Speaker 1: Don't want to be in a Mafican Friday morning.
Speaker 2: Slowly back with you on seven hundred WLW savoring and
Speaker 2: the delicious tiredness of a who day win, which is
Speaker 2: the opposite we've had in the past and Friday mornings.
Speaker 2: I like to talk about a variety of different things
Speaker 2: and not all newsy or I should say bad news.
Speaker 2: He related some of this good news out there, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, despite what we've been talking about, including
Speaker 2: last night shooting, and that would be this. We're making
Speaker 2: progress in a lot of areas.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We talked about the Duke Energy Convention Center going back
Speaker 2: online and that's going to reopen, and the hotel is
Speaker 2: about to be started as well, and then you talk about, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe a new arena, and of course the Brent Spence
Speaker 2: Bridge project is just about to be in full swing.
Speaker 2: It'll be orange barrel hell for a few years, but
Speaker 2: the end result is worth it. No more traffic jams
Speaker 2: in Mayhem over the Ohio River. But to do all
Speaker 2: those things you did and you still need and in
Speaker 2: the future will need bodies to do it. And of
Speaker 2: course one of my causes here on the show is
Speaker 2: construction traits. I'm a SICKA fan for it because I
Speaker 2: realized that not everyone should go to school. I was
Speaker 2: one of those people, you know, but I got in
Speaker 2: back in the day when nell you needed was a
Speaker 2: check and a number two pencil. And today it's a
Speaker 2: lot harder. The stakes are much higher, and we know
Speaker 2: people are going to the debt and now they're looking
Speaker 2: for the government and US taxpayer to bail them out
Speaker 2: because the model is broken.
Speaker 1: So what about the trades?
Speaker 2: Don't we understand we're making some inroads here locally, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, there's so much more to do.
Speaker 2: And on that is John Strasser, my buddy John Strasser,
Speaker 2: former CEO of Valley Interior Systems and Spirit of Construction
Speaker 2: fellow board member for a long time. He's been doing
Speaker 2: it since two thousand and three. And Amanda Smith is
Speaker 2: the executive director of the Spirit of Construction Foundation. Welcome, guys,
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 4: How is everybody?
Speaker 3: Amanda?
Speaker 1: Welcome in? Who day? Baby? Who Day? Got a man
Speaker 1: as mic on day? Is that it is that?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's technology. We have no idea
Speaker 2: what we're doing over here at LW. We have no idea.
Speaker 2: We're really bad at it. We're in communications business. How
Speaker 2: are you doing?
Speaker 1: We're not very good at it? You guys. How's everything, John?
Speaker 1: I know you're at the game last night.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well worth the late evening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, And it was fun to watch on TV.
Speaker 2: So I got to bed before you did. But anyway,
Speaker 2: let's start with the need first of all. I know
Speaker 2: that we've made progress, and I'll start with you in
Speaker 2: this ghen real quick and then we may progress and
Speaker 2: getting people in the trades are starting to but there's
Speaker 2: still a lot more to be done.
Speaker 5: Right, There's a lot to be done with the retirement
Speaker 5: age coming down a little bit in the trades, and
Speaker 5: the shorte of people getting interested in the trades. Last
Speaker 5: check I saw was we're sure about a million trades
Speaker 5: people across the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and that number continues to grow despite younger
Speaker 2: people going hey, I want to get into the trades
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: I brought that opportune in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Is that you know, we hear about hey, there's no
Speaker 2: job opportunity, there's no opportunity for and what do you
Speaker 2: expect when kids are going to go in the street
Speaker 2: and try to hustle make money. We see these shootings
Speaker 2: until I'll relate the stupid beefs and they're not working
Speaker 2: and they're getting off the bus. And we've got all
Speaker 2: these job we're building the bridge right now, about to
Speaker 2: embark on this great You're gonna need thousands of jobs
Speaker 2: out there. I mean, and I've said this before to
Speaker 2: the influencer, decision makers and the shits stakeholders are going, well,
Speaker 2: we just need.
