1 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Not Joe Liber. 2 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: He is up next and bratsaw on Brian cafean text 3 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: line is willing to accept any of your questions or 4 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: observations for mister Liber six four six eight six is 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: of course that number got a lot more vikings, several 6 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: more vikings talking points to get to as well. Liber 7 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: brought to you by our good friends at Sierra Nevada 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: Brewing Company. 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: He'll give us later. 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: His Sierra Nevada hopsplash Player of the game and he 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: now joins us via the. 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Connectico Water Systems hotline. 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: From the Ben Lieber perspective, now that you've had a 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: few hours to process the Eagles law, the loss to 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles is at the top of the Ben 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: Leeber blame list for well, maybe I'll put it in a 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: different way. What did you find most disappointing about the 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: Vikings performance yesterday? 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 3: Oh? 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 4: Boy, you know, it's hard to narrow it down. I mean, 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 4: there was a lot of things to like. I mean, 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: I did enjoy the fact that we executed our first 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 4: down play action the profession. You know, we had six 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: or seven first down plays off of play action that 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: we went well over one hundred yards on those plays. 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: So it's like the the idea in the philosophy going 27 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: to the game at worked. I wish that we would 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 4: have stuck to the run game a little bit more 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: and actually, you know, pounded those guys because you know, 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: that was a pretty pretty light defensive edge for the Eagles. 31 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: You know, when thea Darius Smith kind of up and 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 4: retires midweek early in the week, it really kind of 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: decimated the girth in the in the build of their 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: outside and they've had a bunch of injuries and all 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 4: that stuff, and not being said, you know, they're starting 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 4: outside linebackers, their edge guys or you know, right around 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: two forty to forty five, two fifty, and so they're 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: not big guys. And I just really thought, and you 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: saw it sort of in the start of the second 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: half that we attacked the perimeter in the edge a 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: lot better. I just thought we could stick with that. 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 4: It would have made the play action much more effective. 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: And then obviously defensively, when we work so hard to 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 4: get the quarterback out of the pocket, not being able 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: to affect some of those scramble throws and a second 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: chance throws, that was pretty disappointing. 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: First and ten from the nineteen of the Eagles and 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: first and ten from the fifteen of the Philadelphia Eagles. 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: Seven pass attempts in those two situations in completion incompletion, 50 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: high snap in completion incompletion than the holding call that 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: didn't negate a touchdown throw. To your point, I agree 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: with you, And now again I'm not here to say 53 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: we win the game. Who knows. There's a lot of factors. 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 2: As you said, we're going to try to examine with you. 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: But that's the part that still gets to me. To 56 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: your point, that mixed especially in a day where it appeared, 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: like I said, you might have had some you were 58 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: showing that you had some opportunity, not against every front obviously, 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 2: not against every defense, but had some opportunity. And let's 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: face it, with a running back who kind of welcomes 61 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: that and relishes that and has shown he's got the 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: power and the versatility to do something. 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: With the ball. 64 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. You know, I wish in hindsight, 65 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: you know, especially when we're second and one and we have, 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: you know, multiple passes in a row, and it's like, hey, 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: this is this is what we you know, first of all, 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: isn't that sort of the reason why we wanted to 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: rebuild this offensive. 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, not not. 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: Necessarily just for past protection. Of course you want to 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 4: do both. But I thought the mentality the off season was, 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 4: let's build up our offensive line, protect the quarterback, and 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 4: let's start running down hill. You know, let's let's have 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: a new attitude where we're just gonna come out and 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: play physical football. Use that play action pass which did 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: work yesterday, but just like really be able to have 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: the ability to pound people in the field, and then 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: when we get close to the goal line in the 80 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: high red zone area or the low red zone area, 81 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: I just you know, again, I think, you know, in hindsight, 82 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: we should have ran the ball more with a bigger 83 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: back in a rebuild offensive line. I will go back 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 4: and say this that the when we had first and 85 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: ten on the nineteen yard line, there was a pass. 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: There was a quick throw out to Addison out to 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 4: the flat, and immediately it falls in complete. Carson's immediately 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: tapping his shoulder pads in his chest, saying my bad, 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 4: my bad, even as Addison ran back, even sort of 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: like give a little five, is saying like, my bad, 91 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: my bad. If that's a better throw, and I'm not 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: even saying like it has to be like perfect. If 93 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: it's just on target, that's a touchdown. 94 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: That's true. 95 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 4: I mean the way they scheme that up. The closest 96 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: defender was probably five yards away and he was redirecting 97 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: his body to go after Addison. So you know, you 98 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 4: look at some of those plays and you're like, that's 99 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: I know, people might be upset that that's a passing play, 100 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: but if it's completed, it's at least it's at least 101 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 4: a first down and now your first and goal. So 102 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: it is missed opportunities like that that are very frustrating. 103 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the second, the second field goal possession, they got 104 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: second and one at the six. That's the one to 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Jefferson they probably should have caught. Now it's third and one, 106 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: another pass incomplete that was the to Naylor. And then 107 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: on the fourth on fourth down, you go, you know, 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: you go for it and you get the touchdown nullified obviously, 109 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: and then at that point with the holding penalty, at 110 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: that point you have to kick the field goal. Just 111 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: mix it in again. We'll never know, but I think 112 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: it would have helped for sure. So in terms of 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: give me your evaluation on the defensive side here because 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: we talked early in the show. You know, the team 115 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: gave up twenty eight points, but seven of those points 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: were on a pick six, so you can argue that 117 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: in terms of points allowed, it wasn't like the Eagles 118 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 2: dominated the Vikings defense. But when they're able to gash 119 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: for as many of the long plays, passing plays with 120 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: wide open receivers as they did, it doesn't feel right. 121 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like the defense necessarily did its job. 122 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: There were the three straight third downs in the second 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: half third and in all three cases it was I 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: think third and nine or line or longer, and the 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: Eagles were able to convert on all of those as well. 126 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: So what was it our concentration on dealing with their 127 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: running game? Why were they able to get such attraction 128 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: with big plays, big passing plays. 129 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: Well, to me, they they sort of took the the 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 4: game plan that the Broncos gave them. I think the 131 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: Broncos had something like six sacks against them, and and 132 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: four of those sacks were just a four man rush. 133 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: There was some presnat disguise built into that that confused 134 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts and that allowed the four man rush to 135 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 4: get there. Now, we did a lot of the same 136 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: things where we would bluff and just bring a four guys. 137 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: Now the four guys might come from a different level, 138 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: but it's still just a four man rush. It worked 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: enough to confuse them. But then again, we get him 140 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: outside the pocket and he's able to create We can't 141 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 4: we can't chase with proper angles, or we don't have 142 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 4: a guy in the right rush lane. We have a 143 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: guy that breaks contain. And then all of a sudden, 144 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: now it becomes like I said earlier, these second chance, 145 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: these secondary routes, and that was happened on that first drive. 