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Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, and I didn't mean to

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Speaker 1: this blowhard is avoiding the issue like you do, Dan.

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Speaker 1: The issue is the Somalis, and the only solution is

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Speaker 2: But it's hard to know where we go when that is.

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Speaker 3: So let me address that. Because you and I have

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Speaker 3: It's not the first time anybody's said that about me.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, it's actually kind of mild imagin it takes.

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Speaker 3: So you don't get to ship people back to wherever

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Speaker 1: I have a wonderful dinner. We appreciate the the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, we haven't done.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe is offered up the president's reaction yet,

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Speaker 3: Now, I wish the American media would take a great

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Speaker 2: That the people in Congress and find out are they

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Speaker 3: A Kissler because people have got to know whether or

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Speaker 2: But I can't trust Obama. He's a Kussler.

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Speaker 3: Tear down the dish wall.

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Speaker 2: I did nothing wrong at a Minneapolis airport.

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Speaker 3: Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.

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Speaker 5: Kessler, and now to help Dan break down all the

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Speaker 2: I feel like a supermodel, except like Times ten.

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Speaker 1: Governor Walls was not going to run as originally expected

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Speaker 2: That in your mind are worthy of our discussion.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if we we've talked about whether

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Speaker 4: Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome had another press conference defending

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Speaker 4: her ICE agent also said, I think this is newsworthy.

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Speaker 4: She said that she did speak to Governor Walls during

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Speaker 4: the last hour or so and that she expressed to

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Speaker 4: him her frustration that they cannot work together.

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Speaker 2: She said that she.

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Speaker 4: Has a lot of trouble here in Minnesota because she

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Speaker 4: said that they can't get the city or the state

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Speaker 4: to work with them to round up illegal immigrants undocumented

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Speaker 4: people who are here. She said, we discussed our very

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Speaker 4: different viewpoints, and she acknowledged, you know, she's known these

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Speaker 4: guys have known each other.

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Speaker 2: Gnome and Walls really for years.

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Speaker 4: Not only were they in Congress together twenty years ago,

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Speaker 4: but they were governors together South Dakota and Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Right forgot about that, and.

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Speaker 4: So she she said, you know, we talked about all that.

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Speaker 4: We don't know the tone of that, and I'm very

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Speaker 4: interested to hear what that was all about. But she said,

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Speaker 4: she told him we've never had a cooperative agreement. She

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Speaker 4: urged the state of Minnesota to work with them as

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Speaker 4: they round up undocumented people. She defended in the last

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Speaker 4: few minutes the ICE agent who shot and killed the

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Speaker 4: person in the car and said that, you know, I

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Speaker 4: guess we should say allegedly, because that's where we are

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Speaker 4: right now, who apparently did this allegedly, and said that

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Speaker 4: the woman in the car tried to kill him. She

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Speaker 4: said that I'm looking at the notes here. She said

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Speaker 4: that the agent shot the woman defensively, she weaponized her vehicle,

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Speaker 4: and she was stalking and obstructing ICE agents. So I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're doubling down and saying this is all that happened.

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Speaker 2: We don't have evidence of a lot of it. We have,

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Speaker 2: we've all seen.

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Speaker 4: This video of the shooting itself, but we don't know

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Speaker 4: exactly what happened before the video was shot, and I'm

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Speaker 4: sure we're going to get something of that.

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Speaker 2: She also said, and I'm very curious about this.

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Speaker 4: She said they were in they were in the middle

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Speaker 4: of trying to get their car out of the snow

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Speaker 4: that was forty you know, forty some degrees today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they were trying to get it and then

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Speaker 4: they were obstructed by this person. One other thing, she

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Speaker 4: would not identify the agent. We don't know if this

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Speaker 4: person is on administrative lead. She said that he was

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Speaker 4: treated in a hospital. The President said that he thought

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Speaker 4: he was badly injured, and he's been released and he's

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Speaker 4: with his family. We don't know if that means here

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Speaker 4: in Minneapolis, if this is an agent. We don't know

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Speaker 4: if this is a veteran agent or a rookie agent.

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Speaker 4: But that's what we know. The latest stuff from Chris.

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Speaker 1: Is there any video evidence to date it indicates the

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Speaker 1: vehicle action, he made contact with the officer who did

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Speaker 1: the shooting.

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Speaker 2: It's very difficult to see. We've looked at the video.

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Speaker 4: I know probably many or most of our listeners have

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Speaker 4: already looked at the vehicle, and clearly the agent was

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Speaker 4: at the front left bumper of this vehicle. We don't

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Speaker 4: know where he was exactly right before then. This all

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Speaker 4: depends on what he was seeing from his point of view.