Speaker 1: More job their jobs right.
Speaker 2: Literally, you guys will train people and put them to
Speaker 2: work the same day, won't you.
Speaker 4: We will.
Speaker 5: And we're actually starting in the fifth grade to starting
Speaker 5: your kids through the trades, through some of the curriculum
Speaker 5: we're dealing with, and we're getting exposed to educated towards
Speaker 5: and trained to have a job, a job ready come
Speaker 5: senior year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's no outline either. It's like we hook
Speaker 2: you up with the tools, we get to the training,
Speaker 2: we own the job. You're making money. My nephew who
Speaker 2: moved here from Oregon is is going to ic to
Speaker 2: be an electrician, and so he works during the day
Speaker 2: and then a night or two a week they send
Speaker 2: him to school to learn how to become an electrician.
Speaker 2: He doesn't pay for anything. He's making money along the way,
Speaker 2: and there's so many those opportunities out there. Heating, ventilating,
Speaker 2: air conditioning. Work with my guys in the grimmy group,
Speaker 2: same thing. They do classes there to teach people with
Speaker 2: daycon how to do AC and within eight weeks they're
Speaker 2: on the job, they're making money. Plenty of opportunities like
Speaker 2: that in Cincinnati, and I'm so tired of hearing about
Speaker 2: there's no opportunity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the opportunities are you name the trade, plumbers, electricians,
Speaker 5: mechanical painters, finishers. I mean, everybody needs workers right now.
Speaker 5: And the push to get the kids exposed is making
Speaker 5: making a big difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, let's turn to the Spirit of Construction Foundation, Amanda,
Speaker 2: and were you come in where we came into to
Speaker 2: try and bridge that app with scholarships and learning and
Speaker 2: getting programs and schools.
Speaker 4: Let's start with that.
Speaker 2: I know when I was a board member with John,
Speaker 2: I know the big thing was, hey, we got in
Speaker 2: a woodward, you know.
Speaker 1: We got shopped through the class back. But that's grown
Speaker 1: beyond that, right absolutely.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 6: The Spirit of Construction was started back in nineteen ninety
Speaker 6: six as a way to recognize and celebrate the construction industry,
Speaker 6: and that was initially done through our annual gala. And
Speaker 6: John here actually is one of our Lifetime Achievement Award
Speaker 6: winners this year. So every year at the annual Gala,
Speaker 6: we give out a Lifetime Achievement Award. What makes John's
Speaker 6: award so special this year is that his dad also
Speaker 6: won the Life Time Achievement war back in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 6: so he's actually a second generation Lifetime honorees. So we're
Speaker 6: very excited to celebrate John at our gala this year.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is John's old.
Speaker 3: I'm saying John's a big deal, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: John's amazing in his ego. He knows what we know,
Speaker 3: what he's done. But it just means you're It's just
Speaker 3: a nice way of saying, damn, you're old or a
Speaker 3: buffaloed a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Now, no one's more deserving because because honestly working alongside
Speaker 2: you for a few years and just watching you the machine,
Speaker 2: that's the chance. I mean, he really, John's the guy
Speaker 2: who really drove this whole thing, and that's it's really
Speaker 2: cool to see and it's a well deserved.
Speaker 1: So congratulations, So we're.
Speaker 6: Excited so what started out as having an annual gala
Speaker 6: has grown into what it is today. And so beyond
Speaker 6: the Gala, which is our major fundraiser, all net proceeds
Speaker 6: from that gala go to three buckets of work that
Speaker 6: we invest in, scholarships, workforce development, and we give out
Speaker 6: mini grants to nonprofits focused on workforce development within the
Speaker 6: construction industry right.