146 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Mitchellis is in the right spot. 147 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: Aj Brown stops his route because he's like, oh, that 148 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: was my route, and oh I see the quarterback in trouble, 149 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: and they all these receivers are trained to find green 150 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: grass and just get open, and that's what happened there. 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: And then you know, you look at the seventy nine 152 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 4: yardner that that DeVante had, and that to me looked 153 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: like one of our safeties. I'm gonna call it cover 154 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: three bit down, a little bit too low on an 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: intermediate route, and he probably should have at least provided 156 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: some help. And you know, challenged that pass because to me, Isaiah, 157 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: if they were in cover three, Isaiah played it pretty well. 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: He kind of stayed outside leverage, he was staying pretty deep. 159 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: He was trying to funnel him into the safety and 160 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: that deep safety and it just didn't work out. So 161 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: I mean, props to them for scheming everything up. But 162 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: again it's it seemed like more of a player bust 163 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 4: than it did just an adavoid to them. So again, 164 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: you know, all of this is in hindsight. You know, 165 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: wish you could have done things differently here and there, 166 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 4: and they just made the big plays when they need 167 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 4: to make them. But to your point, I don't think 168 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,479 Speaker 4: the defense played nearly as bad as maybe the score indicates. 169 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: Pass rush. What did you make I didn't feel like 170 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: we got enough pressure on Hurts? What did you make 171 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: of the the that part of the story. 172 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, same, You know, I don't know what it is about, 173 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 4: just like a four man rush and sometimes you know, 174 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: we have players that's running right down the middle of 175 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: these offensive linemen and you know, they're a pretty big 176 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 4: offensive line. I mean, to a man, those guys are 177 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: pretty pretty thick and sturdy outside of maybe the right guard, 178 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: and it seemed like time and time again, we weren't 179 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 4: using that speed, we weren't trying to be more athletic 180 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: to them. There were times we were bowl rushing, and 181 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: maybe that was part of the game plan because of 182 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: the way that Jalen hurts, I think sometimes prematurely breaks 183 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: the pocket, and they fact, well, if he's not going 184 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: to stay in the pocket and he wants to get 185 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: outside and give himself a clean look, well we're not 186 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: going to have a bunch of drive bys. We're not 187 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: going to be doing a lot of this and that 188 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: we just want to just sort of hit right down 189 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: the middle of these guys, get off, get some separation, disengage, 190 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 4: and make the play. I think maybe that was the theory. 191 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 4: It's just that we didn't execute it. 192 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: Nacho leeber kind of enough to join us brat Shawn 193 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: Bryan Kafan text line is open if you have questions 194 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: for him, I will try to include them. At six 195 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: four six eighty six, the injury report for today indicates 196 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: that JJ is limited in practice, and I think it 197 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: also said Wentz was as well. I felt along that 198 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: as long as McCarthy is listed as limited and the 199 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: head coach hasn't gotten the full look or a feeling 200 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 2: of comfort that he is as close to one hundred 201 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: percent as possible, that with the short amount of time 202 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: between Sunday game yesterday and a Thursday game, that almost 203 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: regardless of whether Wentz played badly or well, that it 204 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: was likely JJ would not see the field Thursday. Do 205 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: you agree or do you think there still could be 206 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: a wild card here? I mean it's almost academic though. 207 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: I would think if if he's still not, you know, 208 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: moving around right then whatever the head coach might want 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: to do right now becomes immaterial, doesn't it. 210 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, the thing is like I think the X 211 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: factor in all of this is like, we really don't 212 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: know how bad Wentz's shoulder is, true, and is it 213 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 4: just is it banged up? Is it one of those 214 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: things where it can get worse? I mean, there was 215 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 4: a time in the game where he took a hit 216 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 4: and he just kind of grimaced, that sort of held 217 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: that left arm a little closer to his body. But 218 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: then again, at the end of the game, you know, 219 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: he had two third down runs, you know, one for 220 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: twelve yards one for sixteen yards where he scrambled, played 221 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: with no fear. Didn't look like he was favoring that 222 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: shoulder at all. You know, he did dirt it a 223 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 4: couple of times with his body to get down to 224 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 4: not take a bad hit, but he was he was 225 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 4: just competing out there, as you heard coach talk about 226 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 4: after the game, and so that leads me to believe. 227 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: And it looked like, you know, from that point on 228 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: to the to the rest of the game, it's like, 229 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: I don't think that he really reinjured the shoulder. The 230 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: shoulder looks worse. I know it's probably gonna be sore today, 231 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 4: but I would think if he's about the same as 232 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: he was last week with that shoulder, he's still better 233 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: off with a non throwing shoulder injury than maybe McCarthy 234 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: with that plant foot his right foot being banged up still. 235 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: So we have obviously significant issues with Brandell at center. 236 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: He'd been the story a week ago or or when 237 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: or in Europe obviously that under you know, difficult, challenging circumstances. 238 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: Maybe the Vikings had struck gold. It looked different yesterday. 239 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: I still feel like, even though you're getting other people 240 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: back that this line, I mean, I'm starting to wonder 241 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: whether we're ever going to see it. I mean the 242 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: line at least, that was the vision that this team 243 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: had going all the way back to the offseason and 244 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: training camp. 245 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: I gotta be honest, though, you know, I'm not as 246 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 4: maybe worried, you know, is there a little bit of 247 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: a red flag, Sure, because there's so much inexperience with 248 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: him at that condition. But I think that we played 249 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: a really unique defensive front. Now again, I don't think 250 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 4: that they're super talented the Eagles on the edges, but 251 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: I mean they have talent oozing with with Davis and 252 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: and Carter up front. We're not going to see We're 253 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: certainly not going to see that caliber of defensive front 254 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: against the Chargers. I mean, that's that's an area because 255 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: of free agency and injury that they're really depleted at 256 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: and they're hurting. They're struggling over there on defense that 257 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 4: that used to be their calling card. And Derwin and 258 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: Derwin James, who's supposedly their best player. I think that 259 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: he's missed more time this year than he had all 260 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 4: all of last year already in this season, so something's 261 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 4: not right with him. They got some real issues over 262 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 4: on that defense. So I think, you know, we are 263 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: playing in sort of a lesser caliber if if you 264 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: will defense, and certainly and I think an easier defensive front. 265 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm not as worried maybe with Brendel this 266 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: week and the whole offensive line than we then we 267 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: faced against the Eagles. 268 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: There was a lot of discussion late the age old 269 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: question of all right, you're in scoring territory. You're gonna 270 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: need two scores the Vikings. Obviously you're in range for 271 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: a touchdown, and that's the harder score to get, we'll 272 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: all agree, But you're also fighting the clock. So were 273 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: you fine with the strategy to continue to try to 274 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: score a touchdown? Do you think we should have cut 275 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: our losses earlier so that we had more clock, even 276 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: if there was no guarantee that we're going to get 277 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: back in position to get the touchdown that you're going 278 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: to need if you kick the field goal in that possession. 