Speaker 1: Hey, to just stay up and watch it last night,
Speaker 1: to just stay up and see it. The Bengals win.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, how many times have we been able
Speaker 1: to say that this year? I'll tell you four. Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow was back and everything seemed right in the world.
Speaker 1: Everything seemed as it was supposed to be. The bizarro
Speaker 1: world that we have been living in for the last
Speaker 1: two and a half three months. The bizarro world has
Speaker 1: gone and now we are back on stolid t Era firma.
Speaker 1: That's one game. I know, it's one game, and it
Speaker 1: was a matchup that probably came into four to two
Speaker 1: at his time for the Bengals Division opponent, a Ravens
Speaker 1: team that has been basically gasping on offense, and the
Speaker 1: Bengals pull out a thirty two to fourteen win. And
Speaker 1: it was Joe Burrow's return from two and a half
Speaker 1: almost three months of toe's surgery, and he and Chase
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent on that field last night, but
Speaker 1: you could just see it's going to be there sooner
Speaker 1: than later. And now there's hope. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a false hope. All I know is this, if
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh loses this week, you got Pittsburgh at six and six,
Speaker 1: Baltimore at six and six, and the Bengals at four
Speaker 1: and eight. Very doable, very doable at that point, two
Speaker 1: games back with five games to go. But let's not
Speaker 1: get ahead of ourselves. Let's spend some time reveling in
Speaker 1: what went down last night in the thirty two fourteen
Speaker 1: win over the Baltimore Ravens. Standing by the way in
Speaker 1: as someone who knows more about football has forgotten more
Speaker 1: about football than most of us know, someone who chronicles
Speaker 1: it on a daily basis, several times on a daily
Speaker 1: basis for cbssports dot Com. It's our great friend from
Speaker 1: up near Columbus, Brian Diardo. How are you on this
Speaker 1: glorious Friday.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Cat. I think the only person doing
Speaker 2: better than me today has to be Al Golden. Right,
Speaker 2: we can all agree on that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Burrow, and I want to
Speaker 1: get into what happened in the comeback and all the
Speaker 1: excitement about that. But I'm glad you're going to start
Speaker 1: with defense. A couple of things about this defense. One,
Speaker 1: they took the ball away. I mean, you take the
Speaker 1: ball away as many times as they did last night.
Speaker 1: Odds are you're going to win the game. But I
Speaker 1: went back and I did a little math. I did
Speaker 1: a little, you know, a little research on this beyond
Speaker 1: maybe what showed up today in the box score or
Speaker 1: maybe what we saw last night. So the way I've
Speaker 1: got it is the Ravens had the ball thirteen times.
Speaker 1: Thirteen times last night, Brian six drives started with no
Speaker 1: yards or less on first down. You put a team
Speaker 1: on its heels on first down, you're not only going
Speaker 1: to win the game, you're going to win that series.
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. Six of the thirteen times
Speaker 1: that Baltimore had the ball, they got zero yards or
Speaker 1: less on first down. And I think that was huge
Speaker 1: last night.
Speaker 2: No, I entirely agree, and that I'm sure is a
Speaker 2: huge reason why they were three of ten on possession downs.
Speaker 3: Because you and that's an old saying. I think the
Speaker 3: old Bill's.
Speaker 2: Defensive coordinator they're going to all the Super Bowls in
Speaker 2: the ninety would always say, you went on third down,
Speaker 2: then you kicked bleep on third down. Bengals one first down,
Speaker 2: and they certainly did kick bleep on third down as well.
Speaker 2: But no, you're right, and you know they they really
Speaker 2: took advantage of the Bengals deficient or the Ravens deficiencies
Speaker 2: on offense. And that's what any any good, you know,
Speaker 2: coordinator does, right, They look at the weaknesses of the
Speaker 2: opposition and you look to exploit it. And I think
Speaker 2: we can all agree that that lamar Is is really
Speaker 2: physically compromised. He seems like he's on the injury report
Speaker 2: with something new every week. I think this would get
Speaker 2: it was it was a foot or toe injury, so
Speaker 2: he's not going to run as much. And they absolutely
Speaker 2: exploited that. And and the Ravens really never made the
Speaker 2: necessary adjustments. And you know, I was doing a little
Speaker 2: bit of notes this morning too, and this doesn't have
Speaker 2: anything to do with the defense, but I didn't want to.
Speaker 4: Say one thing.
Speaker 2: It was interesting, you know, And I'm sure everybody watching
Speaker 2: yesterday saw all the the honoring of John Madden, who
Speaker 2: loved Thanksgiving was such an integral part of this day.
Speaker 2: The final score last night of the game Bengals Ravens
Speaker 2: was the score of John Madden's won Super Bowl win
Speaker 2: with the Raiders way back in nineteen seventy seven, thirty
Speaker 2: two to fourteen. So thought that was kind of interesting,
Speaker 2: but Yeah, Ken, that defense has been coming for a
Speaker 2: while and they showed it last night. That two historic.
Speaker 3: Things they did they do last night.
Speaker 2: First time Lamars had three turnovers in four years and
Speaker 2: the first time the Ravens put the ball on the
Speaker 2: ground four times since two thousand and seven. So that
Speaker 2: was the first time ever in the John Harbaugh era
Speaker 2: they have been that bad taking care of the football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was two thousand and seven, was a game
Speaker 1: against the Bengals. Look at Brian. I'm going back to
Speaker 1: the second drive that the Ravens had in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: This is with about four fifty to go in the
Speaker 1: first quarter. The next in these ensuing drivesmbule punt, fumble, punt, fumble,
Speaker 1: end of half. First drive in the third quarter punt,
Speaker 1: then they score a touchdown, and then they end the
Speaker 1: game interception, downs, fumbles, end of the game. If that's
Speaker 1: not a stemied offense, I have no idea what it
Speaker 1: would be. Now. I was looking at at Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: last night. He is reticent to run. It's not the
Speaker 1: same Lamar Jackson we saw when he was completely healthy.
Speaker 1: But I think the other thing that absolutely mesmerized or
Speaker 1: lobotomized him was the packages that Al Golden put together. Look,
Speaker 1: Golden is still I think, in this town to a
Speaker 1: large extent, under the gun, but it seems like he
Speaker 1: has kind of paired that defense down a little bit,
Speaker 1: not grind to do too much, not trying to get
Speaker 1: intricate in anything. Some of those are I mean, some
Speaker 1: of those are good zero blitzes, some of those are
Speaker 1: good stunts up front. All that's happening now, but it
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem to be, shall we say, confusing the
Speaker 1: players as much as it did in the first half
Speaker 1: of this season. What has he done that you can
Speaker 1: see that maybe has made this a less complicated defense
Speaker 1: to grasp?
Speaker 3: Oh, I think you nailed it.
Speaker 2: And I think and Jason Garrett said it on the
Speaker 2: broadcast last night, that that they're they're simplifying things. And again,
Speaker 2: you know, that's something that Tony Dungey said a very
Speaker 2: long time ago when his Colts defense and OH six
Speaker 2: was struggling and they asked him, you know you're going
Speaker 2: to add in more to try to help because no,
Speaker 2: if anything, we're going to take away things from them
Speaker 2: to simplify things. So I think he is he has
Speaker 2: done that, And I think one thing too, he's And
Speaker 2: this is I think one of the reasons why lou
Speaker 2: Anna Rumo lost his job was the development of the
Speaker 2: younger players, and that might be one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why that that he ultimately benched Logan Wilson and and
Speaker 2: why they ultimately you know, traded him was because we
Speaker 2: let's get development from the younger players. Case in point,
Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight, who they they drafted. And now with obviously
Speaker 2: Wilson being traded, he's and Jermaine Pratt being released, He's
Speaker 2: going to come up and play more. Had the interception,
Speaker 2: the big interception last night, and then he's developing. You know,
Speaker 2: guys like dak Still, who I thought, can that breakup
Speaker 2: on that deep path late in the game and it
Speaker 2: was still a two possession game.
Speaker 1: That is not a turnover.
Speaker 2: That was a massive play and he didn't give up
Speaker 2: on the play too. That was the catch all the way.
Speaker 2: And it was his arm that dis watched the ball
Speaker 2: was not a drop. So you know, they're getting really
Speaker 2: good play from younger players. And Joseph Osai right, every
Speaker 2: time I see him, can I think of that heartbreaking
Speaker 2: moment against Joe Burrow in the AC Championship game a
Speaker 2: few years ago, he has two sacks. Last night he's
Speaker 2: getting a turkey legs as one of the players of
Speaker 2: the game. So I think he's getting a lot out
Speaker 2: of the underdeveloped players that haven't maybe reached fruition yet
Speaker 2: as far as their talent level. And he's simplifying things,
Speaker 2: which is making them react faster. And again, a lot
Speaker 2: of times it just comes down to, you know, putting
Speaker 2: your players in position to take advantage of the weaknesses
Speaker 2: on the other side of the of the ball. And
Speaker 2: they also they're not giving up on plays either. The
Speaker 2: fight in this team, and I do think that Al
Speaker 2: Golden has a lot to say in that. You know,
Speaker 2: they gave up some popcorn plays, the twenty eight yard
Speaker 2: run by Henry early, the big play by Henry at
Speaker 2: the end of the third quarter. They never let it
Speaker 2: add up and multiply it. It was never the domino.
Speaker 2: They would fight continuously, and I think that was a
Speaker 2: huge reason for their success.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Burrow. I mean, you can't understate what
Speaker 1: he did in an attempt to come back early from surgery.
Speaker 1: As he liked to say, for mere mortals, it's three
Speaker 1: months and we'll figure out where we are, he said
Speaker 1: for me, I just knew I was going to be
Speaker 1: back sooner than that, and he came back. Now, you
Speaker 1: look at his line last night, and you know, twenty
Speaker 1: four completions, forty six attempts to sixty one in yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. Here's the important thing. He wasn't sacked but
Speaker 1: once in this game. So if you look at that,
Speaker 1: and you look at Joe Burrow as a player, say, well,
Speaker 1: those are pedestrian numbers, There's really not a whole lot
Speaker 1: you know that would stand out from that. Accept accept
Speaker 1: he threw the ball forty six times last night. Forty
Speaker 1: six times last night. For a guy coming off toe
Speaker 1: surgery to be able to drop back or work out
Speaker 1: of the gun or avoid the rush to throw forty
Speaker 1: six times to me is amazing. This team looked so
Speaker 1: much more comfortable. No, this is not a slap at Flacco.
Speaker 1: Flacco energized this town and kept his team as best
Speaker 1: he could have flown. But that team just looked so
Speaker 1: much more energized and focused last night. It was almost
Speaker 1: like Daddy's home, you know, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it took on the look of what it's supposed to
Speaker 1: take on you can't. There's so many different levels of
Speaker 1: what Burrow brings to this team, but certainly that energy
Speaker 1: I think is right up there with anything he did
Speaker 1: last night statistically. A little bit about that, because everybody
Speaker 1: looked like they were on top of their game last
Speaker 1: night because he was back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. One other thing is super
Speaker 2: quick on the defense. They're also just tackling better, right,
Speaker 2: which is a simple thing to do, but it seems
Speaker 2: like they've improved in tackling. But I will say, ken,
Speaker 2: I think the only time myself eating last night is
Speaker 2: when I saw that on the TV. At one point
Speaker 2: he had forty two pass attempts. I was and here's
Speaker 2: the other thing too, on twenty one completions, that's fifty.
Speaker 2: To your point, he was playing so much better than
Speaker 2: his numbers would indicate. And I dare to say last
Speaker 2: night was probably the most impressed I've ever been watching
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow play football. And I think I've seen all
Speaker 2: of his regular season games, in all of his final
Speaker 2: games the last year at LSU, it may have been
Speaker 2: the most impressive given how long it's been since he's played.
Speaker 2: Given you know, he started practicing what you know two
Speaker 2: weeks ago on a limited capacity. And I know this,
Speaker 2: This Ravens defense isn't the Steel Curtain, but like it's
Speaker 2: still a formidable defense with a good secondary that's continuously
Speaker 2: gotten better, and he shredded them. And to your point,
Speaker 2: it was the way he he led the offense, the way,
Speaker 2: like you said, Daddy's home, everybody's on top of their game,
Speaker 2: the Christmas of the offense. And yeah, he throws were
Speaker 2: a little bit off earlier in the game, but that's
Speaker 2: obviously to be expected. But and that's why a lot
Speaker 2: of times you can't just look at the box score
Speaker 2: to define how a performance you know, had he had gone.
Speaker 2: Anybody that watched that game last night was including myself
Speaker 2: obviously I was blown away. And that touchdown passed to
Speaker 2: Yoshiv Ostrich, I think was kind of the Kaffer of
Speaker 2: the game, you know, and the play that kind of
Speaker 2: punched it. You cannot throw a football better than that,
Speaker 2: And the line was great, his pocket presence was great.
Speaker 2: And then also the sneak on fourth and one after
Speaker 2: they didn't score early in the game when they had
Speaker 2: ann in goal situation, that also I think showed the
Speaker 2: toughness of him and hey, I've got this foot, I've
Speaker 2: got the play itover.
