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Speaker 4: make sense of There are very few things that when

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Speaker 3: Knock me back.

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Speaker 4: Reading the tweet from Tom Pellisero that the Bengals have

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Speaker 4: traded for Joe Flacco is one of them.

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Speaker 5: Definitely did the check on a darn schefter to make

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Speaker 5: sure it wasn't the wrong one. You know, I had,

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Speaker 5: you know, we had been I had a story of

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Speaker 5: this morning kind of detailing that the view from inside

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Speaker 5: And they had been working the phones for forty eight

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Speaker 5: I think the writing was sort of on the wall

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Speaker 5: you have to do it. For any number of reasons

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Speaker 5: that I'm sure we'll go through here over the next hour,

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Speaker 5: but that you you can't just flush the season and

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Speaker 5: what is happening with Jake Browning was unsustainable, could not

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Speaker 5: Because it's hard for it to look worse even if

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Speaker 3: Challenging thing to do.

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Speaker 5: Going for Joe Flacco, who Willie Anderson blocked for at

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Speaker 3: This is a very bad situation.

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Speaker 5: But this gives them some semblance of well maybe, and

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Speaker 4: I would be remiss if I didn't mention, because I

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Speaker 4: dot Com instant analysis of the Joe Flacco trade which

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Speaker 4: the Bengals have just made official within the last minute.

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco Brett Rippen has been cut loose, so Jake

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Speaker 4: with their first ever trade that actually got executed with

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Speaker 4: walked away from Sunday going, this isn't tenable like this,

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Speaker 3: A you know, a bunch of awful options essentially.

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Speaker 5: But I think they wanted somebody who could for sure

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Speaker 5: But I just think they're not really into that whole

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Speaker 3: I guess for me the more, maybe not the more.

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Speaker 4: But as surprising as the trade was was who it

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Speaker 3: The Bengals ask about him, I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that was happening, But I think they're

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Speaker 5: But I think, yeah, I think that's the thought right

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Speaker 4: So my very first thought, beyond just the shock about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's also already played the Packers just two weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so he knows what's going He's going again

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Speaker 5: And yeah, there's nothing he's gonna see on a football

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Speaker 5: This has kind of been his life, Yeah, since he

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Speaker 3: And if the job is get the ball to those

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Speaker 5: To get it to him, those are some guys that

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Speaker 4: Many will said, well, wait a minute, you could not

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Speaker 4: have found a more immobile option, no doubt, and put

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: My response to that is, I don't care. I don't

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Speaker 4: Nobody really ever wants the jelly donut. Then there's always

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Speaker 5: He's still a flawed player as well. He's thirty seven

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Speaker 5: Which would that have been worth it? Could they have

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Speaker 3: That's all Joe Flaccos.

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Speaker 5: It's it's all Joe Flacco's so your favorite Flacco. It's

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Speaker 5: kind of I think, what this is. Pick your favorite

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Speaker 5: bad donut, Yeah, your favorite bad donut. And here you are, here,

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Speaker 5: you got the jelly, and you're like and then you

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Speaker 5: It's a little hard. It's been here for a couple

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Speaker 3: Have known that.

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Speaker 5: And then you're like, well, but do I finish it?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 4: And there's always there's always like someone who's been there

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Speaker 3: You're really gonna eat one of those?

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Speaker 4: Man I touched that one three hours ago, Like they're

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Speaker 4: a He's Joe Jelly Donut Flacco.

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Speaker 3: That's what he is.

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Speaker 4: I hate jelly donuts, but I will. But if it's

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Speaker 5: The last ones there. You're willing to eat it because

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Speaker 4: Can they win one of the next two games with him?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: you point out seven opponents that are combined eight and

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Speaker 3: Can I?

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Speaker 4: Can I get this thing to mid to late November

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Speaker 4: Joe coming to Joe Burrow a jelly donut coming back

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Once, once you get past Green Bay this week. Number

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Speaker 3: That's it, green Bay.

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Speaker 4: They have two on the rest of their schedule. Play

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Speaker 3: This is captain.

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Speaker 5: But the point being, it's like I think they. I

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Speaker 5: the AFC North. Nine wins might just be enough. Eight

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Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's definitely gonna run away and hide with this. No

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Speaker 5: guess we'll ride it out with Jake, right, Guess we

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Speaker 5: It's too attainable. Not that you wouldn't try to do

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Speaker 3: It's right there.

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Speaker 5: And if you can just take advantage of that through

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Speaker 5: just have to. It's desperate. The chance of it happening

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Speaker 3: But you have to.

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Speaker 5: Try it because it is still right there, and I

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Speaker 3: The last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of bad donuts on that.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of bad donuts that we haven't talked

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Speaker 5: about that donut trade, and I'm happy to do it.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it.

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Speaker 4: But the coconut donut in there, I feel like you could.

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Speaker 3: Maybe see some good things happening over on that side.

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Speaker 5: If they've done enough where if you would have had

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Speaker 5: You have to and I think it feels like it's possible,

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Speaker 3: It's like a blueberry donut in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bear Claus room is two filling.

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Speaker 5: What's you're feeling on fritters. I'm pro fritt I'm pro frinter.

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Speaker 5: I'm pro fritter. It's actually really in recent years and

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Speaker 3: I'll look a good five. Become an Apple fritter. God,

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Speaker 3: I'm an Apple fritter. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: never have to worry about like the storm or the weather,

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Speaker 5: can get them away so they're not bothering people when

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Speaker 5: they inevitable meltdown occurs or the injury, and I can

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Speaker 5: like just there's plenty of space where I can get

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Speaker 5: away and find a corner and not bother anybody. So

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Speaker 5: it's that I it's part of our uh our reasons

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Speaker 4: Dog friendly, kid friendly and sitting in a cabana by

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Speaker 4: yourself right now, I gotta be honest with you, sounds

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco here is about to begin. At some point

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Speaker 4: I'll be able to say this without laughing. The Flacco

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: I've waited my entire life, Yeah, to watch the Bengals

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Speaker 4: with a Super Bowl winning quarterback behind some.

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Speaker 5: Hey, who is better to sit here and talk about

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Speaker 5: Joe Flacco's arrival than a couple of forty year old

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals have acquired Joe Flacco to be their quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I guess on Sunday against the Green Bay Packers, they

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Speaker 4: execute a tray with the Cleveland Browns. The Bengal Sunday

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Speaker 4: fifth round pick next year to Cleveland round Sunday's sixth

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Speaker 4: round pick next year to Cincinnati. I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 4: saying this. Joe Flacco is gonna play quarterback for the

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Speaker 4: bank and it's an improvement.

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Speaker 5: Yes, without question, you should and you should be willing

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Speaker 5: to take it on, you know, I am. I'm curious

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Speaker 5: to see how how much of the offense, Uh they

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Speaker 5: can put in his lap, and uh, I feel like

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Speaker 5: here's one thing I'll say.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think we've seen the end of Jake

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Speaker 3: Browning this year.

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Speaker 4: I'm getna guess he hasn't thrown his last interception for

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Speaker 4: the Bengals this season.

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Speaker 5: I want so, just because it's the idea that this

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Speaker 5: is that he's gonna survive. I worry for Joe's physical

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Speaker 5: well being a little bit.

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Speaker 4: He will throw his last NFL pass in a Bengals

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Speaker 4: uniform one way or the other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I just I for his sake. You know,

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Speaker 3: there was Damn Pitcher.

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Speaker 5: We were talking with him yesterday and he said, I

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Speaker 5: thought that some of the things the offensive line was

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Speaker 5: doing were good, and that they weren't, you know, the

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Speaker 5: reason that things went so poorly on Sunday, which was

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Speaker 5: pointing out. I think maybe it's like there were a

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Speaker 5: bigger fish to fry in this conversation. Quarterback sunk. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: wash was part of it. But I think they feel

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Speaker 5: like there's some good things happening up there. Marius Mimms played, well,

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Speaker 5: there's one I don't know what's happening with Orlando Brown

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Speaker 5: getting old.

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Speaker 3: He looks old. That injury.

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Speaker 5: You know, you have to start to ask questions about

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Speaker 5: what happened with that injury. I was back today looking

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Speaker 5: at because he changed his stance last year into this

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Speaker 5: like kind of tucked in thing, and and it really

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Speaker 5: he credited to helping him play really well. He's playing

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Speaker 5: an extremely high level before that that injury last year,

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Speaker 5: it was just significant injury. And it's it's even more

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Speaker 5: pronounced of way it's tucked in. I was doing the

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Speaker 5: side by side of it, he's like tucked even deeper

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Speaker 5: in the like the push out of that isn't quite

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Speaker 5: the same. And now that could be any number of things.

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Speaker 5: Strike technique could be a dink.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's the strike technique which is really.

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Speaker 5: Going well and then uh and so maybe that's part.

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Speaker 5: But it looks it looks like it's more painful. He's

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Speaker 5: looking for something comfortable. It just it looks different enough.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk to Orlando more about it, because

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Speaker 5: that's that's clear. And you see you see that in

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Speaker 5: his play right now. And and I don't know if

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Speaker 5: it's something that's new or it's something residual from last year,

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Speaker 5: or like you said, maybe age or whatever, but he

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Speaker 5: hasn't looked like the same guy. And that's that's tough

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Speaker 5: because that was one of those where it's like the

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Speaker 5: one thing you could count on this year was your

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Speaker 5: You felt great about your tackles, you know, in a

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Speaker 5: group that you already you know, had concerns about.

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Speaker 3: So that has uh, that certainly has not helped matters.

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Speaker 4: Brett Rippon has been let go, Mike White has been

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Speaker 4: let go, Howard Cross has been signed to the practice squad.

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Speaker 3: So those are your other Bengals items.

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Speaker 4: A couple of other things really quick, the baseball playoffs,

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Speaker 4: American League Division Series, Tigers and Mariners that are having

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Speaker 4: rained in Detroit, so that game is not getting underway

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Speaker 4: on time, series tied at a game apiece, and the

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Speaker 4: Yankees trying to extend their season. Game three American League

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Speaker 4: Division Series eight o'clock tonight Toronto leads to Zip obviously

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Speaker 4: trying to close out the series Tonight. One programming note,

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Speaker 4: the original Montgomery in on seven hundred w WELWD. The

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Speaker 4: Bearcats looking for a win at home against UCF on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: The Jake Browning thing from twenty twenty three to twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five. It's entirely different watching him like he played

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Speaker 4: at a competent level. What is the number one reason

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Speaker 4: why it didn't work this time?

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Speaker 5: It's a great question, and I don't know that Jake

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Speaker 5: has that answer for you right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think he lost confidence and got in

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Speaker 3: his own head over the course of these games.

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Speaker 5: I mean you could hear him in his own head

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Speaker 5: after these games. Okay, this week, I'm really focused on

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Speaker 5: on knowing when to check it down and throw it

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Speaker 5: away and not make the dumb play down the field.

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Speaker 5: And it felt like he was so then he was

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Speaker 5: hindering himself, and then he realized he was doing that,

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Speaker 5: and then he wanted to give his guys a chance

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Speaker 5: down the field, so I gotta find my opportunity to

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Speaker 5: do that.

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Speaker 3: And then so he's thinking about that.

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Speaker 5: It just felt like, rather than going out there and

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Speaker 5: playing football and playing free and being comfortable in who

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Speaker 5: he was and the confidence he had and what he

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Speaker 5: was seeing, he was doubting himself, doubting what he was seeing,

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Speaker 5: thinking too much about what he's supposed to be doing

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Speaker 5: rather than just doing it. And I think that's a

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Speaker 5: nature of the circumstance he.

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Speaker 3: Was thrown into.

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Speaker 5: Look, he didn't have time to think about anything against Jacksonville, right,

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Speaker 5: he had to go out there and be thrown into

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Speaker 5: the moment and go play football like you know how

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Speaker 5: to play football. And he played like twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Jake Browning in your life. When he leads that drive

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Speaker 5: at the end, You're like, you know what I felt? Okay,

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Speaker 5: you feel okay? Yeah, And then I think the whether

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Speaker 5: it's him thinking about ways he needs to play after that,

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Speaker 5: or whatever happened there, the entire debacle in Minnesota getting

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Speaker 5: in his head, whether it was too thinking about too

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Speaker 5: much and what was put into.

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Speaker 3: His head, whatever happened there, it just.

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Speaker 5: Killed his confidence and his freedom, it felt like as

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Speaker 5: a player. And he looked like that. He looked like

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Speaker 5: he wasn't playing quarterback. He was thinking about playing quarterback.

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Speaker 5: They had a run game with him two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't help.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's like when I think of two years ago,

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Speaker 4: I think of how often we talked about meshing the

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Speaker 4: way they're playing with Jake with what Joe does well.

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Speaker 4: And that started with their ability to run the ball

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Speaker 4: through screen passage.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he mentioned it multiple times when we talk about

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it was great. I feel like I

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Speaker 5: could get in a rhythm. I got runs, I got

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Speaker 5: screens going. That was that whole thing.

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Speaker 11: I just I get tired of hearing myself say I

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Speaker 11: don't understand the reluctance to go under center run play action,

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Speaker 11: throw screens.

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Speaker 3: Do more of.

