Speaker 1: Has anybody watched the trailer? It's not a big movie.
Speaker 1: It's not a big movie. But has anybody seen the
Speaker 1: trailer for Brailed It?
Speaker 2: Like nailed it, but it's brailed It?
Speaker 3: Nailed it?
Speaker 1: But yes, brailed It sounds like nailed it, but it's brailed.
Speaker 4: It have not.
Speaker 1: The trailer's good. The trailer's really good. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a documentary. It's a small documentary. Actually it's only good.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, it will expand, but it's gonna be at it's
Speaker 1: not open yet, no one second.
Speaker 3: Um.
Speaker 1: It'll begin at New York's Squad Cinema on September fourth,
Speaker 1: and then we'll quickly expand with a screening at the
Speaker 1: Library of Congress in DC, followed by additional engagements in
Speaker 1: other cities. So it'll go New York Library of Congress
Speaker 1: and then it'll start to open up, right, And it's
Speaker 1: a documentary.
Speaker 3: Called Brailed It.
Speaker 1: Every year, the top eight Top under eighteen so eighteen
Speaker 1: U Braille readers and writers from across the English speaking
Speaker 1: world gather in Los Angeles to compete in the Braille
Speaker 1: Challenge for one weekend. Blind and low vision kids are
Speaker 1: no longer the minority in the room, they make new friends,
Speaker 1: face off against old rivals, and chase a rare chance
Speaker 1: to be recognized not only for their disability but for
Speaker 1: their skill and brailed it. The camera is placed directly
Speaker 1: in their hands. As the kids document the competition themselves.
Speaker 1: They're fragmented imagery and candid moments of nerves, boredom, joy
Speaker 1: and triumph.
Speaker 3: And then it goes on and does it.
Speaker 1: The trailer's amazing, The trailer's great, and it is it's
Speaker 1: all blind kids.
Speaker 2: So what exactly happens just speaking of the competition itself,
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 1: Showing the competition is so in so in the in
Speaker 1: the in the trailer, right, you get parts of like
Speaker 1: meeting the kids, right, so like you meet one girl, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't know how much of a
Speaker 1: backstory you get, but like, some of these kids could
Speaker 1: not be more competitive, right, Like, it's no different than
Speaker 1: any other competition. And so I assume that some of
Speaker 1: these kids have been going year after year after year
Speaker 1: to compete. And there are some of them, some of
Speaker 1: these kids where it's like where they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a competition, it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: And then the blind kids like, yeah, it is like
Speaker 1: it like it's everything to them, Like this is their competition.
Speaker 2: It's like the spelling Bee where they spend all year training.
Speaker 1: Yeah but yet yet, Yes, but it's also it's it's
Speaker 1: the spelling bee, it's a hockey tournament, it's a dance competition.
Speaker 1: It is like that's their thing. So they go in
Speaker 1: there and the competition part of it. They sit it
Speaker 1: these brail machines. I don't know what you call them.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the real term is. And
Speaker 1: if that's offensive, I'm sorry, but it looks like the
Speaker 1: brail people type writers. That's probably also offensive, And for
Speaker 1: that one, I am sorry. No, what do you call it?
Speaker 1: What do you call it? What's the braille machine called
Speaker 1: a brailer? There's no way it's a brailer.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is what is it called the braille type machine?
Speaker 2: It's commonly called a braille writer or a Perkins brailer.
Speaker 3: Oh so you were right? Oh good for you. You
Speaker 3: knew that.
Speaker 2: I guess it.
Speaker 3: I guess mine too.
Speaker 2: You just threw together three words and hoped they made
Speaker 2: some sense.
Speaker 1: These kids sit there on these brailers, Diane. It is
Speaker 1: it's amazing the speed in which they're I guess you
Speaker 1: call it typing.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you call it. I'm not blind.
Speaker 3: I don't have one of these.
Speaker 2: Now, that.
Speaker 4: Might be the most defensive thing you've said.
Speaker 3: But it is amazing to watch them type on this.
Speaker 2: So you said speed inaccuracy. I get that right. I
Speaker 2: wondered and or compared this. I guess to the spelling
Speaker 2: Bee the five core categories that they are tested on. Okay,
Speaker 2: speeding accuracy is one, yes, spelling obviously, Well, isn't that accuracy?
