First of all, you'd have to show
Speaker 4: that you actually could support yourself, and second of all,
Speaker 4: if you couldn't, you're not going to have the type
Speaker 4: of incredibly involved social services where you're going to get
Speaker 4: the education and the food and the everything else. So
Speaker 4: it's a different cost benefit analysis so definitely things have changed.
Speaker 4: The question is what did the Constitution mean? And that's
Speaker 4: really a question for historians. So that's where I think
Speaker 4: the briefing in this case is going to be important,
Speaker 4: because we can debate all day long what is the
Speaker 4: best system, But again, sometimes that might mean going back
Speaker 4: and saying, Okay, we need to amend this to clarify it. Well,
Speaker 4: as you said, the one thing we know for sure
Speaker 4: it was supposed to cover was the freed slaves, Absolutely right,
Speaker 4: But I think there's wrinkles about Okay, you know, we
Speaker 4: also know it's not supposed to cover say, an invading
Speaker 4: army or children of people who are here in a
Speaker 4: diplomatic mission or something. But there's a lot of gray
Speaker 4: area in between that we've historically been allowing the birth
Speaker 4: right citizenship we have now, but that isn't spoken to
Speaker 4: directly by the words, and so I think that's where
Speaker 4: we're going to have to look and see as the
Speaker 4: court drills down and says historically what was really understood
Speaker 4: in eighteen sixty five by that language.
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that those who drafted the
Speaker 2: fourteenth Amendment did not take into account fifteen or twenty
Speaker 2: million illegals, many having children inside that they did not
Speaker 2: think about that when they drafted the fourteenth Amendment.
Speaker 4: It's hard to imagine how they could have right a
Speaker 4: very different situation. That's one of the challenges with interpreting
Speaker 4: our constitution is going, Okay, you know, they could just
Speaker 4: like search and seizure. They couldn't have imagined cell phones
Speaker 4: and what do we do with cell phone records? So
Speaker 4: the court is tasked with trying to interpret this language
Speaker 4: in light of some of these the changed realities of
Speaker 4: the chaise's world.
Speaker 2: So if the court that you've studied your entire life
Speaker 2: says it's up to the electoral process, the fourteenth Amendment
Speaker 2: could be amended because it takes two thirds of the House,
Speaker 2: two thirds of the Senate, three fourths of the states,
Speaker 2: the Democrats would never support that. Therefore, the fourteenth Amendment
Speaker 2: will not be amended. Therefore the status quo will be maintained.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Well, assuming that that was true, But I have to say,
Speaker 4: I think we've seen a shift on this over the
Speaker 4: last few years because people had become so concerned on
Speaker 4: both parties of the number of people streaming across the border.
Speaker 4: So I don't think we can guarantee that that lineup
Speaker 4: is you know, forever. There's no way this ever gets changed,
Speaker 4: I really think. But again, we also don't even know
Speaker 4: the ultimate answer on the historical question yet, so that
Speaker 4: might be putting the cart before the horse.
Speaker 2: Carrie Severino, the Judicial Crisis Network. Let's talk about the
Speaker 2: administrative state that Democrats love, the administrative state, unelected bureaucrats.
Speaker 2: And I guess the argument is, we have an elected president,
Speaker 2: we have an unelected bureaucratic state making decisions that may
Speaker 2: be against what the American people want. So on one hand,
Speaker 2: you have the growth of the administrative state, especially the
Speaker 2: last fifteen or twenty years, that has taken over the
Speaker 2: rule of law in this country, all unelected. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, we elected a president, Donald Trump. Does Donald
Speaker 2: Trump have the power to discharge someone in the administrative
Speaker 2: state or it could be someone really important, like setting
Speaker 2: interest rates without cause simply because she's unelected. So should
Speaker 2: an unelected bureaucrat trump an elected president.
Speaker 4: Well, when you put it that way, right, it sounds
Speaker 4: pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously we have no question about when a new president
Speaker 4: comes in, does he get to change out the Secretary
Speaker 4: of State? Of course, does he get to change out
Speaker 4: the secretary, of course, so we understand that personnelis policy.
