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Speaker 1: Hour two twin City's News.

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Speaker 2: Talking Am eleven thirty one oh three five FM. As

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Speaker 2: I mentioned at the start of the show, Governor Tim

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Speaker 2: Walls will eventually resign as governor of Minnesota, and maybe

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Speaker 2: ninety days from now. It maybe around July, but it's

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Speaker 2: going to happen before the primary. Just watch yesterday was

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Speaker 2: a precursor and what we saw in his press conference,

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Speaker 2: the unraveling in front of the press, and I know

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Speaker 2: the Democrats would love nothing more than to use him

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Speaker 2: as their attack dog for whomever the Democrat nominee is,

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Speaker 2: for Governor Amy Klobashah or whoever it is. But with

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Speaker 2: what is being released on an almost daily basis, the

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Speaker 2: Office of Legislator Auditor yesterday finding widespread failures fabricated documentation

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Speaker 2: at DHS, the Behavioral Health Administration, I mean, what do

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Speaker 2: we have left that isn't broken at this point in time?

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Speaker 2: I mean, to that point, let's go and hear from

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Speaker 2: a friend of the show, Jerry.

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Speaker 3: Hey John, Jerry Rosemack.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 3: I was watching Channel five last night and they had

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Speaker 3: something about people were doctoring documents and trying to turn

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Speaker 3: them over to the auditor. I have a question, is

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Speaker 3: there any agency in this state that is not stealing

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Speaker 3: or being fraud fraudulent with millions and millions of dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because every year my taxes go up, I'm done paying them.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question I don't have the answer to.

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Speaker 2: But all I know is that every single time, now

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Speaker 2: we have some sort of audit done, we're finding fraud.

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Speaker 2: And now it's not the individuals on the outside getting

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Speaker 2: your taxpayer dollars, is coming from within. We'll get back

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Speaker 2: to this in a moment. I want to go here.

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Speaker 2: We had Bill Walsh from American Experiment on yesterday. If

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Speaker 2: you missed it, he was in the second and third

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Speaker 2: hour of the show via the podcast, talking about the

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Speaker 2: press conference that Walls gave actually taking questions, although there

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Speaker 2: weren't very many from the media, and this is what

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Speaker 2: he wanted to point out.

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Speaker 1: Six questions yesterday. He ended up filibustering each.

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Speaker 2: One, going off on tangents not related to the question

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Speaker 2: or the topic of the day.

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Speaker 4: Expect for the next eleven months for me to ride

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Speaker 4: you like you've never been ridden.

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Speaker 1: Question number two.

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Speaker 2: Was about Amy Klobashar and her involvement in the decision.

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Speaker 2: We know that Walls apparently had gone and met with

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Speaker 2: the Senator of small things, and during that answer, Walls

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Speaker 2: then went and accused the US attorney of defamation, said

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Speaker 2: that he should be fired and claimed that he was

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Speaker 2: speculating about things with no factual information.

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Speaker 5: This without having to spend any time worrying about the

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Speaker 5: politics of this. I'm going to fight it making sure

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Speaker 5: that Minnesotans are cared for. I'm going to fight it

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Speaker 5: by doing the way the respect that we should have

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Speaker 5: for rule of laws. So I just think all of

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Speaker 5: you see this, it is just going to be relentless.

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Speaker 5: Why two thousand folks, what are they coming?

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Speaker 6: Do they do?

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Speaker 5: They want to coordinate with us? You saw a US

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Speaker 5: attorney stand up.

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Speaker 1: Let me saw and again I'm gonna stop here really quick.

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Speaker 2: Because Bill gets into this in his piece is the

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Speaker 2: question that I have. He pitches a fit over federal

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Speaker 2: agents coming in to deal lawfully with illegal immigration enforcement

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Speaker 2: and fraud taking place, and he complains about the lack

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Speaker 2: of cooperation. They cut all ties with the federal government.

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Speaker 2: These are the sanctuary city type policies that we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about now for a couple of years. They said

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Speaker 2: they don't want to work with the federal government. Local

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Speaker 2: law enforcement has been forbidden via these memorandums and orders

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Speaker 2: by the Minneapolis City Council. Governor Tim Wallas has said

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Speaker 2: as much. Keith Ellison has said as much. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to go and assist the federal government. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to assist to ice agents. He called them the Gestapo,

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Speaker 2: and then he has the nerve to stand up there

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Speaker 2: and complain when they don't give his administration, his government

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Speaker 2: lawful actions.

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Speaker 5: Which has been released by would have been let go

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Speaker 5: by any other administration. Speculating about things with no factful information,

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Speaker 5: that's defamation.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's and that's coming from the U.

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Speaker 7: Jurney.

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Speaker 5: We are under assault like no other time in our

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Speaker 5: state's history because of a petty file administration that doesn't

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Speaker 5: care about the well being of Minnesotans. My job is

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Speaker 5: to protected the well being of Minnesotans. So the good

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Speaker 5: news on this is is Republicans are sure they're going

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Speaker 5: to lose the governor's race dramatically.

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Speaker 4: That's fine by me.

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Speaker 5: I don't care who sets in this seat as long

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Speaker 5: as it's not one of them.

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Speaker 4: Who hurt Minnesotans. I care that there's somebody who understands

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Speaker 4: or respects this office.

