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Speaker 2: I've seen them do this before, and they've got the

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Speaker 1: The next you know, five six years after that flim

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Speaker 1: This is interesting, I think, Seaffert, We've got folks out

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Speaker 1: that's the ultimate test, You're test.

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Speaker 3: It really was, you know, I had I got on

429
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Speaker 3: the mailing list for tickets whenever it came out, and

430
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Speaker 3: I had a decision to make. I had to decide

431
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Speaker 3: what was more important to me. And as much as

432
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: I like him and went to I did go to

433
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: see him last summer at I think it was at

434
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Speaker 3: Treasure Island. But and so it's not as if I

435
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: haven't seen his recent show. But it was just a

436
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: bridge too far.

437
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Speaker 1: Dan, I'm stunned. Actually, this is that there's a time

438
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Speaker 1: when everyone, no, there's a time when everyone has to

439
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: make their stand. How about Body Rate. That's the first

440
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: concert Great Mines Souda get Together this year, the great mythic.

441
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, she can sing in a hundred different genres, blues, pop,

442
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Body Rates terrific. You should go see

443
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Bonnie Raid at the State Fair first night.

444
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah no, if she's h if she's going to be

445
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: a first avenue or something, I'll go Okay. I don't

446
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: know if that's where she'll be end up being, but

447
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: it was there comes a time when everyone has to

448
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: take a stand, and I took mind.

449
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about broadworst Risotto? I never had that.

450
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: I've certainly heard it talked about a lot. I'm not

451
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: certain that it actually exists, but if anyone, if it

452
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Speaker 3: ever becomes a time when I'm trying to root around

453
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Speaker 3: for something new to try, I will definitely prepare that.

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Speaker 1: All right, I mentioned if you have Vikings questions National

455
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Football League questions, passed them along. Several of you have already. Well,

456
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Speaker 1: let me start with the Vikings question. We're going to

457
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Speaker 1: get to the Hall of Fame controversy for sure, because

458
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to need your help explaining some of the

459
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: procedural aspects that I do think are part of the story,

460
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: whether they should be or not. Bears and Patriots. Now,

461
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: the Bears, of course had a good run this season eliminated,

462
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: but a good run. Patriots on their way to the

463
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, bottomed out and rebuilt properly for the future

464
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: while the Vikings continue to try this competitive rebuild nonsense.

465
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: Any regrets from the brain wizards over there.

466
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because I mean, if so many

467
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: the brain wizards are the head coach and the GM like,

468
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: that's the that's the marching orders of the franchise, and

469
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: it's and I actually think it's a really interesting conversation ownership.

470
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Speaker 1: You're talking about ownership, Yeah, like that was not.

471
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: Breaking down the roster and rebuilding it in sort of

472
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: the classic sense, was not an option for those people,

473
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Speaker 3: for the people who are running the Vikings, because the

474
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: Vikings owners don't believe in doing that. And the conversation

475
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Speaker 3: is what would in the larger sense. Since twenty twenty two,

476
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Speaker 3: the Vikings I don't have it off the top of

477
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: my head, but they have I think the fifth best

478
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: regular season record they've had. You know a lot of

479
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: regular season wins. Yea. The Bears were maybe in the

480
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Speaker 3: in the lowest the bottom five of regular seas and

481
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: records from twenty twenty two to twenty four and then

482
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: and no playoff appearances. The Vikings had two playoff appearances

483
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: over that time, and then this year the Bears had

484
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: had a great season and the Vikings uh missed the

485
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: playoffs by a game.

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Speaker 1: And so the question is, because we don't know what direction.

487
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Speaker 3: Either one of them are going in the future, like

488
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: what of these past four years, which one would you

489
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: rather have? And so I know you're a Bears fan and.

490
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can't. In other words, you're just saying

491
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Speaker 1: you can't just evaluated on the basis of the most

492
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Speaker 1: recent season.

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00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they the Bears. If you're a Bears fan,

494
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: you you went through three really rough seasons to get

495
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Speaker 3: to this year. A year three, well, I mean it's

496
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: at least starting when the certain the GM tenures and uh,

497
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: you know, I lined up and then you, so then

498
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: you and then you get to this point. And clearly

499
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: the Bears at the moment look like they're in a

500
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 3: pretty good spot, and the Vikings have a lot of

501
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: really tough decisions to make this offseason about trying in

502
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: terms of how quickly they can get back to that spot.

