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Speaker 2: Hopefully you have survived the snow. Hopefully you've gotten gotten through.

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Speaker 2: I want to live the charmed life of a Patriots

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Speaker 2: He didn't climb a sixteen hundred foot skyscraper without a

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Speaker 2: But you know what, we didn't make the right decision.

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Speaker 2: And Mike Vrabel a better coach. Right, did a great

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Speaker 2: Will see twenty eight minutes after three o'clock. Bengals have

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Speaker 2: headlines and a very disappointing performance in tenp on Saturday

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Speaker 2: yours for life, kelseyshev dot com. College basketball, the Miami

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Speaker 2: RedHawks up to twenty fourth in the latest AP Top

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Speaker 2: twenty five Men's College Basketball poll. The RedHawks did not

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Speaker 2: play this weekend. Miami will host UMass tomorrow night at

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Speaker 2: A couple of other notes. The Richard Patino Radio show,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of hockey, the Cincinnati Cyclones on Saturday, they had

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Speaker 2: from four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. The Miami

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Speaker 2: you played last Tuesday a thriller at Kent State. What

434
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: is what is practice like in season, especially when you're

435
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: coming off a couple of overtime games, When you have

436
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: that much time between games during the year.

437
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think number one, you want to sharpen your saw.

438
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: You know, some things maybe that that I didn't like,

439
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 3: that I haven't liked with our team the last you know,

440
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: a few games, you look for patterns and and and

441
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 3: so we really focused on a few things systematically to

442
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: get better. But you also got to keep them in shape.

443
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: Right during the season, you worry about you know, you

444
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: want to get your guys up and down to keep

445
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 3: that cardio going because you can lose it very very

446
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: very quickly. So just sharpening our saw more than anything,

447
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: getting healthy as well a little bit of it. We

448
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: took a couple of days off, but really focused in

449
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: on our defensive system.

450
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: Right now, what would that be you talked about the

451
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 2: things you haven't liked, would that be on defense?

452
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: Where you would start?

453
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like, listen, we're scoring and we haven't

454
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 3: even shot the ball well and we're still scoring over

455
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: one hundred points in the last three games in each

456
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: of them. And but like we got to get better,

457
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, just just our execution of our traps, execution

458
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: of our defensive rebounding, block out, being more physical. Just

459
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: those are a few of the trends that that we

460
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: saw kind of the last three games that we got

461
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: to get fixed if we want to continue to get

462
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: wins here moving forward.

463
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: You know, you you go to overtime and you know,

464
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: Ian Elmer hits the shot against Buffalo, you win that

465
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: game at a home You then go to Kent State.

466
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: That was an event, right, I mean they were ready

467
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: for you. And when you get that number next to

468
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: your name and you and I talked talked about this

469
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. You know, you you take

470
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: everybody's best shot. The Golden Flashes were ready for you.

471
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: You played great in the first half, the game goes

472
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: to overtime. Give me an idea of what you're telling

473
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: your guys after things unfolded the way they did those

474
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: those second twenty minutes before you go to the extra frame.

475
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is we're taking the show on the road.

476
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: We want to play five more minutes. Man, this is great.

477
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: This is that environment was elite. I mean it was

478
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: sold out. I'd never seen Kent State sold out. You know,

479
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: my four is my fourth year there, but it was.

480
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 3: They were going to store in the court, they were

481
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: their students were already. There was a lot of free beer,

482
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: and I wish I could get a free beer out

483
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: there too, mo. I mean, like maybe after I told

484
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: Rob's center office and can get can I get one?

485
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: But it was you know, it's fun, man, Like, this

486
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: is what we were, which is what you played college

487
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 3: athletics for, to be in those moments, those environments. Our

488
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: guys love to compete. Our guys were excited to play

489
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: that last overtime clip and we felt like we had

490
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: all the momentum and we had been in these situations

491
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: before where we felt like there was an advantage Miami.

492
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: It's advantage having Peter Sooter on your team, and you

493
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: know he makes he makes the shot to beat Buffalo.

494
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: It's felt at times, and he's been great all year long,

495
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: but these last two you know, your team has had

496
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: stretches where he's kind of had to put it offensively

497
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 2: at least on his back. Walk me through you get

498
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: him from Bellermann. Walk me through the decision to bring

499
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: him to Oxford.

500
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 3: You know, we played them my first year here at

502
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: Miami and we were we were dreadful, but we beat them,

503
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: and I'll never forget. During the middle of the I

504
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: leaned over to our staff, I said, Fellas, why isn't

505
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: he here he needs to be at Miami and it's funny,

506
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, life comes full circle. He enters the portal

507
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: and this is a true story. Mo, I actually just

508
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: received the commitment from a kid. I drove eight hours

509
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: in a car to go get a commitment from another

510
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: transfer and I'm on my way back home and I see, Hey,

511
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: Peter Souter just enters the transfer portal and I tell

512
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: our staff, I said, Fellas, I'm gonna call this kid

513
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: that we just got this commitment from. I'm telling him

514
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm out, and I'm gonna go all in on Pete.

515
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: I know I want Pete. That's the guy I want.

516
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: I haven't even talked to Peter's Souter yet. I didn't

517
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: even know he'd have any interest, but I knew who

518
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: I wanted, right And so I called the kid, told him, hey, hey, listen,

519
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to go a different direction. And I

520
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: called Peter suiter and I said, hey, listen, want to

521
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: get you on campus immediately. And he was on campus

522
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: probably within a week and a half. And he committed

523
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 3: while he was on campus. But I knew exactly who

524
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: he wanted. He is the ultimate winner, like he won

525
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: in high school. He went to Carmel High School, won

526
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: a couple of state titles there. Just play so hard

527
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: like you feel, Peter, and he's an incredible teammate leader,

528
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: has a knack for the big moment, like you said,

529
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: like he knows when to take games over. I knew

530
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: what he could become. Now you looked at his shooting percentage.

531
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: He shot below thirty percent from three. I think I

532
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: was twenty eight percent during his last season at Bellerman.

533
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: But I knew he could become a better shooter. I thought,

534
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: I felt like I could help him in that area,

535
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 3: and we really sold him on that and he's put

536
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: all the time in. He's become a very good shooter.

537
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: Obviously here at Miami.

538
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: You mentioned the first season and when you took the

539
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: job at Oxford, you were kind enough to come on

540
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: and you said it like, mo I got my hands full, right,

541
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: I mean it was this was this wasn't going to

542
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: be overnight, and this wasn't going to be easy. And

543
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: I know your program maybe isn't where you want it,

544
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: although twenty and oh is a really good place. When

545
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: you think back to that first season, give me some

546
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: thoughts on what it was like then to now. And

547
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: what it's taken you and taken this program to go

548
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: from what it was that first year, and it was

549
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: a rough go to where you guys are right now

550
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: ranked and undefeated here in late January.

551
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: You know, the first thing I would say is you

552
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: got to make sure you get the right people in

553
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: the room. And I had a great staff, and I

554
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: was very confident of that, even though maybe we weren't

555
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: getting the results that we wanted year one. We're just

556
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: trying to lay the foundation and get our culture established,

557
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: recruit to our culture, get some of our young guys

558
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: some experience. I knew it was going to be a

559
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: rebuild at Miami, probably a little bit more than what

560
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: I'd even anticipated. Just you never know what's under the

561
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: hood until you open it up right. And from a

562
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 3: culture standpoint, we really had to grow. I knew from

563
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: a talent standpoint we had to grow. From a marketing base,

564
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: we had to grow. We had nobody attending our games. Shoot,

565
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: we had my wife, Amanda, and our and our two

566
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: kids at the time. We have three kids now since,

567
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: but but there are two kids. I mean, we had

568
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: about ten fifteen fans in the stands, it felt like,

569
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: And so it was. We knew it was gonna be

570
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: a complete rebuild, and we played. Listen, we did the

571
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 3: long game. I told David Saylor athleft director, We're going

572
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: to play the long game. We're gonna recruit high school,

573
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna play freshmen. We're gonna get them better. We

574
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: may take some lumps, but just stick with me a

575
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: little bit here. It's going to probably take till year

576
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: three and year three. Obviously, last year we won twenty

577
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: five games, set a single season record at Miami for

578
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: wins in a season, and then we were able to

579
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: retain a lot of those guys, you know, Mo and

580
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: and going in here to year four and it's led

581
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: to obviously a really good start here to this season.

582
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: And you know, but the goals not to be twenty

583
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: to zero, the goals not to be top twenty five

584
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: or whatever that is. And you know, the goal is

585
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: can we advance in the intet of play tournament. And

586
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: in order to do that, we have to continue to

587
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: get better as the season goes on. We have to

588
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: be obsessed with trajectory over the results. And I love

589
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: this streak that we're on, but at the end of

590
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: the day, that the key for us is the trajectory piece,

591
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: and as a program holistically and as a season as well,

592
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: it kind of as the season goes on. So I've

593
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: been proud of the growth that we've made obviously, but

594
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: there's still a lot more to attain obviously here moving forward.

595
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: You know, it was striking to me watching the Kent

596
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: State game and you talked about, you know, getting people interested,

597
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: getting people to come to Mallet Hall, and watching that

598
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: game at Kent State, there's lots of red behind your bench,

599
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: and maybe that's always the case when you play up there.

600
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are Miami alums in northeast Ohio that

601
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: comes see the Red Hawks when they play at Kent

602
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: State or at Akron, But a little bit different when

603
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: you guys have the record you had going into that game,

604
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: and I know that's translated to folks coming to Mallett Hall.

605
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: It's probably not where you want it to be. But

606
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: are you noticing that the Miami community, whether it's folks

607
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: on campus, the alumni base, people here in this part

608
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: of the part of the state, do you notice the

609
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: momentum building in terms of interest?

610
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: I do, you know, I think obviously we're getting a

611
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: lot of publicity right now. Our guys are and they

612
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: deserve it.

613
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Man.

614
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: We got great players, great human beings in our locker room,

615
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: and I think our alumni basis obviously very excited right now.