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Speaker 5: That stuff that we have seen literally every opponent they've

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Speaker 5: played the last three weeks, do add nauseum to avoid

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Speaker 5: true passets, to avoid being able to pinpoint exactly what

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Speaker 5: they're doing, to not just sit back there and do

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Speaker 5: more of what Jake this. You know, we every time

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Speaker 5: we've seen them actually do it, which has been few

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Speaker 5: and far between, guys are open, Jake's not being harassed.

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Speaker 5: He's trying to make throws naturally on the run, and

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Speaker 5: it's there's things there and it just never happens. I

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Speaker 5: I that is the one that the one piece. There's

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Speaker 5: a bunch of them, but the one at the top

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Speaker 5: of them. My, I just don't understand why that was

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Speaker 5: not a part of the last three weeks to a

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Speaker 5: much higher degree than it has been used hardly at all,

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Speaker 5: and that maybe.

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Speaker 3: Could have helped.

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Speaker 5: That's probably some of the stuff that Jake's referring to,

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Speaker 5: but unfortunately they move on.

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Speaker 4: If I take the Bengals roster and I remove the

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Speaker 4: rookies and put them over here, Shamar Stewart, who may

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Speaker 4: play soon, I don't know, Demitrius Knight, Dylan Fairchild, Barrett Carter,

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Speaker 4: those guys TOAs Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Rivers.

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Speaker 4: If I put those guys over here and I look

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Speaker 4: at the rest of the roster, I can't find five

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Speaker 4: guys I'm excited about being on the team next year.

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Speaker 3: Is that unfair?

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Speaker 5: No, it's not unfair. I don't think that you haven't seen.

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Speaker 5: You hope with so many of these guys. You hope

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Speaker 5: that you see the immediate leap like you just it.

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Speaker 3: Look, you had a.

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Speaker 5: Whole off season to be told you're a part of

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Speaker 5: the plan, needs you to grow, need you to evolve.

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Speaker 5: We're getting after it in camp in preseason, and and

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Speaker 5: so you're ready to go. We want to we want

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Speaker 5: to see that step taken, and it has there has

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Speaker 5: been very little of that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: And and you know that you could name them on

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Speaker 5: one hand, right, Dax Hill or is probably one.

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Speaker 3: Mims maybe, but that's been up and down.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the guys that are already signed, I assume you're

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Speaker 5: talking about the younger guys, non rookie.

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Speaker 4: Like Burrow, Chase Sickonds cool, yeah, beyond that, yeah, o

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Speaker 4: Marius Mims.

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Speaker 3: I still believe Dax Hill. Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to get there. So like, well, yes, brown maybe,

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Speaker 5: but again that has been bad. It hasn't gone well.

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Speaker 4: So Okay, Sunday, everybody weals away at Jake Browning. It

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Speaker 4: is they just replaced him with Joe Flacco. But I

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Speaker 4: guess what's happened over the last couple of weeks for

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Speaker 4: a lot of his it's been exposed how shaky the

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Speaker 4: roster is. It was a shaky roster last year. They

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Speaker 4: had a quarterback who was unbelievable. They won nine games.

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Speaker 4: So you take away the foundational piece, everything collapses. And

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Speaker 4: when it collapses, I sort through the roster and I

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Speaker 4: just it's not a good roster.

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Speaker 12: It just so.

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Speaker 4: Okay, quarterback play is a problem, But quarterback play wasn't

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Speaker 4: a problem last year, and your team couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Get to the postseason.

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Speaker 4: Why with the minimal amount of work they did the

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Speaker 4: roster this past offseason. Why should I feel surprised that

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Speaker 4: remove the quarterbacks from the equation. Even if Jake was

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Speaker 4: slightly better. This team's just all over the place, not

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Speaker 4: good enough.

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Speaker 5: You shouldn't be surprised. This was the bet that they made.

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Speaker 5: They made the bet because most of this is about defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean, we know what bet they made.

689
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Speaker 5: They they scapegoated lou and Narumo and said a new

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Speaker 5: voice will make these young players better.

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Speaker 4: And even like the scenario on Sunday, which we outlined

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Speaker 4: before the season started, Okay, all you got to be

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Speaker 4: is league average. Cool, ten minutes to go down by eleven.

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Speaker 4: You've played yourself kind of back into it. Can you

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Speaker 4: get your offense the ball and instead eight plays without

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Speaker 4: a third down right.

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Speaker 3: Down the field? Yeah, the moment that they needed, the.

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Speaker 4: Moment where you're like, all right, al with last year's guys,

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Speaker 4: can you do it? Last year's team couldn't and get

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Speaker 4: a fourth quarter stop and at least give the ball

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Speaker 4: back to Jake Brown and.

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Speaker 3: Give your team a shot. I understand that. I will

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Speaker 3: say they have made more stops.

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Speaker 5: I mean I feel like the fact that they were

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Speaker 5: able to keep some of these games close that the

706
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Speaker 5: offense was patting them behind the eight ball over and

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Speaker 5: over again in some of these, in some of these

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Speaker 5: first hats, Yeah, you go fourteen to three was a

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Speaker 5: minor miracle, oh sure on Sunday. And a lot of

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Speaker 5: that was because, Hey, the defense was stiffening up there,

711
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Speaker 5: getting some stops against Detroit after that first drive, and

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Speaker 5: and seem to make a few plays. Again, We're not

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Speaker 5: the bar is so low that I'm we're not talking

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Speaker 5: about looking great and making plays and going and winning

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Speaker 5: you a game.

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Speaker 3: But they were doing enough.

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Speaker 5: That if the offense had some level of competency that

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Speaker 5: should have been they should have been right there, neck

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Speaker 5: and neck to the end.

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Speaker 4: So the roster's not good. When the roster's not good,

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Speaker 4: you need a rebuild. How long's a rebuild take? And

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Speaker 4: is Joe Burrow gonna be excited about being there for

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Speaker 4: a rebuild when you can't rebuild it the way you

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Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty by just throwing a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of money at a bunch of guys in free agency.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's not. I'm sure he's not, but I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, to.

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Speaker 4: Tell my outlook isn't overly optimistic at this point.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we just spent the whole beginning part talking

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Speaker 5: about how it's so desperate that you're just reaching for

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Speaker 5: the Joe Flaccos Jelly donuts. So I mean, I'm saying

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Speaker 5: I understand that that's the case. No one would be

734
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Speaker 5: excited about that, But it's it's the NFL, like it's

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Speaker 5: at a certain point, you're always figuring it's just a

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Speaker 5: matter of how much of it's gonna change year to year.

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Speaker 5: If that's part of it, that's they have to that's

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Speaker 5: a whole other offseason of questions mm hmm that they're

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Speaker 5: gonna have to figure out. And who's leading such the

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Speaker 5: said rebuild is probably you know, the first one that

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Speaker 5: they'll have to come to terms with once they get

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Speaker 5: through whatever this season looks like, which it feels like

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Speaker 5: it's kind of hitting a small reset button right now.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I guess, and a good reset button. Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: what they've done today, let's go, let's see if it

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Speaker 4: can work. But boy, that again like the roster. For me,

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Speaker 4: what's what's so frustrating is many of us spent all

748
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Speaker 4: offseason going, are we sure like we're really doing this.

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Speaker 4: We're really doing this with the Joe we did that segment.

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Speaker 4: We're really doing this, really doing this on the offensive line,

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Speaker 4: really doing this with the defense, really doing this.

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Speaker 3: And they are and and.

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Speaker 4: And again, like maybe league average quarterback play has them

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Speaker 4: in a better place than they have been, but it

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Speaker 4: just feels like what they didn't do to the team

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Speaker 4: this offseason has has badly exposed what the front office.

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Speaker 5: Didn't drafting, signing, everything that we talked about with these

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Speaker 5: young players, like this was gonna define the Borough era,

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Speaker 5: right this, this portion of it, this.

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Speaker 3: Prime the Burrow Chase Higgins portion.

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Speaker 5: You just have They have to draft well, they had

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Speaker 5: to hit on draft picks. They bet on those draft

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Speaker 5: picks at every single turn. When those draft picks fail you,

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Speaker 5: it is a deep it is a steep, steep climb out.

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Speaker 5: And that's why it was such a big bet and

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Speaker 5: that's why it was the biggest part coming into this

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Speaker 5: season that we kept talking about. It's like this is

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Speaker 5: gonna this is it. We can talk about all the

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Speaker 5: little the addition here and the big money spent and

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Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson's fight. These young players are gonna to define

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Speaker 5: what happens next and how realistic it is that this

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Speaker 5: team in this current way can win anything, and thus

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Speaker 5: far they haven't been good enough. And maybe that's maybe

774
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Speaker 5: it's okay. A full season with Al Golden to work

775
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Speaker 5: through it and you start seeing less of the problems

776
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Speaker 5: and more and more leaning into the better parts and

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Speaker 5: getting more of people. Is where they're at in the

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Speaker 5: conversation right now, and hope that they're seeing some signs

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it hasn't been where it needs to be

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Speaker 3: to this point.

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Speaker 4: I am a loyal reader of The Athletic. Thank you

783
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: read your work, see Trent what you guys do locally.

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Speaker 4: I also enjoyed the work of Mike Jones, who today

785
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Speaker 4: has written about what is my current favorite topic, which

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Speaker 4: is a brief recent history of players including Jordan Battle,

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Speaker 4: who have decided to let the ball go before they

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Speaker 4: cross the ball line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I am of.

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Speaker 4: The belief that there should be an added punishment if

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Speaker 4: you do this, beyond lose possession touchback for the other team.

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Speaker 3: Are you with me on this? Yeah? The other team

793
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Speaker 3: gets seven points if they.

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Speaker 4: Get to if you are deemed to have intentionally dropped

795
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Speaker 4: the ball before you cross the goal line. The other

796
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Speaker 4: team should get fourteen points, not.

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Speaker 5: Even automatic LT just game ends right there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you lose your team, Your team loses. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how do you feel about this? Maybe a little strong?

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Speaker 5: No, maybe maybe a little strong. How about if that

801
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: ever happens. Jonathan Gannon gets flown to your house and

802
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Speaker 5: gets to verbally assault you the way.

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Speaker 4: To apologize yesterday, And I'm like, buddy, you have no

804
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Speaker 4: reason to apologize.

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Speaker 3: Really, you're come on. He did he didn't make contact

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Speaker 3: with him.

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Speaker 5: He did, and it was like, I mean the contact

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Speaker 5: was I mean, I look, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's not my He shouldn't make contact with him.

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Speaker 5: The dude was literally getting there getting conc like. It

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Speaker 5: was the way he was being consoled.

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Speaker 4: And I know it's professional, Yeah, okay, tough.

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Speaker 5: Enough, but they like it was like a running attack

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Speaker 5: in his face with a push and scright in his face.

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Speaker 4: John guy was in tears. Jonathan Gannon was every Cardinals fan. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I get it, Okay, so okay, so he shouldn't yell

817
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Speaker 4: at his player. I believe that there should be something

818
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Speaker 4: that happens to your team and you if you do that,

819
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Speaker 4: game check gets taken away fourteen points on the scoreboard,

820
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Speaker 4: forced to book his own travel if they're on the road,

821
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Speaker 4: like whatever it is, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Fly commercial the next week. Yes, I like that.

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Speaker 4: I read that today over lunch and I'm like, there

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Speaker 4: means to be with the next competition meetings, the committee,

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Speaker 4: the owners, however that works, get together and go here's

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Speaker 4: how we're gonna nip this in the bud. Harsh penalties

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Speaker 4: if you decide on purpose to drop the ball before

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Speaker 4: you cross the goal line.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: I like, I like either, maybe actually have to drive

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Speaker 5: to wherever the next game is.

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Speaker 3: That'd be tough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just you have to drive yourself alone and think

834
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Speaker 5: about what you've done. That's that's that's what you need.

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Speaker 5: Did you know that we have a caravan going to

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Speaker 5: uh Green Bay because the flights are just like.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a little hard to get there.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to get there, there's no directs, it's expensive,

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Speaker 5: and so we've all we've got a crew of us.

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Speaker 5: Really skinny, wow, James, Jay, we've got a crew of us.

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Speaker 5: What kind of car you guys got a got a

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Speaker 5: three row guy? Okay, three row s u V all right,

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Speaker 5: we're driving it. We're doing the full round, but eight

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Speaker 5: hours to green back seven and a half, seven and

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Speaker 5: a half.

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Speaker 3: And then Jay will be driving, so we'll probably get

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Speaker 3: it on of six.

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Speaker 4: That sounds that sounds like will you guys have microphones, cameras,

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Speaker 4: bring the podcast equipment.

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Speaker 3: We were talking.

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Speaker 5: About how long we should go live, not if we

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Speaker 5: should go live. Uh, on the way there and back,

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Speaker 5: I think back will be a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't care about the way back. The way there

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Speaker 5: will be okay. Well, the way back, we're stopping in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 5: We're stopping. We're staying in Milwaukee, so it's not that

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Speaker 5: bad on the way up. On the way up, it'd

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Speaker 5: be good. Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee's a good town. Milwaukee's a great town. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for you want to go with us. Kind of good.

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Speaker 3: We have space. What's on you guys? Leaving Saturday morning,

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Speaker 3: bright and early.

