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Speaker 1: I's wishing everyone a very happy Friday. We've got some

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Speaker 1: great plans over the weekend. I think I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: to make it up to you see tomorrow for homecoming.

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Speaker 1: And I am so pleased on the heels of having

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Speaker 1: brad winstropin city to look up and see. Sarah Herringer

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Speaker 1: her husband being murdered in front of her in there

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Speaker 1: over the Rhine Home and Sarah, it's such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you here. I know the circumstances are challenging

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Speaker 1: and difficult, but you've been out there, You've been outspoken

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Speaker 1: about this. Your reality and circumstances resulted in a grand awakening.

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Speaker 1: I think for most everybody, me particularly, I'll note I

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Speaker 1: believe that an ankle monitor actually meant something. Mordisha Black,

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Speaker 1: the thirty eight year old man who was charged with

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Speaker 1: murdering your husband, was supposed to be on an ankle monitor.

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Speaker 1: It was cut off and had been off since February,

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Speaker 1: and this incident happened in it was June correct.

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Speaker 1: So here he is roaming about and we're thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm alarm had to go off. He

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Speaker 1: cut his ankle monitor off. Nope, Nope, nobody was alerted. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that I mean, if we got to find a

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Speaker 1: silver lining in an unbelievably horrifically dark cloud. The one

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Speaker 1: thing is that we now know that and that maybe

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Speaker 1: of this Patrick Herringer act that some some folks in

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask him, and I know my

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Speaker 1: holding up? How's life been since that?

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Speaker 3: Are?

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Speaker 1: You know? Are things improving for you? Because the devastation.

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Speaker 3: No, I I'm the answer that I've and it's true,

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Speaker 3: but I've I've learned to to give to people as

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Speaker 3: I'm building capacity. And one of the hardest things that

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Speaker 3: I've actually learned through all of this, outside of you know,

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Speaker 3: Our society where people want to find they want to

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Speaker 3: see you progress and get better, and of course there's

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Speaker 3: and wanting to make sure I'm okay. But it's something

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Speaker 3: actually very grateful that you provide a space for me

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Speaker 3: order as part of that process to be able to

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Speaker 1: Amen. And you know, the only the parallel I'm going

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Speaker 1: You know, it's anything I can do, you know, And

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Speaker 1: so people really delicately approach this subject. But not gonna

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Speaker 1: through all the reasons life is great for you. You've got this,

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Speaker 1: that reflects and ignorance about depression grief comparable. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think you know, and I think that's the whole

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Speaker 1: Your presence alone may be enough.

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Speaker 3: The coaches that are at Friendly Movement, they're phenomenal. They've

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Speaker 3: And everyone there lost Patrick to as well. It's a

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Speaker 3: Patrick was a pillar in the OTR community. People knew him,

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Speaker 1: Oh makes sense on Finley Street. So go ahead, you

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Speaker 1: Well that's great, a little incentive for others to might

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Speaker 1: That's Sarah Sarah Herringer. And can I observe before we

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Speaker 2: And that was one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 3: That being the shock of it all is they're like,

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Speaker 1: Here and your posts, your Facebook posts, You've been very

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Speaker 1: And she's going to see that through eight point fifteen

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Speaker 1: Coming up on eight nineteen Brian Thomas with Sarah Herringer.

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Speaker 1: Of course she lost her husband, that tragic, awful should

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Speaker 1: right in on you. We can find a Mexican drug cartel,

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Speaker 1: can find a guy local who's cut his ankle monitor off.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't happening. Is again the murder of your

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Speaker 1: gotten any answers to why that is? I mean, clearly

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Speaker 1: there's a Patrick Herringder Act being discussed now in Columbus

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to the details on that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But what have you learned since then, Sarah?

