WEBVTT - Ken Broo in for Scott Sloan -- 11/28/25

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, to just stay up and watch it last night,

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<v Speaker 1>to just stay up and see it. The Bengals win.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, how many times have we been able

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<v Speaker 1>to say that this year? I'll tell you four. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow was back and everything seemed right in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything seemed as it was supposed to be. The bizarro

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<v Speaker 1>world that we have been living in for the last

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half three months. The bizarro world has

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<v Speaker 1>gone and now we are back on stolid t Era firma.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one game. I know, it's one game, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a matchup that probably came into four to two

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<v Speaker 1>at his time for the Bengals Division opponent, a Ravens

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<v Speaker 1>team that has been basically gasping on offense, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals pull out a thirty two to fourteen win. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was Joe Burrow's return from two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>almost three months of toe's surgery, and he and Chase

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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred percent on that field last night, but

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<v Speaker 1>you could just see it's going to be there sooner

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<v Speaker 1>than later. And now there's hope. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a false hope. All I know is this, if

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh loses this week, you got Pittsburgh at six and six,

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore at six and six, and the Bengals at four

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<v Speaker 1>and eight. Very doable, very doable at that point, two

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<v Speaker 1>games back with five games to go. But let's not

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<v Speaker 1>get ahead of ourselves. Let's spend some time reveling in

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<v Speaker 1>what went down last night in the thirty two fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>win over the Baltimore Ravens. Standing by the way in

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who knows more about football has forgotten more

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<v Speaker 1>about football than most of us know, someone who chronicles

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<v Speaker 1>it on a daily basis, several times on a daily

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<v Speaker 1>basis for cbssports dot Com. It's our great friend from

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<v Speaker 1>up near Columbus, Brian Diardo. How are you on this

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<v Speaker 1>glorious Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good, Cat. I think the only person doing

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<v Speaker 2>better than me today has to be Al Golden. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we can all agree on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about Burrow, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into what happened in the comeback and all the

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<v Speaker 1>excitement about that. But I'm glad you're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>with defense. A couple of things about this defense. One,

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<v Speaker 1>they took the ball away. I mean, you take the

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<v Speaker 1>ball away as many times as they did last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Odds are you're going to win the game. But I

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<v Speaker 1>went back and I did a little math. I did

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<v Speaker 1>a little, you know, a little research on this beyond

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<v Speaker 1>maybe what showed up today in the box score or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe what we saw last night. So the way I've

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<v Speaker 1>got it is the Ravens had the ball thirteen times.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen times last night, Brian six drives started with no

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<v Speaker 1>yards or less on first down. You put a team

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<v Speaker 1>on its heels on first down, you're not only going

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<v Speaker 1>to win the game, you're going to win that series.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they did. Six of the thirteen times

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<v Speaker 1>that Baltimore had the ball, they got zero yards or

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<v Speaker 1>less on first down. And I think that was huge

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<v Speaker 1>last night.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I entirely agree, and that I'm sure is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge reason why they were three of ten on possession downs.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you and that's an old saying. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>old Bill's.

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<v Speaker 2>Defensive coordinator they're going to all the Super Bowls in

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<v Speaker 2>the ninety would always say, you went on third down,

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<v Speaker 2>then you kicked bleep on third down. Bengals one first down,

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<v Speaker 2>and they certainly did kick bleep on third down as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, you're right, and you know they they really

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<v Speaker 2>took advantage of the Bengals deficient or the Ravens deficiencies

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<v Speaker 2>on offense. And that's what any any good, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>coordinator does, right, They look at the weaknesses of the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition and you look to exploit it. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>we can all agree that that lamar Is is really

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<v Speaker 2>physically compromised. He seems like he's on the injury report

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<v Speaker 2>with something new every week. I think this would get

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was a foot or toe injury, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's not going to run as much. And they absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>exploited that. And and the Ravens really never made the

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<v Speaker 2>necessary adjustments. And you know, I was doing a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of notes this morning too, and this doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>anything to do with the defense, but I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Say one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was interesting, you know, And I'm sure everybody watching

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday saw all the the honoring of John Madden, who

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<v Speaker 2>loved Thanksgiving was such an integral part of this day.

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<v Speaker 2>The final score last night of the game Bengals Ravens

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<v Speaker 2>was the score of John Madden's won Super Bowl win

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<v Speaker 2>with the Raiders way back in nineteen seventy seven, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two to fourteen. So thought that was kind of interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>but Yeah, Ken, that defense has been coming for a

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<v Speaker 2>while and they showed it last night. That two historic.

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<v Speaker 3>Things they did they do last night.

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<v Speaker 2>First time Lamars had three turnovers in four years and

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<v Speaker 2>the first time the Ravens put the ball on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground four times since two thousand and seven. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time ever in the John Harbaugh era

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<v Speaker 2>they have been that bad taking care of the football.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was two thousand and seven, was a game

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<v Speaker 1>against the Bengals. Look at Brian. I'm going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the second drive that the Ravens had in the first quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>This is with about four fifty to go in the

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<v Speaker 1>first quarter. The next in these ensuing drivesmbule punt, fumble, punt, fumble,

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<v Speaker 1>end of half. First drive in the third quarter punt,

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<v Speaker 1>then they score a touchdown, and then they end the

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<v Speaker 1>game interception, downs, fumbles, end of the game. If that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a stemied offense, I have no idea what it

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<v Speaker 1>would be. Now. I was looking at at Lamar Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>last night. He is reticent to run. It's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same Lamar Jackson we saw when he was completely healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the other thing that absolutely mesmerized or

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<v Speaker 1>lobotomized him was the packages that Al Golden put together. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>Golden is still I think, in this town to a

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<v Speaker 1>large extent, under the gun, but it seems like he

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of paired that defense down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>not grind to do too much, not trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>intricate in anything. Some of those are I mean, some

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<v Speaker 1>of those are good zero blitzes, some of those are

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<v Speaker 1>good stunts up front. All that's happening now, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't seem to be, shall we say, confusing the

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<v Speaker 1>players as much as it did in the first half

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<v Speaker 1>of this season. What has he done that you can

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<v Speaker 1>see that maybe has made this a less complicated defense

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<v Speaker 1>to grasp?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think you nailed it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think and Jason Garrett said it on the

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast last night, that that they're they're simplifying things. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's something that Tony Dungey said a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time ago when his Colts defense and OH six

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<v Speaker 2>was struggling and they asked him, you know you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to add in more to try to help because no,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, we're going to take away things from them

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<v Speaker 2>to simplify things. So I think he is he has

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<v Speaker 2>done that, And I think one thing too, he's And

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<v Speaker 2>this is I think one of the reasons why lou

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<v Speaker 2>Anna Rumo lost his job was the development of the

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<v Speaker 2>younger players, and that might be one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why that that he ultimately benched Logan Wilson and and

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<v Speaker 2>why they ultimately you know, traded him was because we

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<v Speaker 2>let's get development from the younger players. Case in point,

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<v Speaker 2>Demetrius Knight, who they they drafted. And now with obviously

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson being traded, he's and Jermaine Pratt being released, He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come up and play more. Had the interception,

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<v Speaker 2>the big interception last night, and then he's developing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>guys like dak Still, who I thought, can that breakup

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<v Speaker 2>on that deep path late in the game and it

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<v Speaker 2>was still a two possession game.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not a turnover.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a massive play and he didn't give up

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<v Speaker 2>on the play too. That was the catch all the way.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was his arm that dis watched the ball

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<v Speaker 2>was not a drop. So you know, they're getting really

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<v Speaker 2>good play from younger players. And Joseph Osai right, every

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<v Speaker 2>time I see him, can I think of that heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 2>moment against Joe Burrow in the AC Championship game a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago, he has two sacks. Last night he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting a turkey legs as one of the players of

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<v Speaker 2>the game. So I think he's getting a lot out

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<v Speaker 2>of the underdeveloped players that haven't maybe reached fruition yet

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<v Speaker 2>as far as their talent level. And he's simplifying things,

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<v Speaker 2>which is making them react faster. And again, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times it just comes down to, you know, putting

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<v Speaker 2>your players in position to take advantage of the weaknesses

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the of the ball. And

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<v Speaker 2>they also they're not giving up on plays either. The

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<v Speaker 2>fight in this team, and I do think that Al

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<v Speaker 2>Golden has a lot to say in that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they gave up some popcorn plays, the twenty eight yard

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<v Speaker 2>run by Henry early, the big play by Henry at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the third quarter. They never let it

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<v Speaker 2>add up and multiply it. It was never the domino.

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<v Speaker 2>They would fight continuously, and I think that was a

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<v Speaker 2>huge reason for their success.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Burrow. I mean, you can't understate what

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<v Speaker 1>he did in an attempt to come back early from surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>As he liked to say, for mere mortals, it's three

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<v Speaker 1>months and we'll figure out where we are, he said

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I just knew I was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>back sooner than that, and he came back. Now, you

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<v Speaker 1>look at his line last night, and you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four completions, forty six attempts to sixty one in yards,

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<v Speaker 1>two touchdowns. Here's the important thing. He wasn't sacked but

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<v Speaker 1>once in this game. So if you look at that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at Joe Burrow as a player, say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>those are pedestrian numbers, There's really not a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>you know that would stand out from that. Accept accept

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<v Speaker 1>he threw the ball forty six times last night. Forty

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<v Speaker 1>six times last night. For a guy coming off toe

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<v Speaker 1>surgery to be able to drop back or work out

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<v Speaker 1>of the gun or avoid the rush to throw forty

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<v Speaker 1>six times to me is amazing. This team looked so

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<v Speaker 1>much more comfortable. No, this is not a slap at Flacco.

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<v Speaker 1>Flacco energized this town and kept his team as best

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<v Speaker 1>he could have flown. But that team just looked so

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<v Speaker 1>much more energized and focused last night. It was almost

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<v Speaker 1>like Daddy's home, you know, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>it took on the look of what it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>take on you can't. There's so many different levels of

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<v Speaker 1>what Burrow brings to this team, but certainly that energy

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<v Speaker 1>I think is right up there with anything he did

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<v Speaker 1>last night statistically. A little bit about that, because everybody

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<v Speaker 1>looked like they were on top of their game last

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<v Speaker 1>night because he was back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I couldn't agree more. One other thing is super

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<v Speaker 2>quick on the defense. They're also just tackling better, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a simple thing to do, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like they've improved in tackling. But I will say, ken,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the only time myself eating last night is

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<v Speaker 2>when I saw that on the TV. At one point

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<v Speaker 2>he had forty two pass attempts. I was and here's

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing too, on twenty one completions, that's fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point, he was playing so much better than

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<v Speaker 2>his numbers would indicate. And I dare to say last

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<v Speaker 2>night was probably the most impressed I've ever been watching

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow play football. And I think I've seen all

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<v Speaker 2>of his regular season games, in all of his final

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<v Speaker 2>games the last year at LSU, it may have been

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<v Speaker 2>the most impressive given how long it's been since he's played.

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<v Speaker 2>Given you know, he started practicing what you know two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago on a limited capacity. And I know this,

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<v Speaker 2>This Ravens defense isn't the Steel Curtain, but like it's

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<v Speaker 2>still a formidable defense with a good secondary that's continuously

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<v Speaker 2>gotten better, and he shredded them. And to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the way he he led the offense, the way,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, Daddy's home, everybody's on top of their game,

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<v Speaker 2>the Christmas of the offense. And yeah, he throws were

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit off earlier in the game, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously to be expected. But and that's why a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times you can't just look at the box score

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<v Speaker 2>to define how a performance you know, had he had gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody that watched that game last night was including myself

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<v Speaker 2>obviously I was blown away. And that touchdown passed to

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<v Speaker 2>Yoshiv Ostrich, I think was kind of the Kaffer of

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<v Speaker 2>the game, you know, and the play that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>punched it. You cannot throw a football better than that,

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<v Speaker 2>And the line was great, his pocket presence was great.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also the sneak on fourth and one after

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't score early in the game when they had

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<v Speaker 2>ann in goal situation, that also I think showed the

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<v Speaker 2>toughness of him and hey, I've got this foot, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got the play itover.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm still a football player.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean the movement was great, the Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>was great, you know, and not having T Higgins again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they didn't have him, and you know p

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan and the complimentary running game that he had with

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Brown. It was it was a really cool thing

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<v Speaker 2>to see. Was the best offensive performance I've seen from

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<v Speaker 2>them in a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine different players caught passes from Joe Burrow last night,

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<v Speaker 1>distributing the ball very well. We're chatting with Briandardo cbssports

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com. In the NFL, it's always what's next, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of like a mini buy. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>play again until a week from Sunday at Buffalo. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, I'm scoping out remaining schedules here

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<v Speaker 1>and I think nine and eight is still in play

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<v Speaker 1>to win this division. Certainly after last night for the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still nine to eight. I'm looking at the road ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just take the big three Bengals, Baltimore, Pittsburgh. Baltimore

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<v Speaker 1>has got a rough road. I mean, they get Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>next week in Baltimore. That's always I mean that's hand

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<v Speaker 1>to hand combat right there. Then they have to come here.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they go home and play maybe the best team

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<v Speaker 1>in the AFC, the Patriots. Then they've got to go

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<v Speaker 1>on the road and play a Green Bay team that

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<v Speaker 1>looked terrific last night, and then they finished the season

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<v Speaker 1>at Pittsburgh. I don't like to handicap how many wins

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<v Speaker 1>are left in those games, those five games that they have,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm telling you, compared to what Pittsburgh plays and

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<v Speaker 1>compared to what the Bengals play, that's the roughest of

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<v Speaker 1>the three roads. And if that offense doesn't get back

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<v Speaker 1>on track for John Harbaugh, Baltimore may find itself not

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<v Speaker 1>winning the division. It could conceivably finish third in the division.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, Yeah, I don't think they're they will make

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs given their their current trajectory and not taking

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<v Speaker 2>anything away from the winning streak they just had, but

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't facing murderers row And now the hard part

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<v Speaker 2>of the schedules you allude to, it's coming up. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that their remaining schedule, the winning percentage is sixty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bengals is forty one, the Steelers is forty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>so they clearly have the hardest road ahead. And and

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, I think obviously these Steeler games for them,

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<v Speaker 2>they're of the division games obviously for them are huge.

