1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Joining us right now on the radio program, the owner 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: of one of our favorite drops of all time on 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: the show. 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Come guy doesn't know anything about basketball. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: Former head coach of the Sonics, former head coach of 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Seat in the Hall, former head coach of Golden State Warriors, 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: and one damn fine broadcaster. He'll be doing the first 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: and second rounds in San Diego with Kevin Kugler. By 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: the way, Kevin will join us tomorrow on the radio program, 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: but one half of that team, PJ Carlisma, with us 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: here on the show. 12 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 3: PJ, how are you man? 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Excellent gentlemen. I didn't realize Coops, you got the better 14 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: half tomorrow, so it's uh, you're gonna be slumming a 15 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: little bit today. 16 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: Well we love that. 17 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, your favorite Bay Area basketball football writer, 18 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: John Wilner, is going to join us at five o'clock 19 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: tonight and an hour on the radio show. So any 20 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: messages for Johnny Wilner. 21 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna no, I'm gonna listen. I read all his 22 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: predictions today. I'm glad he's got the guts. I make 23 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: no predictions. Well, I didn't know what my team was 24 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: going to do, so yeah, you don't know what these 25 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: other teams are going to do, but I will. 26 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: If I didn't have so. 27 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: Many games to prepare for, I would listen very attentively. 28 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 3: I love it, well, listen. 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: This seems to be a year where a lot of 30 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: people think chalk is going to be the word, right, 31 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: that all four number one seeds for the third time ever, 32 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: second time in two years, may have a shot to 33 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: go through. Or do you see maybe a little more 34 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: parody coach in this tournament. 35 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of parody, but I'd be surprised. 36 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, last year was the first time 37 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: in a long time. To go back to back would 38 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: be surprising to me. They're all good, I mean, any 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 2: of them, any of them individually getting there. You can't 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: be surprised. They've been the three of them, for sure, 41 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: the best teams all year. Florida kind of got off 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: to a rough start. I actually saw them in person 43 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: right before Christmas. Kolgate was playing down there. I went 44 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: down to watch my son play and then we flew 45 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: back home for Christmas. But the other three have just 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: been dynamite. I mean, they've been rolling the entire year, 47 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: and you know you're losing a conference tournament. I don't 48 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: put a lot of stock in it. It's not like 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: the old days where it was the third time necessarily 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: you were playing everybody, but still conference tournaments that you know, 51 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: players know each other, the coaches know each other. It's 52 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: a it's a little different. These four teams really have 53 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: been dominant, but I think there's there's still enough good 54 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: teams out there, and two of these, I think the 55 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: East and the West. The regions are loaded, so I 56 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: think it's going to be challenging. 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 5: Well, what's better for the tournament to have more Cinderellas 58 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: and maybe a lesser final four or what we had 59 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 5: last year coach, which for me that was as entertaining 60 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: a final four as we have had in maybe a 61 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 5: decade plus with Duke Houston, Florida and Auburn. 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: I don't mind. I don't mind it at all. When 63 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: you when you have the teams that are the four 64 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: best teams in the country, they were seated number one, 65 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: and they proved that they were that good. I mean, 66 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: if it ends up with those four, I'm not going 67 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: to be disappointed at all. But having said that, I like, 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: you know, somebody showing up there that I can't call 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: them a Cinderella. But Saint John's is what do you 70 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: call it? Underseated? They're not a five. They're much better 71 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: than a five. But like I could you know a 72 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: team like Saint John's getting there or you can't call me. 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: It's strange to call Michigan State or Kansas. You know, 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: these guys are threes at fours. I don't know that 75 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: you'd call them Cinderella's a true Cinderella, you know, lower 76 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: than six or something like that. It's so hard now 77 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: for them to get to the final four. I just 78 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: don't see it happening. What was what was the FAU 79 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when Dusty took them in there. 80 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: I remember that final four in. 81 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: Houston, and I guess it was Yeah, you know, it. 82 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: Was them, San Diego State, Miami and Connecticut. I think 83 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: was the final four. I still thought it was a 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: very good final four. But that's night and day different 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: than what we had last year in San Antonio. I 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: mean that it was a slug fance last year. So 87 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: I guess if you made me pick one or the other, 88 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: I'd picked the chalk. You know, if they're the best 89 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: teams in the country, You'll love to see him go 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: get to go at each other, particularly if they haven't played. 