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Speaker 4: But we could see in the video that the car

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Speaker 4: tires were turned to the right, as if she was

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Speaker 4: trying to get away. We saw that one of the

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Speaker 4: agents had pulled on the door handle so as to

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Speaker 4: say stop.

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Speaker 2: Get out of the car, something like that. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So they were intending to arrest this person. She was

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Speaker 4: trying to evade arrest, apparently trying to get out of there.

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Speaker 4: And it didn't look as if there was heavy contact

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Speaker 4: with the agent, but we don't know what he saw from.

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Speaker 2: His point of view. That's why I want to see this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see that video, but gosh, did

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Speaker 4: it look like deadly force. Pretty much every agency law

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Speaker 4: enforcement in Federal State City there is a policy you

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Speaker 4: never shoot at a moving car, a moving vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Well unless, yeah, unless you feel to be danger that's

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Speaker 1: the question.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me get to this text. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to read a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of them because, as I said, this one of

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Speaker 1: those days where I'm not sure it serves any constructive purpose.

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Speaker 1: But I've been challenged in this one, So go ahead,

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Speaker 1: I'll take the bait. This is from a seven to

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Speaker 1: sixty three guy, a Tim. He writes, I know you

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Speaker 1: won't ask Kessler on air because that's just how you

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Speaker 1: run your show. Yeah, you Dan, but I wish you

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Speaker 1: would have the guts to ask him how he felt

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Speaker 1: about the sixteen hundred ICE arrests under the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Was Walls calling the Gestapo, calling

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Speaker 1: them the Gestapo? Was Fry telling Ice to get the

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Speaker 1: bleep out. No, they weren't, because they actually don't care

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Speaker 1: about the people getting arrested.

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Speaker 2: It's all political theater. What would you say to Tim?

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Speaker 4: I think Tim makes a pretty good point here. I

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Speaker 4: think that's a valid question to ask. Here is how

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Speaker 4: I understand the difference until this year.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with rhetoric.

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Speaker 4: But go ahead, Oh yeah, I mean it's craziness, O people,

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Speaker 4: we all know this is all crazy.

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Speaker 2: What's happening?

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Speaker 4: So the ICE agents and Border patrol agents were before

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Speaker 4: this year, last year with Biden, Obama, George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush, Reagan.

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Speaker 4: I'm just telling you this was targeted enforcement, meaning you

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Speaker 4: could make arrest. You go in and make arrests of

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Speaker 4: people who actually are violent criminals and get them and

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Speaker 4: get them out. This is something different. This is mass deportation.

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Speaker 4: It's not targeted. You just scoop everybody up and ground

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Speaker 4: up the.

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Speaker 2: Usual suspect to use the line out of Casa Blanca.

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Speaker 2: There you are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you go into the Fridley minards, as the chief

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Speaker 4: was saying, you go into homes in South Minneapolis, you

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Speaker 4: go into restaurants and laundry facilities, and you go to

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Speaker 4: roofing companies, and you are just scooping everybody up. So

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Speaker 4: although the President and I support it, I mean everybody does.

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Speaker 4: I think you support getting the violent murderers and criminals.

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Speaker 4: You want to get them out of here. Absolutely, that's

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Speaker 4: targeted enforcement. This is something a lot different than that,

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Speaker 4: where with massive force, masked, armed unidentified men are jumping in,

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Speaker 4: going into houses, all of this kind of thing, pulling

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Speaker 4: people out of cars. That's the big difference Tim seven

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Speaker 4: to six street guy.

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Speaker 2: But it's a really good.

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Speaker 1: Question what we have not gotten to the president's statements. Thus,

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Speaker 1: what is the president all we do? We do need

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Speaker 1: to break that's right, we got to get caught up.

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Speaker 1: Let's get a quick pause in here because we went

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Speaker 1: along with Andy Lueger, we got plenty more Kessler to

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Speaker 1: get to on this and perhaps a couple other stories,

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Speaker 1: but this is obviously going to be the predominant story,

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Speaker 1: especially related I think to what we expect tonight. And

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Speaker 1: then another thing I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: is the issue of what the position is of Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: Police Department when it comes to because I believe they've

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Speaker 1: said if we have to protect to keep the peace,

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Speaker 1: protect agents, that's part of what we do, even if

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Speaker 1: we are separating ourselves from what they are here to do.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that and more. Part two

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Speaker 1: with Special k in a minute. Part two with Special

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Speaker 1: K Pat Kessler. I'll throw another one at your way.

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Speaker 1: You you'll take them all. Six one two. Guy Kessler

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Speaker 1: is lying. Ice raids are targeted. They are targeted. They

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Speaker 1: there are just more that are here than ever before

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Speaker 1: due to Biden and Minnesota being a sanctuary. So is

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Speaker 1: he saying every person they target has a long and

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Speaker 1: by the way, some that are targeted do have a

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Speaker 1: criminal record, and that's I think, I mean.