Speaker 3: But I'm still a football player.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean the movement was great, the Christmas
Speaker 2: was great, you know, and not having T Higgins again,
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't have him, and you know p
Speaker 2: Ryan and the complimentary running game that he had with
Speaker 2: Chase Brown. It was it was a really cool thing
Speaker 2: to see. Was the best offensive performance I've seen from
Speaker 2: them in a very long time.
Speaker 1: Nine different players caught passes from Joe Burrow last night,
Speaker 1: distributing the ball very well. We're chatting with Briandardo cbssports
Speaker 1: dot Com. In the NFL, it's always what's next, and
Speaker 1: this is kind of like a mini buy. They don't
Speaker 1: play again until a week from Sunday at Buffalo. But
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I'm scoping out remaining schedules here
Speaker 1: and I think nine and eight is still in play
Speaker 1: to win this division. Certainly after last night for the Bengals,
Speaker 1: it's still nine to eight. I'm looking at the road ahead.
Speaker 1: Let's just take the big three Bengals, Baltimore, Pittsburgh. Baltimore
Speaker 1: has got a rough road. I mean, they get Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: next week in Baltimore. That's always I mean that's hand
Speaker 1: to hand combat right there. Then they have to come here.
Speaker 1: Then they go home and play maybe the best team
Speaker 1: in the AFC, the Patriots. Then they've got to go
Speaker 1: on the road and play a Green Bay team that
Speaker 1: looked terrific last night, and then they finished the season
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. I don't like to handicap how many wins
Speaker 1: are left in those games, those five games that they have,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you, compared to what Pittsburgh plays and
Speaker 1: compared to what the Bengals play, that's the roughest of
Speaker 1: the three roads. And if that offense doesn't get back
Speaker 1: on track for John Harbaugh, Baltimore may find itself not
Speaker 1: winning the division. It could conceivably finish third in the division.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I don't think they're they will make
Speaker 2: the playoffs given their their current trajectory and not taking
Speaker 2: anything away from the winning streak they just had, but
Speaker 2: they weren't facing murderers row And now the hard part
Speaker 2: of the schedules you allude to, it's coming up. I
Speaker 2: hope that their remaining schedule, the winning percentage is sixty percent.
Speaker 2: The Bengals is forty one, the Steelers is forty seven,
Speaker 2: so they clearly have the hardest road ahead. And and
Speaker 2: to your point, I think obviously these Steeler games for them,
Speaker 2: they're of the division games obviously for them are huge.
Speaker 2: They win those three games, they could get smashed by
Speaker 2: the Patriots and the Packers, and and they're gonna, I
Speaker 2: would say, win the division. They beat those three teams,
Speaker 2: they finished with nine wins, they'll have the division. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, those those games are obviously going to be
Speaker 2: the games determinate for them. But just beyond that, if
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is not healthy and isn't running, and that
Speaker 2: receiving corps isn't stepping up for him, and that defense
Speaker 2: isn't isn't getting better, this team isn't isn't going to
Speaker 2: go anywhere.
Speaker 4: So yeah, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think they will go as far as far
Speaker 2: as making the playoffs. I do think they'll probably finish
Speaker 2: somewhere in the eight win category. But but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I think the other big thing too, Ken, I mean,
Speaker 2: they barely used Derrick Henry last night. Sixty yards on
Speaker 2: ten carries, but half of that was basically on one carry,
Speaker 2: had the forty five yard catch and run. But they
Speaker 2: don't have a complimentary back from anymore. Justice Hill and
Speaker 2: Gus Edwards used to do a lot of work for
Speaker 2: them in the running game to complement Henry and they
Speaker 2: don't have that anymore. So they're missing that element of
Speaker 2: a run. And you saw it last night with the Bengals.
Speaker 2: They were not afraid of Lamar Jackson running. Was the
Speaker 2: last time you ever heard anybody say that. So until
Speaker 2: they get those things fixed, I think that they could
Speaker 2: backselight here in the last five games of the season.
Speaker 1: Now look at at Pittsburgh. You know, it's funny Buffalo
Speaker 1: made control who wins the AFC North Pittsburgh has got
Speaker 1: Buffalo at home on Sunday. Buffalo isn't the Buffalo of
Speaker 1: years gone by. They've got some real holes on that team.
Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting to see how Mike Tomlin's team
Speaker 1: comes out on Sunday. And who's a quarterback is obviously
Speaker 1: you know, the other issue there for them. But then
Speaker 1: they go to Baltimore Miami. You know, it looks like
Speaker 1: a layup, but who knows. And then at Detroit tough,
Speaker 1: at Cleveland always tough, finished with the Ravens. That is
Speaker 1: a really difficult schedule, and you compared to what the
Speaker 1: Bengals have left. They're at the Bills, they've played, you know, traditionally,
Speaker 1: they've played well at Buffalo. They got the Bills, and
Speaker 1: they're back home against Baltimore. We'll see where Baltimore's had
Speaker 1: is that at that point. The last three games honestly,
Speaker 1: they look like layups at Miami, against Arizona here and
Speaker 1: then against Cleveland here. So yeah, I think the Bengals
Speaker 1: have a pathway to nine wins. I think I think
Speaker 1: the I think Buffalo controls whether or not they get
Speaker 1: to nine, And obviously I think it is a large
Speaker 1: say in whether or not Pittsburgh gets to nine wins.
Speaker 1: But you know, who knows how these play these games
Speaker 1: play out. But I'll tell you this, as of this morning,
Speaker 1: compared to yesterday morning, at least the ray of sunshine
Speaker 1: is a little bit brighter here. Could you foresee a
Speaker 1: scenario of Cincinnati winning the AFC.
Speaker 2: North, Yeah, especially if they get through these next two games.
Speaker 2: Bill's Ravens then to your point, Yeah, I mean Bill's
Speaker 2: in some ways kind of control potentially who wins the North.
Speaker 2: But they get through these two games, and they have
Speaker 2: three games left against you know, teams with four, three
Speaker 2: and three wins respectively. There's no way I can see
Speaker 2: them losing those games. Now, here's kind of the wildcard.
Speaker 2: And this is the name that everybody's been talking about
Speaker 2: all year, Chaduere Sanders. So the Bagels play him week eighteen,
Speaker 2: and the Steelers play them late in the season as well.
Speaker 2: I think Week seventeen in Cleveland they just won. And
Speaker 2: that defense with Miles Garrett, he's gonna break the stack
Speaker 2: record this season, They've gotten a lot better. That defense
Speaker 2: has been good all year. So I'm not drinking the
Speaker 2: Sanders kool aid. But there is the kind of that
Speaker 2: wildcard there of you know, what is he going to
Speaker 2: bring this Browns team that's been missing, and so that
Speaker 2: could be kind of they also, I think, are gonna
Speaker 2: have to say and who wins this division? But I
Speaker 2: will say, yeah, I think for the Bengals, these next
Speaker 2: two weeks are are imperative. You win these games, you're
Speaker 2: potentially in the driver's seat and the game to your point.
Speaker 2: With the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers at that cast, he's going
Speaker 2: to try to play this weekend. But yeah, neither neither
Speaker 2: of these teams are trending this is such a winnable
Speaker 2: division as long as Bengals can get through these next
Speaker 2: two games.
Speaker 1: Well, Brian Diardo, you have helped keep hope alive here
Speaker 1: in the Queens City. I think last night kept hope
Speaker 1: alive for everybody. We're at Leeds who knows. It just
Speaker 1: feels good to be able to talk about a win
Speaker 1: after every single day after game here for the last
Speaker 1: couple of months has been like Dresden. Now at least
Speaker 1: there's a ray of sunshine out there, and we thank
Speaker 1: you for helping us apply to sunblock this morning. You
Speaker 1: stay well. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving and
Speaker 1: we'll visit down the road. Brian, stay well, you as well.
Speaker 4: Ken.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ryandardo cbssports dot com. I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: annoy anything. I'm not ready to say anything except that
Speaker 1: it's still got life. Nine twenty seven on this Friday,
Speaker 1: Good morning and good luck if you're out there trying
Speaker 1: to get Black Friday deals at any of these department stores.
Speaker 1: It's not as crazy as it used to be because
Speaker 1: of the Internet, but I imagine it's a frenzy. On
Speaker 1: news radio seven hundred w WELW. Whatever you do if
Speaker 1: you go to a John Mellencamp concert. Make sure you
Speaker 1: sing the right words or John will stop the show
Speaker 1: and chastise you. I saw that happen at the Aradoff
Speaker 1: Center a couple of years ago. Yes, actually that I
Speaker 1: saw him again at well yeah, Riverbend two summers ago.
Speaker 1: It was Mellencamp opened and he was phenomenal. I mean,
Speaker 1: his band was tight, and he looked like he was
Speaker 1: having a good time. A lot of times he's on stage,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like he's having a good time. He
Speaker 1: was having a good time and looked good, looked in
Speaker 1: great shape. Bob Dylan came out after him. We were
Speaker 1: sitting six rows back and I couldn't tell you six
Speaker 1: words that Bob Dylan sang or said in that show.
Speaker 1: It's just a different Bobdoe on these days. And then
Speaker 1: it was Willie Nelson. And of course, if you can
Speaker 1: see Willie Nelson at any age, and I would suggest
Speaker 1: seeing him quickly, it's a fun show.
Speaker 5: But there you go.
Speaker 1: A little Jack and Diane on the show today. So
Speaker 1: how did this alleged assassin, this Afghan get into our
Speaker 1: country and shoot these two National guards men one woman,
Speaker 1: one man in Washington, d C. How did he get
Speaker 1: in and why was he in? And was anybody vetted
Speaker 1: when they had that catastrophic invasion of our country under
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. We'll get into that at ten oh six.
Speaker 1: Also getting laid off. It is going to happen, and
Speaker 1: it's going to happen a lot more in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six than it did in twenty twenty five. It just will.
Speaker 1: AI is beginning to sink its teeth into a lot
Speaker 1: of jobs, and it might be your job. But some
Speaker 1: companies are we out. Instead of bringing you into an
Speaker 1: office and telling you how much she meant to the
Speaker 1: company and thanking you for your service and giving you
Speaker 1: some sort of check, some money to get you through
Speaker 1: the next couple of months, which will be tough, this
Speaker 1: would be life imitating art. Virtual layoffs. In other words,
Speaker 1: you sit down in front of a computer and you
Speaker 1: watch somebody at the other end of the computer tell
Speaker 1: you your services are no longer needed. Do you remember
Speaker 1: that movie with George Clooney in it about fifteen years
Speaker 1: ago called Up in the Air? Promise in the movie
Speaker 1: is he flies all over the country and just basically
Speaker 1: lays people off. He's a hatchet man for a Corporate America,
Speaker 1: and he teams with, not teams with he has an
Speaker 1: affair with, but he teems and has this affair with
Speaker 1: a woman who is doing the same thing, but she's
Speaker 1: doing it virtually. One person is in a room, she's
Speaker 1: in another room. They never meet. Well, listen, it's life
Speaker 1: imitating art and it may bite you. How to know
Speaker 1: what it might be happening. We'll get into that. And
Speaker 1: then if you're out shopping today, know that you are
Speaker 1: not spending as much money this year as you spent
Speaker 1: last year. You may think I'm gonna pretty much know
Speaker 1: there is now hard evidence that Black Friday is not
Speaker 1: going to be like Black Fridays of years gone by,
Speaker 1: and what does that mean for retail? And finally, the
Speaker 1: game is tomorrow Michigan Ohio State. The one team standing
Speaker 1: in front of Ohio State and an L perfecto regular
Speaker 1: season is the Michigan Wolverines. This is a thorn in
Speaker 1: the side of Ryan Day. This is a big thorn
Speaker 1: in the side of Ryan Day, and he's going to
Speaker 1: have to overcome it tomorrow. He pulled it off last year,
Speaker 1: you know, he lost and then he won the College
Speaker 1: Football Playoff Championship. But if you don't beat Michigan, and
Speaker 1: the boys downtown, as they say, are not happy that
Speaker 1: and a UC game tomorrow against TCU. If they get
Speaker 1: to eight wins, I think they get to a decent bowl,
Speaker 1: and not a bowl game where they have to play
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day all that before we're done.
Speaker 1: So this game last night, I'm watching it and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to stay calm. I don't try to get too
Speaker 1: high too low when things, you know, get get off
Speaker 1: the rails. And I'm watching Burrow and I'm watching this guy,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe with each ensuing snap that this
Speaker 1: guy had major surgery on his foot less than three
Speaker 1: months ago, and he's out there running all over the field,
Speaker 1: throwing the ball downfield, spreading the ball to nine different
Speaker 1: receivers fourty six times twenty four of forty six, two
Speaker 1: sixty one. So after the game, during the scrum with
Speaker 1: the media, he was asked to great himself. Here's what
Speaker 1: he had to say.
Speaker 6: You know, I thought second half, I started to put
Speaker 6: it more where I wanted and settled in a little bit.