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Speaker 2: Think about the ridiculousness of just that statement. I don't

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Speaker 2: care who sits in this seat, just as long as

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Speaker 2: it's not one of them who wants to hurt Minnesotans.

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Speaker 2: And yet right now the national news media is hyper

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Speaker 2: focused on Minnesota because of all the ways that Democrats

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Speaker 2: under his watch have hurt Minnesotans.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we're in the bizarro.

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Speaker 2: World, because what we're seeing is Governor Tim Wall's desperately

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Speaker 2: trying to keep everybody in the matrix, trying desperately to

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Speaker 2: keep all the Democrat base of voters in this fantasy

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Speaker 2: world that they have concocted, wherein all of the problems

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Speaker 2: that we're dealing with right now are all because of Trump,

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Speaker 2: because he's hitler Ice is the Gestapo, and MAGA are

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Speaker 2: a bunch of Nazis. Just ignore the fraud, ignore the

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Speaker 2: corruption within our own government. Those are the real enemy.

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Speaker 2: And what we're seeing here is this clash of reality

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Speaker 2: pushing back against the fantasy land that Governor Tim Walls

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Speaker 2: lives in. Bill Walsh, in his peace says, after these

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Speaker 2: claims about attorney Joe Thompson. The next question was, are

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Speaker 2: you talking about Joe Thompson? Do you think you should

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Speaker 2: be fired? How can you say that he is speculating

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Speaker 2: without information when he is presenting indictments and getting convictions.

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Speaker 1: But a last question three.

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Speaker 2: Ignored everything Walls just said and asked what one thing

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Speaker 2: finally led you in the decision not to run. Question

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Speaker 2: four asked if fear for his personal safety impacted his

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Speaker 2: decision not to run. Question five was the ultimate softball,

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Speaker 2: what's next for you after politics? Question six was about

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Speaker 2: the forthcoming report on fraud and the commission by Walls,

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Speaker 2: giving him a chance to discuss something positive. And while

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Speaker 2: it's true Walls's staff only allowed six questions, the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: media never holds on to an issue or a question

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Speaker 2: for the next press conference. It's as if there's a

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Speaker 2: statute of limitations on outrageous claims made by Tim Walls.

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Speaker 1: And this drives to the heart of what the media

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Speaker 2: We've actually done ourselves a bit of a disservice, and

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Speaker 2: I will go and put myself in that category as well.

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Speaker 2: It's a disservice to go and say that the media

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Speaker 2: here in Minnesota doesn't report on the fraud because they do.

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Speaker 2: But it's not do they cover the controversies, it's how

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Speaker 2: they cover the controversies. Oh, we'll give you some details,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to ignore any sort of relevant follow

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Speaker 2: up questions. We're gonna wait until the controversy has died

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Speaker 2: down just enough to do what we're supposed to do

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Speaker 2: as journalists, knowing that interest is lost.

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Speaker 1: We're going to ignore all the loudest.

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Speaker 2: Voices on the GOP side, on conservative sides.

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Speaker 1: Anything that pushes back on the DFL. We've done our part.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to these ridiculous questions that are

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Speaker 2: being asked, these softball questions, when Waltz goes out there,

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Speaker 2: gives his meandering statements, says over the top outrageous comments,

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Speaker 2: they just simply ignore them and move on to the

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Speaker 2: next question. Can't be bothered. Which brings us back to

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Speaker 2: the scathing report that was released. Senator Mark Kron, member

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Speaker 2: of the Legislative Audit Commission, issued a statement after this

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Speaker 2: report came out. The OLA report shows a complete breakdown

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Speaker 2: on how DHS Behavioral Health Administration manages hundreds of millions

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Speaker 2: of taxpayer funded grants, the BHA, failed to verify that

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Speaker 2: grantees were providing services for which they were paid for,

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Speaker 2: failed to put basic financial controls in place, and then

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Speaker 2: created documentation after the fact to mislead the auditors again

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Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg. And what's really interesting about this

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Speaker 2: is that this report came out after Governor Tim Walls

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Speaker 2: made this statement during his press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 4: That they committed fraud. We have a requirement that the

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Speaker 4: House run an audit, which they did not do. You

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Speaker 4: are the gatekeepers on this demand that there's data practices

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Speaker 4: and if they have emails showing that I have committed fraud,

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Speaker 4: you should get those. Why aren't they putting them out there?

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Speaker 4: Why aren't they turning them over to prosecute? And right

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Speaker 4: now they are hiding behind a veil of innuendo. They're

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Speaker 4: protecting the biggest fraudster in the White House. They are

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Speaker 4: unwilling to acknowledge that January sixth was an insurrection. They're

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Speaker 4: unwilling to stand with Melissa Hortman's children.

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Speaker 1: And I want to mean, you can't make it up.

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Speaker 2: You just can't Minnesota fraud in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: If I'm criminally responsible, show me the.

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Speaker 2: Emails I just find it funny that he talks about,

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Speaker 2: you know, prove your work, and yet the audit that

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Speaker 2: came out yesterday, as Senator Mark Kranz says, makes it

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Speaker 2: clear that DHS leadership has failed at every level. Employees

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Speaker 2: were not properly trained, oversight was ignored, and accountability was missing,

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Speaker 2: from Governor Walls right to the temporary DHS commissioner to

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Speaker 2: the BHA managers. You tell that to Walls and he says, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but what about Trump?