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Speaker 2: A violent criminals.

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Speaker 1: But we're not going to suggesting that's lying. You're lying, So.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. I mean, the stated goal is

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Speaker 4: mass deportation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which includes anybody who's here illegally.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So that if you're here, if you came here undocumented,

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Speaker 4: right Uh, that the logic goes regardless of crime, correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, That not that you have a record of crime,

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Speaker 2: right uh.

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Speaker 4: And it could be a lot of these people that

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Speaker 4: are being swept up don't have anything, even a parking ticket.

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Speaker 4: So no, I'm going to tell you again that they

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Speaker 4: have ramped up recruitment for ICE. This is going to

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Speaker 4: be the largest police force in the nation because they're

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Speaker 4: putting one hundred million dollars into this. They're building detention

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Speaker 4: facilities and a number of different places, including Minnesota, and

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Speaker 4: then they're going to have a place to hold them

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Speaker 4: where and then deport them.

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Speaker 2: The strategy is mass deportation.

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Speaker 4: So I'm sorry, that's and that's a stated goal. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm not saying Biden.

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Speaker 2: I'm not defending Biden.

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Speaker 4: There were hundreds of thousands of people coming in.

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Speaker 2: He had to do something about it.

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Speaker 4: And President Trump is at the border, at the border,

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Speaker 4: and he's end at the border. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: know why he just doesn't declare victory to walk away.

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Speaker 4: He is not doing He's he's doing much much more

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Speaker 4: than he ever talked about in the campaign.

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Speaker 2: What mass deportation? So what his comments been today since

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Speaker 2: the story broke.

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Speaker 4: Well, he is in from the thirty thousand foot view.

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Speaker 4: He is defending the ICE agent and says we will

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Speaker 4: do whatever we can to protect the people who are

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Speaker 4: in danger from attack by protesters. But he's domestic terrorists,

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Speaker 4: so he's calling them domestic and during the last half

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Speaker 4: hour calls this person who was killed allegedly by the

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Speaker 4: ICE agent.

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Speaker 2: A domestic terrorists, a domestic terrorist.

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Speaker 4: It says she used her car as a weapon in

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Speaker 4: domestic terrorism. Here's what the president said. He said that

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Speaker 4: he's defending the officer. This is on his truth Social

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Speaker 4: he claims that the driver was disorderly, obstructing and resisting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you could make that legal argument, I suppose,

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Speaker 4: And he claims in his truth social posts. This is

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Speaker 4: the president of the United States that the woman who

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Speaker 4: was killed today viciously ran over her the ICE officer

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Speaker 4: before he shot her. My eyes say something different. That's

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Speaker 4: not what happened. From the evidence that we see, she

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Speaker 4: didn't run over the Ice officer. Then he says the

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Speaker 4: officer is recovering in the hospital. An update he has

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Speaker 4: been released, and he says it's hard to believe he

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Speaker 4: is alive.

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Speaker 2: Again, maybe there's a tape we haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she didn't run over him, he did move away.

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Speaker 4: I mean that is the number one defense of police

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Speaker 4: officers that I see. If you think a car is

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Speaker 4: going to hit, you, move out of the way. And

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Speaker 4: then he labels the woman you hear in this video screaming.

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Speaker 2: Shame, shame.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he labels her a professional agitator. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: don't know who this woman is and who knows. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is maybe somebody who shows up at a lot

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Speaker 4: of protests, but we don't know that. And then he

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Speaker 4: blames the radical left for targeting law enforcement officers and

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Speaker 4: ICE agents on a daily basis. I mean, you could

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Speaker 4: say you could make an argument that's true. I mean, protesters,

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Speaker 4: when they hear of ICE showing up in a neighborhood,

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Speaker 4: they come, they show up.

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Speaker 1: What is the stated policy and position of the Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: Police Department regarding their responsibility here. They've made it clear

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Speaker 1: they have nothing to do with these raids and don't

657
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Speaker 1: want to have anything to do these raids. But what

658
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Speaker 1: I mean, part of their job is to keep the peace.

