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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. Come watch the game

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Speaker 1: with me at Pittsburgh Brewing Company. Just through twenty and Creighton.

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Speaker 1: I got three USA Hockey jerseys to give away, and

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Speaker 1: they got a big, big, big, big screen TV. I'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts on the Penguins and just

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Speaker 1: put this Rogers and Murray and all that crap in

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Speaker 1: the rear view mirror for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Somebody cast again to me on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I said in the first hour, if Rudolph had played

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Speaker 1: last year, the Steelers would not have done.

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Speaker 2: A lot worse. I think they would have. I can

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Speaker 2: tell you this for sure.

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Speaker 1: With Rudolph they would not have won a playoff game,

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Speaker 1: same as they didn't with Rogers. You know what, I'm

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Speaker 1: convinced people really want more than anything. Well, if they

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Speaker 1: get a playoff game, we can go to the sports

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Speaker 1: bar one more time or have a Steeler party at

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Speaker 1: our house one more time. And hey, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I get paid five hundred bucks form my viewing parties,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciated the extra one for the playoffs. But

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Speaker 1: let's talk beenns. I guess kindled it, okay, between we're

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Speaker 1: Kellen Ross. He had four shots like I said Carlson

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Speaker 1: was very good and has been very good offseason.

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Speaker 2: He could be their team MVP. Skinner was fine in goal.

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Speaker 1: Chinikoff got chances, although I still think he could shoot more.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you just lose. So Buffalo and tom Tomorrow night,

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Speaker 1: the Savers looking to make a big deal, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're hearing. Maybe get Robert Thomas, the center from Saint Louis,

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Speaker 1: who is the soup du jour at this year's trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: a big time player. But if the Sailors give back

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Speaker 1: one of their young defensemen like Power or Byrom, which

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Speaker 1: is what I'm told the Blues want, that's a bad deal.

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Speaker 1: Those young defensemen. Them two guys plus dall Leene, who's untouchable.

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Speaker 1: He's the cornerstone. That's the identity of the Savers. Them

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Speaker 1: three guys in the back, and take which top snuff front.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm Buffalo, I do not make that deal.

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Speaker 1: They're not close enough to risk a big move like that.

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Speaker 1: Then again, I didn't like it when Craig Patrick traded

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Speaker 1: Coffee and Reki in ninety two and it got to

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Speaker 1: Peng was a second Stanley Cup. Get well wishes to

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Speaker 1: Craig by the way still recovering from a stroke. Oh

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Speaker 1: and the rest did the peng was no favorites last

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Speaker 1: night on'sa don calls, especially in the first period geeky

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Speaker 1: through a monster crosscheck no call. Sere's thoughts on any

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Speaker 1: or all of that A three three four one two WSDX.

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Speaker 1: We're foolishly watching the English Premier League today Villa versus

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Speaker 1: Chelsea after Liverpool lost yesterday two to one of the

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Speaker 1: last place team.

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Speaker 2: The less said about it, the better. Not sure why

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Speaker 2: I brought it up.

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Speaker 1: One I want to I want to revisit with Rogers.

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Speaker 1: I've become convinced he's just too old. I got lectured

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Speaker 1: by pursued a while I'm wrong. I'm sure the course

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Speaker 1: he will lecture me why I'm wrong. I think I'm right.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just too old and too immobile. And

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Speaker 1: one thing nobody talks about is how Rogers bullies the

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Speaker 1: depth chart and got mvs in there and Theland and

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Speaker 1: Scotty Miller. And today Rogers was saying how Friarmouth was

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Speaker 1: hard done by.