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Speaker 1: They have what's called that Trump derangement problem. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard about that problem?

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Speaker 6: Good morning, John, Kevin Vonamiam. You mentioned protests too much.

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Speaker 6: That was exactly what was going through my mind when

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Speaker 6: I kept hearing Tim Walls say he did not enrich himself,

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Speaker 6: he did not line his pockets. And when I heard

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Speaker 6: his supporters pointing the same thing out, making sure that

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Speaker 6: they were pointing out that Tim did not enrich himself,

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Speaker 6: it makes me think, Tim, sure the heck enriched himself

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Speaker 6: by a lot.

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Speaker 4: State there's full accountability for everybody. Because I buck stops

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Speaker 4: with me, I'm accountable for this, and because of that accountability,

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Speaker 4: I'm not running for office again. But I have a

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Speaker 4: year to continue to improve on a record that I

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Speaker 4: think will stand up against anybody's, a record that has

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Speaker 4: made min A surta better, a record that makes people

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Speaker 4: want to come here, and a record that has respected

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Speaker 4: not only the dignity of people, but the idea of

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Speaker 4: rule of law.

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Speaker 1: It's a joke. It's just a joke. You think he's aware.

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Speaker 1: I just, thankfully I can't relate.

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Speaker 2: To being that delusional, to saying things that are so

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Speaker 2: just blatantly hypocritical. Maybe he is, Maybe he just completely

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Speaker 2: lacks that self awareness to realize how absolutely ridiculous his

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Speaker 2: statements are when he makes comments like that he'd put

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Speaker 2: his record up against anybody else's. He just dropped out

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Speaker 2: of running for a third term as the sitting governor

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: What record do you have.

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Speaker 2: To look back on or to go and compare to

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Speaker 2: anybody else when you've basically just decided to quit because

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Speaker 2: of everything that's happened under your watch.

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Speaker 8: Let's not forget Tim Wallas's COVID response. Either snitched lines,

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Speaker 8: acting like he's inspecting a huge vaccine buying of buildings

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Speaker 8: that they never used fast forward a little bit is

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Speaker 8: horrendous performance, and the debate is dead hands and all

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Speaker 8: of the fraud that was happening in the background. Oh

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Speaker 8: and midliars too that was at debacle under his watch.

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Speaker 8: Should have resigned for that, But then have a great day.

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Speaker 2: John Feelin is centered the American Experiment as we continue

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Speaker 2: You have if you even knew the ridiculousness in terms

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Speaker 2: in dot org this morning, talking about Governor Tim Walls

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Speaker 2: late as October fifth of twenty twenty four, we're talking

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Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty eight days ago, the betting odds

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Speaker 2: the United States of America. On April ninth of twenty

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Speaker 2: predicting that it's going to happen. Long before that happens,

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Speaker 2: He's not going to make it to the primary. Walls

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Miracle, the downfall of one of Walls's predecessors as governor,

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Speaker 2: Wendell Anderson. Wendell Anderson, I'm gonna skip that because I

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Speaker 2: right now. In November of twenty twenty two, Walls was

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Speaker 2: re elected to a second term as governor. The DFL

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Speaker 2: trifector for the first time since twenty fourteen. In the

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Speaker 2: An avalanche of progressive legislation, which was a one er

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Speaker 2: everything Governor Tim Walls and his legislative partners accomplished would

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Speaker 2: far outstrip the pace allocated here. Dion Cood Minnesota Post

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Speaker 2: through the list. Democrats codified abortion rights, paid family medical leave,

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Speaker 2: including rental assistants. Also adopted We're background checks for private

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Speaker 1: I thought this.

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Speaker 2: Would be a once in a generation opportunity and it

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Speaker 2: it to you. I've always said, you don't win elections

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Speaker 2: through bank political capital, to bank political capital. You win

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Speaker 2: elections to burn the capitol that improves lives. NBC News

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Speaker 2: explained how Minnesota is becoming the laboratory for pushing progressive policy.

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Speaker 2: The Daily Beast swooned at the time, there might not

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Speaker 2: be another governor in America who has done more with

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Speaker 2: less than Tim Walls, calling him the dems anti DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Minnesota's miracle of twenty twenty three was Brewsters millions, which

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Speaker 2: spending his own money, and Monty Brewster did a better

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota under Governor Tim Walls did in accounting for

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Speaker 2: its spending. The very public realization of that fact, in

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Speaker 1: We are the shining example.

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Speaker 2: Of just how big of a failure Democrat policies are.

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Speaker 2: But again, apparently this is a point that is completely lost.

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Speaker 1: On Governor Tim Walls.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday during the press conference, listen to this.

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Speaker 4: I never took this job to be governor. I took

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Speaker 4: I took this job to get our children food. I

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Speaker 4: the other night. Put the Hortman Children's at risk. They

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Speaker 4: have to look at security. Put my family at risk again.

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Speaker 4: What he's doing to the Somali community is absolutely unconscionable.

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Speaker 4: And at some point in time this is about I

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Speaker 4: don't know what it is. Whatever it is, I bug

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Speaker 4: is is because I believe in public service. I've not

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 4: For God's sakes, the children of a murdered speaker, and

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Speaker 1: Stop it.