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<v Speaker 2>They win those three games, they could get smashed by

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots and the Packers, and and they're gonna, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, win the division. They beat those three teams,

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<v Speaker 2>they finished with nine wins, they'll have the division. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, those those games are obviously going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the games determinate for them. But just beyond that, if

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<v Speaker 2>Lamar Jackson is not healthy and isn't running, and that

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<v Speaker 2>receiving corps isn't stepping up for him, and that defense

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<v Speaker 2>isn't isn't getting better, this team isn't isn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they will go as far as far

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<v Speaker 2>as making the playoffs. I do think they'll probably finish

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the eight win category. But but yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the other big thing too, Ken, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they barely used Derrick Henry last night. Sixty yards on

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<v Speaker 2>ten carries, but half of that was basically on one carry,

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<v Speaker 2>had the forty five yard catch and run. But they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a complimentary back from anymore. Justice Hill and

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<v Speaker 2>Gus Edwards used to do a lot of work for

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<v Speaker 2>them in the running game to complement Henry and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have that anymore. So they're missing that element of

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<v Speaker 2>a run. And you saw it last night with the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not afraid of Lamar Jackson running. Was the

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<v Speaker 2>last time you ever heard anybody say that. So until

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<v Speaker 2>they get those things fixed, I think that they could

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<v Speaker 2>backselight here in the last five games of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Now look at at Pittsburgh. You know, it's funny Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>made control who wins the AFC North Pittsburgh has got

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo at home on Sunday. Buffalo isn't the Buffalo of

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<v Speaker 1>years gone by. They've got some real holes on that team.

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<v Speaker 1>But it'll be interesting to see how Mike Tomlin's team

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<v Speaker 1>comes out on Sunday. And who's a quarterback is obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the other issue there for them. But then

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<v Speaker 1>they go to Baltimore Miami. You know, it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a layup, but who knows. And then at Detroit tough,

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<v Speaker 1>at Cleveland always tough, finished with the Ravens. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a really difficult schedule, and you compared to what the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals have left. They're at the Bills, they've played, you know, traditionally,

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<v Speaker 1>they've played well at Buffalo. They got the Bills, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're back home against Baltimore. We'll see where Baltimore's had

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<v Speaker 1>is that at that point. The last three games honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>they look like layups at Miami, against Arizona here and

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<v Speaker 1>then against Cleveland here. So yeah, I think the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>have a pathway to nine wins. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>the I think Buffalo controls whether or not they get

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<v Speaker 1>to nine, And obviously I think it is a large

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<v Speaker 1>say in whether or not Pittsburgh gets to nine wins.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, who knows how these play these games

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<v Speaker 1>play out. But I'll tell you this, as of this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>compared to yesterday morning, at least the ray of sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit brighter here. Could you foresee a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario of Cincinnati winning the AFC.

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<v Speaker 2>North, Yeah, especially if they get through these next two games.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill's Ravens then to your point, Yeah, I mean Bill's

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways kind of control potentially who wins the North.

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<v Speaker 2>But they get through these two games, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>three games left against you know, teams with four, three

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<v Speaker 2>and three wins respectively. There's no way I can see

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<v Speaker 2>them losing those games. Now, here's kind of the wildcard.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the name that everybody's been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>all year, Chaduere Sanders. So the Bagels play him week eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Steelers play them late in the season as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Week seventeen in Cleveland they just won. And

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<v Speaker 2>that defense with Miles Garrett, he's gonna break the stack

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<v Speaker 2>record this season, They've gotten a lot better. That defense

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<v Speaker 2>has been good all year. So I'm not drinking the

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<v Speaker 2>Sanders kool aid. But there is the kind of that

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<v Speaker 2>wildcard there of you know, what is he going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring this Browns team that's been missing, and so that

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<v Speaker 2>could be kind of they also, I think, are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to say and who wins this division? But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say, yeah, I think for the Bengals, these next

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks are are imperative. You win these games, you're

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<v Speaker 2>potentially in the driver's seat and the game to your point.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers at that cast, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to play this weekend. But yeah, neither neither

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<v Speaker 2>of these teams are trending this is such a winnable

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<v Speaker 2>division as long as Bengals can get through these next

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<v Speaker 2>two games.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Brian Diardo, you have helped keep hope alive here

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<v Speaker 1>in the Queens City. I think last night kept hope

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<v Speaker 1>alive for everybody. We're at Leeds who knows. It just

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<v Speaker 1>feels good to be able to talk about a win

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<v Speaker 1>after every single day after game here for the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months has been like Dresden. Now at least

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<v Speaker 1>there's a ray of sunshine out there, and we thank

0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you for helping us apply to sunblock this morning. You

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<v Speaker 1>stay well. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll visit down the road. Brian, stay well, you as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Ken.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Ryandardo cbssports dot com. I'm not ready to

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<v Speaker 1>annoy anything. I'm not ready to say anything except that

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<v Speaker 1>it's still got life. Nine twenty seven on this Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning and good luck if you're out there trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get Black Friday deals at any of these department stores.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as crazy as it used to be because

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<v Speaker 1>of the Internet, but I imagine it's a frenzy. On

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<v Speaker 1>news radio seven hundred w WELW. Whatever you do if

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<v Speaker 1>you go to a John Mellencamp concert. Make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>sing the right words or John will stop the show

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<v Speaker 1>and chastise you. I saw that happen at the Aradoff

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<v Speaker 1>Center a couple of years ago. Yes, actually that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw him again at well yeah, Riverbend two summers ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Mellencamp opened and he was phenomenal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>his band was tight, and he looked like he was

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<v Speaker 1>having a good time. A lot of times he's on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't look like he's having a good time. He

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<v Speaker 1>was having a good time and looked good, looked in

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<v Speaker 1>great shape. Bob Dylan came out after him. We were

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<v Speaker 1>sitting six rows back and I couldn't tell you six

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<v Speaker 1>words that Bob Dylan sang or said in that show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a different Bobdoe on these days. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it was Willie Nelson. And of course, if you can

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 1>see Willie Nelson at any age, and I would suggest

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<v Speaker 1>seeing him quickly, it's a fun show.

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<v Speaker 5>But there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>A little Jack and Diane on the show today. So

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<v Speaker 1>how did this alleged assassin, this Afghan get into our

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<v Speaker 1>country and shoot these two National guards men one woman,

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<v Speaker 1>one man in Washington, d C. How did he get

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<v Speaker 1>in and why was he in? And was anybody vetted

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<v Speaker 1>when they had that catastrophic invasion of our country under

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden. We'll get into that at ten oh six.

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<v Speaker 1>Also getting laid off. It is going to happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen a lot more in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six than it did in twenty twenty five. It just will.

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<v Speaker 1>AI is beginning to sink its teeth into a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of jobs, and it might be your job. But some

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.880
<v Speaker 1>companies are we out. Instead of bringing you into an

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<v Speaker 1>office and telling you how much she meant to the

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<v Speaker 1>company and thanking you for your service and giving you

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of check, some money to get you through

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<v Speaker 1>the next couple of months, which will be tough, this

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<v Speaker 1>would be life imitating art. Virtual layoffs. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you sit down in front of a computer and you

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<v Speaker 1>watch somebody at the other end of the computer tell

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<v Speaker 1>you your services are no longer needed. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>that movie with George Clooney in it about fifteen years

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<v Speaker 1>ago called Up in the Air? Promise in the movie

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<v Speaker 1>is he flies all over the country and just basically

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<v Speaker 1>lays people off. He's a hatchet man for a Corporate America,

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<v Speaker 1>and he teams with, not teams with he has an

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<v Speaker 1>affair with, but he teems and has this affair with

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who is doing the same thing, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>doing it virtually. One person is in a room, she's

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<v Speaker 1>in another room. They never meet. Well, listen, it's life

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 1>imitating art and it may bite you. How to know

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.760
<v Speaker 1>what it might be happening. We'll get into that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if you're out shopping today, know that you are

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<v Speaker 1>not spending as much money this year as you spent

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.199
<v Speaker 1>last year. You may think I'm gonna pretty much know

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.679
<v Speaker 1>there is now hard evidence that Black Friday is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like Black Fridays of years gone by,

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<v Speaker 1>and what does that mean for retail? And finally, the

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<v Speaker 1>game is tomorrow Michigan Ohio State. The one team standing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of Ohio State and an L perfecto regular

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<v Speaker 1>season is the Michigan Wolverines. This is a thorn in

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<v Speaker 1>the side of Ryan Day. This is a big thorn

0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.399
<v Speaker 1>in the side of Ryan Day, and he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to overcome it tomorrow. He pulled it off last year,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he lost and then he won the College

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<v Speaker 1>Football Playoff Championship. But if you don't beat Michigan, and

0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the boys downtown, as they say, are not happy that

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<v Speaker 1>and a UC game tomorrow against TCU. If they get

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<v Speaker 1>to eight wins, I think they get to a decent bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>and not a bowl game where they have to play

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<v Speaker 1>on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day all that before we're done.

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<v Speaker 1>So this game last night, I'm watching it and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to stay calm. I don't try to get too

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<v Speaker 1>high too low when things, you know, get get off

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<v Speaker 1>the rails. And I'm watching Burrow and I'm watching this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't believe with each ensuing snap that this

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:37.160
<v Speaker 1>guy had major surgery on his foot less than three

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>months ago, and he's out there running all over the field,

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:44.439
<v Speaker 1>throwing the ball downfield, spreading the ball to nine different

0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 1>receivers fourty six times twenty four of forty six, two

0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>sixty one. So after the game, during the scrum with

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the media, he was asked to great himself. Here's what

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>he had to say.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I thought second half, I started to put

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<v Speaker 6>it more where I wanted and settled in a little bit.

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 6>Certainly missed him throws early that I typically make. But

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<v Speaker 6>you know, after that, I felt felt pretty comfortable back there.

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.160
<v Speaker 6>I thought the on line did great, We ran it well.

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 6>Obviously defense played great, So I'm just gonna keep getting better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing. Last night was just the appetizer,

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and it was good that he had his buddy with him.

0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, Jamar Chase. You know the old line that

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Burrow had all cleaned it up for radio. You know,

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 1>with all else fails, just throw it up there, Jamar.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere fourteen targets for Chase last night. Chase with seven

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>catches one hundred and ten yards, that's about sixteen yards

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>a catch. Didn't catch one in the end zone. Asked

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<v Speaker 1>after the game, Degrade, how Joe.

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<v Speaker 7>Did overall feel like we could have capitalized a lot more.

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 7>I'm pretty sure he could say the same, but I said,

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<v Speaker 7>think he did a good job of just keeping him

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.199
<v Speaker 7>a minum going with he had opportunities to keep it

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 7>going and Captain Roizen on those situation for the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Late third quarter, late third quarter. This is a nineteen

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 1>fourteen game, Bengals by six twenty nine yards out Burrow

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to andre Yosi Vash that was with about fifteen seconds

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to go in the third quarter. Made the finals, made

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the score twenty six to fourteen, even though that was

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 1>a twelve point lead. With the way the Ravens were

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 1>so an apt on offense last night, largely due to

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals defense, I thought that was pretty much ballgame.

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>And as Burrow grated himself last night, he said afterwards,

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it was that particular pass where he thought he was

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:46.200
<v Speaker 1>at his best.

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<v Speaker 6>That touched on to Yoshi. I felt pretty good about it.

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.439
<v Speaker 6>Was put it right where I wanted it. Didn't exactly

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 6>spend it the way I wanted it, but that's all right.

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.679
<v Speaker 6>I put it, put in a good spot, and you

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<v Speaker 6>know he was ready for the look.