616
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 3: And you know, wherever we've gone, it's been a day

617
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: Nearest sellout, Bowling Green, Toledo, Kent State, right State, and

618
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: we're getting everybody's best shot. And I think here, you know,

619
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: we haven't even had students here oh yet for the

620
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: second semester. So our class was supposed to be today,

621
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: it got canceled first day back. You know, I'm sure

622
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: they're all excited. I'm sure they're up at Brick the

623
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: Bar up there with the Wiseman's, you know, but they

624
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: probably having a great time, you know. But they the

625
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: Buffalo game, we had an incredible crowd with no students.

626
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: I was really really pleased, Akron. We had a great

627
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: crowd with no students. And you see it building now.

628
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, I think we had a couple

629
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: of thousand tickets already downloaded by our students for tomorrow

630
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: night's game for UMass, which we never had, you know,

631
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: so you do feel this it mounting, right And I'm

632
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: so excited because I want. I'm hopeful that that everybody

633
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: can see what a successful men's basketball program can do

634
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: for a community of Oxford or Miami, the alumni, the students,

635
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: and we want to be able to give the students

636
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: an incredible experience. And I'm excited because you can't see

637
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: it definitely mounting. Man, you can see the excitement building,

638
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: which is great.

639
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: I think you had and I think it was the

640
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: central mission game. I think you had the swimming and

641
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: diving team in uniform. Yes, there's not much of a

642
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: uniform right behind the other team's basket. I thought what

643
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: we could do is maybe I could join them and

644
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: then wear something similar.

645
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: If you'd like, man, that'd be the biggest distraction ever.

646
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: There'd be no way that opponent's going to make a

647
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: free throw. I may be distracted over there. I'd be like,

648
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: oh my goodness, gracious, what is that? A big shout

649
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: out to our swim and dive team, though, that was incredible.

650
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: I told them after the game, I said, hey, listen,

651
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: really appreciate it. I said, we will return the favor.

652
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: We will show up to a to one of your meets,

653
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: but we will not be dressed in speedos. You know,

654
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: we'll be fully clothed, probably.

655
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: For the best, probably for all parties involved. Yes, the

656
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: offer remains on the table. Nine o'clock tomorrow against UMass,

657
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: Saturday Alumni Day and one Miami Day. It's gonna be

658
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: a great day in the Miami campus, Mallett Hall. That's

659
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: Northern Illinois in town a three thirty tip off. I

660
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: you don't often get college basketball coaches to come visit

661
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: in studio the day before a game. So you got practice,

662
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: you got all that stuff. Walk me through the the

663
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: day game eve routine for you and your staff and

664
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: your team.

665
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we practice every day at one thirty.

666
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: It's a great practice slot. My goodness, man, I love it,

667
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: as Xavier made all those years we were at three thirty.

668
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: I love the one thirty slot. But we'll go one

669
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: thirty to three thirty. We'll watch film right afterwards. We

670
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: may have a walk through in the evening, or we'll

671
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: have a dinner as a team as well, just tightening

672
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: things up and then going into the We always have

673
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: curfew the night before game, you know, at ten pm.

674
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: And then we get up the next morning and our

675
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: guys will go to class mo and and and then

676
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: We'll have a shoot around five hours before the game

677
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: at two pm every game, and then we have a

678
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 3: meal right after that, and then then we play the game.

679
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: So the Hayes in the barn so to speak.

680
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're kind of like in the middle of

681
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: the dog days of the season where the end is

682
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: far away, the beginning is way in the rear view mirror.

683
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: And maybe not with this team, but is whether it's

684
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: this year in the past, is this the time of

685
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: year where you find it hard sometimes to get everybody

686
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: to lock in just because we're.

687
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: Kind of stuck, it's snowing out, it's rough.

688
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: You know, you guys have gone weeks without the kids

689
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: on campus and it can be kind of hard to

690
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: get the guys to concentrate. Maybe that's not an issue

691
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: with this team, but hasn't been in the past.

692
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you see weird scores in college basketball

693
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: in late January early February. Is it's it's the dog

694
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 3: days of the season. We've been going at it since June.

695
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: I mean basketball is almost year round now, and then

696
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: you start getting these people tampering with your players, right,

697
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: I mean, people start thinking about what's next for them, right,

698
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: coaches do too, I mean coaches do players do And

699
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: it's like, man, can you just live in the moment,

700
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: be present where your feet are? You know? And and

701
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: it's so hard for the world to do with the

702
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: landscape that we're in. But that's that's what's uh, that's

703
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 3: what's required. That's what's required. And our team has zero

704
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: issue with it. This year's team and last year's team

705
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: was the same. But I've had teams or it's hard

706
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: and again, you have to fight that human nature, right,

707
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's assistant coaches trying to get head

708
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: coaching opportunities, whether it's you know, NFL is doing the

709
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: same thing. Man, they're playing NFL playoff games and they

710
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: got assistance interviewing for for head job opportunities. You want

711
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: those for those guys, But do they then do they

712
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: become just a little less distracted, you know, or more

713
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: distracted on the mission? You know? It gets hard, man,

714
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: to keep everybody moving in the same direction for the

715
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: especially during these dog days.

716
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: Where we are in college basketball to me is weird.

717
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: And I know you got to go because I think

718
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: the on court product is awesome, but it's chaotic, man,

719
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: And the cool thing about your team is ten players

720
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: from last year, and so you feel like you can

721
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: establish a connection with the guys on your team because

722
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: they develop a connection to the university. That doesn't mean

723
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: you don't want transfers. We just talked about one of them.

724
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: But the era we're in in college basketball, I think

725
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: a lot of fans go, you know what's it's not

726
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: as fun and it's not as easy to follow the

727
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: sport as a whole with all the movement, and we're

728
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: bringing in dudes who have played in the G League before.

729
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: If I put you in charge of the sport, how

730
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: do you fix it?

731
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, that's a great question. See, I think we

732
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: keep on waiting on government, and I don't think that's

733
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: the answer. I really don't.

734
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 4: Now.

735
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: I know, obviously there's always a lawsuit away, but there's

736
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: got to be some parameters. Man, There's got to be

737
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: some common sense. There's a lot of rules I think

738
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: that you could throw in there, Like I think one

739
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: transfer makes sense, having a free transfer. I think more

740
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: than that. I just don't know if that's if we're

741
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: about student athletes, about young men graduating, I don't know

742
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: if that makes a whole lot of sense unless maybe

743
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: there's a coaching change, Maybe you get another one. I

744
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: think get make sure that agents are are are licensed

745
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: through the INC. Double as another big ones. You don't

746
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: just have you know, like Mo Mo, you could be

747
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: an agent right now. It's crazy. You don't have to

748
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: have any sure And I'm not saying you wouldn't be

749
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: good or bad. I'm just saying you could just start

750
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: dming kids or text messaging guys. Yeah, I'm telling you, like,

751
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 3: that's what happens. Like you just have these random people

752
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: who don't know what they're doing, and they're getting twenty

753
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: percent of these kids in IL or whatever at REV

754
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: Share and it's just insane. And I just think there's

755
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: there's a few things that can happen that I think

756
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: are are that takes a little bit of common sense

757
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: that I think could really help it. Like you said,

758
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: we're a little I'm still holding on a little bit

759
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: to the old model. I do think think like obviously

760
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: nil is a thing, right, REV shares a thing. But

761
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: I do think experience matters for these young men. I

762
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: think it matters, man. I think the culture matters. I

763
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: think the development matters, winning matters, relationships. I think that

764
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: stuff really really matters, man, because I think that's why

765
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: our guys of States is just the connectivity that they

766
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: have amongst our program and the experience. Like you're there's

767
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: no recruiting pitch I'm gonna give a guy after the

768
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: season that's going to keep them. It's their experience. Was

769
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: it good or was it bad? I mean, it's it's

770
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: essentially it's that, And so I do think it puts coaches.

771
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: You gotta be honest with kids and you got to

772
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: treat them right and you know, almost like for I

773
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: got my son plays basketball Winston. He's in seventh grade

774
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: at Summit Country Day, and it's like, man, I just

775
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: want him to have a great experience. Do what I

776
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: want my son to be coached by me? You know

777
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: what I mean? I tell our staff that every day,

778
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: like do we treat guys the right way or giving

779
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: them the graded college exp student athlete experience that we

780
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: promised them, you know? And I think it's good to

781
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 3: hold our feet to the fire.

782
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: Well said, I know you have a lot going on.

783
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: Can't thank you enough. Congratulations on what you've done so

784
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: far this season. Best of luck tomorrow, this weekend, the

785
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: rest of the year, hopefully we can do it again,

786
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: and uh you know, I'll see if I go find

787
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: this beeato.

788
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, coach, Thanks Mo, Travis Steele.

789
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: The RedHawks home tomorrow night, nine o'clock tip off agains

790
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: you masked it on Saturday for Alumni Day and one

791
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Miami Day is Miami takes on Northern Illinois, both games

792
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: at Mallett Hall. It is four o'clock on ESPN fifteen

793
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

794
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: Five after four. Thank you for listening. I have told

795
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: the roads are okay.

796
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: And when I say I am told, my wife just

797
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: told me the roads were okay and her drive home

798
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: from work.

799
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: So do what you want with that.

800
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: I am as your herd coach. Deal and I talk

801
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: about broadcasting from my house. More on that here in

802
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: just a bit while we are on college basketball. I

803
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: did not get a chance to do this in the

804
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: three o'clock hour. Obviously, it was a pretty busy weekend

805
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: for a lot of area schools. Tony and I were

806
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: talking about Xavier's game against Saint John's where at the

807
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: half I think he kind of waited for the other

808
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: shoe to drop. The Red Storm have re entered the

809
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: ap top twenty five fourteen second chance points in the

810
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: second half. You kind of just had the sense no

811
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: pun intended the storm was coming. Trey Carroll was terrific.

812
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: He did not have a lot of offensive help. Rick

813
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: Patino obviously wins his nine hundredth game. I thought Xavier

814
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: was just outmanned. I'm not even sure necessarily out toughed.

815
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Saint John's is bigger, Saint John's has more depth in

816
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: the front court, and they were supposed to win the

817
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: game and they did. I maintain that if you're a

818
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: Xavier fan, you should feel like we got our guy.

