1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Hey, John, all of this AI and technology, it's making 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: a mess out of my eight track and reel to reel. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 2: I'm so confused. I don't know what to do. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: Oh, eight tracks. What I loved about eight tracks the 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: two things. And you had an eight track cassette in 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: your cary had an eight track, but you also had 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: to have a book of matches. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: Why because that little triangle. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: That shape that it made, you could put it in 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: there and move the eight track up or down because 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: the tracks never never aligned right. And two I love 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: the eight track because it looped, so when a song 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: went too long, they would fade it out and then 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: pop it back up when it switched over to the 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: next click. It was it was great, It was great. Hey, 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm John Keldrek. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: What was that? The chunk chunk, the kok chunk? 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Imagine trying to explain an eight track cassette to a 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: kid today. Well, it had a limited number of songs, 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: and you couldn't go right to the song you wanted. 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: You had to play it all the way. But to 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: make that easier, you could jump ahead. They split it 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: into four sections. That's why they called it an eight track. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: What Well, because I had four stereo things. What and 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: to top off, it sounded bad about on the right side. 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: It sounded bad and it would always you could move 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: it and it would move out in and out of 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: out of songs to another track. Oh, it was a 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: glorious day. Too bad, we don't still have that technology. 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: I'm John Caldera. So on your ballot if you live 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: in Denver is a proposition called three one zero three ten. 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: I get very excited about this because I don't smoke. 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't smoke, I don't vape, I don't do tobacco, 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't do pot. I do scotch, and not enough 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: of it. A while back, our elites in Denver decided 36 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: to outlaw flavored nicotine products and flavored tobacco. What does 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: that mean? Well, he doing it for the kids. It 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: means that you cannot get your Swisher sweet cigar. Yeah, 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: Swiss or Sweet cigar is now contraband in Denver. Well, 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: it soon will be a bunch of vape shop tobacco 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: shop owners who are going to get ruined by this 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: have decided to put something on the ballot through the 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: initiative process to undo this bit of elitism. What concerns 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: me is that this band has support from the nanny 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: left and the nanny right, even though kids can't buy 46 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: any of these products. So I thought i'd invite a 47 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: couple of the shop owners on. Kristin Hansel is the 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: owner of a place called Rusties Vape and Smoke Shop, 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: and Phil Garin, if I have that correct has mixed 50 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: up creations. 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: Welcome guys. I'm glad to have both of you on. 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I tell you what we'll see if we can keep 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: this conversation on track. Let me start by Phil. I 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: haven't talked to Phil. I've talked to Christen before. 55 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: Phil. 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: Good morning, Thank you. What is the store that you own? 57 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: Good morning, John, and thanks for having us on this 58 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: beautiful morning. Well we I'm a lifelong I was born 59 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: in Denver, lifelong resident, and I don't like the track 60 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: that our city's been on and pretty much probably the 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: last decade. And this is the last straw. But it's 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: I was moved to action because it's directly targeting me, 63 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: and it's it's basically blaming people like me and Kristen 64 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: or a problem that we have absolutely nothing to do with, 65 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: and it's time that we stand up. And this is 66 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: one of the few times in my life more than 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: fifty years old, and I can remember that this is 68 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: going to be a time when the voters can really 69 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: hold our government accountable. And I really feel like this 70 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: is our scific responsibility. 71 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: Well, you said that you're being held responsible for a 72 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: problem you didn't cause. 73 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: What problem is that specifically? 74 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: So according to the other side, it's it's the youth 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: vaping epidemic, which we've seen the numbers on that, by 76 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: their own numbers declined by almost two thirds in the 77 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: last just three years. And that's because of a lot 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: of things that we implemented during COVID and right before COVID, 79 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: and now they're actually working. 80 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: But just to be clear, I just want to make clear, 81 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: this is about kids having flavored nicotine flavored, tobacco flavored 82 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: vape products. That's why the Denversity Council put in this ban. 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Phil, how many times have you 84 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: sold a vape product to a nicotine product, a tobacco 85 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: product to someone under twenty one? 