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Speaker 1: Everything seemed as it was supposed to be. The bizarro

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Speaker 1: That's one game. I know, it's one game, and it

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Speaker 1: was a matchup that probably came into four to two

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Speaker 1: team that has been basically gasping on offense, and the

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Speaker 1: it was Joe Burrow's return from two and a half

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Speaker 1: almost three months of toe's surgery, and he and Chase

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Speaker 1: and eight. Very doable, very doable at that point, two

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Speaker 1: it on a daily basis, several times on a daily

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Speaker 1: basis for cbssports dot Com. It's our great friend from

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Speaker 1: up near Columbus, Brian Diardo. How are you on this

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Speaker 1: glorious Friday.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Cat. I think the only person doing

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Speaker 2: better than me today has to be Al Golden. Right,

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Speaker 2: we can all agree on that.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Burrow, and I want to

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Speaker 1: they took the ball away. I mean, you take the

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Speaker 1: Odds are you're going to win the game. But I

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Speaker 1: a little, you know, a little research on this beyond

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Speaker 1: Thirteen times last night, Brian six drives started with no

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Speaker 1: And that's what they did. Six of the thirteen times

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Speaker 2: No, I entirely agree, and that I'm sure is a

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Speaker 3: Because you and that's an old saying. I think the

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Speaker 2: Defensive coordinator they're going to all the Super Bowls in

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Speaker 2: the ninety would always say, you went on third down,

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Speaker 2: then you kicked bleep on third down. Bengals one first down,

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Speaker 2: and they certainly did kick bleep on third down as well.

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Speaker 2: But no, you're right, and you know they they really

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Speaker 2: It was interesting, you know, And I'm sure everybody watching

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Speaker 2: The final score last night of the game Bengals Ravens

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Speaker 3: Things they did they do last night.

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Speaker 2: First time Lamars had three turnovers in four years and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was two thousand and seven, was a game

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Speaker 1: That is not a turnover.

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Speaker 2: That was a massive play and he didn't give up

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Burrow. I mean, you can't understate what

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Speaker 1: what Burrow brings to this team, but certainly that energy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. One other thing is super

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Speaker 2: the other thing too, on twenty one completions, that's fifty.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow play football. And I think I've seen all

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Speaker 1: last year. You may think I'm gonna pretty much know

432
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Speaker 1: there is now hard evidence that Black Friday is not

433
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Speaker 1: going to be like Black Fridays of years gone by,

434
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Speaker 1: and what does that mean for retail? And finally, the

435
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Speaker 1: game is tomorrow Michigan Ohio State. The one team standing

436
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Speaker 1: in front of Ohio State and an L perfecto regular

437
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Speaker 1: season is the Michigan Wolverines. This is a thorn in

438
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Speaker 1: the side of Ryan Day. This is a big thorn

439
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Speaker 1: in the side of Ryan Day, and he's going to

440
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Speaker 1: have to overcome it tomorrow. He pulled it off last year,

441
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Speaker 1: you know, he lost and then he won the College

442
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Speaker 1: Football Playoff Championship. But if you don't beat Michigan, and

443
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Speaker 1: the boys downtown, as they say, are not happy that

444
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Speaker 1: and a UC game tomorrow against TCU. If they get

445
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Speaker 1: to eight wins, I think they get to a decent bowl,

446
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Speaker 1: and not a bowl game where they have to play

447
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Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day all that before we're done.

448
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Speaker 1: So this game last night, I'm watching it and I'm

449
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Speaker 1: trying to stay calm. I don't try to get too

450
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Speaker 1: high too low when things, you know, get get off

451
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Speaker 1: the rails. And I'm watching Burrow and I'm watching this guy,

452
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Speaker 1: and I can't believe with each ensuing snap that this

453
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Speaker 1: guy had major surgery on his foot less than three

454
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Speaker 1: months ago, and he's out there running all over the field,

455
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Speaker 1: throwing the ball downfield, spreading the ball to nine different

456
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Speaker 1: receivers fourty six times twenty four of forty six, two

457
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Speaker 1: sixty one. So after the game, during the scrum with

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Speaker 1: the media, he was asked to great himself. Here's what

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Speaker 1: he had to say.