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<v Speaker 5>Bowen was down cover.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it felt good. And the other thing that I

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 1>you got to look at, and I'm not trying to

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 1>downplay Burrow coming back, but look at the field position

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>they had all night. And this again is largely because

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of the defense. I mean, the worst field position that

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they had last night was their own twenty yard line.

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Their own twenty yard line, they were getting the ball

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>out near the forty consistently all game, forty seventy yard

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.360
<v Speaker 1>line after an interception, forty eight after downs, thirty nine

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 1>after a punt. So when Zach was asked about Joe

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 1>last night, he said.

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<v Speaker 8>Our defense gave us the ability to do that. Our

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 8>defense gave him and our offense a chance to really

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 8>settle in and find our rhythm to really explore there

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 8>in the second half. And so Joe's done such a

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 8>great job handling as rehab, handling, the preparation for this

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 8>game gave us a lot of confidence. And then to

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<v Speaker 8>go there and be able to play on the road

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<v Speaker 8>in difficult circumstances, I thought was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So as you might expect in the other

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>locker room, it was a completely different story the Ravens

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>just they were inept on offense, and again a lot

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of it was due to the Bengals defense. Harbaugh said,

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>what the Bengals did defensively was not anything that they

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>did not expect. But you have your quarterback who was

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>intercepted once, you have four fumbles and you lose all

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of them, and your quarterback is responsible for three of them.

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 1>So you might imagine what John Harbaugh felt like after

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the game with all of those turnovers.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just one of those kind of games. I mean,

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 9>we had a bad game with that. You know, we

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.959
<v Speaker 9>did not protect the football. It's not good. You know,

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 9>it's it's on me. I'm a coach, you know, and

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 9>my job is to make it clearity of the guys.

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<v Speaker 9>That's not okay. You know, you put the ball away.

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 9>You protected football. That's how it's done. And you know,

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 9>you catch it, you put it away, you finish that,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 9>you finish the run, You do whatever you got to

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 9>do to protect the football because that's job one. I mean,

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.919
<v Speaker 9>that's that's what wins and loses games. Our guys know that.

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 9>Everybody knows it, and it's my responsibility to make sure

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 9>they understand that. And then we practice it that way

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 9>every single day and it carries over to the game.

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they've had problems protecting the football in Baltimore,

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of historically. I mean, Derrick Henry has had

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 1>problems protecting the ball. He didn't finish, he didn't fumble

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>last night. And another thing, this goes back to what

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about with Yardo. Twelve times the Ravens

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>got the ball last night. They got the ball last

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>night in twelve was twelve or thirteen thirteen times? Thirteen

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>times they got the ball last night. Six six drives

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>started with zero or fewer yards. You put a team

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in the hole on first down, chance says, ay you're

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 1>winning on third down. The turnovers were bad, but a

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of it was because I think of this relentless

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:13.479
<v Speaker 1>pressure that they put on Lamar Jackson. You can almost

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>tell that Jackson wasn't expecting it. You know, Harbaugh said, yes,

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>we knew about it and all that. Of course, that's

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 1>what a coach is going to say. He's not going

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>to say you didn't see that coming and make him

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>look like a dummy. But it was just relentable, and

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Osai in particular was absolutely outstanding. You know, you

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>wait for games like this and you hope that this

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>becomes a consistency thing with him. But Osi last night

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:44.719
<v Speaker 1>four tackles, three solo, two sacks, two FuMB tackles for loss.

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>He hit the quarterback, he hit Jackson four times, and

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>he fought forced to fumble. Even he was crowing about

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the turnovers. Yeah, exactly, exactly, And it only takes one.

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<v Speaker 7>Everybody knows when it comes to the football, they come

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 7>in a bunch of it only takes one.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's exactly what happened today.

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<v Speaker 10>And that's just giving the younger.

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 7>Guys hope to keep working at it, keep working other things.

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>You know that the top secure of the punch that tip.

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<v Speaker 3>Get your knnds up.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>If you're not getting it to the rest, get.

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 5>Your hands up.

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 3>You can tip a past change the games.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what happened. So it's good to see

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>for third, that's exactly what happened. And Lamar Jackson looked

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>like a shell of himself. He's not right. I can

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>tell you he's not right. He's not running as strongly

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>as he is run in the past. And now he's

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>got a toe problem. Now he's had an ongoing knee problem,

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>just getting over a hamstring problem. But you look at

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>his line seventeen to thirty two two hundred and forty

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>six yards. Three times, he was sacked three times, he

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>gave the ball up and he was intercepted once. I

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>mean literally, it looked like it was his first day

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in a football uniform yesterday. So here he was after

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the game.

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<v Speaker 10>I can't describe the level of frustration. You know, I'm

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 10>ticked off. You know, it's not even fuss with them

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 10>his mac like I said, okay, have to it turned

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 10>over a bit part of winning losing games and turning

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 10>the ball over giving them an extra possession.

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>This is the outcome. That was the outcome, and now

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's on the Buffalo a week from Sunday. They have

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>beaten Buffalo up there, regardless of weather. Buffalo is not

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the Buffalo of what we remember. They've lost some games

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>this year and have looked poorly doing it. Josh Allen

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>has looked suspect in several games this year. Buffalo is

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>still a good team, don't get me wrong. And Buffalo

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>has got to go to Pittsburgh this week and then

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>play the Bengals a week from Sunday. Buffalo is going

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to have a very large hand as to who wins

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the AFC North. But the Bengals now are four and eight.

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.239
<v Speaker 1>There are three and one inside the division, four and

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>four inside the conference. Does nine wins win that division?

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>If if Pittsburgh wins on Sunday, I think nine wins

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>won't do it. I think Pittsburgh can get I think

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh can get the ten wins if they win on Sunday,

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>because they played Miami, they played Cleveland, and they played

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the Ravens twice. But Pittsburgh is a shaky team too,

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>as we know, as for the Bengals, you know, I

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>mean it's winning, move on, Just win and move on.

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just one more game. That's what Zach Panter had

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to say.

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 8>We're just gonna keep fighting one week at a time.

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 11>I know.

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 8>We got Buffalo ten days from now. That's our focus.

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 8>We just try to control that. Don't worry about the

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.479
<v Speaker 8>big picture right now. Just keep taking one game at

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 8>a time. This is the exact position we were in

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 8>last year, you know, and so unfortunately we've been here.

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 8>We know how to dig our way out of it,

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 8>and that's what's going to take.

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>We'll see if they had lost last night, different conversation.

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>But they win, it's still very much a possibility. Probability,

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe not possibility. Yes, Baltimore's schedule is ridiculously tough. They

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>go to Pittsburgh a week from Sunday, then they're out

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>here a week after that. Then they go home and

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>play the best team at least at this point in

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the AFC, maybe the NFL, the Patriots. Then they got

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>to finish the season at Green Bay and at Pittsburgh. Meanwhile,

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals bill's next Baltimore here at Miami. Miamy's playing better,

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>but that should be a win home against Arizona. They've

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>already started to warm up the cars for the end

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of the season. And then here against Cleveland could be

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Shadoor Sanders probably will be, will be Miles Garrett. It

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.719
<v Speaker 1>won't be a layup. But you would think if they

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>get by the next two, they're in pretty darn good

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>shape in a division that is not as strong as

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone thought it would be. But all you got to

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>do is just win it. It is coming up on

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>nine four. How did that alleged assassin from Afghanistan get

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and stay in this country? And how many more are

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>running around this country just like him? Who do we

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>blame for that? And how do we fix it? It

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<v Speaker 1>is nine fifty five. It is Friday, ken Brew for

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Scott Sloan News Radio seven hundred WLW Black Friday. You're

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>out and about with the masses. Good luck. We feared

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>this was coming when Joe Biden opened the borders and

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>let anybody into this country, not just from the southern borders,

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>but airlifts from Afghanistan. We feared that a lot of

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the people that came into this country were not here

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<v Speaker 1>to say, let's just say, integrate themselves into the American

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Way and try to become good Sidney Sins. There was

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>no vetting the southern border was invaded, all under the

0:33:55.720 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>auspices of Joe Biden and his band of merry men

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that presided over this country for four years. And then

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of course there was the airlived from Afghanistan, when there

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>was just that absolutely horrific, tragic and embarrassing pull out

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>from a country that we have been involved with militarily

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and financially, and from at least on a certain level,

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to tamp down terrorism over the course of the

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>last forty years. And now we've seen what might have

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>been a fallout of that. Two National Guardsmen on duty

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>for our country in Washington, DC were shot on Wednesday night.

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>One Sarah bectram A Bekstrum of West Virginia, has died

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and the man accused of attache Bekskrum and another guardsman

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was identified as a twenty nine year old Afghan by

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 1>the name of Rama Noula La Khanwall. He was taken

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>in to custody after the attack. He apparently drove from

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Washington State cross country to Washington, DC with the intent

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of shooting and killing Americans in the uniform and in

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>this case National guardsman, he used the three point fifty

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>seven Smith and Wesson revolver and quite frankly, who didn't

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>see this coming? Now? Of course, the Democrats who hate

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Trump and everything is Trump's fault. If a dog takes

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 1>a dump on your front lawn and the owner doesn't

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>clean it up, they blame Donald Trump. They're saying, well,

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, wait a minute now, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, right,

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden let him in the country. But forget about

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 1>that for a second. Donald Trump and his administration greater

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>than asylum, great of this person asylum and all these

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.919
<v Speaker 1>other Afghans that are in this country running around God

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>knows where, thinking about God knows doing what it was.

0:35:55.120 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>It was Donald Trump who gave them asylum. Really is

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the story here? And is there someone to blame? And

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>if it is, let's find out. Andrew Arthur is someone

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>who is well esteemed, well versed in all things immigration.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>He writes for the Center for Immigration Studies CIS dot

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Org is where you can find his work, as well

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>as others that are just absolutely terrific in chronicling what

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>has happened to this country from an illegal immigration standpoint.

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Over the last five years, and he's kind enough to

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>carve out some of his time to be with us

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>here today on seven hundred WLWWN Andrew Arthur, how are

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>you on this glorious Friday.

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 12>Get I'm doing great. I wish we had a better

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 12>topic to talk about. I wish we were talking about

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 12>Ohio State versus Michigan. But unfortunately we're not.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.720
<v Speaker 1>We are not, Andrew, we are not all right. So look,

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>we all saw the retreat from Afghanistan. It happened very

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>early in Joe Biden's administration. Thirteen brave Americans were killed.

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>They were brought back to Dover. That's how they arrived

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>back in the country. Biden stood there looking at his

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 1>watch trying to figure out how long it was until

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>ice cream. And that happened very early in his administration.

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, August of twenty twenty one, and

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>now here we have on that airlift. We have a

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of people that were in Afghanistan that were just

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>shoved into airplanes sent to this country, admittedly not vetted

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>with in person interviews. That was an admission by may Orcus,

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>who expertly presided over the demise of DHS over the

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 1>last four years. And here we have what happened today.

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Whose fault is it that this guy that had gotten

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>down to National guardsmen in Washington, d C. This twenty

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>nine year old Rama Nula la Conwell, Whose fault is

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>it that he is in this country?

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 12>Well, Ken, you have to go back to the beginning.

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 12>You have to go back to September eleventh. The reason

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 12>that we were in Afghanistan was because Osama bin Laden

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 12>was sheltered by the Taliban, by the religious fundamentalists who

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:18.840
<v Speaker 12>had taken over the country of Afghanistan. We went into

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 12>Afghanistan and we allied with certain groups that were opposed

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 12>to Taliban there and you know, by and large we

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 12>managed to drive the Taliban out of Kabul, out of

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 12>the major cities, but we never really had control of

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 12>the country. Again, we you know, allied with certain groups

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 12>that were in that country, and you know, purportedly those

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 12>individuals were vetted. But if you remember a phrase that

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 12>was common at the time, green on blue attacks, those

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 12>were attacked by our purported Afghan allies who had purportedly

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 12>been vetted, who you know, then attacked NATO forces, including

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 12>American forces in the Hindu Kush and those were, you know,

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.280
<v Speaker 12>rather me your black eyes for the Department of Defense

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 12>at the time, who were supposed to be doing all

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 12>this setting Now, the vetting that you could do in

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 12>Afghanistan is only as good as the information that.

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 3>You have, and well, given the.

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 12>Parloist nature of Afghanistan since the nineteen eighties, there really

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 12>was a lot of good information to go on, which

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 12>is how we had those green on blue attacks. But

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 12>nonetheless we began giving out visas special immigrant thesas to

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 12>you know, Afghans who had served in the United States.

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 12>That brings us up to August to twenty twenty one,

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 12>the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, when one hundred and twenty

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 12>four thousand people putting six thousand United States citizens but

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.840
<v Speaker 12>under twenty four thousand, largely in vetted people were packed

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 12>onto I think it was c. Seventeens and flown out

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 12>of Kamid Karzai Airport. We'd actually abandoned our own airport

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 12>at that time in Afghanistan. So they were flown to

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 12>what were called lily pads in the Middle East and

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 12>in Europe, and vetting was supposed to take place, you know,

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 12>before any of those people were sent on to what

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 12>were called safe.

