1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Friday e to you starting off with the guests right now, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: although I always consider callers guests as well. You're welcome 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: to call, but not right now because Dan Hills returns 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: former FOP president Dan Hills putting his old FOP kind 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: of hat back on and giving us an analysis of 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: the lay of the landscape with since a police department 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: relative to law enforcement in downtown, and will Chief Fiji 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: be fired? Sure, sounded like it was going to happen yesterday. 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Dan Hills. It's great having you on the show, 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: al Brian. 11 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: It's good to be back. I hope you're well. Hope 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: your health as well. 13 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing really well. I appreciate you asking about that. 14 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Now, Sure, it looked like calling 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Fiji back into town from her police chief conference looked 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: like the writing was on the wall, although there was 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: what I would call backpedaling if they had made the 18 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: decision to fire her. It has not happened yet, But 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: do you get the impression that Fiji's on thin ice 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: and it's just the shoe just hasn't dropped yet. 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's obviously the thing. Bring her back 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: from Denver, which you know, in something. I have commentary 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: rights here. You know, I don't think going out of 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: town to a chief conference during this time of increased 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: scrutiny and the violence on the streets and all, that 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: thing was probably the best the best picture to present 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: of the police department or her leadership. 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Well better that than well watching while the city burns. 29 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: And it was I don't think it was a good idea, 30 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't know where you were going to go. 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: If you're just transk me my opinion of the chiefs or. 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Well, that's a separate here. 33 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: You're the host, I'll. 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: You no, no, no, I think that's a completely separate issue, 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's a worthy issue to address because you know, 36 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: you still stay in touch with active members since a 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: law enforcement I bet you have a pretty good idea 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: about their perception of whether police Chief three Strategi's doing 39 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: a good job or not. I've had people tell me 40 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: one way or another, and I have my own perceptions 41 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: along those lines. But that's why we have you on 42 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: the show. So how she fares among ung the ranks 43 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: is one thing. And if we had the old system 44 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: before this issue five thing, the rank and file would 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: decide whether or not they wanted to cling to her correct. 46 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and I you. 47 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: Know, issue five is the discussion of its own and 48 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: I was I was listening to Christopherer snootherman on there, 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: and let's hope to god he gets elected and Steve 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: Gooden gets elected and there is. 51 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: Some change and some change of thought down at City Hall. 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: But that's what I guess I wanted to say about 53 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: the chief in my opinion, that she's more of a 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: symptom of a problem in a sense than the problem. 55 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: I think she's done a better job than I expected. 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: I don't make any secrets about it. I was not 57 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: supporting her. I was still the president when when she 58 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: got appointed. I was pulling for Lisa Davis. And I 59 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: was only pulling for Lisa Davis because I was listening, 60 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: I want to say only, but I was mostly pulling 61 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: for Lisa Davis because that's what my cops are telling me. 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: So it was like, this is an easy one. I 63 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: got all these cops calling me and saying, yeah, can 64 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: you get can you get anything done? And and I 65 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 2: remember being disappointed in city at City Hall, namely share 66 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: Al Long because she went on this last second tour 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: of talking to the cops when I knew she had 68 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: already decided. I had a good source inside city Hall 69 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: that said she had ready decided, but then she heard 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: the controversy that was out there. I was putting it 71 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: out there that the cops far preferred Lisa Davis, who 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: went on to to be the chief in Austin, Texas. 73 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: But just so I'm not here, you know, celebrating this 74 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: trouble rating. I think that Parryg's done a better job 75 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: than what I had expected. Handsom downside, I guess anybody would. 76 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: And and it's easy to sit outside and be a 77 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: critic and throw darts. But you know, again, I think 78 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: the reason she got the job as part of the 79 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: symptom of the disease, and that is you're far left 80 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: activism within city Hall to the point where they hire 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: somebody like Irish Rolli, which we could talk about. 82 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: We will rest of the show, right Well, so, you know, and. 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 2: So you hire somebody like uh Perry Thiji who had 84 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: gone in there and willing to sit down and and 85 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: and play with Irish Roly. Can you imagine uh uh 86 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 2: back in the day you mentioned Striker or Smitherman mentioned Striker. 87 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: That's the last guy in their old system, would he 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: have would he have paid attention to her or cared 89 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: what she said? Ever, only to criticize there is the 90 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: only time he would have spoke up in his mind. 