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Speaker 6: You know, I thought second half, I started to put

461
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Speaker 6: it more where I wanted and settled in a little bit.

462
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Speaker 6: Certainly missed him throws early that I typically make. But

463
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Speaker 6: you know, after that, I felt felt pretty comfortable back there.

464
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Speaker 6: I thought the on line did great, We ran it well.

465
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Speaker 6: Obviously defense played great, So I'm just gonna keep getting better.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. Last night was just the appetizer,

467
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Speaker 1: and it was good that he had his buddy with him.

468
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Speaker 1: You know, Jamar Chase. You know the old line that

469
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Speaker 1: Burrow had all cleaned it up for radio. You know,

470
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Speaker 1: with all else fails, just throw it up there, Jamar.

471
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Speaker 1: Somewhere fourteen targets for Chase last night. Chase with seven

472
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Speaker 1: catches one hundred and ten yards, that's about sixteen yards

473
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Speaker 1: a catch. Didn't catch one in the end zone. Asked

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Speaker 1: after the game, Degrade, how Joe.

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Speaker 7: Did overall feel like we could have capitalized a lot more.

476
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Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure he could say the same, but I said,

477
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Speaker 7: think he did a good job of just keeping him

478
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Speaker 7: a minum going with he had opportunities to keep it

479
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Speaker 7: going and Captain Roizen on those situation for the offense.

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Speaker 1: Late third quarter, late third quarter. This is a nineteen

481
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Speaker 1: fourteen game, Bengals by six twenty nine yards out Burrow

482
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Speaker 1: to andre Yosi Vash that was with about fifteen seconds

483
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Speaker 1: to go in the third quarter. Made the finals, made

484
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Speaker 1: the score twenty six to fourteen, even though that was

485
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Speaker 1: a twelve point lead. With the way the Ravens were

486
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Speaker 1: so an apt on offense last night, largely due to

487
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Speaker 1: the Bengals defense, I thought that was pretty much ballgame.

488
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Speaker 1: And as Burrow grated himself last night, he said afterwards,

489
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Speaker 1: it was that particular pass where he thought he was

490
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Speaker 1: at his best.

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Speaker 6: That touched on to Yoshi. I felt pretty good about it.

492
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Speaker 6: Was put it right where I wanted it. Didn't exactly

493
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Speaker 6: spend it the way I wanted it, but that's all right.

494
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Speaker 6: I put it, put in a good spot, and you

495
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Speaker 6: know he was ready for the look.

496
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Speaker 5: Bowen was down cover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt good. And the other thing that I

498
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Speaker 1: you got to look at, and I'm not trying to

499
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Speaker 1: downplay Burrow coming back, but look at the field position

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Speaker 1: they had all night. And this again is largely because

501
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Speaker 1: of the defense. I mean, the worst field position that

502
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Speaker 1: they had last night was their own twenty yard line.

503
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Speaker 1: Their own twenty yard line, they were getting the ball

504
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Speaker 1: out near the forty consistently all game, forty seventy yard

505
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Speaker 1: line after an interception, forty eight after downs, thirty nine

506
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Speaker 1: after a punt. So when Zach was asked about Joe

507
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Speaker 1: last night, he said.

508
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Speaker 8: Our defense gave us the ability to do that. Our

509
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Speaker 8: defense gave him and our offense a chance to really

510
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Speaker 8: settle in and find our rhythm to really explore there

511
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Speaker 8: in the second half. And so Joe's done such a

512
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Speaker 8: great job handling as rehab, handling, the preparation for this

513
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Speaker 8: game gave us a lot of confidence. And then to

514
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Speaker 8: go there and be able to play on the road

515
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Speaker 8: in difficult circumstances, I thought was awesome.