819
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: When it comes to who the head coach is. They

820
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: have offensively carved out an identity where they are really,

821
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: really good in the open floor, and obviously they've made

822
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: a ton of threes this year. A disappointing loss. Richard

823
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Patino after the game did not sound like a disappointed

824
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: head coach. Wes Miller late on Saturday night sounded like

825
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: a coach who is at a loss for answers. And

826
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: you could, to a degree understand why U SEE has

827
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: had a disappointing season.

828
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: There's no getting around that.

829
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: And with every loss, and maybe with every game, it

830
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: just advances the conversation about what's gonna happen when this

831
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: season ends. There's six weeks to go Big Twelve Tournament.

832
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: It is impossible to imagine the Bearcats playing in any

833
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: sort of postseason tournament beyond that, And if the season

834
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: continues its current trajectory, nobody's gonna be surprised if Wes

835
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: Miller is no longer the head coach. In an NCUBLEA

836
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: tournament or bust season, when your team has ten losses

837
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: before the calendar flips from January to February, it's impossible

838
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 2: to ignore the elephant in the room, which is what's

839
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: gonna happen with Wes. And I don't expect him to

840
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: lose his job during the season. I don't think that's

841
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: gonna happen.

842
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure that that does any good.

843
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: But uh, they're ten and ten and nc DOUBLEAU, NCBA

844
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: tournament or bust season means you got to make the

845
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: tournament and they're not going to barring something completely and

846
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: totally miraculous. I think though, if you're a Bearcat fan,

847
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: what you have been hoping for is that they could

848
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: at least be relevant enough and interesting enough to add

849
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: to the West Miller conversation actual basketball, right, Like, there

850
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: are good conversations about what's gonna happen with Wes, who

851
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: the next head coach may be, what they're gonna look

852
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: for when they look for a new head coach, Like,

853
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: all these things are relevant. Wes, I'm sure would be

854
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: the first to agree with that. What you have been

855
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: hoping for, at least what I've been hoping for as

856
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: a Bearcat fan, is they could play well enough for

857
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: us to not ignore the basketball part of this.

858
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: And for a while, that's what was happening.

859
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: You know, even in the games they lost, right the

860
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: Houston game, the UCF game, West Virginia.

861
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: They were right there.

862
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: They were right there in those games, and you could

863
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: discuss late game strategy, and you could discuss the actual

864
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: game itself and some of the ins and outs. And

865
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: then obviously that happened when they beat Colorado and they

866
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: beat Iowa State, and even to a degree the Arizona game,

867
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: you kind of just said, all right, fine, you know

868
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: that's the number one team in a country. They were

869
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: gonna have to play perfect in order to beat them.

870
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: There are just certain games in the Big Twelve that

871
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: you're probably not gonna win, compete in the ones that

872
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: you have a chance in. I didn't think in the

873
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: second half of that game on Saturday, the Bearcats competed.

874
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: And get mad at me for saying it. I don't

875
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: know that there's any other conclusion that you could draw.

876
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: I think for the first nineteen games of the season,

877
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 2: for the most part, if you've watched the Bearcats play,

878
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: you have thought the efforts there and maybe that's not

879
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: enough for you, because it's not enough for me. The

880
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: effort's supposed to be there. This is a bottom line business.

881
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: Do you win, do you lose?

882
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: But you've been able to I think fairly criticize performance

883
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: and outcome. I don't think anybody's been able to fairly

884
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: criticize effort intensity.

885
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: I thought on Saturday those things dipped.

886
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: A little bit focus and I think one of the

887
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: fears is and maybe Saturday proves to be a one off,

888
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: but I think one thing you fear is you know

889
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: when's when's human nature going to take over.

890
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: We just had Travis Steel on the show.

891
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: His team is twenty and zero and they've won their

892
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: last two games in overtime and they needed some like

893
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: late in regulation and in overtime heroics to win those

894
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: two games. Maybe they accomplished this, Maybe they finished the

895
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: season undefeated. Maybe they win the MAC. Maybe they have

896
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: an unblemished mark going into the NCAA Tournament. There's still

897
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: a better than average chance they lose a game at

898
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: least between now in Cleveland, and if they do, I

899
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: think you're gonna look at that loss and go, Okay,

900
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: did human nature take over for a night? Hey, We've won, However,

901
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: many games in a row, and there's a lot of

902
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: attention and a lot of hype, and maybe the focus

903
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: hasn't necessarily been there in the short term to the

904
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: extent that it was back in November and December and

905
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: early in January. I have heard many head coaches of

906
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: many programs that have won a lot of games out

907
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: of the gate, that have had a high ranking, maybe

908
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: the highest ranking in their program history, and I've heard

909
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: them talk about the challenge of keeping everybody focused on

910
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: what's next, all the excitement swirling over March and the

911
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: tournament and what's the seed gonna be and all of

912
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: that stuff, right, And I've heard coaches say, like, not

913
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: so much. We needed to lose in order to humble ourselves,

914
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 2: or we needed to lose in order to learn something,

915
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: but like, maybe.

916
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: The loss will allow us to get refocused.

917
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: And so I think for Travis Steele, one of the

918
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: challenges is gonna be like, you know, human nature is

919
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: gonna set in. Hey we're undefeated, We've got bigger fish

920
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: to fry. This season is only gonna be a success

921
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 2: if we make the NCAA tournament. And maybe our only

922
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: path to the NCAA Tournament is by winning the Mac Tournament,

923
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: which we lost in the final in heartbreaking fashion last year.

924
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: So you're trying to keep human nature from taking over.

925
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: He's trying to keep his team locked in for tomorrow

926
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: night against UMAs, he's trying to keep his team locked

927
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: in for the next practice. I think human nature can

928
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: can be an enemy. I think if you're on a

929
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: team that is not as good Cincinnati is ten to ten,

930
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: the conversation aren't so much about making the tournament. The

931
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: conversations that are out there that are swirling are about

932
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: the future of the head coach and what may be next,

933
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: and then along with that questions about the individual players

934
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: and their futures. And so I think what has been

935
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: pretty impressive, and I've gone out of my way to

936
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: point this out. I think amid all of that, this team,

937
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: for the most part, has looked pretty focused. That was

938
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: and I was far from alone, but like that was

939
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: my takeaway after the Iowa State game, Like, hey man,

940
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: lots of stuff going on and maybe not a ton

941
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: to play for. Maybe the NCAA tournament's a pipe dream.

942
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: Maybe the outcome for Wes Miller is unchanged relative to

943
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: what everybody was assuming when they lost their first three

944
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: Big Twelve games, But at least the team's focus hasn't waivered.

945
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: At least they've.

946
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: Still remained locked in. At least it appears they're still

947
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: playing for each other. And if you're playing for each other,

948
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: you're playing for something. I think that was evident on Saturday.

949
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: That didn't look like a very focused team. Now. In

950
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: order for the Bearcats to beat teams in the Big Twelve,

951
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: whether it's the best team in the country like Arizona,

952
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: one of the very best teams in the country like

953
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: Houston who they play on Saturday on the road, or

954
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: a bottom of the pack Big twelve team with its

955
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: own head coaching questions like Arizona State, you see is

956
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: often gonna have to be better than they have been

957
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: all season on the offensive end, and we talked about

958
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: this last Thursday after they played Arizona, that you see

959
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: was gonna have to be great from behind the arc,

960
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: they weren't. They were gonna have to be awesome at

961
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: limiting turnovers, they were not. They were gonna have to

962
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: be really really good on the defensive glass they were not.

963
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: They were gonna have to be more efficient on the

964
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: offensive end, they were not. And if you're not those things,

965
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: even the stuff you do well isn't gonna matter against

966
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 2: a team like Arizona. Against Arizona State, I didn't think

967
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: it was so much about raw execution. Although they had

968
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: defensive breakdowns, it's not the first time this year we've

969
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: seen an individual player for a UC opponent go off

970
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: with the Bearcats no real answer for it. They had

971
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: fifteen turnovers, and while the frontcourt guys I thought played

972
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: really well, they didn't get any of any help from

973
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: their guards. And you could look at the box score

974
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: and endraw that conclusion. You could look at Gisel James

975
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: and dayd A. Thomas and just look at the lines

976
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: next to their name and reasonably conclude those guys had

977
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: bad games. But when I watched the game, and if

978
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: you stayed up Saturday, if you watch the game on Saturday,

979
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm guessing you walked away from from that game with

980
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: the same conclusion that I had, which was, this team

981
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: didn't seem as locked in, this team didn't seem focused.

982
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: And now you wonder, with the remainder of the Big

983
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: twelve in front of them. This is late February, this

984
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: is late January. They still have eleven regular season games

985
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: to go, how many more times will we see that?

986
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: How many more times will we see that?

987
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: Because the one thing to this point, to Saturday, you've

988
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: been able to cling to, the one thing you can

989
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: hang your hat on. And the one thing that I

990
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: think Wes Miller could claim is my team's focus has

991
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: been there. We've gone us against the world, We've played hard,

992
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: the effort has been there. I don't know that he

993
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: could say that after Saturday, And if Saturday becomes a

994
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: little bit more so the rule and less the exception,

995
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: then you then you kind of wonder, like, how rough

996
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 2: might this get over the final eleven regular season games.

997
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: I thought on Saturday that they've had some really, really

998
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: disappointing losses. Xavier Eastern Michigan. I didn't love the hole

999
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: they dug themselves into against Clemson, though they came back

1000
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: and nearly forced overtime. Any of the out comes in

1001
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: Big twelve games, you know, Arizona just the vastly better team,

1002
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: the clear cut number one team in the country, which

1003
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 2: won its next game by thirty five points over West Virginia. Fine,

1004
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: they got blown out by the number one team.

1005
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: In the country. I thought.

1006
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: To lose by fourteen on the road against Arizona State

1007
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: and in the second half kind of make it seem

1008
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 2: like they're just going through the motions was I thought,

1009
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: very very disappointing. And we'll see how they bounce back.