91 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: Some of these teams have already played each other, so 92 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: it's going to be you know, it would be a 93 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: second time if they if they make it all the way. 94 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: Well, PJ. Carlismo's with us. 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: We got to talk some NBA with you PG in 96 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: a minute too, because of the news that came out 97 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: yesterday about this expansion vote that's coming up next week. 98 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: So we'll get to that in a minute. But Duke 99 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: as the number one overall seed. Man, they got a 100 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: hell of a road man. Saint John's is in their 101 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: bracket Kansas, Michigan State, UCLA, and now they're a little 102 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: banged up. So I mean, we'll talk to Coogler about 103 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: this tomorrow too, but I want to get your thoughts 104 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: on how ripe you think John Shire and Duke are 105 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: for maybe a potential early exit here, coach. 106 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: I don't know about an early exit, but I mean 107 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: it's a brutal I mean, that's the number one an 108 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: overall seed and if you know, if they win to 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: which they're certainly capable of doing. But you know, Jerry 110 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: McNamara's team is not good enough to beat him for sure, 111 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: but then Ohio State and TCU, you know, are decent, 112 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: but you know fine, let's so we get through that, 113 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: you get to Washington, and then look what's waiting for 114 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: in Washington. I mean, like Saint John's or a Kansas 115 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: or somebody like that. That is a brutal path they have. 116 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: Without even looking at the bottom of that East bracket, 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: It's seems strange that the overall number one seed on 118 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: paper is in the most difficult region. I thought the 119 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: East was clearly the toughest region looking at just the 120 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: teams themselves, without even talking about all the coaches there 121 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: that have won multiple national championships and teams with like 122 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: incredible pedigree that you really don't like going against that 123 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: kind of team in the NC Double A, and there's 124 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of them in that East. We're lucky 125 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: we got the one pod, which is great. We're gonna 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,119 Speaker 2: have Saint John's and Northern Iowa and Kansas and and 127 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: and cal Baptist UH in San Diego, which is kind 128 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: of strange too. I mean, you got Saint John's and 129 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: Long Island University from New York and going over from 130 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: Philadelphia coming out to coming out to San Diego to play. 131 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: So it's a little The good news is it's Friday Sunday. 132 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: But that's a that's kind of a tough Uh. I 133 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: think that's a tough trip for them. Uh. You remember 134 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago with well we call the 135 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: Keterine in those days, but a climate pledge. Those two 136 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: teams hooked up, uh, Northern Iowa. Uh, the coaches hooked up. Uh. 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: Ben Jacobson was there and Rick Patino was there with Louisville. 138 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: Terry Rozier had a big game for them to win 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: in the second round. This will be the third time 140 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: I've been with Northern Iowa. They had that upset uh 141 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: in Oklahoma City a couple of years ago, and then 142 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: they lost the big lead at the end of Texas 143 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: A and M. So I don't know if Ben Jacobson 144 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 2: is gonna be happy to see me or not happy. 145 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: They win their first game, but they've lost their second game. 146 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: Both turns well, PJ. 147 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 5: You mentioned reading Wilner's piece, So you read what he 148 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 5: said about Rick Patino. He called him the best coach 149 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 5: since John Wooden. 150 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: I was. 151 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 5: I was a little surprised to hear that We've had 152 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,559 Speaker 5: some unbelievable coaches. 153 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: Do you agree with John there? 154 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: I think he's close. You know, it's so hard. Somebody 155 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: asked me yesterday, I can't remember who I was even 156 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: talking to, like, who are the best five coaches? And 157 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard for me to get out of 158 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: the you know, the Big East. Jim Calhoun with the 159 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: he's got three championships. Rick's donned at different places. He's 160 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: not a good coach, He's an exceptional coach. I really 161 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: don't disagree. It's hard to call anybody the second best 162 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: coach to Wooden. I mean, there's just too many candidates, 163 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: I think. But Rick is in that mix. Whatever that 164 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 2: list is, Rick is in the list, whether it's two, three, four, five. 165 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: Rick Patino's as good as there. 166 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: Is well and a lot of people could complain about 167 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Saint John's a sea. 168 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: Well. 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they smashed Yukon and they get a five 170 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: seed and now they got to go through Kansas Duke 171 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Yukon again right in Northern Iowa's no slouch either. Did 172 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: they get kind of hosed to big you think? 