516
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Speaker 1: All right, So as you might expect in the other

517
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Speaker 1: locker room, it was a completely different story the Ravens

518
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Speaker 1: just they were inept on offense, and again a lot

519
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Speaker 1: of it was due to the Bengals defense. Harbaugh said,

520
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Speaker 1: what the Bengals did defensively was not anything that they

521
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Speaker 1: did not expect. But you have your quarterback who was

522
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Speaker 1: intercepted once, you have four fumbles and you lose all

523
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Speaker 1: of them, and your quarterback is responsible for three of them.

524
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Speaker 1: So you might imagine what John Harbaugh felt like after

525
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Speaker 1: the game with all of those turnovers.

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Speaker 9: It's just one of those kind of games. I mean,

527
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Speaker 9: we had a bad game with that. You know, we

528
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Speaker 9: did not protect the football. It's not good. You know,

529
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Speaker 9: it's it's on me. I'm a coach, you know, and

530
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Speaker 9: my job is to make it clearity of the guys.

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Speaker 9: That's not okay. You know, you put the ball away.

532
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Speaker 9: You protected football. That's how it's done. And you know,

533
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Speaker 9: you catch it, you put it away, you finish that,

534
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Speaker 9: you finish the run, You do whatever you got to

535
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Speaker 9: do to protect the football because that's job one. I mean,

536
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Speaker 9: that's that's what wins and loses games. Our guys know that.

537
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 9: Everybody knows it, and it's my responsibility to make sure

538
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Speaker 9: they understand that. And then we practice it that way

539
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Speaker 9: every single day and it carries over to the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've had problems protecting the football in Baltimore,

541
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of historically. I mean, Derrick Henry has had

542
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Speaker 1: problems protecting the ball. He didn't finish, he didn't fumble

543
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Speaker 1: last night. And another thing, this goes back to what

544
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Speaker 1: I was talking about with Yardo. Twelve times the Ravens

545
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Speaker 1: got the ball last night. They got the ball last

546
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Speaker 1: night in twelve was twelve or thirteen thirteen times? Thirteen

547
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Speaker 1: times they got the ball last night. Six six drives

548
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: started with zero or fewer yards. You put a team

549
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Speaker 1: in the hole on first down, chance says, ay you're

550
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Speaker 1: winning on third down. The turnovers were bad, but a

551
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Speaker 1: lot of it was because I think of this relentless

552
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Speaker 1: pressure that they put on Lamar Jackson. You can almost

553
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Speaker 1: tell that Jackson wasn't expecting it. You know, Harbaugh said, yes,

554
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Speaker 1: we knew about it and all that. Of course, that's

555
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Speaker 1: what a coach is going to say. He's not going

556
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Speaker 1: to say you didn't see that coming and make him

557
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: look like a dummy. But it was just relentable, and

558
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: Joseph Osai in particular was absolutely outstanding. You know, you

559
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Speaker 1: wait for games like this and you hope that this

560
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Speaker 1: becomes a consistency thing with him. But Osi last night

561
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: four tackles, three solo, two sacks, two FuMB tackles for loss.

562
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Speaker 1: He hit the quarterback, he hit Jackson four times, and

563
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Speaker 1: he fought forced to fumble. Even he was crowing about

564
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: the turnovers. Yeah, exactly, exactly, And it only takes one.

565
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Speaker 7: Everybody knows when it comes to the football, they come

566
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Speaker 7: in a bunch of it only takes one.

567
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Speaker 6: And that's exactly what happened today.

568
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Speaker 10: And that's just giving the younger.

569
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Speaker 7: Guys hope to keep working at it, keep working other things.

570
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Speaker 1: You know that the top secure of the punch that tip.

571
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Speaker 3: Get your knnds up.

572
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: If you're not getting it to the rest, get.

573
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Speaker 5: Your hands up.

574
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Speaker 3: You can tip a past change the games.