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 2: And even under their new system of hiring and and 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: and and keeping chiefs. Can you imagine if James Craig 93 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: would have had a deal with Irish Rolly, you would 94 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: have he would have come out publicly and and uh 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: and condemned her for the dingling that she is. So 96 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: you know, you put somebody into place and part of 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: her marching orders and part of what I assume I said, 98 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I don't know this for a fact. Part of what 99 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: she agreed to to get the appointment was that she 100 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: would she would play along with Iris and all that 101 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: silliness that you're he is wrong with that. 102 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: So you're illustrating the political reality that that job became. 103 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Once the city manager and the mayor have the sole 104 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: power to hire and fire, then they really are at 105 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: the whim of the directive of the city manager and mayor. 106 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: If you don't follow my directive, you're going to lose 107 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: your job. So let's hold I'm just going to stop there. 108 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: That's my thought. We'll let you respond and we will 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: bring up iris role among other topics with Dan Hill's 110 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: former FOP president, Right. 111 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: Talk Station. 112 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: Six Thursday, Right Time. That's with former FOP President Dan 113 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: Hill talking about the situation going in downtown Cincinnati. He 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: looks like the chief TG's job, that Figi's job may 115 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: be on the line of speculation, wondering about back and forth. 116 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Of course, exclusive control over her position held by a 117 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: mayor aft to have Purvall and Sherry Long didn't used 118 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: to be that way, but now we have the involvement. 119 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Iris Roli before and I wanted to 120 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: see if you have confirmation on something I read from 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: our friend and signal ninety nine. I think she is 122 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: at least a former, if not current, police officer, but 123 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: she's always standing up on these issues, So follow her 124 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: on Facebook. She said. With regard to the Governor's office 125 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: and him providing these state agency resources that Mayor avtab 126 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Porval took a little bit of she gave them a 127 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: lecture and I just I can read the quote here 128 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: even where's mayor and the city council forced the Governor's office, 129 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: multiple state agencies to sit through a lecture from Iris 130 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Rowley fast forward a little bit, not the director of 131 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: the collaborative agreement because there isn't one, but dictated to 132 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: the troopers what the agents could and could not do 133 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati. Did she really do that? 134 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: Did she? 135 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: Did she speak to all the officers that were coming 136 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: in from the from the state? 137 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: You know, I don't have confirmation to that, And that 138 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: might be a little bit of the difference between me 139 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 2: and ninety nine. I think that we comment on a 140 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: lot of the same things, and where you obviously have 141 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: the same political feelings as those she's got. Right now 142 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: at this stage of my life, she's got more sources 143 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: than I do, and she's definitely working at her page 144 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: and stuff harder than I work mine. But I'll say this, 145 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: it sounds likely to me because that's the way that 146 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: things work in the city, which brings me around full 147 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: circle to where do you go next? And I think 148 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: it's here Cobra if he was on this morning. But 149 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: I did read this statement that they put out saying that, 150 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: you know, the police chief isn't the problem, which is 151 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: kind of what I'm doubling down on. But my thing 152 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: is where do you go next? How can you get 153 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: a quality person in here to be the police chief 154 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: when you still have Irish Roli on your payroll. And 155 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: they I think they actually believe that Irish Roly has 156 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: like a riot button in her den or something, that 157 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: she can push a button and cause a riot, and 158 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: that's why they bow to her. And I don't think 159 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: she has that much power. I think the only power 160 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: she has is the power they give her. So I mean, 161 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: it's it's insanity on top of insanity. You you have 162 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: a law and order problem, so you hire somebody that 163 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: is an anti law order person to go up to 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: go out and and rile up the masses from time 165 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: to time, and it's it's almost like an alternate reality. 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe that the city does that, that 167 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: they hire this lady and that you know, the only 168 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: reason that I think they could is because again they 169 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: think that she has the power to uh let loose 170 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: uh you know, all the all the use and cause 171 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: and cause some sort of promotion. And I don't think 172 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: I don't think that she has that power. So yes, 173 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: I can see her speaking to the troopers and stuff. Enough, 174 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: I was the troopers or the commander that came up 175 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: the troopers, I would I would get all my people 176 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: up and say, let's go. We listen to this, this malarkey. 177 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: We're down here to help the city with a crime problem. 