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Speaker 4: Let's go Bearcats play at noon, So I probably should

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Speaker 4: go to that. Okay, but uh, you know, maybe I'll

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Speaker 4: fly up and ride back with you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's do it. Come on down. Paul Danner Jr.

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Speaker 4: And the Caravan, Theathletic dot Com, The Growler Podcast.

868
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Speaker 3: Thank you as always, read all your Joe Flacko coverage.

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Speaker 4: Lots of it, lots of it in two cities.

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Speaker 3: That's what's great about it. Zach Jackson and I about

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Speaker 3: to do a pod here in about fifteen minutes. Very good.

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Speaker 4: It's six away from four o'clock. We're at Oakley Greens, Pollow.

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Speaker 4: Paul on Twitter, by the way, Paul Danner Junior. This

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Speaker 8: your annual Mammo Graham with UC Help's expert team. That's

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Speaker 8: five one three, five eighty four pink. Northbound seventy one

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Speaker 8: this thirteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's four oh four.

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Speaker 4: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. I Luleager, thank you so

888
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: much for joining us. Hopefully you're having.

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Speaker 3: A great Tuesday.

890
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: Rainy Tuesday, gnarly looking Tuesday, but a great Tuesday for

891
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Speaker 4: us because we are at Oakley Greens, Oakley Station, very

892
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: close to IS seventy one and an awesome place to

893
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: hang out, a great place for happy hour after work,

894
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 4: great place for Bengals Packers. On Sunday, the beginning we

895
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: believe of the Joe Flacco ear. If you don't know,

896
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: I'm guessing there's not a soul in my audience right

897
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: now who is unaware of the fact that the Bengals

898
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: have traded for Joe Flacca. But if you're thinking, you

899
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 4: know what, that's gonna be something I want to watch

900
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 4: with my buddies. Joe flackho against the Packers. Come to

901
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: Oakley Greens, rent a cabana and you'll have a blast.

902
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: Obviously loaded college football slate. On Saturday, the baseball Playoffs

903
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: if you're still into it, which, by the way, the

904
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: tarp remains on the field in Detroit. They're getting set

905
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: for Game three of that series between Seattle and the Tigers.

906
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: Whatever it is.

907
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: Bengo on Monday and Thursday nights for Monday night and

908
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: Thursday night football, you name it, you can do it here.

909
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: Kid friendly, dog friendly, although kids after nine o'clock on

910
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 4: Friday and Saturday have to go home, So you come

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Speaker 4: here without your kids. There you go, Oakley Greens. All

912
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: the sports, all the time, all at Oakley Greens. We'll

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Speaker 4: play some Scott Sanderfield audio for you a little bit

914
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: later on. Plus, our guys Sean Sayat is going to

915
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: join us the Stats and Scheme podcast. Sumer Sports, by

916
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Speaker 4: the way, has something awesome that we're going to talk

917
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 4: about coming up at five twenty and see if Sean

918
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: things the Bengals.

919
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: Can thrive with Joe Flacco.

920
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: I am less interested in what Joe Flacco can't do

921
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 4: than I am what he can do. Look, he's old,

922
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 4: he's not mobile. The Bengals have a bad offensive line.

923
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: The Bengals offensive line is a liability no matter who's

924
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: back there. It could be Lamar Jackson and you would say, well,

925
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: he's gonna have to run more than you want him to.

926
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: Like it's unfortunately a way of life with this franchise.

927
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: The offensive line is never good. Like that sounds harsh,

928
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: it's never good. So all right, on one level, it's

929
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: not a great marriage. A quarterback who can't move behind

930
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 4: an offensive line. That's not great a pass protection, I

931
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 4: get it. I'm less interested in that. I'm less interested

932
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 4: in what Joe Flacco can or can't do with his legs,

933
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: and I'm more interested in what's between his ears. Can

934
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 4: he pick up an offense quickly? Can he throw the

935
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: ball to the right guy? Can he do the cerebral

936
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: stuff at a higher level than Jake Browning? Look, man,

937
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: it's piling on at this point. Jake Browning on Sunday

938
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 4: just frankly was not playing at even a remotely remedial

939
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 4: NFL level.

940
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: He just was not. That is.

941
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: Those are three of the most poorly played games by

942
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 4: a quarterback that I've ever watched, and they got progressively worse.

943
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: Like even after the Minnesota game, a lot of us

944
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: were pinning their struggles on all the turnovers, the fumbles,

945
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 4: things that didn't have that much to do with Jake Browning.

946
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 4: But it's also a game where he threw a pick

947
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 4: six and he kind of thought, all right, well, it's

948
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: his first start of the season, and as we go,

949
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: he'll get more comfortable and he'll get better, and it

950
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: just it never happened. It was getting worse, and it

951
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: wasn't so much raw physical mistakes as much as it

952
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: was the mechanics are playing quarterback between the years. So

953
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: I am looking for somebody who could just make better

954
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 4: decisions with the ball. I am looking for somebody who

955
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: could pick up the offense quickly, and look, Joe Flacco

956
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: throws picks. There's no getting around it. I'm not sure

957
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: the interceptions are as egregiously bad for Joe Flacco as

958
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: they've been for Jake Browning. And so I'm curious as

959
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: to why they didn't call the Giants. I'm curious as

960
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 4: to why maybe Russell Wilson wasn't somebody they'd be interested in.

961
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: Curious as to maybe why Jameis Winston is somebody they

962
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: just said thanks, but no thanks to, although I don't

963
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 4: know that it's that tough to figure out, because nobody

964
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: around the league wanted to give Jameis Winson a chance

965
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: to be a number two, which is why he's.

966
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Speaker 3: In number three with the New York Giants.

967
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: I don't know how much this raises the Bengals ceiling,

968
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: but it's something different, and it's something that there's a

969
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: track record of look my very first thought, because my

970
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: first thought was holy craft. The Bengals and Browns did

971
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 4: a trade with each other. That's something that literally has

972
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 4: never happened. They obviously tried to make one with AJ

973
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: mccheron a number of years ago. Number two, okay, quick study.

974
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco in twenty twenty three, signed to the Browns

975
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 4: practice squad on November the nineteenth. He was playing in

976
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 4: a game on December third. By the end of the month,

977
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: he had taken the Browns to the postseason, and the

978
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: defense had a lot to do with that as well,

979
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 4: which is probably really not going to be the case here.

980
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 4: But he was the comeback player of the year. He

981
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: was the comeback player of the year in a year

982
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: where we all thought tomorrow Hamlin was gonna get it.

983
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: Just because he played, it was alive. And that's how

984
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 4: good Joe Flacco was. I don't know if he is

985
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: capable of a repeat performance with this team, though, I

986
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: do think there are better players to throw to. But

987
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 4: at the very least, he picked up what they needed

988
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: him to pick up in a very short amount of time,

989
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: and the offense was functional. The offense functioned well enough

990
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 4: for them to make the postseason, so with a shorter

991
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 4: time window here. If he is indeed going to start

992
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 4: against the Packers on Sunday, you have a guy who's

993
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: been a quick study before. You have a guy who

994
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 4: has picked up offenses quickly before. You have a guy

995
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: who has been forced to make some adjustments very.

996
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Much on the fly.

997
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 4: You have a guy who I think can throw the

998
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: ball to an open Jamar Chase, throw the ball to

999
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: an open Mike Kasiki, throw the ball to an open

1000
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: t Higgins, although to be fair, I don't think tea

1001
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: has been opened all that often and at least know

1002
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: the offense. What I watched from Jake Browning on Sunday

1003
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: and also against Denver was a quarterback who looked like

1004
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: he had no concept of what the offense was.

1005
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: And you add that to.

1006
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: The fact, like Jake Browning was undrafted because there are

1007
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: physical limitations to what he can do. Wasn't a guy

1008
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: that any other NFL team said we want to use

1009
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: a pick on, And wasn't a guy that when he

1010
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: had success two years ago, any other NFL team said,

1011
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: you know what, we want that guy to be our

1012
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 4: starting quarterback. So I'm not.

1013
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: Here to tell you that this is great.

1014
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 4: Whenever you're looking for a quarterback on Tuesday to to

1015
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: start a game on Sunday, it ain't ideal. There's only

1016
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: one ideal scenario as it relates to the starting quarterback

1017
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 4: of the Cincinnati Bengals, and that's Joe Burrow playing Like

1018
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 4: there's only one thing this week that could have unfolded

1019
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 4: that would have been ideal, and that's somehow magically Joe

1020
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: Burrow grows a new toe and turf toe goes away

1021
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: and he could play right.

1022
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: That's it.

1023
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: Any other option would have been I used the analogy before,

1024
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 4: the doughnuts that are on the tray when you get

1025
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: to work three and a half hours after the meeting.

1026
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 4: They're not great, they're not good options. They're stale that

1027
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 4: the bad flavors they've been touched. They've been sitting there

1028
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 4: all day, Like none of the other options are available,

1029
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: and how many options there truly were, I'm not sure

1030
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 4: any of us know.

1031
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: What I do know is this, like.

1032
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: I have not at all talked about the Bengals and

1033
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: championship terms, and that goes back to before getting hurt.

1034
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: Certainly haven't talked about him a championship terms in the

1035
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: aftermath of his injury, like you can't do it. I

1036
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: haven't talked about the playoff race, haven't cared that much

1037
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 4: about where they are in relation to the seventh seed,

1038
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: and it's too early to do that anyway. What I

1039
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: have been hoping for is there to be something interesting.

1040
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: And I say this all the time, and I say

1041
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 4: it as a talk show host, but I say it

1042
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 4: as a fan as well. Be good or be interesting

1043
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: ideally or both can't be neither. The Bengals with Jake

1044
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: Browning playing quarterback were non competitive and not interesting. The

1045
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: Bengals with Joe Flacco at this stage of his career,

1046
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 4: with what he has accomplished in this league, the Bengals

1047
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 4: with Joe Flacco playing quarterback are interesting. I don't know

1048
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: how good they're gonna be. My guess is that Paul

1049
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: said this last hour, and I agree with it. Jake

1050
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: Browning has probably not thrown his last pass for the

1051
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: Bengals this year because the odds of Joe Flacco getting

1052
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 4: through the next you know whatever it is, eight nine,

1053
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: ten weeks without getting hit and having to come off

1054
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 4: the field not very high.

1055
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 3: But it is something.

1056
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 4: It's it's it's something that to a degree has happened before.

1057
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: I am not exactly doing cartwheels, but desperate times call

1058
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: for desperate measures. Among the more desperate things you could do.

1059
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: If it's acquiring Joe Flacco, then I'm I'm good. I

1060
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: think I think this is a net positive for the

1061
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 4: organization and I certainly believe gives them a better chance

1062
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 4: to win on Sunday. Look, man, this to me is

1063
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: about Sunday, and I don't know. I don't know how

1064
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 4: many of those other guys the Bengals could have traded for.

1065
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 4: First of all, we don't know how many were really available.

1066
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: We don't know what the asking price would have been

1067
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 4: for some of those other players. Like the Bengals are desperate.

1068
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: So if you're the Atlanta Falcons, or you're running the

1069
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 4: New York Giants, or you've got a QB, the Bengals

1070
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: call you about, you want to take advantage of the

1071
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 4: desperate team and inflate the asking price. Joe Flacco cost

1072
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: a pick, swap a five for a six. So cost

1073
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 4: and the reliability involved here where you can ask him

1074
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 4: to come and learn your offense and be ready to

1075
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 4: go on Sunday and feel better about him knowing what

1076
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 4: to do and what plays to run and who to

1077
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: throw the ball to, which shouldn't require that much deep thought.

1078
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 4: I I ain't Joe Flacco is a better option than

1079
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: most and again, like he's not mobile. But you put

1080
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: anybody behind this offensive line and they're going to be compromised,

1081
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: whether it's having time to throw, getting hit a lot,

1082
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: being on the run too much. That is not a

1083
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 4: consideration for me. Give somebody who can learn the offense.

1084
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 4: Give me somebody who knows when Jamar Chase is open,

1085
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: I gotta throw the ball to him.

1086
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: And if in the.

1087
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 4: Course of doing that there's a pick or two, eh,

1088
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 4: it's a backup quarterback. At the end of the day,

1089
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 4: it's with Joe. Joe Flacco became a backup quarterback in Cleveland.

1090
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 4: He was as a placeholder for whoever they were going

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Speaker 4: to turn to next, Dylan Gabriel or Shad or Sanders.

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Speaker 4: Obviously it's Dylan Gabriel, should or Sanders I'm guessing wasn't available.

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Speaker 3: So he's a backup quarterback. He's a placeholder.

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Speaker 4: They weren't trading for Baker Mayfield, who I think should

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Speaker 4: be the MVP through four weeks. They weren't trading for

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen or a healthy Lamar Jackson. They were going

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Speaker 4: to trade for a dude whose game isn't what it

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Speaker 4: should be, who is either past his prime, doesn't have

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Speaker 4: enough experienced, physically limited, has thrown away opportunities. Whatever it

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Speaker 4: is was going to be compromised physically or otherwise. Give

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Speaker 4: me the guy who was less likely to be physically

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Speaker 4: compromised upstairs, learning the offense, making decisions.

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Speaker 3: I think they've done that.

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Speaker 4: seven seven six. The conversation about quarterbacks has deflected our

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Speaker 4: attention away from what I think the bigger issue is.

