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Speaker 1: From Indianapolis for the twenty twenty six NFL Combine. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have our good friend Trevor Sikima Tampa Bay Tray

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Speaker 1: joining us at four point thirty this afternoon. Some fantastic

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Speaker 1: stuff on the value of first round picks and whether

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Speaker 1: you're not you need to see them play right away.

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Speaker 1: What the trajectory of Johnny Baron is as far as

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Speaker 1: he looks at it. We'll get to Trey coming up

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Speaker 1: here at the bottom of the hour. We still have

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Speaker 1: the Maya Kulpa interview from our very good friend Thor Nystrom,

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Speaker 1: who covers the Vikings. He's been very heavy handed in

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Speaker 1: his criticism of Sean Payton as well as Bo Nicks. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's going to backtrack a lot, and that's coming up

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Speaker 1: at five thirty. You're not gonna want to miss it.

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Speaker 1: It's really good stuff, and again, as always, it's on

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Speaker 1: demand later on later on tonight KWA Colorado dot Com.

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Speaker 1: We didn't hear the other clip, and what's there are

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Speaker 1: several clips from the Paton ACAV Show today with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: but most of that stuff he'd already said in the

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Speaker 1: press conference. We played the one earlier talking about Dave Web.

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Speaker 1: I thought there's some really good stuff some insight into

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Speaker 1: the interview process with Davis. Here is the other clip

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get to. And I didn't know this.

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Speaker 1: I knew he was under the weather, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he did his press conference on Tuesday, but I had

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Speaker 1: known he was on the web. I didn't know his

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Speaker 1: food poisoning like I didn't know that. Maybe some others did.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: He didn't specifically mention food poisoning at the time, but

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Speaker 2: he did sort of allude to something other than like

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Speaker 2: the flu because he's not contagious.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he did see it, right, He did say that,

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Speaker 1: so just he didn't say food poisoning until he was

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Speaker 1: talking to Pat McAfee. But he was talking about the

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Speaker 1: competition committee and being on it, and then he gave

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Speaker 1: us some insight onto his health over the last few days.

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Speaker 1: Here was the clip, Coach, you're on the competition committee. Now,

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Speaker 1: what is kind of the depressing thing?

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Speaker 3: I am? I was on it before and I was

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Speaker 3: asked a bunch of questions.

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Speaker 1: The other day.

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Speaker 3: And the problem is Sunday I had gotten food poisoning

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Speaker 3: and I literally was in this Marriott for like twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours and listen, not yet I had the pedia

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Speaker 3: lite all that stuff, and but I didn't get to

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Speaker 3: the first two meetings. And so I'm doing my media

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Speaker 3: session and they're asking me about this, and I'm just

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Speaker 3: trying to cruise through it. Fortunately, there there aren't a

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Speaker 3: lot of big items. Yeah, you know, it doesn't it

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Speaker 3: doesn't appear. I'll get out up to speed and be

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Speaker 3: there before the owners meetings. But look, I like those

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Speaker 3: topics when you're you know, you're passionate about.

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Speaker 1: The game, and uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm easy to get fired up on some of

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Speaker 3: those things.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hey, coach, the refs.

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Speaker 1: The union renegotiation happening. That's a huge deal. It is,

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Speaker 1: And are we going to think that ever moved from it? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like in other.

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Speaker 3: Words, I have no idea what that means. I know

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Speaker 3: there's a union. I know that the last time they

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Speaker 1: Was a China School rights.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like all I was thinking about is like my

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Speaker 3: that it was twenty eight minutes from the airport to

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Speaker 3: I asked him to get out, he might lead me here.