503
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: But you know, it's kind of a question for fandom,

504
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: like what would be what's a better experience over that

505
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: at least that three year period from twenty two to

506
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: twenty four to get to the point where each of

507
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: the teams are at in twenty twenty five. And I

508
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: think that's a kind of a nuanced conversation that's not

509
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: as easy as saying, well, you know, the Bears put

510
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: in the you know, put in the time to do

511
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: it the right way, and they're here now, and the

512
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: Vikings tried to finesse it and they're here that's and

513
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: then they're here at this point now, and so you know,

514
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's an easy answer to decide.

515
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: And we could look back in ten years and see

516
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: where the programs each went from this point, But up

517
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: until this point, I'm not certain that the Bears did

518
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: it the right way and the Vikings did it the

519
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: wrong way, or the Vikings tried to chicken out or

520
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: finesse in some way that the Bears avoided and just

521
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: sort of sacrificed a couple of years to get to

522
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: where they are.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's I'm not even sure that he meant

524
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Speaker 1: it as pejoratively as I described it. Well, it's just

525
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: a part of it, I think. Is it's that age

526
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: old question about whether you end up being victimized by

527
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: your own success to a certain extent, because you never

528
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: get bad enough to really give yourself you know, it

529
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: takes longer then, but maybe get to a place where

530
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: you now feel like, all right, we're in position to

531
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Speaker 1: be a factor for a number of years in a row.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's no doubt that if you look back

533
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: in history and you say, you know, you look at

534
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts who were terrible and then the next

535
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: year they got Peyton Manning and that changed the direction

536
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: of their franchise. And or if you look at you know,

537
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: the I want to say the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes,

538
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: but they didn't even he wasn't he was a you know,

539
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: number twelve pick.

540
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, he was available to everybody.

541
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Speaker 3: But they got a generational player by you know, moving

542
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: up to the number twelve. And so there's there's different

543
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: you know in other sports as well, in San Antonio

544
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: with with Wemby and like if you you don't necessarily

545
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: even if you're not trying to be bad, you get

546
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: rewarded sometimes or you luck into it sometimes and you

547
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: have franchise changing moments. It doesn't mean you can't have

548
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: a franchise changing moment independent of how well you did

549
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: the year before. I mean, you don't you know, the

550
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: chances of getting a franchise changing player decrease a certain

551
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: amount with each draft pick that you get lower with,

552
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: but it doesn't rule it out entirely. And so there's

553
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: definitely there's definitely been teams that have you know, that

554
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: have been rewarded for being really incompetent and losing over

555
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: a longer period of time, and eventually they get somebody

556
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: that can lead them out of that that spot. But

557
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: but there's also other ways to do it as well.

558
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: And so I think they at the very least they've

559
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: they've minimum, they've they haven't optimized their chances for getting

560
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: franchise changing players in the draft, but it doesn't mean

561
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: that they couldn't have it or couldn't Moving forward.

562
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: We'll all agree, at least in theory and maybe in reality,

563
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick is worthy of first ballot entry into

564
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: the Professional Football Hall of Fame. It leaked, the story

565
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: leaked yesterday that he didn't make it. I already had

566
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: some fun with it yesterday because I actually think, put

567
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: it this way, I don't know what I would do

568
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: if I had to vote. My guess is I would

569
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: probably vote for him. But I do think there are

570
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: some mitigating factors that some people in our business are

571
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: conveniently forgetting when way back when they were singing a

572
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: very different tune. But I'll get to that part in

573
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: a minute. The procedural part of it, I didn't even

574
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: understand until I started reading, And even after I tried

575
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: to read some of these clarifications and explanations, I'm still

576
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: not sure I understand Dan, because there is some belief

577
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: that that might have. As much as nobody wants to

578
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: hear it because it's boring and it doesn't allow you

579
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: to shake your fist and lose your mind, there are

580
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: some procedural aspects to some changes in the way they

581
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: do Hall of Pro Football Hall of Fame voting that

582
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: at least need to be acknowledged correct and perhaps even explained.

583
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a few years ago, and I think

584
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: Dion Sanders was somebody who was leading this charge. Was

585
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: there was a sense that the and the Pro Football

586
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame was getting it was not exclusive enough anymore.

587
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: There were too many people getting in each year, and

588
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: not all of them were the absolute best of the best.

589
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: And you know, again you can debate all of that,

590
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: but there was the number of people that were getting

591
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: in over that period was definitely more. And so they

592
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: changed the process, and in the case of Belichick, the

593
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: way it impacted it is it put him into a

594
00:36:52,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: category with coaches, contributors, and seniors. And so there were one, two,

595
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: three for five people in that group that the voters

596
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: were allowed to vote for up to three, you know,

597
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: zero sum, you know, no ranking, no nothing. It was

598
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, Bob Kraft, Roger Craig was a Kurt what

599
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: was the Anderson?