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Speaker 2: As far as ankle monitors go, or what happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, either specifically with him or just the whole thing

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Speaker 1: seems to have been a broken concept from the get go,

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Speaker 1: and your husband is the tragic result of or what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 3: So from the state level, that is who parole and

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Speaker 1: You know the legislation is up there, Patrick Heringer act

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Speaker 1: in their home. And of course the ancal monitor. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about that. There is legislation. It's up there in

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Speaker 1: Columbus and you can call your representatives and your senators

439
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Speaker 1: and ask them where it is the Patrick Herringer Act.

440
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Speaker 1: Will it come out of committee anytime soon? Will we

441
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Speaker 1: get some reform that seems to be overly needed. Guess what,

442
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Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty five. We've got new technology that's not

443
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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years old, apparently, and it might work. So

444
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Speaker 1: inquiring minds want to know, Sarah. Apparently Christopher Smithman among

445
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Speaker 1: others listening right now, and was the topic that you

446
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Speaker 1: and I were talking about when we got the text

447
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Speaker 1: message and the message from Streker. Hey, what's the story

448
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Speaker 1: on the mayor? Has the mayor reached out to you?

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Speaker 1: And have you heard anything from any of the council members?

450
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Speaker 1: So let's answer their questions and mind what's going on

451
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Speaker 1: on that level? Sarah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was, I mean, you said it so well.

453
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Speaker 3: The silences is deafening. I and I before we went

454
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Speaker 3: on the segment, I was gonna say, yes, reach out,

455
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Speaker 3: but also reach out to Aftab and ask what he's

456
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Speaker 3: done for safety reform. And he's got a lot of

457
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Speaker 3: influence standing behind him. If there's someone who should be

458
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Speaker 3: reaching out to state representatives and trying to get a

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Speaker 3: law passed on that level, You would think you would.

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Speaker 2: Be pretty helpful with that, you would.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and city, No one on city Council has reached out.

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Speaker 3: John Cranley reached out when he found out he's not

463
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Speaker 3: exactly and was, you know, is there anything I can

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Speaker 3: help you with? Is there anyone who I can connect

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Speaker 3: you with? And that's someone who no longer holds political office,

466
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Speaker 3: but has influence and and wants to help. And so

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Speaker 3: when I met with Aftab and he said I'll do

468
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Speaker 3: whatever it takes to help you pass any type of laws,

469
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Speaker 3: It's like, well, you know, we need to see action.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's something that this entire time I've

471
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Speaker 3: been saying is the people who are currently in office

472
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Speaker 3: care far more about optics than they do about action.

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Speaker 3: And that's something that voters need to be considering. Hopefully

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Speaker 3: that gets people out of their seats and gets them

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Speaker 3: down into the voting booths next month, because the current

476
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Speaker 3: administration has done nothing to try to make sure that

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Speaker 3: they're safer than they were in June.

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Speaker 1: Well, as I told you, and I can let my

479
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Speaker 1: listeners know the little story. I think it was talking

480
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Speaker 1: with Christopher Smithman, who's running for council. Of course he

481
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Speaker 1: goes door to door and how many times people residents

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Speaker 1: of the City of Cincinnati in the weeks leading up

483
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Speaker 1: to the election, which is the first week in November,

484
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Speaker 1: everybody that they don't even know there's an election coming up.

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Speaker 1: I mean with a straight face to say, oh, we

486
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Speaker 1: have an election coming up, like, yeah, vote for the

487
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Speaker 1: mayor and nine city council members. That someone could live

488
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Speaker 1: in the City of Cincinnati and be so politically oblivious

489
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Speaker 1: is to not know that all important election is coming

490
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Speaker 1: up and something that they might be able to have

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Speaker 1: an impact on their own neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean local politics is really where you have

493
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Speaker 3: the most amount of control and where it affects you

494
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Speaker 3: the most, quite honestly. And you know, everyone they get

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Speaker 3: wrapped up if they do vote on the national level.