279 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: You know, I was fine with it, actually, because I 280 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: do think you know the theory and I don't know 281 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: the analytics behind it, but in my mind it's like, 282 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 4: you're you've already worked that so hard to get down there, 283 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: and if you if you play the numbers game off 284 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: of the game clock, you know, you're probably at best 285 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 4: going to get the ball back, probably deep in your 286 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 4: own territory and forced the punt that you might have 287 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 4: less than a minute to get down the field, and 288 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: who knows how many timeouts you have left. So the 289 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: idea working under a minute to get down the field 290 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: to get a field goal, and we know what our kicker, 291 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: our kicker is capable of, especially in our building, I 292 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: thought there's a higher probability of that to happen versus 293 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: having under you know, maybe a minute forty five, two 294 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: minutes and having to score a touchdown. I would say so, yes, 295 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: I think the way that they played it out is 296 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: the way I would have done it, even in hindsight. 297 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: The thing that I have a little bit of a 298 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: problem with is we we got the ball in that 299 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: possession with about six thirty and change on the on 300 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 4: the game clock, and we acted like we had it 301 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: was the start of the fourth quarter. It just didn't 302 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: seem like the first four or five plays. There was 303 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: a sense of urgency. And I'm and I know that 304 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: you want to bleed the clock a little bit if 305 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: you're playing everything out in your mind the way you 306 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: want it to be. But man, I just assume like 307 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: you get almost in the two minutesode We're like, we 308 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: got to get down, we got to score. We got 309 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: to figure out what we're going to do here, whether 310 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: it's going to be a field goal or a touchdown, 311 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: but we gotta we got to give our defense some 312 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: time to operate and then thus give our offense some 313 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 4: time to operate with more time on the clock than maybe, 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: you know, forty five seconds on the clock. 315 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: That's fair. 316 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: What did you what about the Hockinson play in the 317 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: end zone? 318 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: You know, I was just barking about this after the game, 319 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 4: and you know, even a little bit this morning with 320 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: the Power Trip guys, that all I really care about 321 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: is consistency from the league office. If New York is 322 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: going to take over and take the responsibility away from 323 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: the in game officials, that's fine. I'm okay with that, 324 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 4: but just be consistent. And you know, this argument has 325 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: been built up now in the last twenty four hours 326 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: about this inconsistency you know we have. And I wasn't 327 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 4: thinking about this at the time when I was kind 328 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: of barking about this after the game, all this other stuff, 329 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 4: but you know, the Travis Kelce catch, somebody brought to 330 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 4: my attention, and I remember watching it. It was a 331 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 4: controversial catch, was it a couple of weeks ago? Where 332 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: the ball clearly hits the ground, he traps it, They 333 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: review it and they're like, no, that's a good catch, 334 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 4: And everybody in football world is like, how is that 335 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 4: a good catch? Like, are we looked at the same thing. 336 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 4: And then the very first quarter of this game against 337 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: the Eagles, you know, I think it was Smith. He 338 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: goes down to his knees to catch a ball, his 339 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: fingers on the outside of the football. It clearly looks 340 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 4: like to me, as we're taking this frame by frame, 341 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 4: that the ball off the ground and actually aids him 342 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 4: and corralling the football and gaining possession. They say that's 343 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: a catch. Even though the ball hits the ground and 344 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: it looks like it deflects up into his lap, they 345 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 4: say that's a catch. And then Hawkinson's is not a catch. 346 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, I understand the logic of the ball 347 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 4: touching the ground, but let's just be consistent with the 348 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: calls here across the league. And I guess I'm just 349 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 4: taking my argument even you know, into the Travis Kelcey 350 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 4: situation too. Even outside of a game, it's like, what 351 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: is a catch? What isn't a catch? I don't think 352 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 4: that we're any closer to that with all the replays 353 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: in the frame by frame decision. 354 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: Making hop Splash player of the Game for Ben leeber. 355 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: Pop Splash Player of the Game. To me, a little 356 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 4: off the board a little bit is Will Fries. I 357 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 4: noticed him a few times, and now I have not 358 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: watched the All twenty two yet, but I just thought 359 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: that he played a real physical game, you know, especially 360 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 4: especially in the second half. I'm and I alluded to 361 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 4: those runs that we had on the right side, and 362 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: we had some of those edge perimeter runs that went 363 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 4: for chunk plays. He really stood out to me, just 364 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: moving in space, capturing edges, getting angles, playing physical, you know, 365 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 4: being physical and past protection, whether he's blocking his guy 366 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: or giving help to somebody else. I he just he 367 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 4: just stuck out to me. So let's give him a 368 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 4: little bit of shine, a little bit of up. 369 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: No, nothing wrong with that. 370 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: Is there any what percentage chance do you apply to 371 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: the possibility that guards guy Max Brosmer starts or plays 372 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: at any point against the Chargers on Thursday night? 373 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 4: Well, I could see him playing. You know, I don't 374 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 4: know about starting again. We don't know the severity of 375 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 4: the left shoulder injury. But if it got worse, if 376 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 4: it gets worse and he's like barely able to function 377 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 4: and really kind of torque his throas because that shoulder 378 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 4: is too painful, then all we've heard for the last 379 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 4: four weeks is just how McCarthy's not ready. McCarthy's not ready, 380 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: like you certainly wouldn't force him out there. Then it 381 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: could be brozener, But I think the most likely scenario 382 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 4: is he may have to come in if Carson takes 383 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: a shot to that left shoulder. 384 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Do you I don't have the countdown in front of me. 385 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: Last week it was the thirty two days sidelines, so 386 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: we've got to be up to I think thirty five 387 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: thirty six in that range since. 388 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: JJ got hurt. Are you at all. 389 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: Surprised as taking this long? Do you think this is 390 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: the nature of that kind of injury? Do you think 391 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: the Vikings are being too cute waiting for he's got 392 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent in a league where there 393 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: ain't a lot of people who play one hundred percent, 394 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: even if they're young or old, or what do you think. 395 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that they're being cautious. 396 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if it's overly cautious, but 397 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know who was you know, Sam Donald? 398 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: Sam Donald last year, you know, when he cemented himself 399 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 4: as the starting quarterback. Are you telling me that percentage wise, 400 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: he wasn't where JJ McCarthy is right now at some 401 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: point in time with somebody part. You know, if you 402 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 4: think McCarthy is ninety percent at some point in time 403 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: in the season, guaranteed, Donald was looking at his body 404 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 4: and he's like, you know, my shoulder, my knee, my 405 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: ribs something. Yeah, maybe maybe you put it all together. 