600
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Who was the Bengals quarterback?

601
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: Kenny Kenny Anderson, and Elsie Greenwood, you know, and so

602
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: those were the seniors guys. And so what happens sometimes

603
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: in those situations is those those names can rotate over time.

604
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: And so if there's somebody that you as a voter

605
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: think should be in the Hall of Fame and he

606
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: comes up, or multiple people that you think should be

607
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame and they come up, and

608
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 3: sometimes you're you're tempted to make sure you vote for

609
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: them right then, even though there's somebody like Bill Belichick

610
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: who might be more qualified, you know, objectively, because he's

611
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: going to be on the ballot every you don't have

612
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: to worry about him not getting the requisite amount of time,

613
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: and so we don't know if that's what happened, but

614
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: that's the type of things that happened. And so you

615
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: clearly less than forty people of the fifty voters included

616
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, and they're among the three in that group

617
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: that they could vote for. And I guess that's sort

618
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: of the simplest way to do it, to say it.

619
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: And so you know, my friend Mike Sando who was

620
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: at ESPN for a long time and he's been doing

621
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: a great job of trying to provide some agate, and

622
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: the way he's put it is that that certainly can happen,

623
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: and he understands how that might happen.

624
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: In his mind.

625
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: You just look at the list and you say who

626
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: were the three best, and you vote for them, and

627
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: if somebody who's of lesser quality gets on the wayside,

628
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: then that's okay. You know, it's terrible for that person,

629
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: but it's okay in the larger sense of you're trying

630
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: to just get the best guys in each year, and like,

631
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: don't overcomplicate it. And so that's an example of how

632
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 3: a process that may not be perfect can can increase

633
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: the chances of a oversight of this level, and it

634
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: could have been that some of those people who voted

635
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: for somebody other than Belichick weren't It wasn't an anti

636
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: Belichick vote, It was an assumption that everybody else was probably.

637
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: Going to vote for him.

638
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: And so you don't have to You only need forty

639
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: of the fifty, and nobody cares if you get all

640
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: fifty or not, as long as it's over forty. And

641
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: so maybe they thought they could finagle some other people,

642
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, they're particular guy that they thought could get in.

643
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: And so it gets into some strategy that maybe if

644
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Speaker 3: it were more of a straightforward process, you wouldn't have.

645
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: But I think there's also a lot of pressure, and

646
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: understandably so, to make sure that this continues to be

647
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: an exclusive group and that you're not opening up the

648
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: process into ways that ye have classes of the you know,

649
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: the Hall are very good and that was where they

650
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: were a couple of years ago, and I think they

651
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: must have taken it to heart, the change, and they

652
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: must have taken it to heart because they made it

653
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: a lot harder for people to the other. And the

654
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: other process thing they changed is they reduced the waiting

655
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: time for coaches from five years to one year, and

656
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: so there's still you know, Bill Belichick still coaching in college,

657
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: but he's still coaching, and there's still some if there

658
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 3: are any personal grudges or emotions involved over a five

659
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: year period, that will probably dissipate. I'm not saying that

660
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: that's a justified reason and I vote for someone, but it's,

661
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: as Sid always said, people are human, and so human

662
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: nature sometimes takes over, and so that the five year gap, well,

663
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: I understand why they would reduce it for coaches who

664
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: might be of age, you know, and you want to

665
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: make sure they get in while they're still around. But

666
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: it can also increase the chances that a personal grudge

667
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: or a campaign of some kind based on something other

668
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: than their performance on the field could affect that.

669
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Speaker 1: I think this is a story that Sandal. It was

670
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: like a four byline story. As a coach. Belichick was

671
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: grouped with one contributor finalist who this year is Patriots

672
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: of Craft, and three senior finalists, players who've been eligible

673
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: for more than twenty years. You mentioned them Anderson, the

674
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: former QB, Roger Craig who had a minute here, and

675
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: else Greenwood. Among that group of five each of the

676
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: fifty selectors was asked asked to vote for three. It

677
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: seems counterintuitive to go about doing it this way. I

678
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: understand why they made the change, but three up to three? Yeah,

679
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: I guess up to three. It adds to it. Now,

680
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: here's the part that I honestly, and maybe I'm giving

681
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: the Jackals too much credit here because I don't believe,

682
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: despite the sometimes often testy relationship that existed between most

683
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: of the Jackals and Belichick, I don't believe that that's

684
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: at the top of the list at all of possibilities.