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Speaker 1: It was eight degrees and I thought, this is where

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Speaker 1: I'm going to die.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I get to the hotel and the

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Speaker 3: manager's training someone to check in.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and I said, well not with this room. The

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Speaker 1: worst that was the time I was he's such a

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Speaker 1: good storyteller. You have shot credit for that. And you

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Speaker 1: can just see it. We've all been there when we're

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Speaker 1: it's just he's like, I have it town, I have

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Speaker 1: food is. This food's coming out one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: It's right, So do you want to hear or do

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Speaker 1: you want it? Yeah? That's it. So but yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I know that the Competition Committee is a big deal

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Speaker 1: is the Competition Committee and the tush push or whatever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Browns are putting together a proposal to to

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Speaker 2: be able to trade five years with the draft picks

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Speaker 1: I hate that. So see, I'm the other way with it.

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Speaker 1: Come out. Really, if you want to do it, do it.

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Speaker 1: If you want to you know what mortgage, you know,

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Speaker 1: a mortgage the future. Fine. I don't think teams should

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Speaker 1: their their organization. Now you are free market guys, very

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Speaker 1: pro free market. Well done, sir, Yes you see where

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Speaker 1: multitude of reasons. It's not even really a Broncos related

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Speaker 1: really reason. It's it's a competition level reason. It's because

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Speaker 1: we've seen too many examples of coaches and gms who

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Speaker 1: imagine multiplying that exponentially by five to seven years, and

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Speaker 1: Lesson learned, they will do it again. But if it

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Speaker 1: end of the day. The NFL so great is that

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Speaker 1: we have this innate belief that our team could surprise

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Speaker 2: Because the league presents the opportunity for parity. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: try to enforce the teams have to do things a.

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Speaker 1: Certain But imagine being three years into that process of

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Speaker 1: I mean they did for Watson and look and yeah,

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Speaker 2: Were able to get five out of them, then the

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Speaker 2: Texans would be even more formidable. Okay, look, here's what

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Speaker 1: It ruins NBA franchises.

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Speaker 2: So that's the sort of the NBA has its own

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Speaker 2: Look as far as the NFL goes though, you know,

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Speaker 2: of the day. That's that's not gonna be something that

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Speaker 2: that's not gonna be something that U's gonna set you back.

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Speaker 2: You know why, because people are gonna be better in

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Speaker 2: their evaluations. If you've if you've punted on all this stuff,

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Speaker 2: on these But you're not gonna throw flyers on your

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Speaker 1: be more sure. If anything, it's going to improve scouting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: Was bawling out my idea that somehow he was gonna

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Speaker 1: It's all got no chance he sneak it through the broncos. No,

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Speaker 1: just got done talking about Anthony Richardson and not overvaluing

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Speaker 1: to the combine and blows everybody away, Yeah, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be just fine. Trevor Sikama joining us here in just

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Speaker 1: a matter of moments on the text line here, any

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Speaker 1: troops report that the tech linebacker wouldn't do bench press?

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Speaker 1: doan's not working out. There's yeah, there's a couple of guys.

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Speaker 2: Guys are going to do protay stuff, especially if you're

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Speaker 2: a guy that needs to manipulate the testing, you know

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Speaker 2: the way back on and go go bench, you know, at.

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Speaker 1: Your pro day kind of stuff. There are guys that

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Speaker 1: unbelievable number here at the combine, right, Depending on whatever

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Speaker 1: Thor and Eistrom, our good friend Thor who has been

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know, when I do mont drafts and

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Speaker 5: Like if you go best player available at thirty, like

434
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Speaker 5: you just kind of outlined, like I like for Denver,

435
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 5: you then pretty much have to make it happen with

436
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,360
Speaker 5: running back and linebacker.

437
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 4: Soon after that, and you can still do that.

438
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 5: I think that's what people get a little bit worried

439
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,920
Speaker 5: about is when you go PPA and you kind of Okay,

440
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,399
Speaker 5: maybe it's not this exact position. Indeed, you still have

441
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 5: the opportunity to address that, the responsibility.

442
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 4: To do so just heightens. So I think that's to me, the.

443
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,720
Speaker 5: Team building conversations that you have with DPA. It's just

444
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,360
Speaker 5: it's different for every situation.

445
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Speaker 1: It really is. I agree with you, but then it

446
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,440
Speaker 1: gets into the whole conversation of first rounders start. And

447
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of fans, especially like last night

448
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: with jehan A Brearn Yeah, who played limited snaps in

449
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: a very loaded secondary, are upset about that.