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Speaker 4: And you write a story that one retired legislator said

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Speaker 4: think all of you see this, it is just going

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Speaker 4: Do they want to coordinate with us? You saw a

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Speaker 2: Let me stop here really quick. This is all one statement.

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Speaker 2: Because I hear desperation. I hear a man who knows

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe just maybe, like no other.

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Speaker 4: Time in our state's history, because of a petty, vile

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Speaker 4: My job is protect the well being of Minnesotan So

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Speaker 4: I don't care who sets in this seat as long

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Speaker 4: App expect for the next eleven months for me to

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Speaker 2: That might be the best Governor Tim Wall SoundBite next

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Speaker 2: on Twin City's News Talk, my name is John Justice.

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Speaker 1: I'm very pleased to welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Both a Hank long political insider formerly with Alphanus now

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Speaker 2: working on the Lisa Damoth and Ryan Wilson campaign.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Hank, Hey, Good morning John, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 7: It's been a while and every time I come back,

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Speaker 2: So we're seven days into twenty twenty six, and studio

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Speaker 1: Let's start off with this OLA report. First.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of ground to cover this morning,

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Speaker 2: but this OLA report, you couple it with the fraud

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Speaker 2: that's been exposed, and now we're seeing what's actually taking

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Speaker 2: place inside of the Walls administration. You want to not

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Speaker 2: be surprised, But at the same time, I keep the

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Speaker 2: question that keeps wrapping it, you know, circling in my

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Speaker 2: head is like, what part of the government right now

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Speaker 2: isn't you know, involved in some sort of corruption or fraud.

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Speaker 2: So all shut up for a moment and kind of

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Speaker 2: let both of you guys comment on this. But Ryan Wilson,

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Speaker 2: let's start with you. You had ran for auditor. What

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Speaker 2: is your you know, what is your reaction to this

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Speaker 2: OLA report that was released yesterday?

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Speaker 10: This is I think one of the biggest scandals we've

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Speaker 10: seen in a long time from inside the government. So far,

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Speaker 10: a lot of things have been happening have been outside

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Speaker 10: the government, with nonprofits and goos, people associated with the Democrats,

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Speaker 10: people that kick money back up through campaign donations and Democrats.

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Speaker 10: But this is the first time I think we're seeing

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Speaker 10: something directly happening inside the administration. And to see the

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Speaker 10: Office of the Legislative Auditor come out yesterday and with

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Speaker 10: strong condemning words say what she said, that's.

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Speaker 1: A big that's a cover up.

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Speaker 10: I mean, at the end of the day, what we

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Speaker 10: have here is a cover up that is happening for

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Speaker 10: issues inside the walls administration and changing out governor walls

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Speaker 10: now for whoever they're going to put in next, whether

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Speaker 10: it be Keith Ellison or Amy Klobuchar, that's just window dressing.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day. This is a.

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Speaker 10: Culture problem of Democrats that don't care about taxpayer dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it seems as if from what I've heard

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Speaker 2: so far, within the wake of these revelations, nobody's being

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Speaker 2: let go. They're just looking at trying to put in

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Speaker 2: more safeguards at this point in time. Hank Long, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know we've talked politics. I know you've been covering

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Speaker 2: this stuff for a long time. Your reaction to this

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Speaker 2: OLA report yesterday, especially given just what you've observed, you know,

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Speaker 2: throughout the years when it comes to you know, the

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Speaker 2: governor's office, what takes place in the legislature. What were

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Speaker 2: your thoughts when this came out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's every every rock you pick up

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Speaker 7: and look on the other side, you're like, it's touched

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Speaker 7: another aspect of this entire agency that has been under

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Speaker 7: scrutiny for years, right, and so this is just another

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Speaker 7: example where we talk about daycare, we talk about adult daycare,

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Speaker 7: we talk about non emergency medical transportation services and just

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Speaker 7: goes on and on and on and now with the

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Speaker 7: BHA grants, the question is is like, what how many

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Speaker 7: more rocks do we have to pick up and look

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Speaker 7: on the underside to find out how far this goes.

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Speaker 7: It's it's kind of shocking. And then to me, as

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Speaker 7: a person that worked for you know, Alpha News for

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Speaker 7: the last three years before I was grateful to lend

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Speaker 7: my services to Lisa Dama's campaign watching and covering this stuff,

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Speaker 7: I mean it's not Alpha News has done a great job,

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Speaker 7: and they've really pushed hard on against the sort of

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Speaker 7: the mainstream narratives.

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Speaker 1: But when you see mainstream mainstream.

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Speaker 7: Media reporters like Leever Goose and several others just really

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Speaker 7: really pushing hard on this stuff and not really you know,

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Speaker 7: pulling back any punches at all, you start to realize

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Speaker 7: that this how serious this is, and how much it's

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Speaker 7: really permeated the entire like sort of like collective consciousness

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Speaker 7: of Minnesota. It's it's it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 10: And you asked nobody had been fired yet, right, And

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Speaker 10: this is one of the things that you know, speaker

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Speaker 10: Lisa Dama talks about when she's gonna be governors. He

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Speaker 10: got to clean out, she got to get these people

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Speaker 10: out of here. It's not just a matter of firing.