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Speaker 4: We'll spend some time on Matt, We'll hear Scott Saderfield,

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Speaker 4: spend a few minutes on what Nick Kral had to

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Speaker 3: Lots to get to between.

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Speaker 4: the Bearcats get set to play another noon game against.

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Speaker 3: UCF at home.

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Speaker 4: The Bearcats just on the outside looking in of both

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Speaker 4: the Reds next hour as well. Right now, you're a

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Speaker 3: How's it going, maw wonderful? Yourself doing well here?

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Speaker 12: At Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: Are you at Oakley Greens?

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Speaker 12: Yes, sir?

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Speaker 4: Oh, why don't you just walk up and say hi?

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Speaker 7: Well, I was sitting next to you, but then it

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Speaker 7: was Zach Whens.

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Speaker 12: I thought I'd pop inside.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you could just walk to the table and

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00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: we could put a headset on you.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm just wondering when it's time to pull the

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00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 7: ripcord on Zach Taylor and Duke Covid, Like, how long

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Speaker 7: are we gonna waste some Joe Burrow's crime before we

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Speaker 7: get a real GM and coaching here?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think there's what you and I want,

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 4: and there's what the the Bengals are likely to do.

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Speaker 4: I think the question that I would have would be

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Speaker 4: number one, how much slack are they gonna cut Zach

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Speaker 4: Taylor because he doesn't have Joe Burrow? Right because everybody

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00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 4: before the season said, now you know he's probably on

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Speaker 4: the hot seat. Do the Bengals cool that off just

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Speaker 4: because he doesn't have Joe? I however, I put Duke

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Speaker 4: Tobin into the microscope. I look at the inactivity this

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Speaker 4: offseason with a roster that Joe Burrow was awesome last year. Awesome,

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Speaker 4: like played at an MVP caliber level. They couldn't get

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Speaker 4: to the postseason. What did they do with.

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Speaker 3: Last year's team? Not that much.

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Speaker 4: They drafted guys because you have to. They signed TJ. Slayton,

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Speaker 4: He's made almost no impact. They had nobody to the secondary.

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Speaker 4: They didn't work hard enough on the offensive line. They

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Speaker 4: were still looking for and signing offensive linemen in August.

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Speaker 4: So it just it felt like they were way too

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Speaker 4: satisfied with a roster that last year wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 3: I hold Duke Tobin accountable for that.

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Speaker 4: I also think it's fair to look at his track

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Speaker 4: record with offensive lines, which they have to fix, and

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Speaker 4: feel like I should have no faith in him doing that.

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Speaker 4: We talked about the Bengals needing a rebuild, like you are.

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Speaker 4: You are in the prime of Joe Burrow, but the

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Speaker 4: clock is ticking because you have him in a contract

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Speaker 4: for four years. If you decide to hit the reset button.

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Speaker 4: Number one, do you trust Duke Tobin to build a

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Speaker 4: roster around Joe Burrow between the next year or two.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna put them in a chance to put him

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Speaker 4: in a position to win. And Number two, if you

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Speaker 4: do do a rebuild, how long is it gonna take? Like,

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Speaker 4: I'm I completely understand any frustration with Zach Taylor. I

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Speaker 4: have no issue at all with the idea that they

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Speaker 4: should go hire a new coach. But I think Duke

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Speaker 4: Tobin would be the one hiring that coach. And to me,

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Speaker 4: he's in the cross here is because of the inability

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Speaker 4: to build a roster, the inability to take advantage. They

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Speaker 4: threw a lot of money at the defense in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. They can't do that now. So you

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Speaker 4: can't go overpay Dj Reader, and you can't go overpay

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Speaker 4: maybe Chadobi a woozy, and you can't go throw a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of money at a guy like Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: You have to.

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Speaker 4: Draft in this team's draft record, and Duke Tobin's in

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Speaker 4: charge of that is so shody, so poor. I have

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Speaker 4: no faith in him being able to use the draft

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Speaker 4: to build the roster to a point that by next

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Speaker 4: season and the year after that for competing with championships

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Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 8: To leave.

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Speaker 10: Agreed, great mind, you got to get.

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Speaker 12: Joe Brady.

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Speaker 4: Joe Brady would be fascinating. Are you inside at the bar? Yes, sir,

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Speaker 4: all right, are you bringing drinks out for everybody else?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he sends you life.

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Speaker 4: I'll drink whatever you bring. Oh, it doesn't matter to

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Speaker 4: me anything else. Now that's all right, Gabs, Thanks, thanks

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Speaker 4: for the for the phone call. I don't think that's

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Speaker 4: ever happened. You're very welcome. I don't think it's ever happened.

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Speaker 4: Got called from inside the bar. Good brought this up

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Speaker 4: yesterday on the Tony and Mo Football Show. Uh, the

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Speaker 4: foundation of the Cincinnati Bengals is this Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 4: gonna elevate everybody. This is I'm not the first person

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Speaker 4: to say this, not exactly unearthing new ground right, like

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Speaker 4: the the the entire premise of this organization is we've

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Speaker 4: got a dude at quarterback and so the rest of

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Speaker 4: it just has to be all right. How many times

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Speaker 4: did you hear this offseason? Look, they just have to

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Speaker 4: have a league average defense or you know, it might

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Speaker 4: be the best offensive line that Joe has played behind,

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Speaker 4: but it's it's still not a great offensive line. And

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Speaker 4: that's gonna be okay because you got number nine. It

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Speaker 4: was a shake key premise to begin with, and last

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Speaker 4: year proved that. Like last year, for my money, is

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Speaker 4: the most disappointing season in the history of the franchise.

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Speaker 4: They've had other years where maybe they didn't live up

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Speaker 4: to expectation. They've had other years where they got to

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Speaker 4: the postseason and had a heartbreaking loss. Like we all

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Speaker 4: know that Joe burrow last season at the most important

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Speaker 4: position in all of sports.

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Speaker 3: Could not have been any better.

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Speaker 4: Like legitimately hold his numbers up against Ken Anderson nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty one, MVP year, boomeris Ice in nineteen eighty eight,

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Speaker 4: MVP year, Carson Palmer two thousand and five, third in

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Speaker 4: the MVP voting, even Joe's twenty twenty one in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four or twenty twenty two, like great year.

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Speaker 3: They went nine and eight. None of that is Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow's fault.

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Speaker 4: And they went nine to eight, and they took advantage

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Speaker 4: of bad quarterbacks and bad teams, teams trending in the

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Speaker 4: wrong direction, and.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the season they're four and eight.

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Speaker 4: At one point, it is unbelievable to me that they

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Speaker 4: had a QB play every game and get MVP votes,

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Speaker 4: get MVP consideration, and they still missed the postseason, and

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Speaker 4: frankly didn't come that close?

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Speaker 3: So what did that?

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Speaker 4: It told you last year that the roster wasn't good

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 4: enough offensive line, defense, entire roster. It told you that

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Speaker 4: the basic premise of the organization is shaky. Hey, Joe's

1254
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: gonna be great, We're gonna be good. Joe was great

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Speaker 4: last year. They weren't good.

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Speaker 3: Shaky to begin with.

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Speaker 4: Take away Joe Burrow. And it collapses. And when when

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Speaker 4: something collapses, you sift through the rubble or the broken pieces.

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Speaker 4: And when you do that with this team, do you

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Speaker 4: see many pieces you really want to move forward with.

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Speaker 4: I put this on social media the other day, and

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Speaker 4: maybe it's a sly overreaction. I don't know that there's

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Speaker 4: five players that are really worth moving forward with. I

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01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 4: know they're not gonna swap out forty eight players, but

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Speaker 4: I cannot imagine that any one of us look at

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Speaker 4: this roster and think that there's you know, more than

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Speaker 4: a handful of guys. And look, Joe is one of them,

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Speaker 4: Jamar is one of them, and t I think is

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Speaker 4: one of them.

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Speaker 3: Who else?

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson has played really well this year, but on

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Speaker 4: the other side of thirty will be a year older

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Speaker 4: next season.

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Speaker 3: DA's Hill.

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Speaker 4: This year has been okay, Marius Mims, I think might

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Speaker 4: be alright. I remove the rookies from the conversation because

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Speaker 4: their rookies. So then all right, what's next? It's a rebuild?

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01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 4: Right Like if your rosters thinks you're gonna rebuild, you

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01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 4: get it. So now you're gonna tell Joe Burrow we're

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Speaker 4: gonna start from scratch, now you can.

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Speaker 3: We saw it here.

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01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 4: Bengals went from two to fourteen in twenty nineteen to

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 4: a super Bowl in twenty twenty one. In large part A,

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01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 4: they drafted Joe Burrow number two. They just threw money

1285
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 4: at the defense. They nailed it in free agency, right.

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 4: Plus they still had Jesse Bates, but they add Von Bell,

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 4: they ad should Obe Woozier, they had Trey Hendrickson, they

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01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 4: add DJ Reader. Paid a lot of money to these guys,

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Speaker 4: Mike Hilton, Von Bell, like you, you can't throw money

1290
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Speaker 4: at the problem now because of the money you're paying

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Speaker 4: Joe and jamarranty.

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Speaker 3: So how are you gonna do a rebuild? How many

1293
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: said Joe Burrow? Down and go?

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Speaker 4: You know, at this position where you're judged almost solely

1295
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: by how much do you win? Number one, we have

1296
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 4: been incapable of protecting you. Number two, we need you

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Speaker 4: to work with us while we rebuild the roster and

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Speaker 4: deal with all these short term growing pains involved with that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, And so I point the finger

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Speaker 4: at Duke Tobin and the people that looked at last

1301
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Speaker 4: year's team and thought, we don't have to do that

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Speaker 4: much work to it. And I look at the front

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Speaker 4: office and all the draft choice is like, it is

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Speaker 4: a damning indictment that you have a third round pick

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Speaker 4: who's not even active for games from last year, Jermaine Burton,

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Speaker 4: and a fourth round pick from last year McKinley Jackson.

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Speaker 4: It's not even active for games.

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Speaker 3: What does that say? A but the selection of those players.

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Speaker 4: Wit did the exercise yesterday where if you look at

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Speaker 4: all the draft classes the Bengals have had twenty one,

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Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty three and twenty four, how many foundational

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Speaker 4: pieces are there? Like, you can barely find useful pieces,

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Speaker 4: much less foundational ones. And so, okay, cool, hit the

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Speaker 4: reset button. Number one, when you start your rebuild. Duke

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Speaker 4: Tobin the guy you want leading it. Number two, I

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Speaker 4: think Joe Burrow is excited about being a quarterback for

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Speaker 4: a rebuilding process that's not guaranteed to work, and at best.

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Speaker 3: Will probably take some time to work.

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Speaker 4: Sports headlines are next, and you'll hear from Scott Saderfield

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Speaker 4: five to one three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight

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Speaker 4: at Oakley Greens, which is in Oakley on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 13: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 13: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: It's been a busy day.

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco is a Cincinnati Bengal. The Bengals trading for

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Speaker 4: the former Browns starting quarterback, a news that was reported

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Speaker 4: earlier this afternoon. It was made official by the Bengals

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01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 4: shortly after three o'clock. The idea, according to most who

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Speaker 4: cover the team, is that he will start on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: when the Bengals played the Packers. He started most recently

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Speaker 4: for the Browns against Green Bay. He is an eighteenth

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Speaker 4: year NFL player Super Bowl MVP for the Ravens. After

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Speaker 4: the twenty twelve season, Cincinnati sends to Cleveland a twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six fifth round draft choice they get from the

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Speaker 4: Browns a twenty twenty six sixth round draft choice. Bret

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Speaker 4: Rippon has also been released. Mike White has been cut

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Speaker 4: from the practice squad. Howard Cross, defensive tackle re signed

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Speaker 4: to the practice squad. Bengals and Packers Sunday at four,

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Speaker 4: twenty five live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Meanwhile, tonight it's

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Speaker 4: the Scott Saderfield Radio Show at eight pm on seven

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Speaker 4: hundred wl W. You'll hear from the UC head coach.

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Speaker 4: In just a few minutes. Meanwhile, the postseason continues in

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Speaker 4: baseball with a pair of American League Division Series games,

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Speaker 4: Game three in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: It's still raining up there.

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Speaker 4: Mariners and Tigers set to play Game three when they

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Speaker 4: take the tarp off the field. That series tied at

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Speaker 4: one game apiece. Toronto's at New York Yankees, trying to

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Speaker 4: avoid elimination. Game three in the Bronx tonight at eighth eight.

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Speaker 4: Toronto up two games to none. Last night, the Philadelphia

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Speaker 4: Phillies decided to bunt. The Philadelphia Phillies lost, not a coincidence.

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Speaker 4: They're down two oh to the Dodgers and the Brewers

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Speaker 4: now up two to zero on the Chicago Cubs in

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Speaker 4: the National League. We'll play the Scott Sanderfield audio coming

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Speaker 4: up in about ten minutes. First, I don't want to

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Speaker 4: make people wait. Unlike the Bengals and Reds, I don't

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Speaker 4: believe in making people wait. So Crystal, I'm tearing.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Crystal gone, Crystal's here is Crystal also calling from the bar?

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Speaker 6: No, now, I'm fortunately Crystal just got off works. He's

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Speaker 6: not at the bar.