450
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Speaker 4: Sure, and I can I can understand that a little

451
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,679
Speaker 4: bit because but that's a little bit of I think.

452
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Speaker 5: That's sometimes not always, but sometimes a little bit unfair

453
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 5: when it comes to the hindsight, because you might.

454
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Speaker 4: Have needs manifest throughout the year.

455
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 5: You did just so at the end of the year,

456
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 5: you could say to yourself, like, why we picked John

457
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 5: day Barron. We could have picked this position because we

458
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 5: were so weak at it. You could have, you know,

459
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 5: the coaching staff could have been like, we didn't think

460
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 5: we were going to be that week in that position.

461
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 4: She kind of never know.

462
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 5: But like Baron, for example, as the best player available,

463
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 5: type of approach, like he might give them not just

464
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,919
Speaker 5: flexibility in the secondary in his first and second year

465
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 5: because of what he could do as a safety, as.

466
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Speaker 4: An outside corner, as his inside corner.

467
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 5: All the kind of stuff, but he also gives them

468
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Speaker 5: the ability to stay ahead of.

469
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Speaker 1: Things contractually as well.

470
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Speaker 5: Right, Like what happens with Briley Moss, Okay, well, are

471
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 5: you moving on from him? You don't have to give

472
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 5: him a second contract, or he's been a little bit

473
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Speaker 5: up and down, You're cool with moving John Ay Barron

474
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 5: in that spot, probably, And you've then got a cost

475
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 5: controlled player at a premium position at outside corner that

476
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 5: you really need for a team that's going to compete

477
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 5: at the highest level to go after a Super Bowl.

478
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Speaker 5: So I think a lot of things get layered into

479
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Speaker 5: that convertation, and look, generally, yeah, you want your first

480
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 5: round picks.

481
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Speaker 4: To be impactful.

482
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: They don't have to.

483
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 4: Be impactful when you're one. Depending on what team they

484
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 4: go to.

485
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 5: The Broncos you're a damn good team, right, I mean,

486
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 5: the Broncos have a really, really good defense, and really

487
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 5: really good secondary. Most of the other teams in the NFL,

488
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 5: he's a starter, and he's probably a starter for the

489
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Speaker 5: majority of the time that he's on there.

490
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 4: The idea with him is that you go, it's.

491
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Speaker 5: Less up to me. To me, first round picks are

492
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 5: less of they've got to start right away, and it's

493
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 5: more of are they two contract guys.

494
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Speaker 1: I don't love the phrase.

495
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 5: I don't love the phrase, oh, you drafted me haveing

496
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Speaker 5: for ten years, because what players do you have for

497
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 5: ten years? Tele fingers right, Like, oh, okay, I just

498
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 5: said that this guy's will be in the Hall of Fame,

499
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 5: so like, I don't like using that. I don't like

500
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Speaker 5: using the ten year thing like some people do. What

501
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 5: I say is that if you're picking a first round,

502
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 5: first round player, they.

503
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Speaker 1: Need to be a two contract player for you.

504
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 5: You need to they need to be playing well, and

505
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 5: you need to be building around them to where you

506
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 5: are comfortable.

507
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: Signing them to a second contract.

508
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Speaker 5: That's how I would view first round picks, not as

509
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 5: much of they've got to play right away. It's great

510
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 5: they play right away, you don't have to, right but

511
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 5: they do generally need to be guys that you're given

512
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 5: to second contracts, last one here for you.

513
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Speaker 1: And I always love having you on. But I definitely

514
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: wanted to get into some of it because everybody, as

515
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about this, I'm fine if they don't going

516
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: defense in the first round, even though it's a load

517
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: of defense. Like you said the linebackers. Certainly that everybody

518
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: wants skill position. They want wide receiver, running back, tight end,

519
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: that kind of thing for a moment, wide receiver, who

520
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: are a couple of guys? Listen, you had to wait

521
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: till day two? Okay, who are a couple of guys

522
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: Day two? And beyond that you kind of.