Speaker 6: Certainly missed him throws early that I typically make. But
Speaker 6: you know, after that, I felt felt pretty comfortable back there.
Speaker 6: I thought the on line did great, We ran it well.
Speaker 6: Obviously defense played great, So I'm just gonna keep getting better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. Last night was just the appetizer,
Speaker 1: and it was good that he had his buddy with him.
Speaker 1: You know, Jamar Chase. You know the old line that
Speaker 1: Burrow had all cleaned it up for radio. You know,
Speaker 1: with all else fails, just throw it up there, Jamar.
Speaker 1: Somewhere fourteen targets for Chase last night. Chase with seven
Speaker 1: catches one hundred and ten yards, that's about sixteen yards
Speaker 1: a catch. Didn't catch one in the end zone. Asked
Speaker 1: after the game, Degrade, how Joe.
Speaker 7: Did overall feel like we could have capitalized a lot more.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure he could say the same, but I said,
Speaker 7: think he did a good job of just keeping him
Speaker 7: a minum going with he had opportunities to keep it
Speaker 7: going and Captain Roizen on those situation for the offense.
Speaker 1: Late third quarter, late third quarter. This is a nineteen
Speaker 1: fourteen game, Bengals by six twenty nine yards out Burrow
Speaker 1: to andre Yosi Vash that was with about fifteen seconds
Speaker 1: to go in the third quarter. Made the finals, made
Speaker 1: the score twenty six to fourteen, even though that was
Speaker 1: a twelve point lead. With the way the Ravens were
Speaker 1: so an apt on offense last night, largely due to
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense, I thought that was pretty much ballgame.
Speaker 1: And as Burrow grated himself last night, he said afterwards,
Speaker 1: it was that particular pass where he thought he was
Speaker 1: at his best.
Speaker 6: That touched on to Yoshi. I felt pretty good about it.
Speaker 6: Was put it right where I wanted it. Didn't exactly
Speaker 6: spend it the way I wanted it, but that's all right.
Speaker 6: I put it, put in a good spot, and you
Speaker 6: know he was ready for the look.
Speaker 5: Bowen was down cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt good. And the other thing that I
Speaker 1: you got to look at, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: downplay Burrow coming back, but look at the field position
Speaker 1: they had all night. And this again is largely because
Speaker 1: of the defense. I mean, the worst field position that
Speaker 1: they had last night was their own twenty yard line.
Speaker 1: Their own twenty yard line, they were getting the ball
Speaker 1: out near the forty consistently all game, forty seventy yard
Speaker 1: line after an interception, forty eight after downs, thirty nine
Speaker 1: after a punt. So when Zach was asked about Joe
Speaker 1: last night, he said.
Speaker 8: Our defense gave us the ability to do that. Our
Speaker 8: defense gave him and our offense a chance to really
Speaker 8: settle in and find our rhythm to really explore there
Speaker 8: in the second half. And so Joe's done such a
Speaker 8: great job handling as rehab, handling, the preparation for this
Speaker 8: game gave us a lot of confidence. And then to
Speaker 8: go there and be able to play on the road
Speaker 8: in difficult circumstances, I thought was awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, So as you might expect in the other
Speaker 1: locker room, it was a completely different story the Ravens
Speaker 1: just they were inept on offense, and again a lot
Speaker 1: of it was due to the Bengals defense. Harbaugh said,
Speaker 1: what the Bengals did defensively was not anything that they
Speaker 1: did not expect. But you have your quarterback who was
Speaker 1: intercepted once, you have four fumbles and you lose all
Speaker 1: of them, and your quarterback is responsible for three of them.
Speaker 1: So you might imagine what John Harbaugh felt like after
Speaker 1: the game with all of those turnovers.
Speaker 9: It's just one of those kind of games. I mean,
Speaker 9: we had a bad game with that. You know, we
Speaker 9: did not protect the football. It's not good. You know,
Speaker 9: it's it's on me. I'm a coach, you know, and
Speaker 9: my job is to make it clearity of the guys.
Speaker 9: That's not okay. You know, you put the ball away.
Speaker 9: You protected football. That's how it's done. And you know,
Speaker 9: you catch it, you put it away, you finish that,
Speaker 9: you finish the run, You do whatever you got to
Speaker 9: do to protect the football because that's job one. I mean,
Speaker 9: that's that's what wins and loses games. Our guys know that.
Speaker 9: Everybody knows it, and it's my responsibility to make sure
Speaker 9: they understand that. And then we practice it that way
Speaker 9: every single day and it carries over to the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've had problems protecting the football in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of historically. I mean, Derrick Henry has had
Speaker 1: problems protecting the ball. He didn't finish, he didn't fumble
Speaker 1: last night. And another thing, this goes back to what
Speaker 1: I was talking about with Yardo. Twelve times the Ravens
Speaker 1: got the ball last night. They got the ball last
Speaker 1: night in twelve was twelve or thirteen thirteen times? Thirteen
Speaker 1: times they got the ball last night. Six six drives
Speaker 1: started with zero or fewer yards. You put a team
Speaker 1: in the hole on first down, chance says, ay you're
Speaker 1: winning on third down. The turnovers were bad, but a
Speaker 1: lot of it was because I think of this relentless
Speaker 1: pressure that they put on Lamar Jackson. You can almost
Speaker 1: tell that Jackson wasn't expecting it. You know, Harbaugh said, yes,
Speaker 1: we knew about it and all that. Of course, that's
Speaker 1: what a coach is going to say. He's not going
Speaker 1: to say you didn't see that coming and make him
Speaker 1: look like a dummy. But it was just relentable, and
Speaker 1: Joseph Osai in particular was absolutely outstanding. You know, you
Speaker 1: wait for games like this and you hope that this
Speaker 1: becomes a consistency thing with him. But Osi last night
Speaker 1: four tackles, three solo, two sacks, two FuMB tackles for loss.
Speaker 1: He hit the quarterback, he hit Jackson four times, and
Speaker 1: he fought forced to fumble. Even he was crowing about
Speaker 1: the turnovers. Yeah, exactly, exactly, And it only takes one.
Speaker 7: Everybody knows when it comes to the football, they come
Speaker 7: in a bunch of it only takes one.
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what happened today.
Speaker 10: And that's just giving the younger.
Speaker 7: Guys hope to keep working at it, keep working other things.
Speaker 1: You know that the top secure of the punch that tip.
Speaker 3: Get your knnds up.
Speaker 1: If you're not getting it to the rest, get.
Speaker 5: Your hands up.
Speaker 3: You can tip a past change the games.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. So it's good to see
Speaker 1: for third, that's exactly what happened. And Lamar Jackson looked
Speaker 1: like a shell of himself. He's not right. I can
Speaker 1: tell you he's not right. He's not running as strongly
Speaker 1: as he is run in the past. And now he's
Speaker 1: got a toe problem. Now he's had an ongoing knee problem,
Speaker 1: just getting over a hamstring problem. But you look at
Speaker 1: his line seventeen to thirty two two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: six yards. Three times, he was sacked three times, he
Speaker 1: gave the ball up and he was intercepted once. I
Speaker 1: mean literally, it looked like it was his first day
Speaker 1: in a football uniform yesterday. So here he was after
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 10: I can't describe the level of frustration. You know, I'm
Speaker 10: ticked off. You know, it's not even fuss with them
Speaker 10: his mac like I said, okay, have to it turned
Speaker 10: over a bit part of winning losing games and turning
Speaker 10: the ball over giving them an extra possession.
Speaker 1: This is the outcome. That was the outcome, and now
Speaker 1: it's on the Buffalo a week from Sunday. They have
Speaker 1: beaten Buffalo up there, regardless of weather. Buffalo is not
Speaker 1: the Buffalo of what we remember. They've lost some games
Speaker 1: this year and have looked poorly doing it. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: has looked suspect in several games this year. Buffalo is
Speaker 1: still a good team, don't get me wrong. And Buffalo
Speaker 1: has got to go to Pittsburgh this week and then
Speaker 1: play the Bengals a week from Sunday. Buffalo is going
Speaker 1: to have a very large hand as to who wins
Speaker 1: the AFC North. But the Bengals now are four and eight.
Speaker 1: There are three and one inside the division, four and
Speaker 1: four inside the conference. Does nine wins win that division?
Speaker 1: If if Pittsburgh wins on Sunday, I think nine wins
Speaker 1: won't do it. I think Pittsburgh can get I think
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh can get the ten wins if they win on Sunday,
Speaker 1: because they played Miami, they played Cleveland, and they played
Speaker 1: the Ravens twice. But Pittsburgh is a shaky team too,
Speaker 1: as we know, as for the Bengals, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean it's winning, move on, Just win and move on.
Speaker 1: It's just one more game. That's what Zach Panter had
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 8: We're just gonna keep fighting one week at a time.
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 8: We got Buffalo ten days from now. That's our focus.
Speaker 8: We just try to control that. Don't worry about the
Speaker 8: big picture right now. Just keep taking one game at
Speaker 8: a time. This is the exact position we were in
Speaker 8: last year, you know, and so unfortunately we've been here.
Speaker 8: We know how to dig our way out of it,
Speaker 8: and that's what's going to take.
Speaker 1: We'll see if they had lost last night, different conversation.
Speaker 1: But they win, it's still very much a possibility. Probability,
Speaker 1: maybe not possibility. Yes, Baltimore's schedule is ridiculously tough. They
Speaker 1: go to Pittsburgh a week from Sunday, then they're out
Speaker 1: here a week after that. Then they go home and
Speaker 1: play the best team at least at this point in
Speaker 1: the AFC, maybe the NFL, the Patriots. Then they got
Speaker 1: to finish the season at Green Bay and at Pittsburgh. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Bengals bill's next Baltimore here at Miami. Miamy's playing better,
Speaker 1: but that should be a win home against Arizona. They've
Speaker 1: already started to warm up the cars for the end
Speaker 1: of the season. And then here against Cleveland could be
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders probably will be, will be Miles Garrett. It
Speaker 1: won't be a layup. But you would think if they
Speaker 1: get by the next two, they're in pretty darn good
Speaker 1: shape in a division that is not as strong as
Speaker 1: everyone thought it would be. But all you got to
Speaker 1: do is just win it. It is coming up on
Speaker 1: nine four. How did that alleged assassin from Afghanistan get
Speaker 1: and stay in this country? And how many more are
Speaker 1: running around this country just like him? Who do we
Speaker 1: blame for that? And how do we fix it? It
Speaker 1: is nine fifty five. It is Friday, ken Brew for
Speaker 1: Scott Sloan News Radio seven hundred WLW Black Friday. You're
Speaker 1: out and about with the masses. Good luck. We feared
Speaker 1: this was coming when Joe Biden opened the borders and
Speaker 1: let anybody into this country, not just from the southern borders,
Speaker 1: but airlifts from Afghanistan. We feared that a lot of
Speaker 1: the people that came into this country were not here
Speaker 1: to say, let's just say, integrate themselves into the American
Speaker 1: Way and try to become good Sidney Sins. There was
Speaker 1: no vetting the southern border was invaded, all under the
Speaker 1: auspices of Joe Biden and his band of merry men
Speaker 1: that presided over this country for four years. And then
Speaker 1: of course there was the airlived from Afghanistan, when there
Speaker 1: was just that absolutely horrific, tragic and embarrassing pull out
Speaker 1: from a country that we have been involved with militarily
Speaker 1: and financially, and from at least on a certain level,
Speaker 1: trying to tamp down terrorism over the course of the
Speaker 1: last forty years. And now we've seen what might have
Speaker 1: been a fallout of that. Two National Guardsmen on duty
Speaker 1: for our country in Washington, DC were shot on Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: One Sarah bectram A Bekstrum of West Virginia, has died
Speaker 1: and the man accused of attache Bekskrum and another guardsman
Speaker 1: was identified as a twenty nine year old Afghan by
Speaker 1: the name of Rama Noula La Khanwall. He was taken
Speaker 1: in to custody after the attack. He apparently drove from
Speaker 1: Washington State cross country to Washington, DC with the intent
Speaker 1: of shooting and killing Americans in the uniform and in
Speaker 1: this case National guardsman, he used the three point fifty
Speaker 1: seven Smith and Wesson revolver and quite frankly, who didn't
Speaker 1: see this coming? Now? Of course, the Democrats who hate
Speaker 1: Trump and everything is Trump's fault. If a dog takes
Speaker 1: a dump on your front lawn and the owner doesn't
Speaker 1: clean it up, they blame Donald Trump. They're saying, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute now, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden let him in the country. But forget about
Speaker 1: that for a second. Donald Trump and his administration greater
Speaker 1: than asylum, great of this person asylum and all these
Speaker 1: other Afghans that are in this country running around God
Speaker 1: knows where, thinking about God knows doing what it was.
Speaker 1: It was Donald Trump who gave them asylum. Really is
Speaker 1: the story here? And is there someone to blame? And
Speaker 1: if it is, let's find out. Andrew Arthur is someone
Speaker 1: who is well esteemed, well versed in all things immigration.
