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Speaker 2: We're going to do another Lost Generation segment, except it's

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Speaker 2: not what you think. A couple of weeks ago on

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Speaker 2: this podcast, we did a lengthy segment walking through the

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Speaker 2: plight of Generation Z, the generation after the Millennials, the

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Speaker 2: generation that had its life interrupted and was so badly

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Speaker 2: affected by COVID, and we went through any of the

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Speaker 2: number of other issues that are confronting it. This isn't

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Speaker 2: that there's another piece that uses this term, but it's

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Speaker 2: talking about a different group of people. It's an essay

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Speaker 2: that has gotten a lot of buzz in the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days since it's been released. It's in an

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Speaker 2: online magazine, and magazine is just a term that they use.

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Speaker 2: It's an online website. It's like a magazine that it

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Speaker 2: runs lengthy essays. It's called compact. I have linked the

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Speaker 2: piece up on my website, Belling dot com. We only

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Speaker 2: use Belling dot com for things like this, so if

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Speaker 2: you go to Belling dot com you can read it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very lengthy piece, but brilliant. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to read the whole thing on the program here. Jason

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Speaker 2: Bond is the writer. What he's doing is drawing attention

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Speaker 2: to how over the last fifteen years there has been

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Speaker 2: a shock almost wipeout of white people in many prominent

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Speaker 2: cultural institutions. First of all, the majority of people in

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Speaker 2: that other than specific fields or specific areas, the majority

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Speaker 2: something in classical music where people of certain ethnicities are into.

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Speaker 2: If they're generally speaking general things, you would think that

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Speaker 2: the majority, the popular percentage of people that are involved

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Speaker 2: overall demographic of the United States.

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Speaker 3: But it's not.

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Speaker 2: Furthermore, the percentage percentages that have dropped, according to his piece,

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Speaker 2: In other words, a slow blue. It implies essentially that

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Speaker 2: they weeded out most of the white people from these fields,

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Speaker 2: white men in general.

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Speaker 3: But also white women.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to quote a few paragraphs from his piece,

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Speaker 2: and again, since this thing landed, it's been talked about

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Speaker 2: on a couple of other podcasts that I follow, It's

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Speaker 2: that I have, And again, there's just so many It's

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Speaker 2: so many pieces. The people are right online. For something

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Speaker 2: to get hit this much attention, it's you know, somebody

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Speaker 2: posts it and somebody else reads it. It's just creating

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Speaker 2: a buzz. This buzz will never make its way to

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Speaker 2: the mainstream media. The issue will never be talked about.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to quote a few paragraphs here so

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Speaker 2: I can then launch off and give my comments, he writes.

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Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, the year I moved to Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: white men were forty eight percent of lower level TV writers.

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Speaker 2: What's a lower level TV writer? How would you interpret

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Speaker 2: a lower level TV writer would be, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: Now why does he? As I said, and I think

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Speaker 2: as I have. In two thousand and five, the media

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Speaker 2: deal with iHeart.

434
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Speaker 3: But we're all on all of them. You can get

435
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Speaker 3: them all anywhere.

436
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: And you know there are people out there, for example,

437
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes, who many conservatives think is way over the

438
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: line himself. There's no way to shut him up. He's

439
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: out there and he has this thing, and if people

440
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: are interested in gravitating to it, they're going to do it.

441
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: But in all of these other fields in which there

442
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: is a gatekeeper at a restraint, whites have been screwed.

443
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: And now he's focusing here mostly on positions in the

444
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: culture and so on. But throughout business, the same thing's

445
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: been happening, just not to the same level. He asked

446
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: the question again, what do I say when my boys

447
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: ask me about.

448
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 3: My hopes and dreams? What do I tell them when

449
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: they ask about theirs? Again?

450
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: The last generation is the title of the piece. My

451
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: website is Belling dot com and we have that linked

452
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: up there for.

453
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Speaker 3: Those of you that would like to read it.

454
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Speaker 2: I hit it at something in an earlier podcast, and

455
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to lay it out. One of the

456
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Speaker 2: things you produced my radio show for thirty five years

457
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Speaker 2: and my podcast for what year. Obviously there are things

458
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: that are better in the podcast world, right, zillions of them.

459
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: Is there one thing in which you think radio had

460
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: an advantage?

461
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah.

462
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Speaker 2: I mean a podcast you can listen to it within

463
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: moments after it's done. But most podcasts people will listen

464
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: anywhere from five minutes to five years after the fact,

465
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: where as with radio, even when people would listen to

466
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: the radio online, it tended to be more immediate. There's that,

467
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: I would say, sort of, that would be one of them.

468
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: What else Paul said, taking calls? You can't take calls.

469
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: In my case, I stopped taking calls many years ago,

470
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: and I didn't think it harmed the show at Also,

471
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: I would say in general for talk radio, yes, but

472
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: for my show it was a non issue because I

473
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: stopped doing it.

474
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: That there you go. Virtually no podcasts can play music.

475
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: The reason for that is radio has forever, by necessity,

476
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: had master licensing agreements with the big companies that represent songwriters,

477
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: the two biggest, and it's like virtually all are either

478
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: BMI or ascap. Bands don't get paid. If you go

479
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: into a bar and a recorded song is by a

480
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: band or an artist or a rappers being played, they

481
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: don't get any money, but the writer gets a little chunk.

482
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: Same thing with regard to anything on the radio. In fact,

483
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell a famous story about that. You want

484
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: to hear my famous story? Did you ever see the

485
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: movie not the TV show, the movie Mash You have? Okay,

486
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: none if it has, because long time ago, I would

487
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: say sixty nine to seventy seventy one. Well, it had

488
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: to you because the TV show came on in like

489
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Speaker 2: seventy four seventy five.

490
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Speaker 3: The movie was based on the book by.

491
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Speaker 2: Richard Hooker, and it was very similar to the TV show,

492
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: only more like the beginning of the TV show was cynical,

493
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: the movie was way more cynical than that. It was

494
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: a Yeah, it was a dark, cynical but funny movie.

495
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: It was directed by a guy named Robert Altman who

496
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: went on and directed a lot of other kind of

497
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: movies like this. The characters were Sinning, Donald Sutherland, Elliot Gould.

498
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 2: They played the Crapper and Hawkeye characters who kind of

499
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: inverted on TV in terms of their backstories.

500
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: And so on, so on. In any event, it was.

501
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Like the TV show early on, but you know, it

502
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: was a movie, so it was. And the movie really

503
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: didn't have a plot. It was almost like four episodes

504
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: of the TV show thrown together, basically life in a

505
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: mobile Army surgical hospital in Korea during the war. And

506
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: it was kind of a dark and cynical movie. And

507
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: Robert Alton was a guy who just kind of specialized

508
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: in this. And the movie came to be made because

509
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: a guy who was a hang around in Hollywood, Auto

510
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: Premager's brother. Actually he bought the rights to the book

511
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: Mash was first a book novel by Richard Hooker, and

512
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: turned it into a movie. And the director that he

513
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: hired was Robert Albman. All right, back in that era

514
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: you always needed to have a song or a theme

515
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: in a movie. Not so much anymore. And they hired

516
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: Johnny Mandel.

517
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Speaker 3: Who was a face. He just he this is what

518
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: he did.

519
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: He wrote scores from movies and music and it's just

520
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 2: a popular, mainstream kind of composer and he came up

521
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: with his melody and Altman, the director, remember everything in

522
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: the movie Mash was just cynical. He was taking very

523
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: serious stuff but playing it for hard laughs. And that's

524
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: I think, you know, the first year of Mash on

525
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: TV was like this, but it was very very serious

526
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: stuff and you got the impression of what it was,

527
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: but played it for last with just the overt cynicism.

528
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: Paul even say darkness of it. So Johnny Mendel composes

529
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: the theme for Mash. They used that same theme and

530
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: the TV show which didn't know forever and ever and ever.

531
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: But in the movie there were lyrics and it was

532
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: part of a scene. Do you remember the scene that

533
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: it was. There was a dentist who a dentist who

534
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: well he couldn't get it up, he couldn't have sex.

535
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: That's it was.

536
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: And his nickname, the nickname, the name for the dentist

537
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: was Painless.

538
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: It was his first movie role.

539
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: He went on to be He went on to be

540
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: an actor and McMillan and wife and so on. His

541
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: name was John Shuck and he played and because they

542
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: had a name for everybody at all, that's you know,

543
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: fatherball Kahy. In the movie, they called him Dago Red,

544
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: which you could probably never do now.

545
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: Well, they called yes, I still can't believe that they.

546
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: Had an African American actor in there who played football

547
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: in college according to the storyline, and they called him spiritchucker.

548
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: He carried over to the first season a Mash. I

549
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: think they got rid of that role because they couldn't

550
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: justify using that term anymore. You know, Margaret was hot lips.