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Speaker 3: But right now, yeah, if you live in the city

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Speaker 3: and you want to see your neighborhoods get safer, who

498
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Speaker 3: you vote in in this next election is going to

499
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Speaker 3: make a difference as to whether we see that improve

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Speaker 3: or we see it to continue to rot and fall apart.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction. I mean up until only recently, as

502
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Speaker 1: I said earlier, in a moment of time ago, Aftab

503
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Speaker 1: said there was no crime problem in the city Cincinnati,

504
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Speaker 1: And now he's pivoted over to saying public safety is

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Speaker 1: our number one or has always been our number one priority.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's saying now as we fast a close

507
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Speaker 1: pro the election. What's your reaction to that sort of

508
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Speaker 1: bipolar reality of what he's saying.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if people are paying attention, they see

510
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Speaker 3: the conflict, right they And initially they had released the

511
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: CPD had released saying hey, look, crime's down during winter,

512
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Speaker 3: and then in the very next press conference, the chief says,

513
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Speaker 3: we knew things were going to ramp up.

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Speaker 2: So it's what is it? Is crime down or did

515
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Speaker 2: you know it was going to ramp up?

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Speaker 3: What is it We don't have a crime problem or

517
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Speaker 3: Aftab said safety is our first, second, and third priority.

518
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Speaker 3: So which one is it. He's also now throwing out numbers.

519
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Speaker 3: Data is confusing or he doesn't want to deal with it.

520
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Speaker 3: He's like, oh, let's not look at the data. People

521
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Speaker 3: don't feel safe and their feelings aren't and it's like people,

522
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Speaker 3: I'm it's not down to whether I felt safe or not.

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Speaker 3: We were not safe. People in OTR are not safe.

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Speaker 3: And what has changed? And now you know they're either

525
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Speaker 3: a great distraction and probably doing the right thing too

526
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Speaker 3: with scrutinizing the chief. But you know, if you have

527
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Speaker 3: to look over the last the question that voters should

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Speaker 3: be asking themselves is are they safer in the city

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Speaker 3: than they were four years ago.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way of putting it, you know. And Sarah,

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Speaker 1: I used to work in over the Rhine back in

532
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Speaker 1: the eighties, a place called Harry's Meats and Seafood. It's

533
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Speaker 1: not there anymore. It was across from the Central Stand

534
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Speaker 1: and I would walk back and forth to my car,

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Speaker 1: you know, white kid from del High In. This is

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Speaker 1: pre rehabilitation and pre gentrification of Over the Rhine, So

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Speaker 1: it probably was at its lowest point in terms of

538
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Speaker 1: relative to where it is right now, before Washington Park

539
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Speaker 1: had been rehabilitated. I mean, so much has changed down there.

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Speaker 1: I never never even thought about crime going back and

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Speaker 1: forth to that business. And at one point, I remember

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Speaker 1: Chris Geiger, who's the one of the owners. He gave

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Speaker 1: me several things, thousand dollars in cash from the register

544
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Speaker 1: put it in a paper bag and handed it to me.

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Speaker 1: I got my butcher's smock on, and he told me

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Speaker 1: to walk it up to the bank, which was like

547
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Speaker 1: five six blocks down up the hill, and you know, here,

548
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Speaker 1: go ahead. And I thought that was the first time

549
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Speaker 1: I ever felt like I maybe I was concerned, but

550
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Speaker 1: nothing ever happened. Yeah, I didn't feel. There weren't gunshots

551
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Speaker 1: going off, there weren't people doing drugs on the corner.

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Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be a worse place then

553
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Speaker 1: than it is now. It's I don't know, it's just

554
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Speaker 1: always standing amazement on that. We're going to continue with

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Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer. We got one more here on a Friday

556
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Speaker 1: see deep talk station. It's eight forty nine here fifty

557
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: five KCV talk station Brian Thomas with Sarah Herringer, obviously

558
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Speaker 1: requeuing the fact that Sarah's and studio because her husband

559
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Speaker 1: was murdered in their apartment and over the right and

560
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Speaker 1: you were north of Liberty right filling Market area.

561
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Speaker 2: One block north.