406 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 4: He's like, I'm less than one hundred percent. I'm at 407 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: ninety percent. Do you sit him? No, you know, you 408 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 4: make him battle through and you figure out a way. 409 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think they're being overly cautious. I don't 410 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: think it's I think it's smart in a lot of ways, 411 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 4: because you're you're looking if you're looking for this to 412 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: be a truly development year for this guy, it's it's 413 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 4: development and discovery. We don't know what we have out 414 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 4: of this guy. So do you want to know what 415 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: you have out this guy at one hundred percent, or 416 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 4: do you know what you have out of this guy 417 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: at eighty five to eighty percent. I'd rather see what 418 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 4: we got out of him at one hundred percent. Now, 419 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: he's probably going to get nicked up, banged up, all 420 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 4: the other stuff when he eventually starts starting again. But 421 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 4: I think for your first game back, why not have 422 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: him one hundred percent? So is it cautious? Yes? Is 423 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 4: it overly cautious and egregiously cautious? I don't think so. 424 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: I think they're playing in the long game and not 425 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 4: the short game. 426 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: Speaking of long game, it is a Thursday night game 427 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: against the Chargers. They just got lit up at home 428 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: by maybe the hottest team in football of the Indianapolis Colts. 429 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: It wasn't close. It's like thirty eight twenty four. What 430 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 2: do we need to know about the Chargers. I mean, 431 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: it's almost it feels like, you know, the Chargers have 432 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: lost three out of four. The only game they won 433 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: was barely against Miami, and so they're looking for their 434 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 2: you know, get back game, and the Eagles are looking 435 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: for one, and we kind of gave them, gave it 436 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: to them, I guess to that extent. How dangerous an 437 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: opponent do you view the Chargers at this point? 438 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: For the Purple, I have a ton of respect for 439 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: Herbert and that passing offense, even though I don't think 440 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 4: that they've been nearly as explosive this year. Their run 441 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 4: game has not been as good. They've they've suffered a 442 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 4: bunch of big time injuries on the offensive line, specifically 443 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: the left tackle spot. So they're they're going through it 444 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 4: right now. But it sounds like to me and everything 445 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 4: that I've kind of researched in the short amount of time, 446 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 4: is they're very disappointed with their defense. As I kind 447 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 4: of alluded to earlier that the defense was supposed to 448 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: be their calling card, and it's it's not at all. 449 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: And you want to talk about a game in which 450 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 4: we can play action, this should be the game there. 451 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: They're second level defense, they're strong safety. I'll put Derwin 452 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 4: James in that mix. Their linebackers, they will bite on 453 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: the run fake and it is hurt them in the 454 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: passing game so much that that intermediate passing attack it 455 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: should be wide open. But the caveat to all that is, 456 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 4: you know, we have a reluctance to commit to the 457 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: run game, so they're going to see that on film. 458 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: You know, we had eight runs in this first half 459 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 4: against the Eagles, we had eleven runs, and the second 460 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 4: half versus the Eagles the far cry from what the 461 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 4: Indianapolis Colts put on tape good. So I'm sure those 462 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 4: guys were juiced up. Those guys were juiced up just 463 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: to try to stop Taylor. I don't know if I'm 464 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: a defensive player on the charges right now, but I'm 465 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: going to be truly juiced up. Looking at the game 466 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 4: tape from the last couple of games, I'm like, hey, 467 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: this is a passing offense. I'm going to play the 468 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: pass first and then we're going to react to the run. 469 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 4: A lot easier said than done, but I think that 470 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: we have to go into this game and say we 471 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 4: are one hundred percent committee to the run early and 472 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: then we can open up the passing game in the 473 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 4: second half. 474 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: I appreciate you, as always, have fun in La La Land. 475 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: We'll talk next. 476 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 4: Week, all right, appreciate it. 477 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. 478 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: That is Ben Leber, brought to you by Sierra Nevada 479 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: Brewing comp good conversation with him. 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You can get complete show details, including a 492 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: link to buy tickets at KFA dot com keyword calendar. 493 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: All right, we got more Vikings talking points to get 494 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: to much more about the post mortem after a disappointing 495 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: loss the Philadelphia Eagles, a game that at least for 496 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: a while I felt like was there at twenty one sixteen, 497 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 2: And on the other hand, you could say, but was 498 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: it really there? Given the ability the Eagles had when 499 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: they really needed to not just to score, but to 500 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: kind of score over the top with long passes. That's 501 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: a very very fair point. 502 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: Where's the. 503 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: Text I was looking for? Here, here we go. This 504 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: is from Saul and Blaine. This is going to get 505 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: some people going. Wentz has been in this system for 506 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: two months. McCarthy was anointed at the starter, got first 507 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: team reps all off season, and was able to be 508 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: in meetings all last year while injured, Cut went some slack. 509 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: He was doing what a backup should do, keep the 510 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: team afloat. He's two and two as a starter. McCarthy 511 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: should be more ready, but he is not. It is 512 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: what it is. Should have signed Rogers and let the 513 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: kids learn at least one more year. Donald and Jones 514 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 2: wanted to be the starters and wanted contracts more than 515 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: one year. Defense has a knack of looking great against 516 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: bad teams and looking for looking bad against good teams. 517 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: This is the most weapons Floors has had to work with. 518 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: In games like yesterday, just can't happen on home turf. 519 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: So Saul is He's coming in strong. They're on a 520 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: number of issues. I it's old news, but I who 521 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: knows how different. There's no way to know that everything 522 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: would be fine if the Vikings had found a way 523 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: to keep Daniel Jones or had found a way to wu, 524 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: Well I did. 525 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: They don't have They didn't have to woo Aaron Rodgers. 526 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: Rogers was ready to come here. They just signed. We're 527 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: going to do it. We're going to take the leap. 528 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: There's no way to know this because if you factor 529 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: in this offensive line, you say, well, Rogers might be dead. 530 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: And the other hand, Rodgers is pretty good about getting 531 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: rid of the ball quick. He doesn't take hits, even 532 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: if true, even if it might be a three yard 533 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: pass that it can be frustrating sometimes. So you know, 534 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: the story of this season has yet to be told. 535 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: The signs right now are concerning. Right, we're already at 536 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: three losses. We lost four games all of last regular season. Now, 537 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: probably wasn't realistic to think we were going to match 538 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: what do we finished last year? 539 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: Fourteen? 540 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: Well, actually we've matched yeah, fourteen and three. We have 541 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: three already, right, so is it realistic I think we're 542 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: gonna have fourteen and three again? 543 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Probably not. 544 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people who might have liked 545 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: this team said, well, they'll probably lose several more games 546 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: than that. But there's really is it not fair to 547 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: say that at this point we really haven't established anything. 548 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: The old cliche about identity. We haven't really established anything 549 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: of what we supposedly are, what we like to think 550 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: we are. We're not a horrible defense statistically in terms 551 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: of points allowed. Yardage were not so good, and key 552 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: points were not so good. Takeaways were awful because five 553 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: of the seven came against one team. Right, offensively, we 554 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: don't have the guy we want out a quarterback, but 555 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: he struggled in seven of the first eight quarters. Carson 556 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: Wentz has come back to the Pack to be what 557 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: he probably is a backup. Although I'm still not as 558 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: down on him as some that's not apologizing for him. 559 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: That's just keeping my eyes and ears open about what 560 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: he inherited and how this thing has played out. But 561 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: he clearly has come back to the pack enough to 562 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: say that you're going to get McCarthy in there when 563 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: you can, but be careful what you wish for, because 564 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: there's no guarantee that that's going to necessarily save the season. 