1010
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: They play again on Wednesday against Baylor, and maybe that performance,

1011
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 2: maybe that lack of focus, maybe that effort, will prove

1012
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: to be the outlier. But on Saturday was the first

1013
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: time that I wondered whether or not human nature is

1014
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: gonna be a factor, And we'll see if it is

1015
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 2: moving forward.

1016
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was against the Sun Devils seventeen minutes

1017
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: after four o'clock.

1018
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty is our

1019
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: phone number in eight sixty six seven two three seven

1020
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: seven six works as well, we have a lot of

1021
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: ground to cover. I talked extensively on Friday about the

1022
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: Reds and just the weirdness of this offseason. I maintained

1023
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: the Reds offseason has been bizarre. Where they went, you know,

1024
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: went hard after a dude who had fifty six home

1025
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: runs last year, and then since then very little you

1026
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: can read about the Reds being connected to a handful

1027
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: of other players. But the Reds are waiting. I have

1028
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: a question about their waiting game next on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1029
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,799
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1030
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,160
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1031
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,840
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1032
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: could set us as a preset. ESPN fifteen thirty podcasts

1033
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,319
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1034
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: plays to post up this college basketball season than long

1035
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: Neck sports Grill. No better plays to post up this

1036
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,880
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1037
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,480
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1038
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: tons of cold beer. Long Necks Sports Grill. On Friday,

1039
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about the Reds and the offseason

1040
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: They've had, and you can find folks who will make

1041
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: excuses for them. You can find folks who have reached

1042
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: a point of just total exhaustion with them. But the

1043
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: off season isn't done. I've been told that too. Hey,

1044
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: the off season's not done. Just because they haven't added

1045
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: a significant bat in more than three and a half

1046
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: months doesn't mean that you should draw any conclusions. Wait

1047
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: and see what's gonna happen. Spring training is still a

1048
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: couple of weeks away.

1049
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: Okay. Cool.

1050
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Reading Ken Rosenthal last week The Athletic so he reports

1051
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: the Reds are interested in both Austin Hayes bringing him

1052
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: back and a Uhanea Soarez bringing him back. With the

1053
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: caveat though that the Reds need to know a little

1054
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: bit more about their TV situation, and they need to

1055
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: know a little bit more about the revenues that they

1056
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: would pull in from their TV situation. The Reds TV

1057
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: situation is in limbo. Reds are one of I think

1058
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 2: nine teams that have opted out of their current deal

1059
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 2: with the FanDuel Sports Network.

1060
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: And.

1061
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: We'll see if Fandual Sports Network can come up with

1062
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: a way to keep the rights. We'll see if the

1063
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: Reds do what other MLB teams have done, which is

1064
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: to have a Major League Baseball produced the games, and

1065
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: then we'll see if that's the case what the revenue

1066
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: impact of that is. On one hand, you can understand

1067
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: when there's uncertainty, you have to wait, Hey, we need

1068
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: to see this through. We need to see what our

1069
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 2: TV revenue is going to be. On the other hand,

1070
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: do you expect the other teams to wait? Like, let's

1071
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: just say and say, yo, Hanio Suarez, who I think

1072
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: the team he has been connected to the most? It

1073
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: has been the Pittsburgh Pirates, Which that's a bizarre dynamic

1074
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: because the Reds acquired key Brian Hayes and the dude

1075
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: the Pirates effectively replace him with this.

1076
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: We'll see if that comes to fruition. But the Reds

1077
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 1: need to wait? Okay, cool?

1078
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: Do the other teams have to wait for them to

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00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: figure out what their TV deals are going to be?

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00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: Do the other teams have to wait to find out

1081
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: what the Reds revenue is going to be and how

1082
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: much money they're gonna have to go after free agents?

1083
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: Like we are going to discuss I'm sure a lot

1084
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: in the coming months. Baseball's labor situation, which is as

1085
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: unfun a discussion as I think you could have. Right,

1086
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: none of us love baseball because we love talking about

1087
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: cbas but a lockout is looming. There is a near

1088
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: certainty that owners are going to pursue a salary cap.

1089
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: I am on board with really doing a deep examination

1090
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: into whether or not there are better economic models for

1091
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: baseball to follow than their current one. One of the

1092
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: reasons why I'm a little bit more pro cap than

1093
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: I've ever been is I want to eliminate excuses.

1094
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: You know, in college sports, I like the NIL era.

1095
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, I for the most part, the on court

1096
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: and on field products have been really good in college

1097
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: basketball and college football. Love the idea of players athletes

1098
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: being able to capitalize on who they are getting their

1099
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: market worth.

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00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: Like, I'm here for all of that.

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00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: If there's one thing, though, that I don't love about

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00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: the revenue sharing slash NIL era, it's it provides a

1103
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: built in excuse for coaches who don't win, because it's

1104
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: no longer about their coaching ability or their basic recruiting ability.

1105
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: If they lose, it's because there's no nil money. They

1106
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: don't have enough revshare money. We gotta pay more money,

1107
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: so we can buy a more expensive roster. I think

1108
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: you hear that nowadays in college sports, Hey, we need

1109
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: more Scott Sanderfield said that at the end of this

1110
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: football season. I don't know that he was making an excuse,

1111
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: but I do think that's how it came across. At

1112
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: the end of his season, he talked about like, yeah,

1113
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: we need more money. And while he might not be wrong,

1114
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: in fact, I know he's not wrong.

1115
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: I know what it sounds like.

1116
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: I think you have something similar in play here when

1117
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: it comes to baseball teams who are at an economic disadvantage.

1118
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Where now, if they don't make their team better now,

1119
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: if the front office doesn't prioritize signing players who can

1120
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: help a team win, it's the fault of the system.

1121
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: It's the faults of baseball's economic model. It's not the

1122
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: fault of the people running the team. There's no evaluation

1123
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: errors here. It's the faults of a system. It's a

1124
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: fault of a system that's got to change. And so

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure you will find folks who will not along

1126
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: with the idea that the Reds can't do anything because

1127
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: they have to wait to find out what their TV

1128
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: situation is gonna look like and again.

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Speaker 1: Man, on one level, that makes a lot of sense.

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00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: On another level, though, come on, dude, right, you've had

1131
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: two You've had two decades to get this right. You've

1132
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: had an entire offseason to get this right. You've had

1133
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: years and years and years of team ownership to get

1134
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 2: this right. You've had you've had years where your TV

1135
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 2: money was probably really really, really really good, and maybe

1136
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: you even pocketed some of that money.

1137
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, when you haven't won anything of major consequence, something

1139
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: somewhat legitimate like this gets drowned out, gets drowned out

1140
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: by two decades of not winning. So yeah, man, find

1141
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: out what your TV deal is gonna be, find out

1142
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: financially what that's gonna mean for you. But you're gonna

1143
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: have a hard time getting people to kind of be

1144
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: on board with well, you know, with the uncertainty about

1145
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: the TV deal. Then you can understand why they're gonna

1146
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: sit out free agency. You can understand why they're not

1147
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: going to go get a bat to address their biggest flaw,

1148
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: biggest weakness.

1149
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: Makes total sense.

1150
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: Reality is, and I think you would agree most fans

1151
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: that I know, including myself, exhausted, exasperated, tired, unwilling to

1152
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: hear any more excuses. When you haven't won in twenty years,

1153
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: when you haven't won anything really meaningful in twenty years,

1154
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: you don't get a chance to catch in as many excuses.

1155
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: And that's what this is sound That's what this sounds like. Hey,

1156
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: have you guys signed au Haanos Warrez yet? Well, we

1157
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: like to, but we don't know what our TV. Okay, fine,

1158
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a franchise with more success in

1159
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: your recent history, if you've done a little bit more winning,

1160
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: then you know people are going to be a little

1161
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: bit more willing to wait things out, listen to your explanations,

1162
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: even by excuse. In the case of I think your

1163
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: average Reds fan, that's not gonna happen, and I think

1164
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: what will be doubly frustrating, then just how this offseason

1165
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: has unfolded would be if, while the Reds are waiting

1166
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: to find out what their TV situation is going to be,

1167
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: if some other team signs a Uhaneo Suarez, who I

1168
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: badly want, or Austin Hayes.

1169
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: Who admittedly doesn't do a ton for me.

1170
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: At Moeger on Twitter, we've got to throw up whole

1171
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: questions on that social media. We'll do that after sports

1172
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: headlines on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

1173
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Speaker 1: Sports headlines are.

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Speaker 2: A service of Kelsey chevro La home of lifetime powertrain

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: for life, kelseyschev dot com. A couple of college basketball notes.

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01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: The Richard Patino Radio Show or Tonight has been postponed.

1178
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: They're gonna lop one on to the end of the

1179
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: year calendars, so that'll be made up on March the ninth.

1180
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: You could still listen to fifty five kre see at

1181
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: seven o'clock if you'd like, but you will not hear

1182
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: Joe Sunderman Byron Larkin or the head coach of the Musketeers,

1183
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: Trey Carroll named to the Big East Honor Roll. Ohio

1184
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: State excuse me in Penn State will still play tonight.

1185
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: That game is gonna tip off at seven pm. The

1186
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: Miami RedHawks currently ranked fourth No. Twenty fourth, twenty fourth.

1187
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: The way I wrote that down looks like fourth. The

1188
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: Miami RedHawks are ranked twenty fourth, up one spot, in

1189
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: the latest AP Top twenty five Men's College Basketball poll.

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01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: What else do we have?

1191
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: The blue Jackets were supposed to play tonight against the

1192
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: La Kings. That game has been postponed as well. They

1193
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: will also make that up on March the ninth. Not

1194
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: gonna play by the way, Jackets have played well, They've

1195
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: won six out of seven, So on March ninth, they're

1196
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: gonna have a tough decision to make Blue Jackets Hockey

1197
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: or the Rich Patino radio show made up from the

1198
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: one canceled or postponed, I should say on January the

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth. Also this weekend, Geno Stone, on a social

1200
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: media post used the peace sign emoji deuces, and most

1201
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: reading into that took that as Geno Stone saying farewell

1202
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: if you will to Cincinnati.

1203
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: I will admit to feeling a tinge of sadness.

1204
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: Because Genostone has been such a punching bag on this

1205
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: show because of his play on the field, no other reason.