575
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. So it's good to see

576
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Speaker 1: for third, that's exactly what happened. And Lamar Jackson looked

577
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Speaker 1: like a shell of himself. He's not right. I can

578
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Speaker 1: tell you he's not right. He's not running as strongly

579
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Speaker 1: as he is run in the past. And now he's

580
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: got a toe problem. Now he's had an ongoing knee problem,

581
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: just getting over a hamstring problem. But you look at

582
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Speaker 1: his line seventeen to thirty two two hundred and forty

583
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Speaker 1: six yards. Three times, he was sacked three times, he

584
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Speaker 1: gave the ball up and he was intercepted once. I

585
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Speaker 1: mean literally, it looked like it was his first day

586
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Speaker 1: in a football uniform yesterday. So here he was after

587
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Speaker 1: the game.

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Speaker 10: I can't describe the level of frustration. You know, I'm

589
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 10: ticked off. You know, it's not even fuss with them

590
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Speaker 10: his mac like I said, okay, have to it turned

591
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 10: over a bit part of winning losing games and turning

592
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Speaker 10: the ball over giving them an extra possession.

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Speaker 1: This is the outcome. That was the outcome, and now

594
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Speaker 1: it's on the Buffalo a week from Sunday. They have

595
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Speaker 1: beaten Buffalo up there, regardless of weather. Buffalo is not

596
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo of what we remember. They've lost some games

597
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: this year and have looked poorly doing it. Josh Allen

598
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Speaker 1: has looked suspect in several games this year. Buffalo is

599
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Speaker 1: still a good team, don't get me wrong. And Buffalo

600
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Speaker 1: has got to go to Pittsburgh this week and then

601
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Speaker 1: play the Bengals a week from Sunday. Buffalo is going

602
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Speaker 1: to have a very large hand as to who wins

603
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Speaker 1: the AFC North. But the Bengals now are four and eight.

604
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Speaker 1: There are three and one inside the division, four and

605
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Speaker 1: four inside the conference. Does nine wins win that division?

606
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Speaker 1: If if Pittsburgh wins on Sunday, I think nine wins

607
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: won't do it. I think Pittsburgh can get I think

608
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh can get the ten wins if they win on Sunday,

609
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Speaker 1: because they played Miami, they played Cleveland, and they played

610
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: the Ravens twice. But Pittsburgh is a shaky team too,

611
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: as we know, as for the Bengals, you know, I

612
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Speaker 1: mean it's winning, move on, Just win and move on.

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Speaker 1: It's just one more game. That's what Zach Panter had

614
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Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 8: We're just gonna keep fighting one week at a time.

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Speaker 11: I know.

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Speaker 8: We got Buffalo ten days from now. That's our focus.

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Speaker 8: We just try to control that. Don't worry about the

619
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Speaker 8: big picture right now. Just keep taking one game at

620
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Speaker 8: a time. This is the exact position we were in

621
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Speaker 8: last year, you know, and so unfortunately we've been here.

622
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Speaker 8: We know how to dig our way out of it,

623
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Speaker 8: and that's what's going to take.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if they had lost last night, different conversation.

625
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Speaker 1: But they win, it's still very much a possibility. Probability,

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Speaker 1: maybe not possibility. Yes, Baltimore's schedule is ridiculously tough. They

627
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Speaker 1: go to Pittsburgh a week from Sunday, then they're out

628
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: here a week after that. Then they go home and

629
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Speaker 1: play the best team at least at this point in

630
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Speaker 1: the AFC, maybe the NFL, the Patriots. Then they got

631
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Speaker 1: to finish the season at Green Bay and at Pittsburgh. Meanwhile,

632
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: the Bengals bill's next Baltimore here at Miami. Miamy's playing better,

633
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Speaker 1: but that should be a win home against Arizona. They've

634
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Speaker 1: already started to warm up the cars for the end

635
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: of the season. And then here against Cleveland could be

636
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Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders probably will be, will be Miles Garrett. It