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Speaker 1: It is, So, how much are we ramping up in

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Speaker 1: anticipation of concern about you know, how volatile the situation

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Speaker 1: might get tonight? Is it different because it's the winter

662
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Speaker 1: rather than the summer or the spring. So, and what

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Speaker 1: do we know about all that regarding what the chief

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Speaker 1: has said and what the approaches from Minneapolis police moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, the federal government does not and

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to say this outlaw does not have

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Speaker 4: a law that compels states and local police agencies to

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Speaker 4: cooperate with ICE. I mean, they could pass a law

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Speaker 4: saying you are required to do it. There is no

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Speaker 4: law that says this so any state, and there are

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Speaker 4: many states that do cooperate with ICE. That's voluntary. Here

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota, there are policies. We are not a sanctuary state. However,

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Speaker 4: there are policies in place and laws in place that

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Speaker 4: restrict the activity of the Minneapolis and the Saint Paul

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Speaker 4: police departments that they're not going to arrest people, ask

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Speaker 4: them for their papers in their cars. They're not going

677
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Speaker 4: to take people in jail and deliver.

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Speaker 2: Them to ice.

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Speaker 4: Those are the things that they will not do here

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota. However, if there is a problem, if there

681
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Speaker 4: is an altercation, if a federal officer, an ICE or

682
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Speaker 4: Border patrol, or an fbition is in trouble and they

683
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Speaker 4: call for help, the police will go there and help

684
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Speaker 4: them and protect them from any danger around them while

685
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Speaker 4: it's happening. This happened last summer. We probably remember where

686
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Speaker 4: they didn't even know. And I want to point.

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Speaker 2: Out that no one knows.

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Speaker 4: The governor pointed out today, nobody knows when they're coming,

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Speaker 4: how many people are coming, where they're going to go,

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Speaker 4: what they're doing, what time, anything. So the police find

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Speaker 4: out when anybody else everybody else does. If there is

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Speaker 4: a problem, they show up to protect the agents against

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Speaker 4: violence from protesters or whoever else is on there. Christy

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Speaker 4: Nome said in the last hour that they're not getting

695
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Speaker 4: a lot of help, but visually, just from what I know,

696
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Speaker 4: that's not exactly true. They showed up, and they showed

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Speaker 4: up again today to protect the ICE officers. Again, we

698
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Speaker 4: know nothing in these kinds of situations, and maybe we

699
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Speaker 4: have listeners out there who can tell me otherwise, but

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Speaker 4: it's really unusual if there's an officer involved shooting, ohis

701
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Speaker 4: and the agency scoops up the officer.

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Speaker 2: And they all leave. Everybody leaves.

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Speaker 4: They did quote unquote interfere with the crime scene. They

704
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Speaker 4: were in the car doing stuff and then they left,

705
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Speaker 4: and the Minneapolis police had to come to put police

706
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Speaker 4: tape around it to protect the crime scene and keep

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Speaker 4: people away. And then as the police are leaving and they,

708
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Speaker 4: you know, they didn't have anything to do with this.

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Speaker 4: As the police in Minneapolis are leaving the scene, they're

710
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Speaker 4: being pelted with snowballs by the protesters, and you know,

711
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Speaker 4: they're like, what did we do? So it's it's it's

712
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Speaker 4: a crazy upside down world here all right.

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Speaker 1: Top of the hour, break, we have one more segment

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Speaker 1: with Special k Keep the text coming and then we'll

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Speaker 1: prepare for We're at regular time today, six thirty.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? What are you chuckling about? Oh?

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Speaker 6: I was just reading something over here. I see off

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Speaker 6: topic text line. No, Oh, I'm not over here.

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Speaker 7: It's not today, not today.

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Speaker 2: Pat Kessler back with us. Top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: We are on until the usual time until six thirty tonight.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any sports tonight on the fan? Guardsy

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Speaker 1: any Toy Department relief.

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Speaker 2: We are gameless tonight.

725
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Speaker 1: Gameless tonight, Wolves celebrating their sweep of the Miami Heat

726
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: last night. Wild or back in action?

727
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Speaker 2: Is it tomorrow?

728
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because fallness would be bitter than the hockey and

729
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Speaker 1: Back didn't know the day. But I didn't. I don't

730
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Speaker 1: even know the day. On the Wolves, I mean, I

731
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Speaker 1: know they played last night. I don't look at the

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Speaker 1: schedule as closely as I used to.

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Speaker 6: It is Wild weekly coming up tonight seven o'clock. All right,

734
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Speaker 6: even better, but no actual game. Kessler Williams Arena last

735
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Speaker 6: night for the Border Battle. And you know what, We're

736
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Speaker 6: three and one in ten. Give us the stat that

737
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Speaker 6: you have uncovered, or at least you have.

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Speaker 4: I just heard this on the broadcast last night that

739
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Speaker 4: this is the the fastest start in the Big ten

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Speaker 4: since your guy Muscleman for a rookie, for a first

741
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Speaker 4: year head coach for MUSCLEMANI seventy one and seventy.

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Speaker 1: Ten, and of course his son Eric is already in town.

743
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable with the highly I don't know if they're ranked,

744
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Speaker 1: but highly thought of us Trojans, I'm going to try me.