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: Zero times? 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: John is zero times, because it is illegal for you 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: to sell that product to kids. 89 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: Anybody under twenty one, not just kids, anybody under twenty 90 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: one years of age. 91 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: And let me see if I got this right, I 92 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: understand that kids can get hold of some of your products. 93 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to focus it on. 94 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: A Swiss or sweet cigar because when I was a kid, 95 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: there was a law passed that every grandfather had to 96 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: smoke these. I don't know why, but that was the law, 97 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: and every grandfather had them. This law gets rid of 98 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: that flavored tobacco product that every old man had. I've here, 99 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: I haven't seen because I'm sure this never happens. But 100 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: alcohol also gets into kids' hands, and marijuana products also 101 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: gets into kids hands. Both of those things are a 102 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: danger for kids. I'm assuming the city council outlawed selling 103 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: those products to. 104 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: Adults, just like they are have. 105 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: Outlawed selling your product to adults, because they're consistent. 106 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: Am I right? 107 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: You are right? And it's bizarre. 108 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, they ban the sale. 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: They ban the sale of alcohol and marijuana to adults. 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: It's nuts, it's crazy. 111 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: No, no, no, you miss you missed my read. Let's 112 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: try this again. 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: So they outlawed your product, I'm asking, so they obviously 114 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: outlawed alcohol and marijuana, correct, And the answer is no, 115 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: they haven't outlawed alcohol. 116 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: Or oh I thought you were talking about the under. 117 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: Twenty one to under twenty one, but but to all people. 118 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: So the difference is adults can't buy your product even 119 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: though it finds its way into kids' hands. They're doing 120 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: the same for liquor stores and marijuana shops, and the answer. 121 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: Is absolutely not. 122 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: That logic would make sense. 123 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: All right, So Christy wanted to jump in. 124 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: You own a store called Rusties, and I mean, I 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: get it. Kids should not be smoking, they shouldn't be vaping, 126 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be drinking alcohol. They shouldn't be doing this, 127 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: which is why it's illegal. Why do you think you 128 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: guys are getting picked on? While the liquor stores still 129 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: can sell their product to adults and marijuana stores can 130 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: still sell their product, why are they picking on you guys. 131 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: We're not really sure. That's why it seems extra strange 132 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: and hypocritical. I would imagine they probably use alcohol products themselves, 133 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: and so you know, their white claws and strawberry margaritas 134 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: are fine, but this they're they're kind of using the 135 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: kid argument and using that to just make a blanket. 136 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: Hurry up, everyone freak out because kids are vaping and 137 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: let's just ban these products, and they're not really looking 138 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: into the whole picture of adults that use these products, 139 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: Adults that use these products to quit smoking, adults like who, 140 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: adults who just like these products. You know, if I 141 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: choose to go buy a strawberry mango vape over a 142 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: strawberry mango margarita, like I said, I should, I feel 143 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: I should be able to. 144 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so weird about this is alcohol has all 145 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: these flavored alcohols. 146 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: You mentioned white Claw and Margarita's. 147 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: There's vodkas that are peach infused. 148 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: Marijuana does the same thing. 149 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: But when you guys have tobacco like a Swiss or 150 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: suite that is a flavored tobacco, somehow. 151 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: That's evil and that's wrong. 152 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: This is this is the incan consistency of this that 153 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: just drives me nuts. 154 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 155 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: So what does three ten do. Let's go to Phil. Phil. 156 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: I know you guys, you small shop owners. We're able 157 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: to get enough signatures to get this on the ballot 158 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: and Denver voters can vote yes or no on it. 159 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: Which way do you want them to vote? And what 160 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: does it do? 161 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 3: We need the Denver voters to vote no. And what's 162 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: happened here is that for some reason. Michael Bloomberg, he's 163 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: a bully and he's using the course of power of 164 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: government to force his values on us, and we don't 165 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: want them. And we need Denver voters to be active 166 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: and step up and take control of our destiny. 167 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: John, So, voting no means that the ban goes away. 168 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: So basically you've put this the question that they voted on, 169 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: back onto the ballots. Shall we have a ban on 170 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: flavored tobacco products? And you hope people say no? 171 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: Yes? 172 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: What happens if it stays. 