Speaker 1: He writes for the Center for Immigration Studies CIS dot
Speaker 1: Org is where you can find his work, as well
Speaker 1: as others that are just absolutely terrific in chronicling what
Speaker 1: has happened to this country from an illegal immigration standpoint.
Speaker 1: Over the last five years, and he's kind enough to
Speaker 1: carve out some of his time to be with us
Speaker 1: here today on seven hundred WLWWN Andrew Arthur, how are
Speaker 1: you on this glorious Friday.
Speaker 12: Get I'm doing great. I wish we had a better
Speaker 12: topic to talk about. I wish we were talking about
Speaker 12: Ohio State versus Michigan. But unfortunately we're not.
Speaker 1: We are not, Andrew, we are not all right. So look,
Speaker 1: we all saw the retreat from Afghanistan. It happened very
Speaker 1: early in Joe Biden's administration. Thirteen brave Americans were killed.
Speaker 1: They were brought back to Dover. That's how they arrived
Speaker 1: back in the country. Biden stood there looking at his
Speaker 1: watch trying to figure out how long it was until
Speaker 1: ice cream. And that happened very early in his administration.
Speaker 1: I want to say, August of twenty twenty one, and
Speaker 1: now here we have on that airlift. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of people that were in Afghanistan that were just
Speaker 1: shoved into airplanes sent to this country, admittedly not vetted
Speaker 1: with in person interviews. That was an admission by may Orcus,
Speaker 1: who expertly presided over the demise of DHS over the
Speaker 1: last four years. And here we have what happened today.
Speaker 1: Whose fault is it that this guy that had gotten
Speaker 1: down to National guardsmen in Washington, d C. This twenty
Speaker 1: nine year old Rama Nula la Conwell, Whose fault is
Speaker 1: it that he is in this country?
Speaker 12: Well, Ken, you have to go back to the beginning.
Speaker 12: You have to go back to September eleventh. The reason
Speaker 12: that we were in Afghanistan was because Osama bin Laden
Speaker 12: was sheltered by the Taliban, by the religious fundamentalists who
Speaker 12: had taken over the country of Afghanistan. We went into
Speaker 12: Afghanistan and we allied with certain groups that were opposed
Speaker 12: to Taliban there and you know, by and large we
Speaker 12: managed to drive the Taliban out of Kabul, out of
Speaker 12: the major cities, but we never really had control of
Speaker 12: the country. Again, we you know, allied with certain groups
Speaker 12: that were in that country, and you know, purportedly those
Speaker 12: individuals were vetted. But if you remember a phrase that
Speaker 12: was common at the time, green on blue attacks, those
Speaker 12: were attacked by our purported Afghan allies who had purportedly
Speaker 12: been vetted, who you know, then attacked NATO forces, including
Speaker 12: American forces in the Hindu Kush and those were, you know,
Speaker 12: rather me your black eyes for the Department of Defense
Speaker 12: at the time, who were supposed to be doing all
Speaker 12: this setting Now, the vetting that you could do in
Speaker 12: Afghanistan is only as good as the information that.
Speaker 3: You have, and well, given the.
Speaker 12: Parloist nature of Afghanistan since the nineteen eighties, there really
Speaker 12: was a lot of good information to go on, which
Speaker 12: is how we had those green on blue attacks. But
Speaker 12: nonetheless we began giving out visas special immigrant thesas to
Speaker 12: you know, Afghans who had served in the United States.
Speaker 12: That brings us up to August to twenty twenty one,
Speaker 12: the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, when one hundred and twenty
Speaker 12: four thousand people putting six thousand United States citizens but
Speaker 12: under twenty four thousand, largely in vetted people were packed
Speaker 12: onto I think it was c. Seventeens and flown out
Speaker 12: of Kamid Karzai Airport. We'd actually abandoned our own airport
Speaker 12: at that time in Afghanistan. So they were flown to
Speaker 12: what were called lily pads in the Middle East and
Speaker 12: in Europe, and vetting was supposed to take place, you know,
Speaker 12: before any of those people were sent on to what
Speaker 12: were called safe.
Speaker 3: Havens in the United States.
Speaker 12: The problem, as the Department of Defense Inspector General found
Speaker 12: in February of twenty twenty two, was that half of
Speaker 12: those people, the ones who were vetted by DHS not DoD,
Speaker 12: weren't actually thoroughly vetted. They weren't thoroughly vetted against DoD resources,
Speaker 12: and those people had already been released into the United States. Now,
Speaker 12: mister lockanal actually did you know? He was eligible for
Speaker 12: one of those special immigrant pieces, but he didn't get it.
Speaker 12: That's a rather lengthy process. So instead of that, he
Speaker 12: applied for asylum in the United States and he was
Speaker 12: granted that in April. The problem, again, Ken, is that
Speaker 12: vetting is only as good as the.
Speaker 3: Information that you have available.
Speaker 12: And with respects to you know, a lot of those people,
Speaker 12: I can't tell you how many, because we're never going
Speaker 12: to know. We really don't have the ability to vet
Speaker 12: any of them, and you know.
Speaker 3: We don't really know the background.
Speaker 12: We don't really know whether they were with the towel
Speaker 12: ban or whether they were pro American.
Speaker 3: This particular event hits very.
Speaker 12: Close to home for me because the Farragut West Metro
Speaker 12: where this shooting took place is actually the one that
Speaker 12: I take when I go to my office on Key
Speaker 12: Street in Washington, DC. Very familiar with it and I
Speaker 12: always say hey to the to the National Guardsmen who
Speaker 12: are there, and I thanked him for being there, and
Speaker 12: you know, I'm more grateful now. I don't think that,
Speaker 12: you know, and again we're it's going to take us
Speaker 12: a while to figure this out. I don't necessarily think
Speaker 12: that he just meant to.
Speaker 3: Kill National guardsmen.
Speaker 12: That's a very busy metro and it's the one that
Speaker 12: serves the White House.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, but he did, and although he came, he
Speaker 1: was although six thousand I think what you said were
Speaker 1: United States citizens that were on those planes that carried
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four thousand people out From what
Speaker 1: I'm from what I'm reading here, people were just being
Speaker 1: shoved into planes. There was no vetting. Then they went
Speaker 1: to these lily pads, as you mentioned, and they were
Speaker 1: all over Europe and some of them wound up here
Speaker 1: in the United States. So the Conwall dude was running around.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew who he was. From what we were we're
Speaker 1: being told he was living in Squalor in Bellingham, Washington.
Speaker 1: There were no beds in the place. They were sleeping
Speaker 1: on floors. And the family that he brought over here with,
Speaker 1: and there were certainly a large number of people who
Speaker 1: are Afghan nationals that fought alongside the United States servicemen
Speaker 1: to try and preserve some order of peace in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: But by and large, this was an ideology of the
Speaker 1: Biden administration to just let anybody in and here come
Speaker 1: the Afghans. You know, well, you know, the Chinese and
Speaker 1: the Venezuelans and the Colombians are coming through the southern border.
Speaker 1: That's taken care of. Now let's get some Afghans over here.
Speaker 1: So he's running around the country doing god knows what
Speaker 1: he's in this country, and I believe you said in
Speaker 1: April he was granted asylum. Now the Democrats are arguing
Speaker 1: that this is Trump's fault, that it was the Trump
Speaker 1: administration that granted him asylum. Trump is saying, well, wait
Speaker 1: a minute. I mean, the laws are structured the way
Speaker 1: they are. We had no choice, you can't find it.
Speaker 1: We had to give him asylum. So at some point
Speaker 1: the finger pointing has to intersect. And I'm hearing two
Speaker 1: different arguments here. So if Biden led him into the country.
Speaker 1: Is Trump responsible for letting him stay inside the country?
Speaker 1: How does that work? Andrew?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 12: You know, to be granted asylum, all you have to
Speaker 12: do is show well founded fear and well, if you
Speaker 12: served in any capacity with the United States, it's fair
Speaker 12: to say that the Taliban is probably going to harm you.
Speaker 12: But simply because you've been granted asylum doesn't mean you've
Speaker 12: been vetted. And those immigration judges, and remember I was one,
Speaker 12: they're relying upon the information that the government presents, and
Speaker 12: the government is relying upon the information that our intelligence
Speaker 12: agencies present. And you know, I don't want to sound
Speaker 12: good about a situation in which you know, one person
Speaker 12: was wounded, one died, but that vetting process truly is
Speaker 12: a garbage in, garbage out process. If we don't know
Speaker 12: anything about these people, if we know the attacks have
Speaker 12: taken place on our servicemen in Afghanistan, and then we
Speaker 12: you know, load people higgleby Piggley and apparently you know,
Speaker 12: Biden had given the order he wanted those planes overloaded.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 12: We weren't able to vet those people when we were
Speaker 12: bringing them out. You can remember the pictures, you know,
Speaker 12: This was a patchwork process, and it was one again
Speaker 12: that you know, not yesterday. Back in February of twenty
Speaker 12: twenty two, the Department of Defense Inspector General was warning
Speaker 12: that this was a danger to the United States. And
Speaker 12: I think that the Trump administration has taken the right
Speaker 12: move here at this time. It's not really closing the
Speaker 12: barn door, but it's identifying that you've got a problem
Speaker 12: you need to resolve. Yeah, they want to loading down
Speaker 12: all of those asylum applications right now until we can
Speaker 12: get better information or move those folks someplace out.
Speaker 1: Well, they want the the president wants to revet some
Speaker 1: people that weren't vetted in the first place. They want
Speaker 1: us to revent who's in this country. You're you're going
Speaker 1: to go ahead and find it was one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty six thousand, less eight thousand that worked for the government,
Speaker 1: and maybe another two thousand, let's let's be more generous,
Speaker 1: there maybe another five thousand that fought side by side
Speaker 1: with Americans. So if you're going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: try and find one hundred and twenty thousand Afghans that
Speaker 1: are in this country, some of whom may be here
Speaker 1: to do harm, some of whom may be here just
Speaker 1: to assimilate into society. Who knows he's not going to
Speaker 1: be able to do that, is he He's not going
Speaker 1: to be able to rout all these people up, is he?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 12: But the one thing that he can do is stop
Speaker 12: the process at this point, prevent them from getting permanent
Speaker 12: status in the United States. And you know, it's important
Speaker 12: to note en there's a lot of untapped DoD intelligence
Speaker 12: that we had. If there was an ied we would
Speaker 12: pick up fingerprints from it. There was intelligence that we
Speaker 12: had received on the ground. We spent trillions with the
Speaker 12: key in Afghanistan, and that's you know, probably one of
Speaker 12: the most shameful situations that came out of all of this.
Speaker 12: But we do have information. It's now up to the
Speaker 12: Director of National Intelligence to you know, shepherd all of
Speaker 12: that information together, to take it from the various three
Speaker 12: letter agencies, and to you know, compile it for every
Speaker 12: person that comes across. Some of those people can are
Speaker 12: not going to be able to resettle in this country.
Speaker 12: We will end up having to move them out. But
Speaker 12: compare this, contrast this to the way that this you
Speaker 12: know that a program like this would normally happen we
Speaker 12: wouldn't put these people on planes and fly them to
Speaker 12: the United States. We would send them to refugee camps
Speaker 12: that we would pay for in countries.
Speaker 3: Like Pakistan, you know, which is a nominal ally of
Speaker 3: the United States.
Speaker 12: And it's only at that point that we would actually,
Speaker 12: you know, go through that vetting process on the ground
Speaker 12: close to where all of this happened. We're going to
Speaker 12: be relying upon a lot of our allies in the
Speaker 12: region to give us additional information. We're also going to
Speaker 12: be relying upon a lot of our allies in the
Speaker 12: region to take these people, to put them into refugee
Speaker 12: camps so that they can be properly processed. Don't be
Speaker 12: surprised that that's not the next stage of this, of
Speaker 12: this entire scheme that the President is crafting. And you know,
Speaker 12: I insistate that there will be a more fulsome vetting,
Speaker 12: and I got a feeling that we're going to find
Speaker 12: some pretty bad actors as a result of that point.
Speaker 1: I think, I think you're right, and you're right when
Speaker 1: you said a couple of minutes ago, garbage in, garbage
Speaker 1: out on vetting. Where do you go to find information
Speaker 1: on a farmer who was in the hills of Afghanistan
Speaker 1: and nobody knows who the hell he is, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's running around the United States
Speaker 1: of America because he was airlifted here. I mean, the
Speaker 1: information on a lot of these guys and women have
Speaker 1: to be pretty sketchy at best.
Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, absolutely, especially when you're talking about Afghans, because
Speaker 12: you know, you have a date of birth, and that
Speaker 12: is a marker that will follow you for the rest
Speaker 12: of your life when you talk about Afghanistan. And I've
Speaker 12: seen you know, keep in mind, I used to, you know,
Speaker 12: head up the National Security Law Division at the I
Speaker 12: and S. A lot of these people don't actually have
Speaker 12: dates of birth like you and I do. Their date
Speaker 12: of birth is January one, you know, because the year
Speaker 12: that you were born.