Speaker 2: But anyway, it doesn't matter. Go ahead, proofreading, oh reading,
Speaker 2: comprehension and tactile charts and graphs interpretation.
Speaker 1: If I'm being completely honest, I've never thought of a
Speaker 1: braille graft or graph the like. Listen, I can't read
Speaker 1: brail the no, I can't, but we've all felt it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope that this is meaning.
Speaker 3: I don't mean for it to be.
Speaker 1: But like you get in the elevator or an eighteen
Speaker 1: nine and there's brail, like you'll touch it, and so
Speaker 1: you're somewhat familiar with that. Again, I can't read it.
Speaker 1: I think it is unbelievably impressive. I shouldn't say that, Remember,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're blind, that's what that's your language.
Speaker 2: In Brad Meltzer's Iron Heelen color book, they had Brail
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, which, by the way I read the.
Speaker 2: Words, I think, whether it's some sort of a machine
Speaker 2: or an elevator or even that book, the children who
Speaker 2: are cited being exposed to that is touching thing.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1: But if you're blind and you could read Brail, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not celebrating that, like that's your thing.
Speaker 3: You should be able to do that.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like these kids are reading at a
Speaker 2: pace that goes beyond normal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But what I was going to say is
Speaker 1: I don't imagine graphs, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I like I do.
Speaker 1: I can't think of any graphs right now, but diagram
Speaker 1: right that would be hard in brail.
Speaker 4: Let's pull up an example.
Speaker 3: Okay, you could just do dots. I won't know what
Speaker 3: it is there are.
Speaker 1: But so anyway, there's the competition part of it where
Speaker 1: they're they're they're at the the brailers.
Speaker 3: And these kids are banging along, banging along.
Speaker 1: Now they don't show them doing like reading and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but then you see them like at the
Speaker 1: at the hotel where the competition's taking place, right, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's every hotel that I've been in for
Speaker 1: hockey tournaments, or or for dance tournaments, or for anything.
Speaker 1: It's every Hampton in that you been in, except instead
Speaker 1: of lugging around hockey bags, they're lugging around blind sticks.
Speaker 3: I don't know what those.
Speaker 2: Are called either, Jesus Christ. The wands a wand I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's a kazam?
Speaker 3: What is that called? Are you a blind stick? You're
Speaker 3: kill a blind cane?
Speaker 2: No, it's not a it's it's just a cane. It
Speaker 2: doesn't have to have a word blind in it.
Speaker 1: But it's not a right. No no, but it's not
Speaker 1: no no, but it's not it's not no. If I say, oh,
Speaker 1: he walks around with a cane, you're not picturing a
Speaker 1: blind cane.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice. They're called white canes.
Speaker 3: Thank you anyway, So like they've got those.
Speaker 2: Or on Amazon canes for the blind.
Speaker 3: The thank you that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: This girl gets my favorite part of the trailer. It's
Speaker 1: like all of them just being kids. This girl gets
Speaker 1: in the elevator right, so she's on the fourth floor,
Speaker 1: whatever floor she's on, and she pushes the button and
Speaker 1: she waits, and I.
Speaker 3: Guess she knows the dang and the door open or whatever.
Speaker 1: She walks in and maybe this is common with blind people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which she gets in the elevator.
Speaker 2: God, I hope people realize you're quoting the teaser.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets it. He goes hello.
Speaker 2: I don't know, how's that funny.
Speaker 1: Because she didn't know if anybody's in the elevator. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: so she's got it.
Speaker 2: So if somebody responds and she starts up a conversation, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, if I get on the elevator, I can see
Speaker 1: someone's on there, and if I get on the elevator,
Speaker 1: assuming they can also see, they see me.
Speaker 3: Get on, so I don't have to say hello, but
Speaker 3: they do. It's like that was awesome.
Speaker 1: And then there's the one girl who's running down the
Speaker 1: sidewalk because she's all excited, but her her what is
Speaker 1: it called her cane or her white cane is on
Speaker 1: the right and misses her her sister's legs, so she
Speaker 1: slams right intoor.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's good. But the trailer is so good.
Speaker 4: By the way, if you have a moment today.
Speaker 2: The way braille depicts a vent diagram is fascinating because
Speaker 2: it's written like a statement, and.
Speaker 3: Oh so it isn't a graph. I mean it is,
Speaker 3: but it's not.