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Speaker 2: This past year. Offensively should have been in there more.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you had said so, he would have been,

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Speaker 1: and then you could target him. I know that because

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Speaker 1: you got mvs on the team and on the field,

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Speaker 1: got Kielan on the team and on the field, got

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Speaker 1: Scotty Miller on the team, and made sure Roman Wilson

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Speaker 1: never got a helmet. Now, maybe Wilson didn't deserve one,

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Speaker 1: and imprecise rots and all that, But how can you

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Speaker 1: draft rookie Wydotts this year and signed free agent Whydotts

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Speaker 1: when free agency hits next Monday, which I am looking

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Speaker 1: forward to, just like I'm looking forward to doing my

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Speaker 1: Coulli guard. How can you rebuild the wide out room

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Speaker 1: when Rogers decides who plays, because that won't change. And

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Speaker 1: don't tell me he didn't decide that those guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna play. I'm surprised Alan Lazzard never showed up his

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Speaker 1: buddy from the Jets that he might yet pursuit of

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Speaker 1: told me, well, he made the most of what he had,

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Speaker 1: did he? I mean, is that the most? Maybe if

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Speaker 1: because all they had was DK. He's not a number one.

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Speaker 1: There are elements about him that just sucks. The drops,

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Speaker 1: the attitude, blah blah blah. Now another thing that oh

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Speaker 1: Chelsea tied it another thing you got to talk about.

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Speaker 1: You might have to rebuild the left side of the

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Speaker 1: old line with Jones's next Fusion.

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Speaker 2: I bet he got great drugs next fusion. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And if Cimal who walks? But Dylan Cook will start

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Speaker 1: he's cheap and they already got him. That's one less

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Speaker 1: guy they have to go out and get. We should

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Speaker 1: talk Buco baseball. What's that record now in the preseason

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Speaker 1: nine and two? Oh, the Bucks are.

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Speaker 2: Going all the way, all the way, all the way. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Bucks are going all the way all the way

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 1: Who did that song back when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: Benny Banack and I think his Buco band.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe he was just Benny Banack. That was the

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Speaker 2: big slogan.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, when I really started to

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Speaker 1: fall in love with Pirate baseball till they stuck it up.

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Speaker 1: I wrecked him like a couple decades later, in nineteen seventy,

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Speaker 1: it was the ten year anniversary of Mass's home run

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty, and the slogan was go like sixty

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Speaker 1: and seventy And they did win the division and the

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Speaker 1: very next year won the World Series. See slogans can work.

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Speaker 1: Uh the buck goes. You know, they're not stupid, they're

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Speaker 1: just cheap. The Steelers are stupid and cheap. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got to find out. You know, what would really

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Speaker 1: tell a tale is how many toilet stalls the Pirates

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Speaker 1: have in their clubhouse and the Penguins have at PPG.

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Speaker 1: Huh huh uh, because I bet it's more than five

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Speaker 2: How's that exact number? Get out?

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Speaker 1: That's like Running Man, where where Ben Richards knew how

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Speaker 1: many toilets won the plane from a trivia question asked

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Speaker 1: on a game show. So he was trying to hunt

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Speaker 1: one of the hunters and he knew, okay, one toilet,

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Speaker 1: two toilets, three toilets, four toilets, five toilets. Got to

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Speaker 1: be in the six toilet and he wasn't and the

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Bet the Pirates have more toilets than five. I bet

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Speaker 1: the Penguins do two. And the Pirates don't have bad

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Speaker 1: patches on their field PNC it is impeccable. And the

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Speaker 1: was don't have holes in their ice. I remember they

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Speaker 1: did one time though. Guess who was in tom This

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Speaker 2: Gretzki sold out. There was like a hole in the ice.

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Speaker 1: In the one corner, and they weren't going to give

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Speaker 1: Glenn Saylor, who played for the Penguins, he was the

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Speaker 1: Oilers coach in the Gretzki era, said this building has

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Speaker 1: always been crap.

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Speaker 2: Afterwards, yeah, but it was home. I grew up their slats.

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Speaker 1: You're just mad because you got traded for still Apse

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Speaker 2: One five nine the x L You say that like

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Speaker 2: you think I would remotely give a dump, but do

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Speaker 2: go on the ex double am lunt X.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to take Penguin calls. Lost last night, but

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Speaker 1: they're still going good. Big game tomorrow night against Buffalo

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Speaker 1: at PPG. We could talk endlessly about Rogers coming back,

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Speaker 1: which he did not commit to today when he appeared on

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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee. They should get Murray, they won't. That's Okay,

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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing, and especially when they don't,

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Speaker 1: which regarding quarterback, they don't. Ben was on the DV

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Speaker 1: morning show today just called cold you could call this

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Speaker 1: show too, buddy, and he said, like he said on

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Speaker 1: his podcast, he would start Will Howard and if he

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Speaker 1: comes through, you got your guy. If he doesn't, Ben

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Speaker 1: didn't say this part, but if Howard sucks, you go

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Speaker 1: three to fourteen and draft Archs Manning, who would then

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Speaker 1: refuse to come here. I not only wouldn't bring Rogers back,

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Speaker 1: I think in many way he's the worst possible option.