1206
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: Because of his play on the field, which, let's call

1207
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: it what it is, he has proven to be an

1208
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: exceptionally disappointing signing. Now, I will be the first to

1209
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: admit I was on board with signing Geno Stone because

1210
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: I like players who fit his profile. And while I

1211
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: didn't watch every single snap that he played in Baltimore.

1212
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: It did feel like he was a guy that the

1213
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: more you asked him to do, the more he was

1214
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: able to do. He wasn't really able to do anything

1215
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati. I've been thinking a lot about the

1216
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: size of the Bengals scouting department, which Duke Tobin at

1217
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: his Megapress conference A wee could go on Friday, kind

1218
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: of shot down the idea that they need a bigger

1219
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 2: scouting department. Here's what I've wondered, and I wonder this

1220
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: about a guy like Genostone. So the Bengals needed a

1221
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: safety that offseason that was going into the twenty twenty

1222
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: four season. They had tried Dax Hill at safety, it

1223
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: didn't work. They were still trying to find out, you know,

1224
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: who was going to replace Jesse Bates. They brought back

1225
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: Von Bell, They signed Geno Stone. Genostone is a former

1226
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: seventh round pick who again like he deserves a lot

1227
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: of credit for having a sustained NFL career as a

1228
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: seventh round pick, for getting that second contract, even if

1229
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: that second contract came with a team that and draft them,

1230
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: so good for Genostone. It was a a a free

1231
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: agent decision. That, obviously for the Bengals has not worked out.

1232
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: Here's what you can't help, but wonder was there anybody

1233
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: else in the room offering an alternative to Genostone? If

1234
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 2: the answer is yes, aren't you kind of curious as

1235
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: to what those discussions sounded like. Aren't you kind of

1236
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: wondering like, uh, okay, who could have been planned b

1237
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: behind Genostone? Also, when the Bengals offered Gino a pay cut,

1238
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: didn't offer him asked him to take a pay cut

1239
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: last offseason, don't you kind of also wonder like what

1240
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: would have planned be?

1241
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 3: What?

1242
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: What would a plan be have been?

1243
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: I do, sure most of us do, but I can't

1244
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: help but wonder this about the Bengal scouting department when

1245
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: we talk about it size like it's it's it's not

1246
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: about just adding more people.

1247
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: It's about adding more.

1248
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Good people, people with good informed opinions, people who can

1249
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: bring options to the table when the team is about

1250
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: to sign Geno Stone, was there somebody else in the

1251
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: room that offered maybe an alternative, somebody who could be

1252
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: a better fit, somebody who was perhaps a little bit

1253
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: better at taking angles when it comes to tackling somebody.

1254
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: Maybe the answer is yes. Maybe the answer is no.

1255
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: The answer is more likely to be yes if there's

1256
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: more voices in the room. Thought this about Jermaine Burton?

1257
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: Like Jermaine Burton athletically, there were a billion reasons to

1258
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: take him. From a maturity standpoint, there were probably a

1259
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: billion reasons to not take them. Was there anybody in

1260
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: the room to raise their hand and go, hey, look, yeah,

1261
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: man at Jermaine Burton. Dude, he can run, and he's

1262
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: athletic as hell, and there's lots of traits that you're

1263
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 2: gonna love. But here's this guy over here, and you

1264
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: know what, maybe athletically he's not quite as gifted, but

1265
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: you can count on him. He'll show up to work

1266
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: on time, he'll know his role on the team, he'll

1267
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 2: understand the playbook. Was there anybody to do that? Even

1268
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: like the Schamar Stewart thing. And I am like a

1269
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 2: lot of folks really holding out hope that Shamar Stewart

1270
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: could play like a first round pick. Bengals can't wait

1271
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: another year for that to happen. But in this whole

1272
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: discussion about trades versus productivity, what they put on film

1273
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: versus what the tape measure shows when they go through

1274
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: a physical.

1275
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: How many folks in that room.

1276
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 2: On Draft night were like, you know, Chamar Stewart might

1277
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: be a terrific NFL player, and he's an intriguing prospect,

1278
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: but here's an alternative, here's a different idea. Now, maybe

1279
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 2: some of those voices differ when we're talking about free agents,

1280
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: established NFL players versus dudes coming out of college. But

1281
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: like the scouting department, size for me has always revolved

1282
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 2: around voices in the room that offer alternatives to decisions

1283
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: that you can't miss on. Like the Bengals have been

1284
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: set back by the inability to find a replacement for

1285
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates supposed to be Geno Stone, Bengals have been

1286
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 2: set back by an inability to find like a legitimate

1287
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 2: third wide receiver.

1288
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: If Jermaine Burton works out, help maybe t.

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Speaker 2: Higgins isn't here, And so that the scouting size thing,

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01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 2: like the Genostone signing, turns out to be one of

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01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: the weaker ones the Bengals have had in their history.

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he's a good guy and I haven't

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: heard or read anybody in the team say anything bad

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01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: about him. I thought folks on social media were being

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01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: a little bit overboard with the dude on his tweet,

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Speaker 2: but walk us through the decision to sign Genostone, and

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: then had it not been Genostone, was there a dissenting

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: voice anywhere anywhere among scouts, anywhere among personnel people suggesting

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01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: not signing Genostone and instead taking someone else, And then

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01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 2: apply that to all the different dudes they have acquired

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01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: who just for whatever reason haven't really worked out. Like

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: I look at those linebackers last year, Dimitrius Knight and

1303
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: Barrick Carter, who may be very good second year pros

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01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,879
Speaker 2: we will see. I'm totally on board with the Bengals

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: like overhauling that entire position, But like Demetrious Knight, was

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01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: there anybody to suggest a linebacker who might not necessarily

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: have as much experience but has perhaps a little bit

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01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: more athletic upside. That's to me where the scouting department

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01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: size conversation really should start. Who can offer up alternatives,

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: who could offer up other options, who could offer up

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: decisions that may be better than the decisions that have

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01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: gone poorly, like in free agency Genostone and in the

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Speaker 2: draft Jermaine Burton, and then maybe others if you want

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: to talk about Shamar Stewart, et cetera. By the way,

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior from the Athletic joins us every Tuesday.

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 2: He'll be with us in studio three o'clock hour Tomorrow.

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01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 2: Tomorrow he will release his annual mock draft spreadsheet. It

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: is your chance to sit down and become a fantasy

1319
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 2: and general manager at the Bengals. He has sent me

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01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: the spreadsheet. Mine is all filled out. I was pretty

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: comfortable with what I did. We will discuss tomorrow in

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: the three o'clock hour. Follow Paul on Twitter to get it,

1323
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: or go to the Athletic dot com tomorrow and find

1324
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: the mock off season spreadsheet. It can be kind of frustrating,

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01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 2: but when I did mine, I wanted the Bengals to

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01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: get five starting caliber, established players on defense, and I didn't.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more about it tomorrow three o'clock hour here

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty five point three seven four nine

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty is our number eight sixty six seven oh

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Speaker 2: two three seven seven six.

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Speaker 1: To me, what makes football.

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01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: Unique is it could look really ugly sometimes, and when

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01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: it's ugly sometimes it's good.

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Speaker 1: We got that yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We'll elaborate on that coming up at five oh five

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01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger.

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Speaker 2: Got the notice that my kids school is closed tomorrow,

1342
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: which is not surprising to me. It'll be surprising if

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01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: they go any of the next couple of days. It'll

1344
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 2: also be surprising if I go out and shovel anymore

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 2: is there?

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: And I did it?

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01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: Man, I said on Tony and Austin's show. I was

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01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: not going to shovel snow because I think most people

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: do it performatively. And then I remembered my wife has

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01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 2: a job that she like has to be at and

1351
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: and like you know, can't work from home. So I

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: don't know if there is a I don't know if

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01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 2: there's like a household chore or bit of around the

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: housework that is less fulfilling than shoveling snow. There's no

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Speaker 2: like aesthetic appeal that you benefit, you know, like if

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01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: you I like to cut my grass. But like you

1357
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: cut your grass, you might not love doing it, might

1358
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: be time consuming, but when you're done, like ideally your

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 2: your yard looks cool, like it looks neat, it's maybe

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: a little bit easier to enjoy. There's nothing to enjoy

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01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: once you're done shoveling snow. All you want to do

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: is go inside immediately and get warm, like I, you know,

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: mulching mulching. Mulching is miserable. Don't love mulching, but like,

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: when it's done, it looks cool. If it's you know,

1365
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: well mulched yard, well mulched shrubs and stuff looks awesome.

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: It's not at all my favorite thing to do, but

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01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: there's like an a esthetic benefit to it. A lot

1368
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: of things you do, maybe something's a little bit more functional.

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 2: I made two summers ago, and as very proud of

1370
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 2: myself a cover from my fire pit, and like you know,

1371
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 2: as a kid who just did awful in like shop class,

1372
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to send a picture of it to my

1373
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: woodshop teacher from ninth grade because he never would have

1374
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: believed it. And I got the satisfaction of, hey, that

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01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: looks kind of cool, and my fire pit needed a cover.

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 2: My driveway needed to be shoveled.

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Speaker 1: I got no.

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01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: Satisfaction from it. I got no satisfaction except from back

1379
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: soreness and sore shoulders.

1380
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: So there we are. There we are.

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01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 2: Also, the trucks in my neighborhood didn't show up until

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: this morning. My driveway was shoveled before anybody touched my street,

1383
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: which is not a criticism, Like, you know, it's hard.

1384
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't care what part of town you live in.

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: Those crews are overextended.

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01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot to do. It's not a complaint. My

1387
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 2: driveway was done before my street was last night. Like

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: the most like frustrating part yesterday is like you want,

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: you want to shovel, but you want to shovel before

1390
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: like the snow gets really thick.

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01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: Most of it came down overnight Saturday.

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: Like I even I watched the bear Cat game on

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 2: Saturday Sat and stewed over that for about thirty forty

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 2: five minutes, and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna set

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01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: my alarm and get up in the middle of the

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: night so I could shovel like a few hours worth

1397
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: of snow. And so that way, it's not so bad

1398
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 2: when I inevitably have to go shovel at a second time.