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Havens in the United States.

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:08.479
<v Speaker 12>The problem, as the Department of Defense Inspector General found

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 12>in February of twenty twenty two, was that half of

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 12>those people, the ones who were vetted by DHS not DoD,

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 12>weren't actually thoroughly vetted. They weren't thoroughly vetted against DoD resources,

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 12>and those people had already been released into the United States. Now,

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 12>mister lockanal actually did you know? He was eligible for

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 12>one of those special immigrant pieces, but he didn't get it.

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 12>That's a rather lengthy process. So instead of that, he

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 12>applied for asylum in the United States and he was

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 12>granted that in April. The problem, again, Ken, is that

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:42.959
<v Speaker 12>vetting is only as good as the.

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Information that you have available.

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 12>And with respects to you know, a lot of those people,

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 12>I can't tell you how many, because we're never going

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 12>to know. We really don't have the ability to vet

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.399
<v Speaker 12>any of them, and you know.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 3>We don't really know the background.

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 12>We don't really know whether they were with the towel

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 12>ban or whether they were pro American.

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.320
<v Speaker 3>This particular event hits very.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.240
<v Speaker 12>Close to home for me because the Farragut West Metro

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 12>where this shooting took place is actually the one that

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 12>I take when I go to my office on Key

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 12>Street in Washington, DC. Very familiar with it and I

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 12>always say hey to the to the National Guardsmen who

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 12>are there, and I thanked him for being there, and

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 12>you know, I'm more grateful now. I don't think that,

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 12>you know, and again we're it's going to take us

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 12>a while to figure this out. I don't necessarily think

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 12>that he just meant to.

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Kill National guardsmen.

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 12>That's a very busy metro and it's the one that

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 12>serves the White House.

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, but he did, and although he came, he

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 1>was although six thousand I think what you said were

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>United States citizens that were on those planes that carried

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and thirty four thousand people out From what

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm from what I'm reading here, people were just being

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>shoved into planes. There was no vetting. Then they went

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 1>to these lily pads, as you mentioned, and they were

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 1>all over Europe and some of them wound up here

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.240
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. So the Conwall dude was running around.

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Nobody knew who he was. From what we were we're

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>being told he was living in Squalor in Bellingham, Washington.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>There were no beds in the place. They were sleeping

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>on floors. And the family that he brought over here with,

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and there were certainly a large number of people who

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>are Afghan nationals that fought alongside the United States servicemen

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to try and preserve some order of peace in Afghanistan.

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>But by and large, this was an ideology of the

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Biden administration to just let anybody in and here come

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the Afghans. You know, well, you know, the Chinese and

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the Venezuelans and the Colombians are coming through the southern border.

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>That's taken care of. Now let's get some Afghans over here.

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>So he's running around the country doing god knows what

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>he's in this country, and I believe you said in

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 1>April he was granted asylum. Now the Democrats are arguing

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that this is Trump's fault, that it was the Trump

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:01.439
<v Speaker 1>administration that granted him asylum. Trump is saying, well, wait

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a minute. I mean, the laws are structured the way

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they are. We had no choice, you can't find it.

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>We had to give him asylum. So at some point

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the finger pointing has to intersect. And I'm hearing two

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>different arguments here. So if Biden led him into the country.

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Is Trump responsible for letting him stay inside the country?

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>How does that work? Andrew?

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, absolutely not.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 12>You know, to be granted asylum, all you have to

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 12>do is show well founded fear and well, if you

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 12>served in any capacity with the United States, it's fair

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 12>to say that the Taliban is probably going to harm you.

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 12>But simply because you've been granted asylum doesn't mean you've

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 12>been vetted. And those immigration judges, and remember I was one,

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 12>they're relying upon the information that the government presents, and

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 12>the government is relying upon the information that our intelligence

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 12>agencies present. And you know, I don't want to sound

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.240
<v Speaker 12>good about a situation in which you know, one person

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 12>was wounded, one died, but that vetting process truly is

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 12>a garbage in, garbage out process. If we don't know

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 12>anything about these people, if we know the attacks have

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 12>taken place on our servicemen in Afghanistan, and then we

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 12>you know, load people higgleby Piggley and apparently you know,

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 12>Biden had given the order he wanted those planes overloaded.

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 3>We didn't.

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 12>We weren't able to vet those people when we were

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 12>bringing them out. You can remember the pictures, you know,

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:32.880
<v Speaker 12>This was a patchwork process, and it was one again

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:36.240
<v Speaker 12>that you know, not yesterday. Back in February of twenty

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:39.720
<v Speaker 12>twenty two, the Department of Defense Inspector General was warning

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 12>that this was a danger to the United States. And

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.399
<v Speaker 12>I think that the Trump administration has taken the right

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 12>move here at this time. It's not really closing the

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 12>barn door, but it's identifying that you've got a problem

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 12>you need to resolve. Yeah, they want to loading down

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.359
<v Speaker 12>all of those asylum applications right now until we can

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 12>get better information or move those folks someplace out.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, they want the the president wants to revet some

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>people that weren't vetted in the first place. They want

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 1>us to revent who's in this country. You're you're going

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and find it was one hundred and

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty six thousand, less eight thousand that worked for the government,

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe another two thousand, let's let's be more generous,

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 1>there maybe another five thousand that fought side by side

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.800
<v Speaker 1>with Americans. So if you're going to go ahead and

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 1>try and find one hundred and twenty thousand Afghans that

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>are in this country, some of whom may be here

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to do harm, some of whom may be here just

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to assimilate into society. Who knows he's not going to

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>be able to do that, is he He's not going

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to be able to rout all these people up, is he?

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 11>No?

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 12>But the one thing that he can do is stop

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 12>the process at this point, prevent them from getting permanent

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.720
<v Speaker 12>status in the United States. And you know, it's important

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 12>to note en there's a lot of untapped DoD intelligence

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 12>that we had. If there was an ied we would

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 12>pick up fingerprints from it. There was intelligence that we

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 12>had received on the ground. We spent trillions with the

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 12>key in Afghanistan, and that's you know, probably one of

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 12>the most shameful situations that came out of all of this.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 12>But we do have information. It's now up to the

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 12>Director of National Intelligence to you know, shepherd all of

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.399
<v Speaker 12>that information together, to take it from the various three

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.760
<v Speaker 12>letter agencies, and to you know, compile it for every

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 12>person that comes across. Some of those people can are

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 12>not going to be able to resettle in this country.

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.279
<v Speaker 12>We will end up having to move them out. But

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 12>compare this, contrast this to the way that this you

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 12>know that a program like this would normally happen we

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 12>wouldn't put these people on planes and fly them to

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 12>the United States. We would send them to refugee camps

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 12>that we would pay for in countries.

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 3>Like Pakistan, you know, which is a nominal ally of

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:51.800
<v Speaker 3>the United States.

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 12>And it's only at that point that we would actually,

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 12>you know, go through that vetting process on the ground

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.080
<v Speaker 12>close to where all of this happened. We're going to

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 12>be relying upon a lot of our allies in the

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 12>region to give us additional information. We're also going to

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 12>be relying upon a lot of our allies in the

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 12>region to take these people, to put them into refugee

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 12>camps so that they can be properly processed. Don't be

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 12>surprised that that's not the next stage of this, of

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 12>this entire scheme that the President is crafting. And you know,

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 12>I insistate that there will be a more fulsome vetting,

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 12>and I got a feeling that we're going to find

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 12>some pretty bad actors as a result of that point.

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think you're right, and you're right when

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you said a couple of minutes ago, garbage in, garbage

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>out on vetting. Where do you go to find information

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>on a farmer who was in the hills of Afghanistan

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and nobody knows who the hell he is, and now

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden he's running around the United States

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.279
<v Speaker 1>of America because he was airlifted here. I mean, the

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 1>information on a lot of these guys and women have

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to be pretty sketchy at best.

0:47:55.840 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 12>Right, Yeah, absolutely, especially when you're talking about Afghans, because

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 12>you know, you have a date of birth, and that

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 12>is a marker that will follow you for the rest

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 12>of your life when you talk about Afghanistan. And I've

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 12>seen you know, keep in mind, I used to, you know,

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 12>head up the National Security Law Division at the I

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 12>and S. A lot of these people don't actually have

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:19.839
<v Speaker 12>dates of birth like you and I do. Their date

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 12>of birth is January one, you know, because the year

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 12>that you were born.

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Is your birthday.

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 12>And so you know, we our ability to know anything

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 12>about those people is difficult.

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 3>They can change their names very easily.

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.800
<v Speaker 12>And you know, the Taliban isn't giving us any information

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.879
<v Speaker 12>out of Afghanistan today, So we are wholly relying upon

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.760
<v Speaker 12>the information that we gathered when we were on the ground.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.720
<v Speaker 12>We're relying upon the information that our allies in the region,

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 12>you know, are going to be giving us. But yeah,

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 12>I mean this, this truly is one of those situations

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.240
<v Speaker 12>where you're looking for a black book in the middle

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 12>of the night.

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 1>In a lot of these cases, Andrew Arthur, We're we

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 1>are going to pay for what happened in the last

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 1>five years with regards to what Biden did to this

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 1>country in terms of who got in and no vetting

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and an open Southern board. We're going we are going

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>to pay for this for decades. And it's not going

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to be every day. It just has to be one

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 1>day every so often. And unfortunately that one day was

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>in was in this week on Wednesday for those two

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 1>National guardsmen. I can't you and I have talked enough

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>over the last few years to know that we're in

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a situation right now in this country. We've got to

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:34.319
<v Speaker 1>find out who people are and in the why they're here,

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 1>what they want to do, and in the process we

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>have to not only work around judges, we have to

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>work around local officials like mayors and governors who don't

0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>want that kind of information out and want to keep

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>these people here and are working not in concert with

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the United States but against the United States. This is

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.359
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a laborious, difficult process. I

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 1>think Andrew that's going to take decad aid. Would you

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 1>agree we lost Andrew? Okay, nevertheless, that's how I feel

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:10.720
<v Speaker 1>it will be. I hope I'm wrong. US Attorney General

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Pambondy said yesterday on Thanksgiving they will seek the death

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>penalty for this rama. Noula Lachuanal, who is the alleged

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:26.360
<v Speaker 1>gunman in the shooting. One of the guardsmen, Sarah Beckstrom

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:32.239
<v Speaker 1>of West Virginia, has already died. The other is in

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 1>critical condition. His name is Andrew Wolf. She's going to

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:39.920
<v Speaker 1>seek the death penalty in the US District Court of Washington,

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.399
<v Speaker 1>d C. To Pambondi, I say good luck getting that,

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>but at least you have to pursue it. It is

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>ten twenty six on this Friday, news radio seven hundred

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 1>WYLW got scared for a moment. I thought that was

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 1>a readout of some ekg I was taking welcome back

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred well w ken Brew for Scott Sloan on

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.160
<v Speaker 1>this day after Thanksgiving. But you are with us. I

0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>don't say that capriciously because without you, who would I be?

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I would be simply one man sitting in a room

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 1>babbling to himself incoherently, Why would I have to leave

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:21.760
<v Speaker 1>home to do that eleven o'clock. If you're out shopping today,

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.839
<v Speaker 1>know this not just you, but everyone else spending less

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>on Black Friday this year. And why, Well, I guess

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 1>the easy answer is the economy. But we'll attempt to

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>dive deeper into the wise coming up at eleven oh six.

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>It's never an easy day when you are laid off

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 1>or fired, just isn't. In fact, it's probably one of

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the worst days in your life. You would like to

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.320
<v Speaker 1>think that it's not an easy thing for the person

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:52.879
<v Speaker 1>who is doing the laying off for firing, but they

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>will have a job at the end of the day

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.959
<v Speaker 1>and you will not. But there's one way to deal

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 1>with it that would be at least you, and another

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.359
<v Speaker 1>way to deal with it that is increasingly becoming more

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.800
<v Speaker 1>popular and less humane, and that is virtually laying off

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:14.760
<v Speaker 1>or firing somebody. Amazon is an example. Amazon began laying

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>off fourteen thousand employees last month, and a lot of

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.359
<v Speaker 1>the people who were being laid off learned of their

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 1>fate by a text or perhaps a zoom call telling

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>them that their services are no longer needed. Now The idea,

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of course, for the company is to communicate the bad

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 1>news as quickly as possible, but it does seem a

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>little inhumane to do it the way Amazon is doing it.

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:44.040
<v Speaker 1>It is really life imitating art. Remember that movie back

0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:47.440
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and nine, I think it starred George

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Clooney called Up in the Air. He was basically a

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 1>corporate hatchman, and he would hatchet man, and he would

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 1>fly from city to city doing the dirty work that

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:58.360
<v Speaker 1>people in the C suite did not want to do.

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>And it eventually came a part of the plot where

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it was being done by conference call, not even a

0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 1>face to face meeting. Anyway. Amazon has had some problems

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>with this, glitches and zoom calls and things like that,

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and it leads one to wonder, why don't you just

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:20.760
<v Speaker 1>have the compassion and offer the dignity of telling someone

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>face to face that their services are no longer needed.