Speaker 3: Is your birthday.
Speaker 12: And so you know, we our ability to know anything
Speaker 12: about those people is difficult.
Speaker 3: They can change their names very easily.
Speaker 12: And you know, the Taliban isn't giving us any information
Speaker 12: out of Afghanistan today, So we are wholly relying upon
Speaker 12: the information that we gathered when we were on the ground.
Speaker 12: We're relying upon the information that our allies in the region,
Speaker 12: you know, are going to be giving us. But yeah,
Speaker 12: I mean this, this truly is one of those situations
Speaker 12: where you're looking for a black book in the middle
Speaker 12: of the night.
Speaker 1: In a lot of these cases, Andrew Arthur, We're we
Speaker 1: are going to pay for what happened in the last
Speaker 1: five years with regards to what Biden did to this
Speaker 1: country in terms of who got in and no vetting
Speaker 1: and an open Southern board. We're going we are going
Speaker 1: to pay for this for decades. And it's not going
Speaker 1: to be every day. It just has to be one
Speaker 1: day every so often. And unfortunately that one day was
Speaker 1: in was in this week on Wednesday for those two
Speaker 1: National guardsmen. I can't you and I have talked enough
Speaker 1: over the last few years to know that we're in
Speaker 1: a situation right now in this country. We've got to
Speaker 1: find out who people are and in the why they're here,
Speaker 1: what they want to do, and in the process we
Speaker 1: have to not only work around judges, we have to
Speaker 1: work around local officials like mayors and governors who don't
Speaker 1: want that kind of information out and want to keep
Speaker 1: these people here and are working not in concert with
Speaker 1: the United States but against the United States. This is
Speaker 1: this is going to be a laborious, difficult process. I
Speaker 1: think Andrew that's going to take decad aid. Would you
Speaker 1: agree we lost Andrew? Okay, nevertheless, that's how I feel
Speaker 1: it will be. I hope I'm wrong. US Attorney General
Speaker 1: Pambondy said yesterday on Thanksgiving they will seek the death
Speaker 1: penalty for this rama. Noula Lachuanal, who is the alleged
Speaker 1: gunman in the shooting. One of the guardsmen, Sarah Beckstrom
Speaker 1: of West Virginia, has already died. The other is in
Speaker 1: critical condition. His name is Andrew Wolf. She's going to
Speaker 1: seek the death penalty in the US District Court of Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. To Pambondi, I say good luck getting that,
Speaker 1: but at least you have to pursue it. It is
Speaker 1: ten twenty six on this Friday, news radio seven hundred
Speaker 1: WYLW got scared for a moment. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a readout of some ekg I was taking welcome back
Speaker 1: seven hundred well w ken Brew for Scott Sloan on
Speaker 1: this day after Thanksgiving. But you are with us. I
Speaker 1: don't say that capriciously because without you, who would I be?
Speaker 1: I would be simply one man sitting in a room
Speaker 1: babbling to himself incoherently, Why would I have to leave
Speaker 1: home to do that eleven o'clock. If you're out shopping today,
Speaker 1: know this not just you, but everyone else spending less
Speaker 1: on Black Friday this year. And why, Well, I guess
Speaker 1: the easy answer is the economy. But we'll attempt to
Speaker 1: dive deeper into the wise coming up at eleven oh six.
Speaker 1: It's never an easy day when you are laid off
Speaker 1: or fired, just isn't. In fact, it's probably one of
Speaker 1: the worst days in your life. You would like to
Speaker 1: think that it's not an easy thing for the person
Speaker 1: who is doing the laying off for firing, but they
Speaker 1: will have a job at the end of the day
Speaker 1: and you will not. But there's one way to deal
Speaker 1: with it that would be at least you, and another
Speaker 1: way to deal with it that is increasingly becoming more
Speaker 1: popular and less humane, and that is virtually laying off
Speaker 1: or firing somebody. Amazon is an example. Amazon began laying
Speaker 1: off fourteen thousand employees last month, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the people who were being laid off learned of their
Speaker 1: fate by a text or perhaps a zoom call telling
Speaker 1: them that their services are no longer needed. Now The idea,
Speaker 1: of course, for the company is to communicate the bad
Speaker 1: news as quickly as possible, but it does seem a
Speaker 1: little inhumane to do it the way Amazon is doing it.
Speaker 1: It is really life imitating art. Remember that movie back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, I think it starred George
Speaker 1: Clooney called Up in the Air. He was basically a
Speaker 1: corporate hatchman, and he would hatchet man, and he would
Speaker 1: fly from city to city doing the dirty work that
Speaker 1: people in the C suite did not want to do.
Speaker 1: And it eventually came a part of the plot where
Speaker 1: it was being done by conference call, not even a
Speaker 1: face to face meeting. Anyway. Amazon has had some problems
Speaker 1: with this, glitches and zoom calls and things like that,
Speaker 1: and it leads one to wonder, why don't you just
Speaker 1: have the compassion and offer the dignity of telling someone
Speaker 1: face to face that their services are no longer needed.
Speaker 1: Someone else who's wondering about this is my next guest.
Speaker 1: He is John Bowerman. He is the co founder of
Speaker 1: Stealth Consulting, and he has written books about this, including
Speaker 1: one that was geared towards his children to help them
Speaker 1: understand what the big bad cruel world is like when
Speaker 1: you go out there, the book is, You're not lost,
Speaker 1: You're just starting. As we start our interview today with
Speaker 1: John Bowerman, how are you on this glorious Friday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're with us here. Look, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you saw the movie back in two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: right up in the air. George Clooney was in it,
Speaker 1: and it was a movie built around the same topic
Speaker 1: where companies just virtually fire employees. They don't do it
Speaker 1: face to face. They do it either by a conference
Speaker 1: call or whatever it may be. When did we get
Speaker 1: to be so impersonal about telling somebody that their services
Speaker 1: are no longer needed.
Speaker 4: I know, as soon as we tipped over the edge of.
Speaker 13: Describing easy as efficiency, unfortunately, you know, unfortunately had to
Speaker 13: let go several hundred people, and over the course of
Speaker 13: a few decades. There's several different companies and in each
Speaker 13: one still I believe that you have to show up
Speaker 13: and treat people as human and even if that process
Speaker 13: only takes sixty to ninety seconds, you still owe it
Speaker 13: to the people at your.
Speaker 1: Company as opposed to efficiency. Sometimes easy is efficient, as
Speaker 1: you well know. But this seems like the coward's way
Speaker 1: out to do this. You're right, these are people that
Speaker 1: have real lives and real people depending on them, and
Speaker 1: the network that goes out from those other people extends
Speaker 1: ad infinitums. So I'm just easy can be efficient delineate
Speaker 1: the two if you could?
Speaker 13: For us, absolutely, And it's also very short sighted because
Speaker 13: in the short term it feels like, well, okay, we're going.
Speaker 4: To be able to virtually.
Speaker 13: Eliminate even if it was one hundred positions, and instead
Speaker 13: of having to have ten minute phone call set up,
Speaker 13: we're just going to send it.
Speaker 4: Out in mass.
Speaker 13: And what's really shortsighted about that is two things.
Speaker 4: One is your reputation.
Speaker 13: So if you are if someone has a great experience,
Speaker 13: they're going to tell one other person, if they have
Speaker 13: a awful experience, they're going to tell one hundred. So
Speaker 13: you're looking at just what is this, how is this
Speaker 13: going to affect one hundred people, and not thinking about
Speaker 13: how's this going to affect one hundred times one hundred
Speaker 13: people is one and two, what you're doing is also
Speaker 13: opening up the door for very costly problems. So people
Speaker 13: we look at technology today as it never goes wrong,
Speaker 13: I've seen it numerous times, especially in these kind of
Speaker 13: circumstances where the wrong people get on the list, and
Speaker 13: now all of a sudden is you're opening yourself up
Speaker 13: to potentially losing great people that you never intended to
Speaker 13: in the first place, all in the name of efficiency.
Speaker 4: That doesn't happen when you're showing up in person.
Speaker 1: How prevalent is this? This virtual these virtual firings or layoffs.
Speaker 1: And I'm reading where Amazon laid off like fourteen thousand
Speaker 1: employees last month, and some learned of their faith by
Speaker 1: a text message telling them to consult their inboxes, which
Speaker 1: is pretty danged to cold. But I'm just are are
Speaker 1: more companies than not doing this? And I would guess
Speaker 1: it would be larger companies. It would be hard. I
Speaker 1: would think for somebody that has maybe one hundred employees
Speaker 1: to do this, I mean they could, but it certainly
Speaker 1: would ramp it through that company and probably lead to
Speaker 1: a lot of other people leaving on their own. But
Speaker 1: these bigger companies, how prevalent is this, these these virtual
Speaker 1: firings in virtual layoffs.
Speaker 13: Typically you only see this in large enterprises. I think
Speaker 13: in your medium, medium to small business you would rarely
Speaker 13: see a virtual laugh.
Speaker 4: But you know people are But I see.
Speaker 13: That shift happening where it's will become more common occurrence
Speaker 13: the smaller and smaller the company. And here's the excuse
Speaker 13: that's being put out there is that, well, this is
Speaker 13: what the next generation prefers. The next generation would prefer
Speaker 13: not to have a phone call, would prefer not to
Speaker 13: be on camera, and so that represents the justification. All
Speaker 13: we're doing is giving the people what they prefer, and
Speaker 13: that is a you know, unfortunately, is a really misguided excuse,
Speaker 13: because no one prefers that one of the most pivotal
Speaker 13: moments in their in their life, uh to not be
Speaker 13: treated uh that is if they matter, and it should.
Speaker 13: It should correlate with the expectation that they've had every day.
Speaker 13: Maybe they've been there for a year or two years
Speaker 13: and they've been expected to show up every day and
Speaker 13: this one very uh pivotal.
Speaker 4: Moment you need to be able to show up for them.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a chicken crap way to end unemployment, it really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just shows it's cutlass, is what it is.
Speaker 1: And if you don't want that C suite position, then
Speaker 1: don't take the difficult things that come along with it,
Speaker 1: and the difficult things are always keeping the investors or
Speaker 1: the board or whatever happy. You You have to create
Speaker 1: a workplace environment if you want people to buy in,
Speaker 1: to create an environment where they buy in and they're
Speaker 1: not constantly worried about whether or not they're they're going
Speaker 1: to have a job. But I'm going to offer something here, John,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's it comes out the
Speaker 1: way I wanted to. But we have become a less
Speaker 1: personal society since the invention of personal technology, whether it
Speaker 1: be Twitter, whether it be emails, whether it be i Ams,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And the younger as as we
Speaker 1: become younger in the corner suite, we become populated in
Speaker 1: that corner suite, and therefore in middle management with younger
Speaker 1: people who grew up on two hundred and eighty characters
Speaker 1: as opposed to face to face meetings, for using a
Speaker 1: phone simply to text, as opposed to talk. And I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering if this isn't all a product of just
Speaker 1: where we are as a society. What do you think?
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's interesting because in many ways it's contradictory. So
Speaker 13: we are, you know, we're past the age of industrialization.
Speaker 13: We're living now in the age of authenticity. People want
Speaker 13: authenticity more than ever. We don't want to see the
Speaker 13: stock photo. We want to see what we're really going
Speaker 13: to get. You see the emergence of craft versus mass production,
Speaker 13: and it's what people want. They want the real thing
Speaker 13: this and while technology enables that, owing virtual on things
Speaker 13: like this really goes against what people are really craving,
Speaker 13: which is connection and authenticity.
Speaker 5: We're you know, we're.
Speaker 13: More connected and feel less connected more than ever.
Speaker 1: You said something a couple of minutes ago. One of
Speaker 1: the one of the things that you said that that
Speaker 1: really stuck out with me is that when you have
Speaker 1: a bad experience, whether it's at work, whether it's at
Speaker 1: a restaurant, department store, wherever it may be, if you
Speaker 1: have a bad experience, you won't be shy about telling
Speaker 1: other people. If you have a good experience, chances are
Speaker 1: you're not going to tell anybody. You'll just have that experience,
Speaker 1: say hey, that was nice at all.
Speaker 5: Leave.
Speaker 1: If you have a company that is doing these kinds
Speaker 1: of things, and I'm not talking about you know, the
Speaker 1: companies that employ a million people worldwide or wherever, not
Speaker 1: not the Amazon dot coms of the world, but just
Speaker 1: the the companies that might have an employee base of
Speaker 1: one hundred one hundretten fifty two hundred people. You start
Speaker 1: doing something like this, not only will it create the
Speaker 1: unrest inside your company, but true to try and attract
Speaker 1: good people to come and work or replace them. But
Speaker 1: whenever you're ramping up for more business, the work will
Speaker 1: be out on the streets. It's kind of it's kind
Speaker 1: of counterintuitive.
Speaker 4: Is it not? Absolutely?
Speaker 13: And I would venture to say there's probably a lot
Speaker 13: of companies that are doing virtual layoffs and they would
Speaker 13: send you a pamphlet on their core.