685
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: I just don't know, because I think even those folks

686
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, he was jack Assion, but that's too

687
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: good a resume. I might be able to finish that

688
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: in my own brain if he's more borderline being borderline,

689
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: so me, we'll go ahead, I'll say.

690
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: And to the extent that he did act that way,

691
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: it was often to sort of the local media in

692
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: New England.

693
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: Who aren't voters.

694
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: You know, he actually has the people in the fifty

695
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: voters or guys from and you know, men and women

696
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: from all around the country, and he actually is extremely

697
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: interactive with them because he's got this like Gary Myers

698
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: just told us that, yeah, it's the thing, and Gary

699
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: would no more than me. But he's very in tune

700
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: with NFL history and the Hall of Fame, and he's

701
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: had he's gone to great lengths, from what I understand,

702
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: to help some people get into the Hall of Fame.

703
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: So he just has a good He has a better

704
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: relationship than people would realize with the actual voters.

705
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. I do think that it is

706
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: harder to grapple with what I've ex Spygate, we would

707
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: agree is bigger than the flategate if I'm ranking him. Yeah,

708
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: So what's odd to me is I can remember back

709
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: to that whole period, and again it's it wasn't a

710
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: unanimous but there were a lot of people in our

711
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: business who said, well, no, this is a big deal,

712
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: and this isn't a good look, and there's got to

713
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: be some way to hold him accountable. Now, maybe I

714
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: don't know that that's some of the same people who

715
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: are voting, but I don't think it's strange credulity to think,

716
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: all right, this is one of the places where I'm

717
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: gonna I know he's going to get in. But for me, I,

718
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: in my good conscience as absurd as it sounds based

719
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: on his resume. I do want to make this point

720
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: because I don't want this to happen so easily for

721
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: him that we forget what took place. Then now you

722
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: told me Jimmy Johnson mocked the whole thing, said basically

723
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: what he got, what Belichick got in trouble for every

724
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: what he was doing. But the fact is the team

725
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: got lost a number one pick, as I recall it,

726
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: he got fined a bunch. How much didn't the team

727
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: get finally half a million? Yeah, it was a huge amount.

728
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: So why is that outrageous that you that might have

729
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: entered into it. I just think I again don't know

730
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: if I would have done it, But I'm not going

731
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: to take somebody else's right away from feeling. This is

732
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: how I'm going to make whatever point I want to make.

733
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the right of the voters. You know,

734
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: you could argue, like, in what way did spy yate?

735
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to performatively punish him for it,

736
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: for sure, but in what way did spygate you know,

737
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: attempting to tape people's signals as opposed to just trying

738
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 3: to manually watch them, Because that's what everybody was doing,

739
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: was manually sitting in the press box and watching it

740
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 3: in real time.

741
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: And the distinction was to tape.

742
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and my understanding and recollection and so, you know,

743
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: whatever his resume is, to what extent was it burnished

744
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: by you know, or made better by the fact that

745
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: they were taping people or not. And I don't know

746
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 3: that anybody could come up with a sub and tiv

747
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: answer to how Bill Belichick wouldn't have been as good

748
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: as he was were it not for spygate. If if

749
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: the idea is like that he flouted you know, NFL rules,

750
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: you know, continuously, then okay, come up with some more stuff.

751
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: You know.

752
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: The deflay gate thing is you know, they really that

753
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: was really pinned on Tom Brady. The only way that

754
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: Belichick was involved in it is that he was in

755
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: charge of the.

756
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: Of the football operation.

757
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: And so you know, and you compare it to baseball,

758
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: and there's there's people keeping you know, some of the

759
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: quote unquote steroid guys out of out of the Hall

760
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 3: of Fame because is their impression that those players would

761
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 3: not have performed at the level that they did were

762
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: it not for the what substance abuse and I don't

763
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 3: have enough expertise to go down that road too far,

764
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: but I know that that's the crux of their argument.

765
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: You can certainly disagree with that people we were doing that,

766
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: but like I think that that that's a little has

767
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more substance, you know, backing it than

768
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: to say we're gonna, you know, he was, we're gonna

769
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: be the gatekeepers of the morality of the game. And

770
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: because he was, you know, fined by the NFL and

771
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: and lost the draft pick for doing something, taking something

772
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: one step too far in trying to get an edge,

773
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 3: that that that somehow diminished the performance of his entire career.