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Someone else who's wondering about this is my next guest.

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.920
<v Speaker 1>He is John Bowerman. He is the co founder of

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Stealth Consulting, and he has written books about this, including

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 1>one that was geared towards his children to help them

0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>understand what the big bad cruel world is like when

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you go out there, the book is, You're not lost,

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>You're just starting. As we start our interview today with

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>John Bowerman, how are you on this glorious Friday.

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm doing good.

0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm glad you're with us here. Look, I'm sure

0:53:57.800 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you saw the movie back in two thousand and nine

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 1>right up in the air. George Clooney was in it,

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and it was a movie built around the same topic

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 1>where companies just virtually fire employees. They don't do it

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.800
<v Speaker 1>face to face. They do it either by a conference

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>call or whatever it may be. When did we get

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to be so impersonal about telling somebody that their services

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 1>are no longer needed.

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 4>I know, as soon as we tipped over the edge of.

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:38.800
<v Speaker 13>Describing easy as efficiency, unfortunately, you know, unfortunately had to

0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 13>let go several hundred people, and over the course of

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:47.359
<v Speaker 13>a few decades. There's several different companies and in each

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 13>one still I believe that you have to show up

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 13>and treat people as human and even if that process

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 13>only takes sixty to ninety seconds, you still owe it

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.240
<v Speaker 13>to the people at your.

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Company as opposed to efficiency. Sometimes easy is efficient, as

0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you well know. But this seems like the coward's way

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>out to do this. You're right, these are people that

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.319
<v Speaker 1>have real lives and real people depending on them, and

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the network that goes out from those other people extends

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 1>ad infinitums. So I'm just easy can be efficient delineate

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the two if you could?

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:28.800
<v Speaker 13>For us, absolutely, And it's also very short sighted because

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:33.880
<v Speaker 13>in the short term it feels like, well, okay, we're going.

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 4>To be able to virtually.

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 13>Eliminate even if it was one hundred positions, and instead

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.400
<v Speaker 13>of having to have ten minute phone call set up,

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:45.440
<v Speaker 13>we're just going to send it.

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:46.160
<v Speaker 4>Out in mass.

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 13>And what's really shortsighted about that is two things.

0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 4>One is your reputation.

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:57.320
<v Speaker 13>So if you are if someone has a great experience,

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 13>they're going to tell one other person, if they have

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 13>a awful experience, they're going to tell one hundred. So

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 13>you're looking at just what is this, how is this

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.240
<v Speaker 13>going to affect one hundred people, and not thinking about

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 13>how's this going to affect one hundred times one hundred

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:17.280
<v Speaker 13>people is one and two, what you're doing is also

0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:23.680
<v Speaker 13>opening up the door for very costly problems. So people

0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 13>we look at technology today as it never goes wrong,

0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 13>I've seen it numerous times, especially in these kind of

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 13>circumstances where the wrong people get on the list, and

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.879
<v Speaker 13>now all of a sudden is you're opening yourself up

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:42.239
<v Speaker 13>to potentially losing great people that you never intended to

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 13>in the first place, all in the name of efficiency.

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:50.480
<v Speaker 4>That doesn't happen when you're showing up in person.

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>How prevalent is this? This virtual these virtual firings or layoffs.

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:02.240
<v Speaker 1>And I'm reading where Amazon laid off like fourteen thousand

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 1>employees last month, and some learned of their faith by

0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a text message telling them to consult their inboxes, which

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is pretty danged to cold. But I'm just are are

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>more companies than not doing this? And I would guess

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 1>it would be larger companies. It would be hard. I

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:23.040
<v Speaker 1>would think for somebody that has maybe one hundred employees

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to do this, I mean they could, but it certainly

0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>would ramp it through that company and probably lead to

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other people leaving on their own. But

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 1>these bigger companies, how prevalent is this, these these virtual

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 1>firings in virtual layoffs.

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:44.040
<v Speaker 13>Typically you only see this in large enterprises. I think

0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 13>in your medium, medium to small business you would rarely

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 13>see a virtual laugh.

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 4>But you know people are But I see.

0:57:56.080 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 13>That shift happening where it's will become more common occurrence

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 13>the smaller and smaller the company. And here's the excuse

0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 13>that's being put out there is that, well, this is

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 13>what the next generation prefers. The next generation would prefer

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.120
<v Speaker 13>not to have a phone call, would prefer not to

0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:23.960
<v Speaker 13>be on camera, and so that represents the justification. All

0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:28.640
<v Speaker 13>we're doing is giving the people what they prefer, and

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 13>that is a you know, unfortunately, is a really misguided excuse,

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:39.920
<v Speaker 13>because no one prefers that one of the most pivotal

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 13>moments in their in their life, uh to not be

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:47.720
<v Speaker 13>treated uh that is if they matter, and it should.

0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 13>It should correlate with the expectation that they've had every day.

0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 13>Maybe they've been there for a year or two years

0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 13>and they've been expected to show up every day and

0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:01.680
<v Speaker 13>this one very uh pivotal.

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Moment you need to be able to show up for them.

0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a chicken crap way to end unemployment, it really is.

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just shows it's cutlass, is what it is.

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't want that C suite position, then

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.360
<v Speaker 1>don't take the difficult things that come along with it,

0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and the difficult things are always keeping the investors or

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the board or whatever happy. You You have to create

0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.240
<v Speaker 1>a workplace environment if you want people to buy in,

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to create an environment where they buy in and they're

0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 1>not constantly worried about whether or not they're they're going

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to have a job. But I'm going to offer something here, John,

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if it's it comes out the

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 1>way I wanted to. But we have become a less

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 1>personal society since the invention of personal technology, whether it

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:55.760
<v Speaker 1>be Twitter, whether it be emails, whether it be i Ams,

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. And the younger as as we

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>become younger in the corner suite, we become populated in

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.760
<v Speaker 1>that corner suite, and therefore in middle management with younger

1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:10.640
<v Speaker 1>people who grew up on two hundred and eighty characters

1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:14.160
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to face to face meetings, for using a

1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 1>phone simply to text, as opposed to talk. And I'm

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.800
<v Speaker 1>just wondering if this isn't all a product of just

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:23.320
<v Speaker 1>where we are as a society. What do you think?

1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:30.280
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, that's interesting because in many ways it's contradictory. So

1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 13>we are, you know, we're past the age of industrialization.

1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:39.360
<v Speaker 13>We're living now in the age of authenticity. People want

1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 13>authenticity more than ever. We don't want to see the

1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.520
<v Speaker 13>stock photo. We want to see what we're really going

1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:50.360
<v Speaker 13>to get. You see the emergence of craft versus mass production,

1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:55.000
<v Speaker 13>and it's what people want. They want the real thing

1:00:56.280 --> 1:01:02.080
<v Speaker 13>this and while technology enables that, owing virtual on things

1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:06.200
<v Speaker 13>like this really goes against what people are really craving,

1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.840
<v Speaker 13>which is connection and authenticity.

1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:11.520
<v Speaker 5>We're you know, we're.

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.360
<v Speaker 13>More connected and feel less connected more than ever.

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:18.440
<v Speaker 1>You said something a couple of minutes ago. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the things that you said that that

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<v Speaker 1>really stuck out with me is that when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a bad experience, whether it's at work, whether it's at

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant, department store, wherever it may be, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a bad experience, you won't be shy about telling

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<v Speaker 1>other people. If you have a good experience, chances are

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to tell anybody. You'll just have that experience,

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<v Speaker 1>say hey, that was nice at all.

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<v Speaker 5>Leave.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a company that is doing these kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things, and I'm not talking about you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>companies that employ a million people worldwide or wherever, not

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<v Speaker 1>not the Amazon dot coms of the world, but just

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<v Speaker 1>the the companies that might have an employee base of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred one hundretten fifty two hundred people. You start

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<v Speaker 1>doing something like this, not only will it create the

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<v Speaker 1>unrest inside your company, but true to try and attract

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<v Speaker 1>good people to come and work or replace them. But

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're ramping up for more business, the work will

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<v Speaker 1>be out on the streets. It's kind of it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of counterintuitive.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it not? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 13>And I would venture to say there's probably a lot

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<v Speaker 13>of companies that are doing virtual layoffs and they would

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<v Speaker 13>send you a pamphlet on their core.

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<v Speaker 4>Values and it probably includes words like.

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<v Speaker 13>Integrity and people first, and you know, we're a family

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<v Speaker 13>and in all of that, and then you know, this

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<v Speaker 13>is the behavior that is actually projected unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>You're with Stealth Consulting. You started Stealth Consulting? What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>What are are these some of the things you consult

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<v Speaker 1>companies on.

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<v Speaker 13>Absolutely a past Life grew a very large digital agency

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<v Speaker 13>and we were focused on large scale growth, exited that

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<v Speaker 13>that industry and wanted to get a little more hands

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<v Speaker 13>on with companies and so self was a way that

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<v Speaker 13>we could do that to bring in fractional marketing teams

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<v Speaker 13>to companies versus trying to go out and find.

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<v Speaker 4>That unicorn that's going to do everything.

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<v Speaker 13>And that's a that's allowed me to get, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>real hands on with multiple C suite executive teams where

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<v Speaker 13>behavior and decisions really need to start, you know, because

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<v Speaker 13>there's a there's a lot of misguided perception that well,

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<v Speaker 13>we can expect differently from the team than they can

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<v Speaker 13>expect of us. And one of the big things we

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<v Speaker 13>go in and do is shift that perception.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I mean, what what's all you know? Do

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<v Speaker 1>as I say, not as I do? And it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always found that to be interesting, particularly in the

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<v Speaker 1>line of work I'm in, because it's it's not only

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<v Speaker 1>not always the most well run organization. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people out there that just get ascended

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<v Speaker 1>through the ranks to management and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were great at sales or some other niche

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<v Speaker 1>part of the business, all of a sudden, here you go,

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<v Speaker 1>there's your promotion and the man or the woman is

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there and it's like, well, now that I'm here,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell do I do? I guess. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>The observation leads to a question, can you teach management?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if somebody doesn't really have great management skills,

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<v Speaker 1>can you really teach management to anybody? Because this is

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<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about here. I think, anyways, how you

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<v Speaker 1>treat employees, how you manage those employees to get the

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<v Speaker 1>most out of them so that the company becomes profitable.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I think you probably would find too

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people just get promoted so the company

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't lose someone they view valuable, but yet they get

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<v Speaker 1>promoted to a position where they have no business being

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<v Speaker 1>I think that happens a lot, don't you.

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<v Speaker 13>Absolutely, And it's you know what I would what I

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<v Speaker 13>would inform people of it's a cover in the book,

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<v Speaker 13>not lot you're just starting. Is that really everyone, even

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<v Speaker 13>if you work for a company. So there's a big

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<v Speaker 13>misconception around entrepreneurship that to be an entrepreneur you have

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<v Speaker 13>to start a business. And my belief is that everyone

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<v Speaker 13>in the world should show up like an entrepreneur. And

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<v Speaker 13>what that means is that you're the CEO of yourself.

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<v Speaker 13>So Ken is the CEO of the Keen Company. And

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<v Speaker 13>even if Ken works for another company. You show up

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<v Speaker 13>as if the company you work for is one of

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<v Speaker 13>your clients. And when you look at your employer like

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<v Speaker 13>a client, then you know that guess what I could

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<v Speaker 13>that client I could lose at any time, And so

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<v Speaker 13>you're better prepared for any moment, even if it's a

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<v Speaker 13>virtual layoff that Okay, I've got a backup plan and

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<v Speaker 13>I'm looking out, I'm going to negotiate on behalf of myself,

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<v Speaker 13>and you just approach approach the world differently, and you're

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<v Speaker 13>in a better position to have to have to change paths.

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<v Speaker 13>And as I was considering that for my kids, was

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<v Speaker 13>that in helping coach them as to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, what should they go to college? What what career

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<v Speaker 4>should they pursue?

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<v Speaker 13>In all likelihood, with the world that's ahead, they might

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<v Speaker 13>have to change that a dozen times and they need

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<v Speaker 13>to be prepared for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Again, the book is You're not lost, You're just starting,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's available on Amazon dot com. If indeed Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>has enough employees to get it to you, that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a conundrum. You've got a great book. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>hope Amazon doesn't lay off as many people as they

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<v Speaker 1>say they're going to. John Bowerman. It's it's been enlightening.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it. Stay well, yours is a voice that

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be heard, and hopefully we can visit down

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks all right, appreciate it again, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Amazon will see. But again, if you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm preaching to the choir, but if you run

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<v Speaker 1>a business and you have to let somebody go, do

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<v Speaker 1>it face to face. And if if it's a cascading

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<v Speaker 1>number of people, you have to let go. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why you employ managers that work for you face to face,

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<v Speaker 1>not an email, not a zoom call. I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing here? It is ten fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>already on this black Friday, and we press on next.