551
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: That carried over until they stopped saying it. Well, okay,

552
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: the dentist, his nickname was Painless. Well, they come up

553
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: with this idea that we're going to Painless was just

554
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: distraught that he was unable to perform sexually. So Hawkke

555
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: Guy and Trapper or whatever, they came up with this

556
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: idea that we're gonna have a fake suicide. We're gonna

557
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: give him, you know, he doesn't want to live. We're

558
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: gonna give him a dose of something that's gonna knock

559
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: him out. And while he's knocked out, this is gonna

560
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: get these thoughts out of his head and a woman's gonna.

561
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: Have sex with him.

562
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean, this is how absurd and stupid in the

563
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: movie as and that's what the lyric was. Suicide is

564
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: Painless is the title of this and I think it

565
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: was loud and Wainwright who did Dead Skunk. I might

566
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: be wrong about that, but I think he's the guy

567
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: who played the banjo and sang the song that was

568
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: said to this, and Robert Altman has told the story,

569
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 2: I want to have the most absurd, ridiculous lyrics. And

570
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: he sent this to all of these composers and none

571
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: of them would come up with anything because they had

572
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: all of them was trying to do this really dark

573
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: and cynical. In the meantime, though, the music theme that

574
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: was you know, the music is written by Johnny Mandel,

575
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: as we all know, was unbelievably catchy. So Altman gave up.

576
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: He couldn't find anybody, so he told his fourteen year

577
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 2: old son to do it.

578
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: Mike Altman.

579
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: Robert Altman son, who was fourteen, wrote the lyrics the

580
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: suicide is Painless. Those lyrics were never on the TV show.

581
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: It's only in the movie.

582
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: That you hear the song.

583
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 2: Song and in that scene, all right, they do this,

584
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: and Altman hears the song and here's this is it?

585
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: My god, we have something.

586
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: This is unbelievably good. First of all, Mendel's theme was beautiful.

587
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: The theme from Mash is just unbelievably catchy. So they

588
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: indeed had the scene in the middle where suicide painless

589
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: commits suicide, which he does and he has the sex

590
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: well he's in you know, knocked out, and wakes up

591
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: the next day he's peeler just fine. But all was said,

592
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: I got to use this again. So the opening to

593
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: the movie was a two and a half minute montage

594
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: similar to the opening of the TV show in which

595
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: you saw the helicopters flying around and the doctors would be,

596
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: you know, performing on people as they're doing the triage.

597
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: And that was filmed in the Hollywood Hills. It was

598
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: in the same area where sadly Kobe Bryant's helicopter crashed.

599
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: So that was the genesis of that song. Mike Altman

600
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: wrote the lyrics and Mendeli wrote the music, and the

601
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: music has been played forever and ever and ever, but

602
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: the only place you're ever gonna hear the lyrics is

603
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 2: really in the movie. Anyway, here's the point of the story.

604
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: For directing the movie, mash Robert Altman made seventy five

605
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That was just his salary. His son, Mike

606
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Altman has over the years made millions of dollars in royalties.

607
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: It's the only sign he ever wrote.

608
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: And the song writer, the lyric writer, there's the money

609
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: with the composer, not it's the composition of the music.

610
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: Johnny Meandil did all the work. Mike Aaltman wrote those

611
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: lyrics and made hundreds of times more money than his father,

612
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: the director for coming up with that.

613
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: Which is my long.

614
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: Way of putting out that songwriters are the ones that

615
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: are compensated.

616
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: They own the rights to the music.

617
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: So if you have a bar or a nightclub, or

618
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: say the Bucks game where they're playing recorded music in

619
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: or in radio, we have master contracts with ASCAP and

620
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: BMI to see that they are compensated. There is no

621
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: master contract in podcast, meaning you can't use the music

622
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: the song. If I use the song a songwriter, i'd

623
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: have the right to assume me because I'm taking their

624
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 2: copyrighted material and rebroadcasting it without permission. The theme music

625
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: that I have on this program i've purchased. At some point,

626
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to do it yet. At some point

627
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you who composed it. But she

628
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: wrote the music and performed it for me, and I

629
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: purchased it otherwise I couldn't have a theme here, but

630
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: I own that, so it's mine. And since it's mine,

631
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: I can.

632
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: Use it here.

633
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: But a song by the Beatles, we can't play out

634
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: or the Rolling Stones or Bing Crosby or whatever. And

635
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: I used to in the old radio show. It's a

636
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: long way of getting around to this say that I

637
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: love to play music, and we didn't can't do it anymore.

638
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: So now to my point.

639
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: At length, I think that that explanation was interesting, don't you.

640
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: And I think the story about Mike Altman becoming a

641
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: multi millionaire and never having to work in his life

642
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: because his dad told him to write ridiculous lyrics that

643
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: he did. People have said they're so eloquent. If you

644
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: listen to them, they're stupid, which is exactly what the

645
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: point was supposed to be.

646
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: A wise man once asked of me, what's.

647
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: The I don't know it just you go. It's just

648
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: it's one of those things in which they sound profound,

649
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: but it's just it's just stupid anyway. Forever and ever

650
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: and ever, when I did the radio show, we would

651
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: start playing Christmas pumper music after Thanksgiving, and I was

652
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: just obsessed that we weren't going to stop playing it

653
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: on Christmas Day, and we continue to play it, I think,

654
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: initially through the end of the year, and then after

655
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: that I said that we were going to play the

656
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: Christmas bumper music through the Feast of the Epiphany, which

657
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: is usually twelve days after Christmas, because my point was

658
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: is that the Christmas season is not supposed to end.

659
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: On Christmas. The Jews do it right.

660
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: Hanakah started Sunday evening. We're in now the week of

661
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: the eight days of Hanukah. Now, part of it is

662
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: it's a different Most people aren't Jewish, and it hasn't

663
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: dominated the culture. But there's like no build up for Hanukkah.

664
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: No Hanikah starts and then it continues for the period

665
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: of time when has happened with Christmas. And to me,

666
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: this year it just got more ridiculous than ever. The

667
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: Christmas music is being played in the stores in October.

668
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: It's so pervasive and pervasive and pervasive, and we all

669
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen. Christmas Day isn't even gonna get

670
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: to the end of the day, and it's gonna be done,

671
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: kind of like when people go to the movie. I

672
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: would recommend song sung Blue You're gonna go to what

673
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 2: I Know You're gonna go too. First of all, there's

674
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: no way you wouldn't love it because it's set in

675
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: the backdrop of local musicians kicking around. Paul said he's

676
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: seen somebody scenes. He's well, you'd still like it. And

677
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: I think some of the characters that you would know

678
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: the real life actors.

679
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: Of some of the characters that were in there.

680
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't give that movie my highest recommendation, but

681
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: only a scooch below it. It's, first of all, for

682
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: a movie that could have been stupid very good, as

683
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: I would suggest that for your Christmas Day movie, except

684
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of Milwaukee that it's gonna be packed

685
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: that day, don't you.

686
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna do pretty well everywhere.

687
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: It's not a blockbuster, but it's being advertised nationally all

688
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: over the place. The studio knows it's got something good here.

689
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: Anyway, my plant on.

690
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Christmas is Christmas just ends of the thud. So if

691
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: I was still doing a radio show, which I'm not,

692
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what I would have planned to do

693
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: this year to make and just to make a point,

694
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: take a guess what my plan was going to be,

695
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: I would not have played any Christmas music until Christmas Day,

696
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: and we would only have played it after Christmas through

697
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: the Epiphany. In fact, act, most Christian churches do not

698
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: have any Christmas music in the church.

699
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: Prior to Christmas. They will have an Advent song.

700
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: For example, the Catholics will often do Oh Come Emmanuel,

701
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: that is asking for the.

702
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: Savior to be bored.

703
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of the songs that are secular in Christmas,

704
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, sleigh Ride and some of those, they don't

705
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: have anything to do with. I don't eve think the

706
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: word Christmas is in a lot of them. Maybe I'd

707
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: make an exception for that. But the point that I'm

708
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: making is this the only reason when I was a kid,

709
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: I just remember my parents they'd have when they'd have

710
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: like the Christmas parties and friends would come over and

711
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: all of that. It was the period after Christmas, in

712
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: between the New Year's there was there are people in

713
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: our house all the time. That's when people that weren't

714
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: working in that week. That's when you would celebrate it.

715
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: This whole notion of Christmas, the whole thing at Christmas

716
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: is December the fifth, and all of that stuff is fluid,

717
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: and we just shoved it earlier on, early on, early,

718
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: and what happens is people get so sick at Christmas

719
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: that by Christmas Day ends. Now. I believe there's an

720
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: agenda subconsciously behind the people who want Christmas to end

721
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: the date moment the day gets here, and that is

722
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: that is their way of completely divorcing the religious component

723
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: of Christmas from the secular I have felt forever that

724
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: they coexisted side by side.

725
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: Did everybody knew why we had Christas is a holiday?

726
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: It was commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ, the Savior,

727
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: and whether you're a believer or not, that was the

728
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: point of the holiday. And it's becomes a overwhelming popular

729
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: holiday that the secularized stuff of it's Santa Claus and

730
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: playing gifts and playing doing music and all o this

731
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: stuff fit in there, and I felt as though it

732
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: existed side by side. I don't think they coexist very

733
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: well anymore. If we are to think at all about

734
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: the religious component of Christmas. There is no savior yet,

735
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, and Jewish people believe the Savior is still coming,

736
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: but Christians believe he came.