Speaker 2: And those grants are nice because you look at the
Speaker 2: organizations and that benefit from that is, you know, it's
Speaker 2: girls Scouts. So you go through the list here of
Speaker 2: organizations that get that and go, hey, we're putting these
Speaker 2: programs in. We're doing summer school, like a class where
Speaker 2: kids can do hands on building stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: use power tools from Milwaukee and you know, drill holes
Speaker 2: and boards and see how buildings are put together. And
Speaker 2: when you have the house of hands on kid right
Speaker 2: as the more tactile than than just sitting there and
Speaker 2: wrote memorization. Had you done that for me, I think
Speaker 2: I would be I would have been in the trades.
Speaker 2: And I've been doing this, which a lot of people
Speaker 2: listening and say, well, I really wish we could do
Speaker 2: that in a tough way back machine. But some of
Speaker 2: us learn just by looking at it. And we're finally
Speaker 2: doing that. We're finally learning how to teach and reach
Speaker 2: these kids. And you wonder, John, how many kids over
Speaker 2: the years may have dropped out of school or said I, I, I,
Speaker 2: this isn't for me because we're just sitting there and
Speaker 2: it's the same way we all learned is here's a teacher,
Speaker 2: here's a white boarder blackboard. Here, you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: memorize this. Look in the book, it's all theory. You
Speaker 2: put the practical thing in. This is why you need
Speaker 2: shop math, for example, which you helped get into schools.
Speaker 2: It's reaching so many kids would fall into the cracks before.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're teaching kids how to take a tape measure
Speaker 5: and say half inch plus three quarters is one and
Speaker 5: a quarter. You and I understand that because we use
Speaker 5: a tape measure almost every day in the jobs and
Speaker 5: the trades, were the work we're doing around our homes.
Speaker 5: And by getting the kids exposed to this, we think
Speaker 5: that it's close to fifty percent of every student in
Speaker 5: the classroom as a visual learner, yeah, not a book learner.
Speaker 5: And the school system does not teach or focus on
Speaker 5: these kind of kids. And now that we're doing it,
Speaker 5: we're gaining the opportunity putting a tape measure in their hand.
Speaker 5: Their eyes are opening up, they're understanding, they're looking up
Speaker 5: into the sky at this and understanding that, Hey, science
Speaker 5: ties in with math, and now a sudden, their grades
Speaker 5: are accelerating their attending class and it's making a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like algebra, I don't know numbers and letters, why
Speaker 2: do they need to go together? But you know, you
Speaker 2: start doing calculations, you start doing like your roof, slopes
Speaker 2: and stairs, and it's like, oh, I get it. Now
Speaker 2: this is where it's applicable in the real world. And
Speaker 2: I there was never that connection we're going to school,
Speaker 2: and now there is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's making a big difference. In the end,
Speaker 5: we're seeing kids come into the trades now with a
Speaker 5: direct impact.
Speaker 4: Now, it takes time.
Speaker 5: I mean when you start teaching in fifth grade, you
Speaker 5: know you've got a seven year process to get them
Speaker 5: through where they become the correct nation to being hired.
Speaker 5: But we're now, after the years of work we put in,
Speaker 5: we're starting to have kids now make that jump to
Speaker 5: the trades.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, it's a man a Smith, the executive director of
Speaker 2: Spiritual Construction Foundation, and John Strass are the former CEO
Speaker 2: of Valley Interiors here in Cincinnati, but they're all over
Speaker 2: the state. A board member there since two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: and he's going to be an honoree this year at
Speaker 2: the gala, which is coming up on the twenty.
Speaker 6: Fifth, right, that's right next Saturday, full house, full house,
Speaker 6: record number thirteen hundred folks done at the Northern Kentucky
Speaker 6: Convention Center. Next year is our thirtieth annual gala, so we're.
Speaker 1: Excited about that.
Speaker 6: But all proceeds from the gala actually are reinvested as
Speaker 6: a foundation. We are a funder and we reinvest those
Speaker 6: dollars back into workforce development within the trades and construction.
Speaker 2: So part of that a scholarships you have went into
Speaker 2: like like seven hundred thousand dollars of years in scholarships,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 6: So we've been doing scholarships since two thousand and four.