173 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: He? Yeah, I do. I think they're better than the five, 174 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: and unfortunately they were. That's where they had them slotted 175 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: and they had all those teams ahead of them, and 176 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: you know, there was more talk about if Connecticut could 177 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: have beaten and we happened to do the Scott Graham 178 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: and I did the Big East tournament for Westwood. Everybody 179 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: was saying, well, you know, if Florida loses and Yukon wins, 180 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: that couldn't move Yukon up to the number one line. 181 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: And Saint John's just smashed them. I mean it was 182 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: never again. They made one little run in the second 183 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: half and that was it. I just thought Saint John's 184 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: they were nineteen out of twenty. They do have some 185 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: losses early, but they were the good teams. I find 186 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: it hard to believe they're a five seed. I think 187 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: they're better than that. I think they're one of the 188 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: best ten twelve teams in the country. But you know, 189 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: you got to go prove it, and whoever comes out 190 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: of the East is going to have proven it that 191 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 2: that team. Uh, when when they get to indianapolish they 192 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: survived what's going on in the East, that's that's going 193 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: to be a hell of the. 194 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: Team and they're going to have four really impressive wins 195 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 4: to get. 196 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 5: There, Well, who's the best team that you've seen? Coach 197 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: that when they're playing at their best, they're the most 198 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 5: elite team in college basketball. 199 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: Michigan, I think they've been more dominant. I think that 200 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: league is very, very good. The ACC was back up 201 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: this year, but I don't think that they were. You know, 202 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: Duke was challenged the way Michigan was challenged. I leaned 203 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: toward Michigan or Arizona because of the strength of their 204 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: two conferences in terms of what they did, you know, 205 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: the entire year. And you know, I say Michigan, I 206 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: probably should have fought more before I spoke because Arizona. 207 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: The thing A, that league is very good. B they 208 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: won the regular season and tournament, which is a strong statement. 209 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: Duke did that in the ACC. I think Arizona maybe 210 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: doing that in the in the UH, in the Big 211 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: Twelve gives them a little bit of a notch ahead 212 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: of Michigan. Michigan was not able to win the tournament. 213 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: UH in the Big Time. How about we're doing one 214 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: four games in four days UH to to get there, 215 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: which is really impressive. UH. Only two teams in the 216 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 2: I think only two teams in the tournament won four 217 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: in four days. A couple one four and five days, 218 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: but only two of them one four and four days. 219 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: That's that's hard to do this time and college You know, 220 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: college teams just don't play four days in a row anymore. 221 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: Like you don't even have the tournaments we used to have. 222 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 2: Remember the old was it called the. 223 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: Big West or what was the tournament in Portland for years? 224 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: Uh? Was? It was a heck of a tournament. They 225 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: used to have the Holiday Festival in New York and 226 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 2: Quaker City in Philadelphia, and the All West or whatever 227 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: it was called, was a great tournament. 228 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 5: Here. 229 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: You had to win three games in three days, four 230 00:10:58,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: and four days? 231 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Is real? Get tall order? 232 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 233 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: Well how about this, PJ. We'll talk some NBA in 234 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: a minute, but I want to put you on the spot. 235 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: One of these two teams, you got to put them 236 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: in the tournament. 237 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: What of them is in? What of them is out? 238 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: But who deserved a tournament bid more Auburn or Miami 239 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: of Ohio. 240 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: Miami of Ohio? Why because they went undefeated. There's been 241 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: six teams in forty one years go undefeated in the 242 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: regular season. I think you have to reward that you 243 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: can't win. You know, thirty plus games in a row 244 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: and not rewarded. Who's the better team offens a better team, 245 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. But it's not you know, 246 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: it's not the sixty eight best teams. It's supposed to 247 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: be the at large is supposed to be the best 248 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: thirty seven. But I think it would have been a 249 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: crime to leave Miami out of it with the year 250 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: they had. I think that, you know, give them a 251 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: chance to prove how good, you know, how good they 252 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: can be. We were talking to Travis Steele on the 253 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: selection show on Sunday and I was asking him how 254 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: far it was from Oxford to Dayton. I think he 255 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: said it was fifty minutes or something like that. So 256 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: it's going to be a very pro Miami crowd in Dayton. 