Speaker 4: If you can't change the heads of these major agencies,
Speaker 4: then how are you going to have the policy that
Speaker 4: the American people just elected in a new president come
Speaker 4: into effect. The problem is we've created over the last
Speaker 4: ninety years, at least since this case that was being
Speaker 4: reconsidered now a state, there were people call these agencies independent,
Speaker 4: and that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of frightening.
Speaker 4: Independent of who, independent of the president and the legislature
Speaker 4: and the judiciary, you have a free floating, you know,
Speaker 4: horde of a thousands of people working for something that
Speaker 4: doesn't really fit comfortably in our constitutional system. This is
Speaker 4: not the three structures of the triparte governments that we
Speaker 4: all learned about in civics class or in schoolhouse rock.
Speaker 4: So I think this is a great step that the
Speaker 4: Court is coming back and looking at this. It's actually
Speaker 4: something they've been looking at and questioning the wisdom of
Speaker 4: for the last you know, several years, because we started
Speaker 4: to recognize how important those structural limits are and how
Speaker 4: far our current system has strayed. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of talk during arguments about just
Speaker 4: the sort of more I think they aren't you going
Speaker 4: to just totally upend the structure of government. And the
Speaker 4: bottom line is, if our structure of government is that
Speaker 4: far outside the constitution, then heck, yeah, we're we're going
Speaker 4: to upend all of that unconstitutional stuff. Take out those
Speaker 4: weeds so we can get back to what the constitution
Speaker 4: actually said. And if you're saying that's a night and
Speaker 4: day difference between the government we have now in the
Speaker 4: constitutional system, then that's all the more reason we need
Speaker 4: to get to work.
Speaker 2: Kerrie Savarino. It's called the fourth branch of government, which
Speaker 2: is the administrative state, the irs, etc.
Speaker 6: The Federal Reserve, all that stuff. There's tens of thousands
Speaker 6: that have can only be fired with cause, and that
Speaker 6: is something put in by the Congress so Congress can
Speaker 6: control the president. In this case the Federal Reserve, the
Speaker 6: president got sideways. One of the governors goes of our
Speaker 6: mortgage rate. I guess misrepresentations, and the president says, I
Speaker 6: want her to go, but her term wasn't up. Congress
Speaker 6: said it, well, it must be for cause. So I
Speaker 6: guess the issue is if the administrative state is the
Speaker 6: fourth branch of government, where does that exist in the constitution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the fourth branch is clearly not in the constitution.
Speaker 4: Now the Federal Reserve is going to be another sticky issue.
Speaker 4: The case we just heard argued was about the Federal
Speaker 4: Trade Commission, and I think that one is clearly going
Speaker 4: They're clearly going to say, hey, the president, if it's
Speaker 4: not there's no such thing as an agency that's existing
Speaker 4: in limbo here. If this is an executive agency, the
Speaker 4: head of the executive branch, that is, the president, has
Speaker 4: to have control over it. I do think from the
Speaker 4: way oral arguments went that there's been some suggestion, including
Speaker 4: on behalf of the president's lawyer, saying, Okay, the Federal
Speaker 4: Reserve is a little bit different, and they're going to
Speaker 4: argue that case. And I think that probably is going
Speaker 4: to come down more to whether this is really for
Speaker 4: cause or not, and if it's not for cause, they're
Speaker 4: going to open up a whole new can of worms.
Speaker 4: Because the Federal Reserve is going to be it still
Speaker 4: might end up that the president has controlled of it.
Speaker 4: I don't know where the court land on it, but
Speaker 4: it's going to be a slightly different question than the
Speaker 4: all of the other independent agencies because it's just a
Speaker 4: different beast.
Speaker 2: Isn't cause a subjective term. One person's cause is another
Speaker 2: person's irrelevancy. Really, if I think the female governor one
Speaker 2: of the Federal Reserve was a more conservative person, the
Speaker 2: president would say that there's no cause. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: if you want to get rid of somebody, there is cause.