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<v Speaker 1>On seven hundred WLW, it is eleven ten on this

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<v Speaker 1>Friday morning. I am ken Brew for Scott Sloan. Top

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<v Speaker 1>of the hour. Mike Allen is in. Take it right

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<v Speaker 1>up till three o'clock this afternoon here on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're anywhere near the Kenwood Town Center, my condolences.

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<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely going to be a frenzy inside that

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<v Speaker 1>place today. Any shopping mall anywhere in America, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>quite what it used to be. Because the majority of

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<v Speaker 1>shopping in this country is done online, Cyber Monday always

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<v Speaker 1>tends to overshadow Black Friday. But there is still a

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<v Speaker 1>large contingent of us, and I include myself that when

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<v Speaker 1>I buy something, I really want to see it. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's clothing, I want to try it on and see

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<v Speaker 1>if it fits. I don't want to have to have

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<v Speaker 1>it sent to my door. Up doesn't fit, Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to go take it back, even though they'll take

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<v Speaker 1>it back. And still, I mean, you got that hassle.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not like it was even ten years ago

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<v Speaker 1>in these big box stores where you could go in

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<v Speaker 1>and find exactly what you want on the rack, try

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<v Speaker 1>it on, it works, Okay, I'm buying it. I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>And we also know that tomorrow is what do they

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<v Speaker 1>call it, small Business Saturday, which I think is important

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of the mom and pop stores need

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<v Speaker 1>your business as well, and maybe there you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>tangibly see something that you want to buy and then

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<v Speaker 1>physically buy it there. But whether we're shopping online or

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<v Speaker 1>shopping in a store itself, apparently we're not spending as

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<v Speaker 1>much money this year as we have in years past.

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<v Speaker 1>There is new data out from Deloitte. It's surveyed shoppers

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<v Speaker 1>and they say they plan to spend four percent less

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<v Speaker 1>than last year between Black Friday and Cyber Monday, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be this this weekend. Why will the higher cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living fear the economy is not on the right track.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, consumers making more than I'm sorry, less than

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars a year are expected to spend twelve

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<v Speaker 1>percent less than last year. That's according to the business

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<v Speaker 1>service Deloitte. Shoppers making an excess of two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a year say they're going to cut back almost

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent, and sixty nine percent of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>were surveyed by the University of Michigan say they expect

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<v Speaker 1>unemployment to increase over the next year twice the percentage

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<v Speaker 1>from a year ago. Well, AI is here, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will cut into jobs and certainly starting was already started,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly starting in full force in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Bottom line, we're not spending as much money for holiday

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<v Speaker 1>gifts Christmas honekah, whatever it may be as we did

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<v Speaker 1>eight years past. So that's bad for the economy as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole. But really, and truly, why is there no

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in where the economy is. It seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing just well if you're in some sort of four

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<v Speaker 1>oh one K Wall Street has outperformed my gosh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>outperformed its own expectations for this year and has for

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<v Speaker 1>most of the last five or six years. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem here? Standing by the way in is Ron Glasgow.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a financial strategist heads up Glasgow Investment Solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>He started in the financial business about twenty five years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the United States Marine Corps. He's a veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>which and we love veterans, but I thought his thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>might be pretty good on this because we've had Ron

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before and it's great to have him back.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ron Glasgow, how are you on this glorious Friday?

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<v Speaker 11>Ah?

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<v Speaker 5>Very good, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you ever be on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you're here. Look, we hear this every

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<v Speaker 1>year that the spending is going to be less than

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<v Speaker 1>what it was the year before. It seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>a warning signal every November when Thanksgiving rolls around, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just wondering, most years it's not that way. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you sense it will? Be this way this.

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<v Speaker 11>Year, you know, I really do you know it's Deloitte

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<v Speaker 11>just did a big study. It shows that for the

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<v Speaker 11>first time, there's twenty twenty one people's planning to spid

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<v Speaker 11>less during the holidays than they do they have in

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<v Speaker 11>previous years. But more than that, it's kind of being

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<v Speaker 11>involved in the markets that in society in general, you can.

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<v Speaker 4>Just sort of feel the pinch.

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<v Speaker 11>To me, it feels an awful lot like a jack

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<v Speaker 11>in the box, and every quarter that goes by, where

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<v Speaker 11>we have the markets at all time highs with really

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<v Speaker 11>you know, lacking underlying fundamentals.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that jack that it feels like that lever gets

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<v Speaker 4>tightened a quarter term, as you know, the Jack Visley

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<v Speaker 4>comes out of the box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does. And I just we could just pause

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<v Speaker 1>right there and talk about that, because I think it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody talks about Wall Street and Main Street and Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street's doing well. I mean, you look at the down

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<v Speaker 1>now compared to where it was in twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's almost double, And I understand it. Just it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a very few stocks that control the Dow. But

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<v Speaker 1>the S and P is strong. NASDAK has been strong,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's great if you're invested. If you're not invested,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're just somebody living paycheck to paycheck and try

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<v Speaker 1>to buy food and gas and shelter your family. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not translating there at this point, is it.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, I go for very modestly, and I had

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<v Speaker 11>a steel mill town in the Midwest, so you know,

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<v Speaker 11>I still go back and I still try to try

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<v Speaker 11>to stay with my ear to the street, as as

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<v Speaker 11>they say, but it's it's really difficult. I think inflation

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<v Speaker 11>has kind of been cast aside by the media, you know.

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<v Speaker 11>I know I did a segment a month ago where

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<v Speaker 11>everybody was happy because inflation came in at three percent

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<v Speaker 11>or three point one as a stock market hit at

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<v Speaker 11>all time high that day. You know, that's insane that

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<v Speaker 11>one point one percent would make a difference on a

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<v Speaker 11>quarterly report and your everyday people don't really care about that.

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<v Speaker 11>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing becomes to mind.

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<v Speaker 11>To me, as silly as it seems, is we're that

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<v Speaker 11>jingle five dollars foot long subway.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I just stopped it.

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<v Speaker 11>I had to have my old chain, so it was

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<v Speaker 11>a subway next joy, I stopped to have once a

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<v Speaker 11>couple of weeks ago, and the cheapest sub on the

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<v Speaker 11>menu was the Vega sub at ten dollars and twenty cents.

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<v Speaker 11>So I don't know where that that commercial stopped running,

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<v Speaker 11>but I know nobody did come as doubled since it

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<v Speaker 11>stops allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>Inflation is tricky. Look, we know it was a disaster

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<v Speaker 1>under Biden. They spent, spent, spent, and it just kept

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<v Speaker 1>rising rising, rising three percent right now compared to where

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<v Speaker 1>it was under Biden. Looks pretty good. But inflation is compounded, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like it's three percent, it's it's three percent

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<v Speaker 1>over what it was last year, and last year, the

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<v Speaker 1>year before and the year before that. So it's when

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear these numbers, all inflation's at three percent, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's better than where it was with Biden, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still compounded over what we had the year before.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, correct, And that's that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Boston translation a lot.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, yes, lash is under control now, which is great,

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<v Speaker 11>but we're not rewinding the clock.

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<v Speaker 5>So those those price reyseets that.

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<v Speaker 11>Are at all time highs for a lot of industries,

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<v Speaker 11>they're still there and growing yout three percent instead of

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<v Speaker 11>a nine or whatever crazy percentage there was under our

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<v Speaker 11>last administration.

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<v Speaker 1>So why Okay? So then the basic question is I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not an economist, but the basic question is that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>then why don't these companies bring their prices back down

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<v Speaker 1>to where they were what inflation was two point nine

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<v Speaker 1>three percent and not compound it out to where it

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<v Speaker 1>is right now? Is it because it's corporate greed? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we talking about corporate greed here?

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<v Speaker 11>You know, I think I think that you can make

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<v Speaker 11>an argument for an element of that, But no. I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>if one company will say, whatever business you're is that

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<v Speaker 11>you're a furniture manufacturer, and you've decided, hey, I'm going

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<v Speaker 11>to bring prices back down, well it's almost impossible because

1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:55.760
<v Speaker 11>you've got to buy wood and fabric and everything to

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<v Speaker 11>make their furniture. So all those companies would have to

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<v Speaker 11>bring it down at the same time. You'd have to

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<v Speaker 11>sort of have a reverse positive collusion, which is very

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<v Speaker 11>difficult to do. And you know, again, what's that jack

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<v Speaker 11>kind of out of the box is out, it's hard

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<v Speaker 11>to put it back in.

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<v Speaker 1>See something else here. In this report about holiday spending,

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<v Speaker 1>PayPal found that half of the shoppers planned to use

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<v Speaker 1>the old buy now, pay later services. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>kick the can down the road. Financially, that's just you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking for a tsunami at some point if you

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<v Speaker 1>buy now and pay later. It's not necessarily the best strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you do if someone asked you, hey, should

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<v Speaker 1>I buy something now? And you know I'll worry about

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<v Speaker 1>paying it off in April, May or June next year.

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<v Speaker 11>No, you know, there are very few things where I

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<v Speaker 11>think it makes sense to take a loan at which

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<v Speaker 11>is essentially what.

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<v Speaker 5>You're doing here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if you're buying a car, you're buying a home,

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<v Speaker 4>or buy a college.

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<v Speaker 5>Education to an extent does make sense.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is my Christmas present.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't make sense at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you know that's part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 11>In today's economy. You could have the access to quick

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<v Speaker 11>money very easily.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>When I grew up, I remember we had something similar.

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<v Speaker 11>It was called leile. You went and got it. If

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<v Speaker 11>you want the store cup, you paid it off onlee

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<v Speaker 11>until you can pick it up. So that was actually

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<v Speaker 11>a better system. He took us out and get what

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<v Speaker 11>you wanted with a tuble place above online.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I you know, you're right. It is taking it

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, comparable to taking out a loans just

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<v Speaker 1>to buy Christmas presents. And nobody wants to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to be the granch Everybody wants to have

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<v Speaker 1>a present. So maybe if these numbers are right where

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<v Speaker 1>you sided the Deloitte survey which said shoppers planned to

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<v Speaker 1>spend four percent less than last year, and then as

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<v Speaker 1>you as you as you break it down from an

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<v Speaker 1>economic standpoint, people making less than fifty twelve percent less

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<v Speaker 1>over two hundred thousand less than eighteen percent, This is

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<v Speaker 1>not good news obviously for retail and even places like Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems to be all over the place with its

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<v Speaker 1>trucks and its its orders in this day and age.

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<v Speaker 1>So it looks like maybe some of these big box stores,

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<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately, maybe some of these mom and pop shops

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<v Speaker 1>are going to take it really hard this Christmas.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I think I think so, And you know, I

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<v Speaker 11>think you said it best for different mom of pop

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<v Speaker 11>shops that I always worry about.

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<v Speaker 4>There's so few of them less and.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, they're typically great, they're typically embttered the fabricular communities,

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<v Speaker 11>and you want those stores to succeed.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, if you just think about the term

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<v Speaker 4>Black Friday. You know, when you really.

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<v Speaker 11>Think about that, it's insane to think that you've got

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<v Speaker 11>to wait until the day after Thanksgiving for most retail

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<v Speaker 11>stores just to break even.

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<v Speaker 4>So you need very little time to make profit. And

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<v Speaker 4>when you're in a situation like that.

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<v Speaker 11>Where people are starting to pull back a little bit,

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<v Speaker 11>makes it even harder to make that profit in one.

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<v Speaker 1>Moment, which may explain some commercials we're seeing on television right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these Black Friday sales started I think right

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<v Speaker 1>before Halloween. I mean, they're trying to they're trying their best,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to get our money. But if people don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to spend their money, maybe some of these Black

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<v Speaker 1>Friday advertisements are just a waste of money.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean, and that's part that I think that

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<v Speaker 11>is wellme of the twenty four hour recycle. Plus the

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<v Speaker 11>fact that you could advertise anywhere. I mean a lot

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<v Speaker 11>of online advertising, social media, so a lot of it's spiller.

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<v Speaker 11>But yeah, and you know, these storts have to make

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<v Speaker 11>their money somehow, and so they see the same data

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<v Speaker 11>that we do, and they have even better data, and

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<v Speaker 11>they're tracking it in real time with their own departments,

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<v Speaker 11>so they realize what's going on and they're trying to

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<v Speaker 11>make sure.

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<v Speaker 4>That they turn proper for a year. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what the risk of retail.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a difficult business to be in cobus.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Ron Glasgow is our guest financial strategist. Let's break

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<v Speaker 1>it down then, if indeed this happens and people spend less,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that do for our economy and what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean going forward in the early months of January, February, March,

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<v Speaker 1>where retail spending is not as robust as it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the final quarter of any year.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>So, and we can go through times before where we're

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<v Speaker 11>companies didn't necessarily hit home runs in the post Black

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<v Speaker 11>Friday sales. But I think you get to nail on

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<v Speaker 11>the head by saying what happens in Q one. That's

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<v Speaker 11>really where I think people tuned in, especially economist and

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<v Speaker 11>to look at say what is the state of our economy?

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<v Speaker 4>The holidays are over and I your back in normal life.