Speaker 4: Values and it probably includes words like.
Speaker 13: Integrity and people first, and you know, we're a family
Speaker 13: and in all of that, and then you know, this
Speaker 13: is the behavior that is actually projected unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You're with Stealth Consulting. You started Stealth Consulting? What is that?
Speaker 1: What are are these some of the things you consult
Speaker 1: companies on.
Speaker 13: Absolutely a past Life grew a very large digital agency
Speaker 13: and we were focused on large scale growth, exited that
Speaker 13: that industry and wanted to get a little more hands
Speaker 13: on with companies and so self was a way that
Speaker 13: we could do that to bring in fractional marketing teams
Speaker 13: to companies versus trying to go out and find.
Speaker 4: That unicorn that's going to do everything.
Speaker 13: And that's a that's allowed me to get, you know,
Speaker 13: real hands on with multiple C suite executive teams where
Speaker 13: behavior and decisions really need to start, you know, because
Speaker 13: there's a there's a lot of misguided perception that well,
Speaker 13: we can expect differently from the team than they can
Speaker 13: expect of us. And one of the big things we
Speaker 13: go in and do is shift that perception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, what what's all you know? Do
Speaker 1: as I say, not as I do? And it's you know,
Speaker 1: I've always found that to be interesting, particularly in the
Speaker 1: line of work I'm in, because it's it's not only
Speaker 1: not always the most well run organization. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there that just get ascended
Speaker 1: through the ranks to management and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: because they were great at sales or some other niche
Speaker 1: part of the business, all of a sudden, here you go,
Speaker 1: there's your promotion and the man or the woman is
Speaker 1: sitting there and it's like, well, now that I'm here,
Speaker 1: what the hell do I do? I guess. I guess.
Speaker 1: The observation leads to a question, can you teach management?
Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody doesn't really have great management skills,
Speaker 1: can you really teach management to anybody? Because this is
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. I think, anyways, how you
Speaker 1: treat employees, how you manage those employees to get the
Speaker 1: most out of them so that the company becomes profitable.
Speaker 1: But I think I think you probably would find too
Speaker 1: A lot of people just get promoted so the company
Speaker 1: doesn't lose someone they view valuable, but yet they get
Speaker 1: promoted to a position where they have no business being
Speaker 1: I think that happens a lot, don't you.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, And it's you know what I would what I
Speaker 13: would inform people of it's a cover in the book,
Speaker 13: not lot you're just starting. Is that really everyone, even
Speaker 13: if you work for a company. So there's a big
Speaker 13: misconception around entrepreneurship that to be an entrepreneur you have
Speaker 13: to start a business. And my belief is that everyone
Speaker 13: in the world should show up like an entrepreneur. And
Speaker 13: what that means is that you're the CEO of yourself.
Speaker 13: So Ken is the CEO of the Keen Company. And
Speaker 13: even if Ken works for another company. You show up
Speaker 13: as if the company you work for is one of
Speaker 13: your clients. And when you look at your employer like
Speaker 13: a client, then you know that guess what I could
Speaker 13: that client I could lose at any time, And so
Speaker 13: you're better prepared for any moment, even if it's a
Speaker 13: virtual layoff that Okay, I've got a backup plan and
Speaker 13: I'm looking out, I'm going to negotiate on behalf of myself,
Speaker 13: and you just approach approach the world differently, and you're
Speaker 13: in a better position to have to have to change paths.
Speaker 13: And as I was considering that for my kids, was
Speaker 13: that in helping coach them as to you.
Speaker 4: Know, what should they go to college? What what career
Speaker 4: should they pursue?
Speaker 13: In all likelihood, with the world that's ahead, they might
Speaker 13: have to change that a dozen times and they need
Speaker 13: to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the book is You're not lost, You're just starting,
Speaker 1: and it's available on Amazon dot com. If indeed Amazon
Speaker 1: has enough employees to get it to you, that's true,
Speaker 1: that's a conundrum. You've got a great book. You gotta
Speaker 1: hope Amazon doesn't lay off as many people as they
Speaker 1: say they're going to. John Bowerman. It's it's been enlightening.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Stay well, yours is a voice that
Speaker 1: needs to be heard, and hopefully we can visit down
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 4: Thanks all right, appreciate it again, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Amazon will see. But again, if you know, I
Speaker 1: know I'm preaching to the choir, but if you run
Speaker 1: a business and you have to let somebody go, do
Speaker 1: it face to face. And if if it's a cascading
Speaker 1: number of people, you have to let go. So that's
Speaker 1: why you employ managers that work for you face to face,
Speaker 1: not an email, not a zoom call. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? It is ten fifty six
Speaker 1: already on this black Friday, and we press on next.
Speaker 1: On seven hundred WLW, it is eleven ten on this
Speaker 1: Friday morning. I am ken Brew for Scott Sloan. Top
Speaker 1: of the hour. Mike Allen is in. Take it right
Speaker 1: up till three o'clock this afternoon here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: If you're anywhere near the Kenwood Town Center, my condolences.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely going to be a frenzy inside that
Speaker 1: place today. Any shopping mall anywhere in America, it's not
Speaker 1: quite what it used to be. Because the majority of
Speaker 1: shopping in this country is done online, Cyber Monday always
Speaker 1: tends to overshadow Black Friday. But there is still a
Speaker 1: large contingent of us, and I include myself that when
Speaker 1: I buy something, I really want to see it. If
Speaker 1: it's clothing, I want to try it on and see
Speaker 1: if it fits. I don't want to have to have
Speaker 1: it sent to my door. Up doesn't fit, Now, I
Speaker 1: got to go take it back, even though they'll take
Speaker 1: it back. And still, I mean, you got that hassle.
Speaker 1: But it's not like it was even ten years ago
Speaker 1: in these big box stores where you could go in
Speaker 1: and find exactly what you want on the rack, try
Speaker 1: it on, it works, Okay, I'm buying it. I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: And we also know that tomorrow is what do they
Speaker 1: call it, small Business Saturday, which I think is important
Speaker 1: to a lot of the mom and pop stores need
Speaker 1: your business as well, and maybe there you can actually
Speaker 1: tangibly see something that you want to buy and then
Speaker 1: physically buy it there. But whether we're shopping online or
Speaker 1: shopping in a store itself, apparently we're not spending as
Speaker 1: much money this year as we have in years past.
Speaker 1: There is new data out from Deloitte. It's surveyed shoppers
Speaker 1: and they say they plan to spend four percent less
Speaker 1: than last year between Black Friday and Cyber Monday, that
Speaker 1: would be this this weekend. Why will the higher cost
Speaker 1: of living fear the economy is not on the right track.
Speaker 1: In fact, consumers making more than I'm sorry, less than
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a year are expected to spend twelve
Speaker 1: percent less than last year. That's according to the business
Speaker 1: service Deloitte. Shoppers making an excess of two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year say they're going to cut back almost
Speaker 1: twenty percent, and sixty nine percent of the people that
Speaker 1: were surveyed by the University of Michigan say they expect
Speaker 1: unemployment to increase over the next year twice the percentage
Speaker 1: from a year ago. Well, AI is here, and it
Speaker 1: will cut into jobs and certainly starting was already started,
Speaker 1: but certainly starting in full force in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Bottom line, we're not spending as much money for holiday
Speaker 1: gifts Christmas honekah, whatever it may be as we did
Speaker 1: eight years past. So that's bad for the economy as
Speaker 1: a whole. But really, and truly, why is there no
Speaker 1: confidence in where the economy is. It seems to be
Speaker 1: doing just well if you're in some sort of four
Speaker 1: oh one K Wall Street has outperformed my gosh, it's
Speaker 1: outperformed its own expectations for this year and has for
Speaker 1: most of the last five or six years. But what's
Speaker 1: the problem here? Standing by the way in is Ron Glasgow.
Speaker 1: He is a financial strategist heads up Glasgow Investment Solutions.
Speaker 1: He started in the financial business about twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1: He was in the United States Marine Corps. He's a veteran,
Speaker 1: which and we love veterans, but I thought his thoughts
Speaker 1: might be pretty good on this because we've had Ron
Speaker 1: on the show before and it's great to have him back.
Speaker 1: And Ron Glasgow, how are you on this glorious Friday?
Speaker 11: Ah?
Speaker 5: Very good, Thank you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you ever be on that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're here. Look, we hear this every
Speaker 1: year that the spending is going to be less than
Speaker 1: what it was the year before. It seems to be
Speaker 1: a warning signal every November when Thanksgiving rolls around, and
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, most years it's not that way. Do
Speaker 1: you sense it will? Be this way this.
Speaker 11: Year, you know, I really do you know it's Deloitte
Speaker 11: just did a big study. It shows that for the
Speaker 11: first time, there's twenty twenty one people's planning to spid
Speaker 11: less during the holidays than they do they have in
Speaker 11: previous years. But more than that, it's kind of being
Speaker 11: involved in the markets that in society in general, you can.
Speaker 4: Just sort of feel the pinch.
Speaker 11: To me, it feels an awful lot like a jack
Speaker 11: in the box, and every quarter that goes by, where
Speaker 11: we have the markets at all time highs with really
Speaker 11: you know, lacking underlying fundamentals.
Speaker 4: It's that jack that it feels like that lever gets
Speaker 4: tightened a quarter term, as you know, the Jack Visley
Speaker 4: comes out of the box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And I just we could just pause
Speaker 1: right there and talk about that, because I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about Wall Street and Main Street and Wall
Speaker 1: Street's doing well. I mean, you look at the down
Speaker 1: now compared to where it was in twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: it's it's almost double, And I understand it. Just it's
Speaker 1: just a very few stocks that control the Dow. But
Speaker 1: the S and P is strong. NASDAK has been strong,
Speaker 1: but that's great if you're invested. If you're not invested,
Speaker 1: if you're just somebody living paycheck to paycheck and try
Speaker 1: to buy food and gas and shelter your family. It's
Speaker 1: not translating there at this point, is it.
Speaker 5: No, it's really hard.
Speaker 11: You know, I go for very modestly, and I had
Speaker 11: a steel mill town in the Midwest, so you know,
Speaker 11: I still go back and I still try to try
Speaker 11: to stay with my ear to the street, as as
Speaker 11: they say, but it's it's really difficult. I think inflation
Speaker 11: has kind of been cast aside by the media, you know.
Speaker 11: I know I did a segment a month ago where
Speaker 11: everybody was happy because inflation came in at three percent
Speaker 11: or three point one as a stock market hit at
Speaker 11: all time high that day. You know, that's insane that
Speaker 11: one point one percent would make a difference on a
Speaker 11: quarterly report and your everyday people don't really care about that.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 4: The thing becomes to mind.
Speaker 11: To me, as silly as it seems, is we're that
Speaker 11: jingle five dollars foot long subway.
Speaker 4: You know, I just stopped it.
Speaker 11: I had to have my old chain, so it was
Speaker 11: a subway next joy, I stopped to have once a
Speaker 11: couple of weeks ago, and the cheapest sub on the
Speaker 11: menu was the Vega sub at ten dollars and twenty cents.
Speaker 11: So I don't know where that that commercial stopped running,
Speaker 11: but I know nobody did come as doubled since it
Speaker 11: stops allowed.
Speaker 1: Inflation is tricky. Look, we know it was a disaster
Speaker 1: under Biden. They spent, spent, spent, and it just kept
Speaker 1: rising rising, rising three percent right now compared to where
Speaker 1: it was under Biden. Looks pretty good. But inflation is compounded, right,
Speaker 1: It's not like it's three percent, it's it's three percent
Speaker 1: over what it was last year, and last year, the
Speaker 1: year before and the year before that. So it's when
Speaker 1: when you hear these numbers, all inflation's at three percent, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's better than where it was with Biden, but it's
Speaker 1: still compounded over what we had the year before.
Speaker 4: Right, correct, And that's that's the thing.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: It's Boston translation a lot.
Speaker 11: You know, yes, lash is under control now, which is great,
Speaker 11: but we're not rewinding the clock.
Speaker 5: So those those price reyseets that.
Speaker 11: Are at all time highs for a lot of industries,
Speaker 11: they're still there and growing yout three percent instead of
Speaker 11: a nine or whatever crazy percentage there was under our
Speaker 11: last administration.
Speaker 1: So why Okay? So then the basic question is I'm
Speaker 1: not an economist, but the basic question is that, okay,
Speaker 1: then why don't these companies bring their prices back down
Speaker 1: to where they were what inflation was two point nine
Speaker 1: three percent and not compound it out to where it
Speaker 1: is right now? Is it because it's corporate greed? Are
Speaker 1: we talking about corporate greed here?
Speaker 11: You know, I think I think that you can make
Speaker 11: an argument for an element of that, But no. I mean,
Speaker 11: if one company will say, whatever business you're is that
Speaker 11: you're a furniture manufacturer, and you've decided, hey, I'm going
Speaker 11: to bring prices back down, well it's almost impossible because
Speaker 11: you've got to buy wood and fabric and everything to
Speaker 11: make their furniture. So all those companies would have to
Speaker 11: bring it down at the same time. You'd have to
Speaker 11: sort of have a reverse positive collusion, which is very
Speaker 11: difficult to do. And you know, again, what's that jack
Speaker 11: kind of out of the box is out, it's hard
Speaker 11: to put it back in.