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Speaker 1: He's old, he's a mobile, didn't get hurt last year,

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Speaker 1: is the worst idea possible. He's forty two, and he's

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Speaker 1: not Brady. The Howard idea, I don't like it, but

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Speaker 1: I like it better than starting Rogers bringing him back.

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Speaker 2: I still keep coming back to Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray would be playing for his football career, his

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Speaker 1: football life. Rogers would just be playing on the string.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Bringing back Rogers is the worst idea possible, And the

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Speaker 1: funniest thing about it is that these Steelers are one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent sold on it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Tyler and aspa wall. Tyler, you're on

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Speaker 2: with double.

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Speaker 1: M heye, sir, I said, good day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, curious to get your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 4: You know, something that's become totally apparent throughout this Penn

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Speaker 3: Dan Hughes has got this roster to I think overachieve,

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Speaker 3: particularly with the bottom six versus in years past, Mike

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Speaker 3: like Jared mccannon, Tanev, Wiley Smith and those guys underachieved.

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Speaker 3: And I'm curious to understand your thoughts why that might

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the bottom six under mus gets more

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Speaker 1: he's doing that partly because guys like Malkin and Crosby

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Speaker 1: at their ages, you know, the less minutes is probably more,

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Speaker 1: and it might have been the opposite. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: Malkin and Crosby for sure not no more. So I

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Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it, I think goals

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Speaker 1: so that they've stumbled upon some really good combinations with

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Speaker 1: all four lines that has served everybody well. But but

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Speaker 1: but but also you look at last night with with

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Speaker 1: the whole lineup diluted. I didn't think the bottom six

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Speaker 1: did very much at all last night, did you.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think they did.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: The other thought I had on Wise's case, and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I think maybe just a new coaches, Dan has

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Speaker 4: been a lot more you know, open to you know,

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Speaker 4: the players playing their games versus you know, widely reported

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Speaker 4: you know, Mike wanted to have, you know, Sullivan wanted

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Speaker 1: He wanted everybody to play to his preference rather than

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Speaker 1: to what their talent dictated. And that was especially true

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Speaker 1: on defense, where every defenseman was expected to pinch and activate,

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Speaker 1: and it did not serve the cause of most of

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Speaker 2: I mean, Carlson talked about it. He didn't meant should

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Speaker 1: But but the style Sully wanted fit Carlson perfect, but

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Speaker 1: Mark Madden, Mark, that's what you got to do. He Mark,

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Speaker 1: to Mike de Corsi of the Sporting News. He's Pittsburgh's

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Speaker 1: own Mike, I've been suckered into the quarterback discussion too

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Speaker 2: But how can you help them with with.

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Speaker 1: With Rogers Appearing on McAfee, he didn't say much except

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question. And I don't know what

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that's one of the reasons why this past

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Speaker 6: and that's exactly how it should be in these circumstances.

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Speaker 6: But right now, I just my concern is that the

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Speaker 6: Kyler Murray, I don't know what Kyler Murray has left.

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Speaker 6: I'll be frank, and I bet your ye're probably in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I'd rather have him with Rogers, though

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it depends on the price him at the minimum,

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Speaker 6: Well, the problem is that it's you could easily do

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Speaker 6: But it's it's not easy to address on a full

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Speaker 1: Isn't really that hard, though, Mike, Why can't they get

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Speaker 1: I keep getting told they're an elite football organization. Well,

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Speaker 6: If it were that simple, the Steelers would have done

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Speaker 6: He was less than he could have been, But the

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Speaker 1: As I've said repeatedly, drafting Picket, which I said was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my tweet draft Knight tweet, and I took a

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Speaker 6: And that's that was twenty two. So twenty two to

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Speaker 6: So I'd have to say that twenty six they'll regret

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Speaker 6: I know that they're not going to They're not going

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Speaker 2: I just think they need to go four and thirteen organically.