737
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: Prior to Christmas.

738
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: There is no Savior. It's this darker period of waiting.

739
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: Then Christmas comes, the Savior is bored. That's the period

740
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: of celebration and the marking of Christmas. And I think

741
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: that the secular side of Christmas still coexisted that and

742
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: player slagh ride and jingle bells and all of that

743
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: stuff through the period of and the Epiphanty is the

744
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: day that's mentioned because it's within Christianity regarded as the

745
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: day in which kind of the Holy Spirit shined upon

746
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: Jesus and he went from just a nobody that nobody

747
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: knew was God to being God. And I think the

748
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: Epiphanty might coincide with the on the top of all

749
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: of this, when.

750
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: What do they call it?

751
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: They had there's a presentation of Jesus to at the

752
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: temple and so on, but that was it's a period

753
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: that it's generally thought of twelve days and that song

754
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 2: the twelve Days of Christmas. Christmas is always a twelve

755
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: day season and it started on Christmas Day and we've

756
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: just ended it so damn early anymore. That my idea

757
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: where ill doing radio would be just to make I

758
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: remember when I did the Wrestling Boss Show, I would

759
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: always do it between Christmas and New Years. You know

760
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: what why I would fill in between Christmas and New Years,

761
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: don't you? Well?

762
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: Brush run isn't available.

763
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I mean the most everybody doesn't do their job between

764
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: Christmas and New Year's and that's when Phillin's show up.

765
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: I e me. You know, when Rush did.

766
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: The show, he was obsessed with man I'm Steamroll and

767
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: to the point that I mean everybody thought he over

768
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: did it, but I mean it's his show. He loved

769
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: two things in life. He loved Apple computers and he

770
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: loved Man I'm Steamroller, And that's what the Christmas music was.

771
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I would do the show like twenty six or

772
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: twenty seven, and.

773
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: I put my foot dots. I want to hear the

774
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: Christmas proper music. Well, the staff didn't want to keep

775
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: hearing it more this man I'm Steamroller stuff, but they,

776
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: to their credit, they didn't fuck me on.

777
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: Then okay, fine, you want to do what you want

778
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: to do with And I haven't explained to the audience

779
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: this is why I'm still playing it.

780
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: And I went to the whole spiel that I've gone

781
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: through in Milwaukee from your year after year after year

782
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: after year. But now I'm doing a podcast and I

783
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: think can't play I can't play squat whenever, so I

784
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: can't do it. But I had this idea that I

785
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: thought was brilliant, and rather than just not being able

786
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: to do it, instead, I'm just gonna tell you that

787
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: I had this idea even though I can't do anything

788
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: about it, maybe somebody will steal it. Is O'donnald paying attention? Yeah,

789
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: I know he's not gonna steal my ideas. He's trying

790
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: to carve off an identity unto himself, which of course

791
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: you should. Jeff Wagner was still around, he might steal

792
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Speaker 2: the whole question of the difficulties we have had with

803
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Speaker 2: Somali immigrants to the United States has gotten attention because

804
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: of the scandal in Minnesota. Why Minnesota?

805
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Speaker 3: Will you know?

806
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: When ethnic groups resettle in the United States, often many

807
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: of them will be in the same area as they

808
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: can have a community, And a huge percentage of the

809
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: Somalis that have moved to the United States.

810
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: Are in Minnesota.

811
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: But I think there's a larger backdrop to this story,

812
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: and that's what I want to spend the segment on.

813
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: When you have a I understand, I'm generalizing, and when

814
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: you generalize, you can get involved in prejudice by your

815
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: implying that everybody thinks the same way. The left is

816
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: guilty of this, and the right when they suggest, for example,

817
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: all African Americans have to be liberal and so on.

818
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: So this is I grant you a generalization. There are

819
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: probably some Somali immigrants to the United States that love

820
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: being here and think the United States is the greatest

821
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: place in the world and that they are happy to

822
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: be Americans. But the reality is from the rhetoric of

823
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: so many of them, I mean virtually every Somali that's

824
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: gotten to Minnesota and become a prominent person is radical.

825
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: This is a different type of immigration than what created

826
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: our country. Now let's go back to the mass migration

827
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: to the United States from Mexico, and many of the

828
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: people who were defending and are saying, this is the

829
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: country of immigrants, it's the country of emigrants, it's the

830
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: country of immigrants. The difference was when you had so

831
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: many Mexican immigrants coming in illegally a it was the

832
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: illegal The overwhelming majority of immigrants who came to the

833
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: United States before this legally came in through the front door.

834
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: They get the green card or they maybe they had

835
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: a temporary visa in the days prior to that. They

836
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: were processed at Ellis Island. They were legal, they were documented,

837
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: They went through a period of naturalization. If they wanted

838
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: to be a citizen, it would take I thought a

839
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: minimum of seven years.

840
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Speaker 3: Whatever it was.

841
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: When you had illegal immigration coming in, there wasn't any

842
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: control over it. But secondly, when we had this mass

843
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: migration that came in from Mexico, it didn't appear as

844
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: though you had huge percentages of people.

845
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: Who came in because they loved.

846
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: What America stood for the migrants from Europe and from

847
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: other nations looked at the United States from Afar and said,

848
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: I want to be part of this. They have it

849
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: better than we have it. They have religious freedom, they

850
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: have economic opportunity, they have capitalism, they have a melting

851
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: pot in which everybody's going to work together. You had

852
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: immigrants come to the United States and the happiest moment

853
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: of their life is when the boat landed here. You

854
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: don't get the impression that many of the Somali refugees

855
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: love America and love being part of a Judaeo Christian nation.

856
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: John Cass, who used to be with the Chicago Tribune.

857
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: He now has a blog posted the following Little Mogadishu

858
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: the Chicago Way. I'll quote the massive one billion dollar

859
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: and growing Minnesota welfare fraud by Somali refugees and the

860
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: accompany tired accusations of racism used to silence whistleblowers led

861
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: me to think, of my Greek immigrants in Chicago. We're

862
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: not welfare cheaters hiding behind accusations of racism. Family ties

863
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: were critically important and our clans, but not at the

864
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: expense of the love we bore America. Our parents kissed

865
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: the ground of America and saw no shame in loving

866
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: the country that saved the world and saved us. But

867
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I never hear wonder or gratitude from the lips of

868
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: ilan Omar, a Somali refugee who was given everything from America.

869
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: I watch her seething and hating America, always demanding, sneering

870
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: at the discovery of billion dollar fraud, and I can

871
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: envision her someday ordering the our executions. According to Somaliland Chronicle,

872
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: and by the way, Somaliland is the neighbor of Somalia.

873
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: According to Somaliland Chronicle, her father was of the brutal

874
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: Somali regime that led to the brutal Isaac genocide. And

875
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: when the bloodthirsty regime fell, her family fled as refugees

876
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: from the others they had ruined. By the way, I'll

877
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: get to a Daily Mail report on that in a moment.

878
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: Back to cass Why do American taxpayers keep giving the

879
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: Somali people billions of dollars because we've been manipulated by

880
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: the global left to hand ourselves to hate ourselves because

881
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: we're suicidal. So how is the little Mogadishu way like

882
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: the Chicago Way. Both are Democrat towns, and both have

883
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: corrupted the people. They play race to bludgeon white liberals

884
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: into coughing up the cash, and the local news media,

885
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: dominated by the left allows it. The uncomfortable truth for

886
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: American liberals is that all cultures are not equal. The

887
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: Democrat ship them in by the tens of millions. Biden

888
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: called them to storm the border, and the other Democrats

889
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: and legacy corporate media wanted the migrant poor to become

890
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: their dependence, requiring federal aid. The Democrats upheave our society

891
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: to get votes. They do not demand assimilation as all

892
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: political parties demanded. When my family came to America, Well

893
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 2: that's John Cass. He posted that on x He also

894
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: has a website, Johncass dot com. He's referencing so many

895
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: of the Somali so called refugees who came to America

896
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: and seemed to despise America. And again, it's possible that

897
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: we're overreacting to the most famous Somali of all, Ilan Omhar.

898
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: Now a piggyback to that story, he referenced the Somaliland chronicle.

899
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: Somaliland is separate from Somalia, Separate countries, they have generally

900
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: been at odds. There's been reporting in Somaliland about what

901
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: happened in Somalia. Somalia has had kind of an internal

902
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: civil war forever. The Daily Mail, which is a major

903
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: website based in London but does some of the best

904
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: journalism in the United States, this week, did a long piece.

905
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: You can find it on their website. It's really really long.

906
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: That was an in depth investigation of ilan Omar and

907
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: her family, and some of it was based on the

908
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: reporting of the Somaliland Chronicle. Aside from the widespread speculation

909
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: that ilan Omar's second husband was in fact her brother

910
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: and that she used that relationship to be able to

911
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: get permanent status in the United States, the story didn't

912
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: go into that. It went on to instead the rest

913
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: of her family and their relationship, and they found that

914
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: the Omar family was part of the ruling class of

915
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: Somalia and was very very tight with the long term

916
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: time dictator of Somalia, the Butcher. The story goes on

917
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: at some length, and I'm not going to get into

918
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: all of it here, but the point of the piece

919
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: was is that the Omar family was in Somalia. Essentially

920
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: what the people that were tight with Hitler were in Germany.