Speaker 4: What is it.
Speaker 3: It's like you don't see like in a zen diagram.
Speaker 1: It's the two circles and they overlap, so but you're
Speaker 1: not feeling a circle in a circle and what's in
Speaker 1: the middle.
Speaker 2: No, you're just reading a line. And the braille indicates
Speaker 2: if the subset includes, there, doesn't include, or can tains
Speaker 2: are therefore such that no elements empty set. It's wild
Speaker 2: and I understand what they're trying to communicate, but it's
Speaker 2: really interesting. I don't remember what did the passage in
Speaker 2: I am Helen Keller.
Speaker 4: What did it say? Do you remember?
Speaker 2: Oh? Hello, anybody in here?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: I understand that it is something that might happen. I
Speaker 2: believe you that it happened in the trailer.
Speaker 3: It's the trailer.
Speaker 2: But was it meant to be comedic?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I think it was like to show this is if
Speaker 1: you're blind, like, think about I never thought about it.
Speaker 1: I just think, of course, blind people use the elevator.
Speaker 1: I've seen it blind John's been up here. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he didn't take the stairs with his dog. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I took the elevator. But you just take for granted.
Speaker 3: You get on the elevator, you see somebody, you give
Speaker 3: him the head nod.
Speaker 1: But you can't head nod if you can't see him
Speaker 1: because you're blind.
Speaker 2: So you get in Hello, but it's almost like you're
Speaker 2: affecting your voice like there's an echo.
Speaker 3: Well what am I supposed to do? Get on there
Speaker 3: and go hello? Hello? No, you gotta be kind of
Speaker 3: open with it. Can I go to line one pulling
Speaker 3: up the trailer?
Speaker 1: Ha?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: You have to.
Speaker 3: Hi elliot in the morning.
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm blind, I'm a Keen user and I have
Speaker 6: two Perkins brailers. What do you want to know?
Speaker 2: What was the last part to what.
Speaker 3: Number one? Were you?
Speaker 1: I mean this honestly, and I'm sorry if I'm offending.
Speaker 1: You Have you been are you? Have you been blind
Speaker 1: since birth?
Speaker 6: Since I was five years old?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So do you do you even remember being sighted?
Speaker 6: So I'm low vision now, so I have I was
Speaker 6: able to get a lot of slight back maybe because
Speaker 6: I was young, so like maybe some of the stuff
Speaker 6: grew back.
Speaker 3: Hey, can I can I ask you this, what is like?
Speaker 3: I know you said your low vision? Right? What is like?
Speaker 3: At what?
Speaker 1: At what point of low vision? This are you considered blind?
Speaker 6: I think it's a hard I think it's a hard question.
Speaker 6: I people who try. I know, I know people who
Speaker 6: drive who say they are a low vision?
Speaker 1: Holy god, Hey, what is the what is the But
Speaker 1: you said you you use a cane?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Yes, it is called a white cane?
Speaker 1: Sure the the have you ever heard of this competition
Speaker 1: that takes place?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: I have haven't. It is that I know that I
Speaker 6: did a competition. I never went. I never traveled for
Speaker 6: I grew up in upstate New York, what part near Albany, Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So so you did a competition and it's and it's
Speaker 1: a Perkins brailer, like you said the the speed in
Speaker 1: which these kids are typing is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: How how often do you use it?
Speaker 6: Right now? I only use it for shopping lists, can
Speaker 6: and keeping keeping score and scrabble. I haven't used it.
Speaker 6: I used it all to high school for taking notes.
Speaker 3: Can I can? I ask you this? So you use it?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 3: Like what I don't? I don't know how the machine works?
Speaker 1: But you use it and you're typing it, and then
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you type is in braille and then it
Speaker 1: comes out so like you can, like your shopping list,
Speaker 1: you can then take to you can take to the store,
Speaker 1: and you could read your shopping.
Speaker 3: List right right, I have.
Speaker 6: So my theory is I have enough sight to see
Speaker 6: the shelves, but so if I can use my eyes
Speaker 6: on the shelves that I don't have to keep moving
Speaker 6: my eyes back and forth to my list. I can
Speaker 6: use my fingers from my list.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Is does the brailer work like if you were if
Speaker 1: you were not, if you were never sighted, or you
Speaker 1: were fully blind and you couldn't use a typewriter. Is
Speaker 1: there a way to use one of those Perkin brailers
Speaker 1: to type? But it comes out as a piece of
Speaker 1: paper that I could read.