Speaker 1: See something else here. In this report about holiday spending,
Speaker 1: PayPal found that half of the shoppers planned to use
Speaker 1: the old buy now, pay later services. In other words,
Speaker 1: kick the can down the road. Financially, that's just you're
Speaker 1: you're asking for a tsunami at some point if you
Speaker 1: buy now and pay later. It's not necessarily the best strategy.
Speaker 1: What would you do if someone asked you, hey, should
Speaker 1: I buy something now? And you know I'll worry about
Speaker 1: paying it off in April, May or June next year.
Speaker 11: No, you know, there are very few things where I
Speaker 11: think it makes sense to take a loan at which
Speaker 11: is essentially what.
Speaker 5: You're doing here.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're buying a car, you're buying a home,
Speaker 4: or buy a college.
Speaker 5: Education to an extent does make sense.
Speaker 4: But this is my Christmas present.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 4: And then you know that's part of the problem.
Speaker 11: In today's economy. You could have the access to quick
Speaker 11: money very easily.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: When I grew up, I remember we had something similar.
Speaker 11: It was called leile. You went and got it. If
Speaker 11: you want the store cup, you paid it off onlee
Speaker 11: until you can pick it up. So that was actually
Speaker 11: a better system. He took us out and get what
Speaker 11: you wanted with a tuble place above online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, you're right. It is taking it
Speaker 1: is you know, comparable to taking out a loans just
Speaker 1: to buy Christmas presents. And nobody wants to, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be the granch Everybody wants to have
Speaker 1: a present. So maybe if these numbers are right where
Speaker 1: you sided the Deloitte survey which said shoppers planned to
Speaker 1: spend four percent less than last year, and then as
Speaker 1: you as you as you break it down from an
Speaker 1: economic standpoint, people making less than fifty twelve percent less
Speaker 1: over two hundred thousand less than eighteen percent, This is
Speaker 1: not good news obviously for retail and even places like Amazon,
Speaker 1: which seems to be all over the place with its
Speaker 1: trucks and its its orders in this day and age.
Speaker 1: So it looks like maybe some of these big box stores,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, maybe some of these mom and pop shops
Speaker 1: are going to take it really hard this Christmas.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I think so, And you know, I
Speaker 11: think you said it best for different mom of pop
Speaker 11: shops that I always worry about.
Speaker 4: There's so few of them less and.
Speaker 11: You know, they're typically great, they're typically embttered the fabricular communities,
Speaker 11: and you want those stores to succeed.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you just think about the term
Speaker 4: Black Friday. You know, when you really.
Speaker 11: Think about that, it's insane to think that you've got
Speaker 11: to wait until the day after Thanksgiving for most retail
Speaker 11: stores just to break even.
Speaker 4: So you need very little time to make profit. And
Speaker 4: when you're in a situation like that.
Speaker 11: Where people are starting to pull back a little bit,
Speaker 11: makes it even harder to make that profit in one.
Speaker 1: Moment, which may explain some commercials we're seeing on television right.
Speaker 1: I mean, these Black Friday sales started I think right
Speaker 1: before Halloween. I mean, they're trying to they're trying their best,
Speaker 1: you know, to get our money. But if people don't
Speaker 1: want to spend their money, maybe some of these Black
Speaker 1: Friday advertisements are just a waste of money.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, and that's part that I think that
Speaker 11: is wellme of the twenty four hour recycle. Plus the
Speaker 11: fact that you could advertise anywhere. I mean a lot
Speaker 11: of online advertising, social media, so a lot of it's spiller.
Speaker 11: But yeah, and you know, these storts have to make
Speaker 11: their money somehow, and so they see the same data
Speaker 11: that we do, and they have even better data, and
Speaker 11: they're tracking it in real time with their own departments,
Speaker 11: so they realize what's going on and they're trying to
Speaker 11: make sure.
Speaker 4: That they turn proper for a year. And you know,
Speaker 4: that's what the risk of retail.
Speaker 5: It's a difficult business to be in cobus.
Speaker 1: Right, Ron Glasgow is our guest financial strategist. Let's break
Speaker 1: it down then, if indeed this happens and people spend less,
Speaker 1: what does that do for our economy and what does
Speaker 1: that mean going forward in the early months of January, February, March,
Speaker 1: where retail spending is not as robust as it is
Speaker 1: in the final quarter of any year.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So, and we can go through times before where we're
Speaker 11: companies didn't necessarily hit home runs in the post Black
Speaker 11: Friday sales. But I think you get to nail on
Speaker 11: the head by saying what happens in Q one. That's
Speaker 11: really where I think people tuned in, especially economist and
Speaker 11: to look at say what is the state of our economy?
Speaker 4: The holidays are over and I your back in normal life.
Speaker 4: Are people spending or are they not?
Speaker 11: And I don't talking about holiday presents and gifts, but
Speaker 11: on every day things are people starting to pull back?
Speaker 11: And you know, once you get at Q one, of
Speaker 11: people across the border starting to pull back.
Speaker 4: It becomes a master problem of the economy.
Speaker 11: You know, America's business is business, and so when business
Speaker 11: starts to slow, it hurts a virtually every segment of
Speaker 11: the population.
Speaker 1: All right, Ron, let's pretend you're a Jerome Pal just
Speaker 1: for this one moment. We'll call you Jerome Pal with brains,
Speaker 1: because I don't really have a lot of faith in.
Speaker 5: That, dude.
Speaker 1: But Ron glasshow is going to Washington, d C. That
Speaker 1: he is going to forecast the health of our economy
Speaker 1: for the first half year of twenty twenty six in
Speaker 1: the office of the President of the United States. What
Speaker 1: are you telling Donald Trump?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, boy, I'm probably for a first thing.
Speaker 11: But you know, I think I think this a pal
Speaker 11: has actually done an okay job of the gore in
Speaker 11: the headlines, doing what he thinks is best. And remember
Speaker 11: he's just one man. It's the it's the board of governors.
Speaker 11: They don't have a vote. I say, he would have
Speaker 11: to say that things are starting are slowing. They reverse,
Speaker 11: President Trump would say, will lower interest rates?
Speaker 5: Coming right?
Speaker 11: As that sort of creates some other issues when you
Speaker 11: do that too rapidly. So there is a fine balancing
Speaker 11: act there. But I see the economy starting to slow
Speaker 11: and it's just kind of a feeling you have, or
Speaker 11: you're out in your own community, people that aren't spending
Speaker 11: as bus and they're not nearly as optimistic as they
Speaker 11: used to be. University missing and just put out a
Speaker 11: consumer competence study as said, the super confidence right now
Speaker 11: as low ofan it's been in the last five years.
Speaker 4: So you know, those.
Speaker 11: Things individually, they're not that telling. But when you start
Speaker 11: to pull the data police together, they're all play the
Speaker 11: same directly.
Speaker 4: It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope for the best, embrace for the worst.
Speaker 1: Ron Glasgow you can find him at Glasgow Investments dot com.
Speaker 1: He is a financial strategist and we salute him again
Speaker 1: for his time in the service with the United States
Speaker 1: Marine Marines. Ron, thank you so much. Stay well, have
Speaker 1: a happy holiday season, and hopefully we can visit down
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate you having me,
Speaker 5: you bet, you bet.
Speaker 1: I like people that make sense over what is happening
Speaker 1: in this country, be it financially, militarily, politically, or from
Speaker 1: a sports standpoint. Speaking of sports, there's a rather large
Speaker 1: game tomorrow in ann Arbor, Michigan. And even if even
Speaker 1: at Ohio State in the National Football Title again this season,
Speaker 1: if they don't beat Michigan, Ryan Day will feel the
Speaker 1: heat and the wrath of the boys downtown from Columbus. Yes,
Speaker 1: the game is tomorrow. That and a little bit on
Speaker 1: UC and TCU is next. Ken Brew for Scott Sloan
Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred w l W ken brewper Scott's
Speaker 1: flowed on this Black Friday. As retail tries to make
Speaker 1: up for what has been kind of a sluggish year.
Speaker 1: If you're out there shopping, you remember, it's not a battle,
Speaker 1: it's not a war. It's just clothing, just clothing. We
Speaker 1: have college football to deal with all weekend long. You've
Speaker 1: got Indiana trying to keep its unbeaten season alive at
Speaker 1: Purdue tonight. Purdue is two to nine. Indiana is eleven
Speaker 1: and zero. That's a seven thirty kick today in West Lafayette.
Speaker 1: And of course, if he had a whole serve in
Speaker 1: that game, it will probably continue to be the number
Speaker 1: two team in the country. As we continue the countdown
Speaker 1: to the college football playoff noon tomorrow at Louisville, UK
Speaker 1: tries to get Bowl eligible again, there are five and six.
Speaker 1: You need six wins to become Bowl eligible. And that's
Speaker 1: what UK is working toward tomorrow in that noonkick at
Speaker 1: Louisville and then of course tomorrow afternoon three point thirty
Speaker 1: right here on seven hundred WLW at Cincinnati the Bearcats
Speaker 1: at TCU. At TCU, the Bearcats are seven and four,
Speaker 1: looking for that eighth win. You get that extra win,
Speaker 1: maybe you get a better bowl game. TCU is no slouch,
Speaker 1: the fresh off and upset win at Houston last week,
Speaker 1: and they've got a terrific quarterback, a guy by the
Speaker 1: name of Josh Hoover. Might remember Hoover from that game
Speaker 1: last year against UC. Anyway, he's completing sixty five percent
Speaker 1: of his passes this year, twenty five touchdowns, thirteen interceptions.
Speaker 1: He has thrown for over thirty one hundred yards. And
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell Scott Centerfield all about Josh Hoover.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a talented quarterback.
Speaker 14: I mean he is a true passer, like you know,
Speaker 14: you go watch him, and I mean last year, I
Speaker 14: think he broke the school record at TCU and he's
Speaker 14: had another fine season this year. He can make all
Speaker 14: the throws, deep throws, you know, your your deep out
Speaker 14: routes to the field. He puts pressure on you because
Speaker 14: of that. I think he's very competitive, you know. I
Speaker 14: think he's just an now he's an outstanding quarterback and
Speaker 14: has been, you know, ever since he's been playing. So
Speaker 14: you know, last year, you know did it. We did
Speaker 14: a pretty good job of containing him. I think maybe
Speaker 14: the second half had something to do with it, because
Speaker 14: like a snow globe when you watch the film, it's
Speaker 14: snow everywhere. Probably had a little something to do with that.
Speaker 14: But you know, he's an outstanding quarterback. You know, he's
Speaker 14: he's another one in this league that you know, we
Speaker 14: knew was gonna be good and he's gonna be hard
Speaker 14: to contain.
Speaker 1: And then of course to borrow. At noon, it's the game.
Speaker 1: Ohio State takes the short plane ride up to Ann
Speaker 1: Arbor and takes on Michigan, which has been a thorn
Speaker 1: in the side of course of Ryan Day recently. Day
Speaker 1: loss last year at Columbus flipped it around one the
Speaker 1: College Football National Championship. But in Columbus, if you're a
Speaker 1: head football coach at Ohio State, you have got to
Speaker 1: beat Michigan and I don't think this year is any different.
Speaker 1: Even though Ohio State is the clear number one team
Speaker 1: in this country. You don't beat Michigan, You're in for
Speaker 1: a long ride unless you can pull off with Dave
Speaker 1: pulled off last year. Knowing all of that, we turn
Speaker 1: to someone who is charged with covering Ohio State for
Speaker 1: what I think is the best website to cover the Buckeyes,
Speaker 1: and that is eleven Warriors dot Com. And it's our
Speaker 1: good buddy Dan Hope, who's here to weigh in on
Speaker 1: the game tomorrow high noon. Michigan and Dan Hope, how
Speaker 1: are you on this glorious Friday.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Can How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm reasonably well, looking forward to, uh to what may
Speaker 1: go down here in ann Arbor.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm just here's here's my question for you. Ohio State
Speaker 1: is the best team in the country. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any argument about that. I I would even say
Speaker 1: Indiana would have to say that at this point. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, they're the best team in the country.
Speaker 1: When the best team of the country is faced with
Speaker 1: a rivalry game and both teams are relatively close, although
Speaker 1: Michigan's not quite as dominating, this year as they have
Speaker 1: it in years past, These these these rivalry games can
Speaker 1: go off the rails quickly. What's the theme been up
Speaker 1: there in Columbus around this team, knowing full well that
Speaker 1: the players don't have to be told the importance of
Speaker 1: the game, but knowing full well that these rivalry games
Speaker 1: can go off the rails quickly. What do you think
Speaker 1: the message has been.