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Speaker 1: I think whatever, Yeah, I think that's the most likely

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what Ben thinks.

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Speaker 6: Guy, right I will I will say that I am

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Speaker 6: Some yes, but like not not on the regular basis

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Speaker 1: I just think bringing Rogers back is a great mistake,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I really don't understand the appeal.

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Speaker 6: to call it that, where you know it conveyed the

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Speaker 6: division championship, and then the Baltimore game would just be

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Speaker 6: exercise that. And you saw what you saw. I mean,

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Speaker 6: they couldn't score, and they look Cleveland's got a terrific defense,

439
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Speaker 6: but you shouldn't not be able to score against them.

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Speaker 6: And then okay, so they get into the playoffs and

441
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Speaker 6: in a lot of ways outplayed Houston cause turnovers, did

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Speaker 6: a good defensive job, et cetera. But your quarterback couldn't

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Speaker 6: get away from the pass rush and so there were

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Speaker 6: no answers and so you couldn't score.

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Speaker 2: And so what's how is that going.

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Speaker 6: To be any different as he gets older?

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Speaker 1: Well, well, no, no, And and Mike, you didn't answer

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Speaker 1: my question, and maybe what you said indicates there isn't

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Speaker 1: an answer.

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Speaker 2: Why are they fixated on bringing him back?

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Speaker 6: Well, that's why, that's why I don't understand it, because

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Speaker 6: of those limitations that are that are inevitable. It's not

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Speaker 6: like he had like a like Okay, his injury was

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Speaker 6: he hurt his wrist, if he had a bad ankle

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Speaker 6: or something, and that's why he couldn't get away from

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Speaker 6: the pass rush. Maybe you could see you could you

457
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Speaker 6: could say, okay, well, they understand he was he was

458
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Speaker 6: limited as like he's just old, older for a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: He's old for a quarterback, and he can't get away

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Speaker 6: from an elite pass rush. And Cleveland showed it in

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Speaker 6: a in a game that mattered, and Houston showed it

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Speaker 6: in a game that meant survival in the season. And

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Speaker 6: it's not going to change. You can try, maybe they

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Speaker 6: think if they bring in McCarthy and the offense is

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Speaker 6: more sophisticated and you trick it. But like when you

466
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Speaker 6: have to get rid of the ball all the time

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Speaker 6: on like within the first few possessions of the first

468
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Speaker 6: few seconds of the possession, you're never going to be

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Speaker 6: all that you can be and you're probably not beating

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Speaker 6: those kinds of teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's slow, won't take a hit.

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Speaker 1: And here's another thing about Rogers that bugs me and

473
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Speaker 1: really did this past year. He bullies the depth chart, Mike,

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Speaker 1: especially receiver. The receivers are subject to his approval. How

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Speaker 1: do you rebuild the wide outs not knowing who he's

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Speaker 1: gonna want out there because of precise running or whatever

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Speaker 1: he said today on McAfee. He thought Pat Friarmuth was

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Speaker 1: hard done by last year. Was it not there enough? Well,

479
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Speaker 1: you could have fixed that. What you say goes, why

480
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Speaker 1: didn't you do it? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think he had a little bit more voice there

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Speaker 6: than either he exercised or he'll admit one of the two,

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Speaker 6: because yes, Friarmuth should have been out there. He's a

484
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Speaker 6: high level tight end pass Oh absolutely, But it started

485
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Speaker 6: with the snapcount, which was absurdly low for a player

486
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Speaker 6: of his income and his ability. His income is not

487
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Speaker 6: is not out of step with his ability, his usage was.

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Speaker 6: And okay, so you get better at that position, You

489
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Speaker 6: presumably bring in a better wide out as a free agent,

490
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Speaker 6: maybe you draft somebody, all these different things, but your

491
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Speaker 6: quarterbacks still can't move at the level necessary in today's game.