921
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 2: They were the oppressors. They were the people who savage,

922
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: They were the people who killed, they were the people

923
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: who tortured.

924
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: In fairness. Much of this happened before ilan Omar was

925
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 3: born or when she was a young child.

926
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: However, later on in adult life she has seen in

927
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: multiple photographs posing with the leaders of that regime. So

928
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: why did she come to the United States if she

929
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: was part of the ruling tyrants of Somalia those tyrants

930
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: were overthrown. You know, we see this throughout some countries

931
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: in Africa, this constant upheaval of people on the ones

932
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: hand throwing the other faction out, and often there are

933
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: no good guys, and the other people come in they

934
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: become just as barbaric as those that they replace. But

935
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: when the butchers of Somalia were overthrown, many of the

936
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: people that were supportive of that government ran because they

937
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: knew they'd be killed. And the implication of the Daily

938
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: Mail story is that's how ilan omer got to the

939
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: United States. In other words, she didn't come here because

940
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: she was one of these wide eyed people from overseas

941
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: looking to the great dream of the United States. She

942
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: came here to hide out because she feared that what

943
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: she and her supporters had done in Somalia would then

944
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: be done to them. So we were just as safe haven.

945
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: We're just a hideout.

946
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: There's been no desire on the part of so many

947
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: of these people to be American or be Westernized. And

948
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: you see this with the term refugee is applied many

949
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: people who have left Northern Africa, the Middle East and

950
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: gone into Europe. They don't want to be French. They

951
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: want France to be an outpost of the place that.

952
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: They came from.

953
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to assimilate and shit the values of

954
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: the places that they went to.

955
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: They hate those values.

956
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: The Mexican experience here in the United States has been

957
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: more mixed. I believe that many Mexican Americans are very

958
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: very patriotic, and we know that a growing number of them,

959
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: for example, have become conservative Republicans.

960
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: I think the greatest.

961
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: Thing that determines where you come down, and this is

962
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: whether or not they legally came to the United States

963
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: or not. Logically speaking, if you legally come here, whether

964
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: it be from wherever, Mexico or wherever, it's.

965
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: Because you want to be there.

966
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: If you come in the door illegally and you're not

967
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: part of anything, you may have disrespect for where it

968
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: is that you go to. The reason, though, that immigration

969
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: is what's created the United States is that until recently,

970
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: the people who migrated here were people who wanted to

971
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: be American and wanted American values. We can't presume that

972
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: everyone who is coming now. Once said it is not

973
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: bigotry to draw attention to the rampant crime that occurred

974
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: from some of the illegal immigrants who come across the

975
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: southern border and issue that Trump has pointed out, or

976
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: the over corruption that has occurred in Minnesota with the

977
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: full knowledge of the white leaders of that state who

978
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: were willing to tolerate mass Somalian corruption in exchange for

979
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: mass Somali votes. Tim Walls and the Minnesotans, I'm going

980
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: to change the subject. Josh Shaulman, one of the two

981
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: Republicans running for governor. Major Republicans running for governor. Tom

982
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: Tiffany is the other. I will give him this. He's

983
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: trying to campaign on the basis of good conservative ideas

984
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: in an attempt at an attempt to get attention to

985
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: on to his candidacy. He is in his latest release

986
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: calling for a decentralization of state government. The reason I'm

987
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: bringing this up is I've argued for it forever. There's

988
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: no particular reason why every agency of state government has

989
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: to be in Madison. Madison's a state capital, that's true,

990
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean that every single agency that we

991
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: run has to be in Madison. There's no reason, for example,

992
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: that the DNR can't be in Wsaw. You could argue

993
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: it would make more sense for the DNA to be

994
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: in Wasaw. The DNR is this agency that has so

995
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: many They deal with pollution, deal with hunting and fishing,

996
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: they got they deal with permitting. But there's no reason

997
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: why the DNR couldn't be in Wassaw. There's no reason

998
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: that the Department of Transportation couldn't be in Waukeshaw, and

999
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: you go through the list. One of the consequences of

1000
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: state government being centralized in Madison and Madison being a

1001
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: city were just about everybody who lives there as liberal

1002
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 2: is that the government itself has become overtly liberal. Now,

1003
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 2: it may well be that if we decentralize state government

1004
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: and located some of these offices elsewhere, it would just

1005
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: mean that liberals would move to those cities and wreck

1006
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: them and turn them into the same kinds of hell

1007
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: holes that Madison is, but they wouldn't be as concentrated.

1008
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: Now. There certainly would be a cost.

1009
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: In doing this, but it's less than people think, because

1010
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: a lot of these office buildings that are used by

1011
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: state government in Madison are not owned by the state

1012
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: there least, it's like the Feds here in Milwaukee. They

1013
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: own a few of these buildings, with a vast majority

1014
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: of them they're renting from somebody else. And you could

1015
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: shut those buildings down and move them to another city

1016
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: and spread the wealth. And also the economic development that

1017
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: occurs by putting a state agency in a community wouldn't

1018
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: all be concentrated in Madison. The one type of job

1019
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: that is recession proof is government, because government almost never lays.

1020
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: Anyone off in any event.

1021
00:57:54,040 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: At least, Showman is raising the idea. I did a

1022
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: segment on the show a few weeks ago about Jordan Stohlts.

1023
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: He's like the greatest American athlete that nobody knows anything about.

1024
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: He's from keyw Oscom. Jordan Stoltz is about to go

1025
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: to Milan for the Olympics. He has the potential and

1026
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: again we say the potential because you still have to

1027
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: do it. And a whole lot of people that had

1028
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: great potential had a hard time winning goal that took.

1029
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: Dan Jansen was at his third Olympics at a very

1030
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: very difficult time. Simone Biles had a great Olympics, then

1031
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: she had a train wreck before coming back in the

1032
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: third Olympics and having another great one. The fact that

1033
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: you are highly thought of and maybe dominant in the

1034
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: world doesn't mean you'll do well at the Olympics. The

1035
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: Olympics is just one event. Most of them are concentrated

1036
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: over a week. You know, sports teams go into slumps,

1037
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: athletes go into slump's. But there are certainly reasons to

1038
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: believe that Jordan Stohlts may go to the Olympics and

1039
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: be the greatest American speed skater since Eric Hayden. There

1040
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: is a piece on JS online about his weekend. And

1041
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: we're at the point. Because the Olympics occur early in

1042
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: the following year, you have two things go on. You'll

1043
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: have the American Championships, the World Championships, and then also

1044
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: the American Trials. They all generally go on before the

1045
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: Olympics and Jordan Stults won everything. We had the World

1046
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: Cup and again the World Clup gets overshadowed in an

1047
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: Olympic year because the Olympics are bigger. But it's the

1048
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: same people. He won virtually every World Cup event there was.

1049
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: He won the sprint events, and he won the marathon events,

1050
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: which is very rare.

1051
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: He's from Kiwa, Waskam.

1052
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: Speed skating is talk about every now and then, some

1053
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: of these sports that are big only in the Olympics.

1054
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: People don't pay much attention to figure skating other than

1055
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:50,959
Speaker 2: an Olympic year.

1056
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 3: Few people do.

1057
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: But I suspect that only people really into the sport

1058
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: know who won the freestyle World Championship in figure skating

1059
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: last year. But people will remember forever and we turn

1060
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: into international superstars, those who win the gold medal every

1061
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: four years. Gymnastics is another. There are other fringe sports.

1062
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody pays any attention. People don't pay

1063
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: much attention to Bob's ledding unless the Olympics are going on, but.

1064
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: Speed skating is at the top of that list. I

1065
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: mean there are people who.

1066
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: Became huge stars and house Bonny Blair, for example. I

1067
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: mean that name, especially here in southeastern Wisconsin because she's

1068
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: from here. Dan Jansen, go back to Eric Heyden and

1069
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: some of the others. They are huge names. That it

1070
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: is primarily because of the fact that they were in

1071
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: the Olympics. We have the potential for Jordan Stohltz to join.

1072
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: That group.

1073
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: He is skating at the highest level right now that

1074
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: that sport has ever seen. And since I'm on the

1075
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: subject of the Winter Olympics, which are held in Milan

1076
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: and the region. In fact they're using two cities, Milan

1077
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: and Cortina because it's spread out over northern Italy for

1078
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: the Swiss Alps, A and so on. Two other stories

1079
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: that I see coming from the Olympics both deal with skiing.