565 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: And this is supposed to be This is not supposed 566 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: to be a lost season, even with a young quarterback. 567 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 2: The Vikings that convinced themselves that this was not supposed 568 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: to be a lost season, and I will maintain a 569 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: belief that there would have been less of a chance 570 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 2: that we would look upon this as a lost season, 571 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: even at this point if they'd gone another route at 572 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: the quarterback position and played it out one more year, 573 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: even if they are going to make McCarthy sit for 574 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: another whole season. This is day thirty six since McCarthy 575 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: got hurt, and I mean, let me ask you this question. 576 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: Let's say, for the sake of this discussion, that the 577 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: Vikings were playing on Sunday against the Chargers, not Thursday. Yeah, 578 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: my gut tells me we still would not have seen. 579 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: The kid. 580 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that if he continues to be limited, 581 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: presumely that means he still can't practice full. So did 582 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: we think there was going to be a miracle cure 583 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: tomorrow or Wednesday? I guess it's possible it could have 584 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: gotten ramped up at that point, but I don't know 585 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: that that's necessarily the case. So he's going to get 586 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: what's the date of the Detroit game? You told me 587 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: early November November, So you did you add up the 588 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: number of days between the day he was the game 589 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: he was hurt the second game of the season in 590 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: November two I'm I'll be honest, I don't remember a 591 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: high ankle sprain that's ever taken that long for anybody myself, 592 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going on here exactly. And 593 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: there is isn't Isn't there a part of you that 594 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: also says, well to Leeber's point earlier about about Darnold, 595 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: why are we why are we adhering to this standard 596 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: with him in a league regardless of age, which is 597 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: in part about you know, you got to get yourself 598 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: ready because there's no there's really no such thing as 599 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Are we worried that he's that breakable, 600 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: or he's that vulnerable, or he's that green that the 601 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: only way we would consider playing him is we got 602 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: to see a full week. 603 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: Does that mean five straight days? 604 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, right, seven straight days of him going 605 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: full More so, it feels to me like they're being 606 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: overly protective of him to a certain degree. And all 607 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: this I think accentuates is you made a decision. You're 608 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: stuck with it now. You made a decision that I 609 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: think if you go back to that at last offseason, 610 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: on the basis of all the other moves you made 611 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: and the position that you thought you were in that. 612 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: I'm still not sure. My sense is that there's a 613 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: good chance the organization might end up regretting it. Now, 614 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: if he comes back against Detroit and takes off all 615 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: this will be taken care of right, and we'll say, wow, 616 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, that's a really nice recovery. Maybe he learned 617 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: some things while he was out. He just needed more reps. 618 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: He just needs to go out there and play more, 619 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: which is true. But you're back to what your purpose 620 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: is for the twenty twenty five season. Did you see 621 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: the Adam Schefter twitter controversy about JJ McCurry yesterday. 622 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm just going to read you first. 623 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to redo his tweet, and then the reader's notes, 624 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: you know, the readers add context. 625 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Yes, this is for me. 626 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: Yesterday, when Vikings quarterback JJ McCarthy suffered a week two 627 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 2: high ankle sprain right, doctors expected it to be a 628 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: six week injury. Nothing has changed. It still looks like 629 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: a six week injury, which means McCarthy would miss next 630 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: week and possibly be able to return in week nine 631 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: at Detroit. Do you have any comments on that? Before 632 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: I give you the reader's context? No, readers added context 633 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: as reported by Schefter himself in his own post, the 634 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: injury was expected to sideline McCarthy two to four weeks. 635 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: You forgot what he'd written, apparently apparently evidently I'm pulling 636 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: up the post just to make sure that I'm reading 637 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: it correctly. But yes, ESPN sources JJ McCarthy's expected to 638 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: be sidelined two to four weeks with a high ankle sprain. 639 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: Was McCarthy out Vikings quarterback Carson Wentz is now in 640 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 2: line to start. Wow, I missed that completely. That is 641 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: interesting because if that part was true, and I'm sure 642 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: that's being leaked by somebody with the vice just say, look, 643 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: nothing has changed for us then. But what I would 644 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: also add to that is if that was true that 645 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: it was always a six week injury, they could have 646 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 2: been more forthcoming about that, right couple of weeks. Question 647 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: everybody's asking every single week, and Koc's chippy about it, 648 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: and at the press conferences and everything. They could have 649 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: easily said he's still he's going to be dealing with 650 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: some some some stuff for a while. Even JJ said, 651 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 2: you know, last week, it was still bothering him obviously, 652 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: But if the original six week timeline was true as 653 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: Shepdy says it was, they could have done. I imagine 654 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: they would have done a better job. So I'm not 655 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: necessarily buying it. Yeah, I agree, hundred percent healing right 656 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: or something else. I don't remember it being built that 657 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: way at all at the start, that's for sure. And 658 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: I understand that that ankle high ankle injuries are they're 659 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 2: very specific and they're not all equal, but I I'm 660 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: not sure I buy any. 661 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: Of that actually at this point. And as you. 662 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: Say, it would have been, it would have behooved them 663 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: if that was the case to slow play this more 664 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: and let people know, and they didn't, which tells me 665 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 2: they may be as surprise as anybody that's taking this long. 666 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: Let's break I sent to you. 667 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 2: This was an item that I'd meant to talk about 668 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 2: on Sunday. Blakemore was not here, but this is from 669 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: the Ross Tucker podcast member Ross Tucker. 670 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: I love Ross Tucker. 671 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: He has a pro football doctor on Doctor David Show, 672 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: and he had some interesting and volatile things to say 673 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: about the JJ story. And this was before obviously yesterday's game, 674 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: so we may play that back. Get to a couple 675 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: more vikings talking points. We're out at six today for 676 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 2: Minnesota Wild Hockey. 677 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. 678 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 2: Final segment of the show, The Show Wrap tonight because 679 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: we're out at six, brought to you by American Pressure 680 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: commercial grade pressure washers since nineteen seventy five. 681 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:00,240 Speaker 4: It's the Bumper to Bumper show rap. 682 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 2: All right, right, we're still again talking quarterbacks for the 683 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 2: talking point purposes Vikings Talking Points Day that this is. 684 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: Brought to you by Federated Insurance. 685 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Federated, and I want to thank 686 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: you for putting together what we like to call the 687 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: best of Wentz and the worst of Wentz. 