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Speaker 6: There are too many exceptional edge rushers for you to

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Speaker 6: be that stable, that that immobile in the pocket. Tom

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Speaker 6: Brady did it for a lot of years, and you

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Speaker 6: got to give him credit for that. But there's never

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Speaker 6: been another Tom Brady, no one ever as good as

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Speaker 6: as Rogers football brain is. There's no doubt that Brady's

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Speaker 6: was in another class. Rogers had him in arm and mobility,

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Speaker 6: for most of his career, but he doesn't have the

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Speaker 6: mobility now and I just don't see them getting better

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Speaker 6: in those situations by running it back. And I know

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Speaker 6: that they are things they can do with him to

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Speaker 6: improve the offense, but honestly they should have been done

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Speaker 6: a year ago when they had the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And my thing is part of the reasoning is

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Speaker 1: it's a populous move. I think the citizens want Rogers back.

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Speaker 1: I think Art listens too much to well, I don't

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Speaker 1: know who he has to listens to. Is GM's a

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Speaker 1: Bean Connor, you know, is coach longtime coach left?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not a good situation there, which a

512
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Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to call them out on.

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Speaker 2: And what do they do on the old line?

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Speaker 1: Mike Broderick Jones had his neck fused, Ciamalu might walk.

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Speaker 1: And that's why they need to rebuild more than people

516
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Speaker 1: think they should, because when you do it their way,

517
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Speaker 1: every time you fill a hole, more open up.

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Speaker 6: But that's true for everybody in the NFL, too an

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Speaker 6: extreme true for the.

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Speaker 2: Steelers more than most.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that they certainly have to figure

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Speaker 6: out what to do on the left side of the

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Speaker 6: offensive line. There's no doubt about that. They believe in

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Speaker 6: Spencer Anderson. I think that that's is that unreasonable?

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Speaker 3: Maybe not?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think you'd have to draft I.

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Speaker 1: Bet they're gonna start Dylan Cook to Mike. I think

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Speaker 1: he played a couple of good games and they fell

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Speaker 1: in love with them.

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Speaker 6: Oh but you know a lot of Pittsburgh fell in

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Speaker 6: love with him too. Can tell you that my brother,

532
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Speaker 6: who's a big listener of your show, thinks Dylan Cook

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Speaker 6: at the future. I think I think it's worthwhile bringing

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Speaker 6: him back. My thought all along was that he would

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Speaker 6: be in competition with Broderick and and would and then

536
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Speaker 6: the winner would keep the job and the other would

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Speaker 6: be the backup.

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Speaker 1: If Dylan Cook is competing with Broderick Jones, he certainly

539
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Speaker 1: drafted the wrong guy you traded up.

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Speaker 6: To get well in this case. Uh well, I think

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Speaker 6: that in this case, you're it's a reasonable argument that

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Speaker 6: they drafted the wrong player. But it's also bad luck

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Speaker 6: that that this injury occurred to him and set him back.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he seemed to be making progress through the

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Speaker 6: course of the series. Wasn't a little I I'm not

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Speaker 6: saying he was out there and suddenly he was an

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Speaker 6: elite left tackle. But he was making progress at a position. Remember,

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Speaker 6: he was only what ten games into playing at the

549
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Speaker 6: NFL level at the time the injury occurred. So I'm

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Speaker 6: if you gave him another basically ten games, who knows

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Speaker 6: how far along he might have come. But now that

552
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Speaker 6: that got set back, and now the injury is even

553
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Speaker 6: more profound than we realized, I don't know that that

554
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Speaker 6: we're likely to see that workout in the way that

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Speaker 6: had been hoped.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're gonna make any big moves in

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Speaker 2: free agency? Mike.

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Speaker 1: They kind of did last year. I mean Dk they

559
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Speaker 1: traded for but gave him that big deal. It felt

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Speaker 1: like a free agent get. But traditionally do not make

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Speaker 1: a big splash on the first day.