Speaker 3: I can't read brail.
Speaker 6: Yes, I had. I had a machine called a brail
Speaker 6: in print back when I was in middle school high school.
Speaker 6: And you took your brail Perkins, your Perkins brailer, the
Speaker 6: big metals thing that weighs fifteen pounds, took the bottom
Speaker 6: off of it, put it on top of this metal platform,
Speaker 6: and that hooked that platform with like springs on it
Speaker 6: that match the buttons inside the brailer. It catched that
Speaker 6: platform to a regular printer, and then you would just
Speaker 6: like you could roll your paper into the brailer type
Speaker 6: and brail and then press press a button and it
Speaker 6: would come out in print.
Speaker 3: That's that's janius.
Speaker 1: I was afraid I was asking a stupid question, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest.
Speaker 6: And then there's there's been several things. I mean, there's
Speaker 6: brail displays where you've got as you're scrolling down a
Speaker 6: computer screen, you can read line by line the electronic thoughts.
Speaker 3: We learned how you read graphs.
Speaker 6: Uh, yes, I I remember graphs. You either mark them
Speaker 6: up in brails, just by moving your cursor, so to speak,
Speaker 6: across the different lines. Or you could also use like
Speaker 6: a a with like a rubber like a rubber pad
Speaker 6: underneath it and just kind of press really hard, make
Speaker 6: invitations that way, gotcha?
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Hey? Last thing, when you get in an elevator,
Speaker 3: do you go hello?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: But I mean it's it's always fun when people I
Speaker 6: suppose me too, you're not paying attention and you just
Speaker 6: barrel into each other on the way and round.
Speaker 3: All right, very good, very good. Hey, I'm glad that
Speaker 3: you called thank you very much.
Speaker 6: Yep, have a good one by you got it.
Speaker 2: So I was going through the trailer right, and you're right.
Speaker 2: Those kids are hammering away.
Speaker 1: Oh did you see them? And it really is impressive.
Speaker 1: There's not a person listening who types that fast.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Some people are no tyler.
Speaker 2: You saw them the one thing that it makes total sense,
Speaker 2: but your first caught off guard seeing it. There's only
Speaker 2: nine looks like nine buttons, nine keys.
Speaker 1: Oh it looks it's it's a typewriter, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like a typewriter.
Speaker 2: But that's because it just needs the six dots.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The other keys might be more for formatting, right, but
Speaker 2: you only need six right, six dots to write embraille.
Speaker 4: And then you.
Speaker 2: Don't ricing and like that.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I know you don't, Elliott.
Speaker 3: Actually I feel like I only need one dot and
Speaker 3: I just placed a bunch around it.
Speaker 2: But I do believe this is the scene that you
Speaker 2: keep alluding to.
Speaker 1: You should be able to pick it out in the trailer.
Speaker 1: She walks into an elevator.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hit play here, okay.
Speaker 2: I I don't know without captions if this is when
Speaker 2: she delivers Elio's.
Speaker 7: Line doors open to an empty elevator.
Speaker 3: Hello, What was the voiceover voe and that they're mocking her?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, the voiceover is if you're blind, you
Speaker 1: don't know that, so it's telling you the doors open
Speaker 1: to an empty elevator. We can see that, but somebody
Speaker 1: who's blind can't.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 2: But it was like, as a sighted person watching it,
Speaker 2: I can see there's no one in there, and you're hearing,
Speaker 2: and I understand that they want to the movie for everybody, right,
Speaker 2: And she says, like an idiot, Well, no, the truth
Speaker 2: is she shouldn't say anything because she heard the voice
Speaker 2: over say, doors open to an empty elevator. But what
Speaker 2: I guess maybe I lost or was lost in all
Speaker 2: of our ignorance, and you did say this to your credit?
Speaker 2: How So much of it appears to be filmed by
Speaker 2: the competitors themselves. Yes, so it's a little bumpy because
Speaker 2: they're wearing the cameras. Yeah, but it looks pretty neat
Speaker 2: to see everything from their perspective, yes, oh, versus a
Speaker 2: filmmaker who just has a crew following them.
Speaker 1: Like at one point they're trying to find one student's
Speaker 1: trying to find the rest of their group and laughing.