688 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 3: Play actions, great drop steps away from Patrick Johnson, throws 689 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 3: to the left pot Jordan Addison at the Eagles forty 690 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 3: on Cheley Ringo, who's ever beatable, and he's finally taken 691 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 3: down at the thirty five. That's twenty five to Addison 692 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 3: and another first down, first down Minnesota from the Eagles 693 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: thirty five. Wentz under center, goes on a seven step 694 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: drop pumps throws to the right man open pot at 695 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: the fifteen yard line. Once again it's Jordan Addison. That 696 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 3: time he worked quin Yon Mitchell. That's a gain of 697 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: twenty first down Minnesota at the. 698 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: Eagles fifteen ten. 699 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 3: Viking's forty nine went shotgun three receivers right, Hawkinson to 700 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: the left of Darisov CJ. Hamm picks up a blitzer, 701 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: Wentz looks to run nice cut right to. 702 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: The forty five. 703 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 3: Look at the. 704 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 2: Powder cut left to. 705 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 3: The forty and he's taken down at the thirty four. 706 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: Look at him, goes the. 707 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: Analyst said, he went for sixteen yards and how badly 708 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 3: needed Vikings first down? 709 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 5: Holy god, he made you hot, Campbell miss and then 710 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 5: he goes up to red blanketship and says, somebody got 711 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 5: fir Eagles breaking ankles out there? 712 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: Where's this been? 713 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 3: Sur down thirty five from the Vikings thirty nine. Early 714 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 3: in the second quarter, Eagles lead seven to three. Jordan 715 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: Addison in motion to the right, Carson out of the shotgun. 716 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 3: He's hit as he throws, and he throws it right 717 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 3: to a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. It's Jalx Hunt 718 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: ten five touchdown Philadelphia. Jylyx Hunt, second year Houston Christian, 719 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: showing no mercy and giving no grace. Oh, it's back 720 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 3: to pass. He's running out to the right in the 721 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 3: end zone, loops one up deep to Addison in double coverage, 722 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 3: and Carson has thrown it right to a member of 723 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles. Interceptions. Andrew mccouba, the rookie from Texas, 724 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 3: with his second interception this season. And Carson Wentz has 725 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 3: thrown two interceptions today, and the Eagles have the ball 726 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 3: right around midfield. Second and eight for the Minnesota Vikings 727 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 3: from the Eagles nine fourteen to six. Philadelphia Wentz under 728 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 3: center offset I left play action. He's looking to the 729 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 3: left side, Carson. Now he'll flip it ahead and it's 730 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: going to be deemed an incomplete pass. 731 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: Flag comes in. 732 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 3: That's the browning officer eleventh ten yard penalty. 733 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: RUSSA down the Dell. 734 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 5: It amazes me, Paul, when you're snapping the football in 735 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 5: the nine yard line or so and you're under pressure. 736 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 5: If a quarterback throws the football out of the back 737 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 5: of the end zone, it's never intentional ground A great point, 738 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 5: So just set your feet and throw the thing out 739 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 5: the back of the end zone. Yeah, that's an awareness thing, 740 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 5: and it's little mistakes like that. And the intentional grounding 741 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 5: is even worse because you lose a down. 742 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: Now it's third, Yeah, and. 743 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 3: About eight we're third and eighteen. 744 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 5: He could I'm sorry, third and eighteen, where yeah, he 745 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 5: could have just thrown that thing again out of the 746 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 5: back of the end zone. So under pressure, just some 747 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 5: bad decisions by Wentz so far today. 748 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: Hmm. So there you have it. 749 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 2: There's the yin and the yang of it, the best 750 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: of Wentz and the worst of Wentz. As we said earlier, 751 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 2: he played badly enough that the door is definitely open. 752 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 2: I for a change, but it's the material. It's academic 753 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 2: because the guy you want to change to, or that 754 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: the guy that the head coach wants to change who 755 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 2: is not available. 756 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: As simple as that. 757 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: Now, the X factor might be could Wentz's left shoulder 758 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 2: be getting worse? He tends to take a beating every 759 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 2: whe he looked like he was wincing a couple of 760 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: times in pain. Also sense that he does have some 761 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 2: gamer in him, So I think I will still be 762 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 2: surprised if he doesn't start on Thursday night. But there's 763 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 2: nothing you know, again, I'll say respectfully to the mc bowbos, 764 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 2: your guy's got to play, I mean, sooner or and 765 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: I get it. He may not be ready to play, 766 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 2: but there's nothing to talk about and nothing to get 767 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 2: excited about. There's nothing to evaluate at this point. If 768 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: he's not he can't play, and he's clearly not ready 769 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 2: to play. Now, if I thought that the head coach 770 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 2: was convinced, let's just say late last week that McCarthy 771 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: as of Thursday. 772 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: Do we practice on Friday or not? I don't remember. 773 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 2: Let's say he practiced pretty close to full Wednesday, and Thursday, 774 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 2: the last day of practice, practice, and and and and 775 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 2: then and was hey, he's moving. Do I think it's 776 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 2: possible that in the in that situation that the head 777 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 2: coach would yeah, I do, even on the with the 778 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 2: short turnaround this week, but there's no sign of that. 779 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 2: They continue every day to say he's limited. So as 780 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 2: long as he's limited, there ain't nothing to think about, 781 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 2: no matter how much you despise what Carson Wentz has 782 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 2: or hasn't done under hardly ideal circumstances across the board. 783 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: Now, I mentioned. 784 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 2: The podcast of what's the name of the podcaster? The 785 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 2: Ross Tucker Podcast, Doctor David chow Is at Pro Football 786 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 2: Doctor Ross. 787 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: We've had Tucker. 788 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 2: It's been a while, but obviously he's a big time 789 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 2: podcaster these days, and he apparently has a you know 790 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 2: one of those doctors who weighs in, which can be problematic. 791 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 2: I know it drives the teams crazy because I assume 792 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 2: the doctor hasn't examined in this case, JJ McCarthy's tender ankle, right. 793 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: But that's what he's paid to do. 794 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 2: This is what he said sometime either late last week 795 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 2: or over the weekend. This was before the Vikings Eagles 796 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 2: games game. 797 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: Let's listen. 798 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy, we have said from the get go is 799 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 6: hiding behind health. Not saying that JJ doesn't want to play, 800 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 6: not saying that Kevin O'Connell wants to bench him, not 801 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 6: saying that JJ McCarthy is not hurt. He does have 802 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 6: an ankle injury. It is a high ankle spring. But 803 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 6: you have to remember Patrick Mahomes played through that and 804 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 6: won a Super Bowl with the high ankle spring. I'm 805 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 6: not saying JJ McCarthy is Patrick Mahomes, but when you 806 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 6: have a rookie quarterback who's played seven bad quarters one 807 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 6: reasonable quarter, it's a good excuse to say, hey, sit 808 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 6: back down, you're not being benched, but learn a little bit, etc. 809 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: But you're not being benched. It's all about the ankle. 810 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: It's all about the. 811 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 6: Ankle, and we said on our podcast on Monday and 812 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 6: Sunday that it'll be interesting decision, and we were hinting 813 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 6: towards another week of Carson Wentz. They are playing the 814 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 6: Philadelphia Eagles, is their revenge angle. But JJ McCarthy admitted 815 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 6: his ankle is not one hundred percent. I get it, 816 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 6: it's not, but it's something that he can play through. 817 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: So there you have it. 818 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: I've said from the beginning, I don't think that the 819 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 2: injury is made up. I also don't think the Vikings 820 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 2: minded so much that he was gonna have to sit 821 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 2: a while. Now the question is at what point is 822 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 2: that is it too long? We are now at day 823 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 2: thirty six and he's not gonna play this week with 824 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 2: that much. We indeed know it's either gonna be Wentz, 825 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 2: or it's gonna be brosm or it's gonna be a 826 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: combination of the two. So you know, in terms of 827 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: in effact he's saying, it sounds like the doctor is 828 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 2: saying that the Vikings almost are breathing. Aside relief that 829 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 2: he's had this amount of time off. What's changed though, 830 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 2: is Wentz has started coming back to the pack and 831 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 2: we're getting into the you know, pretty close to the 832 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 2: middle of the season, right, at which point you have 833 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 2: to think, well, we gotta gotta get going, we gotta 834 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 2: get going. We got to figure out exactly what we're 835 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 2: doing here. Unless literally they think during the off time 836 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 2: they've come that Koc has come to the conclusion that 837 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 2: he didn't have as much in him yet as we 838 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 2: thought we did through a training camp and through a 839 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 2: lot of offseason workouts, et cetera. 