523
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I think the wide receiver classes is pretty deep.

524
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 5: I mean, like Elijah Sharratt, I don't think it's going

525
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 5: to be athletic enough to be, you know, considered in

526
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 5: the top four you.

527
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: But I really like who he is as a receiver.

528
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 5: I think he wins in the very subtle ways they're

529
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 5: translatable to the NFL.

530
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 4: Really good off his.

531
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Speaker 5: Releases, really creating that subtle separation. He's good as a

532
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 5: good test to catch guy because he met olmar Cooper

533
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 5: Junior like as well. But I mean we're walking around

534
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 5: here in India. Maybe it's gonna be a first round

535
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 5: take the way people are talking about so, I don't know,

536
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 5: but those are two guys that I like there to

537
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 5: vertical stretching guy, I think that Chris Brazl's got some

538
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 5: talent for you to be.

539
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: Able to do it.

540
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 5: But of course, like I think the Broncos have a

541
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 5: lot of vertical stretching players on their team. But like

542
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 5: al Kai Fields from Notre Dame is a contested ketchup

543
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 5: and you know Ted.

544
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 4: Hurst from Georgia State is another contested catch guy.

545
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 5: Like these dudes who are bigger to play on the

546
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage for you can play that X role.

547
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 5: I think that those are the guys that when I

548
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 5: think of Denver, I think of that they're sharing like

549
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 5: tight end as well, you know, like you look at

550
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 5: some of the more receiving tight ends.

551
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 4: I mentioned he lifest hours Justin Jolie from.

552
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 5: Enci States in our conversation as well, Michael Traig from Baylor,

553
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have talked about him

554
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 5: as the Broncos sort of target for.

555
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 4: What he could do as an athlete at tight end,

556
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 4: but that to me is sort of either a bigger

557
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: X receiver or.

558
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 5: Like a bigger tight end type of a player that

559
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 5: could play inside and out for you.

560
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: That's those are some of the names side look after

561
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 4: it was.

562
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Speaker 1: Some engineering price goes in the first round or around there.

563
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: Who's who's Day two running backs? You like?

564
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 5: I mean Jonah Coleman's my Jonah Coleman's my RB two

565
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 5: because I view him very similarly to how like Kirom

566
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 5: Williams is so fit with the rams, where like John Holman.

567
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: Is not gonna wink very fast, and I don't care.

568
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: I don't see him runing fastest tape. He's not good

569
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: because he runs fast.

570
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 5: He's good because of all the other stuff, the contact balance,

571
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: the yards after contact, the miss tackles, forced for attempt,

572
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 5: all that could stuff what he could be as a receiver,

573
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 5: how he could play for you as a blocker on

574
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: third down situation. So I like him as RB two

575
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 5: if you have a chance to get him. He could

576
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 5: probably need to take him in the second with that

577
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: late second round pick, but he's somebody who would be

578
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 5: in that conversation. But then the other name that I'll

579
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 5: throw out there is is Emma Johnson from Nebraska.

580
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Now he's He's similar to like R. J. Harvey.

581
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 5: So it's not like a smash and dash type of

582
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: a combination, but it is another player where if you

583
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 5: like that archetype, and that's the guy that you want

584
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: to bring in.

585
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got some very quick footwork. He can

586
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: make you miss in a phone booth.

587
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 5: He's very very I'm very interested to see what he

588
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 5: runs and what his overall long speed is. But man

589
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 5: just consistently making guys miss this past season, really high

590
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: rushing grades from PFF because of it.

591
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: The efficiency, the elusiveness, all that is there for him.

592
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 5: And so those are two players who I think probably

593
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 5: come to my mind immediately when it's guys who I

594
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 5: think can have an impact right away, keep talking about

595
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: some running backs a little bit like later in the

596
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 5: draft shore it's like, okay, like yeah, dev players, maybe

597
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 5: they turn out to be some before you.

598
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: But those are two I'd keep an eye on.