257 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: And I hope they you know, I hope they live 258 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: up to thirty one and one record, but I would 259 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: have I would have preferred them to go win. I 260 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: was really happy the tournament rewarded thirty you know, thirty 261 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: one in one year. 262 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 5: Well, if any coach can win it this year, I 263 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 5: want Kelvin Sampson to win it. Seventy years young coach, 264 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: and you know he's got Kingston Flemings, who's given you 265 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 5: everything they lost in LJ Cryer to graduation. 266 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been incredible. I happened to have I had them. 267 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of regular season games other 268 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: than a couple of Oregon State and a couple of 269 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 2: Washington State. But I did a game for Westwood and 270 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: it was Texas Tech when they still had JT. Topping 271 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 2: at Houston was a great game. Early January. Kelbert was 272 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: kidding me because he said, what are you doing here? 273 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: Normally run into him either in a regional or the 274 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: Final four. He's usually got thirty wins and he's got 275 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: his keep playing as good as anybody in the country. 276 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: So he was, you know, kind of on my case 277 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: for seeing him so early. I will not be surprised 278 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: if somehow he finds a way to get to get, 279 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 2: you know, to Indianapolis again. It's also going to be 280 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: nice if he can get to those third and fourth 281 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: games in Houston. That will be a nice advantage for 282 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: him and that team. But remember a couple of years 283 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: ago when Houston and Arizona among others, were going to 284 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: the newly expanded Big twelve, and everybody was going around 285 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: a little bit different now for Houston and Arizona. You 286 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: know the leagues where they've been, it's gonna get a 287 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: little tougher in the Big twelve. They've owned the Big Twelve. 288 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 2: Both of them have taken in there. It's unbelievable. So 289 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: you know, you never know, it's not easy to compare conferences. 290 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: But Kelvin, you know you mentioned it at seventy years, 291 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: he's as good he's he's as good as he gets 292 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: and his teams play so hard, they defend so hard. 293 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 2: And you mentioned Kingston Flemings. He's really sharp, has been there, 294 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: I mean many of sharp. Seems like he's been playing 295 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: for ten years. He's got a ton of points, a 296 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: ton of wins in the NCAA, and I personally, I 297 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: would love to see that. That final four last year 298 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: was so incredible. It just seemed like it would have 299 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: been such a great thing if Houston could have found 300 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: a way to win it for you know, Fort Kelvin Sampson. 301 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Well, PJ, before you go, PJA, Carlismo with us. You're 302 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: still here. You're right up the hill by the way 303 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: from the studio. We've been asking to come by the 304 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: station and say hello in person. For years. So maybe 305 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: it's my breath or something. Maybe we need to have 306 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: some food waiting for you, right, But why don't you 307 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: come down. 308 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: I'll come down. I'll bring a bottle of wine. Done 309 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: when you guys go off the air. 310 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: Oh no, we don't gotta wait till we go out 311 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: on the air. We're fine. 312 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: There's no need for that at all. But you know 313 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: what the NBA is gonna do next week. You saw 314 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Shamsa's tweet. You're gonna get together and they're gonna decide 315 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: whether or not they want to start taking bids for 316 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: a team in Vegas and a team in Seattle. Feels 317 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: like a pretty significant step. What are your thoughts on it? 318 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: Man? 319 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: I think it is significant, but I've been saying the 320 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: same thing for a couple of years. It's gonna happen. 321 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: I know that doesn't make anybody in Seattle feel any 322 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: more secure or any more relieved. I think this decision 323 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: has been made. I mean, it's been headed that way 324 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: for so long. I never knew what the timetable was 325 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: going to be. I did think it was going to 326 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: be shorter than this. They got more. I think Adam 327 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Silver got more pushback from a couple of owners than 328 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: maybe was anticipating, not necessarily anticipated by him, but by 329 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: outside people. I thought there'd be more sentiment, you know, 330 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: to expand. I think I firmly believe they're gonna have 331 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: two more teams. It's gonna be Seattle and Vegas, and 332 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be in twenty eight, twenty nine. 333 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: This is the first step along the way. You know, 334 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: it's great, and you know, I know it's not soon 335 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: enough for the people in Seattle. And I think I've 336 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: said this almost every time I've been on the show. 337 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: What people in Seattle still refuse to acknowledge is the 338 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: fact that we messed it up. We had the team here, 339 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: it was great, There was no problem with final We 340 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: weren't playing well at that point, and Key was not 341 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: an NBA ready arena. But we had issues that were 342 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: solvable and between the city government, the state government, you know, 343 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: some ownership, all the things that there were so many 344 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: poor decisions made for us to lose the team. Everybody 345 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: in a month. Two weeks don't go by, and when 346 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: I'm doing you know, NBA games that people don't say, 347 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: I can't believe we still don't have a team in Seattle. 