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01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 2: That was a thought that crossed my mind and left immediately.

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01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: I was not getting up at four or five in

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 2: the morning to shovel, so instead I got up at

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: like eight thirty and shoveled, and I did the top

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: part of my driveway. And by the time I got

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: done with the top part of my driveway, I mean,

1405
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: it was all covered up again. And you knew that

1406
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: was going to be the case, Like you knew the

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01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: snow yesterday late morning was not stopping anytime soon. That

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 2: didn't make it any less frustrating. The fact that you

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: knew that that was gonna happen to not make that

1410
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: any less frustrating. Like legitimately, there's there's lots of stuff

1411
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: you do around the house and it serves a purpose.

1412
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't going anywhere most people shoveling their driveway. We

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01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: did not leave the house yesterday, so it wasn't like

1414
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 2: we were leaving anytime soon. And again, I you know,

1415
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: I had to do the right thing and shovel it

1416
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 2: so my wife.

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01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: Could get to work this morning.

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01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: But anything else should do there's something fulfilling to it,

1419
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: Like you do your lawn you do your yard, Like

1420
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 2: there's something very gratifying about that. Like you you put

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: the work in on your lawn, whether it's you know,

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 2: just cutting it or manicuring it and edging and you

1423
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 2: know even seating it and growing it, watering it, taking

1424
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 2: care of it. Like there is there is something really

1425
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: and I didn't understand this in my twenties, but like,

1426
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: and you know, well for years I lived downtown and

1427
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: didn't have a yard, but like, there's something really satisfying about,

1428
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: you know, maintaining a yard, and nothing satisfying about looking

1429
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: at your driveway going yep, cleared out the snow, cleared

1430
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: out the snow. And now I not that I have here,

1431
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: but I can't. I can't shampoo my head because I

1432
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: can't lift my my arms. I can't lift my arms

1433
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: up there. I was not interesting or fun at all.

1434
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: Five point three seven nine fifteen thirty is our phone

1435
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 2: number on the the Reds thing that we were talking

1436
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: about a little bit earlier. I brought this up on

1437
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: Friday and a couple of social media clips out there.

1438
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 2: I do wonder how the tone of the off season

1439
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 2: to this point would would have been would have been

1440
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 2: different had the Reds not really tried to go after

1441
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber, like I think, to a degree from an

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01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: emotional standpoint, the reason it feels mostly negative is because

1443
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 2: people got their hopes up. I'm not gonna say that

1444
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: I didn't. There was about like a twenty four to

1445
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: thirty six hour stretch where I think most of us thought,

1446
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe there is a world where Kyle

1447
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 2: Schwarber's a Red If you remember back early in the offseason,

1448
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: him being one of the big ticket items out there,

1449
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 2: one of the big ticket free agents out there, and

1450
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: everybody was writing about teams that were the best fit.

1451
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody included the Reds.

1452
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: When folks were talking about with the free agent pursuit

1453
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 2: of Kyle Schwarber around the sport, how it may play out,

1454
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 2: the Reds were always mentioned. And then you found out

1455
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: like that there's there's an in person visit like maybe

1456
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 2: you didn't. Maybe you weren't like convinced they're signing Kyle Schwarber.

1457
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: Maybe you didn't, you know, make plans this summer to

1458
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: go by a twenty game pack or something like that.

1459
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of folks got their hopes up.

1460
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: Maybe you did to a degree, I did, and it was, like,

1461
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: you know, not a one week long stretch, but about

1462
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: a day, day and a half stretch where I think

1463
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 2: we started to seriously entertain the possibility that they may

1464
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 2: get him. I think the fact that they didn't was

1465
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: to an extent such a gut punch that I really

1466
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 2: believe from an emotional standpoint, it may have been better

1467
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 2: had they not tried at all, Like legitimately may have

1468
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: been better to see, Hey, yep, this offseason, it's been quiet.

1469
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: Maybe money's an issue, maybe it's the TV situation, Maybe

1470
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 2: they just really love the players they have, Like you know,

1471
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: my take on this was they're at least acknowledging a flaw.

1472
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 2: To acknowledge a flaw and not do anything about it,

1473
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, it kind of comes back to something we

1474
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: said early last week about Terry Francona. Terry Francona said,

1475
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: we're not gonna lead the league in runs, which, no kidding,

1476
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 2: that's acknowledgment of a flaw. When you go after the

1477
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: dude who led the National League in home runs last year,

1478
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: that's acknowledgment of a flaw. To acknowledge a flaw and

1479
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: do nothing about it is worse than just doing nothing

1480
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: about a flaw. Maybe I'm dead wrong, And again, maybe

1481
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,520
Speaker 2: they'll figure something out because the TV situation becomes you know, solidified,

1482
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: and they can go after a Euhenio Suarez.

1483
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: At this point, it would feel surprising if.

1484
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: They got a Euheneo Suarez. But hey, Austin Hayes will

1485
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: be back. I don't know that as a fact, but

1486
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: the Reds apparently have interest. Was there anybody who win

1487
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 2: last season ended said, you know what they need to

1488
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 2: prioritize is bringing back Austin Hayes. Probably not the AFC

1489
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: and NFC championship games. Yesterday I thought we're thoroughly entertaining.

1490
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: We got something in the NFC game that absolutely has

1491
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: to go away.

1492
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what that is.

1493
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 2: And no, no, we don't need conference title games to

1494
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: move to neutral sites. We'll go deeper on that next

1495
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station five about five,

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01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Molegger, thank you for listening. Hopefully you're

1497
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: having an awesome Monday. Hopefully you have survived I hate

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01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: the term snowmageddon. Hopefully you survived the storm, no power outages,

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Speaker 2: anything like that. Hopefully you didn't have to shovel your driveway.

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: You know, at least at least we got the storm

1501
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 2: during a weekend, and at least we got the storm

1502
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: during a weekend where there was good football to watch.

1503
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: I thought the two conference title games were insanely entertaining.

1504
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 2: This has been I think the most entertaining topped a

1505
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: bottom postseason that I can remember. And that's maybe me

1506
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: being slaved to the moment or using recency bias. But

1507
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 2: ram Seahawks yesterday was terrific, which we're gonna get to.

1508
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: I thought Patriots Broncos and the snow was fun. I

1509
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: thought Patriots Broncos in the snow was unique. I thought

1510
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:13,520
Speaker 2: I thought Patriots Broncos in the snow kind of illustrated

1511
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: what I love about football. There are lots of things

1512
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 2: I love about football, but I think one of the

1513
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 2: things that makes football unique, especially when it's played outdoors,

1514
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: especially when it's played outdoors this time of year, in

1515
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 2: particular in cold weather cities.

1516
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: To me, football is.

1517
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 2: The one sport where, on occasion, you get something that

1518
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: just looks totally different than what you're used to. Most

1519
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: basketball games, just the general look and feel is the same.

1520
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Most baseball games it's a little bit different because you

1521
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: have different park dimensions. Games are played outdoors in parts

1522
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 2: of the country where the weather might not be great

1523
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: early in the season or in October. But for the

1524
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: most part, baseball game looks like a baseball game. Hockey

1525
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: game looks like a hockey game. Soccer game looks like

1526
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: a soccer game. Sometimes you get a football game that

1527
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: looks and feels entirely different. That's howly a big game.

1528
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 2: It's the AFC title game, right to go to the

1529
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I thought the weather gave it a bigger

1530
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 2: type feel. I thought the weather, for lack of a

1531
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: better way of putting it, gave that game kind of

1532
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: a mystical feel. And I thought the weather kind of

1533
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: put a premium on not making mistakes and really good

1534
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: sound strategy. I thought that game yesterday was a lot

1535
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 2: of fun, even though to a degree, football as we've

1536
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: come to know.

1537
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: It stop being played in the second half.

1538
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 2: And so I say this as a response to anybody

1539
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,919
Speaker 2: out there, and I'm I know this doesn't represent the majority.

1540
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 2: And what you do when you have a job like

1541
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: mine is you're you're supposed You're supposed to address things

1542
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: that might represent the majority, but you knew that as

1543
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: that game was being played.

1544
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: I think there were a couple of things.

1545
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: One is, there was a really good chance that Sean

1546
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: Payton's decision to not kick a field goal to go

1547
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: up ten nothing in the first TAFF was gonna loom large.

1548
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: Number two, it was gonna come down to who made

1549
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 2: the fewest mistakes. And then number three, inevitably, somebody was

1550
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: gonna share the opinion that conference title games either should

1551
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: be played on neutral sites indoors warm weather environments. I guess,

1552
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: excuse me, or that the discussion excuse me should be had.

1553
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 2: We don't need either. We don't need a discussion. Like

1554
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: to me, part of what makes football fun is the

1555
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 2: weather can be a factor, and so there's a premium

1556
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 2: on coaching around it, playing around it. To me, it

1557
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 2: didn't take a genius to look at a weather app

1558
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: and go, man, excuse me. It looks like the weather's

1559
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: gonna get bad in Denver. Looks like there's gonna be

1560
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 2: snow and swirling wind. It's gonna be hard to get

1561
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 2: off a kick, it's gonna be hard to throw the

1562
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 2: ball downfield, and so that should inform early game strategy.

1563
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, electing to not kick a field goal instead

1564
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: of going forward on fourth and short came back to

1565
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: bite his team. I am, as a fan, the ultimate

1566
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 2: go forward on fourth down guy, because fourth down conversion

1567
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: attempts are more exciting than field goals. But I always

1568
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: decisions like that put myself in the shoes of a

1569
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: fan of the other team. And I was yesterday because

1570
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: I bet the Patriots. Bet the Patriots in game once

1571
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: Denver scored first, so I made out pretty good. But

1572
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: watching that game as a Patriots backer, I'm going, you

1573
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 2: know what, go Ford here.

1574
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want him to go up ten nothing.