178 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: Not listen, uh, not listen to her. So that's the 179 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: that's the back to the symptom, rather than these they 180 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: only are going to appoint somebody. And I think that's 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: part of what cover statement that I want to double 182 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: down on us is the chief isn't the problem? You know, 183 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: Like I said, I can sit there and nitpick a 184 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: couple of things, and I could also compliment a couple 185 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: of things. But the problem started because I think she 186 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: agreed to be their yes person. 187 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Okay. Then she got the job for agreeing 188 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: to be a yes person for a woke pretty much 189 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: anti police administration, a rethink the police administration, or a 190 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: defund the police administration. I think iris Roli was part 191 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: of that entire movement. So I think in defending your 192 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: you're also pointing out a criticism. A strong chief who 193 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: knows how to conduct law enforcement, how to manage police resources, 194 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: would stand in defiance to a directive that was counter 195 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: to what her perception of proper law enforcement is. Okay, yeah, 196 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: I was appointed by the city manager and mayor. I 197 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: know they want to go this direction, but I think 198 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: it's bad for the city for the following reasons. She 199 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: runs the risk of losing your job for you know, 200 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: rejecting something that they told her. But it would show 201 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: that she is independent and of thought, of mind and 202 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: independent of you know, the direction the police need to go. 203 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: So I think that's not She's not. 204 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: She's not the problem. She's not She's not independent. I 205 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 2: think she was Sheryl Long's girl from the get go. 206 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: I mean, like I was pulling for Lisa Davis, somebody 207 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: that I don't necessarily hang out with politically, shall I 208 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: say she is a friend and I and I thought 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: she was a better natural leader. And you know that's 210 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: and and again I think I think Terry is a 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: nice person. I think she's very smart and qualified, but 212 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: she doesn't have that whatever it is that certain leaders 213 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: have that get people to fall where I thought Lisa 214 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: had more of that. Lisa politically and I are are 215 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: are our world's apart. But I just thought that she 216 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: she would be more of that natural leader. And I 217 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: also think Lisa has stood up to him on some 218 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: different things that made her not not their pick. And 219 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: so until you fix the system, and this is where 220 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, like I said, I'm double amount on what 221 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: cover said with issue five, and mister Spinderman said, until 222 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: you double down on the system, changed the system, then 223 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: then then nothing's going to get better. And I don't 224 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: think you're going to get anybody of any quality, at 225 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: least not from outside of the agency to come in 226 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: and and inside I don't know either if they're going 227 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 2: to get somebody that's very interested in this, because you 228 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: you either have to compromise yourself or risk risk risk 229 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: risks and what is no might might or likely happen to. 230 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: Terry something that this Issue five created. It highly politicized 231 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: the job and tied the hands of the police chief 232 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnat. Kay, let's stop and we'll 233 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: bring you back and get a couple of final words 234 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: on that of Dan. I'm sorry, I'm I was thinking 235 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: that I was looking up my interview with Ken was 236 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: on the fourteenth. You can go to fifty five KRC 237 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: dot com and check out the podcast. I was searching 238 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: for that since you brought him up in my conversation 239 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: earlier in this week. One more with AIRCB Talk stations. 240 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: He right a prying with Thomas here with FOP former 241 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: FFP president Dan Hills. Dan, obviously, I think everyone can. 242 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Everyone can, all political stripes can agree that may have 243 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: to have pur Ball in a reactive mode. Wasn't out 244 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: getting in front of crime issues, crimes. I guess this 245 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: started building. We've got a societal breakdown problem, regardless of 246 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: the genesis of it. His answer to it has been 247 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: only to recently create and enforce the curfew. Now he's 248 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: extended the hours of the curfew. But the curfew, it 249 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: is what it is. It's only enforced in certain neighborhoods, 250 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: and I kind of scratched my head and wonder about it. 251 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: There's fifty two neighborhoods in the city. What about the 252 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: other neighborhoods where the curfew doesn't exist. I know they 253 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: have crime problems there, but also the idea of putting 254 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: SWAT in other police resources on Fountain Square at least 255 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: at a larger presence until ten pm, I thought all 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: the crap hit the fan. I know it happens during 257 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: the day, but a lot of the criminal activity takes 258 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: place after ten pm. So I just wanted your reaction 259 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: to his most recent reactive efforts to deal with crime. 260 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: But you know, you just you just sat right there. 