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Speaker 6: I think I think they absolutely should be in the

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Speaker 6: mix for Alec Pierce. I loved Alec Pierce as a

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Speaker 6: player at Cincinnati. I lived in Cincinnati at the time

565
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Speaker 6: he played there and thought he was tremendous and underrated

566
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Speaker 6: and not and I'm not been at all surprised that

567
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Speaker 6: he's been an NFL success, And I would think that

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Speaker 6: he's exactly the type of person you would want in

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Speaker 6: the Steelers organization. And look, I don't know what it

570
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Speaker 6: costs these days, but it's not like they're been on

571
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Speaker 6: salary cap room. I absolutely think I.

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Speaker 1: Agreive years old, proven big receiver. I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: them get him. But why would he want to come here?

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Speaker 1: That's something we don't look at closely enough. Why would

575
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Speaker 1: he want to come here to have Grandpa game manager

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Speaker 1: throat to him. I'm sure there's a dynamic option out there.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's not forget I mean, he was successful with

578
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Speaker 6: some pretty middling quarterbacks and and some and some Grandpa's

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Speaker 6: as well over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: True, I think.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'd like to get away from that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I would say that, Look, I don't know exactly

583
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Speaker 6: who's going to be in the market for him, but

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Speaker 6: I can say that at the very least, you know that,

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Speaker 6: for all my problems with the hiring of McCarthy, I

586
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Speaker 6: don't have a problem with the fact that he is

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Speaker 6: a high level offensive mind and that if you came here,

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Speaker 6: there's a good chance that you're not having to go

589
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Speaker 6: through the Arthur Smith strainer. Uh, you know, you're not

590
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Speaker 6: having to go through that, You're you're actually getting to

591
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Speaker 6: go out and play and play in a flourishing system

592
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Speaker 6: that I mean, that's one of the parts right now

593
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Speaker 6: that you could say would be appealing. The other part

594
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Speaker 6: that's appealing.

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Speaker 5: Is this is there's still.

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Speaker 6: A great value, both during your career and after your

597
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 6: career to being a Steeler. And I could tell you

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Speaker 6: from from ten years in Indianapolis and nearly twenty in

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Speaker 6: Cincinnati that that doesn't exist in every place that has

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Speaker 6: a team. I mean, I'll tell you you go to

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Speaker 6: a Colts game. I used to go to cover some

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Speaker 6: Colts games in the twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen

603
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Speaker 6: era right around there, and like the only quarter, the

604
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Speaker 6: only jerseys you ever saw were Manning in Luck. I

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Speaker 6: mean this is after Manning left. Like it's just not

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Speaker 6: the kind of football market that this one is where

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00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 6: you'll see like seven hundred different jerseys if you go

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Speaker 6: to a Steeler game, because that's what this city is

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Speaker 6: about in terms of sports. And I think there's a

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Speaker 6: great value to that. The fact that Ben's still out

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Speaker 6: there speaking on a podcast, and Trey Trey Essex can

612
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Speaker 6: still have a Steelers podcast, and Charlie Batch is a

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Speaker 6: voice in the media, and all these guys are still

614
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Speaker 6: matter to this city. I think says everything about why

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Speaker 6: you'd want to be one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't, but I appreciate your sympathy. No, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be a wide receiver coming here. I

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Speaker 1: just wouldn't, but hopefully some will. Mike is always great stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 2: That's Mike the course he brought to us by South Hills, Kia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be Alec Pierce ser some

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Speaker 1: young talented receiver coming here to play for Grandpa game Manager.

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Speaker 1: I just think, and you know, I'm reading more of

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Speaker 1: these quotes from McAfee. He was an ass on the show,

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Speaker 1: and he's clearly holding the Steelers over a barrel again.

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Speaker 1: He said there's no deadline, no offer, no contract set

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Speaker 1: by either side. And here's a quote from him. I

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Speaker 1: want to say to anybody on here who's expecting me

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Speaker 1: to make some big decision, just shut up, turn it

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Speaker 1: off now unquote right, because.

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Speaker 2: Here we are.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning of March and the Steelers still don't

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Speaker 1: know who their quarterback is, and anyone who would like

635
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Speaker 1: to know is being unreasonable. Aaron Rodgers is a dink

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Speaker 1: and he's making the Steelers his bitch again. A three

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Speaker 1: three four one two WSDX. It's the Mark Madden Show

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