599
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: Really good stuff there from our guy, Trevor Sikima at

600
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Tray. He has had that handle for a

601
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 1: long time. He's the lead NFL Draft analyst for Pro

602
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: Football Focus. And then we'll get to interview up A Kawi,

603
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: Colorado Dot com before we get to the Johnny Baron stuff,

604
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: which I thought was really fascinating and I loved getting

605
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: his perspective from the outside looking in. Certainly a guy

606
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: he scouted last year. He thought it was a great

607
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: pick for the Broncos. I liked it. His long term

608
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: view of Johnny Baron is a very high level when

609
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: we get to that. But we were talking about Sonny Styles, who,

610
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: again we're both kind of a draft crush.

611
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: I know, bigger for you, but yeah, I mean he's

612
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: built like a built like a defensive end. He hits

613
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: like a linebacker, and he's athletic.

614
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: Like a safety. I let go of that a long

615
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: time ago, Like that was never a thing that I

616
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, well, what if you were still holding

617
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: on to some you number of hope Hey yeah, right

618
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind the song hey now, hey, now,

619
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: don't dream. Nut's over. It's over. It's over. So some

620
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: context to the numbers that he put up just just

621
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: in the vert as well as his long jump period

622
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: broad jump, so the forty three and a half vert

623
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 1: per Trevor Sikama, he used to put this out here.

624
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: It's the highest jump of any linebacker at the combine

625
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety nine, tied for the fifteenth highest jump

626
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety of any position. Only player since nineteen

627
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine to jump over forty three inches weighing over

628
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds. And then you brought this

629
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: up and you guessed this, By the way, I'll give

630
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: you credit before we even found out. The eleven foot

631
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: two inch, one hundred and thirty four inch broad jump

632
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: for Sunny Styles fourth among linebackers, fourth among linebackers since

633
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. I was like, I know.

634
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: I was like, I can only think of three guys

635
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: off the top of my head linebackers that had gone

636
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: over eleven.

637
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: So I knew it had to be in the in

638
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: the top five somewhere. Yeah. Fourth. It's just silly, so

639
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: good stuff there. That's what you at the combine. This

640
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: is all like part and parcel of what you think

641
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: of a player. So we already have had a very

642
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: high opinion of Sunny Styles, the inside linebacker from Ohio State,

643
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: and then you see that stuff, and I know it's

644
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: a bit nerdy, but it's just like, holy cow, this

645
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: guy's good, and oh my god, maybe he's even better

646
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: than I.

647
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: Thought of all, I will tell you this one by

648
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: the way, too little note the people have come through,

649
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: all the linebackers that came through. He stood and made

650
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: sure everyone got an autograph. He was the only player

651
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 2: to the point of us having this conversation right now

652
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: that went through the thing and made sure that everybody

653
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Speaker 2: who won an autograph got one.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool and not even the necessary thing like

655
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Speaker 1: all those guys that come through those signs two or

656
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Speaker 1: three and they move on that kind of stuff or whatever.

657
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Speaker 1: He made sure. He asked, did everybody get one? Before

658
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Speaker 1: he left? That's really cool. Okay, So back to Jade

659
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Speaker 1: Baron here for a second. I did like what Trevor

660
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Speaker 1: Sikomas said about the perception of first round picks and saying,

661
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Speaker 1: I know that historically it was, hey, you drafted a

662
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Speaker 1: guy in the first round, this guy that you want

663
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Speaker 1: on your team for ten years, or people have said, hey,

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Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame, you know gold jacket guy.

665
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Speaker 2: Right.

666
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you're drafting guy in the first round. But

667
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Speaker 1: that's not the hit rate they hit, right, is that

668
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: in the first round? But he said the hit rate

669
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Speaker 1: for him is this is a second contract guy, right,

670
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Speaker 1: And he's like that's the way we should be measuring

671
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: these guys. So if you think about it in terms

672
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Speaker 1: of that, yeah, it'd be great to get contributions from

673
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Speaker 1: players in first year. But at the same time, if

674
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Speaker 1: you get to a second contract with the player, that's

675
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Speaker 1: a hit regardless of the rounds you take them.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, you're looking for contributors. And people get this

677
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: whole thing because there's this whole there's this whole myth

678
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: about draft stock, you know, which is nonsense. Most these

679
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: players are already pretty fairly well allocated by where you know,

680
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: teams knowing where they're going to go.