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Speaker 3: That's all right, Hi, Crystal, how are you hey?

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Speaker 6: I'm good. Hey. I was just kind of referring back

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Speaker 6: to some things I listened to yesterday. I listened to

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Speaker 6: you guys while I'm working at work from home, and

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 6: so it gives me, you know, a great thing to

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 6: listen to sports. You know, somebody was commenting about how

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01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 6: the Bengals should donate unused season tickets. Let me tell

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Speaker 6: you something. I'm a season ticket holder and for the

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Speaker 6: last four years, Mee and my family have decided to

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Speaker 6: split them and we start paying for those tickets in November.

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Speaker 6: So this November, just next month, we'll have to make

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Speaker 6: the first installment on those season tickets for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 12: So people were.

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Speaker 6: Complaining about having too many blue jerseys in the at

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Speaker 6: the Lions game, It's because season ticket holders were just

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Speaker 6: trying to recoup some of the money we pay. I'm

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Speaker 6: in the lower levels and yes there is a waiting list,

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Speaker 6: and we pay thousands of dollars for that and the

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Speaker 6: parking past every year. So there is no unused season tickets. Okay,

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Speaker 6: to donate them. The Bengals can't just donate them because

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Speaker 6: we've already purchased them.

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Speaker 4: So I have I have heard the criticism of fans

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Speaker 4: who have sold their tickets to Lions fans. And have

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Speaker 4: you ever sold tickets like on stub hub or sea geek.

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Speaker 3: Or something like that.

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Speaker 12: No, we do not do that.

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Speaker 6: We we keep them within the family and friends for

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Speaker 6: the price that we pay, and we sure we've never

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Speaker 6: sold them to opposing team fans.

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Speaker 3: All right, So, but but here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Like I've listed tickets before on stub Hub and sea geek,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't say that the sale can only go to

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Speaker 4: a fan of of the home team.

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Speaker 3: You don't get that option.

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Speaker 4: So my guess is most people, most Bengals fans, if

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Speaker 4: they decided to not go to the game because either

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Speaker 4: they didn't want to go, or something came up, or

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Speaker 4: they don't think they're gonna whatever it is, and they

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Speaker 4: put them on the secondary market, they don't get the

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Speaker 4: option that if a Lions fan wants to buy them,

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Speaker 4: the seats don't get sold.

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Speaker 3: And so I mean, number one, you bought the tickets,

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Speaker 3: you own the tickets.

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Speaker 4: You get to do whatever you want with and that's

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Speaker 4: the cool thing about ownership, right when you own something,

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Speaker 4: you get to do whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: I have seen this credit.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard anybody say that the Bengals should donate

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Speaker 4: the tickets. The season is sold out, so what are

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Speaker 4: they gonna donate. But if you're a fan and you

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Speaker 4: decide you don't want to go number one, far be

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Speaker 4: it from me or anybody else to say that you

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Speaker 4: shouldn't get top dollar for those tickets. But if you

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Speaker 4: put them online, anybody could buy them. There's no filter

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Speaker 4: that says, well, if you're a Lions fan, you can't

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Speaker 4: buy the tickets. And so I think such criticism Crystal

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Speaker 4: is very very misguided, exactly.

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Speaker 6: And the thing is mess fans. I'm you know, if

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Speaker 6: you depending on how long you've been a season ticket holder,

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Speaker 6: you're you're not paying what Ticketmaster prices anyway. So they

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Speaker 6: were just trying trying to recruit some of their money,

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Speaker 6: you know. And now that we have Joe Flacco, and

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Speaker 6: we have Joe with the two, so maybe just maybe

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Speaker 6: we'll have some more orange and black in the sands.

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Speaker 6: I hope, I hope. And you have Smiley concerned about

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Speaker 6: having Joe Flackenbear's Are is our coaching staff equipped to

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Speaker 6: coach someone like him?

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Speaker 3: Great? Question? Is like that you know?

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Speaker 4: To me, the red flag about this season went up

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Speaker 4: the first game of the year, when Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 4: still healthy and the coaches went along with the game

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 4: plan that basically said to the Cleveland Browns, it's okay

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Speaker 4: if you take away our top two wide receivers. I

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01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 4: think it is completely reasonable to have doubts about the

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01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 4: Bengals coaching the Bengals coaching staff coaching up any QB,

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Speaker 4: whether it's a guy who has a lot of experience

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Speaker 4: like Joe Flacco or anybody else.

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Speaker 6: Correct, correct, But it's like, you know, we have some

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Speaker 6: hope and maybe maybe with his veteran status, I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll bring respect to the coaching room and

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Speaker 6: to the locker room. I think the guys will respect him.

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Speaker 6: I think maybe some structure in some hard conversations might

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Speaker 6: be had. I think right now we're just we're just

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Speaker 6: got a bunchet kids doing whatever they want. Like I don't,

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Speaker 6: I just don't feel like when you look at the

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Speaker 6: field and the play, we don't have any structure. There's nothing.

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Speaker 6: There's nobody getting yelled at in the locker room. Nobody's

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Speaker 6: saying what are you doing? We pay you to do this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, it feels like Crystal, I can't thank you enough

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Speaker 4: for the phone call. It feels like lack of structure.

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Speaker 4: It feels like like lack of leadership. It it feels

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Speaker 4: like a very poorly coached team and a poorly put

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Speaker 4: together roster. I don't know that Joe Flacco can fix

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Speaker 4: most of those things, but I do think you can

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Speaker 4: upgrade the quarterback play on the composition of the crowd

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Speaker 4: on side day. You may disagree. I think the Bengals

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01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,839
Speaker 4: could have been four and oh with Joe Burrow healthy,

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Speaker 4: and there would have been a ton of Lions fans there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not quite as many, but I'm willing to bet

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Speaker 4: pretty damn close. Look, the Lions are good, really good.

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Speaker 4: Their fans are feeling it. When your team is good,

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01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 4: you want to go watch it at any chance you get. Plus,

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01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 4: the harder it is to get tickets at home, so

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 4: the more likely you are to go on the road,

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Speaker 4: especially if you live pretty.

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Speaker 3: Close to the city they're traveling too.

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Speaker 4: I think you had a few things early in the season,

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Speaker 4: so you know the you know the game's going to

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01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 4: be played in pretty good weather. It's not going to

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Speaker 4: be frigid. It's a city the Lions visit every eight years.

1490
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Speaker 4: Like I like to go to road games, I go

1491
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Speaker 4: see the Bengals play once a year on the road.

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Speaker 4: I love going to the NFC cities because I'm only

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: going to get that opportunity for the most part, every

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Speaker 4: eight years. You have a good team, a fan base

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Speaker 4: that's feeling it. Four hour drive from Detroit, obviously other

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Speaker 4: parts of Michigan a little bit further, Like, I think

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Speaker 4: that game that was the most expensive regular season ticket

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Speaker 4: the Bengals have ever sold. It was an in demand

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Speaker 4: ticket because of the two teams involved, because of the

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Speaker 4: proximity of Detroit to Cincinnati. So I don't think the

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Speaker 4: number of Lions fans is solely attributed to the Bengals

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Speaker 4: falling on hard times and fans giving up. I think

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Speaker 4: those Detroit fans were coming no matter what. We were

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Speaker 4: down there on Sunday doing the pregame show, and I

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Speaker 4: walked up and down Freedomway for a while before we

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 4: went into the place we do the pregame show. From

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Speaker 4: being responsible here, and I talked to Detroit fans, and

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 4: what I was curious is like, where'd you watch the

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 4: Tigers the night before? Or would you watch Michigan or

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Speaker 4: Michigan State whoever? And every fan that I talked to

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Speaker 4: they had been planning this trip for months, like as

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Speaker 4: soon as the schedule came out, all right in early

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Speaker 4: October Cincinnati Burrow Golf, great game, I'm going I don't

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Speaker 4: think most of those people made the last minute decision

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Speaker 4: to come to Cincinnati. And so if the big takeaway

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Speaker 4: was Bengals fans bolted and sold their tickets to Lions

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Speaker 4: fans because they're bad fans, three things about that. One,

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 4: those Lions fans were coming no matter what. Two, stop

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 4: worrying about what other people do with their money. Number Three,

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Speaker 4: most probably sold them online. And if you've ever bought

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Speaker 4: tickets on stub hub er sikiek, it doesn't say are

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Speaker 4: you a Bengals fan?

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Speaker 3: Doesn't do that.

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Speaker 4: So I was more concerned with how the team played

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01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 4: than I was who was in the stands. And the

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01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 4: team's play does not get excused by who was in

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01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 4: the stands. You'll hear Scott Saderfield next we're at Oakley

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Speaker 4: He is six away from five CESPN fifteen thirty. We're

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Speaker 4: broadcasting from Oakley Greens today. All the sports, all the time,

1543
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 4: all in Oakley Greens. If you're just getting off work,

1544
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 4: you can celebrate happy hour or in some cases, unhappy

1545
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 4: hour at Oakley Green. Scott Sadderfield not unhappy right now.

1546
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 4: His team has won four straight games, getting set to

1547
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 4: host UCF on Saturday at noon He talked earlier today

1548
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 4: with the assembled local college football media and discussed keeping

1549
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 4: his team focus after back to back big, emotional, close victories.

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 14: When you start a season, obviously the first two three weeks,

1551
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 14: you're you're excited. Everybody's gonna play hard, You're gonna be focused,

1552
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 14: you know. I think once you get into about the

1553
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 14: middle of the season, about the meat of the season.

1554
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 14: You know, ever, how you're playing, you feel like, oh man,

1555
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 14: you just showing back up. You're showing back up. It's

1556
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 14: human nature. But when you get to this point, it's

1557
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 14: the teams that can show up each and every week,

1558
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 14: because if you don't show up in this league, you're

1559
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 14: gonna get beat.

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Speaker 3: We've seen that.

1561
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 14: And and but it's showing up on a on a Tuesday,

1562
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 14: you know, like today, and for practice and making this

1563
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 14: our very best practice we can possibly make.

1564
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 3: You have to have that mindset each and every day

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 3: to bring it. You can't relax.

1566
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 14: As soon as you relax, somebody's getting better than you.

1567
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 14: Somebody's gonna beat you. And so you got to continue

1568
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 14: to train with the chip on your shoulder that you

1569
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 14: have something to prove. And that's the challenge. I mean,

1570
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 14: that is the challenge, you know, I think, but you know,

1571
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 14: I also think you go back and play here or

1572
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 14: play there. We're sitting here at oh and two in

1573
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 14: the league, and then and how you're gonna come and up,

1574
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 14: you know, I think I just think about that. I mean,

1575
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 14: we've been the last couple of years, we've been on

1576
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 14: the other side of that, and so for us to

1577
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 14: be here at this point, man, we got to show

1578
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 14: up and it's the day and he's a very very

1579
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 14: best practice that we've had.

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Speaker 12: There.

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Speaker 4: You go Scott Sadenfield earlier today. Look, they've played really well,

1582
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 4: really well. I think they played better on Saturday against

1583
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 4: Iowa State than the final margin of victory would indicate.

1584
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 4: I thought the officiating I put on social media during

1585
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 4: that game. I've been on that app for sixteen years,

1586
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 4: which I'm not sure how proud I am in that.

1587
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 4: I think I've maybe sent twenty tweets in that entire

1588
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,799
Speaker 4: time of that officiating. Umpiring dude on Saturday. It was dreadful,

1589
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: But this team was five and two through seven games

1590
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 4: last year and it kind of felt like things had

1591
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 4: turned and then things totally fell apart lost their last

1592
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 4: five games. I do think this team is better this season,

1593
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 4: but I could certainly understand any apprehension based on how

1594
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 4: last year went after we thought they had kind of

1595
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 4: arrived through those first seven games. One of the reasons

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 4: why I think I think this team's got a shot

1597
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 4: to still have a very good year after the four

1598
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 4: and one start is the offensive line. Here's Scott Sadafield

1599
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 4: talking about O line coach Nick Cardwell and his guys.

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Speaker 14: Coach car Well's very passionate coach. He he doesn't do

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01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 14: anything halfway. I mean, he's he's one hundred miles an

1602
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 14: hour all the time. You know, He's a guy you

1603
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 14: have to say woe instead of go, which I love,

1604
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 14: you know. And I think Gavin is maybe the best

1605
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 14: leader I've ever been around. Three time captain, been here,

1606
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 14: you know, six years. He committed out of high school

1607
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 14: his sophomore year, so he loves this place. And anytime

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01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 14: you have your guy that loves the place that much

1609
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 14: and is also one of your best players, who is

1610
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 14: one of your the best leader, that's what you want.

1611
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 3: That's the recipe for success.

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01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 14: And so not only is Gavin the best leader on

1613
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 14: our team, but obviously with that offensive line, he makes

1614
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 14: them all do right you know, we brought into a

1615
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 14: couple of transfers and they slid right in and then

1616
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 14: Gavin what we got to do now, you know, And

1617
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 14: it's like every day it's that way. And he's just

1618
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 14: led that group as the highest possible way to lead

1619
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 14: and and I think coach Carwell has been locking step

1620
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 14: with him as well in the same way. They take

1621
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 14: a lot of pride in everything that they do. And

1622
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 14: we all know offensive linemen they don't really get to

1623
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 14: touch the ball, they don't score touchdowns, they don't get

1624
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 14: the big time accolades. But if the offenses having success,

1625
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 14: then they get to have reaped some of those.