Speaker 6: We started by giving out scholarships at University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 6: This year alone, we gave out twenty five scholarships seventy
Speaker 6: eight thousand dollars, and those scholarships are first students at
Speaker 6: NKU and UC that are looking at construction management Cincinnati
Speaker 6: State as well. And then we also give scholarships to
Speaker 6: military veterans that are looking at getting into construction. And
Speaker 6: for the first time ever this year we gave out
Speaker 6: skilled trade scholarships, so that's anyone that's interested in getting
Speaker 6: enrolled or as an incentive to keep them enrolled in
Speaker 6: skilled trades. So we're really proud of our scholarship program.
Speaker 6: Since two thousand and four, we've given out two hundred
Speaker 6: and seventy eight scholarships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's cool now because you get people fighting
Speaker 2: for the scholarship and saying, hey, we're doing this this
Speaker 2: and it's not a bating war, but you know, you
Speaker 2: want to see worthy best bank for the bucket's going
Speaker 2: to be. But it makes all those entities be sharp
Speaker 2: at what they're doing. Their focus, of course, is getting
Speaker 2: young people in the construction strads and I'm so happy
Speaker 2: to see that we are getting fifth graders now interested
Speaker 2: in there. It used to be a tough sell to
Speaker 2: school public schools in Cincinnati John where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know we were find the way, where no, you're not.
Speaker 2: You're missing all these kids and it's so sad to
Speaker 2: me to think over the years, how many kids were
Speaker 2: lost that they may have turned to a life. I mean,
Speaker 2: so let's face it, you know, you fall through the cracks,
Speaker 2: you drop out a school, life is it's not going
Speaker 2: to work out for you, and chances are going to
Speaker 2: depend on the system or in one way or the other.
Speaker 2: And we know what the outcome is. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at the violence happening in Cincinnati, and you wonder how
Speaker 2: many of those young lives could have been reached years
Speaker 2: before if we would have done this. But the good
Speaker 2: news is we're making progress. So let's talk about the
Speaker 2: expansion into public schools and the life because I mentioned
Speaker 2: Woodward and the light bulb went off for I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people and they heard and this is
Speaker 2: years ago, and you'd be able to articulate this better
Speaker 2: than I can. But I recall going, hey, these are
Speaker 2: kids who are like on the margins, probably not doing well.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, we're teaching the trades, shop class, shop,
Speaker 2: math and stuff like that, and they went from literally
Speaker 2: on the board line of dropping out to being among
Speaker 2: the best performers in the.
Speaker 1: School in the school itself, as far as academics go.
Speaker 5: In twenty seventeen is when we started the program at
Speaker 5: Woodward and the first eleven students that were put into
Speaker 5: the program were very high risk. Two of the eleven
Speaker 5: dropped out of school fairly quick. The other nine continue
Speaker 5: through the program and graduated four years later. Seven went
Speaker 5: into the trades, two actually went into nursing, and one
Speaker 5: of the nine end up top five of the class academically.
Speaker 4: And it was all because of the math program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they could see it now and I think
Speaker 2: that that literally goes. I know it kept getting back
Speaker 2: to that, but that's a big thing. I think to
Speaker 2: get those mind, the hearts and mind change.
Speaker 1: And then when you.
Speaker 2: See the educators go wow, Okay, well maybe we're missing
Speaker 2: something here. Now it's spread like wildfire.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we started it Woodward and teachers were talking to
Speaker 5: other teachers at other school systems, and maybe eight years
Speaker 5: later we're in thirty one school systems. That's unreal throughout
Speaker 5: the Ohio and Northy.