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<v Speaker 4>Are people spending or are they not?

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<v Speaker 11>And I don't talking about holiday presents and gifts, but

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<v Speaker 11>on every day things are people starting to pull back?

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<v Speaker 11>And you know, once you get at Q one, of

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<v Speaker 11>people across the border starting to pull back.

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<v Speaker 4>It becomes a master problem of the economy.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, America's business is business, and so when business

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<v Speaker 11>starts to slow, it hurts a virtually every segment of

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<v Speaker 11>the population.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Ron, let's pretend you're a Jerome Pal just

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<v Speaker 1>for this one moment. We'll call you Jerome Pal with brains,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't really have a lot of faith in.

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<v Speaker 5>That, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ron glasshow is going to Washington, d C. That

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<v Speaker 1>he is going to forecast the health of our economy

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<v Speaker 1>for the first half year of twenty twenty six in

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<v Speaker 1>the office of the President of the United States. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you telling Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, boy, I'm probably for a first thing.

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<v Speaker 11>But you know, I think I think this a pal

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<v Speaker 11>has actually done an okay job of the gore in

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<v Speaker 11>the headlines, doing what he thinks is best. And remember

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<v Speaker 11>he's just one man. It's the it's the board of governors.

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<v Speaker 11>They don't have a vote. I say, he would have

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<v Speaker 11>to say that things are starting are slowing. They reverse,

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<v Speaker 11>President Trump would say, will lower interest rates?

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<v Speaker 5>Coming right?

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<v Speaker 11>As that sort of creates some other issues when you

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<v Speaker 11>do that too rapidly. So there is a fine balancing

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<v Speaker 11>act there. But I see the economy starting to slow

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<v Speaker 11>and it's just kind of a feeling you have, or

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<v Speaker 11>you're out in your own community, people that aren't spending

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<v Speaker 11>as bus and they're not nearly as optimistic as they

1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:00.640
<v Speaker 11>used to be. University missing and just put out a

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<v Speaker 11>consumer competence study as said, the super confidence right now

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<v Speaker 11>as low ofan it's been in the last five years.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, those.

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<v Speaker 11>Things individually, they're not that telling. But when you start

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<v Speaker 11>to pull the data police together, they're all play the

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<v Speaker 11>same directly.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's hope for the best, embrace for the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Glasgow you can find him at Glasgow Investments dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a financial strategist and we salute him again

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<v Speaker 1>for his time in the service with the United States

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<v Speaker 1>Marine Marines. Ron, thank you so much. Stay well, have

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<v Speaker 1>a happy holiday season, and hopefully we can visit down

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate you having me,

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<v Speaker 5>you bet, you bet.

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<v Speaker 1>I like people that make sense over what is happening

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, be it financially, militarily, politically, or from

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<v Speaker 1>a sports standpoint. Speaking of sports, there's a rather large

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<v Speaker 1>game tomorrow in ann Arbor, Michigan. And even if even

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<v Speaker 1>at Ohio State in the National Football Title again this season,

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't beat Michigan, Ryan Day will feel the

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<v Speaker 1>heat and the wrath of the boys downtown from Columbus. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the game is tomorrow. That and a little bit on

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<v Speaker 1>UC and TCU is next. Ken Brew for Scott Sloan

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<v Speaker 1>News Radio seven hundred w l W ken brewper Scott's

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<v Speaker 1>flowed on this Black Friday. As retail tries to make

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<v Speaker 1>up for what has been kind of a sluggish year.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're out there shopping, you remember, it's not a battle,

1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not a war. It's just clothing, just clothing. We

1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:46.519
<v Speaker 1>have college football to deal with all weekend long. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got Indiana trying to keep its unbeaten season alive at

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<v Speaker 1>Purdue tonight. Purdue is two to nine. Indiana is eleven

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<v Speaker 1>and zero. That's a seven thirty kick today in West Lafayette.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, if he had a whole serve in

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<v Speaker 1>that game, it will probably continue to be the number

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<v Speaker 1>two team in the country. As we continue the countdown

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<v Speaker 1>to the college football playoff noon tomorrow at Louisville, UK

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<v Speaker 1>tries to get Bowl eligible again, there are five and six.

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<v Speaker 1>You need six wins to become Bowl eligible. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what UK is working toward tomorrow in that noonkick at

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville and then of course tomorrow afternoon three point thirty

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<v Speaker 1>right here on seven hundred WLW at Cincinnati the Bearcats

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<v Speaker 1>at TCU. At TCU, the Bearcats are seven and four,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for that eighth win. You get that extra win,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you get a better bowl game. TCU is no slouch,

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<v Speaker 1>the fresh off and upset win at Houston last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've got a terrific quarterback, a guy by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Josh Hoover. Might remember Hoover from that game

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<v Speaker 1>last year against UC. Anyway, he's completing sixty five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of his passes this year, twenty five touchdowns, thirteen interceptions.

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<v Speaker 1>He has thrown for over thirty one hundred yards. And

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to tell Scott Centerfield all about Josh Hoover.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's a talented quarterback.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean he is a true passer, like you know,

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<v Speaker 14>you go watch him, and I mean last year, I

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<v Speaker 14>think he broke the school record at TCU and he's

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<v Speaker 14>had another fine season this year. He can make all

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<v Speaker 14>the throws, deep throws, you know, your your deep out

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<v Speaker 14>routes to the field. He puts pressure on you because

1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:29.720
<v Speaker 14>of that. I think he's very competitive, you know. I

1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:31.680
<v Speaker 14>think he's just an now he's an outstanding quarterback and

1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:33.800
<v Speaker 14>has been, you know, ever since he's been playing. So

1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:36.439
<v Speaker 14>you know, last year, you know did it. We did

1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:38.320
<v Speaker 14>a pretty good job of containing him. I think maybe

1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:39.880
<v Speaker 14>the second half had something to do with it, because

1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:42.439
<v Speaker 14>like a snow globe when you watch the film, it's

1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:45.439
<v Speaker 14>snow everywhere. Probably had a little something to do with that.

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<v Speaker 14>But you know, he's an outstanding quarterback. You know, he's

1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:50.880
<v Speaker 14>he's another one in this league that you know, we

1:24:50.960 --> 1:24:52.760
<v Speaker 14>knew was gonna be good and he's gonna be hard

1:24:52.760 --> 1:24:53.200
<v Speaker 14>to contain.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course to borrow. At noon, it's the game.

1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State takes the short plane ride up to Ann

1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Arbor and takes on Michigan, which has been a thorn

1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>in the side of course of Ryan Day recently. Day

1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.280
<v Speaker 1>loss last year at Columbus flipped it around one the

1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:16.479
<v Speaker 1>College Football National Championship. But in Columbus, if you're a

1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>head football coach at Ohio State, you have got to

1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:22.599
<v Speaker 1>beat Michigan and I don't think this year is any different.

1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Even though Ohio State is the clear number one team

1:25:24.960 --> 1:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>in this country. You don't beat Michigan, You're in for

1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:32.120
<v Speaker 1>a long ride unless you can pull off with Dave

1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:35.519
<v Speaker 1>pulled off last year. Knowing all of that, we turn

1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:38.519
<v Speaker 1>to someone who is charged with covering Ohio State for

1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:42.120
<v Speaker 1>what I think is the best website to cover the Buckeyes,

1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and that is eleven Warriors dot Com. And it's our

1:25:45.360 --> 1:25:48.360
<v Speaker 1>good buddy Dan Hope, who's here to weigh in on

1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:53.679
<v Speaker 1>the game tomorrow high noon. Michigan and Dan Hope, how

1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:55.400
<v Speaker 1>are you on this glorious Friday.

1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:57.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing great. Can How are you?

1:25:57.880 --> 1:26:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm reasonably well, looking forward to, uh to what may

1:26:02.040 --> 1:26:03.479
<v Speaker 1>go down here in ann Arbor.

1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:03.920
<v Speaker 11>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just here's here's my question for you. Ohio State

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<v Speaker 1>is the best team in the country. I don't think

1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:12.599
<v Speaker 1>there's any argument about that. I I would even say

1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Indiana would have to say that at this point. But nevertheless,

1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:18.599
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, they're the best team in the country.

1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>When the best team of the country is faced with

1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:25.799
<v Speaker 1>a rivalry game and both teams are relatively close, although

1:26:25.840 --> 1:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Michigan's not quite as dominating, this year as they have

1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>it in years past, These these these rivalry games can

1:26:31.960 --> 1:26:35.559
<v Speaker 1>go off the rails quickly. What's the theme been up

1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:39.160
<v Speaker 1>there in Columbus around this team, knowing full well that

1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the players don't have to be told the importance of

1:26:41.320 --> 1:26:44.479
<v Speaker 1>the game, but knowing full well that these rivalry games

1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>can go off the rails quickly. What do you think

1:26:47.200 --> 1:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the message has been.

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<v Speaker 15>I mean, we certainly thought last year when a last

1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:55.120
<v Speaker 15>State was heavily favored to win that game and didn't

1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:57.600
<v Speaker 15>win the game, that you know, this this game is

1:26:57.640 --> 1:27:00.960
<v Speaker 15>different than any other. You know, on paper, Ohio State

1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:02.960
<v Speaker 15>should win the game, but that doesn't mean that Ohio

1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:05.400
<v Speaker 15>State will win the game unless.

1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:06.799
<v Speaker 5>It goes and plays its best football.

1:27:06.920 --> 1:27:09.280
<v Speaker 15>And so I think, you know, the message to a

1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:12.240
<v Speaker 15>team has certainly been, you know, needing to be at

1:27:12.240 --> 1:27:15.920
<v Speaker 15>their best this week, you know, understanding the challenge that

1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:18.599
<v Speaker 15>is in front of them. But at the same time,

1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:21.880
<v Speaker 15>Brian Day and his players have also talked a lot

1:27:21.960 --> 1:27:24.960
<v Speaker 15>this week about keeping the routine the routine, about not

1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:27.480
<v Speaker 15>trying to.

1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:28.519
<v Speaker 5>Change the way they do things.

1:27:28.600 --> 1:27:31.799
<v Speaker 15>I mean even as simple as just you know, keeping

1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:35.040
<v Speaker 15>their practice schedule the same, even though it's Thanksgiving. Things

1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:38.759
<v Speaker 15>like that. They've really tried to just keep the routines

1:27:38.840 --> 1:27:42.000
<v Speaker 15>or the team this week because I think one of

1:27:42.040 --> 1:27:45.920
<v Speaker 15>the things that's hurt this team in recent years is

1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:50.560
<v Speaker 15>almost making too much of the game. And everybody understands

1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:51.920
<v Speaker 15>how big a deal it is.

1:27:52.400 --> 1:27:55.240
<v Speaker 5>This game is extremely important.

1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:58.000
<v Speaker 15>For Ohio State and they desperately want to win it,

1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:01.240
<v Speaker 15>but they also don't want to change the way they

1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:04.160
<v Speaker 15>do things, get away from the things that has made

1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:06.320
<v Speaker 15>them the best team in the country but have allowed

1:28:06.320 --> 1:28:09.840
<v Speaker 15>them to dominate their competition all year long. So I think,

1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:13.679
<v Speaker 15>you know, that's really been kind of the driving thing

1:28:13.760 --> 1:28:15.720
<v Speaker 15>for Ohio State this week that it's gone through its

1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:18.800
<v Speaker 15>preparation is Hey, you know, we know we have to

1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:20.680
<v Speaker 15>be at our best this week. We know there's more

1:28:20.720 --> 1:28:22.760
<v Speaker 15>on the line this week, but let's not change what

1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:25.360
<v Speaker 15>we do. Let's let's keep doing the things that have

1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:27.880
<v Speaker 15>enabled us to have success all year and if we

1:28:28.040 --> 1:28:29.840
<v Speaker 15>do that, we're going to have a chance.

1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we know this about Michigan. Michigan can run

1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:36.719
<v Speaker 1>the football. They can run it. Jordan Marshall, Justice Haines.

1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>They combined for over sixteen hundred yards. Now Haines is

1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>doubtful for this game, we'll see whether or not he

1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>answers the bell. But I'm just looking at some of

1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>these numbers that have been put up, and again you

1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:50.679
<v Speaker 1>have to understand the teams they're playing. I mean, you've

1:28:50.720 --> 1:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>got Marshall. He has put up a buck thirty three

1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:57.639
<v Speaker 1>against Washington. He put up a buck eighty five against

1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Purdue one hundred and forty two yards again Northwestern. My

1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>guess is Michigan is going to try and run at

1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the early part of this game. And if they do

1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:09.519
<v Speaker 1>and get Ohio State on its heels and get it

1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>off kilter a little bit on those early downs, it's

1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>got a chance. If it doesn't, I think this thing

1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:19.759
<v Speaker 1>could implode on on Michigan. But stopping that run, certainly

1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>with Marshall, and whether or not Haynes is there or not,

1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that's job one for Ohio State.