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be funny at all?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 3: They're standing in an enormous group of people. They're like
Speaker 3: like like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Remember the school, but it would be like blind Diane going,
Speaker 1: is there anybody here?
Speaker 3: From Lake Braddock?
Speaker 7: Doors open to an empty elevator.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, It's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's great. No, I'm telling you it's you can have
Speaker 3: fun with it.
Speaker 1: But it is a fascinating, fascinating look at at And
Speaker 1: by the way, who let's start with this. Who knew
Speaker 1: that they're there?
Speaker 3: There's a scene.
Speaker 1: Who knew that there was a Who knew that there
Speaker 1: was a national Braille competition?
Speaker 3: Nobody? I learned that.
Speaker 1: I now know that if I'm standing in an elevator
Speaker 1: and I can't tell they're blind, and somebody walks in
Speaker 1: and goes hello, I'm gonna know. But questioning hello, I'm
Speaker 1: going to know that they're blind. I know what to
Speaker 1: call their sticks now and their machines.
Speaker 2: When did this competition begin?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know how many are
Speaker 3: and I also love it.
Speaker 1: It's this competition is no different than my boys playing hockey,
Speaker 1: Like one of the parents is like, hey, listen, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you win or lose, just as long
Speaker 1: as you have fun, and the kids like, uh no,
Speaker 1: we're here to win. Like one of them, I think
Speaker 1: even says like I'm tired of finishing. Second, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get after it.
Speaker 4: It looks like it twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh it's been around that long, And it.
Speaker 2: Was that The initial inaugural contest was also in southern California?
Speaker 3: Does it is it always in LA?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Do they just do it so everybody knows, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got to go to LA. It's not like trying
Speaker 1: to figure out where it's going to be next year.
Speaker 2: But remember those are like the finalist right, so these.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it's like like like when you said
Speaker 1: the spelling bead. There's probably like at your school and
Speaker 1: then in your district or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Can I go to line three? Here he is, Hello.
Speaker 5: Elliott, it's blind John.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 5: Hey man? I was going to call you a Russell
Speaker 5: the Love Muscle, but I figured we should call you Elliott.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Trail? Well you understand what I mean.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the movie Brailed or Brailed It.
Speaker 5: I am now because I called I was. I walked
Speaker 5: in from a meeting and I heard you talking about
Speaker 5: Braill's stuff and I called kristin real quick, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was a passing comment that
Speaker 5: he made, but if you need the resident blindye I
Speaker 5: am here.
Speaker 3: I got to tell you.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: I watched this trailer for Brailed It and it is
Speaker 1: about a national braille competition that takes place in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and it is it is, And the cameras are on
Speaker 1: the kids and they're all eighteen years older, younger. It
Speaker 1: seems like most of them are younger than eighteen. It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: It is so good. I mean, the competition part of
Speaker 1: it is great. These kids pounding away on their brailers
Speaker 1: is the speed is crazy, what's going on. But then
Speaker 1: just like them being kids and running around and being
Speaker 1: blind doing their stuff, it's awesome. Like it's really really good.
Speaker 1: And you know why, you know it's got to be
Speaker 1: good because if it were in any way like off
Speaker 1: or something was wrong, the Library of Congress isn't gonna
Speaker 1: air like have a screen.
Speaker 3: That's how you know that it's good or at least accurate.
Speaker 5: Oh right, So the petition, it's been happening at the
Speaker 5: brailst in California and LA for like I said, or
Speaker 5: like Tyler said, about twenty five years or so. I
Speaker 5: actually know friends who participated in it. They do both
Speaker 5: the Braille competition for the writing portion as well as
Speaker 5: the reading portion. So it's both booth brail literacy in
Speaker 5: both ways. And just so you know, the the individual
Speaker 5: that called prior to me, there is other ways of
Speaker 5: getting braill to turn into print. Now, I have a
Speaker 5: computer that I use for work, for example, that I
Speaker 5: plug in or just you know, wirelessly connect to any
Speaker 5: printer and I can write in Braille. You'll send it
Speaker 5: to the wireless printer and they'll print it out in
Speaker 5: regular print.
Speaker 3: Hey John, remind me, remind me, were you ever cited
Speaker 3: or no?