840 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. 841 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 2: The key date is November. What you say, November two, 842 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 2: that's against the Lions. That's there too, correct, it is, 843 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 2: And so that's our next game after a Thursday night game. 844 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: So you got a huge gap. 845 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 2: You got basically two weeks from yesterday's when we play 846 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 2: the Lions, which means he's going to have extra time 847 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 2: to get back into the right position physically, one could say, 848 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 2: And what would assume by then if you still have 849 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 2: an ankle issue, then something serious more series is going on, 850 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 2: and you'd have to consider some sort of surgery. 851 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 5: Right. 852 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 2: You have to wonder what's happening if he's if he's 853 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 2: still hobbling at that point. 854 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. 855 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 2: I know everybody's clamoring for him. I know everybody's clamoring 856 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 2: for Brosmer, but especially you, But I also say what 857 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 2: we have, the phenomenon we have going on right now, 858 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 2: is we're making the assumption that whoever plays next other 859 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 2: than Carson Wentz, he's going to look great, right, And 860 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 2: that's human nature. But it's only because the most recent 861 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 2: stuff we've seen has been WinCE's and it has been 862 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 2: up and it has been down. I think it is 863 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 2: worth noting, and this will be another talking point that 864 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 2: a wide receiver who's us usually does a very good 865 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 2: job of helping out his quarterbacks, and he's had to 866 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 2: catch passes from a bunch of them. I'm not sure 867 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 2: he did that at a key moment in the game. 868 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 2: I'm talking about Justin Jefferson. Let's listen. 869 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 3: The tailback is Jordan Mason Wentz. The paid Let's side 870 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 3: to Jefferson incomplete. Jefferson left his speak to bring it in. 871 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 3: He had it, but Cooper did Jean knocked it out 872 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 3: of his hands. What an awesome play by the second 873 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 3: year corner from Iowa, with many in the crowd. He 874 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 3: went to Ida Grove High School in Iowa, then played 875 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 3: for the Hawkeyes for three years. Pete, that was a 876 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 3: heck of a play. 877 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a great throw by Carson Wentz on 878 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 5: the back shoulder and he just got the one arm 879 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 5: in between the hands of Justin Jefferson and knocked that 880 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 5: ball lows. 881 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: That was a good throw. 882 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 2: I mean, let's remember he made another throw that got 883 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 2: called back on a holding penalty. That was a good play. 884 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 2: I think it's past to Hawkins in the end zone 885 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 2: is pretty good. I still think it's a catch, but 886 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 2: it's that's academic. I'm only trying to point out that 887 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 2: as bad as some of and it will advised as 888 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 2: some of Wentz's throws were, and the the intentional grounding 889 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 2: penalty might have been his worst play that He had 890 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 2: a number of decent plays and in his couple cases 891 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 2: didn't not get any help from an offensive line from 892 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 2: time to time, did not get help from his best 893 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,919 Speaker 2: wide receiver. I think JJ, I mean, it was good 894 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 2: defensive help there, but I actually think that was more 895 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 2: JJ not holding onto the ball. In fact, he said 896 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 2: he tried to bring it in with one hand. Yeah, 897 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 2: I think that was the mistake he made because he 898 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 2: likes doing that a little bit, and I think he 899 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 2: realized that's a catch that he usually makes and needs 900 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 2: to make again. I'm not cutting him because more times 901 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 2: than not he's going to make the play. But to me, 902 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 2: that's a an a game in which we're looking at, 903 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, just a number of small items that might 904 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 2: have been the difference or certainly might have tilted the 905 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 2: game a certain way. That's four points there, right, Yeah, 906 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 2: we had to get a field go on that, and 907 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 2: maybe Carson feels good. I mean, I'm always the vibes 908 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 2: guy too. Yes, yeah, you throw a touchdown all of 909 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 2: a sudden, everybody breathes a little easier, maybe the defense 910 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 2: plays a little bit better. I think there's six red 911 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 2: zone appearances. One touchdown is unacceptable. Some of that is 912 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 2: absolutely on wins. Some of that I don't think a 913 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 2: big part of it is we talked about earlier the 914 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 2: show and is on the head coach. You know, second 915 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 2: and one, we don't run third and one, we don't 916 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,439 Speaker 2: run fourth and one, we don't run two drives where 917 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 2: it's first and ten inside their twenty five, and we 918 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 2: never run again. It's pass past, pass, past, pass, pass 919 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,479 Speaker 2: pass pas literally seven plays, and I, for the life 920 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,280 Speaker 2: of me, do not understand knowing what he knows about 921 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 2: the vowel situation at the quarterback position. 922 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: Knowing that he's got right now a. 923 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 2: Guy who's a backup, who's gonna make some good plays 924 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 2: and gonna make some bad plays. Kind of the definition 925 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 2: of being a backup, and why you wouldn't want to 926 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 2: help him out. I have absolute no idea. Now again, 927 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 2: they have looks. And by the way, there are times 928 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 2: I think where the quarterback goes to the line has 929 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 2: a running play and a passing play. You see something 930 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 2: and he may say maybe with the. 931 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: JJ and the JJ play it's one on one. Well, 932 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: i'll take that. 933 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 2: Whatever run we were gonna go with, I'm gonna turn 934 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,399 Speaker 2: this into a And to that extent, you could say 935 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 2: it was a good call. The mistake there was just execution, 936 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 2: not by the QB in this case, but by the 937 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 2: wide receiver. 938 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: So I understand it. 939 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll be more difficult than that. We're in last 940 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 2: place in the division. We're in the twelfth place right 941 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 2: now in the NFC. 942 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: Is that where we are? Yeah? Wow, I just looked 943 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: it up. 944 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 2: Twelfth place overall, last place at three and three. 945 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 1: In the division. 946 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 2: The this is the only division I assume in football 947 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 2: with no losing records, got to be a quick scan, 948 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 2: gotta be by the way, it was Carolina, who's the 949 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 2: who's the ancient quarterback? Andy Dalton dog talking about? Was yeah, 950 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 2: he he helped Carolina to victory. I don't know how 951 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 2: old is he forty yet? I don't think he's forty yet, 952 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 2: probably not quite. But he's getting there and I'm not 953 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 2: sure he might be so tonight we've got Minnesota Wild 954 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 2: Hockey and the fan we do. 955 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: Here are the teams below us right now? 956 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 2: Okay, the Commanders, yea, quarterbacks, they got quarterback issues now, Cardinals, Cardinals, 957 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 2: the Giants, and the Saints. 958 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: Those are the four teams below us. C NFC. Well, 959 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: I watched. 960 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 2: I went back and forth between the Vikings game and 961 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 2: the Bears game. The Saints are awful. Bears, they're starting 962 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 2: to feel it though. Defensively, I'm starting to see the tweets. Well, 963 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 2: defensively they do look pretty good because their offense yesterday. 