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: Reacting is never as good as being proactive, you know. 262 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: But also I'm going to I'm going to say the 263 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: same thing you kind of said too, that the country 264 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: and the big parts of the community are in a speech, spiritual, 265 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: and cultural crisis. I mean, that's that's beyond the mayor's control, 266 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: the chiefs control, and everybody else. It's And then the 267 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: next step down is the state doesn't have enough prison 268 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: space for all the thuggery that needs to go to 269 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: jail and stay in jail. And I don't know, if 270 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: you know, taxpayers up here in more In County and 271 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: everybody else are necessarily going to want end on what 272 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: it would take to house all the bad guys that 273 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: we have in this state. And so this, you know, 274 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: there's there's a problem there. The county judges, oh my gosh, 275 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: you'd cover that all the time. And ninety you talked 276 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: about ninety nine. She likes to she likes to bring 277 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: up in detail the insanity that you have accounty judges. 278 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: So you have all that, and then so what do 279 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: you do. You get reactive because there's stuff beyond your 280 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: control and like to swat the CDR T stuff, all 281 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: that is doing is Robin Peter to pay Paul. You know, 282 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: most of our SWAT members are CDR Team members. They're 283 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: all in different assignments, and a whole lot of those 284 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: assignments are patrol people in districts two, three, and four, 285 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: and so now you're you're bringing them down. Well that 286 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: you can't be two places at one time, right, and 287 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: you can only work so much over time and still 288 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: be effective. So while I agree if I was if 289 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: I was the chief, or if Joe Strucker was the 290 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: chief and I was advising, because I don't want your chief, 291 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: but if if I were there, I understand wanting to 292 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: have those central business districts feel and be one hundred 293 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: percent safe, And the best way you can do that 294 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: is to occupy with an occupy an army, if you would. 295 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: So back to the one hundred and fifty to two 296 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: hundred cops that were short, maybe we even need to 297 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: reconsider the complement of cops. But that takes us back 298 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: to who wants to come work here. It's been harder 299 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: to get people to come to a police department a 300 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: city that hires Irish rolling and one of my favorite 301 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: topics in my years there the CCA, which is an 302 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: anti police organization. So we're paying, we're paying tax dollars 303 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: to have people that go out there and handicap the 304 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: police department. I don't know how many times I can 305 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: use the word insane in a single guest appearance on 306 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: your show, Brian to where you get tire, You got 307 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: to come up, you got to come up with some 308 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: different terms there, Dan, But it's insane. I mean, it 309 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: is insane that to have the CCA and have it 310 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: operate like it does. It's insane to have Irish roly 311 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: and have her on the payroll, and so then you 312 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: end up getting reactive and doing stuff like working people 313 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: after death to have presence in your central business district 314 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: that you should have anyway, if you had the proper 315 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: number of cops. What's that proper number, I don't know, 316 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: I would I would say, you know, it might be 317 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: approaching like fourteen hundred cops or something that you would 318 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: like to have in a city this side with the 319 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: crime problems that it has and the people that come 320 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: into here for business and entertainment. So you can't just go, oh, look, 321 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: you know we're about the same size as you know, 322 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: Salt Lake City or whatever. I don't know any thing 323 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: about the size of the Salt Lake City if they 324 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: have a totally different demographic and crime problem and don't 325 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: have professional teams and all the other stuff. We need 326 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: more cops. You know. We can't control the spiritual and 327 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: cultural crisis that's in this country and in our commun unities. 328 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: We can't control what's going on as a state. The 329 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: one thing we can do is we can have more cops. 330 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: And that's not the chief problem, at least not alone. 331 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: The city hall's problem that they haven't gone out there 332 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: and been the city that people want to come and 333 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: work for and then go and get the people that 334 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: you need to have that presence to do the best 335 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: you can under really bad circumstances here in the country now. 336 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: Been complaining about the lack of police office for a 337 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: long time. Pervall even said he once to increase the compliment. 338 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: But the big hurdle here is getting the bodies to apply. 339 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: Whether they're going through an academy class from start or 340 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: they're a lateral higher you got to have well, the 341 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: dangling carrots of incentive to front officer want to move 342 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: over here in the city of Cincinnati, and you pointed 343 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: out a number of problems and challenges we all face 344 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: in that regard. I certainly appreciate Dan Hilsey coming on 345 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: the program today. It's been a great conversation. Keep up 346 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the great work, and I knew you and i'd be 347 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: talking again soon. I hope take care of my friend. 348 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: Looking forward to it, Brian. 349 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: Take care. Six fifty six fifty five Teris City Detoxification. 350 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: Congressman Warren