1080
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: We all remember how Simone Biles crashed and burned at

1081
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty Olympics. She had a great breakthrough as

1082
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: the young teenager in twenty sixteen, and then in twenty

1083
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: twenty it was the COVID year. In fact, I actually

1084
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: think the Olympics are in twenty twenty one. She fell

1085
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: apart emotionally and she botched her first routine and then

1086
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: essentially quit and she said she had mental health pressures

1087
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: and walked away from her team, very very controversial, and

1088
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 2: she achieved redemption. She came back in twenty twenty four

1089
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: and one damn near everything, and what happened to twenty

1090
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: twenty will be a footno for her career. I think

1091
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: we have the potential for the same thing happening this

1092
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: time four years ago actually three twenty twenty two Olympics.

1093
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: Mikayla Schiffrin, the American superstar, was at the downhill of

1094
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: the slalom. What ever her first event was, I mean

1095
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: she was what fifty yards out of the gate, flat

1096
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: at her face, flat right in her face. I think

1097
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: it was. I think she was in the slalom, and

1098
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: he was a giant solemn. She did first, and then

1099
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: she had an opportunity for redemption later in the week

1100
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: in the slalom, and what happened down right there again,

1101
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: it was just a disaster.

1102
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: She was so.

1103
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: Dominant and she couldn't help it fall down, and she

1104
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: had a night marriish Olympics. And I think just what

1105
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: happened after she felt the first time it was in

1106
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: her head, and anybody who's done anything, when what's in

1107
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: your head is failure, you're going to fail. You still golf.

1108
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: You're standing over a five foot putting you think you're

1109
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: going to miss it. What happens you're gonna miss it

1110
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: is probably you are going to miss it.

1111
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 3: Guy who's not any good.

1112
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: At free throws, he's in a precious situation and he

1113
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 2: lacks confidence. He's going to miss the free throw if

1114
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: and I just think that that's what happened to Mikayla Schiffrin.

1115
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: Kayla Schiffern had a monster weekend at the Skiing World Cup.

1116
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: I think it's possible that she's gonna go to the

1117
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: Olympics in twenty twenty six and have a redemption and

1118
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: maybe win multiple golds in the same way that Simone

1119
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: Biles did in gymnastics.

1120
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Speaker 3: And one other Do you know who's back? Lindsay van

1121
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: Is back.

1122
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: She was off for eight years, and Lindsay vot is

1123
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: in her forties. This is what this reminds me of.

1124
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: George Foreman was a heavyweight champion of the world in

1125
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies and then Muhammad Ali beat him, and

1126
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: then he dubbed around a little bit and he just

1127
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: walked away from the sport for like fifteen or eighteen years.

1128
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 2: And George Foreman came back in his late thirties and

1129
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: he was a big, fat guy. He had done these

1130
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: stupid TV commercials that he decided that he was gonna

1131
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: get a boxing and.

1132
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 3: Everybody thought that it was a joke.

1133
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: At his first ten to fifteen fights, he was fighting

1134
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: against nobody, so so who cares that he's that he

1135
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: was knocking them out. George Foreman regained the heavyweight championship

1136
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: of the world, and I think at the time he woned,

1137
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: he was the oldest person win. Now we have like

1138
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: nineteen different titles right now, but the linear title in

1139
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: which you traced from this guy beat this guy to

1140
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: this guy beat that guy. He beat Michael Moore and

1141
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: knocked him out flat on his ground. He's forty six

1142
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: years old, and I don't think anybody thought that he

1143
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: was going to make it all the way back and

1144
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: get back to the top.

1145
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 3: Lindsay Van did.

1146
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: Get a couple of first places over the last couple

1147
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: of weeks. She's in the downhill. If she could win,

1148
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: I would say just meddling. They still call that hit

1149
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: the podium. She could hit the podium after having retired

1150
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: for eight years and be in her forties. She would

1151
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: cement her legacy as being one of.

1152
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: The greatest skiers of all time.

1153
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: Say my Olympics coverage, I try to keep people ahead

1154
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: of the curve of this. And the reason all of

1155
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: this stuff is happening is the Trials are coming up

1156
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: and the World Championships and these sports are being held now,

1157
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: and they have to hold them before the Olympics. And

1158
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: they do hold the World Championships even an Olympic year,

1159
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: even though obviously the Olympics of her shadow in sports

1160
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: like this, all of the World Championships Football preview next.

1161
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling Podcast. This is the Mark

1162
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: Belling Podcast, and it's time for our weekly weekend football

1163
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: preview and some points thread picks. I'm joined by Mike

1164
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 2: Murlette of American Sports Analysts in Madison. Big weekend in

1165
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: college football as the playoffs finally begin after an entire

1166
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: year of people wonder who's going to be in who's

1167
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: going to be out there actually going to start playing games.

1168
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: Let's talk to Mike for just a second here. Anything

1169
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 2: special that's going to be going on this weekend. I

1170
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: know it's a little bit early to kneel everything down

1171
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: at ASA that you'd like to share with the audience.

1172
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 4: Sure, they can go to our website ASA wins dot com.

1173
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: We've got a bowlpackage up for one nine. That's all

1174
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 4: of our bowlpicks for the season. You probably ten to

1175
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 4: fifteen bullpicks in that range, and if they sign up

1176
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 4: before this weekend, we'll throw in the NFL free for

1177
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 4: this weekend. And we're on a nice run. We've won

1178
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 4: five straight college games. We won our first bowl game

1179
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 4: last night with Jacksonville State. We went five and on

1180
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 4: the l last weekend.

1181
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 3: So wow.

1182
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: And that Jacksonville State pick was the pick that you

1183
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: used in our segment on the radio, rather on the

1184
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm not on the radio anymore, the segment on the

1185
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: podcast last week. Let's talk first of all about college football.

1186
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, in addition to the lesser bull games,

1187
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: there are four college football playoff games. Four teams have buys,

1188
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: so the other eight played this weekend, and we don't

1189
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: have time to talk about all four of them. So

1190
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: I pulled out the two games that I thought were

1191
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: the most interesting, and the first oneing is the one,

1192
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting because it's got a huge

1193
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: point spread on it and its face features a very

1194
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: intriguing team. James Madison. James Madison comes from the group

1195
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: of five, the so called lesser conferences, and had a

1196
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: spectacular season, but a lot of people question whether or

1197
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: not they're one of the twelve best teams in college football.

1198
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: They're in because the rule state that five conference champions

1199
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: have to be to be in, and some of the

1200
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: conference champions in larger conference just didn't deserve to be in,

1201
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: so James Madison got plucked in out of the Sun Belt.

1202
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: They play Oregon from the Big Ten. Oregon is a

1203
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: big favorite. People perceive that Oregon's a lot better team.

1204
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: It's really hard to tell how good James Madison is though,

1205
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 2: because they haven't played a really strong team all year.

1206
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: What do you make of this game? I think it's

1207
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: I think it's either going to be an indictment of

1208
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: allowing you know, Conference USA, Sunbelt American Association in the

1209
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: postseason at all, or it's going to vindicate those teams

1210
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: being in. Given what happens with James Madison and the

1211
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: team that they draw, Oregon, it's not there not the

1212
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: best team in college football.

1213
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 3: But they're very good.

1214
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent with you, Mark, at

1215
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 4: these these games are really hard to handicap. You talked

1216
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: about the strength of schedule. Oregon strengths of schedule is

1217
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 4: seventeenth in the country. Madison is one hundred and fifths.

1218
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: So it's hard to look at the stats that we

1219
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 4: like to look at and make a comparison on how

1220
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 4: good or how bad a team is because of the

1221
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 4: strength of schedule. For example, James Madison's defense is fantastic.

1222
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 4: Their rush defense is number three in the country and

1223
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 4: yards per carrying number two in overall rush yards, but

1224
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 4: the average rush offense they faced is fifty fourth. This year,

1225
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 4: James Madison offense averages thirty six points per game, but

1226
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: the average defense they faced is eighty third and they

1227
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 4: played five defenses ranked outside the top one hundred in

1228
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 4: total defense.

1229
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're twelve, they're twelve and one. But even in

1230
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: their non conference schedule, they played Cupcakes, they played Weaver Say,

1231
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 2: which is an FCS team. They played Liberty. I think

1232
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: Liberty is in USA, They're not in their league. Yeah,

1233
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: that's a weak team. The one team that they played

1234
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: of NODE was Louisville, which was pretty good at the time,

1235
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: but Louisville's only in the ACC. They didn't win it,

1236
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: and they lost to them twenty eight to fourteen. So

1237
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: I don't think James Madison should be in. But I

1238
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: understand that they created these rules that state that you've

1239
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: got to put five conference champions in and they didn't

1240
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: want to put in the champion from the ACC because

1241
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: they had a zillion losses.

1242
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 3: That was Duke, and you end up with this team

1243
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: in there. In defense though.

1244
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: Of James Madison, you only can beat the teams that

1245
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: you play, and this is what their schedule is. And

1246
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: also it's pretty extraordinary that this is the second year

1247
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,480
Speaker 2: that their coach, Kurt Signetti has been going off to Indiana,

1248
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 2: and if anything, they're better without him than they were

1249
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: before you got there. So they deserve a fair amount

1250
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: of credit. But there is this big, fat point spread

1251
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 2: that's out there, and you know, I think some people

1252
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: will clearly bet on the game. I would think it's,

1253
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: as you said, one of the toughest ones. I mean,

1254
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 2: if if James Madison lost by thirty five points, no

1255
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: one would be surprised. It's possible, however, that they could

1256
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: play him tough and keep it into single digits. Just

1257
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: really don't know, do you have a lean on the

1258
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 2: game at all or just because of all these variables.