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Speaker 10: Tim Wallas has promoted the people that have enabled this fraud.

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Speaker 10: So the current temporary Commissioner of DHS, the epicenter of fraud,

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Speaker 10: was previously responsible for overseeing compliance of federal programs. Now

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Speaker 10: that person's in charge of the entire, entire agency. And

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Speaker 10: so that's you know, that's what we get with Governor

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Speaker 10: Walls and with Democrats as they take care of their

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Speaker 10: rowle and they promote their own and they're not willing

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Speaker 10: to address the problem.

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Speaker 2: So obviously the first step in dealing with all of

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Speaker 2: this is, you know, clearly a change in leadership.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we're talking to you guys this morning.

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Speaker 2: If Democrats are able to retain control or grow their control,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt in anybody's mind that

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing now is simply going to continue. I

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Speaker 2: know that we have these investigations coming in from the

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Speaker 2: federal level, we have these investigations happening internally, But as

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Speaker 2: we've talked about, typically the response is just to put

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Speaker 2: other safeguards in. I'll get into some details here of

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Speaker 2: just how antiquated the programs are that are actually administering

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Speaker 2: these taxpayer dollars. But the major question that I have,

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Speaker 2: even beyond all of that, of which I fully understand

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Speaker 2: there's not a good answer to, it's kind of what

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Speaker 2: I woke up to this morning, is the whole thing

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Speaker 2: just seems so broken.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you fix it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, every single like you said, Hank, every single

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Speaker 2: you know, stone unturned, you just end up exposing something else,

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Speaker 2: and you get down to actually the mechanism at which

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Speaker 2: the government is working off of, down to the computer

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Speaker 2: systems is our CAG.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how fixable is this problem.

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Speaker 2: Without just completely destroying everything that's there and building it

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Speaker 2: from the ground, from the ground up. I hate to

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Speaker 2: be so extreme, but that's kind of where I'm at

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, look, we've had sixteen years since TIMPLELENTI,

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Speaker 10: sixteen years of Democrat control running these institutions, running these organizations,

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Speaker 10: and this thing does need to be brought down to

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Speaker 10: its studs and built back up to.

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Speaker 1: Make Minnesota stronger and better.

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Speaker 10: I mean, so we can have a better outcome, So

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Speaker 10: the people that really need the help are getting served.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: I put out a brief statement last night online about.

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Speaker 1: This, the doctor Oz yeah, doctor Oz statement.

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Speaker 10: And there are real people that are being hurt in

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Speaker 10: Minnesota by the effect of Governor Walls and the democrats negligence.

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Speaker 10: Hur are people that need these programs and rely on

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Speaker 10: them that are not going to be able to get

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Speaker 10: them now because of how Democrats have been so careless

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Speaker 10: and reckless with their dollars. And so this is the

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Speaker 10: thing that whoever runs against Lisa daymidth, whoever runs for

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Speaker 10: the Democrat the Democrat ticket, is going to have to

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Speaker 10: run in the backdrop of is taking account for all

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Speaker 10: of the hurt that they are doing to Minnesota's that

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Speaker 10: is a result of Democrats and Tim Wallas's failed policies.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Wilson, lieutenant governor candidate running with Lisa Damouth Hank

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Speaker 2: Long is in studio with us as well. Is it

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Speaker 2: broken beyond repair in your mind?

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Speaker 7: Hank? I don't think so, And obviously I'm speaking for

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Speaker 7: I think the next governor of Minnesota and Lisa Damoth.

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Speaker 7: Kind of an unfair question I could play, Yeah, but

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Speaker 7: from my prior life which is long life as a journalist.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think you see the fight that Republicans

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Speaker 7: put up against the Democrats when Walls had won another

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Speaker 7: term and there was the quote unquote trifecta in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty three and twenty twenty four, and the Republicans in

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Speaker 7: the House, in the Senate took a stand and they

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Speaker 7: and they said, this is a vision that the far

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Speaker 7: radical left wing of the Democrat Party and Minnesota has

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Speaker 7: and we absolutely object to it.

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Speaker 1: And then we saw how hard.

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Speaker 7: Republicans worked to stop the trifecta during the twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: four election. John You and I were sitting on election

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Speaker 7: night covering the national election the state wide elections. I

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Speaker 7: remember we were with Robbie and talking about the outcomes

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Speaker 7: and watching each return come back from each of those

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Speaker 7: House seats, and we were like, oh wow, there's three

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Speaker 7: big seats that flipped from Democrat control in the Minnesota

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Speaker 7: House of Representatives to Republicans, and the trifect is ended.

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Speaker 7: So people were excited that Donald Trump had won another

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Speaker 7: term on the national level, but on the state wide

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Speaker 7: level to know that Tim Walls no longer had the

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Speaker 7: levers to pull without. I mean, he increased the state

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Speaker 7: budget by thirty eight percent in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: That was unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: And so now we've seen just with a tie in

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Speaker 7: the House, Speaker Damuth and her colleagues have really really

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Speaker 7: pressed down hard and said we're not going to allow

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Speaker 7: this to happen anymore. And we're starting to see that, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: there is a strong possibility with just one or two

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Speaker 7: other seats that flip in the Republican's direction and a

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Speaker 7: Republican governor. We're seeing that we can rebuild it. Like

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Speaker 7: Ryan said, take it down to its does and rebuild

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Speaker 7: it because people do have to be held accountable in

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Speaker 7: those agencies for whether it's turning a blind eye or

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Speaker 7: something else.