Speaker 5: My parents say, I used to be able to see
Speaker 5: light when I was little, but I don't remember because
Speaker 5: I would always like run to the window and point
Speaker 5: out the window.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Usually that indicates to a toddler that or to a
Speaker 5: you know, a toddler that they can see light usually.
Speaker 1: But I don't remember any of that, right, So, But
Speaker 1: I mean, but like you've never like you weren't old
Speaker 1: enough to like, as far as you're concerned, you've always
Speaker 1: been blind, Like, yes, you may have run to a window,
Speaker 1: but you don't remember seeing anything. No, because I was
Speaker 1: just wondering, like for like, like if you would have
Speaker 1: been like ten or eleven, and can you type when
Speaker 1: you're ten or eleven?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You can now, of course you can't.
Speaker 1: The do you like when you type in brail if
Speaker 1: you had been cited?
Speaker 3: Do you see letters or do you see brail?
Speaker 5: So most of the blind people I know who are
Speaker 5: older or who lose their sight when they're young like that,
Speaker 5: learn to read Brail with their fingers because that's kind
Speaker 5: of what they want you to do. But I also
Speaker 5: know cited people who teach blind children, and they can
Speaker 5: actually read Braille by looking at it. And even what's
Speaker 5: more interesting to me is they can read it upside down.
Speaker 5: So if your teacher is sitting across from you at
Speaker 5: a desk, he or she can actually read what you're
Speaker 5: writing or reading for that matter, upside down because they're
Speaker 5: across from you, right, so they're not looking the same
Speaker 5: way you're looking in terms of the way you say.
Speaker 1: But I just took I have a piece of paper
Speaker 1: sitting in front of me, and I just turned it
Speaker 1: upside down and I'm reading it just fine.
Speaker 5: I did you know, side of people amaze me every day.
Speaker 5: I didn't know you to do that. I also will
Speaker 5: say this, Elliott, when I go into an elevator.
Speaker 3: Hello, I do not.
Speaker 5: I don't do that. I think it's all a matter
Speaker 5: of it's all a matter of learning how to fake
Speaker 5: being sided. I've been around side of people my entire life, right,
Speaker 5: I work with side of people. I'm in organizations with
Speaker 5: sided people. So well, yeah, just because.
Speaker 1: You're blind doesn't mean you can only get to hang
Speaker 1: out and be around blind people.
Speaker 5: Right well, But the thing is, I've learned also all
Speaker 5: the mannerisms aside of people. So like when I go
Speaker 5: into an elevator, I don't say hello when I walk
Speaker 5: in h one because it could be empty, right Like.
Speaker 2: Like then who would know nobody?
Speaker 5: Well, and I would just but see I can usually
Speaker 5: hear who's in there anyway, so I don't have to say,
Speaker 5: you know, hello, just to see if anyone's in there,
Speaker 5: because I'm usually paying attention enough to know. And even
Speaker 5: things like hand gestures and head nods and things like that,
Speaker 5: like my wife tells me all the time, like I
Speaker 5: make the same kinds of hand gesters when I talk,
Speaker 5: and you know, things like that side of people.
Speaker 1: If you're not on the elevator, I would say something
Speaker 1: to you because you have a goddamn dog.
Speaker 5: Or okay, yeah you know, or yeah, like I mean,
Speaker 5: some people don't. Some people are grumpy in the morning.
Speaker 5: You ever trying to come, you know, in the office
Speaker 5: at seven in the morning, there are some grumpy people
Speaker 5: that don't want to say anything to you anyway.
Speaker 3: So I asked, what is it? Is it an etiquete question?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: If let's let's say I'm in the elevator first, right,
Speaker 1: and and and you and then I go up a
Speaker 1: couple floors ding and the door opens and a blind
Speaker 1: person gets on, but they don't say, you know, hello
Speaker 1: or nothing like that as etiquette?
Speaker 3: Do I do?
Speaker 1: I say hi? So they know that I'm in Like
Speaker 1: what what am I? As the sighted person who can
Speaker 1: tell they're in there? Do I say something like hey?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: I guess it depends on how friendly you want to be.
Speaker 5: I mean, people just don't want to be fundly, So.
Speaker 2: I guess my question that could be asked of anyone
Speaker 2: getting into an elevator.