Speaker 15: I mean, we certainly thought last year when a last
Speaker 15: State was heavily favored to win that game and didn't
Speaker 15: win the game, that you know, this this game is
Speaker 15: different than any other. You know, on paper, Ohio State
Speaker 15: should win the game, but that doesn't mean that Ohio
Speaker 15: State will win the game unless.
Speaker 5: It goes and plays its best football.
Speaker 15: And so I think, you know, the message to a
Speaker 15: team has certainly been, you know, needing to be at
Speaker 15: their best this week, you know, understanding the challenge that
Speaker 15: is in front of them. But at the same time,
Speaker 15: Brian Day and his players have also talked a lot
Speaker 15: this week about keeping the routine the routine, about not
Speaker 15: trying to.
Speaker 5: Change the way they do things.
Speaker 15: I mean even as simple as just you know, keeping
Speaker 15: their practice schedule the same, even though it's Thanksgiving. Things
Speaker 15: like that. They've really tried to just keep the routines
Speaker 15: or the team this week because I think one of
Speaker 15: the things that's hurt this team in recent years is
Speaker 15: almost making too much of the game. And everybody understands
Speaker 15: how big a deal it is.
Speaker 5: This game is extremely important.
Speaker 15: For Ohio State and they desperately want to win it,
Speaker 15: but they also don't want to change the way they
Speaker 15: do things, get away from the things that has made
Speaker 15: them the best team in the country but have allowed
Speaker 15: them to dominate their competition all year long. So I think,
Speaker 15: you know, that's really been kind of the driving thing
Speaker 15: for Ohio State this week that it's gone through its
Speaker 15: preparation is Hey, you know, we know we have to
Speaker 15: be at our best this week. We know there's more
Speaker 15: on the line this week, but let's not change what
Speaker 15: we do. Let's let's keep doing the things that have
Speaker 15: enabled us to have success all year and if we
Speaker 15: do that, we're going to have a chance.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we know this about Michigan. Michigan can run
Speaker 1: the football. They can run it. Jordan Marshall, Justice Haines.
Speaker 1: They combined for over sixteen hundred yards. Now Haines is
Speaker 1: doubtful for this game, we'll see whether or not he
Speaker 1: answers the bell. But I'm just looking at some of
Speaker 1: these numbers that have been put up, and again you
Speaker 1: have to understand the teams they're playing. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got Marshall. He has put up a buck thirty three
Speaker 1: against Washington. He put up a buck eighty five against
Speaker 1: Purdue one hundred and forty two yards again Northwestern. My
Speaker 1: guess is Michigan is going to try and run at
Speaker 1: the early part of this game. And if they do
Speaker 1: and get Ohio State on its heels and get it
Speaker 1: off kilter a little bit on those early downs, it's
Speaker 1: got a chance. If it doesn't, I think this thing
Speaker 1: could implode on on Michigan. But stopping that run, certainly
Speaker 1: with Marshall, and whether or not Haynes is there or not,
Speaker 1: that's job one for Ohio State.
Speaker 3: Is it not?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 15: Because I mean I think if you look at these
Speaker 15: teams you compare them, the one area where I think
Speaker 15: you could say Michigan has the advantage is its running
Speaker 15: offense versus Ohio States rushing offense. You know, Ohio State certainly,
Speaker 15: particularly if you assume that Jeremiah Smith and Carnel State
Speaker 15: will be back this week, which seems to be the
Speaker 15: way things are trending. Ohio State has a better passing offense,
Speaker 15: it has a better defense, it's been the best defense
Speaker 15: in the country. But Michigan is better at running the
Speaker 15: ball than Ohio State is. And you go back again
Speaker 15: to the last year. I mean, it was the same story.
Speaker 4: Last year.
Speaker 15: Ohio State had the best defense in the country. Michigan
Speaker 15: had one of the worst passing offenses in the country,
Speaker 15: but Ohio State allowed Michigan to turn it into a
Speaker 15: battle of running games and that ultimately led to Michigan
Speaker 15: winning in the end. So if you're Ohio State, you
Speaker 15: can't let that happen. Like said, you've got to stop
Speaker 15: the run. But if you're Ohio State, you also have
Speaker 15: to play to your strengths. You have to remember you
Speaker 15: have a Heisman Trophy candidate at quarterback, You've got two
Speaker 15: of the best wide receivers in the country. If Michigan
Speaker 15: is probably going to try to bait them into running
Speaker 15: the ball again just like they did last year by
Speaker 15: dropping guys into coverage. But if you're Ohio State, you
Speaker 15: need to dictate the game. You need to go into
Speaker 15: this game saying we are of a better team. We
Speaker 15: are going to play our game. You can't allow Michigan
Speaker 15: to say we're not going to let you fro to
Speaker 15: four or seventeen and run the ball up the middle
Speaker 15: against us. If you're Ohio State, you've got to say
Speaker 15: we have the best players on the field and we
Speaker 15: are going to find way for them to make plays.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, we all know what happened last year.
Speaker 1: There was a veteran quarterback there last year. Julians saying
Speaker 1: is a veteran of this season and has progressed well
Speaker 1: through this season. But what about that because a lot
Speaker 1: of that's going to fall on him too. I know
Speaker 1: he doesn't call the plays, but he's got to be
Speaker 1: able to have something if indeed that's what Michigan plays
Speaker 1: defensively this year. So what about him and his role?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I think you know Julian obviously, this
Speaker 15: is his first time playing in the game, this rivalry,
Speaker 15: so you never know how a guy is going to
Speaker 15: perform in that stage when he hasn't done it before.
Speaker 15: It's also probably going to be the worst lever he's
Speaker 15: played at Zilvarvis Here. It's been lucky to have a
Speaker 15: lot of nice weather for its games this year. This
Speaker 15: game is going to be cold, maybe a little bit
Speaker 15: of snow. He's a guy from southern California, so how
Speaker 15: is he going to respond to all that? Those are
Speaker 15: all questions At the same time. I don't go into
Speaker 15: this game really looking at Julian Saying as a you know,
Speaker 15: young puff who hasn't been tested, because you just look
Speaker 15: at what he's done all year long. I mean, he's
Speaker 15: played like a veteran all year long. He leads the
Speaker 15: entire country in completion percentage. He's shown great composure, composer,
Speaker 15: and poise throughout the season, and so I don't feel
Speaker 15: like the stage is going to be too big for Julian, saying,
Speaker 15: I think the way that he's handled everything, starting with
Speaker 15: that first game of the year against Texas and his
Speaker 15: first start as a Buck Guy, suggests to me that
Speaker 15: you know, he will be ready to can't handle the stage.
Speaker 15: I think it's more a matter of just the the
Speaker 15: entire passing offense. You know, we saw it the last
Speaker 15: couple of weeks with Jeremiah and Carnell Valley injuries. The
Speaker 15: passing offense did not look the same, and so will
Speaker 15: those guys be healthy, Will they be their usual cells,
Speaker 15: Will Julian saying get into a rhythm with that? And
Speaker 15: then you know, of course, you ever big factor is
Speaker 15: you know how a pass protection be. I mean, this
Speaker 15: is one of the best defensive fronts Ohio State staced
Speaker 15: all year. The offensive line has had its ups and
Speaker 15: downs this year. So will they give Julians say, in
Speaker 15: consistent time to throw? Will they keep pressure often to
Speaker 15: allow Ohio State to make those big plays down the field.
Speaker 15: I think all of those things are what have to
Speaker 15: come together for Ohio State to be able to do
Speaker 15: what it should be able to do in this game,
Speaker 15: which is the even more explosive offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and flip it to when Michigan has the ball.
Speaker 1: We talked about it early about their ability to run.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen every Michigan game this year. You know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of we have our own teams down in
Speaker 1: this area of the state. That what That's what consumes
Speaker 1: me most. But I've seen enough to know that's not
Speaker 1: a good come from behind team. I saw their game
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma, I saw their game against Southern cal They
Speaker 1: didn't get to drop on those teams no points in
Speaker 1: the first quarter, I think seven points combined in those
Speaker 1: two games with Southern cal and with with Oklahoma. So
Speaker 1: you get you got to get the you got to
Speaker 1: get the jump on on Michigan because I think Michigan,
Speaker 1: if it's playing with the lead, is a far different
Speaker 1: team than Michigan trying to come out of a hole.
Speaker 1: So I think that's probably a key as anything is
Speaker 1: play that first quarter, get some points, and then let's
Speaker 1: see if Michigan can run the ball as well as
Speaker 1: they have. Would you think that's a pretty good script.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I agree with you completely because I mean, again,
Speaker 15: I mean not to keep bringing up last year, but
Speaker 15: you think about what happened a year ago.
Speaker 5: That was kind of what happened.
Speaker 15: Ohio State started off slow, Michigan dragged Ohio State into
Speaker 15: a dogfight, and the Buck guys were never able to respond.
Speaker 15: I think, you know, you go to this game, especially
Speaker 15: being on the road, especially with a lever forecast that's
Speaker 15: showing a higher chance of snow later in the game
Speaker 15: than there is early in the game. I think, if
Speaker 15: Ohio State can start fast and build a lead, I'm
Speaker 15: very confident in Ohio State's defensive ability to hold that lead.
Speaker 15: I think if Michigan can take an early lead, Ohio
Speaker 15: State struggles out of the gate and they're in a
Speaker 15: tight game late. I'm maybe not as confident in how
Speaker 15: will Ohio State respond to what would be really its
Speaker 15: first real adversity of the season, especially playing on the
Speaker 15: road in bad lever and so I do think that
Speaker 15: you know from Ohio for both teams perspective, I think
Speaker 15: starting fast is going to be huge, and I think
Speaker 15: I think if Ohio State can start fast, I'll feel
Speaker 15: really good about its chances. But I think if Michigan
Speaker 15: can keep the game tight going into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 15: as anybody's ball game, Dan.
Speaker 1: Hope Elevinwarriors dot Com, it's the destination for all things
Speaker 1: Ohio State athletics, but particularly football. How big a game
Speaker 1: is this for Ryan Dade? I mean, we know what
Speaker 1: happened last year, he lost the game and then comes
Speaker 1: back and wins the National Championship. I get the sense
Speaker 1: that this guy lives year to year on the Michigan game,
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens in the playoff. But how big
Speaker 1: a game is it for him?
Speaker 15: It's a huge game for him because this is really
Speaker 15: the one the lemish on his record, right now, I
Speaker 15: mean if he if he wins this game, you know,
Speaker 15: what's anybody going to say about now He's he's won
Speaker 15: a national championship. I mean he has you know, if
Speaker 15: you if you take you know, a qualifying number of
Speaker 15: games out of it, the best winning percentage in college
Speaker 15: football history. I mean, really will only knock on him
Speaker 15: right now is that he hasn't been able to beat Michigan.
Speaker 15: So I think this is a huge game for him,
Speaker 15: particularly in terms of, you know, just his reputation as
Speaker 15: a coach. I think it's huge for him, you know,
Speaker 15: psychologically to get that monkey off his back. Now, you know,
Speaker 15: with that being said, you know, we should we should
Speaker 15: qualify it as like you know, Ryan is not going
Speaker 15: to be him a hot seat if Ohio State lose
Speaker 15: this game, it's a different conversation than it was a
Speaker 15: year ago because he's won a national championship and no
Speaker 15: matter what happens in this game, a lot.
Speaker 5: Of it's going to be in a college football playoffs.
Speaker 15: So you know, I think know anybody who might go
Speaker 15: to the draftic lengths of like fire Ryan da if
Speaker 15: Ohio State loses this game, We're not gonna.
Speaker 5: We're not gonna We're not gonna We're not going to
Speaker 5: go there. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 15: But you know, it's one of those things where it's like,
Speaker 15: you know, you want to play that dragon because until
Speaker 15: Ryan Day beats Michigan, the one thing that is going
Speaker 15: to hang over him is this guy can't beat Michigan.
Speaker 15: So I think this is a huge game for him,
Speaker 15: and I think that, you know, if he can win
Speaker 15: this game, I think he will firmly establish himself among
Speaker 15: college football's elite coaches, because really the only thing that's
Speaker 15: really holding him back from that has been his record
Speaker 15: against Michigan.
Speaker 1: Dan Hope Elevinwarriors dot Com, all right, Dan, enjoy covering
Speaker 1: the game, and I know we'll be talking down the road.
Speaker 5: Stay well, sounds good, Thanks Ken.
Speaker 1: You bet. That is noon tomorrow in ann Arbor, uh
Speaker 1: Also tomorrow at noon ball State at Miami. The RedHawks
Speaker 1: are six and five, looking to finish seven and five
Speaker 1: on the regular season. They are, of course Bowl eligible,
Speaker 1: and today at noon up in windy Buffalo, the Ohio
Speaker 1: Bobcats look to go eight and four. They take on
Speaker 1: the Buffalo today at high noon. There's your college football
Speaker 1: big weekend of that Bengals off. We can concentrate on
Speaker 1: all of that and everything else that goes down back
Speaker 1: in here tomorrow morning, actually at high noon to carry
Speaker 1: you through the early part of the afternoon tomorrow on Saturday.
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