1259
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 3: Is it one that you don't want to make it?

1260
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think we're going to use the game.

1261
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 4: And I think it's too hard to handicap this game.

1262
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 4: I think you hit it on the head again. They

1263
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: could lose by thirty five, they could lose by ten.

1264
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 3: I don't.

1265
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 4: These are hard teams to pair up and look and

1266
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: figure out where each stands. So I think it's a

1267
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: game we'll stay away from.

1268
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 2: Ye Usually when a team like James Madison beats a

1269
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: top team, it's early in the season where the team

1270
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: from the more prestigious league gets caught flat footed.

1271
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: And so on.

1272
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: Oregon's not going to be flat footed. They have a

1273
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: chance to advance and the college football playoffs, They're going

1274
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: to be ready for the game. The other game that

1275
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: I want to talk about is just the opposite. Two

1276
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: extremely high profile teams, interestingly from the same conference, and

1277
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 2: two teams that I think had very similar seasons, both

1278
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 2: very good, a cut below however, being the best team

1279
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 2: in their league. And that's Oklahoma playing Alabama, two of

1280
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: the biggest name programs. They're seeded kind of in the

1281
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: middle of the playoffs. They both had very very good seasons.

1282
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: The SEC has a zillion teams. Alabama lost the title game,

1283
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 2: but they may have been the second best team in

1284
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: the league. Oklahoma had a very very good season. They

1285
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 2: had an excellent defense. Size up Oklahoma and Alabama.

1286
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have We have a point of reference here

1287
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 4: because these two teams played this year and not that

1288
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 4: long ago. November November fifteenth, Alabama hosted Oklahoma. Alabama was

1289
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 4: a six and a half point home favorite and lost

1290
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 4: twenty three to twenty one. But if you dig a

1291
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 4: little deeper, Oklahoma or Alabama outgained Oklahoma four h six

1292
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 4: to two twelve.

1293
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: In that game.

1294
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 3: Wow, so they must. They had turnovers three.

1295
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 4: Turnovers to zero. And if you look at the two

1296
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 4: touchdowns in the game that Oklahoma had, one came on

1297
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 4: an eighty seven yard interception return and one came on

1298
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 4: a thirty yard drive after Alabama fumbled the punt. So

1299
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 4: Alabama play better in that game. Neither team could run

1300
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 4: the ball both. I think one had eighty yards and

1301
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 4: one had seventy five yeards rushing. So this might come

1302
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 4: down to a quarterback situation. Who can move the ball

1303
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 4: better that way? And I think Alabama has the edge here.

1304
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 4: I mean, they've got Simpson, He's a first round NFL

1305
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,879
Speaker 4: draft pick. They had better numbers across the board passing

1306
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 4: and in that first game since then through for three

1307
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty eight yards and Oklahoma's Ma Tier through

1308
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: for one hundred and thirty eight yards. I think there's

1309
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 4: a reason Bama's favored here. It's the first time a

1310
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 4: college football playoffs started the last year, first time we

1311
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 4: get a home underdog.

1312
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 3: The games are not.

1313
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: Bowl games later on they are, but these are games

1314
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 2: played on a team's home field. This game is at Alabama.

1315
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 2: They're in their home stadium, with Oklahoma being no. I like,

1316
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: take that back, I've got that home game is at Oklahoma.

1317
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: They had the better seed here, so it's a home

1318
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: game for Oklahoma with Alabama on the road. So you're right,

1319
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,440
Speaker 2: Alabama's favored despite the fact that they're on the road.

1320
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think i'd lean in Alabama in this game.

1321
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 4: I think they're the better team. They all played him

1322
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 4: the first game at home and loss. Another thing about

1323
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 4: Alabama here, they've been hearing for two weeks how they

1324
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 4: shouldn't even be here because they have three losses. That's

1325
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 4: a motivating factor. I think Alabama probably wins this.

1326
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 3: Game, all right.

1327
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: Turning our attention to the NFL, I want to spend

1328
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: all of our time discussing the Packers' overall situation and

1329
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 2: the game against the Bears. Right now, Green Bay is

1330
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: favored by one or one and a half points in

1331
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: the Saturday night game against Chicago, which just strikes me

1332
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: as odd. When the Packers and the Bears played in

1333
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: Green Bay, I believe the Packers are about a six

1334
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: and a half point favorite. So if you say home

1335
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: field is worth two and a half points, that would

1336
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: be two and a half plus two and a half

1337
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: because the games in Chicago.

1338
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: That would explain where we are.

1339
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: But that means the point spread is completely discouting the

1340
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 2: absence of Micah Parsons and the potential absence of Christian Watson.

1341
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: Zach Toms listed as questionable for the game. Packers have

1342
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: several guys that are questionable in addition to the fact

1343
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: that their bench defensive player is out of the game.

1344
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm surprised the Bears aren't favored given the fact that

1345
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 2: Green Bay just in a short period of time got

1346
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: decimated by injuries. Now it's not the quarterback and maybe

1347
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: the lines just don't move if it's not the quarterback.

1348
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 2: But do you think that this line is reflecting at

1349
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: all the absence of Parsons and maybe several other key players.

1350
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think it is, and I'll give you

1351
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 4: a reason. Last week. They have a look ahead lines

1352
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 4: on these games. So last week Green Bay was faired

1353
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 4: by three in this game, you could have wagered on

1354
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 4: Green Bear Chicago at three. Last week. Now it's down

1355
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 4: to one. So it's moved two points. And I think

1356
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 4: the reason it didn't move from the first game as

1357
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 4: much as it should have based on the look ahead

1358
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 4: line is green Bay won that game by seven, but

1359
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 4: they dominated that game. They all gained the Bears by

1360
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 4: two yards per play and really dominated that game. So

1361
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 4: I think that's probably why the look ahead line was three.

1362
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 4: But it's moved two points just based on the injuries.

1363
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 4: It's not a great spot for green Bay. I'll be honest.

1364
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 4: Back to back road games, and if you look at

1365
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 4: teams coming off of playing in Denver don't do well.

1366
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 4: I mean the last three seasons, those teams are six

1367
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 4: and seventeen against the spread. This year, teams that play

1368
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 4: at Denver the next week are zero and six against

1369
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 4: the spread. I think it's a tough spot for them,

1370
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 4: all right, man, I think this game is really hard, Mark,

1371
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 4: I think it's really hard. Packers got a lot of injuries.

1372
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 4: Bears got some wide receiver injury issues here. And we've

1373
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 4: talked about this all season. If the Bears win the

1374
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 4: turnover battle, they're gonna win. If they don't, they're not.

1375
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 4: They have one win this year out of ten where

1376
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 4: they had an even or negative turnover margin, and it's

1377
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 4: gonna come down to that. In the first game it

1378
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 4: was one turnover a piece. Green Bay dominated the stats

1379
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 4: and won the game. I think it's gonna come down

1380
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 4: to that again. Green Bay is hoping to get some

1381
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 4: guys back. Obviously Parsons is out. They hope to get

1382
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 4: Watson back. They got some offensive linemen and dB banged up.

1383
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 4: Not sure if those guys are coming back or not.

1384
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 4: And if they don't, Green Bay is probably going to

1385
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 4: be in trouble in this game.

1386
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 2: The chances of the Packers going on and being a

1387
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 2: Super Bowl contender, how big of a hit did they take?

1388
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: I look at the now, every team in the NFL

1389
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: has injuries, and as the season goes on, I'll get worse.

1390
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: The season is too long. It's the same thing as

1391
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:21,879
Speaker 3: the NBA.

1392
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: Where guys are going down with acls right and left

1393
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and so on. But if you take

1394
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: a look at the overall picture for Green Bay, they

1395
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,480
Speaker 2: had this year two players they probably were first team

1396
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: All Pro the tight end and Micah Parsons. Craft the

1397
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: tight end was on his way I think probably to

1398
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 2: being first or second team All Pro, and Parsons is

1399
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: clearly first team All Pro. How do you lose two

1400
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 2: of your best three players? Jordan loved being the third

1401
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 2: most third best player, but he's not the best quarterback

1402
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 2: in the NFL. How do you lose those two teams

1403
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: without it have a devastating.

1404
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 3: Impact on you.

1405
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: Imagine if you argue that having those players are a value,

1406
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 2: not having them has to be a significant negative.

1407
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: How much will.

1408
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:13,520
Speaker 4: Go ahead?

1409
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: How much do they miss Parsons and then cumulatively having

1410
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: lost Craft earlier in the season.

1411
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 3: Et cetera.

1412
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think green Bay we tracked this. I think

1413
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 4: Green Bay has the worst injury luck this season of

1414
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 4: all the NFL teams. You could argue Watson as their

1415
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 4: third most important offensive player, second most offensive player and

1416
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 4: he's been hurt.