Speaker 3: No, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Because let's say, let's say Diane's on the elevator and
Speaker 1: I get I get on the elevator. I could see
Speaker 1: Diane's on the elevator. She can see I'm getting on
Speaker 1: the elevator. I know that she's on the elevator. We
Speaker 1: don't have to talk because whether we're just not going
Speaker 1: to talk, Diane's grumpy, or whatever the case is. But
Speaker 1: if a blind person is getting on the elevator, they
Speaker 1: don't know I'm on the elevator, I feel like I
Speaker 1: should tell them I'm on the elevator.
Speaker 5: I mean, just a basic greeting is fine, right, Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm not gonna say hey, I know you
Speaker 1: can't see me, but I'm here.
Speaker 2: Or maybe you make a habit of just a brief hello,
Speaker 2: no matter who.
Speaker 3: It is, why would I do that. If Diane's looking
Speaker 3: at me, I'm gonna say hello, yes, hello like that. No,
Speaker 3: but people people don't always you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna do that me. Yeah, I'm not saying to anybody.
Speaker 3: I'm saying hi to a blind person if they got on.
Speaker 2: No, I treat everyone the same.
Speaker 3: Boo I feel like I would.
Speaker 1: I feel like I would say hot, like just just
Speaker 1: to alert that, not alert them because it makes it
Speaker 1: sound like stranger danger, but just to no.
Speaker 3: But just to be like, hey, just so you know.
Speaker 1: There's somebody, somebody, there's somebody else in here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like not not again, I'm not dangerous or nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm just letting you know here so you don't startled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the same way you would want to know I'm there.
Speaker 5: And uh, we'll quick. I guess I can go back
Speaker 5: to Tyler's question earlier that there were there are more
Speaker 5: than six keys on a brailer. Brailer, so h, there
Speaker 5: are only six keys that make the different rail letters.
Speaker 5: Different combinations of those six keys make different letters, numbers
Speaker 5: and punctuation and stuff like that. But then the other
Speaker 5: keys on the brail. The brailer is the space bar
Speaker 5: that's in the middle. And then if you look, I
Speaker 5: don't know how post the camera looks, but on the
Speaker 5: left and the right there's these things that look like
Speaker 5: I would say a lever. There's like a little circle
Speaker 5: thing and one of those things makes the paper go down,
Speaker 5: and then the other one makes the you're a cursor
Speaker 5: or your your backs. It basically makes it backspace. So
Speaker 5: those were the or those are the nine well actually
Speaker 5: wait six, yeah, those are the keys that are on
Speaker 5: the railer that you.
Speaker 3: Don't even know by the way, you know, what would suck?
Speaker 1: Like sometimes John, I don't know if you ever do this,
Speaker 1: but sometimes, like if I'm typing, like I'm on a
Speaker 1: real keyboard, if I like go to backspace, sometimes I
Speaker 1: hit it once or twice too many. If you guys
Speaker 1: do that, you mess up the whole word. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't see where it is.
Speaker 5: We can feel the where the cursor is or the
Speaker 5: brail cursor is, so we would know. The problem though,
Speaker 5: is with the brailer you can't really erase like you
Speaker 5: would on a regular you know that document, So you
Speaker 5: either have to erase it sort of using a little
Speaker 5: thing called a brailer erase, or it's a little wood
Speaker 5: piece with a.
Speaker 3: Little it flattens out the dogs exactly.
Speaker 5: But the problem with that is it doesn't quite erase
Speaker 5: it though, so you're just kind of I guess it's
Speaker 5: the most equivalent thing I could say, the side of
Speaker 5: people using white out. You know, you can tell someone
Speaker 5: used white out right, So it's the same thing there.
Speaker 5: It looks kind of smudgy.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha? All right, I think I got everything else nailed.
Speaker 5: We should go see thet I'm actually going to check
Speaker 5: out documentary because I haven't heard of this yet. And
Speaker 5: in terms of the Library of Congress screening it, the
Speaker 5: Library of Congress has a big program called the National
Speaker 5: Braille Press, and they produce books for the blind, you know,
Speaker 5: in braille and on audio format as well. So blind
Speaker 5: people are able to rent books and and you know,
Speaker 5: just like you will go to the library. It's basically
Speaker 5: our library, right, so there's tons of books and stuff
Speaker 5: that you can get from there.
Speaker 3: That way, good deal. Hey, check out the trailer. It's awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Where's airic?