1575
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: I didn't want him to go up the two scorers,

1576
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: knowing what was coming, knowing that the snow and the

1577
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: wind and the elements were gonna play a factor in

1578
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 2: the second half. And so there is a great piece

1579
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 2: on the front page right now at ESPN dot com

1580
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: by Seth Wickersham, who we have had on this show,

1581
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,839
Speaker 2: who kind of writes about Sean Payton and them aftermath

1582
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: of that game and him doing some soul searching and

1583
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 2: second guessing about the decision to go forward on fourth

1584
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 2: and one instead of taking the points. I love the

1585
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: fact though, that looming weather informed that decision. That felt

1586
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: like a big moment in that game if you knew

1587
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 2: anything about the weather moving forward. It also put a

1588
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: great premium not only on points, but on strategy. Like

1589
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel coached that game yesterday, like Bill Belichick would

1590
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: where he is he is actively essentially tanking possessions. On

1591
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 2: a third and nine play, he effectively had his quarterback

1592
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: throw the ball out of bounds. Hey, look, man, don't

1593
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: try to throw it to the other team. Let's not

1594
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,839
Speaker 2: have something sort of janky happen here. Let's play field position.

1595
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: Let's make sure we don't turn it over. Let's not

1596
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 2: give him a short field on a day where, by

1597
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: the way, punting was not going to be easy. And

1598
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: so like I viewed yesterday as a little bit of anomaly,

1599
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 2: the reason it looked different is because it is also

1600
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: this if you're a football fan, in particular, if you

1601
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 2: live in the city or the region that your team

1602
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: plays the AFC or NFC title game, those are accessible events.

1603
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Big games are less accessible than ever to sports fans.

1604
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:24,799
Speaker 2: College football playoff is almost exclusively almost I said, played

1605
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 2: on neutral sites. You get the four games on campus

1606
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: sites in the first round, the NCAA tournament, those games

1607
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: are played on neutral courts. The AFC and NFC Championship games,

1608
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: which by the way, I would argue are the second

1609
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 2: tied for second biggest events in American sports. They're in

1610
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: your backyard if the Bengals make the AFC Championship game

1611
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 2: and earn it on their home field. But that is

1612
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 2: also another reason why we don't need neutral site games,

1613
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 2: because home field in the postseason is something you play

1614
01:26:58,439 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 2: for and you earn.

1615
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: Denver earned home.

1616
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Field yesterday even if the weather did not help them,

1617
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: but fans in Denver had access to it. Fans in Cincinnati,

1618
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 2: you'd have to pay a lot, but you have access

1619
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 2: to it. You don't have to fly anywhere, don't have

1620
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 2: to get a hotel, don't have to play, don't have

1621
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: to pay Super Bowl prices. Like I know people who

1622
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: went to the Super Bowl. I know a lot of

1623
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: people who went to two AFC Championship games in Kansas City.

1624
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: And while the experience might not necessarily be apples to apples,

1625
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 2: it's a huge event that you have access to, better

1626
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: access than if the game is played somewhere else.

1627
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, you know if your team

1628
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: makes the Super Bowl.

1629
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: You have like two weeks, right, there's two weeks between

1630
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: the title games and the Super Bowl. Your team wins

1631
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 2: a divisional round playoff game. That is a quick, quick

1632
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 2: turnaround for most folks whose lives don't revolve around football

1633
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: to go to a neutral site AFC or NFC championship game.

1634
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: So one might argue it makes for better television. One

1635
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: might are you it makes for better football. Look, I

1636
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 2: haven't seen the numbers. The AFC and NFC championship games

1637
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: yesterday got massive ratings and massive ratings in part because

1638
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: people were stuck indoors for a huge part of the country.

1639
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 2: Got massive ratings because it's the AFC and NFC championship game.

1640
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 2: Nobody turned that game off because of the snow. In fact,

1641
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 2: my wife was more interested because of the snow. The

1642
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 2: other thing that stood out to me about yesterday, in

1643
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: addition to just the the blind luck of Patriots fans,

1644
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 2: not the Patriots organization, but of Patriots fans, was the

1645
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 2: tawning penalty on Tarik Woollan of the Seattle Seahawks. So

1646
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: late third quarter, Seahawks are up eleven, he breaks up

1647
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 2: a pass intended for Pokinakua right in front of the

1648
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: Rams sideline. And then after the play he starts, as

1649
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: we say, jawing at the LA sideline and he gets

1650
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 2: a tawning penalty. Rams get fifty teen yards, continue the possession,

1651
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 2: and then the next play Nikua beats the dude wooland

1652
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: for a thirty four yard touchdown. In games played by adults,

1653
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 2: there shouldn't be taunting penalties. Now, you might argue, and

1654
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: I think successfully that by the letter of the rule,

1655
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 2: that was taunting, and if somebody.

1656
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Violates the rule, the flag is going to be thrown.

1657
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1658
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: In games played by adults at the highest level, we

1659
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,839
Speaker 2: should not have taunting penalties.

1660
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: On the books.

1661
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: Tenth grade basketball have taunting penalties. My daughter plays third

1662
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 2: grade basketball. I haven't seen any kids doing a whole

1663
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 2: lot of trash talking. They can barely dribble, But fine,

1664
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 2: don't allow for taunting high school level. Cool, Fine, have

1665
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 2: penalties for taunting at that level. With the best and

1666
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: most competitive of dudes playing for the highest of stakes.

1667
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 2: I just as a fan, I always kind of bake in.

1668
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Some stuff is gonna be said, some stuff is gonna

1669
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 2: be done. You are asking the most competitive people playing

1670
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 2: for a lot, playing for jobs, playing for a lot

1671
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: of money.

1672
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Like you're asking those dudes, You're asking those dudes.

1673
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: At that level, at that level, to like not taunt

1674
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 2: each other, to expect them to not say anything, Drew,

1675
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm hearing a phone call on the air right now.

1676
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's meant to be. I'm hearing

1677
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: you talk to phone calls off the air. I'm doing

1678
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: the show for my house today. I don't think in

1679
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,839
Speaker 2: games played by adults there should be taunting penalties.

1680
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the dumbest things we have

1681
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 1: these guys.

1682
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 2: I just bake in some level of expectation where these

1683
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 2: guys are gonna say stuff to each other. They're gonna

1684
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: yell at each other, They're gonna say inappropriate things to

1685
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: each other, and when they get the best of each other,

1686
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna let them know about it, perhaps in profane ways.

1687
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: I guess if you watch sports through the lens of

1688
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 2: I need my nine year old to learn lessons about

1689
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 2: life from watching pro football. You want taunting penalties. Also,

1690
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 2: if we are gonna have taunting penalties, then the rest

1691
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:14,600
Speaker 2: of us should find out what was said. Like to me,

1692
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 2: it's one of two ways, either sports played by adults

1693
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: there are no taunting penalties, or if we're gonna have

1694
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: taunting penalties, look, if a guy commits holding, we're told

1695
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: that he held. If somebody was committed unnecessary roughness, we're

1696
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 2: told who it is. If we're gonna do this, then

1697
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 2: tell us what the guy said. That's probably never gonna happen.

1698
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: So we shouldn't have taunting penalties in games played by adults.

1699
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: There are my two big takeaways from the conference championship games.

1700
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: Let them play in the snow. Let them talk crap

1701
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 2: to each other. I cannot imagine what was said, and

1702
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure that by the letter of the taunting penalty,

1703
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: that dude committed taunting. It just shouldn't be on the books.

1704
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 2: Fourteen year old football, freshman football, do it, Great school basketball,

1705
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 2: do it the National Football League. Let these dudes say

1706
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: to each other whatever the hell they want. It is

1707
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 2: seventeen minutes after five o'clock. Five point three seven four nine,

1708
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty is our phone number. We'll do some college

1709
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: basketball coming up in just about twenty minutes.

1710
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm Oeger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Programming notes.

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Speaker 2: There is no Richard Patino radio show tonight on fifty

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Speaker 2: five KRC because of the weather. Uh, there's no Mark

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Speaker 2: Pope radio show tonight, not necessarily because of the weather,

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Speaker 2: but because the Kentucky Wildcats.

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Speaker 1: Are en route to or en route. It's en route.

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Speaker 2: The UK plays Vanderbilt tomorrow, and I'm sure that Coach

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Speaker 2: Pope's team is en route to Nashville. The Wildcats win

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Speaker 2: again that game, that game on on Saturday. The Kentucky

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Speaker 2: Old Miss game in the first half, and I don't

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Speaker 2: say this disparagingly of Kentucky's program. I root for a

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Speaker 2: team that's ten and ten. The uk ole Miss first

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Speaker 2: half legitimately might have been the worst half of basketball

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Speaker 2: I've watched all season long. In the second half, you

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Speaker 2: never felt like Kentucky was in danger of losing, but

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Speaker 2: it felt like they were up by three points for

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Speaker 2: about eighteen and a half of the twenty minutes. I

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Speaker 2: know that wasn't the case, but they do win the game.

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Speaker 2: They've won five straight games. They're figuring out ways to

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Speaker 2: close out games in the final couple of minutes. They're

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Speaker 2: trending in the right direction. They have a very tough

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Speaker 2: task having to go to Vanderbilt and then go and

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Speaker 2: play at Arkansas, and obviously there's a little bit more

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Speaker 2: punched to that game, although less so than last year

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Speaker 2: with John Calipari is the head coach, but relative to

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Speaker 2: I think how a lot of folks felt after they

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Speaker 2: beat Mississippi State when they were getting drubbed by LSU

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Speaker 2: at the half. Come back and win that one, come

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Speaker 2: back and win on the road against Tennessee after trailing

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Speaker 2: by seventeen, beat Texas, and then despite the ugly first half,

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Speaker 2: win at home over Ole miss It's five consecutive wins

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Speaker 2: and the SEC. The top of the SEC is pretty

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Speaker 2: wide open, with Arkansas, Florida, and UK each at five

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Speaker 2: and two. In Texas, A and M currently in first

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Speaker 2: place in the SEC at six and one. That's a

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Speaker 2: long winded way of mentioning that there's no Mark Pope

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Speaker 2: radio show because the Wildcats are en route. And for

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Speaker 2: what it's worth, the Blue Jackets game in Columbus, if

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Speaker 2: for some reason you're jumping in the cart right now

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Speaker 2: to go to Columbus to watch hockey, which Blue Jackets

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Speaker 2: games are awesome. I'm sure I'm speaking to a pretty

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Speaker 2: limited audience though, of folks who would be jumping in

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Speaker 2: the car to go to Columbus right now to watch

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Speaker 2: the Jackets, who don't know that the game has been postponed.