1417
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 3: No, he's hurt again, but that's the norm. He's always hurt.

1418
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 4: He is. But when he came back, he made a

1419
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 4: big different. They're a different offense with him in there.

1420
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 4: They just are. They look much better they average, they

1421
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 4: look better in the passing game. They're a better team

1422
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 4: with him in there. I think it's I think Parsons,

1423
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 4: you know, for defensive players. You talked about it earlier.

1424
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks move the spread if they go out, defensive players

1425
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 4: usually don't look like Parsons might be worth a point.

1426
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 4: I'd argue he's probably worth more than that. Third in

1427
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 4: the NFL and pressures this year at seventy nine. Here's

1428
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 4: a good stat for He had seventy nine quarterback pressures

1429
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 4: this year, third in the NFL. The next best on

1430
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 4: Green Bay is Rashaan Gary with twenty eight. That's fifty

1431
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 4: one fewer pressures on the quarterback.

1432
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 2: And Parsons is being double team than Gary wasn't. Let's

1433
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: add all of that in. I just think that these

1434
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: losses are more compelling than people think, and I think

1435
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 2: most Packer fans agree with me. I think most Packer

1436
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: fans think the team's chances of winning a championship which

1437
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,839
Speaker 2: looked really bright two weeks ago, our dog one near shot.

1438
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean, am I being too negative? No?

1439
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough now.

1440
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 4: The loss of Parsons is huge, And you mentioned Kraft.

1441
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 4: You know, teams don't have to game plan for Parsons now,

1442
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 4: they don't have to double team. That's a huge, huge,

1443
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 4: huge loss. I think their chances have dwindled drastically since

1444
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 4: the injuries last week.

1445
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 2: Well, and let's also mention that they lost Devonte Wyatt,

1446
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: so the Packers are now without their best run stopper

1447
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: and probably the first or second best pass rusher. I

1448
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: don't know that anybody's better than Miles Garrett of Cleveland,

1449
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: but Parsons is a unique and extraordinary player who's affected things.

1450
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: The other thing, of course, is there's still multiple weeks

1451
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: left in the regular season, and there's lots of injuries

1452
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: to come, not only for Green Bay but for everybody else.

1453
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: And you know, at the end of the season, the

1454
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 2: team that wins the Super Bowl is off and the

1455
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: team that was less impacted by injuries. All right, that's

1456
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: our preview. It's time to get some point spread picks.

1457
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 2: I do want to mention our schedule here. Our next

1458
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: football segment will be We've got a unique schedule next week,

1459
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: Christmas Week. Because of Christmas, we're not going to be

1460
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: releasing the podcast on Thursday, which is Christmas Day.

1461
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: Instead, the final podcast.

1462
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 2: Of the week is going to be released on Friday,

1463
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 2: So when you're looking for the football segment next week,

1464
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: that podcast is going to come out on Friday. So

1465
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: for the purposes of our picks here, any game between

1466
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: Thursday night of this week, and I don't think there

1467
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: are any games on Christmas. Maybe the NFL is a

1468
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: Christmas Day game, but we don't have a line on

1469
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: that anyway. But for the next week, those are the

1470
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: games that are available for us. Paul, you get by

1471
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: the way, we should recap how everybody did last week, Yeah,

1472
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 2: Paul said.

1473
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 3: Please do. I lost.

1474
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: I thought that Dallas would beat the Vikings by six,

1475
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:25,799
Speaker 2: or Dallas is favorite again this week. I'm done with Dallas.

1476
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: Dallas is just like Kansas City. Kansas City was favorite

1477
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: all the time and they just never won. Dallas couldn't

1478
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 2: beat the Vikings. They lost their game. Paul took the

1479
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: Steelers to beat the Dolphins, by more than three. It

1480
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: was a thirteen point game, but it was really a wipeout.

1481
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: Miami quit in fact, breaking news today to at taga

1482
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 2: Oola's time, and Miami's probably done. They benched him and

1483
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to come back for the

1484
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: regular season. And Mike took a game that was played

1485
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 2: this week. Jacksonville State was a three point underdog against

1486
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 2: Troy and they beat them seventeen to thirteen.

1487
01:20:58,920 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: So we're all underwater.

1488
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 2: But Mike's making a late season run and I'm still

1489
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: floundering and Paul and I are.

1490
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: Duking it out for we actually duke get it out

1491
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 3: for the lead.

1492
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: But see what happens, all right, Paul, we get to

1493
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: get a pick from you.

1494
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: He wants to know the over under in the rams

1495
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 3: Seahawks game. All right.

1496
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 2: If we talked about a second game this weekend, I

1497
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: didn't want to because I wanted to spend so much

1498
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: time on the Packers. That would have been clearly the game.

1499
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: It's probably the marquee game of the week. Let's find

1500
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: it here. Oh that's right, it's the Thursday night game.

1501
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: It's the Thursday night game. Than today, we're releasing the

1502
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 2: podcast on Thursday. So what's tonight. The over under in

1503
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: that game is forty three and a half. Eagles and

1504
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: the Commanders. Oh that's a Saturday. You're right, these games

1505
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: are all early. There's two Saturday games this week in

1506
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 2: addition to the Thursday game, the Eagles and the Commanders.

1507
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 2: They play actually Saturday afternoon. The Eagles are favored on

1508
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: the road by six and a half. You're going to

1509
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: take the Eagles. Boy, Washington just looks toast, don't they.

1510
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: They have nothing to play for, Paul says, and the

1511
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 2: Eagles do. They are a better team, As I said,

1512
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: I think I said it last week. I don't recall

1513
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: a team ever dropping off more from one season to

1514
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: the next than Washington. And a lot of people thought

1515
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 2: that this was the year. You know, Washington went to

1516
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: the NFC Championship Game last year, and a lot of

1517
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: people thought this was the year that they were going

1518
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: to go to.

1519
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.

1520
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: And instead they have one of the worst records in

1521
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 2: the entire NFL.

1522
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 3: The Eagles are weird.

1523
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: I mean, they have just dominant some weeks and not

1524
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: very good others. But Washington just seems right now to

1525
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 2: be consistently terrible. The quarterbacks always banged up, and the

1526
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 2: coach seems to have lost control of the operation. I

1527
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: don't disagree with Paul. What do you think, Mike?

1528
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I wouldn't take Philly neck. Ye, I don't.

1529
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 4: I don't like Philly Philly. You gotta remember I had

1530
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 4: lost three straight games going into last week and they

1531
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 4: beat the Raiders. Raiders have quit. Raiders had seventy five

1532
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 4: totally yards in the game last week. They're done for

1533
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 4: the season. I'm not sold on Philly. Washington's still playing hard.

1534
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 4: They beat the Giants last week on the road as

1535
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 4: an underdog, and the Giants were coming off by week.

1536
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 4: Their last home game they lost to Denver by one point.

1537
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 4: I would not lay close to a touchdown of Philadelphia

1538
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: in this game. I just don't trust Philadelphia at all.

1539
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. But I think that Washington is

1540
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: just fading away and banged up. But the quarterback is

1541
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: still is still playing. Daniels is still there and so on. Okay,

1542
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: time to get a pick from Mike. Where are we going?

1543
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: Let's go?

1544
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 4: Well, I had a Tuesday game in the Bulls. I

1545
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 4: don't want to look that far ahead this weegaon. I'm

1546
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna look at the NFL.

1547
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 3: How about the.

1548
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 4: Let's look at Pittsburgh Detroit on Sunday.

1549
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: That's a good game, Aaron Rodgers playing the Lions.

1550
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: Let's see you here.

1551
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: That game is in Detroit. The Lions are favored by seven.

1552
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: I got to admit, Pittsburgh has exceeded my expectations. They're

1553
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: not really good, but they're better than I thought they

1554
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: were going to be. And Rodgers is playing very very well.

1555
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: And Detroit is what they are, not as good as

1556
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: last year, but still very good. Not so much on defense,

1557
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,799
Speaker 2: but they still have an elite offense. Lions are favored

1558
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 2: by seven at home.

1559
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Detroit in that game.

1560
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 3: You are okay? Tell us why?

1561
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? First of all, I liked that they're coming off

1562
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 4: a loss last week at the Rams, which was expected.

1563
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 4: Their Rams were almost a touchdown favorite in that game.

1564
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 4: Detroit coming off a loss the last fifteen times they've

1565
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 4: lost the game the next week fifteen in all straight out,

1566
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 4: fourteen and one against the spread. That goes back to

1567
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 4: back a couple of years. They're just really good off

1568
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 4: a loss. You're getting Pittsburgh on short rest on Monday night.

1569
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 4: They played Monday night in the last since the start

1570
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 4: of last season. They're all four against the spread and

1571
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 4: straight up on a short week, and they're on the road.

1572
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 4: I like the fact that Detroit Detroit led by ten

1573
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 4: last week at the Rams, who are arguably the best

1574
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 4: team in the NFL, and they blew it. So the

1575
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 4: last fourteen times under Dan Campbell where they blew a

1576
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 4: seven point or more lead and lost, they're eleven to

1577
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: three against the spread, so they bounce back well the

1578
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 4: next week. Steelers have a negative yards per game, negative

1579
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,759
Speaker 4: yards per play differential. They've got some injuries. I'm guessing

1580
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 4: what won't play again won't play this week. And I

1581
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 4: like the fact Detroit has five home wins this year.