Speaker 4: Just so I know?
Speaker 3: YouTube?
Speaker 5: Oh sweet?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, very good, very good. Well they can
Speaker 3: get to YouTube.
Speaker 4: I don't say that they, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Blind people can get to YouTube.
Speaker 7: Doors open to an empty elevator.
Speaker 3: Hello, the best part? Can I go line too, I'll
Speaker 3: go quick, I'll go quick. Hi, elliot in the morning?
Speaker 3: Is this me?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Hi?
Speaker 3: Who's that? Oh?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna say my name.
Speaker 1: Well, Christy, okay, great restraint, way to type.
Speaker 8: I have no self control. I'm a certified Brail list
Speaker 8: and I listen to you guys every morning, and you
Speaker 8: guys racked me up. I'm sorry when you talk about
Speaker 8: blive people, what the.
Speaker 3: What is what is a certified?
Speaker 5: Are?
Speaker 3: Are you blind?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 6: I'm not so.
Speaker 8: I was just listening and I can. I can read
Speaker 8: brail by sight. I produce all the brail for Howard
Speaker 8: County in Maryland.
Speaker 3: Wait, you produce all of the brail?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's it's a lot, but it's not
Speaker 8: as much as it sounds.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm like just just reading materials, like they
Speaker 1: don't come to you and go like, hey, new building
Speaker 1: with elevators, you need to do all the brails?
Speaker 3: Like you don't do that? I could. Oh wow, yes,
Speaker 3: hey can I ask you this? How did you? How
Speaker 3: did you end up in that job?
Speaker 8: I dated a guy in high school and his mother
Speaker 8: was the around the Braill Department as a round school
Speaker 8: for the blind. So when we broke up, I still
Speaker 8: kept in touch with her and she got me the
Speaker 8: job right out of high school. Was older, now so.
Speaker 3: Was he Was he blind?
Speaker 8: No? No, her father was did a whole bunch of
Speaker 8: stuff for the blind. None of them were blind. We're
Speaker 8: all sited I got YOUA.
Speaker 3: I got YOUA.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating though, good for you, good for you. The
Speaker 1: how long have you? How long have you been doing it?
Speaker 8: That was Matt twenty five years?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 8: Wow, Hey, I haven't done this the whole twenty five years.
Speaker 3: But I got you. I got you. Well, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Had you had you heard of brailed it before?
Speaker 8: No? No, I so you can find it on YouTube.
Speaker 8: I just heard, but I messaged my boss, so I'm
Speaker 8: going to tell my coworkers about it.
Speaker 1: Hey, just real quick, did you when you messaged your boss?
Speaker 1: Did you tell your boss?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 3: I heard this on Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 8: Not this time, but I know what it worked.
Speaker 1: You know what? This is why, this is why we
Speaker 1: don't know because you know what, if it was something bad,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, you know what I heard on Elliott,
Speaker 1: and then everybody goes, well, of course they're disgusting animals.
Speaker 3: But if you.
Speaker 1: Weren't here the people in charge, excuse me, hello, the
Speaker 1: people at Howard County, you can't go in there and go, hey,
Speaker 1: I heard something that's actually goddamn smart today and I
Speaker 1: was listening to the radio.
Speaker 3: That's why we never get credit.
Speaker 1: That's why we get credit for being garbage but not
Speaker 1: credit for being good.
Speaker 3: Maybe, all right, are.
Speaker 8: You doing your tan ship? Because I'm gonna say this
Speaker 8: and shut you down. I listen to you guys every
Speaker 8: day at work, and when you guys talk about blind people,
Speaker 8: I put it on speaker and we all listen and laugh,
Speaker 8: and you guys do say a lot and you give
Speaker 8: a lot of good information.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, all right, I'll accept that. Hold on, yes, Tyler.
Speaker 2: And perhaps she's dragging from the concert last night.
Speaker 8: I'm on vacation.
Speaker 1: All right, very good, very good. I appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go check out dude. Honestly though, go check out the trailer.
Speaker 3: It's awesome.
Speaker 8: I am all right, thank you, all right, very hold.
Speaker 1: On one second, in case I need a certified brail list.
Speaker 1: Hold on one second.
Speaker 4: You can just hey.
Speaker 2: Like I can. For that, I can, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to be an able list. And I can see
Speaker 2: into the future.