348 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: When are we going to get back to Seattle? The 349 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: whole league feels that way, and all the demographics, the TV, 350 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: the size, the money, all that stuff. It's gonna happen. 351 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: It's just dragged down a lot longer, and there's still 352 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: a couple more steps. I will be shocked that they're 353 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: not going to go forward with this preliminary vote right now. 354 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: The next vote's going to be the big when people 355 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: have got it, you know, declare whether they're actually in 356 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: favor of going to thirty two or not. But I 357 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: firmly believe it's going to happen. The timetable is not 358 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: the timetable we want in Seattle, but I think it's closer, 359 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: and I'm hopeful that it's going to be twenty eight 360 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: twenty nine that we have the Sonics. I would assume 361 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: they're going to call it the Sonics back in Seattle. 362 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 5: Finally, PJ, we appreciate you joining us. You're right about 363 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: where the blame lies in my opinion, no question about it. 364 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 5: But what do you think about the state of the league. 365 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 5: People like to rip on the state of the league. 366 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 5: Even the former players like Barkley and Kenny Smith rip 367 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 5: on the state of the league. Where is it right now? 368 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: I disagree with Charles. I haven't heard him commenting on 369 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: it that much. I think we have more talented young player. 370 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: I think it's in great in terms of talent. I 371 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: think we have a ton of young talent in the league. 372 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be good for a while. 373 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: Blaming the way guys are playing or anything that that's 374 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: league or you know, the league. He's changing, making it 375 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: where it's harder to defend, and you know, things in 376 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: favor of the offense. I don't have a problem with 377 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: where the league's at right now. I think we still 378 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: we have a lot of very talented young coaches. I 379 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: think we've got more parody than we've had. I mean, 380 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: you know, all these different winners each year. I think 381 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference has gotten better this year. I think 382 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: the playoffs are going to be the best in a 383 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: long time. The West is still deep, despite as good 384 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: as okc is and and San Antonio. You know San Antonio, 385 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: and you can't sleep on Denver. If Denver ever gets healthy, 386 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: Denver can come out of the West themselves. But I disagree. 387 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: I think the league's in good shape. I can't eighty 388 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: two games and that what you do with tank it. 389 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is to that, but 390 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: you know that's all related to the draft and how 391 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: you're going to do players. The league can do what 392 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: they want to try and tweak it with the product 393 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: on the floor, the coaching, the tat the player talent, 394 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: and the playoffs I think are in great shape. 395 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: PJ. 396 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: Carlismo, great stuff. Enjoy the nc double A tournament. We're 397 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna have you and Kevin on the air on Thursday 398 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: from San Diego. Go get him and we're gonna hold 399 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: you to that bottle of wine in the studio by 400 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: the way, when this thing's over all right, Thanks coach. 401 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: Softy, big great being with you. Say hello to my 402 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: buddy John for me. 403 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: No, you got it done. 404 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: All right, We'll get a break. We got a couple 405 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: of polls we got to update. Seahawk fans have spoken 406 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: on the devon Ehha. In proposition, if you can only 407 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: watch one WBC final or the first four in the 408 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, which one you picking next? 409 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: On ninety three to three kjrfmy. 410 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 6: Color ten two O six two eight six to win 411 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: your way to a CML craking game from your home 412 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 6: for the Kraken s What's radio ninety three point three 413 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 6: kJ R. 414 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: There, you got be the tenth collar right now, boys 415 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: and girls two age six ninety five ninety five, two 416 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: o six two eight six ninety five ninety five. 417 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: And we're growing up back in the day when you 418 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: never had to give. 419 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: An area head code because everybody knew what area code 420 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: you lived in. 421 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: That was way before your time, Jackson. 422 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: Now you got to you got to. 423 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: Make sure people know. 424 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: We could be four two five, we could be a 425 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: two five three, we could be a two oh six. 426 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Did I hear that we're getting a new one hurt 427 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: by the way soon? Too many people moving in here. 428 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: Man got to kick their asses out. So tenth caller 429 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: wins tickets for the Utah game coming up on April 430 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: the second. We got cracking Tampa Bay pregame six thirty 431 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: face off at seven o'clock tonight right here on ninety 432 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: three three KJR FM. Uh glad to hear that PJ. 433 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Carlosimo is still reading John Wilner's columns. 