745
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Speaker 2: I forgot to.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to text him to see if there's any

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Speaker 1: chance we can get him on the Marcus I the.

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Speaker 2: GUARDI I think they're already here.

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Speaker 1: You were worried about their schedule because I think I

750
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Speaker 1: saw a picture with them having practiced at the Wolves facility.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they are in town, they've been in town.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get see if we get worried about

753
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Speaker 4: getting stuck in the snow.

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Speaker 2: What's that all about.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, you get him on, you get him on

756
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Speaker 4: and then talk to him about this legacy record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believed that's very true. Davy.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about I mean, it's very

759
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Speaker 1: clear that Christine Noam is not waiting right, She's she's

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Speaker 1: got a story she's going to tell.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talk all the time about let's let

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Speaker 2: all the facts come in.

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Speaker 4: Well, they're talking about that, saying let's get all the facts.

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Speaker 2: Well, but we already know them all here.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe, quite frankly, on number of levels that

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Speaker 1: the mayor of the City of Minneapolis has bay has

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Speaker 1: basking in glory here regarding his approach either.

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Speaker 2: Though, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is a I think a fifteen minute walk

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Speaker 4: from where George Floyd was murdered.

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Speaker 2: So we have this echo in our head, we do.

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Speaker 4: We have this PTSD from this in twenty twenty May

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty. So I was a little surprised to

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Speaker 4: see the anger that Mayor Jacob Fry exhibited in the

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Speaker 4: press conference today telling Ice to get the blank out

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Speaker 4: of Minneapolis. And also although many people might agree with

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Speaker 4: him that the explanation by Christy Noman the Department of

779
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Speaker 4: Homeland Security is BS except to use the.

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Speaker 2: Exactly where he spoke it, yes, and so, but he.

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Speaker 4: Was angry, but he did not urge people. He wasn't

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Speaker 4: a calming influence, let me just say that. And so

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Speaker 4: that surprised me a little bit because Governor Walls and

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Speaker 4: he has been on a tear comes out swinging, he

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Speaker 4: has been ripping away over the last few days. He

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Speaker 4: took it down a few notches today and urged people

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Speaker 4: to if they're going to protest, to do it patriotically

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Speaker 4: and calmly.

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Speaker 1: And he said it would be it's the patriotic thing

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Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, we can discuss that, but the fact

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Speaker 1: is he tried. I think he tried. He was a

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Speaker 1: little more adult, I thought than the mayor has been

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about something I mentioned off air.

794
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Speaker 1: Former Governor Arnie Carlson was on with my former partner

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Speaker 1: Chad Hartman yesterday, I believe, and we're way overdue to

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Speaker 1: have Arnie back and maybe try to do that late

797
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Speaker 1: this week or even in the next week. Arnie basically said,

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Speaker 1: I know it seems counterintuitive if you're Governor Wallas, but

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Speaker 1: I'd do everything in my power.

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Speaker 2: To get on the phone with Donald J.

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Speaker 1: Trump, try to even get an in person meeting, even

802
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Speaker 1: though there's a million reasons to not.

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Speaker 2: Want to, including you know, double doubting.

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Speaker 1: On the conspiracy that Walls ordered the hit, repugnant stuff,

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Speaker 1: craziness in what was it this past spring or summer

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Speaker 1: on Melissa Hortman, But that practically, you know, one thing

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Speaker 1: I always respect about Arnie is I think he's a pragmatist.

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Speaker 1: He's not a shrinking violet by any means, but I

809
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Speaker 1: think he's a he's a throwback politically to you still

810
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: got to talk to people, and you might surprise yourself

811
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Speaker 1: about you got to think about what you can get

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Speaker 1: out of it, forgetting the fact that you feel like

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Speaker 1: this is someone you don't have anything in common with

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious to get your view on that philosophy.

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Speaker 4: What do you think it is so difficult to be

816
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Speaker 4: that person, to be a bigger person. It's so hard

817
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Speaker 4: to do when President Trump has been cruel and crude

818
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Speaker 4: and has gone after you and your family personally, and

819
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Speaker 4: Governor Wallas has done the same thing back to him,

820
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Speaker 4: And so you got two fighters in opposite corners. But

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Speaker 4: how do you be kinder person? How do you be

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Speaker 4: a more of a moral person or a person of values?

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Speaker 4: It's so hard to do. I don't know that I

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Speaker 4: could do it. I don't know that you have to

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Speaker 4: be kinder. Okay, I think if you've you've just got

826
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Speaker 4: to be strategic and all.

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Speaker 1: Right, you got to fit your tongue. But yes, the

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Speaker 1: New York mayor example, your guy, Mom, Donnie, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how long this is, This love affair is going

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Speaker 1: to last. But he goes to the prep to the

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Speaker 1: Oval office, right, and they're like, oh.