Speaker 2: You have to find something. And so the arc form
Speaker 2: is for cause. Who determines what is cause?
Speaker 4: Well, that's where the court has to come back. And
Speaker 4: if you said for cause because she's wearing white shoes
Speaker 4: after Labor Day and I can't abide by that, you
Speaker 4: know the courts are going to say, Okay, no, that's
Speaker 4: not sufficient. So there's a whole body of case law
Speaker 4: and what kinds of things you can include is for cause?
Speaker 4: Otherwise you're right, it would just be a blank check
Speaker 4: and it doesn't really mean anything. So so I think
Speaker 4: the question is going to be whether when you have
Speaker 4: someone who's in a position of financial trust, like being
Speaker 4: on the Federal Reserve, that that type of more misstatements
Speaker 4: in her mortgage applications is going to qualify that's sufficiently
Speaker 4: similar to the kind of work she's doing at the
Speaker 4: fed that this would qualify his cause. And I think
Speaker 4: that those arguments are going to be held in January.
Speaker 4: We're going to find out where the court stands.
Speaker 2: On that, all right, Kerrie. Lastly, Carrie Severine, I love
Speaker 2: picking your mind tariff's legality or not. The President has
Speaker 2: hanged his hat on the issue of tariffs. They're quick,
Speaker 2: they're effective, It's raised hundreds of billions of dollars. Supposedly,
Speaker 2: it may impact inflation down the road at some point.
Speaker 2: Presidents said a day or two ago that Europe's going
Speaker 2: to impost tariffs on China. China is going to impost
Speaker 2: tariffs on Europe if I have to wait for the
Speaker 2: Congress to enact something that's going to be impossible as
Speaker 2: a consequence. Give me your crystal ball, Carrie Severino. On
Speaker 2: tariffs legal or not under the Constitution.
Speaker 4: I think the way that those arguments went, I suspect
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court is going to say that the President
Speaker 4: is taking this tariff power too far because and what
Speaker 4: they're concerned about is not just what's happening today and
Speaker 4: what President Trump's doing, but if you let declaring an
Speaker 4: emergency be considered incredibly broadly, the next Democrat president can say, well,
Speaker 4: it's a climate crisis, and that's an emergency, and I'm
Speaker 4: going to put one thousand percent taxes on everything made
Speaker 4: with petroleum products. You can't have language that is so
Speaker 4: broad that it becomes meaningless. And so I think the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court struggling with how do we make sure this
Speaker 4: language isn't a complete blank check of a meaningless term
Speaker 4: that any president can just do whatever they want with
Speaker 4: the tariff power. That makes me think they're going to
Speaker 4: probably want to limit this. That means limiting it for
Speaker 4: President Trump, but that also is going to mean limiting
Speaker 4: it for future Democratic presidents as well. Honestly, well, we
Speaker 4: only find out when they come out with the argument.
Speaker 2: About a minute remaining that trump'ster claims is going to
Speaker 2: be a financial crisis if he doesn't have the ability.
Speaker 2: I know, the Costco and others are suing the president
Speaker 2: for billions of dollars they get the money back, And
Speaker 2: one of the questions of one of the justices was, well,
Speaker 2: what happens if we go with your viewpoint and the
Speaker 2: president considers what if we say a tariff is like
Speaker 2: a tax, and the tax is only raised or lowered
Speaker 2: by the Congress, what if there's economic crisis causing a
Speaker 2: great depression to the Supreme Court justices, you know so well,
Speaker 2: would they react to the practicalities of a crisis that
Speaker 2: their order would create.
Speaker 4: I think the challenge is at this point you've got
Speaker 4: both sides saying there's going to be a crisis. If
Speaker 4: we did have a depression level event, then I think
Speaker 4: your president would have a much easier time saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a clear emergency, and you might you might
Speaker 4: have a Supreme Court that is more sympathetic. But I
Speaker 4: think at this point it's challenging because both sides are
Speaker 4: going to say are telling you the sky's falling, and
Speaker 4: they can't both be right. So the Supreme Court's job,
Speaker 4: they're not really economists at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: to determine who's who's predictions about the markets are correct.