173 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Let's assume that this ban stays and adults, I want 174 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: to make it very clear, it's already illegal for kids 175 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: to buy your product. Let's assume the ban stays in 176 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: effect and adults can no longer buy Swiss or sweets 177 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: in Denver, or flavored nicotine products. 178 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: What happens to your stores. 179 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: We will essentially shudder, and it will be the same 180 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: for at least one hundred businesses inside the city of Denver. 181 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: This impacts over five hundred businesses in the city of Denver, 182 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: which I think is massive, and I don't understand whether 183 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: it's not a much stronger just movement and push behind us. 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: We've been mischaracterized as big tobacco. And you know, we 185 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: started this and we are not big tobacco. Go and 186 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: we do not have the resources the big tobacco. So 187 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: we're really expecting this to you know, people to really 188 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: get behind us, and people like you, John that really champion, 189 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: you know, for the rights of adults, and we appreciate 190 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: this opportunity and helping us get this message out because 191 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: we are not big tobacco. And actually what we're doing 192 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: is we're advocating the adults use responsible products and make 193 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: better choices for themselves. And if you want to flavor 194 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: John and you're responsible, there's no reason that you should 195 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: not have that. So we really the one thing about this, 196 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: the biggest impact is going to be the jobs, thousands 197 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: of jobs, and they're talking about the health and well 198 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: being the kids. One of my employees' fourteen year old daughters, 199 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: I just saw her on Friday, said to me that 200 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: she doesn't want her mom to lose her job. And 201 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: so they're doing this to protect the kids, and they're 202 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: not thinking about the thousands of kids that this is 203 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: going to impact immediately. 204 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: That's a great point. I hadn't even really thought about 205 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: it that. 206 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Which is this is for the kids, but the law 207 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: doesn't affect the kids. 208 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: This is the first one just drives me nuts. 209 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: Secondly, when mom and dad are out of a business, 210 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: it's not good for those kids. It's going to hurt 211 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: their children. Your opponents have a issue committee. It's like 212 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: for the kids or kids off tobacco or something like that. 213 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: They have the word kids in it, and I. 214 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: Took a look and lo and behold, none of the 215 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: people on their committee are children. 216 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: They're all a bunch of adults. 217 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: And this law should it stand says, adults shall join 218 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: children in not being able to buy this product. In 219 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: other words, not only should it be illegal for kids, 220 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: but it should be illegal for adults too. This has nothing. 221 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: This law has nothing to do with kids. The title 222 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: of their program their committee makes no sense because it's 223 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: already illegal to sell this product to kids. It's all 224 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: about denying adults the ability to buy flavored tobacco products, 225 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: and that just it. It infuriates me because of the inconsistency. 226 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: It infuriates me because adults should be able to be 227 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: treated like adults. And then I think about it from 228 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: a tax point of view, this city is going broke 229 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: and so let's put these businesses out of business and 230 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: lose the sales tax revenue. How much do you guys 231 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: contribute into the pockets of the city of Denver tax wise. 232 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: We generate, We generate hundreds of millions of dollars, and 233 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: it it translates to over thirteen million dollars in tax 234 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: revenue direct tax revenue for the city, but through prop 235 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: ee to the state, it contributes again to the wellbeing 236 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: of young children with pre K education. So this is 237 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: negatively impacting children in a lot of different ways. And 238 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: that's really another whole ironic piece of what's going on here. 239 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: It is pretty funny that in Colorado, if you love 240 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: the children, you should smoke cigarettes, because when you smoke cigarettes, 241 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: money goes to Colorado's Read to Achieve program and kids 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: reading programs. So that's why I hang around playgrounds and 243 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: light up cigarettes so that I can show those. 244 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: Kids how much I love them. 245 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: That's how backward our tax policy is in Colorado. 246 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: Christ let me ask you about this one. 247 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: I know you guys raise some money because you small 248 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: shop owners were pouring in your own money to keep. 249 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: Your businesses alive. 