1626
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 3: And that's what's happening. Our offense has been really doing well.

1627
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 14: You know, we're running the football, we're throwing it, we're

1628
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 14: scoring points. And I'm glad to see that our offensive

1629
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 14: line is getting a recognition that they've gotten because I

1630
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 14: do think they've been playing really well.

1631
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 3: They're playing physical.

1632
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 14: They take pride in not giving up any kind of

1633
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 14: you know, pressures or tackles for loss. That's what they're

1634
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 14: hanging their hat on, and that's really great to see.

1635
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 4: Scott's had Afield earlier today talking about his offensive line

1636
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 4: and his team, which is it feels like the program

1637
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 4: is turning the corner.

1638
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 3: They're not there yet.

1639
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 4: They could take care of business against UCF, get the

1640
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 4: five wins, and then I think we start to talk

1641
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 4: about the Big twelve race. We will see more tonight.

1642
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 4: Scott Satdafields radio show is at eight o'clock on seven

1643
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 4: hundred w wel WD. Bengals have a new quarterback. We'll

1644
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 4: talk about him. Plus take your phone calls and Sean

1645
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 4: sayet Statson's Scheme podcast. We're at Oakley Greens coming up

1646
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 4: on five o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Hear that that's Mike.

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Speaker 1: You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: That's this, that's us, that's his how us off to

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Speaker 3: a good start?

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Speaker 15: Now?

1652
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 6: Infit?

1653
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 3: What's up? That's us?

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01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 4: It's five minutes after five o'clock ESPN fifteen thirty on

1655
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Speaker 4: mooweg or. We are broadcasting from Oakley Greens where it

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Speaker 4: is the bud Light five o'clock Happy Hour.

1657
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 3: Thanks to our friends at bud Light, Easy to drink,

1658
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Speaker 3: easy to enjoy. They got bud Light here.

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01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 4: I might drink it all like today, but by six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 4: We're at Oakley Greens. All the sports, all the time,

1662
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 4: all at Oakley Greens. We're undercover. You know, it's like

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01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 4: one of those days where it's kind of cloudy out

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01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 4: but it's not cold. But you don't want to be

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01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 4: like out. You don't want to get rained on, but

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 4: you want to be outside. So we're undercover. We got

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Speaker 4: a indoor bar. We got some folks enjoined like it

1668
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 4: looks like they're gathered for the last supper at that table,

1669
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 4: having a happy hour of sorts and maybe they're getting

1670
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 4: Maybe they're here to watch the baseball playoffs. The tarp

1671
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 4: has been on the field in Detroit all afternoon. May

1672
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 4: play Game three tonight, Tigers and Mariners. That's been a

1673
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 4: good series, two good games, tied at a game apiece.

1674
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 4: They're gonna play in New York tonight as well. Yankees

1675
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: and Blue Jay's. I don't know if it's raining there.

1676
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 4: Yankees trying to avoid elimination. You can watch those games.

1677
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 4: You got all the college football games coming up this weekend,

1678
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 4: Bengals and Packers. You can rent a cabana with your friends,

1679
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 4: You could bring your kids. You can play cornhole, you

1680
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 4: could play mini golf Bengo coming up on Thursday, right,

1681
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 4: You can't beat that family feud style trivia tomorrow at

1682
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 4: seven o'clock any day of the week, they got something

1683
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 4: cool happening here at Oakley Greens. We thank them hosting

1684
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 4: us each and every Tuesday. I'll start the hour by

1685
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 4: stating the obvious Joe Flacco has been acquired by the Bengals,

1686
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 4: the well trapped, we go, well traveled, well traveled by

1687
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 4: now Joe Flacco super Bowl MVP. Uh, but here's a

1688
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 4: piece of trivia for you. Second Super Bowl MVP the

1689
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Speaker 4: Bengals have ever acquired. Does Drew wester Heide, my producer

1690
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 4: on site, know who the other one is?

1691
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely Dexter Jackson, who.

1692
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 4: Played three years for the Bengals and wasn't very good. This,

1693
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 4: I think is the first time in the history of

1694
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 4: the NFL where the two most recent comeback players of

1695
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 4: the year are employed by the same team. Joe Burrow

1696
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 4: won it last year, Joe Flacco won it two years ago.

1697
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 3: So you have that.

1698
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 4: You can you can impress your friends with that the

1699
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 4: next time you come to Oakley Greens. More than anything,

1700
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 4: surprising Bengals and Browns make a trade of all the

1701
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,440
Speaker 4: different trade possibilities that have been discussed, or quarterback possibilities

1702
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 4: that have been discussed, I would be honest with you.

1703
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 4: I can't recall anybody suggesting the Bengals trade for Joe Flacco.

1704
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: They have.

1705
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 4: And so the idea, I guess, is for him to

1706
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 4: play on Sunday against the Packers, who he just played

1707
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 4: against a few weeks ago. By the way, the Browns

1708
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 4: won that game. I'm sure Joe Flacco was very good

1709
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 4: in it, but they won that game, and so it's

1710
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 4: it's interesting. You know, we've said on this show since

1711
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 4: we started it eighteen years ago, be good or be interesting,

1712
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 4: ideally be both. You gotta be one. I don't know

1713
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 4: how good this is gonna be, but I do think

1714
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 4: it's interesting. And danger was here in the first hour

1715
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 4: of the show. Bengals are desperate. Like the meal ticket

1716
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 4: got hurt, We're still at best two and a half

1717
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,879
Speaker 4: months away from him coming back. The guy who replaced

1718
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 4: him was totally ineffective. Inept is what I would use,

1719
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 4: and so they're desperate. I equated it to sometimes our

1720
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 4: sales staff will have meetings on Monday mornings and they

1721
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 4: will have pastries donuts get there early in the morning,

1722
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 4: but I'll get there late morning, and sometimes there are

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01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 4: leftover donuts. They're never the good ones. They're they're always

1724
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 4: like there's always a jelly donut there, because who likes

1725
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 4: jelly donuts where there's like a coconut blaze thing, which

1726
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 4: is weird, like the donut Like, I don't like those

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01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 4: fancy donut places where they go create anyway, Here's a

1728
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: donut with like twelve different flavors. Here's a butter pecan, chocolate, peanut,

1729
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 4: buttered shit with raspberry, Like, just give me a glazed donut.

1730
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 3: I show up.

1731
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: It's like coconut. Then there's like a half eaten donut.

1732
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 4: And then there's someone that you could tell like maybe

1733
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 4: someone took a bite of and you're just like, well,

1734
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm really hungry. See you take a bad donut. That's

1735
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 4: what looking for a quarterback, a starting quarterback week five

1736
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,919
Speaker 4: is like, it's sifting through a bunch of bad options.

1737
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 4: I'm not here to tell you Joe Flacco is the

1738
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 4: best option. I am here to tell you a number one.

1739
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 4: He's a better option than Jake Browning pretty much, any

1740
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 4: leave any living breathing human is and number two I

1741
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,839
Speaker 4: think he brings attributes. The first one is quick study.

1742
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 4: In fact, it might be the only positive attribute. But

1743
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 4: quick study can pick up this offense, which, let's be honest,

1744
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 4: doesn't look like it's that complex, can pick it up

1745
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 4: pretty quickly.

1746
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 3: He's done this before.

1747
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 4: It's not an apples to apples comparison, but picked up

1748
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 4: that Brown's offense within like two weeks two years ago

1749
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 4: and played at a pretty decent level. So I'm looking

1750
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 4: for somebody who could be a quick study. I'm looking

1751
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 4: for somebody who can do the obvious. If Jamar Chase

1752
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 4: is open, at least choose to throw him the ball.

1753
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 4: It might not get there, it might get picked off.

1754
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 4: But if there's been to me at least one constant

1755
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 4: over these three games that Jake Browning has started in,

1756
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 4: two of which I've been to in person, it's seeing

1757
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase and others. But Jamar Chase be open and

1758
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 4: Jake not even try to throw him the ball, I

1759
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 4: would like to think that at the very least Joe

1760
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 4: Flacco can learn the offense quickly and if he sees

1761
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 4: an open Jamar Chase, he'll choose to throw him the ball.

1762
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 3: Start there.

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01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: I would like to think.

1765
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 4: I've watched Jake Browning in these last three weeks, and

1766
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 4: he looks like somebody who while he might know the offense,

1767
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 4: it looks like he has no idea what opposing defenses

1768
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 4: are doing. He doesn't know how to read a safety

1769
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 4: or a Mike linebacker, doesn't know how to read a blitz,

1770
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 4: doesn't know how to diagnose stuff. Part of that just

1771
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 4: might be raw inexperience. Part of that might be awful

1772
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 4: coaching and preparation. Maybe the light bulb is never going

1773
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 4: to come on for Jake Browning. With Joe Flacco. There

1774
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 4: is nothing after eighteen seasons. I guess this is year eighteen.

1775
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 4: There is nothing after seventeen plus seasons that the Green

1776
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 4: Bay Packers of the Pittsburgh Steelers or anybody else will

1777
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 4: do that he hasn't seen, so I view it from

1778
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 4: that perspective. It's not ideal. They're sifting through the bad donuts.

1779
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 4: This is one of the better ones. There are some attributes.

1780
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 3: Now.

1781
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 4: The marriage of bad offensive line and totally immobile quarterback

1782
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 4: means it's a pretty damn good chance this isn't gonna work.

1783
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 4: I'm the first to admit that but all right, the

1784
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 4: Bengals have a bad offensive line that's gonna be a

1785
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 4: liability no matter who the QB is. I will take

1786
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 4: the experience and the quick study and the smarts and

1787
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 4: hope that we can figure out a way to live

1788
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 4: with the subpar offensive line play meshing with his lack

1789
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 4: of mobility. We will I'm trying to get this thing

1790
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 4: to mid December. I'm trying to win one of the

1791
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 4: next two games and then have the schedule ease up

1792
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 4: a little bit. I admit to you, this sounds like

1793
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 4: a dicey proposition. I think you're out of your mind

1794
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 4: if you're betting on the Bengals winning the division with

1795
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 4: Joe Flack, who is QB. I do not think this

1796
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 4: team can get to the postseason because I don't think

1797
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 4: the roster is good enough. But I don't think the

1798
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 4: Bengals front office can view it that way. I think

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01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 4: you've got to try something. And if you're gonna try something,

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01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 4: try experience, try intelligence, try quick study. Try somebody who

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01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 4: could use everything that he has learned and experienced throughout

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01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 4: a nearly two decade NFL career and see if he

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01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 4: can apply it to this offense and at least keep

1804
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 4: them afloat for a while. I will be totally unsurprised

1805
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 4: if this blows up. I would be totally unsurprised if

1806
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 4: it blew up and didn't work with any number of

1807
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 4: backup quarterbacks. Joe Flacco wasn't starting for a lot of reasons.

1808
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco was available for a lot of reasons. Anybody

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01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 4: you would have acquired. You could talk about why it's

1810
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 4: not gonna work with Joe Flacco. I can see how

1811
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 4: it might. Not necessarily sure that it will, but I

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01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 4: can see how it might thirteen minutes after five o'clock.

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01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 3: And so you know where they go from here.

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01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 4: There. I focus on the roster, I think more than

1815
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 4: some do. The team as a whole is going to

1816
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 4: have to play at a level that it hasn't yet.

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01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 4: They have fallen behind forty eight three, twenty eight three,

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01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 4: and twenty eight three in large part because of bad

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01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 4: quarterback play.

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01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: That's not the only reason the coaching has been atrocious.

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01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 4: The inability to get anything out of the running game

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01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 4: is an organizational mess. The defense isn't good when it

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01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 4: needs to be. It maybe hasn't been as atrocious as

1824
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 4: it was last year. Hasn't exactly been great. You're rooting

1825
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 4: for a lot of things to happen very very quickly,

1826
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 4: but at least you are starting fresh at the game's

1827
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 4: most important position, because there was no way in hell

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01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 4: that you could have tried to maintain any credibility and

1829
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 4: not do something at QB fourteen minutes after five o'clock.

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01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 4: We have Ron, we have Mike, we have room for

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01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 4: you at five point three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: We'll get to as many as we can between now

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Speaker 4: and block. It is Tuesday, which means not only are

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01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 4: we at Oakley Greens, but we also spend time chatting

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01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 4: with our guy, Sean Sayed from sumer sports dot Com

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01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 4: and the stats since Scheme Newsletter will get his thoughts

1837
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 4: on Joe Flaco the Bengals, which I still can't believe

1838
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 4: is happening. Maybe we'll ask him what his favorite donut is.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 4: A lot to get to between now and six here

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Speaker 4: Brain at sumer sports dot com is going to help

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Speaker 4: you out. We're gonna ask Sean about that and he'll

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01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 4: make it make more sense than I just did. But

1869
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 4: can you believe that you and I are going to

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01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 4: have a conversation about Joe Flacco playing quarterback for the

1871
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 4: Bengals on Sunday?

1872
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 7: So you think you're gonna play Sunday?

1873
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 3: I do?

1874
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he better started learning stuff real, real quick.