Speaker 4: They're having to look at what are the legal terms here,
Speaker 4: and you know, sometimes that might mean that the guy
Speaker 4: who is making all the correct economic predictions doesn't have
Speaker 4: the legal grounds. Nonetheless, one of our problems in our
Speaker 4: country right now is Congress is not doing what it
Speaker 4: should be in many cases in terms of passing bills.
Speaker 4: You've gotten some good ones passed recently, but for the
Speaker 4: buy and large, we need them to be actually taking
Speaker 4: the reins and doing the legislating and rather than just
Speaker 4: leaving it to presidents. So they need to actually be working.
Speaker 2: Get out to your crystal ball, Carrie Severino. You know
Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas quite well. He wrote a great book a
Speaker 2: few years back. It's one of my great guests. Love.
Speaker 2: I love the life and Times of Clarence Thomas. How
Speaker 2: cognizant is he of the biological clock? Father time is undefeated, untied,
Speaker 2: unscored on and come next summer will there be pressure
Speaker 2: on him to step down so this president can appoint
Speaker 2: someone with the same philosophy.
Speaker 4: You know, people are always asking these questions, and I
Speaker 4: think people make a very different analysis for their own
Speaker 4: selves than they do if you're just looking at the strategy.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's the fundamental thing. And you
Speaker 4: even heard President Trump recently just say, you know, these
Speaker 4: are great justices, and honestly they're both kind of living
Speaker 4: their best lives. Justice Thomas and Justice Alito, who's the
Speaker 4: other one that gets talked about a lot. I haven't
Speaker 4: heard him say anything about plans to retire, But you
Speaker 4: know your guess is as good as mine. Stay tuned.
Speaker 2: Well. I hope he serves along, Hope he never dies.
Speaker 2: Hope he's like Methuselah. Hope he lives nine hundred years.
Speaker 2: It's unlikely, but we need to keep the court in
Speaker 2: our hands because God knows at times that people get
Speaker 2: it wrong all the time, and the Court's there is
Speaker 2: a stallwarts for individual freedom and rights. So in the
Speaker 2: campaign finance, you think you're in good shape. Tariff's lawyer,
Speaker 2: legality not so good to shape, Administrative state good shape.
Speaker 2: Fourteenth Amendment not so good a shape. Do I have
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 4: Well? I feel the last one's a little hard to
Speaker 4: predict until I hear the arguments on the fourteenth Amendment.
Speaker 4: I don't really know where we're going, but I think
Speaker 4: your other estimates. That's that's the bottom.
Speaker 2: Line, all right, Carrie Savarina, you're the best of this.
Speaker 2: May God bless you and God bless America. Carrie, Thank
Speaker 2: you very much, God bless you all. Let's continue with
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Speaker 5: Hello, Yet I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 2: And I rock. I'm glad you're here to defend Notre
Speaker 2: Dame because the ads are going after yesterday. They're going
Speaker 2: after Notre Dame. Because you think you are. If you
Speaker 2: think you're so big, join a conference like the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: Play some real football games, not against Stanford, not against
Speaker 2: a bunch of sisters of the poor.
Speaker 5: Play.
Speaker 8: We basically play an a that's well, that's not very good.
Speaker 2: They could be year to year. Usually they're pretty good.
Speaker 2: But then you play you play like, uh, North Carolina State.
Speaker 2: You might play a Stanford. No, you don't play well,
Speaker 2: there's no US school teams that Notreame places. You got
Speaker 2: a big wake Forest game coming up Wake Forest. No,
Speaker 2: I mean they're in the ACC so they know you
Speaker 2: play around. I'd say, joined the Big Ten? Who do
Speaker 2: you think you are? Yeah, the other edias are saying,
Speaker 2: once again, who do you think you are?