434 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: Guy who allegedly covers the PAC twelve. 435 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: All right, so we'll get John's thoughts on everything. 436 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: PJ I had to say two guys, Well, one guy, 437 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: I know he's taking shots of the other guy. 438 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure has Wilner reciprocated, by the way with that. 439 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: We have to. 440 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 5: Jjames to him, but he's certainly you know, John is 441 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 5: not going to fire salvo. 442 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Not on the air, he won't, but off the air, 443 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: he'll decimate somebody, trust me, Okay. 444 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 5: P J was very kind to John a number of times, 445 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 5: I very nice. Probably hurt enough of that drop on 446 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 5: this show, and so he's kind of like, want to 447 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: make sure there's no problem. 448 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: Maybe he thought we were talking about somebody else. 449 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, but John Wilner will join us at 450 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: five o'clock courtesy of simply Seattle dot com. Right, so 451 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: we got first time in a while we got dueling 452 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: poles guys that we got to talk about, like we 453 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: need an update on the polls drop on the radio show. 454 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: So two polls going on. 455 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: Mark Hochman, who's a radio hack like us, but he 456 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: works in Miami, came on the air with us, and 457 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: I don't know how sincere he was about this. We 458 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: kind of pinned him down and said, well, Jayalen Waddle 459 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: just got traded to Denver correct for and Denver gave 460 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: up what they give a first round draft pick, a third, 461 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: and a fourth, and they sent a fourth along with 462 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Waddle to Denver. So a guy that's got three years 463 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: left on his deal went for the thirtieth pick in 464 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: the draft, a third rounder, and a fourth rounder. So 465 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: we naturally started putting our you know, brains together, whatever's 466 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: left of them, and thought, all right, if they're willing 467 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: to dump Waddle, are they willing to dump Devon ah Chan? 468 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: Right? 469 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 3: Why not? 470 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: It's got one year left in this contract. Dolphins are 471 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: going nowhere. I mean, he's not gonna be twenty five 472 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: until October. So maybe they want to resign him. Maybe 473 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: they don't want to resign him. Does the eight chan 474 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: want to stay in Miami? Do you want to go 475 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: to free agency? My whole point of view is that 476 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: if they're going to not resign them, then you may 477 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: as well just dump them now and get what you 478 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: can't win four games exactly. So the proposition was laid 479 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: out by Mark Hackman. First and a third this year, okay, 480 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: which is thirty two and ninety six plus a sixth 481 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: round pick in next year's draft, of which the Hawks 482 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: said twelve picks right now, Jackson? 483 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: Is that right? 484 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: So I put it out there on Twitter. Are you 485 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: in the seventy two percent? Say twenty eight percent? Say yes? 486 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: How about that? How about that? 487 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 5: If you do not play fantasy football, which I would 488 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 5: say a majority of those responders do not play fantasy football. 489 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: You don't know, Devon Agen. 490 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 5: Why would you ever watch a Dolphins game if you 491 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 5: don't play fantasy. 492 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: But if they do play fantasy football but also don't 493 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: want Davon Ajen, is that possible? I think they're they're 494 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: assuming that because they're voting. No, they just don't know. 495 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 5: Who I is, because I don't think Davon Ahen is 496 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 5: not a household name to the extent of a Christian McCaffrey, 497 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 5: a Saquon Barkley, And yet I would take him over 498 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 5: both of those guys. 499 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: Okay, Now I'm gonna do a pull. How many of 500 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: you people play fantasy football? Okay, and we'll find out. 501 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: I mean, are you with me, Jackson? You could be right. 502 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: It's also possible that they play fantasy football, but they 503 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: just don't want him. 504 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: They think it's too much. That's fine. 505 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 7: I mean, he I think a lot of people maybe 506 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 7: also watch him fantasy football. But Dick, remember he's the 507 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 7: guy between the twenties. He's not the guy in the 508 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 7: red zone for Miami. And it's always been another guy 509 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 7: with my it was Raheem Mostered or somebody else putting the. 510 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: Ball in the end zone. He's Kenny. 511 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, even if you watch fantasy like, he's the guy 512 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 7: who gets the yardage. 513 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 3: He is the canine, which is why he would be 514 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 3: so dang right perfect. 