964 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 2: You know, the one thing they're doing well now is 965 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 2: they're running the ball there. But Caleb did not look 966 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 2: and sink at all. They did not throw very well. 967 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 2: This was the Bears at home against the Saints defensively, hell, 968 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 2: I think they're picking off three passes a game. That's 969 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 2: what we got to get back to. We've got to 970 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 2: get some some takeaways. The way this team is set up, 971 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 2: you'll have some opportunities on Thursday because Herbert's going to 972 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 2: sling it he usually does. We were going to go, 973 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 2: you know, we're going to go much more you know, 974 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 2: physical ground game, even though we got a high flying 975 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 2: passing quarterback. I thought that was the whole plan this year. 976 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 2: We're toughening up the team, and they have done some 977 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 2: of that. They've also been down a lot. They were 978 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 2: obviously down a lot yesterday right to Indy, right, but 979 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 2: the big time. Yeah, they end up losing by fourteen. 980 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 2: Indy's averaging thirty five points a game, twenty three to 981 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 2: thirty four. A couple of tuddies and Jonathan Taylor's. He 982 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 2: has been magnificent. He was one of my favorite. I 983 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 2: would put him in the top five probably players of 984 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 2: all time that I watched on the field, yes, you know, 985 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 2: in my Gopher duties in the last fifteen years. He's 986 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 2: one that was just always different. Even though the Gophers 987 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 2: did a pretty good job against him in his time there. 988 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 2: You just looked at him and Yes, that guy's just 989 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 2: a different dude. He just moves different, he's built different. 990 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 2: You knew he'd be a great pro, no doubt, and 991 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:39,919 Speaker 2: he has. 992 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: He has been. 993 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,760 Speaker 2: He has it make it would make sense that Vikings 994 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 2: are one of the lower teams the NFC. They played 995 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 2: their last four games with a backup quarterback. What's the 996 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 2: forty nine ers record after last night? Hang on, I 997 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 2: gotta go. 998 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 1: Just go forty nine ers, different division. 999 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,879 Speaker 2: I gotta go back to the stands soft schedule, although 1000 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 2: we have until the Eagles game, played one of the 1001 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 2: softest schedules in the league. Now it's about it started 1002 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 2: with the Eagles game to get tougher. The Niners are 1003 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 2: five and two. Huh, how many games have they had 1004 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 2: with a backup quarterback? They're down two receivers. We have 1005 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 2: a better point differential than really. Yeah, I think the 1006 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 2: Bengals game might have padded those. They're only plus seven. Yeah, 1007 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 2: they they're not. They're not dominating anybody. Uh, it was 1008 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 2: a defensive struggle last night. Any chance that the Atlanta 1009 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 2: is gonna bench Penix and bring kirkback. 1010 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: K last Pennix is banged up to I think, didn't 1011 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:33,879 Speaker 1: I see that? I didn't. 1012 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 2: I didn't see that. I'm pretty sure he's banged up. 1013 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 2: He's day to day with a bone bruise in his 1014 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 2: lower leg. Yeah, could be cousins redemption. Oh how good 1015 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 2: would that'd be? 1016 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: Great? 1017 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 2: Bell of the NFL is never They're never void of 1018 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 2: great storylines. 1019 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:48,760 Speaker 1: Something always happens. 1020 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 2: Did you see that KOs was interviewed for the pregame 1021 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 2: nationally National Finals. I didn't see it, and he was 1022 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 2: asked about you know, you're called the quarterback whisper and 1023 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 2: he kind of wins to kind of grimaced, and the 1024 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 2: reporter she said, you don't you don't like that? Well, 1025 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 2: that's not my favorite. But then he he said he 1026 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 2: wasn't his favorite. You know why because he wants to 1027 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 2: be known as a full whole team with whisper, not 1028 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 2: just a quarterback whisper. He wants to be the team whisperer. 1029 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 2: So he kind of wants to be like the Baldali Lama. 1030 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 2: I think a little bit more than I thought. How 1031 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 2: do we make his name into the bal Dali Lama 1032 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 2: like we did for Roco? I can't remember who the 1033 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 2: reporter was, who did it? It was on Fox and 1034 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 2: she basically said, there's nobody who wouldn't want to play 1035 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,439 Speaker 2: for this guy. Also played No, it wasn't pam Olin, 1036 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't Aaron Andrews. Wasn't Aaron Andrews. It's the Ones Thompson. Yes, 1037 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 2: I think that's what it was. Yeah, all right, yeah, 1038 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 2: so there you have it. 1039 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to play for this guy? 1040 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 2: I mean? And then on the panel they said the 1041 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 2: same thing, everyone wants to play for him. Well, let 1042 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,360 Speaker 2: I would probably play for though, Yeah, I know, just me. 1043 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 2: I mean it's I know, we got the backup quarterback 1044 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 2: right now. But Niners Jonesy's look good for them? Not 1045 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,240 Speaker 2: great by Mac jonesy out. Yeah, I mean that's pretty 1046 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,960 Speaker 2: He's done pretty well now. They also, I think, have 1047 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 2: not played That's the other thing. If you look at 1048 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,000 Speaker 2: the Colts schedule. Somebody pointed out they have not played 1049 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 2: a lot of great teams either. I don't know if 1050 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 2: they ever do. Maybe that one of those schedules where 1051 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,799 Speaker 2: it's going to be soft all year. On the other hand, 1052 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 2: the way they're beating teams right and the level of 1053 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 2: which they're scoring, it's kind of hard to argue with 1054 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 2: the fact that they seem to have figured something out, 1055 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones has most assuredly figured something out as well. Dan, 1056 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 2: they passed sixteen out of twenty one plays in the 1057 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,919 Speaker 2: red zone. I will take his word for it. I'm 1058 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,720 Speaker 2: still getting I get one of these every day. JJ 1059 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 2: is the ghost of Christian Ponder pasted. Oh, actually this 1060 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,359 Speaker 2: is no, this is the bit. 1061 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:49,439 Speaker 1: Let me read. 1062 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 2: Let's start over three two one. JJ is the ghost 1063 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 2: of Ponder pasted. Wentz is totally gassed. Brozemer won't be 1064 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 2: the last wild and six from Tim. 1065 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,800 Speaker 1: Wild and six. I feel that hasn't happened since twenty fifteen. 1066 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 2: But you can listen to him tonight six minutes from now, 1067 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 2: right here. 1068 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:11,799 Speaker 1: On the fan. 1069 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 2: Maybe he means, do we have an in season? I 1070 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 2: don't think the NHL tournament? Yeah, I don't think they 1071 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 2: have an Emirates NHL coming. I don't think there's a 1072 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 2: four Nations this year either. There's an Olympic tournament. Will 1073 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 2: I'll be able to win that. We're off to a 1074 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,280 Speaker 2: slow start, aren't we. Yeah, I read Joe Smith yesterday. 1075 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,920 Speaker 2: I'm like trying to get caught up from the weekend 1076 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 2: right because I thought they started like, the season's like 1077 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,240 Speaker 2: ten days old, right, and we did Okay, it's a start. 1078 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 2: And I know Volsay, I got to play. Corilla and 1079 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 2: Boldie were playing pretty well. 1080 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: And I read it. I'm like, did I? 1081 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 3: I know? 1082 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 2: The night games have taken over my sleep pattern. So 1083 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 2: it's over already. Apparently, it's almost like the team has 1084 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 2: been given last? Right have they done it? Is Louie 1085 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,760 Speaker 2: going to have to do a player's only a meetingum 1086 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,279 Speaker 2: while he's on the road with them? Is he on 1087 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 2: with us tomorrow? He should be from the road. Yeah, 1088 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 2: he should be on this road trip. Seaffert is scheduled 1089 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 2: for tomorrow. Andy lug in studio tomorrow as well for 1090 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 2: a very specific reason. So it'll be another early show 1091 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 2: right out at six again, not tomorrow Tomorrow, six thirty. 1092 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 2: Tomorrow's regular. We're out at five thirty Wednesday, five o'clock 1093 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 2: on Thursday. Coming up next, your favorite hockey team, Garci's 1094 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,319 Speaker 2: favorite hockey team taking on the New York Rangers, who 1095 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 2: last scored a home goal in the twenty twenty three 1096 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,720 Speaker 2: to twenty four season. 1097 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,279 Speaker 1: We'll talk tomorrow three. A lot of things that are 1098 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: easily correctable