681
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: They're checking boxes here. I mean, that's that's what this

682
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: stuff is. It's about medicals.

683
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: This is about interviews, and these tests allow you to

684
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Speaker 2: take a guy from you know, Delaware State Technical School

685
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: and stack him up with somebody from George and see

686
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: if that's real speed or if you're just beating up

687
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: on you know, future bankers and insurance sales and so,

688
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's fun. All this stuff is fun,

689
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: but there's the real world value of it is more

690
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: as a comparative rather than there's suddenly soaring draft stock.

691
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: If you see somebody moving up in a mock draft.

692
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: That's because the media just started to figure out what

693
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: the league is already figured out, or.

694
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Speaker 1: Dropping same thing.

695
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: There's stock, there's no such thing as stock. They're not

696
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: really moving up and down a draft board. What's happening

697
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: is the media is catching up to the league.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, although we still don't. There are guys

699
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: who dropped for stuff that they do that's dumb.

700
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott probably would have been a first rounder except

701
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: that he got a DUI like two weeks before the draft.

702
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: And what are you doing, man? I mean, come on.

703
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: The point is going to make is we still frame

704
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: it that way though years later, even though we are

705
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: all aware of how boards are stacked, like, we will

706
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: still say risers and followers, Yeah, which you know there are.

707
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Speaker 2: I say, it is possible for you to lower your

708
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: draft stock. It's not really possible for you to raise it.

709
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: I guess unless you just blow them with the interview

710
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: and you were already you know that connect with somebody,

711
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say for Sunny Styles, for just for

713
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: a moment. I mean, I mean it's on tape. Though

714
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you see that on tape, you just didn't know.

715
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Speaker 2: It was that jaw dropping you know, maybe that's the comparative,

716
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: Like you knew he was great, you knew he was

717
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: going top fifteen, you just didn't know it was you know,

718
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, now I have benchmarks here that this

719
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: guy is not.

720
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Speaker 1: Just great, he's jaw droppingly great. Do you I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is your perception of what Johnny Buren should be

722
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: this upcoming year? And contributor needs to make a contributor

723
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Speaker 1: this year. But that's a starter, you know, I mean,

724
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Speaker 1: But then R. J. Harvey's not a starter. Yeah, you know.

725
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Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, you need to be a contributor.

726
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: And we all know how Vance doesn't like to play rookies,

727
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: and that's a part of that. You know, he doesn't

728
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: like to rely on rookies. He wants you to have

729
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: a complete mastery of the playbook before he's putting you

730
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Speaker 2: on the field. And so I think that's a that's

731
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Speaker 2: a part of this too. I think Jade will probably

732
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Speaker 2: be a starter. But you need to be a contributor.

733
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Speaker 2: You need to be in on you know, fifty to

734
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Speaker 2: sixty percent of plays if you're a dB. I think

735
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Speaker 2: it's a good number.

736
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a starter this year.

737
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Speaker 1: I do too. I don't know if that's going to

738
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: be a nickel or if that's going to be on

739
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Speaker 1: the outside I'd like to see, I guess in a

740
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: in a perfect world. I don't know if there's a

741
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: perfect world here, because I really do view the Broncos

742
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: in in this perspective of a window before you have

743
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: to pay bo Nix with an opportunity, and I think

744
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: everybody does so do you view that as well? Riley

745
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Moss is part of that conversation. You heard him say

746
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: it right there with with Trever. He's like, hey, Johnny

747
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Barry gives you some flexibility. You're you're not tied to

748
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: having to pay him or Ja Kwan McMillan because you

749
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Speaker 1: have Joan A barn here.