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Speaker 2: But if that happens to be you, the game has

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Speaker 2: been postponed.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear my conversation with Trail Steel coming up in

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Speaker 2: just about fifteen minutes. Right now, Mike, you're on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Mike, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 4: You're a total gentleman. So you're doing this from the man.

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Speaker 2: Cave, doing this for my house to I despise broadcasting

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Speaker 2: from my house, but today's circumstances dictated that I must.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I say, someday, you're destined for warmer temperatures,

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Speaker 4: mister Egger. I guarantee you it's going to happen, Okay,

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Speaker 4: And your wife will like it better too, and so

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Speaker 4: will Crosley. Crosley will absolutely adore it. She'll be outside

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Speaker 4: every day all year round. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Our our family, our family loves being outside. And our

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Speaker 2: family my daughter, like, my daughter played outside in this

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Speaker 2: for like an hour and a half today, and I

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Speaker 2: was skeptical that she would do it, but she's she

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Speaker 2: was out there for a while. Go ahead, Mike, what's

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Speaker 2: on her? U?

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Speaker 4: He's a trooper. But she'll wise up when she gets older,

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Speaker 4: of course you will, like we all do. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 4: do you think the blizzard effectively ended the first game yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you too, But I feel like it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it ended the game.

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Speaker 2: I think it it ended the portion of the game

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Speaker 2: where strategy and mistakes weren't. I thought it ended the

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Speaker 2: portion of the game that could be decided by players

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Speaker 2: making great plays, and it it ushered in a stretch

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Speaker 2: where not making mistakes and smart strategy ended up mattering more,

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Okay, did Sean Tate Do you think he because obviously

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Speaker 4: he knew what weather was coming? Do you think that

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Speaker 4: everybody just underestimated the severity of the weather that it

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Speaker 4: would get that bad? Maybe dictating whether he went for

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Speaker 4: that fourth down or kick that fieldal.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, But I live fifteen hundred miles away, and I

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Speaker 2: could tell you that when when we got to the

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Speaker 2: later part of the afternoon, the weather in Denver was

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Speaker 2: likely to take a really severe turn.

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Speaker 1: And so if I knew that, how did the folks

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Speaker 1: on the Denver sideline.

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Speaker 3: Not know that.

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Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. But you know, I just wonder

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Speaker 4: if they thought, yeah, it's gonna get bad, but maybe

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Speaker 4: not that bad. It's just so weird that Sean Payton

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Speaker 4: made such a bad decision. I just don't get it.

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Speaker 1: It's no I mean, look, he's Sean Payton's a great coach.

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Speaker 2: It's also it's interesting if you look at how he

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Speaker 2: has lost playoff games, the just agonizing way that his

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Speaker 2: teams have lost in the postseason. I'm not sure anything

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Speaker 2: is going to be worse. And then when they got

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Speaker 2: the non call on the pass interference against the Rams

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Speaker 2: I think in twenty eighteen, but yesterday was a gut

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Speaker 2: punch to me. It's like, number one, you're playing with

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Speaker 2: a backup quarterback. You're playing with Jared's Didham, so you

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Speaker 2: don't even have your main guy out there. I just

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Speaker 2: it's early second quarter. The Patriots to that point hadn't

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Speaker 2: been able to do anything on offense. You know, the

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Speaker 2: weather is gonna get bad. New England's offense at no

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Speaker 2: point here in the postseason has shown any explosive potential.

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Speaker 2: You've got a really good defense, like Mike I love

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Speaker 2: aggressive decision making and play calling, but there you're up seven,

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Speaker 2: go up ten, and don't put that play in the

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Speaker 2: hands of a backup quarterback against a good defense. I

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Speaker 2: felt like it was the wrong call in real time,

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Speaker 2: and I think unfortunately for Sean Payton and the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: I think folks will remember the weather first, but I

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Speaker 2: think of any play that took place in that game,

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Speaker 2: that's the one that people are gonna bring up every

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Speaker 2: single time that game yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Is brought up because I've heard guys say, well, you know,

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Speaker 4: he went in being a heavy underdog with the backup,

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Speaker 4: maybe not expected to win. So he thought, well, although

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Speaker 4: the dice here whether let's get a really big lead

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Speaker 4: and then maybe we can put them away. But still

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Speaker 4: a bad decision. The second question I have for you,

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Speaker 4: and then I'll go is analytics. Analytics can sometimes be

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Speaker 4: of pain, and I think in the coaches. But because

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many coaches that they talk about, you know,

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Speaker 4: they like analytics. It's a useful tool. However, there are

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Speaker 4: so many things that doesn't take into account that sometimes

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Speaker 4: it's not applicable like yesterday. Let me ask you, do

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Speaker 4: you know for a fact that analytics take into account

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Speaker 4: that the backup quarterback that hasn't played in two years.

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Speaker 4: The is the QB at the time rather than the

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Speaker 4: starter to make to to to dictate your decision. This

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Speaker 4: is what bothers me about analytics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not the analytics. I prefer the word

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Speaker 2: information because that's all analytics are. It's information. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: sometimes you use the information and you you make the

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Speaker 2: decision that the information may favor. But like, let's use

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Speaker 2: baseball for an example. If you have in your bullpen

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Speaker 2: a lefty and a righty, and the pitcher on the

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Speaker 2: mound is starting to tire and the next batter up

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Speaker 2: is a really good left handed batter, the analytics may say,

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Speaker 2: bring in your lefty. But your left he may have

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Speaker 2: pitched the last two games. Maybe you're left he has

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Speaker 2: a blister. Uh maybe in the in the in the

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Speaker 2: in the bullpen, you know, the manager is getting reports

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Speaker 2: from the bullpen coach. You know what, he just doesn't

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Speaker 2: have his breaking ball and he needs a breaking ball.

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Speaker 2: So in that in that situation, this is maybe not

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Speaker 2: the best example, but it's the one that jumps to

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Speaker 2: the top of my mind. In that situation, the analytics

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Speaker 2: are going to say, bring in the lefty. But you know,

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Speaker 2: applying context that the analytics don't necessarily reflect. You go,

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Speaker 2: you know what, my writing hasn't pitched in two days,

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Speaker 2: and you know there are analytics that will say the

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Speaker 2: better rested pitcher has a better chance of getting any

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Speaker 2: hit or out. But it's you have to apply context.

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Speaker 2: And so I never love anything where the analytics are

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Speaker 2: the sole factor that drives decision making.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they can be I guess, but I want to apply.

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Speaker 1: I want to apply context.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what the analytics told Sean Payton

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Speaker 2: to do there, but to me, the context is weather's

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Speaker 2: about to get bad. You got a backup quarterback, You're

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Speaker 2: playing a team that has a good defense, you have

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Speaker 2: a good defense, Take the points, go up to and

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Speaker 2: play the final thirty nine minutes starting from a ten

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Speaker 2: point advantage.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good example. What I think is what

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking is analytics are a useful tool from a

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Speaker 4: macro point of view, but from a micro point of view,

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Speaker 4: you got to put them in your hip pocket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I am as I'm pro information and

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Speaker 2: any good decision is made with as much information as possible.

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Speaker 2: But you can still make decisions that fly in the

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Speaker 2: face of what the analytics say, because you, as the

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Speaker 2: coach or the manager, have the flow of the game

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Speaker 2: or you have information that that sort of pushes in

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Speaker 2: the face of whatever the analytics suggest. And again, like

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Speaker 2: I think the raw analytics, if they were playing that

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Speaker 2: game in a dome stadium, whether's not a factor, you

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Speaker 2: might go, you know what, let's go forward fourth and

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Speaker 2: one here, because weather's not going to be a factor

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Speaker 2: moving forward. If it's if it's bo Nick's playing instead

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Speaker 2: of Jared's, Titdham maybe you go, you know what the

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Speaker 2: analytics say, to go for it here. And I am

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Speaker 2: because I have my starting quarterback who I've won all

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Speaker 2: these games with. I think in those circumstances yesterday, off

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Speaker 2: the top of my head, Mike, I have no idea

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Speaker 2: what the analytics told Sean Payton to do. Uh, but

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Speaker 2: I just I'm applying the context of who I'm playing,

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Speaker 2: where I'm playing, the weather, the score, who my quarterback is,

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Speaker 2: how the game had unfolded to that point, what New

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Speaker 2: England's offense had not done to that point, and I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm taking the ten point lead.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember how long ago it's been more roughly

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Speaker 4: that this term analytics became so prominent in discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, money moneyball, moneyball.

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Speaker 2: Moneyball came out in the mid two thousands, so I

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Speaker 2: think for a lot of us, I think for a

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Speaker 2: lot of us that's when I think moneyball.

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Speaker 1: And I also just feel like, and this is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. I'm in favor of this.

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Speaker 2: But but you started to have the mainstreaming of newer statistics,

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Speaker 2: and because some of those statistics were a little bit

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Speaker 2: more difficult to interpret or a little bit more difficult

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Speaker 2: to compute than quote traditional statistics, we applied a different term. Look,

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Speaker 2: one hundred years ago, on base percentage would have been

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Speaker 2: considered analytics, batting average would have been considered analytics. We've

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Speaker 2: always taken into account statistical information, we just applied a

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Speaker 2: new term to it. And again, like I'm I love

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Speaker 2: when coaches and organizations and people in general make informed decisions.

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Speaker 1: Based on all the information they have.

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Speaker 2: Uh. It's why for the entirety of this show, I've

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Speaker 2: preferred to refer to analytics as information. Sean Payton had

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Speaker 2: a lot of information at his disposal yesterday, but to me,

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Speaker 2: all of that information pointed towards taking the points instead

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Speaker 2: of trying to convert the fourth and one.

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Speaker 1: Mike, I gotta run, man, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, because my nurse is pissed off.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Moll, can't piss off your nurse. Thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: Travis Steele Next, ESPN fifteen thirty