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Speaker 2: But holding ham.

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Speaker 4: I know, I mean he lost himself in And I

834
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Speaker 4: don't know who who was the one who lost himself?

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Speaker 4: Was a Trump who lost himself in? Mom Donnie's I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, so yeah, I mean, so if

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Speaker 4: you approach the president that way. And I believe that

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Speaker 4: my Donnie uh privately was saying, hey, you did something great.

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Speaker 4: You and I used your your ideas to get votes

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Speaker 4: and I got some of your voters. And if Walls

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Speaker 4: was ever able to do that, and I don't see

842
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Speaker 4: it right now, I don't see it. But maybe maybe

843
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Speaker 4: they'd get together and talk about stuff.

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Speaker 2: Who knows. I don't even know that it it. I

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Speaker 2: think went so far.

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Speaker 4: You know you you you suggested this to me, and

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, wow, I don't know. I can't see it

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Speaker 4: in this political environment.

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Speaker 2: I just can't. I mean one very surprised if whatever

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Speaker 2: other political question just came to my head. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know who.

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Speaker 1: The state legislator was who I heard saying this. I

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Speaker 1: do believe it was a Republican, but I a woman,

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Speaker 1: but I can't remember who it was suggested. And this

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Speaker 1: is a subject we've covered nationally for a long time.

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Speaker 1: In our we used to have great conversations with Joe Califano,

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Speaker 1: who worked in several presidential administrations going way way back,

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Speaker 1: that he had a belief that one of the things

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Speaker 1: that has been lost politically in the last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Is the ability.

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Speaker 1: To no matter how you feel about the person of

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Speaker 1: the other party, you've got to break bread with them,

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Speaker 1: You've got to negotiate with them. You have to humanize them.

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Speaker 1: You cannot simply demonize them. And it's easier to demonize

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Speaker 1: if you're never across a table from them, and that

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Speaker 1: he thinks this goes back probably ten years, that a

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Speaker 1: lot of that has been lost politically, and it hurts.

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Speaker 2: Us because then it's easier to demonize.

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Speaker 1: The state legislator suggested a belief, and you can speak

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Speaker 1: to this, I think, whether there's some truth to it

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Speaker 1: or not, that one of the strengths. She points it

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Speaker 1: out in her mind of Mark Dayton was obviously the

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Speaker 1: other side of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: He's a lefty, right, but that.

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Speaker 1: Dayton constantly had meetings and dinners and discussions with people

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Speaker 1: that he disagreed with pretty dramatically to try to get

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Speaker 1: stuff done, and that her belief was that Walls either

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Speaker 1: didn't have the stomach for that or didn't have the

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Speaker 1: interest in that, and that those sorts of meetings sort

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Speaker 1: of disappeared or that approach disappeared when Dayton was no

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Speaker 1: longer in office.

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Speaker 4: Is there any truth to that or is that oversimplifying. No,

883
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Speaker 4: that's absolutely true. I don't know who the legislator is

884
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Speaker 4: that you're talking about. I hadn't heard that particular story,

885
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Speaker 4: but I see that from some legislators. And I'm going

886
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Speaker 4: to name one senator, State Senator Julia Coleman. She is

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Speaker 4: one who says things like that. She tries to reach

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Speaker 4: out completely on the opposite side of issues. But yes,

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Speaker 4: having been there with Mark Dayton, he would constantly have

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Speaker 4: breakfast meetings with the groups of legislators. He would constantly

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Speaker 4: call them up, come on up to the office. They'd

892
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Speaker 4: have coffee, they'd have soft drinks, they do whatever, and

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Speaker 4: he was even though publicly man, they went at it

894
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Speaker 4: and we went through a couple of state shutdowns with

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Speaker 4: Mark Dayton. But yes, they had this ability to somehow

896
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Speaker 4: get together over over coffee, breaking bread.

897
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Speaker 1: Maybe we solve every other because I didn't, But there

898
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Speaker 1: was at least a little bit more sawing of this

899
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Speaker 1: frozen stuff doesn't exist now, we don't have it.

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Speaker 2: We don't have that right now. It's absolutely true.

901
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, what a time we're in, man,

902
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Speaker 1: Believe me, I know and will look for the best

903
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: tonight YEP obviously, and moving forward, it does sound like

904
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Speaker 1: do we know how big the presence is going to

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Speaker 1: be from a police standpoint tonight?

906
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Speaker 4: Well, we want to point out that Governor Wallas was

907
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: urging people to be peaceful, of course, but he has

908
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Speaker 4: put on alert the Minnesota National Guard and he's prepared

909
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Speaker 4: to call out the Guard should it be needed.