250 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: And then last week I see that and out of 251 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: state guy, Michael Bloomberg. This is a guy who when 252 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: he was mayor outlawed Big Sodas at seven to eleven 253 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: put in. 254 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: A million and a half bucks. A million and a 255 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: half bucks. 256 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: How does that compare to what you guys have raised 257 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: and how do you feel about some out of state 258 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: billionaire putting the money into this fight? 259 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I got to say, it was 260 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: a little alarming to turn on the news and see 261 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 4: my face and Filles face next to Michael Bloomberg's face. 262 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: It's just like I never thought that would happen. 263 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 4: But it truly is a David versus Goliath story in 264 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 4: this case. And they have way more money to plug 265 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: into these commercials and stuff that they're doing. But Phil 266 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: and I are out there putting yard signs up. We're 267 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: you know, ordering the stickers and the posters. We're driving 268 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: around town. We're begging people for donations. You know, We're 269 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: we're trying, We're connecting with all the shops in town. 270 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: It's a real grassroots effort, and it is Denver businesses 271 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: and Denver families and Denver you know, their employees, families 272 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: that are going to be impacted by this and Denver 273 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 4: as a whole, Michael Bloomberg is going to be, you know, 274 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 4: just fine, you know, but me and Phil and all 275 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: of our employees are going to be the one struggling. 276 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: So they're their committee to keep This band is called 277 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: Yes for Denver's Kids, and both positive yes vote yes. 278 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: They say it's for Denver's Kids. You guys must be 279 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: no because you hate children, which should be your name 280 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: of no, because we hate kids. 281 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: What I love by the name is. 282 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you if if this thing 283 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: goes down, if if it's no, do Denver kids have 284 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the ability to buy your product? 285 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: No? 286 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: No, no? 287 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: If voters vote yes as they want you to, as 288 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg wants you to, Yes for Denver's Kids. 289 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: Do kids have the ability to buy your product? 290 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: Yes? 291 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: No, No, well they will. 292 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: They buy them online and they sell them to each other, 293 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: like they will still have the ability because they don't 294 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: get them from us. It's a very resourceful, just like 295 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: either taking a little liquor out of your parents' liquor cabinet, 296 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 3: and everybody did it, and city councils sat there like 297 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: kids are from another planet. They don't know what language 298 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: they speak. They don't know how they get you, and 299 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 3: we were telling them they did not bring us to 300 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: the table as the largest stakeholders, and we actually had 301 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: solutions to this problem, real solutions which are hard and 302 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: it's not as easy as a lazy band. 303 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: It's it is so insult Hey, I'm going to keep 304 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: both of you guys over this long break here. I 305 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: want to I want to keep rolling with this. I 306 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: find it insulting that the Nanius hide behind kids when 307 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: whether this passes or fails, it's illegal to sell this 308 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: product to kids, and they'll just find another way. 309 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 2: This is this is crazy. This is to punish adults. 310 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: For being Hey, John just wanted to chime in and say, 311 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 5: this is another great example of an effective leadership. When 312 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 5: you do not enforce the laws that you have on 313 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 5: the books, you end up with more stupid laws that 314 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: will be enforced for a while until they are no 315 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 5: longer enforced. 316 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: Hmmm, what a spectacular point. I'm John, tell Derek good morning. 317 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: Thirty three minutes after give me a call three or 318 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: three seven to one, three eight, two five five, or 319 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: give us a talkback or a text on the line 320 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: with me. As Kristen Henzel, she owns Rusties vape and 321 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: smoke shop. Phil Gurrin owns a shop called Mixed Up Creations. 322 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: Their businesses are at STAE. I really don't care about that. 323 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: I care about our liberty being at steak. I don't smoke, 324 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't do nicotine products. But for some reason, this 325 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: just hacks me off. What it is it this City 326 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: Council of Denver is put forward at ban on flavored tobacco. 327 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 2: What is that? Those are Swisher sweets? You know what 328 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: Grandpa used to smoke. 329 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Now that's one of the products, but also flavored weight products, 330 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: flavored nicotine products. So I just don't understand how liquor 331 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: stores can stay in business. 332 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: And so peach infused vodka. 333 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: To adults and marijuana stores can do cherry infused marijuana 334 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: to adults, but these guys can't sell Swisher sweets to adults. 