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Speaker 2: I want to play this clip, Ryan Wilson, you mentioned

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Speaker 2: this a moment ago. Doctor memo Oz he is the

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Speaker 2: administrator for the Centers of Medicare and Medicaid Services, has

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Speaker 2: sent to a letter to the state of Minnesota and

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Speaker 2: Governor Tim Walls, and he posted these comments yesterday. Here's

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Speaker 2: what he had to say regarding their investigations into what's

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Speaker 2: been happening here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 11: We have just sent a letter to Governor Walls alerting

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Speaker 11: him to something he probably fears and should have taken

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Speaker 11: action in the timely manner to avoid. We are auditing

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Speaker 11: all the Medicaid bills, and particularly for the fourteen programs

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Speaker 11: that he and his own administration have admitted were problems,

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Speaker 11: and we're going to call that money back from the

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Speaker 11: Medicaid moneys that they'll be getting. Now, this is a

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Speaker 11: major problem for the state because they've got to own

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Speaker 11: the fact that they have been bilking the federal taxpayer

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Speaker 11: for their sloppy behavior for years. What we have learned

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Speaker 11: so far in Minnesota is just a tip of the iceberg,

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Speaker 11: perhaps the largest Medicaid scam ever taking place throughout the

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Speaker 11: state in many different fashions, but just alone with the

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Speaker 11: things that we're concerned about, we're talking about five hundred

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Speaker 11: million dollars or more of money that could be in

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Speaker 11: places that we're not even sure how it was built,

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Speaker 11: where it went, people having trouble tracking it. We challenged

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Speaker 11: the Walls administration to give us a corrective action plan

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Speaker 11: by the end of the year. They sent us something

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Speaker 11: after hours on New Year's Eve. It was completely insufficient.

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Speaker 11: This is an appropriate response from the federal government.

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Speaker 1: President Trump's very clear on this.

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Speaker 11: He doesn't want six million people or less living in

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Speaker 11: Minnesota to have all the fraud that happened in that

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Speaker 11: state paid for by all the other taxpayers in the

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Speaker 11: country and for the six million people in Minnesota. If

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Speaker 11: Governor Waltz let you down, his administration, despite all the blustering,

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Speaker 11: now not do their job. They did not take these

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Speaker 11: very credible allegations over the last several years seriously, just

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Speaker 11: the time that I've been administrator, they've been telling us

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Speaker 11: that they have this handled.

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Speaker 1: They did not.

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Speaker 11: And so the correct of action plans that they have submitted,

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Speaker 11: since they are inadequate, We're going to demand that they

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Speaker 11: fix those problems and we're going to claw back money

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Speaker 11: to protect the federal tax payer. Well, our job, how

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Speaker 11: much do I make sure the most vulnerable are protected?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 1: How much money?

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Speaker 2: And again that was doctor Oz on Fox News and

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Speaker 2: Laura Ingram last night. We have Hank Long and Lieutenant

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Speaker 2: governor candidate with Lisa Damith Ryan Wilson in studio. I

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Speaker 2: know you commented about this a moment agoing online, but

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Speaker 2: your thoughts to what doctor Oz had to say there? Ryan,

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Speaker 2: you know, I talked a little bit about how this

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Speaker 2: is hurting real people that aren't going to be able

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Speaker 2: to get some of these services. It's gonna hurt all

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Speaker 2: of the taxpayers of Minnesota.

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Speaker 10: I mean, what he's talking about is Medicare, Medicaid, these

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Speaker 10: programs as well for programs. Many of them are joint

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Speaker 10: programs between the Feds and the states. They give us

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Speaker 10: a bunch of money, we put in some money. Minnesota

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Speaker 10: administers them by doing what Governor Wallas and the Democrats did,

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Speaker 10: and by letting our money be stolen, and now that

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Speaker 10: money potentially being clawed back by the Feds. They're going

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Speaker 10: to be setting us a bill for the stuff we found.

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Speaker 10: That's money that's going to be taken out of our

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Speaker 10: schools because of Tim Walls.

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Speaker 1: That's money.

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Speaker 10: It's gonna be taken out of our police and safety

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Speaker 10: services because of Tim Wallas. That's money it's gonna take

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Speaker 10: out of our pockets because Tim Walls and the Democrats

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Speaker 10: didn't care enough to address the problem, and now we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to be paying for it.

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Speaker 2: I want to share with you one of the revelations

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Speaker 2: from the report yesterday and ask you, like if this,

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Speaker 2: if if you know Lisa Damouth were to win your

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Speaker 2: Lieutenant governor, you see a report like this, I'd be

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Speaker 2: curious to know what your immediate response is, so I'll

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Speaker 2: kind of let you know where we're heading on this.

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Speaker 2: So Seth Kaplan had reported on this on X and

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Speaker 2: this was based off the OLA report, And in this

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Speaker 2: he talks about how during one audit. So this is

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Speaker 2: a grantee, the grantee was working with a program that's

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Speaker 2: supposed to be providing drug.