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Speaker 1: Different circumstance south of Liberty than north of Liberty is

563
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Speaker 1: at your perception, because I keep hearing about the primary

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Speaker 1: crime problem is north of Liberty and there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: as much quote unquote gentrification there. But by that even

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Speaker 1: if that is true, I know there is this significant

567
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Speaker 1: spillover effect. Clearly crime is all the way down to

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Speaker 1: the banks. So yes, given that crime is such an

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Speaker 1: important issue as we go into the election, mary have

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Speaker 1: to have Purvol's reaction to the offer of assistance from

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Speaker 1: governor to Wine. He did offer thirty days a full

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Speaker 1: month's worth, month after month of four free additional Aiso

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Speaker 1: State patrol resources. And since we're not enough, we don't

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Speaker 1: have enough contingent of police officers. We're down one hundred,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred. It's like a moving target.

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Speaker 1: But given morale and the number of officers that are

577
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Speaker 1: not happy with their situation, we're losing them every day.

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Speaker 1: We can't fill the ranks and up we can't get

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Speaker 1: up to what is a normal contingent. Christopher Smithman suggested, well,

580
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Speaker 1: you know we should. Pervoll took two days and then

581
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Speaker 1: he said, we'll take four days worth of OSP on

582
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Speaker 1: a monthly basis. Now, if you're getting offered something for free,

583
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Speaker 1: and you are missing already an objectively accurate, say one

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Speaker 1: hundred officers from your contingent. You want to put more

585
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Speaker 1: people on patrol because the presence of police alone can

586
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Speaker 1: reduce crime. It's like having your late husband in the room.

587
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Speaker 1: No one's gonna start any crap with your husband in

588
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Speaker 1: the room because look at him, and this guy's gonna

589
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Speaker 1: be able to handle himself. Coh That's exactly the effect

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Speaker 1: that they have. So wouldn't you I would say, and

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Speaker 1: Christoper would say, take enough resources from the state to

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Speaker 1: get us to a contingent where we're that we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to him and see if it has an impact. Is

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Speaker 1: it really the lack of officers and the lack of

595
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Speaker 1: officer presence. We can find that out for free grabby officers.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So what I mean your respond your reaction to have

598
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Speaker 1: to have Purvoll's take on all this since he's finally

599
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Speaker 1: acknowledged that crime is a problem.

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Speaker 3: Well, I actions are what speak right, and you want

601
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Speaker 3: to see ultimately, if something is working, a result is different.

602
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Speaker 3: Aptab hasn't admitted something is broken, so how why would

603
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Speaker 3: he go to means of fixing something if he thinks

604
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: everything is fine? And that's really that's the what you

605
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: have to look for. Is there an admittance of what

606
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: we're doing isn't enough. Something's broken, it needs fixing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe getting rid of the chief of police, right, that's see,

608
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Speaker 1: that's him trying to say, well, the thing that's broken

609
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Speaker 1: is police chief three soy Thigi, who two weeks ago

610
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Speaker 1: I was standing arm in arm with talking about what

611
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Speaker 1: a great job she's doing, only to find out that no,

612
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Speaker 1: we're going to do an investigation to find out, well

613
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Speaker 1: why chief police Chief Thedi's doing such a bad job.

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Speaker 1: This is all smoking mirror, Sarah, you know what.

615
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Speaker 2: Sent I regret.

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Speaker 3: I was going to write on it saying I guarantee

617
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Speaker 3: you before the election he will get rid of her.

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Speaker 3: And I think it is it's I've heard it's one

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Speaker 3: or the other, right, Like she's either only a scapegoat

620
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Speaker 3: or she's incompetent at her job. And it's like, why

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Speaker 3: can't it be both. Maybe that's why they put her

622
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Speaker 3: in yes's you know, and it's and I want to

623
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Speaker 3: offer respect to her as a human being. I've been

624
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: I've seen what people say about people online and she

625
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: is a human and we can still we should be critical.