335 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: It really angers me. And they put on the ballot. 336 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: But I guess what's hard for me to also understand 337 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: is you guys put something on the ballot and. 338 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: You want to know vote explain that. 339 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: So you put something on the ballot that you hope 340 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: people vote down. It's another trick they have to use. 341 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: So if I understand it correctly. You put the original 342 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: proposal on the ballot, and that's the way it has 343 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: to be in order to. 344 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: Get it to fail. Is that right? Why don't we 345 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: go to Kristin on that one. 346 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 347 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 4: So, since they kind of just put this band through, 348 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: rushed it through. They put it in the middle of December, 349 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: so we basically had ninety days over the Christmas and 350 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: New Year's holiday to gather these signatures. They rushed it through. 351 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 4: They didn't hear any I got kind of lost in 352 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 4: my thought. 353 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: What was the question again, you need people? 354 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: How did you get this on the ballots a no vote? 355 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: Really? 356 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, because they pushed it through without doing all their 357 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: due diligence and stuff. So it was already a band 358 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: that went into place, and since we were able to 359 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: get the signatures, that's the reason that it is delayed 360 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: until January. So if we hadn't been able to get 361 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: these signatures, it would have just been, like you said, 362 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 4: nanny city council making this decision for everyone in the city. 363 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 4: So since we have to fight against the band that 364 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 4: they pushed through, now we're having to say do you 365 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 4: want to keep this ban? An answer is no. 366 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: The answer is no, Phil, how hard was it to 367 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: get this on the ballot? 368 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: It was nuts. And I mean it's one of those things. 369 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: As a kid, you always kind of fantasized about doing 370 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 3: something like this, and when we embarked on this journey, 371 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: I had no idea how hard it is just for 372 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: a regular citizen to be heard, and it actually we 373 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: had to collect. We collected seventeen thousand signatures, which means 374 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: the voters, we have a lot of people supporting us. 375 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: But then we had to verify those signatures, John and 376 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 3: each time each signature causes twenty dollars to verify. So 377 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 3: if you do the math on that, it costs us, 378 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: you know, well over two hundred thousand dollars just to 379 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 3: collect the signatures. And if you look at the campaign 380 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 3: financing right now, that's still half of the money that 381 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: we've raised is just to get the signatures, and the 382 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: other side is out raising us by four times. And 383 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: I do want to say that the organization that has 384 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: given the other half a million dollars on the other 385 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: side is fully funded by Michael Bloomberg pretty much, So 386 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: you're talking about two million dollars of Michael Bloomberg money 387 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: against Kristen and Phil and the rest of these other 388 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: small businesses. 389 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: It makes me wonder. It makes me wonder the logic 390 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: of this, and it shows me that our leaders are emotional. 391 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: They don't think this through. This is not about kids. 392 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: This is about banning this product for adults. I believe 393 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: adults should be able to buy a Swiss or Sweet 394 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: cigar if they want one. 395 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: They don't want you to go ahead. 396 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: Another point I would like to make on about the 397 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: Denver City councils oversight on this is that these products 398 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 4: are still going to be the people everywhere else in 399 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 4: the Denver metro area. So not only is it going 400 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: to not stop kids from however they're getting access if 401 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: they were getting it, you know, from an older sibling 402 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: in Denver, they're going to get it from an older 403 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 4: sibling in Aurora. But all those other customers, that adult 404 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: customers that come to me to buy their Swiss er 405 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: sweets and their you know, their babes and their water 406 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 4: pipes and their you know, Colorado T shirt. If they're 407 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: going to Aurora to buy their nicotine pduct, they're going 408 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 4: to buy everything else there. So it's going to put 409 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 4: me out of business quickly. 410 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: You get a nail on the head, John. This is 411 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: this is this is based on emotional decisions by city 412 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: council and not taking a pragmatic point of view and 413 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: kind of looking at all of the sides, which I've 414 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: confronted them about that and they've been extremely disingenuous, and 415 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: that basically said, these are their personal feelings and this 416 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: is not what their constituents want. And by the vote 417 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: how it went in the City Council and the lack of discussion, 418 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: it definitely was not an eleven to one type of situation. 