1875
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 7: And there's not really a whole lot of time, but

1876
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 7: it feels like, I mean, you have to make some

1877
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 7: sort of move, right, we'll.

1878
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 12: Talk about home, see what's going on or in.

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01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 7: That Bengals game against the Lions, just some of those

1880
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 7: kind of toss ups in the air, unfortunately for Jake Browning.

1881
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 12: And it's tough because.

1882
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 7: Jake Browning was came into the season as like a pretty.

1883
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 12: Good backup quarterback. So it goes to show you what

1884
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 12: it looks like when you really lose your starter.

1885
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 7: And Mo, I'm thinking about the Bengals calling up these

1886
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,560
Speaker 7: teams and being like, oh, can you like, what do

1887
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 7: you want for James Winston or what do you want

1888
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 7: for Karen McKee and then just being like, Gi, give

1889
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 7: us the first round pick, and it's like, all right, well,

1890
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 7: the Bengals aren't going to be able to do that.

1891
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 12: So when I look at some of the data.

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01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 7: When I watched some of the films, is Joe Flacco

1893
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 7: some massive improvement over Jake Browning. I'm not exactly sure

1894
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 7: if I'm excited to say that, but hey, catch the ball,

1895
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 7: throw for let's get Jason Higgens running under them.

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Speaker 4: So when you watched and we you know, we saw

1897
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco play against the Bengals week one. When you

1898
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 4: when you watched him in Cleveland, it's well established what

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01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 4: he is. He's a guy who throw a pick. He's

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01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 4: a guy who's been around forever. He's a guy who

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01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 4: cannot move. What else beyond the obvious did you see

1902
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 4: when you watched him in Cleveland?

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01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 12: And you can definitely pressure him and call and cause

1904
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 12: some issues. I think that is a big thing.

1905
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 7: Obviously he's not the most mobile quarterback in the world.

1906
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 7: So I think you can, you know, create just some

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01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 7: issues kind of on the edges. You can get that

1908
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 7: pocket push inside. I mean, he still throws a decent ball,

1909
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 7: Like I don't want to take that away from him.

1910
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 7: So again, I feel like the ceiling probably isn't like

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01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 7: crazy high. I think you're just betting that you're getting

1912
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 7: like a certain floor where you're able to get in

1913
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 7: and out of a game without Jamar Chase having to

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01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 7: have three tackles on interceptions.

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01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 4: When you watch Jake Browning, was it simply a matter

1916
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 4: of inept quarterback play or did the coaches simply not

1917
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 4: do him any favors?

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Speaker 7: No, it's I think it's a combination of things. I

1919
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 7: don't want to pin this specific one as like, oh,

1920
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 7: the coaches could have done like these three hundred different

1921
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 7: things really really improve things for the offense. At some level,

1922
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 7: it's going to be decision making. At another level, it's

1923
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 7: going to be like literally, when you make a throw,

1924
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 7: where did the ball end up and if like on

1925
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 7: a vertical route to the outside, and maybe it could

1926
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 7: be a miscommunication between the receiver and the quarterback. I

1927
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 7: don't ever want to remove that from possibility. But when

1928
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 7: that throw now is forcing the receiver to drift in

1929
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 7: and you have two lions that are able to kind

1930
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 7: of just fair catch that and really those guys are

1931
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 7: at a point where they're fighting over the interception because

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01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 7: it's going to so clearly end up in Lions hands.

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Speaker 7: You know, those situations I think get a little bit tough.

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Speaker 7: At the same time, you know, with the Bengals, right,

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Speaker 7: you know, he's gonna wan want to run Jamar Chase

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Speaker 7: on those underneath kind of crossing type of routes, So

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Speaker 7: defenses can kind of sit on those, and I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, when you have Burrow in there, he's able

1939
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Speaker 7: to sort of get through everything move on to the

1940
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Speaker 7: next step. But I think when you have your backup

1941
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Speaker 7: in there, sometimes it's a little bit more of like, Okay,

1942
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Speaker 7: well this is the initial design of the play we

1943
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 7: have to be able to get to that. So I'm

1944
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 7: not that the coaching staff should ever be free of

1945
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 7: blame by any means, but I think when you look

1946
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 7: at it, when you look at the Bengals really kind

1947
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,560
Speaker 7: of made a pretty quick decision. I think after this

1948
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 7: game to potentially move on from Browning again. I mean,

1949
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 7: I have the joke and learn the whole entire playbook

1950
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Speaker 7: as quick as he's able to get to Cincinnati.

1951
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Speaker 12: I know it's not going to be too long. Of

1952
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 12: a flight for him or drive perhaps instead.

1953
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Speaker 7: So yeah, this one it did feel like, all right, well,

1954
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 7: we're now at the point where I mean, we can't

1955
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Speaker 7: field like a competent offense the way that we're still going.

1956
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Speaker 4: If I gave you your pick of all the quarterback possibilities,

1957
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Speaker 4: right backups, street free agents, dudes that they would have

1958
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 4: been able to acquire to replace Jake Browning, who would

1959
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 4: have been your first choice.

1960
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Speaker 7: He Kenna Rakeet from the Eagle, So I do think

1961
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 7: that would have been like an extensive price. I think

1962
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 7: he might have some injury issues as well, but he's

1963
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Speaker 7: been I think a competent backup. I think can be

1964
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Speaker 7: a quarterback that could absolutely start for a.

1965
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Speaker 12: Team in this league.

1966
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 7: Jamas Winston was like the one in my head where

1967
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 7: it's like, all right, this guy is going to throw

1968
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 7: the ball deep down the field, like you don't have

1969
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 7: to fight with me on that. He's gonna do that.

1970
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Speaker 12: He's gonna have ups, he's gonna have downs. That was

1971
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 12: another one.

1972
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Speaker 7: Now look what I love giving us a bunch of

1973
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 7: draft capital for Russell Wilson.

1974
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 12: No, I wouldn't.

1975
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 7: Like, that's not going to make me feel like, hey,

1976
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:13,879
Speaker 7: this team is going to be a super Bowl contender.

1977
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 7: But I mean between those three options, it's ok, right, Well,

1978
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 7: I want to know what maybe what the.

1979
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 12: Prices work for those players, because.

1980
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 7: Again you know, when you're you're making this move for

1981
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 7: Joe Flacow, I don't want it to see him like

1982
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 7: what I mean the capital that you have to give

1983
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:28,600
Speaker 7: up is is it's not nothing like obviously it is

1984
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 7: like a later pick slop. You're still giving up value

1985
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 7: there and then to think what you get from him. Look,

1986
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 7: no one wants this to be a good move more

1987
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 7: than me because I love.

1988
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Speaker 15: Talking to you.

1989
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 12: It would be so much more fun if we could

1990
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 12: come in next the day and be like, look, everyone,

1991
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 12: Joe flack out proves everyone wrong.

1992
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,560
Speaker 7: Like, don't listen to his day if he doesn't know

1993
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Speaker 7: what he's saying, because it would be a lot better

1994
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 7: Joe Flacko succeeding in Cincinnati.

1995
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Speaker 4: Sean Saide is with this sumer sports dot com and

1996
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Speaker 4: what are the authors of these stats and schemes newsletter

1997
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Speaker 4: the Green Bay Pass. Two weeks ago, it felt like

1998
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 4: we were putting him in the super Bowl. Since then,

1999
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 4: they've lost to Joe Flacco and the Browns and let

2000
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 4: the Cowboys hang forty on him in a tie. How

2001
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 4: much more difficult will they make an already difficult task

2002
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 4: for the Bengals on Sunday?

2003
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Speaker 7: And look in Green Bay, like you mentioned, lost to

2004
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 7: the Browns. Maybe Joe Flatfo's got that matgic that's what

2005
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 7: he's ringing over there. I think when when I look

2006
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 7: at the Packers, who look, I have said some irresponsible

2007
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 7: things about how I think, how good I think the

2008
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 7: Packers are. And as you mentioned that that game against

2009
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 7: the Cowboys, their secondary struggled with punt So that I

2010
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 7: think is an issue where you're hoping that you can

2011
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 7: get creative down the field attacking in the past game.

2012
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 7: Do you think that's the way you can beat these

2013
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 7: Packers when their pass rutch isn't able to get after you.

2014
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Speaker 7: So that's gonna be a big one.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 7: On the offensive end, I actually think. I mean, we

2017
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 7: still see I'm glad we still see Trey Henderson making

2018
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 7: so many plays like he's not quitting, right, He's not stopping,

2019
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 7: not playing this game as absolutely as hard as he can.

2020
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 7: Pack's offensive, why, I think, has some holes in it

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01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 7: where you can attack them a little bit. Their offensive

2022
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 7: structure overall, it's a little volatile in that. I mean

2023
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 7: sometimes they're getting on like fifty yards their new yard, say,

2024
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 7: there is that kind of explosive streak to them that

2025
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 7: can run colds a little bit. So I feel a

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01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 7: little bit better about this matchup. I think then a

2027
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 7: few weeks ago, I don't think that, you know, the

2028
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 7: Bengals defense is necessarily going to be able to do

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01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 7: the same things as the Brown defense. But from Tran

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01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 7: Anderson should be able to get pressure on the offensive end,

2031
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 7: you should be able to beat their corners on the outside.

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Speaker 7: I think it might just feel a little concerning if

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Speaker 7: the Packers are really able to kind of create pressure

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Speaker 7: up the middle in that you know, when you get

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Speaker 7: into those kind of third and past type situations.

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Speaker 7: So look, I have to subscribe to like seven different

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Speaker 12: Right, actually, like look it up. I have to go here,

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Speaker 12: I have to go there.

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Speaker 12: Literally just type in your question.

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Speaker 7: You can say, how is Joe Burrow against man coverage?

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Speaker 7: You can say how is Jamar Chase on third downs

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Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter against zone coverage? Like you just

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Speaker 7: type it out and that Like, I've done a lot

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Speaker 7: of work in terms of testing it, trying to break it.

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Speaker 7: We're in our beta period, so yeah, there's going to

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Speaker 7: be some issues that pop up. But if you want

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Speaker 7: to answer a question that you know comes up during

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Speaker 7: the game and you're saying, all right, well, how has

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Speaker 7: this player done so far this season? If you want

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Speaker 7: to look at Joe Flaco's numbers against pressure, I do

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Speaker 7: not recommend.

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Speaker 12: You look at those, but you actually can do that.

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Speaker 7: It's really every single data point that you can think of,

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Speaker 7: have to click through and filter through eight different things.

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Speaker 7: Sing a fun question, try and break it. We've had

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Speaker 7: some fun with people asking some really hard questions. It's

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Speaker 7: going to continue to improve it. I think it's going

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Speaker 7: to save people time. That's the only reason why I

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Speaker 7: feel like I'm uncomfortable kind of talking about it. It's

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Speaker 7: been fun to work on.

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Speaker 12: I think it's going to be fun going forward.

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Speaker 4: My time is valuable, so anything that saves me time

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Speaker 4: being depressed about the Bengals, I am much appreciative of.

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Speaker 15: I look, I think it's gonna be a good thing

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Speaker 15: for ex After that, right, you can now look at

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Speaker 15: whether it's some player that find your fantasy football team

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Speaker 15: that you want to see their yards per outrun against

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Speaker 15: the certainty you absolutely are gonna be able to look

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Speaker 15: that up.

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Speaker 4: Bengals plan on him being the QB. The Bengals haven't

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Speaker 4: made that announcement, but they have made an official They

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Speaker 4: have acquired Joe Flacco from the Browns along with a

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Speaker 4: six round draft choice next year in exchange for a

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six fifth round draft choice. Flacco is in

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Speaker 4: his eighteen season, played against the Bengals Week one, when

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati beat the Browns. Brett Ribbon has been released, Mike

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Speaker 4: White has been released. Howard Cross resigned to the practice squad.

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Speaker 4: in Detroit and the game three of the American League

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Speaker 4: Division Series. Mariners and Tigers tied at a game apiece.

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Speaker 4: This game started two and a half hours late Top

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Speaker 4: one in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: That game is scoreless.

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Speaker 4: Tonight in the Bronx, it's Game three between the Yankees

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Speaker 4: and Blue Jays Toronto, with a two nothing series lead

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Speaker 4: in that one. Pretty much all I got for sports headlines.

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Speaker 4: Let's see here, Ron and Milford. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Ron,

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Speaker 4: good afternoon, how are you?

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Speaker 12: I am? Okay? Though I wanted to talk about the

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Speaker 12: Flacco but I had a quick thing because you brought

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Speaker 12: it up that I'm sure you were at the Bearcats

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Speaker 12: game on Saturday. I was watching from home, and the

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Speaker 12: announcers thought, and I thought as well, that the rest

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Speaker 12: wanted but obviously wanted to be part of the show.

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Speaker 12: Since every call was a penalty, I thought.

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Speaker 3: I thought two of the calls were egregiously bad.

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Speaker 4: The other ones fine their penalties, they should be flagged,

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Speaker 4: no issue. But I thought the the pass interference call

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Speaker 4: at the end of the first half, which gave I

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Speaker 4: was stayed in on Timtown was a terrible call.

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Speaker 3: The wide receiver was the wide receiver was.