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Speaker 1: And alcohol abuse outreach.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this grantee could not provide detailed invoices or

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Speaker 2: participant data to support a payment for one month's worth

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Speaker 2: of work to the tune of six hundred and seventy two,

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Speaker 2: six hundred and forty seven dollars. It was also the

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Speaker 2: first payment that DHS made under the agreement with this

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Speaker 2: particular grantee. The total grant amount for the agreement was

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Speaker 2: one point six million. So this grantee, this individual again

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Speaker 2: supposed to be working with drug and alcohol abuse outreach,

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Speaker 2: subcontracted with fourteen other subcontractors.

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Speaker 1: The OLA visited two and neither.

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Speaker 2: Could provide documentation regarding what they ended up doing with

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Speaker 2: the money that they got. It was also the first

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Speaker 2: payment that DHS made under the agreement. What is wild

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Speaker 2: about this is the individual who actually went the b

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Speaker 2: HHA grant manager who approved the six hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: two thousand dollars payment.

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Speaker 1: She left DHS a few days.

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Speaker 2: After approving the grant and then started consulting services with

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Speaker 2: the individuals. She cut the check, two approves, the grant leaves,

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Speaker 2: and then direct I benefited from that grant. So I'm

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Speaker 2: curious you see something like this, And again I'm going

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Speaker 2: to deploy the lonely highway theory. This is probably not

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Speaker 2: the first individual that's been doing this inside the walls

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Speaker 2: of administration. It's just the first one that we ended

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Speaker 2: up finding. If you are, you know, sitting in a

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Speaker 2: position of power, you find out about this, what should

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Speaker 2: immediately be done?

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Speaker 10: Well, this gets back to a difference in culture between

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Speaker 10: Democrats Republicans. So what you're seeing here is evidence of

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Speaker 10: the Democrat NGO complex, right, and so a lot of

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Speaker 10: these programs start with good ideas, Let's help this person

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Speaker 10: in need, Let's get them money to get them back

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Speaker 10: on their.

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Speaker 1: Feet, whatever the issue is.

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Speaker 10: What ends up happening is the way that Democrats administer

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Speaker 10: these programs is they go through fifteen layers of NGOs.

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Speaker 10: So that they can get their their staff, their buddies

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Speaker 10: jobs and then cparently they can even leave and go

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Speaker 10: get themselves a job, right, And so this isn't about

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Speaker 10: helping people. What we're seeing is this is about a

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Speaker 10: system that scratches the back of Democrats and people are

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Speaker 10: frustrated with it. And that's the type of cultural change

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Speaker 10: that we're going to have. So when we come in,

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Speaker 10: it's going to be about how do we get the

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Speaker 10: money to the people that need the help. And there's

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Speaker 10: going to be a lot so people said, how are

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Speaker 10: we going to cut the budget? How are we going

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Speaker 10: to bring it back to where it used to be.

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of this waste every time money goes

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Speaker 10: through people's hands, that's an inefficient use. We don't need

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Speaker 10: ten different subcontractors upon subcrintractors upon sub contractors getting this money.

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Speaker 10: We need to make sure it's getting to the people

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Speaker 10: that they need. And this is the general philosophy of Republicans.

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Speaker 10: Let's let people keep their dollars and they know how

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Speaker 10: to spend them best, as opposed to setting it to

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Speaker 10: the government, and they get ten cents back on the dollar.

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Speaker 2: Hank Long, were you surprised that Walls dropped.

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Speaker 7: Out, well, I've been listening to your show every day, John,

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Speaker 7: So if I just went with your predictions, then no,

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Speaker 7: right I personally, as as someone that has covered the administration,

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Speaker 7: like I said, for the last previous three years for

748
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Speaker 7: Alpha News, the pressure had been mounting and the case

749
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Speaker 7: had been made on that sort of like a very

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Speaker 7: niche media level maybe three years ago when Walls was

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Speaker 7: running for his second term, and then everybody sort of

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Speaker 7: quote unquote had the files or the stories on Tim

753
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Speaker 7: Walls's character, his record, his rhetoric, his like I said,

754
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Speaker 7: crazy crazy, blowing up the budget, destroying a surplus.

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Speaker 1: And then when.

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Speaker 7: He was plucked to be Kamala harris running mate in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, the national media sunk down into Minnesota

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Speaker 7: and started picking up bits and pieces that, like I said,

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Speaker 7: niche media, not as much mainstream had been covering. And

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Speaker 7: then that gets elevated to a national level. And for

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Speaker 7: the last twelve plus months, I think we've seen national

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Speaker 7: media making the case against Tim Walls. And so if

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Speaker 7: you take that into account, and if you put yourself

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Speaker 7: in a position as a governor of Minnesota where you

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Speaker 7: were constantly day after day pretending like, you're running for

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Speaker 7: president when we're not anywhere near a presidential election, You're

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Speaker 7: going to get attention from folks on the higher level.

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Speaker 7: And so I think with this fraud scandal that just

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Speaker 7: keeps unraveling, the pressure is mounting. And so I wasn't

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Speaker 7: that surprised, but until it actually happens, you're just like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: is this will this ever happen?

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Speaker 2: Talking with Hanklong again, used to work with Alpha News

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Speaker 2: Political Insider, now working with Lisa Daymoth campaign, and we

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Speaker 2: have Lieutenant governor candidate with Lisa Damoth Ryan Wilson in studio.