Speaker 8: Notre Dame doesn't feel like splitting the money. Remember last
Speaker 8: year they go, they go the National Championship Game. How
Speaker 8: many other schools within their conference data to split the
Speaker 8: money with zero? That's all exactly, And the NBC deal
Speaker 8: that pays them as much as any conference.
Speaker 2: Catholics care about money, gambling and beer, Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Pretty important stuff. Yes, So the Notre Dame would have
Speaker 2: gotten five million dollars. Now they get nothing, and you'll
Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, yeah, five million dollars. I mean they're
Speaker 2: got a nineteen billion dollar endowment. How much nineteen billion?
Speaker 2: So say, okay, say it was three going to a
Speaker 2: three million to play in that ball.
Speaker 8: It's gonna cost a million to you know, for travel
Speaker 8: and odd stuff.
Speaker 2: So how does you see do against the base. It's
Speaker 2: not going to be noted.
Speaker 8: Everyone's like, oh, we get the last chance. The fans
Speaker 8: will see that the twenty twenty five fighting Iris. No,
Speaker 8: it'll be there'll be twelve guys that you know that
Speaker 8: are going to declare for the drafts. Remember a couple
Speaker 8: of years ago in Florida State, they finished thirteen to.
Speaker 2: Oh and then they were angry. They didn't get to go.
Speaker 8: Right, so a lot of them opted out and they
Speaker 8: got absolutely destroyed by Georgia and that kind of set
Speaker 8: off a chain reaction of let's call it mediocrity ball games.
Speaker 2: Right, ball games are.
Speaker 8: Done, you can tractually obligated to say that the Bulls
Speaker 8: are a great.
Speaker 2: Thing, they're wonderful. The Toilet Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, the
Speaker 2: Bowl Ring, I don't know, Liberty Bowl, I'm taking Navy,
Speaker 2: I mean it. I mean those are all kind of
Speaker 2: like side show things.
Speaker 8: Bulls originated back when college football was more regional and
Speaker 8: you weren't traveling over place.
Speaker 2: Say let's let's meet up here and let's play in a.
Speaker 8: Bowl game in Southern it'd be great and fans to
Speaker 8: finally get to get a chance to see you.
Speaker 2: But it's just a different world. Now, say give me
Speaker 2: in a stuite report because we have to get back
Speaker 2: to the commercials as soon as possible.
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Speaker 7: could feel in Cincinnati, colwayomagair at one eight eight eight
Speaker 7: nine ninety six h v A c Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: That I played BYU would have been the Mormons versus
Speaker 2: the Catholics, and Joe Frederick would have made a boatload
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 8: Speaking of I'm glad you mentioned that Mormon. How did
Speaker 8: how did BYU join the Big twelve? How'd that work
Speaker 8: out for him?
Speaker 2: They did? They all of a sudden, go to the stratosphere,
Speaker 2: and they don't like the Mormons anymore.
Speaker 8: They like the Cat I'm saying, everyone's saying, notre dames,
Speaker 8: you'd join the conference by conference?
Speaker 2: Are are they in the college football playoff? Does that
Speaker 2: work out so well for him? Who is b Yu play?
Speaker 8: I don't know they play. They play in the Big twelves.
Speaker 8: They played Big twelve teams. They played Texas Tech, they
Speaker 8: played play in the bowl game. They go into a
Speaker 8: bowl game.
Speaker 2: Not sure, they played Texas Tech and a championship. I
Speaker 2: don't know where they go for the.
Speaker 8: You know they play Iowa State and Kansas State, and
Speaker 8: you know it's big twelve teams.
Speaker 2: Baylor, I mean a Mormon's big hitters or Mormons like Violet.
Speaker 2: I don't think Mormons. I watched that show. Bearcat fans
Speaker 2: don't like them.
Speaker 8: I love more American Primeval and the Mormons were some
Speaker 8: bad dudes, and bring him young back in the day.
Speaker 2: Bring the pop Tart Bowl? What is that the pop
Speaker 2: Tart bull? The giant pop Tarts are walking around the
Speaker 2: play Are they're going to say all that?