1:29:25.120 --> 1:29:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Is it not?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 15>Because I mean I think if you look at these

1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:33.360
<v Speaker 15>teams you compare them, the one area where I think

1:29:33.400 --> 1:29:36.880
<v Speaker 15>you could say Michigan has the advantage is its running

1:29:36.960 --> 1:29:41.240
<v Speaker 15>offense versus Ohio States rushing offense. You know, Ohio State certainly,

1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:44.439
<v Speaker 15>particularly if you assume that Jeremiah Smith and Carnel State

1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:46.320
<v Speaker 15>will be back this week, which seems to be the

1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:49.960
<v Speaker 15>way things are trending. Ohio State has a better passing offense,

1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:52.080
<v Speaker 15>it has a better defense, it's been the best defense

1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:56.360
<v Speaker 15>in the country. But Michigan is better at running the

1:29:56.400 --> 1:29:59.400
<v Speaker 15>ball than Ohio State is. And you go back again

1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.599
<v Speaker 15>to the last year. I mean, it was the same story.

1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Last year.

1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:05.000
<v Speaker 15>Ohio State had the best defense in the country. Michigan

1:30:05.040 --> 1:30:07.559
<v Speaker 15>had one of the worst passing offenses in the country,

1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:12.160
<v Speaker 15>but Ohio State allowed Michigan to turn it into a

1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:15.519
<v Speaker 15>battle of running games and that ultimately led to Michigan

1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:17.720
<v Speaker 15>winning in the end. So if you're Ohio State, you

1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:20.080
<v Speaker 15>can't let that happen. Like said, you've got to stop

1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:22.960
<v Speaker 15>the run. But if you're Ohio State, you also have

1:30:23.080 --> 1:30:25.439
<v Speaker 15>to play to your strengths. You have to remember you

1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:28.439
<v Speaker 15>have a Heisman Trophy candidate at quarterback, You've got two

1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:32.160
<v Speaker 15>of the best wide receivers in the country. If Michigan

1:30:32.280 --> 1:30:35.160
<v Speaker 15>is probably going to try to bait them into running

1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:37.479
<v Speaker 15>the ball again just like they did last year by

1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:41.479
<v Speaker 15>dropping guys into coverage. But if you're Ohio State, you

1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:44.080
<v Speaker 15>need to dictate the game. You need to go into

1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:47.040
<v Speaker 15>this game saying we are of a better team. We

1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:50.679
<v Speaker 15>are going to play our game. You can't allow Michigan

1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:52.920
<v Speaker 15>to say we're not going to let you fro to

1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:55.320
<v Speaker 15>four or seventeen and run the ball up the middle

1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:57.240
<v Speaker 15>against us. If you're Ohio State, you've got to say

1:30:57.600 --> 1:31:00.040
<v Speaker 15>we have the best players on the field and we

1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.120
<v Speaker 15>are going to find way for them to make plays.

1:31:02.240 --> 1:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. Yeah, we all know what happened last year.

1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>There was a veteran quarterback there last year. Julians saying

1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>is a veteran of this season and has progressed well

1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>through this season. But what about that because a lot

1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>of that's going to fall on him too. I know

1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't call the plays, but he's got to be

1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>able to have something if indeed that's what Michigan plays

1:31:22.840 --> 1:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>defensively this year. So what about him and his role?

1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:30.200
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I mean, I think you know Julian obviously, this

1:31:30.320 --> 1:31:33.839
<v Speaker 15>is his first time playing in the game, this rivalry,

1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:37.160
<v Speaker 15>so you never know how a guy is going to

1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:40.599
<v Speaker 15>perform in that stage when he hasn't done it before.

1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:43.599
<v Speaker 15>It's also probably going to be the worst lever he's

1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:47.040
<v Speaker 15>played at Zilvarvis Here. It's been lucky to have a

1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:49.479
<v Speaker 15>lot of nice weather for its games this year. This

1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:51.439
<v Speaker 15>game is going to be cold, maybe a little bit

1:31:51.479 --> 1:31:54.240
<v Speaker 15>of snow. He's a guy from southern California, so how

1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:56.599
<v Speaker 15>is he going to respond to all that? Those are

1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.920
<v Speaker 15>all questions At the same time. I don't go into

1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:03.639
<v Speaker 15>this game really looking at Julian Saying as a you know,

1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:07.160
<v Speaker 15>young puff who hasn't been tested, because you just look

1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:09.720
<v Speaker 15>at what he's done all year long. I mean, he's

1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:11.880
<v Speaker 15>played like a veteran all year long. He leads the

1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:17.160
<v Speaker 15>entire country in completion percentage. He's shown great composure, composer,

1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:22.080
<v Speaker 15>and poise throughout the season, and so I don't feel

1:32:22.120 --> 1:32:25.240
<v Speaker 15>like the stage is going to be too big for Julian, saying,

1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:28.479
<v Speaker 15>I think the way that he's handled everything, starting with

1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:31.160
<v Speaker 15>that first game of the year against Texas and his

1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:33.920
<v Speaker 15>first start as a Buck Guy, suggests to me that

1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:38.480
<v Speaker 15>you know, he will be ready to can't handle the stage.

1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:41.760
<v Speaker 15>I think it's more a matter of just the the

1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:44.599
<v Speaker 15>entire passing offense. You know, we saw it the last

1:32:44.680 --> 1:32:48.120
<v Speaker 15>couple of weeks with Jeremiah and Carnell Valley injuries. The

1:32:48.200 --> 1:32:51.599
<v Speaker 15>passing offense did not look the same, and so will

1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:56.639
<v Speaker 15>those guys be healthy, Will they be their usual cells,

1:32:56.720 --> 1:32:58.800
<v Speaker 15>Will Julian saying get into a rhythm with that? And

1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:01.080
<v Speaker 15>then you know, of course, you ever big factor is

1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:03.040
<v Speaker 15>you know how a pass protection be. I mean, this

1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:05.960
<v Speaker 15>is one of the best defensive fronts Ohio State staced

1:33:05.960 --> 1:33:08.519
<v Speaker 15>all year. The offensive line has had its ups and

1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:11.800
<v Speaker 15>downs this year. So will they give Julians say, in

1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:15.600
<v Speaker 15>consistent time to throw? Will they keep pressure often to

1:33:15.760 --> 1:33:19.160
<v Speaker 15>allow Ohio State to make those big plays down the field.

1:33:19.240 --> 1:33:22.000
<v Speaker 15>I think all of those things are what have to

1:33:22.040 --> 1:33:25.240
<v Speaker 15>come together for Ohio State to be able to do

1:33:25.320 --> 1:33:26.920
<v Speaker 15>what it should be able to do in this game,

1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:29.320
<v Speaker 15>which is the even more explosive offense.

1:33:29.400 --> 1:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and flip it to when Michigan has the ball.

1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>We talked about it early about their ability to run.

1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen every Michigan game this year. You know,

1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of we have our own teams down in

1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>this area of the state. That what That's what consumes

1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>me most. But I've seen enough to know that's not

1:33:46.479 --> 1:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>a good come from behind team. I saw their game

1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>against Oklahoma, I saw their game against Southern cal They

1:33:54.680 --> 1:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't get to drop on those teams no points in

1:33:57.640 --> 1:34:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the first quarter, I think seven points combined in those

1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>two games with Southern cal and with with Oklahoma. So

1:34:06.200 --> 1:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you get you got to get the you got to

1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>get the jump on on Michigan because I think Michigan,

1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:14.559
<v Speaker 1>if it's playing with the lead, is a far different

1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>team than Michigan trying to come out of a hole.

1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:20.720
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's probably a key as anything is

1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>play that first quarter, get some points, and then let's

1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>see if Michigan can run the ball as well as

1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:28.679
<v Speaker 1>they have. Would you think that's a pretty good script.

1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:31.679
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I agree with you completely because I mean, again,

1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:33.840
<v Speaker 15>I mean not to keep bringing up last year, but

1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:36.120
<v Speaker 15>you think about what happened a year ago.

1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:37.559
<v Speaker 5>That was kind of what happened.

1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:41.360
<v Speaker 15>Ohio State started off slow, Michigan dragged Ohio State into

1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:45.040
<v Speaker 15>a dogfight, and the Buck guys were never able to respond.

1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:48.120
<v Speaker 15>I think, you know, you go to this game, especially

1:34:48.160 --> 1:34:51.160
<v Speaker 15>being on the road, especially with a lever forecast that's

1:34:51.200 --> 1:34:54.360
<v Speaker 15>showing a higher chance of snow later in the game

1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:56.840
<v Speaker 15>than there is early in the game. I think, if

1:34:56.880 --> 1:35:00.120
<v Speaker 15>Ohio State can start fast and build a lead, I'm

1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:04.400
<v Speaker 15>very confident in Ohio State's defensive ability to hold that lead.

1:35:04.640 --> 1:35:07.879
<v Speaker 15>I think if Michigan can take an early lead, Ohio

1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:09.920
<v Speaker 15>State struggles out of the gate and they're in a

1:35:10.000 --> 1:35:14.320
<v Speaker 15>tight game late. I'm maybe not as confident in how

1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:17.880
<v Speaker 15>will Ohio State respond to what would be really its

1:35:17.880 --> 1:35:21.200
<v Speaker 15>first real adversity of the season, especially playing on the

1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:23.479
<v Speaker 15>road in bad lever and so I do think that

1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:27.040
<v Speaker 15>you know from Ohio for both teams perspective, I think

1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:30.320
<v Speaker 15>starting fast is going to be huge, and I think

1:35:30.520 --> 1:35:33.880
<v Speaker 15>I think if Ohio State can start fast, I'll feel

1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:36.879
<v Speaker 15>really good about its chances. But I think if Michigan

1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:39.880
<v Speaker 15>can keep the game tight going into the fourth quarter,

1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:41.719
<v Speaker 15>as anybody's ball game, Dan.

1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Hope Elevinwarriors dot Com, it's the destination for all things

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State athletics, but particularly football. How big a game

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<v Speaker 1>is this for Ryan Dade? I mean, we know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened last year, he lost the game and then comes

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<v Speaker 1>back and wins the National Championship. I get the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy lives year to year on the Michigan game,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what happens in the playoff. But how big

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<v Speaker 1>a game is it for him?

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<v Speaker 15>It's a huge game for him because this is really

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<v Speaker 15>the one the lemish on his record, right now, I

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<v Speaker 15>mean if he if he wins this game, you know,

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<v Speaker 15>what's anybody going to say about now He's he's won

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<v Speaker 15>a national championship. I mean he has you know, if

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<v Speaker 15>you if you take you know, a qualifying number of

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<v Speaker 15>games out of it, the best winning percentage in college

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<v Speaker 15>football history. I mean, really will only knock on him

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<v Speaker 15>right now is that he hasn't been able to beat Michigan.

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<v Speaker 15>So I think this is a huge game for him,

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<v Speaker 15>particularly in terms of, you know, just his reputation as

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<v Speaker 15>a coach. I think it's huge for him, you know,

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<v Speaker 15>psychologically to get that monkey off his back. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 15>with that being said, you know, we should we should

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<v Speaker 15>qualify it as like you know, Ryan is not going

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<v Speaker 15>to be him a hot seat if Ohio State lose

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<v Speaker 15>this game, it's a different conversation than it was a

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<v Speaker 15>year ago because he's won a national championship and no

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<v Speaker 15>matter what happens in this game, a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Of it's going to be in a college football playoffs.

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<v Speaker 15>So you know, I think know anybody who might go

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<v Speaker 15>to the draftic lengths of like fire Ryan da if

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<v Speaker 15>Ohio State loses this game, We're not gonna.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not gonna We're not gonna We're not going to

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<v Speaker 5>go there. That's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 15>But you know, it's one of those things where it's like,

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<v Speaker 15>you know, you want to play that dragon because until

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<v Speaker 15>Ryan Day beats Michigan, the one thing that is going

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<v Speaker 15>to hang over him is this guy can't beat Michigan.

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<v Speaker 15>So I think this is a huge game for him,

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<v Speaker 15>and I think that, you know, if he can win

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<v Speaker 15>this game, I think he will firmly establish himself among

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<v Speaker 15>college football's elite coaches, because really the only thing that's

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<v Speaker 15>really holding him back from that has been his record

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<v Speaker 15>against Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Hope Elevinwarriors dot Com, all right, Dan, enjoy covering

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and I know we'll be talking down the road.

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<v Speaker 5>Stay well, sounds good, Thanks Ken.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet. That is noon tomorrow in ann Arbor, uh

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<v Speaker 1>Also tomorrow at noon ball State at Miami. The RedHawks

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<v Speaker 1>are six and five, looking to finish seven and five

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<v Speaker 1>on the regular season. They are, of course Bowl eligible,

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<v Speaker 1>and today at noon up in windy Buffalo, the Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>Bobcats look to go eight and four. They take on

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<v Speaker 1>the Buffalo today at high noon. There's your college football

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<v Speaker 1>all of that and everything else that goes down back

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<v Speaker 1>in here tomorrow morning, actually at high noon to carry

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<v Speaker 1>you through the early part of the afternoon tomorrow on Saturday.

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