419 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: You're going to see this is going to be a 420 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 3: close vote just because people are listening to their lives. 421 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the constituents don't 422 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: want this, so they're just listening to their own feelings 423 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 3: and their own emotions. So they're creating law based on emotion, 424 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 3: and that is unhealthy for our democracy. 425 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: You have a problem, you have a challenge. 426 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: The challenge is that so few of us smoke or 427 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: use your products. It's the same reason why it's easy 428 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: for voters to tax tourists and jack up hotel tax 429 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: or rental car taxes because it's not a tax on 430 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: us and it's easy to beat up other people. Raising 431 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: taxes on other people is very easy. Banning things that 432 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: you don't use. It doesn't matter if you don't have 433 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: guns and you never want a gun. What's a little 434 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: bit of gun control because it just doesn't affect you. 435 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: So for the vast majority of us who don't buy 436 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: your product, why the hell should we care? And go 437 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: to Christen on this one? 438 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: First? 439 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: This is you've got to get people who don't buy 440 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: your product, who don't even really like your product, to 441 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: vote no on this proposal and keep your product legal. 442 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: Why should they do that? 443 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 4: I think it is just a matter of adult rights. 444 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 4: And it's kind of like who does study council thinks 445 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 4: that they are that they can just come and tell 446 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 4: us what I can do. You know, I I don't 447 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: drink alcohol, but I want to vape. And who is 448 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: Amanda Sawyer to tell me that I cannot? 449 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: And I just yeah, I like the way. 450 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: You put it. 451 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: You don't drink, but you do vape. So one of them, 452 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: the city council will allow to stay legal. So in 453 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: Denver you can do mushrooms if you're an adult, that's 454 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: okay by them. You can do marijuana if you want to, 455 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: that's okay with them. You can have a martini, you 456 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: can have a beer, you can have a glass of wine, 457 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: all infused with flavors. All of those things have flavors. 458 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: But yes, for some reason what you do is so 459 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: perverse that they have the right to tell you not 460 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: to do it. 461 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 4: Yoh, minactly, And what's next, Yeah, what's next. It may 462 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 4: not be something as obvious and well used as alcohol, 463 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: but it could be something else, you know, and then 464 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 4: it will affect you. And we need to hold our 465 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: city council well accountable. We elected them to help us 466 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 4: and serve us. And you know, we chose to open 467 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: our businesses in Denver, and now they are fully aware 468 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: and prepared to put. 469 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: Us out of business. 470 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: Let me ask you about about the business part of this. 471 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: As you said, it doesn't stop Aurora, it doesn't stop Littleton. 472 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: All these other places will now be absorbing the business 473 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: that is lost in Denver. But you understand their goal 474 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: is the same things as gun rights advocates. They want 475 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: to take a little here, take a little there, and 476 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: make a patch work of systems around around the state 477 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: so that it's easier for the state legislature just to 478 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: do it statewide, and I can see the state legislature 479 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: doing this. So if you don't live in Denver, you 480 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: should still care about this. 481 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: Fill any common on that. 482 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: Why should anybody outside of Denver worry about this? 483 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: Because rights, it's not a bipartisann issue. It's a multi 484 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: part is an issue. And I don't care what spectrum 485 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: that anybody is identifying in when it comes to their 486 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: political beliefs. We should defend our rights and it's up 487 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,239 Speaker 3: to us as citizens to defend our rights. It's up 488 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 3: to us to defend the free press because right now, John, 489 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: if we're not having this conversation, the right information is 490 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: not getting out to the public. And that's why this 491 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: is so important. This forum is so important, The discussion 492 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 3: is so important. And these people that we've hired, we 493 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: hired them to protect our rights, not to attack them. 494 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 3: And we're seeing it kind of across the board where 495 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: things that have never been challenged before are being challenged, 496 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: and it's time for us to be a little bit 497 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: more boisterous, and like you were saying, if you're on 498 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: the extreme right or the extreme left, I think it's 499 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: time that we have these conversations and that they understand 500 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: that this is not an easy issue, and you know, 501 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 3: the people that are more pragmatic in the center that 502 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: we can really step up and dictate and protect our rights. 