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Speaker 2: I suspect McMillan won't be here, you know, maybe it's Buffalo,

751
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: maybe it's somewhere else. But I suspect that you'll get

752
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: in an origin around tender and the Broncos will be

753
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: priced out of, you know, re upping him, and then

754
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Johnny Baron slides right in that role.

755
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Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen. We'll see

756
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: why would they go why would they go original round

757
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: on him? Because if you go second round, you gotta

758
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: pay it.

759
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everybody's gonna nobody's gonna offer a second round

760
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: for well, I put this way, I don't think people

761
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: will offer up a second rounter for Jaddi Baron And

762
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: so you know, are you are you tenoring him at

763
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Speaker 2: five point eight because that's what the second round tender is.

764
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Speaker 2: It's five point eight million, one year, five point eight

765
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: million and a right the match, right, So I think

766
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Speaker 2: you're going with like the one point eight million dollars

767
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: original roundtender. If you happen to get him back for that,

768
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: cool And if you don't, well, you know, great, he's

769
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Speaker 2: going to get paid somewhere.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: The only the only time I've ever thought the Broncos

772
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Speaker 2: should have put a second round tender on somebody and

773
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: didn't was the cg Anderson situation where they hosted themselves.

774
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: When CJ got an offer, they put an original round.

775
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: Miami came in and offered him money and then they

776
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: wound up matching it last minute. And that was the

777
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: situation where they just hosed themselves.

778
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Speaker 1: Here's George Payton talking about Riley Moss earlier this week.

779
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Speaker 1: We'll see, I mean, we'll see what we do with him.

780
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: We're still working through that. We want him here. I mean,

781
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, certainly a team could a team calculus, who

782
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: knows he's one of our he's one of our core players.

783
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: You know, we were We love we love having them here. Yeah,

784
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: it's uh almost reing endorsement. But he also he says

785
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Speaker 1: he's a core player. He also said that Justice or

786
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: not and and Alex Singleton or Broncos.

787
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: But that's the same time, mean, and we go back

788
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: to last year, it's the same thing that he said that.

789
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: That's the line that they give. Yeah, these were our

790
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: are corporate and you have no evidence to butt up

791
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: against that. Because they were a core player last year, right,

792
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're always going to they're going to be

793
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: a core player going forward. It is a technically true statement.

794
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 2: They can also give you, you know, the outs as

795
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: far as that kind of stuff goes. I like, I'd

796
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: love for them to.

797
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: Put a second rounder on McMillan. I believe it will

798
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: be an original round. I think brogsays to have a

799
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: hard time with that one, considering how well he's played,

800
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: not disputing that.

801
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean, this is again not my opinion. This is

802
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean, my opinion on what they'll do, not my

803
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: opinion what they should do.

804
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: What would you do?

805
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: I'd put a second round on him, and I'd bring

806
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: him back at five point whatever per per. You can't

807
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: have that, you can't have too many corners in the league.

808
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: And I get that you want to get shout on

809
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: the field and all that kind of stuff. I get it,

810
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: but they're you know, I mean, who knows what injury

811
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: could happen, and then then you're.

812
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: Sitting there wishing that you had had done that.

813
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: So I would rather, while you have this opportunity, I'd

814
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: rather burn the one year with Jakwan.

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Speaker 1: And then let him walk after after this year. You're

816
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to let a couple of people walk after

817
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: this coming season anyway, so it might set you up

818
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: a real nice for the compensatory formula. That's probably the

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00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: way I play it. Five six sixth night Zeros or

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Speaker 1: Kay with Comma spirridal text line. If you want to

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Speaker 1: interact with our program, we got another hour to go.

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Speaker 1: Broncos Country tonight coming up here at six o'clock. A

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Speaker 1: lot of texts coming in here. I want to read

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Speaker 1: quite a few of these when we come back. Also,

825
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: Benjamin Albright broke some news earlier today with the NFLPA

826
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Speaker 1: report card. We'll tell you more details about that, but

827
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Speaker 1: he was the first one to have it for the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. And we'll go over some of that coming

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Speaker 1: up next right here on KAA