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Speaker 2: We don't.

911
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 4: We all hope that that doesn't happen, and of course

912
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Speaker 4: that we don't recreate what happened here in Minneapolis not

913
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Speaker 4: too long ago. So yeah, there's going to be a

914
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Speaker 4: police presence, but I think there's going to be a

915
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Speaker 4: protester presence.

916
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Speaker 1: Also, thank you Pat Casler, you bet extra duty this week,

917
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Speaker 1: outstanding work as always. Well, pause, we'll wrap up the show,

918
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Speaker 1: remind you what you missed on a very busy program

919
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Speaker 1: today and what's coming up tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Show represented by American Pressure commercial grade pressure washers since

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Speaker 6: nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: It's the Bumper to Bumper Show. Wrap a very busy

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Speaker 2: program today.

924
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Speaker 1: As one might expect, we'd had locked in on the

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Speaker 1: front end.

926
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Speaker 2: A couple of Toy Department guests.

927
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Speaker 1: We stuck with them even as we tried to address

928
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Speaker 1: the A section story early and then a lot really

929
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Speaker 1: all for the last better part of the last two hours.

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Speaker 1: Mike Conley, if you missed him, he joined us about

931
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Speaker 1: three forty or so. Good stuff from him on Rudy Gobert,

932
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Speaker 1: Good stuff from him on not even knowing what Rudy

933
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Speaker 1: had said to reporters, brilliant, which was pretty funny, and

934
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Speaker 1: a little bit about what he sees regarding the connectedness

935
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Speaker 1: of your favorite basketball team. The question is always how

936
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Speaker 1: long it will last. But they're probably playing over all

937
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Speaker 1: their best stretch of basketball right now. Glenn Mason at

938
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Speaker 1: four with a testimonial to my Indiana football Hoosiers and

939
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Speaker 1: a couple of other stories, but a lot on that.

940
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Speaker 1: Really what did he nickname the guy who wasn't lou

941
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Speaker 1: Nanny Joey D Joey D of Idyna and the guests

942
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Speaker 1: assumed that he met Louis, but.

943
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Speaker 2: He said he wasn't. No mocking Louie.

944
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Speaker 6: No, but Mace was with us between four and four

945
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Speaker 6: to thirty. Some guy that he told to listen, they're

946
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Speaker 6: probably playing golf tomorrow.

947
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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I'm sure that's what a lot of it is. Yeah,

948
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Speaker 2: he's always got some friend. He needs to shout.

949
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Speaker 1: Out Blair Anderson, former Saint Cloud police chief, on the

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Speaker 1: subject of the day.

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Speaker 2: He joined about four point thirty.

952
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Speaker 1: A lot of people agreed with him, some people not

953
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Speaker 1: so much, but that's why he's such.

954
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Speaker 2: An effective guest.

955
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Speaker 1: In addition, former US Attorney Andy Lueger joined by phone

956
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Speaker 1: at five oh two. He hates being on by phone,

957
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: but today it was necessary because of some other arrangements.

958
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: We'll try to get him in studio soon. A luger

959
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: a reaction to the shooting today. Part of it with

960
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: him was less willing to take a stand on what

961
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Speaker 1: took place, perish the thought that he might want to

962
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Speaker 1: wait five minutes, get more information and let the story

963
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Speaker 1: play out a little bit, and more on how the

964
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Speaker 1: investigation might go forward.

965
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Speaker 2: And then we got back to the governor.

966
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Speaker 1: Wall's decision yesterday with Andy between five and five thirty,

967
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Kessler with us from five thirty until just a few

968
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Speaker 1: moments ago. Tomorrow is going to be a busy show,

969
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Speaker 1: as it turns out as well. Sean Salisbury is I

970
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: think scheduled or confirmed for three point thirty. We'll do

971
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: his post mortem on the vikings and maybe give him

972
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Speaker 1: a chance to talk about the wildcard round of the

973
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Speaker 1: National Football League playoffs and all the coaching openings.

974
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Speaker 2: I think now up to seven for the moment at least.

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Speaker 1: In addition, Russo Radio is scheduled for tomorrow, and a

976
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Speaker 1: number of people had asked how quickly we would have

977
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Speaker 1: Michael Hurley on to talk international geopolitics. There's so much

978
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Speaker 1: to get to that we've barely covered, regarding South America,

979
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Speaker 1: regarding Greenland, regarding Cuba, and who knows what else. Mike

980
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: Curley is going to join us tomorrow, you mentioned likely

981
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Speaker 1: between four and five or that probably makes the most sense,

982
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: and we'll get to hockey with Russo tonight. I mean

983
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: it is I'm not call it the abyss, but the

984
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: seasonal boost is over. Vikings programming obviously has come to

985
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: an end because their season, Yeah is over, correct, it

986
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: is over.