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Speaker 4: Running down the field grabbing Matthew mcdoom's face mask. How

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Speaker 4: that turns into pass interference against the defending player, I

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Speaker 4: have no idea. And there was an unnecessary roughness flag

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Speaker 4: on Logan Wilson where he's trying to tackle a receiver

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Speaker 4: and he brings them to the ground, and they said

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Speaker 4: it was, you know, basically excessive because he threw him

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Speaker 4: to the ground. Number one, you know you play through

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Speaker 4: the whistle. Number two, the wide receiver hadn't given himself up.

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Speaker 4: He's still fighting for yardage. So yeah, there were a

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Speaker 4: lot of flags. You know, if they are legitimate calls,

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Speaker 4: fine throw it. In A lot of times I thought

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01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 4: those calls were legit. In those two instances, that flag

2156
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 4: at the end of the first half at least temporarily

2157
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 4: changed the complexion of that game.

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01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 3: Those two, to me were egregious.

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01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:30,520
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was definitely not pass interference.

2160
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Speaker 7: Mo.

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01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 12: You're right, Mo Flacco. I mean, come on now, I mean,

2162
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 12: I think the only guy that can be younger is

2163
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 12: you and me.

2164
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm not younger than Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, you know, you can make an argument against whoever

2166
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,679
Speaker 4: they would have brought in right, Like, for about five minutes,

2167
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 4: the flavor of the week was Russell Wilson. Well, he's

2168
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 4: been bench by three teams in two years, Like with

2169
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 4: that really been that? I mean, I don't know, Give

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Speaker 4: me a guy who can learn the offense and if

2171
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase is open, decide to throw them the ball.

2172
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 4: And that the Unfortunately, the ceiling for any of these

2173
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 4: guys is very, very low, and any team would be

2174
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 4: in the same set of circumstances.

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Speaker 3: You thought you had a backup quarterback who was reliable, he.

2176
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 4: Turned out to be not, and so you're desperate when

2177
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 4: you're desperate, you'll take almost anybody.

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01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what the Pengals are doing.

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01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 12: No, I mean I almost and my friends are are

2181
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 12: in the same page. I know you're the optimist, though

2182
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 12: you probably wouldn't go this route, but we were in

2183
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 12: full tank mode. We wanted to tank and get a

2184
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Speaker 12: top five draft pick so we could get either a

2185
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 12: stud offensive lineman or a stud tap defensive tackle. Although

2186
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 12: with Duke Tobin drafting, we know how that would work.

2187
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:50,639
Speaker 12: Unless it's obvious, like Joe Bow and Jamar Chase, Duke

2188
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 12: Tobin would utterly screw it up.

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01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 3: I get it.

2190
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 4: I think I think tanking sounds great on a Tuesday afternoon.

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01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 4: I don't think tanking works on Sunday. Players care too much,

2192
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 4: coaches care too much. And I don't think you could

2193
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 4: tell Zach Taylor, you know you're on the hot seat,

2194
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 4: but we're gonna tank. Like you know, years and years

2195
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 4: and years ago, Archarll Hawkins.

2196
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 3: Said this to me.

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01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 4: Tanking is easy Monday through Saturday. Tanking isn't easy on Monday,

2198
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 4: and so I think when you have twelve games to go,

2199
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna have a hard time doing that.

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01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 4: I cannot blame them at all for trying to find

2201
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 4: a quarterback who is better and making an attempt to

2202
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 4: keep this thing afloat for a while. And then you

2203
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 4: see what the AFC looks like. The Baltimore Ravens aren't

2204
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 4: very good. The Chiefs just lost their third game last night.

2205
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 4: And again, I'm not here to tell you Bengals are

2206
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 4: going to make the postseason. But it's hard to find

2207
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 4: seven teams that you feel like will still operating under

2208
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 4: the belief, maybe not the assumption, but the belief that

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01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 4: Burrow can come back at some point this season. I

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01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 4: can't blame him at all for trying. I frankly think

2211
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,799
Speaker 4: it would have been they would have taken more abuse

2212
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 4: than they've already gotten had they decided, you know, internally,

2213
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna tank, and so what we're gonna do is

2214
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 4: keep running Jake Browning out there.

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01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 12: Well yeah, I guess so. But next year we'll get

2216
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,679
Speaker 12: Taylor two point two or Taylor two point three, where

2217
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 12: Callahan's back is due to offensive coordinator, which he won't

2218
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 12: be calling plays again either, but he'll be here again

2219
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 12: because you know he's gonna get I mean, I feel like,

2220
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 12: no matter even if the rookie quarterback with the Titans.

2221
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 12: Titans aren't their ownership's not taking this. They got a

2222
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:39,919
Speaker 12: lucky win this past weekend. Callahan ended up three and fourteen,

2223
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 12: and he'll be back here where you can do whatever.

2224
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 3: That doesn't bother me.

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01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 4: I'm uninterested in who the assistants are. I'm more interested

2226
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 4: in who's picking the players, and then you know then

2227
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 4: who the head coaches. And you know, Brian Callahan was

2228
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 4: a net positive here, so him coming back doesn't bother

2229
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 4: But I would rather talk about whether or not he'll

2230
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 4: be he would be even given a chance because of

2231
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 4: the person he'd be working for, and if that makes sense,

2232
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 4: Like I think everybody's up for examination, I think Duke

2233
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 4: Tobin should be more than anybody else because I just

2234
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 4: don't think this roster is good enough.

2235
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 3: And Zach Taylor not being able.

2236
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 4: To figure out how to piece together enough of a

2237
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 4: game plan to make the offense work puts him in

2238
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 4: the crosshairs as well. And again, I don't know that

2239
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco gives him a better chance. I don't think

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco makes some x minent. Nobody would be surprised

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01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 4: if Joe Flacco's terrible nobody would be surprised if he

2242
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 4: gets injured because he's hit so much.

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01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 3: But you had to try something. You could not.

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01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 4: Claim that you're trying to win and give Jake Browning

2245
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 4: another opportunity. He hasn't earned it. He's not good enough,

2246
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 4: he's played poorly. You had to try something. Whoever, and

2247
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 4: whatever something was going to be was gonna be less

2248
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 4: than ideal. They pinned Joe Flacco from a very I'm

2249
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 4: not even sure large, but from a pile of less

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Speaker 4: than ideal candidates.

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Speaker 12: Well, take it easy. I would have gone tank mode,

2252
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 12: like I said, to get Burrow on track for next year.

2253
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 12: Give them better players, because there's only six starters left

2254
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 12: from the Super Bowl. So that just says enough about

2255
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 12: like you said about Duke Tobin and his bad player

2256
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 12: development and player personnel decision six out of twenty two mouth.

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01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's they've turned the roster over extraordinarily poorly.

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01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 3: They haven't replaced so many.

2259
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 4: Chouldobi a Woose was a number one corner, Jesse Bates

2260
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,799
Speaker 4: was the best safety in football.

2261
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 3: Von Bell was very good.

2262
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 4: They haven't replaced those players, Chouldobia, Woozy DJ Reader obviously,

2263
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,720
Speaker 4: like there's been a whole series of guys and the

2264
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 4: offensive line for the Super Bowl team was awful, and

2265
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 4: frankly it hasn't been that much better. Ron, Thanks as always.

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01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 4: I had sixteen away from six o'clock. Five point three

2267
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 4: seven four nine fifteen thirty is our phone number. The

2268
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 4: like the tank thing like it sounds great, here's my thing.

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01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 4: It's one thing if you're tanking for an obvious like

2270
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 4: when the Bengals played the Dolphins December twenty second, I

2271
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 4: believe twenty nineteen and lost that game where they were

2272
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 4: down whatever it was twenty two I think, and nearly

2273
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,680
Speaker 4: came back. And one that is the first time and

2274
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 4: only time in my life that I have actively rooted

2275
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 4: for the Bengals to lose a football game because the

2276
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 4: prize for losing was obvious. It was Joe Burrow. Like,

2277
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 4: we all watched that game and thought it's best for

2278
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 4: this organization to lose this game so they could grab

2279
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 4: that obvious prize. And sure you might have thought at

2280
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 4: the time, take to a tanka Ailoa, dude, they were

2281
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,719
Speaker 4: taking Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert. Dude, they were taking

2282
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow or Chase Young, Dude. They were taking Joe Burrow.

2283
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 3: Beyond that, like tank, I think if you have to tank,

2284
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:04,759
Speaker 3: if you have to tank.

2285
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 4: To improve from what they've been to what they need

2286
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 4: to be, and you have your quarterback, then you don't

2287
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 4: have your personnel. Guy like if if, if the only

2288
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 4: way that Duke Tobin can fix this is to essentially

2289
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 4: essentially intentionally.

2290
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 3: Lose, you got the wrong guy.

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01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 4: I mean I it would would I would tell Duke

2292
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:25,839
Speaker 4: Tobin that, and I would I would tell the Bengals

2293
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 4: front office. And again I I think tanking sounds great

2294
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 4: as a strategy. Uh, the players care too much, the

2295
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 4: coaches player care too much. The schedule is crappy enough,

2296
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 4: Like it sounds awesome, right, it's we watched it when

2297
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 4: they played the Dolphins that day, we watched it. We

2298
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 4: all wanted them to lose. The players themselves did it.

2299
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 4: Tanking sounds amazing. You can't tell players to tank, especially

2300
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 4: a bunch of players who are gonna be, you know,

2301
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:53,759
Speaker 4: playing for their lives.

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Speaker 3: So if.

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01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 4: Knowing Duke Tobin, I'm sure knows right now, he's got

2304
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 4: a lot of work to do this offseason, assuming he's

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01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 4: the guy, if he can't do it without his team,

2306
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 4: essentially throwing away the season.

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01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 3: Then they have the wrong guy. Now you may look

2308
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 3: at the body of.

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01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 4: Work over the last two years by Duke Tobin and

2310
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:16,600
Speaker 4: think they have the wrong guy anyway, But I just

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01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 4: I don't know how organizationally you could say we're two

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01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 4: and three and look, man, my guess is this team

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01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 4: finishes with like six or seven wins. The schedule does

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01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:30,560
Speaker 4: ease up a little bit after that Pittsburgh game. This

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01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 4: division's not great right now. I think it would have

2316
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 4: been really really hard to go, you know what, we're

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01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 4: gonna put Jake Browning out there because we don't want

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01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 4: to win, or we're gonna replace Jake Browning with somebody

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01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 4: who's worse than any of these other dudes they could

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01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 4: have got. Like I just I think that sounds great

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01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 4: in in in theory. In practice, I they're bad enough

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01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 4: to still lose this game on some I mean, they're

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01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 4: fourteen and a half point dogs. Joe Flacko ain't gonna

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01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 4: move the line all that much. They're gonna be home

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01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 4: dogs against Pittsburgh, probably slight home favorites against the Jets,

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01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 4: home dogs perhaps against Chicago, and then we'll go from there.

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Speaker 3: The schedule does ease up a little bit.

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01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,280
Speaker 4: I think Baltimore those two games are gonna be more

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01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 4: difficult right now than their current record would indicate. You know,

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01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 4: I still believe there's something to try to salvage this season.

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01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 4: And when you're on your third quarterback, third starting quarterback

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01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 4: in six weeks, chances of you salvaging and are not good.

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Speaker 4: But I think you have to try.

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01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 3: They tried. I don't know how much.

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01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 4: Credit you should get for trying. Frankly, Duke Tobin spent

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01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 4: most of this offseason, for my money, not trying.

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Speaker 3: But I think.

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Speaker 4: You had to try something. I've used the analogy all afternoon.

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Speaker 3: This reporting sponsored bos not something I would have.

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Speaker 4: Imagined i'd be saying when I woke up this morning.

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01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 4: By the way, I made a big mistake before, and

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Speaker 4: unlike others in this business, when I when I make.

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Speaker 3: A commit a full pod willing to admit it.

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Speaker 4: I said before they were going to they were playing

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Speaker 4: baseball in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 4: Game three is not aner FS one is re airing

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Speaker 4: Game two. So Game three in Detroit is still being delayed.

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Speaker 4: they ever start the baseball game in Detroit, you could

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Speaker 4: watch that, perhaps simultaneously as the other game the Yankees

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Speaker 4: and the Toronto Blue Jay. So my mistake, I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: if I misled you, it was not intentional. Anything you

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Speaker 4: might have missed on this radio station, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what you can go do? You can go find

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Speaker 3: it on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: You can also go to the podcast page at the

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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty dot com. And if you miss anything

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Speaker 4: on this show, all you gotta do is just go

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Speaker 4: to my page at ESPN fifteen thirty dot com as well.

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Speaker 3: There you are good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Paul Danner Jr's already podcast Aaron is getting ahead of

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Speaker 4: the game, so check that out. iHeartRadio app is we

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Speaker 4: reacted to the Joe Flacco news and so much more.

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Speaker 4: We're back in studio tomorrow at three oh five. I

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Speaker 4: guess Joe Flacco press conference quarterback usually talks on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Is Joe going to be on time? See, we're done.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to the staff here at Oakley Greens, Thanks to

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Speaker 4: those of you who came on out stare to me.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to the guy who called in from the bar.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to Drew Wester Heidi for producing on site. Thanks

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Speaker 4: to our guy Taran for producing back and Ken would

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Speaker 4: have an unbelievable night. And we'll talk to you tomorrow

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Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station

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Speaker 1: The Pumpkin Spice latte