626
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Speaker 3: She's been chief of police for three years. Again, the

627
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Speaker 3: question is has crime gotten better? Or worse, let's be

628
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: objective here with that she rightfully so should be removed

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Speaker 3: from position. And I don't think that's enough.

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Speaker 1: But removed from the position. And here's where I think

631
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Speaker 1: all the errors are going to ultimately point hand selected

632
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Speaker 1: by Cheryl Long and have to have purval over the

633
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Speaker 1: interests of the police officers. The police officers were asked,

634
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Speaker 1: they said, do not put police chief or put Fiji

635
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Speaker 1: in that job. No, no, we're putting her in.

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Speaker 3: They wanted Lisa Davis, who's now the chief of police

637
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Speaker 3: for Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are her boss. They have the power over

639
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Speaker 1: hiring and firing.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Can I imagine during an interview, if you're talking about

642
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Speaker 1: appointing someone the police chief, you might want to ask

643
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Speaker 1: a few questions. Are you willing to follow this administration's directives?

644
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Speaker 1: We are your boss? And I'm certain she did. Yeah,

645
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: you know this woke police department, reimagining the police department,

646
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, the whole defund the police concept with parvol embraced.

647
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Speaker 1: And so did some council members that she followed their directive,

648
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Speaker 1: did what they were told? Found out lo and behold,

649
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Speaker 1: more crime, less cops, more crime. This is not the

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Speaker 1: path you go. See Portland, see San Francisco. Every other

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Speaker 1: city's tried this, and so she's being let go and

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Speaker 1: her position analyzed because she was doing exactly what the

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Speaker 1: administrator want hook in the mirror AFTAB.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And that's but I think that's it's the story that

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Speaker 3: he wants.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's not me. It's the police that can't

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Speaker 3: handle it. And that's why they put her in that position,

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Speaker 3: and that's why they're having her fall on the sword

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 1: Elections have consequences, and I'd like to see the more

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Speaker 1: voter turn out in downtown Cincinnati beyond the Sherry Poland's

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Speaker 1: predicting about twenty five percent board of election. Sherry Poland's

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Speaker 1: She's done this dance for decades, so I would consider

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Speaker 1: her her projection to be an accurate one. Wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: nice if more people showed up.

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Speaker 3: They need to they need to get out, they need

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Speaker 3: to vote, and you know, change up city council for sure.

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Speaker 3: There's some really good people in the running for that,

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Speaker 3: and they if they care about the trajectory and business owners.

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Speaker 3: I mean, downtown is full of local business owners and

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Speaker 3: even for the safety and the profitability of their business.

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Speaker 3: This is something people really need to be considering. Otherwise

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Speaker 3: we might be seeing a Cincinnati that looks, you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty years ago, when it was a ghost town after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock, whenever one left the banks.

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Speaker 1: It was I remember when Nick Cliney was a reporter.

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Speaker 1: He would do editorials back in the eighties, and I

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Speaker 1: remember him making this profound statement, Cincinnati's dead. There is

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Speaker 1: no point in coming down here other than going to

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Speaker 1: the office. There's nothing to do here. And what a

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Speaker 1: world of change has happened in Cincinnati. The one problem crime.

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Speaker 3: Crime, And during COVID, the suburbs thrived. They had to build,

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Speaker 3: they had to, you know, And so it's not the

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Speaker 3: same ballgame anymore. If you want people coming downtown, they

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Speaker 3: have to feel as safe as they do out in

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Speaker 3: the suburbs.

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Speaker 1: No one's there right now. Sarah Herringer, God bless you

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Speaker 1: for the time you spent my listeners to me today.

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Speaker 1: I'll pray for you and hope you continue building up

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Speaker 1: the strength and courage to move on and move forward.

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Speaker 1: We hope to see you back at the gym, and

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Speaker 1: I'll encourage my listeners get down over the RNE and

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Speaker 1: Finley Finley movement moment. Yeah, check us out, check them out.

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Speaker 1: Support Sarah Heringer in that way