987
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 6: I think the main principles for the Vikings are talking tomorrow, KOC.

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: That's true.

989
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: We might get some for sure. Are they the only

990
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Speaker 2: two speaking? I don't know. As far as we know,

991
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Speaker 2: I don't be true.

992
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Tonight Fan and de Man will follow this program and

993
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: then it will be wild weekly.

994
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: Is that an hour show or two hours?

995
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 6: That's thirty. Well, that show should be an hon I know,

996
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 6: and usually if Fallness is in charge, like just eighteen

997
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 6: and they just rerun so reracks. So let's hear Joe

998
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 6: O'Donnell talking with brock Faber after the victory two nights ago.

999
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good what about haven't they like? Hasn't

1000
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: he run the bill? His latest Bill Garran interview like

1001
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: seven times?

1002
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 6: I know exactly how Garen feels about picking Team USA

1003
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Speaker 6: because I've heard it multiple times more than Sarah Spain.

1004
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: We'll try to get Garon.

1005
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 1: Back maybe next week as well, and we can talk

1006
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: about the Olympics selections. It's got to be good to

1007
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: be Bill Garon right now, right in a sense because

1008
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: he makes the big move, it gets a lot of attention.

1009
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Speaker 1: Team is you know, notwithstanding what happened the other day

1010
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: against the Kings, the club is in a pretty good

1011
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: position compared to what it was several weeks ago. And

1012
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Speaker 1: he's mister Olympics right. Yeah, Now you got to go

1013
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: in the golden middle of everything. That's the pressure, that's

1014
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: the pressure of it. But it's gonna be I'm sure

1015
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: it's going to be fun to go to Italy and

1016
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: hang out. Yeah, that's a good point. Now that's the

1017
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: thing we need to talk to. We have to get

1018
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: him on on a regular basis from Italy. He's got

1019
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Speaker 1: to find a way to find time for us to

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Speaker 1: do that. I got to do that every day. Well

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Speaker 1: he's there too. Yeah, he's covering the women I believe outstanding.

1022
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Speaker 1: That's what used to do. We milk the hell out

1023
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Speaker 1: of both of those stories. We're big Olympics guys on

1024
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Speaker 1: this show, so I'd love to get the time or

1025
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Speaker 1: two with with Aaron and we know we can count

1026
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Speaker 1: on Russo Radio like.

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Speaker 6: We did with Cheryl Reeve last summer or the Paris Olympics,

1028
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 6: some great conversations about the team, how they picked the players,

1029
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Speaker 6: it was some of my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Should have run those for best of almost Fran targeted

1031
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Speaker 1: like you're right about that. Ordinarily, without the tragedy of

1032
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Speaker 1: earlier today, we probably would have spent some time on

1033
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Speaker 1: the Golden Gopher men's basketball upset victory at home against

1034
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Speaker 1: another ranked team.

1035
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Speaker 2: Was it Iowa rank nineteen?

1036
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Speaker 1: They were, and they held on three straight three pointers,

1037
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Speaker 1: the second one in and out It was that would

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Speaker 1: have tied the game, perhaps sending an ot and the

1039
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Speaker 1: Gophers prevail. Still are we still playing like six and

1040
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Speaker 1: a half people? Yes, it's exactly amazing. Yeah, so I

1041
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: am going to try to get uh see if we

1042
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Speaker 1: can get Eric squeeze Eric Musselman in tomorrow too, if

1043
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Speaker 1: at all possible, because his USC Trojan team is in town.

1044
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Speaker 1: We've had a good relationship with Eric over the years.

1045
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: Would be good to catch up with him. We'll see

1046
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: if we can get that done. So it might add

1047
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Speaker 1: to an already very busy show, but we're full three

1048
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Speaker 1: and a half tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: There's no Minnesota Vikings podcasts, none of.

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Speaker 2: That, none of it. That's very unfortunate. And we have

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Speaker 2: no leaders.

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Speaker 1: Is there any Are there any rumors circulating regarding b flow,

1053
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: regarding a specific head coaching job, I haven't seen. Everybody

1054
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Speaker 1: seems to think the Raiders would make the most sense,

1055
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Speaker 1: But then do you want to be there?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: I mean the Raiders are a mess. Who's there? You

1058
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback there, dude, that's part of the problem. Yeah,

1059
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: unless break their best quarterback he is, maybe he would

1060
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: come back. Who's to say?

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for listening, thanks for watching, and

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Speaker 1: we will check with you tomorrow. Begin at three o'clock

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Speaker 1: right here on the worldwide leader the Faith Need America