Speaker 8: Well, they're gonna play, but the question is how many
Speaker 8: of their players are going to play in the game.
Speaker 2: Don't know there's top guys are Mormons? I love Mormons?
Speaker 2: Please continue? Well, Bengals up.
Speaker 7: They brought to you by uh, let's see, somebody sure
Speaker 7: I about the liquor?
Speaker 2: Place to find the paper? Tequila makes her clothes fall off.
Speaker 7: That's a country brought to you by good spirits, wanted
Speaker 7: tobacco and party town.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 7: The Bengals have assigned wide receiver Xavier Johnson to the
Speaker 7: practice squad, first year player out of Ohio state since
Speaker 7: any native attended Summit Country Day. Chamar Stewart is back
Speaker 7: at practice.
Speaker 2: About that Rock.
Speaker 7: Shamar has since mid November with a knee injury t
Speaker 7: Haagen knee limited.
Speaker 8: Need him to work the workout, need him to have
Speaker 8: a last four games?
Speaker 2: Here? Just kids, Jamar Stewart, Are you kidding me? So
Speaker 2: we need He's got bertanidis, bert and iis bertanitis. Red's update.
Speaker 2: Get the latest on the winter meetings tonight?
Speaker 7: Well he stove league at six oh five here on
Speaker 7: seven hundred WLW do.
Speaker 2: You defend the Reds at all Rock? They offered five years,
Speaker 2: twenty million year and our twenty five. They offered twenty
Speaker 2: five million dollars less than the Phillies twenty five million.
Speaker 8: Less in baseball terms these days. Is that a lot
Speaker 8: of money, a little bit of money or average money.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of money to me and you, but.
Speaker 2: Not much money. Bas seg. I love you dearly, but
Speaker 2: you're not as serious.
Speaker 8: It's tough because I'm sure they sit in meetings and
Speaker 8: go how can we drive tickets sales?
Speaker 2: He was promotion. It's easy. People would show up to
Speaker 2: watch it. How about the polar bear segment? Please continue?
Speaker 7: Pete Alonzo Willie, speaking of the polar Berry leaves the
Speaker 7: Mets five year, one hundred and fifty five million dollar
Speaker 7: deal to join the Baltimore Orioles.
Speaker 2: Seg your rock, your reaction to that one?
Speaker 4: No comment?
Speaker 2: Please continue? He's making more than Swarmer.
Speaker 7: Let's see, it's sixty days until the Super Bowl. Rock
Speaker 7: is right around the corner, a hundred six days to
Speaker 7: opening day. And happy birthday the number nine, Bill Plumber
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, Please continue.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, he probably got a birthday. He's twenty nine.
Speaker 2: He's getting old. He's getting old. Does Philip Philip Rivers
Speaker 2: have a chance. He's a grandfather. He's forty four. He's
Speaker 2: a grandfatherland. I mean, I'm interested in you know, you're
Speaker 2: looking Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco. But Flacker has
Speaker 2: been playing. He hasn't played for five years. It's true,
Speaker 2: five years. It's a disaster in that five years a
Speaker 2: long time. It's a long time.
Speaker 7: The culture of the talk of the NFL until like
Speaker 7: a few weeks ago, they've they've followed on hard times.
Speaker 2: Daddy injuries, injuries, injuries. Berton Itis is when you were
Speaker 2: a high draft pick for the l s U and
Speaker 2: then you come here and we don't know why, what's
Speaker 2: the problem. What is the problem with Burton? Why can't
Speaker 2: he function as a wide receiver? He's unclaimed by nobody.
Speaker 2: Imagine if you were released by here and care is
Speaker 2: he an essay?
Speaker 8: I didn't pick you up? How would you feel about that?