503 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: And that's important for everybody in the state. And everybody 504 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: knows as Denver goes, so does the rest of the state. 505 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: So everybody better be paying attention and please help support 506 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: us right now. 507 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: Conservatives make an interesting ally to these nannyists. Conservatives also 508 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: feel very that they want to control kids and they 509 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: want to make sure that they don't have a taste 510 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: of this. What do you say to conservatives and I 511 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: know lots of them who support these flavor bands because 512 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: they don't quite get that it's not about the kids, 513 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: it's about the adults. I imagine many of Brown's video 514 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: listeners are probably socially conservative and they want to do 515 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: this for their grandkids. 516 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: What do you say to them, This. 517 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: Doesn't help them. And we came to the table with 518 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: real solutions, and some of the things that are in 519 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: place are actually working. But I would say, historically, just 520 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: look at the history of bands. They do not work. 521 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: And I don't understand why we have to keep trying 522 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: bands and they keep failing, because that is the definition 523 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: of insanity. So if you want to subscribe to insanity, 524 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: then you are doing exactly that by trying to say 525 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: this law is going to change human behavior, because it 526 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: is not. 527 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: If people want to learn more about this, do you 528 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: have a website? What do you want them to do? 529 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: I just get so exercised about about this one. 530 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: Where do they go? 531 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 3: Citizenpowerdenver dot org. Please support us wherever you are in 532 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: the country. I know that came how is being blasted 533 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: out across multi states. If you're in South Dakota and 534 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: you agree with this, please help us. If you're in Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, 535 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: help us. You taught everybody you know, this is our 536 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: these are our rights and traditionally you know what you 537 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: were saying about, you know people on the right traditionally 538 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: that they're just centurions of the Constitution and we cannot 539 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: forget this amazing document that we have. 540 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: Been point taken. 541 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: I gotta run, guys, Thank you so much. Christ and 542 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Hansel from Rusty's Vape Shop, Phil Gurrin from Mixed Up 543 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: Creations go support their businesses, but most importantly vote no 544 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: on three ten back after this you're on six thirty 545 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: k how. 546 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 3: John, So we can't have kids smoking flavored cigarettes, but 547 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: we sure kNs sexually mutilate them for life. 548 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 2: Good job, Colorado, Good job Colorado. 549 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: I want to come up with some sort of message 550 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: that just says, thanks for the consistency. So you've outlawed 551 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: adults buying flavored tobacco like Swishers sweets, you know, for 552 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: the kids, but you still allow adults to buy mushrooms 553 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: flavored pot flavored alcohol. Thanks for the consistency. Thanks for 554 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: the consistency. I'm John Caldera and for the big man. 555 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Just keeping an eye on the price of gold. I'm 556 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: a monetary goob. It's over forty one hundred dollars an ounce. 557 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: Just to give you an idea of hard money versus 558 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: soft money or fiat money, which is just printed out 559 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: of nowhere. 560 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 2: Check this out. 561 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: If you had a dime from nineteen sixty four, as 562 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: back when there was actually silver in that dime, there 563 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: was point zero seven percent of an ounce. 564 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: Of silver in that really tiny bit of silver. 565 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: That dime is now worth about three bucks and seventy 566 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: cents three seventy for that one dime. So if we 567 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: stayed on a gold standard or some sort of standard. 568 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: We would have deflation. 569 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: Or let me put it this way. If nineteen sixty 570 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: four you had a quarter in your pocket, it was 571 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: about zero point one eight percent silver, but you could 572 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: use that quarter and buy a gallon of gasoline. Roughly, 573 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: here's a quarter gallon of gasoline. If you had that 574 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: same silver quarter today, the silver alone would allow you 575 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: to buy three gallons of gasoline. 576 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: That is deflation. 577 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: Instead, what we have is inflation because our money is 578 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: worthless because it's printed out of thin air. 579 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: Why is gold being pushed to all time highs? 580 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm John Caldera. Keep it right here. You're on six 581 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: point thirty k. How