Speaker 2: Could So it's making a comeback, but we still have
Speaker 2: a long way to go, right, Amanda. That's the thing
Speaker 2: is with the scholarship and the attention, the spirit of
Speaker 2: Construction Foundation, there's just so much more work so this
Speaker 2: is just just the start of things. I mean, thirty
Speaker 2: one schools from one is a lot in just a
Speaker 2: few short years, less than a decade. But you want
Speaker 2: to see that number in one hundreds, nowolute, how do
Speaker 2: you do that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: One of the ways is that we are making investments
Speaker 6: in workforce development programs. Specifically, as we've mentioned, we're targeting
Speaker 6: kids that are in middle school in Northern Kentucky. We
Speaker 6: supported a program called Trades Northern Kentucky. It started out
Speaker 6: in Campbell County schools reaching about two hundred and seventy
Speaker 6: middle schoolers. With our support and matching dollars from BNKY,
Speaker 6: they're now in Kenton County schools and in Homes Middle
Speaker 6: School they're reaching over six hundred kids. And that's again
Speaker 6: providing exposure to the students about what is skilled trades,
Speaker 6: what does a career path look like? And then for
Speaker 6: the very first time, Trades in Northern Kentucky is having
Speaker 6: a Skilled Trades Career Fair in April of twenty six.
Speaker 6: And again, we just want to continue to provide exposure
Speaker 6: to students that you know, as you guys have talked
Speaker 6: about our visual learners, maybe not you know, planning on
Speaker 6: going to college. But we want to tell the kids,
Speaker 6: but not only the kids, their parents, that skilled trades
Speaker 6: is a viable career path where you can make great
Speaker 6: money and have a really great future and great career
Speaker 6: if you pick it.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like because of these students don't let
Speaker 2: the student debt and the long crisis and a host
Speaker 2: of other factors, that parents are starting to maybe wake
Speaker 2: up that way because on that long ago where and
Speaker 2: a lot of parents, some parents still do this. They
Speaker 2: look at their success as a parent by where the
Speaker 2: kid goes to college and not as that that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's still that stigma out there like, oh,
Speaker 2: my kid doesn't go to college and here or she
Speaker 2: it's shame and somehow it's shameful, and it's all that's marketing,
Speaker 2: is all that is. Are we starting to win that
Speaker 2: war of attrition or starting to win that war that
Speaker 2: the trades are noble and also a very enriching area.
Speaker 6: To go Absolutely, and I think it's all about dollars
Speaker 6: and cents too. If we can show them that your
Speaker 6: child can earn to learn through an apprenticeship program, so
Speaker 6: right out of high school they're making money. They're not encouraging,
Speaker 6: they're not incurring college debt, and they're making a really
Speaker 6: great wage. I think that's the story that we have
Speaker 6: to get to parents that it's it's an exciting, honorable
Speaker 6: career that a lot of people, you know, find great
Speaker 6: joy in and it's okay to not go to college.
Speaker 6: And so not only are we trying to tell the
Speaker 6: kids that, but we also need to tell their parents
Speaker 6: that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully that model is changing that the value
Speaker 2: of parenthood is not like where my kid went to school,
Speaker 2: or where I'm going to school, or you know, where
Speaker 2: the degree is from.
Speaker 1: It's rather the fact is like are you being productive?
Speaker 2: You know, can you afford a middle class or offera
Speaker 2: Pesson lifestyle? And a lot of folks who are in
Speaker 2: the trades right it's like, hey, you know the light
Speaker 2: bull goes off, Like my nephew's in electrical now, And
Speaker 2: I said, you know, when you're my age, though, you
Speaker 2: want to be the guy who owns the place that
Speaker 2: is hiring other electricians Like John, you're a family business
Speaker 2: at Valianteer, you know what I'm saying. But how many
Speaker 2: guys do that? And women now that are learning and
Speaker 2: becoming masters of what they do, but then branching off
Speaker 2: and doing their own thing. That's American dream.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The stories are numerous, and we at the gala next
Speaker 5: weekend over thirty years of a Lifetime Achievement Award winners.
Speaker 5: The stories were all about I had a pickup truck,
Speaker 5: I went to the banker and got a ten thousand
Speaker 5: dollars loan and created a you know, a company that
Speaker 5: hires five hundred people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the stories are endless.