Speaker 8: I talked about this with Tom Brennaman this morning. I've
Speaker 8: seen it a million times. You get guys that show
Speaker 8: you that want to play in the league. In their
Speaker 8: whole life, they've been the fastest, the biggest, the best,
Speaker 8: and you know they haven't had to put in as
Speaker 8: much work. And the guys that make it in the
Speaker 8: league are the ones that want to study the game,
Speaker 8: actually love the game and not what the game brings them.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure ever really grind it out, learning
Speaker 2: the playbook and learn the grind it out. You got
Speaker 2: to grind wide receiver, got to grind it like ozempic.
Speaker 2: Gotta grind, You gotta grind, you gotta grind, you gotta
Speaker 2: grind segment.
Speaker 8: It's crazy because you know, someone like him, with with
Speaker 8: the talent that a lot of other people would die
Speaker 8: to have, they just can't make it because they're not
Speaker 8: as physically talent, but have the will, have the they wanted,
Speaker 8: you know, the desire to study. And he didn't know
Speaker 8: what where to be called a slap in the face
Speaker 8: of those guys. He's got this golden opportunity.
Speaker 2: It's kind of yeah, oh well, I guess sixty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a week to him is no big deal. He's
Speaker 2: about to find out reality.
Speaker 8: I'm interested in this heck to see if anybody picks
Speaker 8: him up, is then they pick a flyer up on
Speaker 8: that he said unclaimed and one went through. So but
Speaker 8: Jermaine Germaine, you know.
Speaker 2: Maybe'll go to the UFL.
Speaker 8: But he was I mean, he was a red flag
Speaker 8: before the draft, and I know the Bengals felt they
Speaker 8: stole a guy that had kind of first round talent
Speaker 8: get him in the third.
Speaker 2: Over all, right, And and I said, what you want
Speaker 2: about Zach Taylor.
Speaker 8: I think he does a good job of, you know,
Speaker 8: building culture and and doing all that.
Speaker 2: And even he couldn't get him to Jamar Chase tried
Speaker 2: like crazy because you know they're built the same they
Speaker 2: you know, it's the same building, everything, same talent. One
Speaker 2: is all time great. The other guy can't get on
Speaker 2: the field. It's all about what's between.
Speaker 8: Wolves, football and the other loves of segment is not
Speaker 8: as easy as I make it.
Speaker 2: Look. I know where you're coming from. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you're not a serious person. Okay, thank him? All right, Rock?
Speaker 2: What's on the big show today? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: have no idea. Well, do you have your right?
Speaker 8: I get we got Dan Monk Kroger is telling folks
Speaker 8: after first of the year, everybody's got to come back,
Speaker 8: no more remote work back in the building. I would
Speaker 8: hope that would have happened before this. Rodney McMullin would
Speaker 8: have had him back quicker. Yeah, ending their work remote
Speaker 8: work arrangements in January, and I guess they got a
Speaker 8: new uh Kruger is a new delivery strategy involving.
Speaker 2: I always buy from I love Kroger. I buy from
Speaker 2: West Barney.
Speaker 8: And then see at four o'clock we have our Glenn Clark,
Speaker 8: who's our Ravens guys, the Glen Clark radio show, talk
Speaker 8: about the big game this weekend, and then you're joining
Speaker 8: us at five o'clock.
Speaker 2: Got cold as the well Diggers behind today. It's going
Speaker 2: to be cold on Sunday. But they just beat the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Get the same playbook out, repeat the same and then
Speaker 2: do it again. Beat them and if the Steelers lose
Speaker 2: to the Dolphins, then have a two ties in the
Speaker 2: last three games and the Bengals sweep out, they get
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Very simple, it's very simple segment. Let's
Speaker 2: get back to the commercials. Give me out of the
Speaker 2: student's report.
Speaker 7: Will he and honor of a cold and rainy day
Speaker 7: here in the tri State. We leave you with the
Speaker 7: immortal words of the stood report.
Speaker 2: Kid, don't get too high when it's great, it don't
Speaker 2: get too low when it's back. Am I miss that guy?
Speaker 2: Thank you, cowboy? I miss him and Tommy back at
Speaker 2: it Rock. Good luck to you, thank you. Notre Dame
Speaker 2: is too big for your breitches on seven hundred Ald