515 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, Dick, I'm saying he's Kenny Walker, and 516 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: the idea that somebody else is Zach Sharbonning. That's the 517 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: point that Sharbonne was the one with the touchdowns this year. 518 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: He was the guy that was getting the ball inside 519 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: the five yard line, not Kenny Walker, which according to 520 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Greg Bell, is one of the reasons. 521 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 3: Why Cane I dug off well because he was pissed. 522 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: I were saying, But if you add in the receiving news, yes, yes, 523 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 5: a Chan had as many touchdowns as Zach Sharbone. 524 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: Hey, you don't have to convince me, man, I mean, 525 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm all in right, I'm all in on on 526 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: a Chan. I I think absolutely. I think you're talking 527 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: about the last pick in the first round and the 528 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: last pick in the third round. They may as well 529 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: be second and fourth rounders, by the way, and a 530 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: sixth round draft pick next year for Devon ah Chan 531 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: who can do everything Kenny Walker can do and maybe 532 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: even better. 533 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: What are we talking about? 534 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 7: I would amend, I would amend, I would say no 535 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 7: to these, Zach Pohl, I would admitge to a third 536 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 7: next year. Okay, just because we have such little capital 537 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 7: this year. I just think we need some capital this year, 538 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 7: even though the draft's down, we need some capitals. 539 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: I would change the third next He just turned it 540 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: into Devon ah Chan. 541 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: And if I can guarantee you that the two guys 542 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: that you're gonna draft it first and third this year 543 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: are going to combine into Devon ah Chan and become 544 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: that player, you would say, where do I sign? 545 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: Right? 546 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm going back to the old man on. 547 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 5: The street that we that we talked about last time. Yes, 548 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 5: you asked the man in the street who Sakwan Barkley is? Right, 549 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 5: you asked the man on the street who Christian McCaffrey is, 550 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 5: and then you ask the man on the street who 551 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: Devon A Chan is. I bet ten out of one 552 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 5: hundred people know Devon is on the street. 553 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Nima ho Jack Hope, I'm getting your name right. Nima 554 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: says massive overpay. The right value for a chan is 555 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: the sixty fourth pick and something light as a sweetener. 556 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: He's only got one year left on this deal. 557 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: Whether the Seahawks resigned players they trade for is irrelevant 558 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: for purposes of trade compensation. 559 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: I agree with that last statement. 560 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: But there's this idea that, hey, we're not going to trade, 561 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: We're not going to resign this. Why not? Why not 562 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: resign the guy? I mean, I get it. It's a 563 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: lot of money. But guys, the cap is going up. 564 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: It's got a fifty million dollars in two and a 565 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: half years. Like, what are we talking about? 566 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 5: And you know what you use your money for? You 567 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 5: use your money for super star stars. That's what you 568 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: use your money. Yes, yes, all right, Well we've decided 569 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 5: you people are stupid. All the people voting know, I mean, 570 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 5: everybody voting knows a moron. 571 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: I get, I. 572 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 5: Get what Jackson is saying. Like it that is that 573 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 5: price tag. That's a lot steeper. 574 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: That's a lot. 575 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 5: It's steeper than what I think the Seahawks would have 576 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 5: to pay. 577 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: It might not even take that. 578 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: That's the point, right, Like you know, Hakman said, you know, 579 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: we kind of twist his arm a little bit. He's 580 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: kind of a dolphin guy and doesn't want to see 581 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: eh Chan go. And I'm just really curious if they 582 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: actually are planning on resigning the guy, because if they're not, 583 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: they're complete dipsticks, absolute morons. Now, you could potentially see 584 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: Miami start off two and six or whatever, and then 585 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: they trade him at the deadline, and you're giving up 586 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: a lot less at that point for Devon h Chan 587 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: than what you're trading for with a full season. So 588 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: that's what we talked about yesterday. Guys that John Schnyder, 589 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: like it or not, has gotten into a little bit 590 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: of a habit of making big moves at the deadline, 591 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: and this would be a big move. And I could 592 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: see something like this going down where they rely on 593 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: whatever they can get in the draft, whoever they have 594 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: in their room, Zach Sharbernay coming back and then say, 595 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: you know what, we got to make a move for 596 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: somebody here at the deadline, and maybe it's a Chan, 597 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's somebody else, maybe another running back, Pops open 598 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: at the deadline and they go out and make a 599 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: trade for that guy. But I would do it. I 600 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: think all three of us gone to our head. You're 601 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: saying no, Jackson, you would not do it for that compensation. 602 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: Just the slight adjustment. It doesn't matter, that's the offer. 