1582
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 4: They've all been by seven or more, and they've been

1583
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 4: by an average of eighteen points per game. I think

1584
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 4: Detroit wins by at least ten in this game.

1585
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 3: Well, you persuaded me. I love the lesser balls.

1586
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: I just think there's always one or maybe two games

1587
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: per year in which you can find a real opportunity,

1588
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: and I've done really well over the last few years

1589
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,839
Speaker 2: on them. Two years ago, I really like South Florida

1590
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 2: game they played. I think they play Syracuse and when

1591
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: forty five to nothing, I'm pretty good at them. My

1592
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: problem is the two that I found are both within

1593
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: the next week on Christmas Eve. Let's see California place Hawaii,

1594
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: and it's the ball game in Hawaii, and Hawaii's in it.

1595
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 2: It's a home game for them. This is not the

1596
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: pick that I'm going to use, but I really wrestled

1597
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: with it. California fired their coach and the transfer portal

1598
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: is going to be overwhelmed with cal players leaving as

1599
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,919
Speaker 2: a new regime comes into place over there. In the meantime,

1600
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 2: Hawaii had its best season in a long long time,

1601
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 2: and it's the first Bowl game in a number of years.

1602
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: They're actually a dog. And I wish I could make

1603
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: next week's pick be that Paul. Could I put in

1604
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 2: two weeks and just a sign whatever I have in

1605
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: the next week's thing. But I just fought through this

1606
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 2: and there's just a game that I like a little

1607
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 2: bit better.

1608
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 3: And that game is.

1609
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: On Thursday night tonight as we do the podcast. It's

1610
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: a game, really obscure ballgame. Missouri State plays Arkansas State,

1611
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: and I want to get the line that we have

1612
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: on that right now. Should have had that ready since

1613
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to pick it. It's out

1614
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: of sync in the rotation for some reason. I think

1615
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 2: it's one. Yeah, Arkansas State is favored by one point

1616
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 2: in the game, and I'm going to take Arkansas State.

1617
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: Missouri State's coach quit. He got a job at Coastal Carolina,

1618
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 2: which to show you where Missouri State lands in the

1619
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 2: pecking go to have things. Coastal Carolina's apparently an upgrade,

1620
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: and the Missouri State coach has left. They haven't even

1621
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 2: named a replacement yet. It appears as though the coach

1622
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 2: who left, Beard is going to take several of the

1623
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 2: staffers at Missouri State with him, including the guy who's

1624
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: the interim coach in tonight's game. It's Bobby Petrino's son,

1625
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: Nick Petrino, is going to be the interim coach. So

1626
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: Missouri State's kind of a mess. I suspect that anybody

1627
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 2: on Missouri State's team that was pretty good is pondering

1628
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: the transfer portal to move to a bigger program, and

1629
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 2: the head coach who had been there was gone. In

1630
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 2: the meantime, Arkansas State, obscure as the team is, actually

1631
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: has stability.

1632
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 3: Their coach is a.

1633
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 2: Big name coach who got canned in a couple of

1634
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 2: jobs and he's been down there for several years. Butch Jones,

1635
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: who you may remember from Tennessee, Cincinnati, and I think

1636
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 2: Central Michigan. He's coached there and they've played very well

1637
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 2: down the stretch. Now they're one of these teams that

1638
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 2: when they win, it's always a close win, but they've

1639
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: played rather gritty. This game is in Frisco, Texas. Probably

1640
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 2: doesn't mean much for either team. There's probably going to

1641
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: be almost nobody there the end of the season six

1642
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: and six, but the quarterback is going to be playing.

1643
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 2: I haven't read anything about players leaving for the transfer portal.

1644
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 2: And in addition to that, Butch Jones's ball game record

1645
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: over this multiple schools is very very good. So I'm

1646
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: going to lay one point with Arkansas State because of

1647
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: the stability and the program. I also think the two leagues,

1648
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: the Sun Belt was the better of the two leagues.

1649
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Missouri State was in a Conference USA, and I think

1650
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 2: that they played a better schedule, And I think that

1651
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 2: there's the potential here for an Arkansas State team that

1652
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 2: is a pretty good offense. Neither team is good defense

1653
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 2: to just go over in steamroll Missouri State team, that's

1654
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 2: all screwed up. You know, Missouri State had a better

1655
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: season everybody expected, but now the coach quit, the players

1656
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: are looking for the portal. Weirdly, Missouri State was not

1657
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 2: going to be eligible for a ball because it's their

1658
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: first year in full Division one FBS. But there were

1659
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 2: so few teams that were ball eligible, and then teams

1660
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: like Notre Dame that opted out. They created an exemption

1661
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 2: so Missouri State can get in. They shouldn't be in here,

1662
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take Arkansas State.

1663
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 3: Now.

1664
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: We know that Mike got to win last week with

1665
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State, so I know he looks at these lesser balls.

1666
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: Do you have any Do you think I'm right about

1667
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,520
Speaker 2: this or would you be on the other team?

1668
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 4: Well, first off, my second pick, if I had to pick,

1669
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 4: was going to be Hawaii for sure.

1670
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh so.

1671
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: Hawaii. By the way, One other thing I should mention

1672
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: on the Hawaii team. Way back in the day when

1673
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 2: there were nowhere near as many cable channels and they

1674
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 2: weren't as many games on TV. The Hawaii game was off,

1675
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 2: which often would start at like eleven at night or midnight.

1676
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: I would stay up and I'd watch that game. Their

1677
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 2: quarterback was a guy named way back this June Jones,

1678
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 2: the former NFL coach, was the coach, and Timmy Chang

1679
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 2: was their quarterback and he just set all the passing records.

1680
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: His backup was Nick Rolovich. Nick Rolovich is the interim

1681
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 2: coach for California in this game, and Timmy Chang coaches Hawaii.

1682
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: So there they come full circle, all this needless information,

1683
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: So you would have steered me to Hawaii instead.

1684
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 4: But well, yeah, I mean because we used Missouri State,

1685
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 4: we used opposite of what you just said.

1686
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 3: Oh you think I'm wrong about this, tell me why.

1687
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 4: We didn't use it as a big play, but we

1688
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 4: used as small play. Tomorrow night, you had a lot

1689
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 4: of good points about the coaching. That was our one

1690
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 4: downside in this game. But all all these instance that

1691
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 4: everyone stayed. I know they still have some distractions going on.

1692
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Everyone stayed, and from everything we've heard, they are absolutely

1693
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 4: thrilled to be in this game. They've never been in

1694
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 4: a bowl game, and I know they shouldn't be in

1695
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 4: the bowl game because they had to make an exemption.

1696
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 4: But they were seven and five. They weren't a bad team.

1697
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 4: It's not like they were had a losing record and

1698
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 4: didn't deserve to be in a bowl. They just couldn't

1699
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 4: be in a bawl. They weren't supposed to be in it.

1700
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,759
Speaker 2: I still have an image of earlier in this season.

1701
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 2: I took USC against them, and USC scoring. I think

1702
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: east them.

1703
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. Arkansas State I think is decent. They

1704
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 4: had to win five of their last seven just to

1705
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 4: get into a ball, and three of those five wins

1706
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 4: were by one point. Like you said, they win, they

1707
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 4: win games close.

1708
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: I just I like but they were pretty good teams

1709
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 2: and the Sun Belt was was a stronger league than

1710
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:48,679
Speaker 2: normal this year.

1711
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Missouri State's the better team. We haven't

1712
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 4: power rated better. I think if both teams play their game,

1713
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 4: I think Missouri State wins. But the coaching stuff does

1714
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 4: make well.

1715
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 2: Can I change I've picked out of Hawaii since Mike

1716
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: agrees with me, I can tell you this, there's no way.

1717
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 3: Both of those are going to be losers. One of

1718
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 3: them is going to win.

1719
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 2: I still Mike's nay saying me on Arkansas State, but

1720
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm gonna stick with it. I think

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01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 2: that their quarterback is better Mike talks about the power

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Speaker 2: ratings being better. I think that the better team and

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Speaker 2: I just like to go against teams that have instability,

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Speaker 2: and you're right, all the assistants are there and players

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Speaker 2: are excited about playing the game and so on. I

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Speaker 2: think Arkansas State's a better team. Okay, recapping everybody's picks,

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Speaker 2: I take Arkansas State to beat Missouri State by two

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Speaker 2: or more. Paul says, take the Eagles to beat Washington

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01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: by seven or more, and Mike's taking the Lions to

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Speaker 2: beat the Steelers by more than seven points.

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Speaker 3: And again.

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Speaker 2: The football segment will be on a podcast that will

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Speaker 2: be released on Friday of next week. And my next

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Speaker 2: podcast overall will be Christmas Week next week and that'll

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Speaker 2: come out on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Talk to you soon.

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