Speaker 5: It's just you know, most contractors are very humble and
Speaker 5: don't toot their horn, and most people don't understand the
Speaker 5: opportunities that exist within the construction industry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Jostin for example, and you
Speaker 2: know the Smithman family.
Speaker 1: Same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we started this thing and they're growing
Speaker 2: and growing in company. It happens all the time, like
Speaker 2: these these people will leave, you know, folks will leave
Speaker 2: a company, or they'll get some experience in trades and
Speaker 2: wind up doing their own thing and grow, which turns
Speaker 2: out to be the future. Companies will be board members
Speaker 2: and have seats at the table the future spiritual construct
Speaker 2: and so it's an awesome thing to see. So, you know,
Speaker 2: if you have the wherewith all the knowledge a little
Speaker 2: bit of luck on your side too, you can achieve
Speaker 2: these great things. And there's so many people. That always
Speaker 2: strikes me that when we do the event and again
Speaker 2: it's a twenty fifth and how many people are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: high school, you don't you know, you don't need a
Speaker 2: doctorate in construction. I mean, it's nice that you have
Speaker 2: that stuff, right architectural to grow, kay, But a lot
Speaker 2: of those folks are like, yeah, I was swinging a hammer,
Speaker 2: or I was you know, I was using a shovel,
Speaker 2: or I was doing heavy equipment and just kind of
Speaker 2: grew into this thing. And here we are today and
Speaker 2: now when playing hundreds of people, it's great.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people, you know, it's it's a
Speaker 4: very generous group of people.
Speaker 1: Also.
Speaker 5: I mean next weekend we're looking at raising I think
Speaker 5: one point one million dollars to give back to the
Speaker 5: trades right right, And this is all homegrown in Cincinnati
Speaker 5: companies that are that are supporting what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you go, I want to get a plug
Speaker 2: in real quick for the beer because that's really really cool.
Speaker 2: That's one of the coolest partnerships collabs. As a kid
Speaker 2: say today, Uh, Spirit of Construction and Blueprint.
Speaker 6: That's so last spring. This past spring we launched a
Speaker 6: beer with Braxton. It's called Braxton Blueprint, and proceeds from
Speaker 6: the sales of the beer actually come back to the
Speaker 6: Spirit and we're going to reinvest in workforce development. The
Speaker 6: beer can be found at Kroger, Party Source independent liquor stores.
Speaker 6: So go out and buy a fifteen pack called Blueprint
Speaker 6: by braxtlue.
Speaker 2: Print by Backs, which by the way, I have a fifty.
Speaker 2: I have some in my fridge at home for that
Speaker 2: very reason. Support the cause and if you see that,
Speaker 2: go and it's really, actually really good beer. So really
Speaker 2: they BRAC did a great job. We're there for the rollout.
Speaker 2: I got to get going. But again I know that
Speaker 2: the gala is sold up. But congratulations John in your
Speaker 2: lifetime achievement. It's well deserved. My buddy John Strasser and
Speaker 2: Amanda Smith, who of course now is the executive director
Speaker 2: of Spirit Construction Foundation popping in their gala happens on
Speaker 2: the twenty fifth. But just wanted to lay out all
Speaker 2: the great work. Well, those bad news are happening, this
Speaker 2: is good news, like this is solving the problem of
Speaker 2: generational poverty and the problems we face in downtown Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: but also enabling young people to realize that, like hey, listen,
Speaker 2: not the best epic academic in roll, but there's a
Speaker 2: chance for you to be extremely successful in life. It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean where you go to college. It's just you
Speaker 2: got to continue your learning. Some of us learn differently
Speaker 2: than others, and we'll recognize that. And the growth has
Speaker 2: been tremendous here in Cincinnati. So really proud of that
Speaker 2: for you guys. Congratulations and thanks again for coming in.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I have a great weekend. I got to get a
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