603 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: Are you winning or you're out? Wow? 604 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: A third rounder this year versus a third rounder next 605 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: year has got you to say no to divide. 606 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 5: Better next Why wouldn't you rather have a third rounder 607 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 5: next year? 608 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: It's a good point. 609 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 7: There's twelve draft picks. We have twelve draft We don't 610 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 7: need the capitol next year. I think I do want 611 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 7: some capital this year. Listen, I get it. It's a 612 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 7: down three years because you always want to be able 613 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 7: to bring in a class and have them for four years. 614 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 5: We won a Super Bowl four years after. We got 615 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 5: zero out of the class at twenty twenty one. 616 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: That's the zero, the de Escrite one, right, yes, yeah, zero? 617 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: That nothing. 618 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: We had three picks on the Super Bowl twenty twenty 619 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: draft whatever it was, they got jack squad and I 620 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: mean that's five years later, so I mean, like that's 621 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: a long line. 622 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: Ran. 623 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: Jackson's out. That's fine. I'm barely out. 624 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're out, you're out here. You're you're 625 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: either on the Titanic or're jumping off. 626 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 7: Let mere phrase which you're phrasing a way that you'll understand. 627 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 7: I think that the number for that Twitter poll of 628 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 7: seventy what is it, seventy something percent? 629 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: Right, that's way too high. 630 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 5: It should be much closer twenty twenty one, by the way, 631 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 5: I just looked it up. 632 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: Yes, that was four years before. 633 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: All right, the other pole we got going on. If 634 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: you can only watch one tonight, what are you watching? 635 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: W BC Final between USA and Venezuela or the NCAA 636 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: first four eighty eight percent, WBC twelve percent? 637 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: Say the college basketball first four? 638 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 5: Do they know that Cal's not playing? 639 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: That's probably the reason. I don't know a majority of 640 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 3: people would watch it. That's me. So now do you 641 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: change your boat? 642 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 7: No, So, if kel was starting, I would watch the WBC. 643 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: But now that he's not, exactly, I. 644 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: Don't think that's the case. I think people are more 645 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: into this than you think. I know that you guys 646 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: aren't into it, and that's totally fine. Like you don't 647 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: always have to be in the majority, Like you guys 648 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: understand that there are things that I know for a 649 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: fact I am in the absolute minority on and I 650 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: don't even care, right, So, I think that this WBC 651 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: thing has taken off more than it's taken off for you, 652 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: for sure. I also think you're a bigger basketball fan 653 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: than you are a baseball fan. 654 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: That's obviously clear as day. 655 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: And then number three, I just think this is a 656 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: tournament that's been growing and growing and growing, and honestly, 657 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: the best thing for it, to be honest with you, 658 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: is probably what we just had happen. Some controversy with 659 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: the USA team that gets people talking about the tournament. 660 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: They survive it and then go win the whole damn thing. 661 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 3: But I think that's the thing. 662 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 5: The controversy overshadowed the baseball doesn't matter. Randya Rose Arena 663 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 5: and cal Mark DeRosa, the bad call to lose the 664 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 5: game against I mean, all these things happened that had 665 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 5: nothing to. 666 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Do with baseball doesn't matter. The tournament needed it, They 667 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: needed people chatting about it. They needed people talking about it. 668 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like, what was the number one thing 669 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: involving Caitlin Clark that we've been talking about for the 670 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: last two years. 671 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: What's the number one thing? 672 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: How much other players don't like her, right, and the 673 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: animosity that's got nothing to do with what's happening on 674 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: the court and how great a player she is. But 675 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: everybody's talking about this, like you flip on ESPN and 676 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: they're talking about this disdain. Other people are right or wrong, 677 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: and it's great. It got people talking about the w NBA. 678 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: At some point, it's going to get tiresome. I agree 679 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: with that, right, at some point you're going to move 680 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: on and have the focus beyond the baseball. But there 681 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: their ratings are out the the The ratings for the 682 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: USA game against the dr was the highest rated game 683 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: they've had. Over seven and a half million people watch 684 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: that thing. It's it's just getting bigger and bigger every 685 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: single freaking year. This thing is getting bigger and bigger. 686 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: Man So we'll say maybe tonight we'll have a classic 687 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: between Venezuela and the Americans that everybody's talking about until 688 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: the end of time.