774
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I would say he deliberately flouted the rules. The rules

775
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: allegedly exist for a reason. I know there were other

776
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: teams that are unhappy about it. Now that's been dismissed

777
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: by somebody that's just envy and jealousy. But again, well,

778
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to prove how many games it added,

779
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: if any. But you don't do it unless you think

780
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: you're gaining something from it. So therefore, I'll say again

781
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: for the fifth time, I'm not sure. I still wouldn't

782
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: have voted for him immediately if I was on that

783
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: committee or I had a vote. But I don't think

784
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: it's as outrageous as some people are business are making

785
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: it sound. If you decide to go some other direction

786
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: in that regard, I think this is like with any voting,

787
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: people have lost their minds. Same with the bond stuff.

788
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: I think reasonable minds can disagree on that. But what

789
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: bothers me is we have people in our business who

790
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: say no, no, not only those individuals need to be identified,

791
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: they need to be outed. We might need to add

792
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: more voters. They they they need, we need, we're in

793
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: charge of them. And that has that to me, is

794
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: not how real world works. When it comes to vote.

795
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: It's it's your vote. You can do with it what

796
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: you want.

797
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be fair, nobody has come forward publicly

798
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: and said that's why they didn't vote for him. Yeah,

799
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: and maybe like that, you know, that's too idealistic to think.

800
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: You know, there's been assumption, there's been reporting that that

801
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: was brought up in the room, right, but you know

802
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: whether that you know, whether somebody just I mean they

803
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: have debate, they have talking, you know, sometimes somebody.

804
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: Come up in the room, yeah, in deliteration.

805
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: And I and sometimes you bring up an objection, and

806
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: somebody says, and this is probably more about like x's

807
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: and o's, but like, somebody brings up an objection to

808
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: this person's resume, and somebody says, well, don't forget about

809
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: this and that, and they oh, okay, And so that's

810
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: that's a normal thing. And so it's to say it

811
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: was to report that it came up in the conversation,

812
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: like I don't. I mean, I'm not gonna I can't

813
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: say one way or the other whether somebody in the

814
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: room just one hundred percent didn't vote for the sole

815
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: reason that they believe Bill Belichick's resume is burnished by cheating.

816
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 3: But we we don't have anybody actually saying that yet. No.

817
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: Well, and I would say again, in this climate, it

818
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: ain't exactly easy to raise your hand and say, yeah,

819
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: I didn't vote for him. Yeah, because we have, like

820
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I said, these these puritans, these gatekeepers who've decided they

821
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: know what's best not just for themselves but for everybody else.

822
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: When it comes to a vote, you're gonna get so

823
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: that that individual I don't even know if it's a

824
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: matter of a lack of courage to come forward. I

825
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: think now it's I'm just going to get obliterated. What

826
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: that's not exactly, I think fostering a climate of okay,

827
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: go ahead and let us know one way or the other,

828
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: and we can we we can still say we think

829
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: you're wrong headed. We think that the that the resume

830
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: itself is such first balloty that material that work. This

831
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: is silly, but okay, it's it's your.

832
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: And and and the reason and people you might argue

833
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: with this, but I think that the reason that these

834
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: votes are kept they're supposed to be kept secret in

835
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: terms of the individuals is yes, is so that you

836
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: can vote without having to think about you know that

837
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 3: the retribution you might face or the sounds silly because

838
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: we're talking about sports, but like the retribution you might face,

839
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: or the criticism you might face, or the opportunities that

840
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: could be taken away from you. I guess, uh, if

841
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: you didn't vote in the way that the mass is

842
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: wanted you to vote, and you could flip it, and

843
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: I guess say, like if you're, if you're, you know,

844
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: it also gives you the right to carry out the

845
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: ability to carry out a grudge, yes, without any accountability.

846
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 3: I get that too, But but what but I think

847
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: if you know, and these guys voted, and these men

848
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 3: and women voted under the understanding that these votes would

849
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: remain secret. And so moving forward, if you want to

850
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: create change the process and say like your votes are

851
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: going to get out, so keep that in mind, I

852
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: think then that would be fair because everybody, if anybody

853
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: didn't like that, they.

854
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: Could they get design or leave.

855
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: And like, it's a little bit tough to retroactively demand

856
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: uh this, you know, this level of transparency when the

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Speaker 3: process promised a certain level of privacy for particular reasons.

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Speaker 1: Top of the hour break Kevin Seffert in studio for

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Speaker 1: the between three thirty and the bottom of this hour.

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Speaker 1: Kessler is scheduled to join at about five thirty tonight.

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Speaker 1: The texts coming will continue on this subject and then

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Speaker 1: get into some other National Football League slash Vikings related

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Speaker 1: items as well. When we continue