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Speaker 2: Let's wrap on this Minneapolis Times Carol Becker got a

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Speaker 2: couple of interesting pieces and we'll talk about another one

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Speaker 2: next hour. But she talks about who's running for governor,

778
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Speaker 2: and she says the question of who's running for governor

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Speaker 2: from the Democrat party is actually the wrong question. She

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Speaker 2: says there's too much speculation about who is going to

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Speaker 2: run in Walls's place. Elected officials represent movements and forces

782
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Speaker 2: in society. She talks about how moderates are representing what

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Speaker 2: she says, or center left of values. I think there's

784
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Speaker 2: some questions there'd be these it may we'll run off

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Speaker 2: of what she's saying here, which the far left socialists

786
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Speaker 2: represent physicians farther left than the political spectrum. The split

787
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Speaker 2: affects almost everything happening in Minneapolis politics. It also may

788
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Speaker 2: ultimately tear the Minneapolis DFLL apart, as these two groups

789
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Speaker 2: have radically different agendas but are both vying for the

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Speaker 2: title of Democrat. She takes this analogy and is now

791
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Speaker 2: applying this to the Democrat, whoever the nominee is for

792
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Speaker 2: the governor's race, And she says, you know, rumors are

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Speaker 2: the Senator Nami klobish Arm may put her out in

794
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Speaker 2: the ring and the Democrats may rally around her. But

795
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Speaker 2: she says that this faction within the Democrat party may

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Speaker 2: want somebody more on the far left radical wing, like

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Speaker 2: a Keith Ellison expectation, Ryan Wilson, Now of who ends

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Speaker 2: up being the Democrat nominee, and does this change the

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Speaker 2: approach of you and Lisa Damouth as you run for

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Speaker 2: the GOP nomination.

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw this when Joe Biden was bidened.

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Speaker 10: Tim Walls has now been bidened, and there was a

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Speaker 10: coronation for Kamala at the time, and they're trying to

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Speaker 10: have a coronation.

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Speaker 1: Now for Klobachar, it's not going to work well. If

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Speaker 1: they do it.

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Speaker 10: You know, she's going to beat Amy Klovichar has never

808
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Speaker 10: run against a hard opponent in a hard year, and

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Speaker 10: she's going to get a different kind of campaign coming

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Speaker 10: at her.

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Speaker 1: But whether it's her Ellison, I think here's the important

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Speaker 1: point for your listeners. For everybody, it's the same agenda.

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Speaker 10: I mean, Tim Walls rubber stamped everything that the DFL

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Speaker 10: Trifecta sent over to him. And so the business community

815
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Speaker 10: is going to be just as hurt. Individuals is going

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Speaker 10: to be just as hurt. We're going to see the

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Speaker 10: same kind of stuff coming out of it. And so

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Speaker 10: you know in that piece you quoted, you said, oh,

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Speaker 10: different agendas between these two, it's the same agenda.

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Speaker 1: It's a radical left agenda.

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Speaker 10: The difference is it's internal fighting over who wants to

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Speaker 10: potentially have power. I mean, you know Amy Kloviajars. You know,

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Speaker 10: she hasn't announced yet. We'll see if she gets in.

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Speaker 10: You know, this is a consolation prize for her. Right

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Speaker 10: she tried to run for president, wasn't able to do that.

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Speaker 10: She just had to pull out of a leadership election

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Speaker 10: in DC because she wasn't able to, you know, get

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Speaker 10: the votes for that. And so what is Minnesota her

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Speaker 10: third choice now of things that she wants, you know,

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Speaker 10: a consolation prize, a safety school, you know, for Lisa Damas.

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Speaker 10: She's stepping away from being speaker at the end of

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Speaker 10: his term, she's stepping away from her house. She's going

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Speaker 10: all in on this because Minnesota is her first choice.

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Speaker 10: It's the first thing that she wants to do. And

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Speaker 10: so we're ready to take it to whoever. We just

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Speaker 10: wrote out a website called walls third term dot com.

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Speaker 10: Your listeners can check it out to thank you. Looking

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Speaker 10: at it right now, actually you can take a look

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Speaker 10: at that. You went to Wall's third term will look

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Speaker 10: like under whoever the Democrat appointed is but in particularly

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Speaker 10: Amy klobach aar.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Wilson again Lieutenant governor candidate with Lisa Damas campaign

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Speaker 2: Hank Long.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you guys this morning. Happy New Year again.

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Speaker 1: It was a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So had you come in after the roads were a

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Speaker 2: little bit better than they were earlier this week, so

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Speaker 2: aarna nice that way, didn't plan that at all. No,

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Speaker 2: it's great seeing you guys. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining the show this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All Right, coming up, we got speaking of Alpha news list.

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Speaker 2: Colin will be joining me at eight thirty this morning.

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Speaker 2: Got a few more items of note regarding the fraud

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Speaker 2: and the exposure that we've seen over the course of

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Speaker 2: the past a few days. And we'll get to some

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Speaker 2: immigration issues, including Hilton dropping the Minnesota franchise after the

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Speaker 2: hotel canceled ice agent reservations. All the details coming up

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Speaker 2: in your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app Next right here

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