637
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: won't be a layup. But you would think if they

638
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Speaker 1: get by the next two, they're in pretty darn good

639
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Speaker 1: shape in a division that is not as strong as

640
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: everyone thought it would be. But all you got to

641
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Speaker 1: do is just win it. It is coming up on

642
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: nine four. How did that alleged assassin from Afghanistan get

643
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: and stay in this country? And how many more are

644
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Speaker 1: running around this country just like him? Who do we

645
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: blame for that? And how do we fix it? It

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Speaker 1: is nine fifty five. It is Friday, ken Brew for

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Speaker 1: Scott Sloan News Radio seven hundred WLW Black Friday. You're

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Speaker 1: out and about with the masses. Good luck. We feared

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Speaker 1: this was coming when Joe Biden opened the borders and

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Speaker 1: let anybody into this country, not just from the southern borders,

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Speaker 1: but airlifts from Afghanistan. We feared that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the people that came into this country were not here

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Speaker 1: to say, let's just say, integrate themselves into the American

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Speaker 1: Way and try to become good Sidney Sins. There was

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Speaker 1: no vetting the southern border was invaded, all under the

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Speaker 1: auspices of Joe Biden and his band of merry men

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Speaker 1: that presided over this country for four years. And then

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Speaker 1: of course there was the airlived from Afghanistan, when there

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Speaker 1: was just that absolutely horrific, tragic and embarrassing pull out

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Speaker 1: from a country that we have been involved with militarily

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Speaker 1: and financially, and from at least on a certain level,

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Speaker 1: trying to tamp down terrorism over the course of the

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Speaker 1: last forty years. And now we've seen what might have

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Speaker 1: been a fallout of that. Two National Guardsmen on duty

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Speaker 1: for our country in Washington, DC were shot on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 1: One Sarah bectram A Bekstrum of West Virginia, has died

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Speaker 1: and the man accused of attache Bekskrum and another guardsman

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Speaker 1: was identified as a twenty nine year old Afghan by

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Speaker 1: the name of Rama Noula La Khanwall. He was taken

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Speaker 1: in to custody after the attack. He apparently drove from

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Speaker 1: Washington State cross country to Washington, DC with the intent

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Speaker 1: of shooting and killing Americans in the uniform and in

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Speaker 1: this case National guardsman, he used the three point fifty

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Speaker 1: seven Smith and Wesson revolver and quite frankly, who didn't

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Speaker 1: see this coming? Now? Of course, the Democrats who hate

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Speaker 1: Trump and everything is Trump's fault. If a dog takes

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Speaker 1: a dump on your front lawn and the owner doesn't

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Speaker 1: clean it up, they blame Donald Trump. They're saying, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute now, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden let him in the country. But forget about

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Speaker 1: that for a second. Donald Trump and his administration greater

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Speaker 1: than asylum, great of this person asylum and all these

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Speaker 1: other Afghans that are in this country running around God

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Speaker 1: knows where, thinking about God knows doing what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was Donald Trump who gave them asylum. Really is

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Speaker 1: the story here? And is there someone to blame? And

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Speaker 1: if it is, let's find out. Andrew Arthur is someone

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Speaker 1: who is well esteemed, well versed in all things immigration.

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Speaker 1: He writes for the Center for Immigration Studies CIS dot

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Speaker 1: Org is where you can find his work, as well

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Speaker 1: as others that are just absolutely terrific in chronicling what

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Speaker 1: has happened to this country from an illegal immigration standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Over the last five years, and he's kind enough to

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Speaker 1: carve out some of his time to be with us

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Speaker 1: here today on seven hundred WLWWN Andrew Arthur, how are

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Speaker 1: you on this glorious Friday.

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Speaker 12: Get I'm doing great. I wish we had a better

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Speaker 12: topic to talk about. I wish we were talking about

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Speaker 12: Ohio State versus Michigan. But unfortunately we're not.

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Speaker 1: We are not, Andrew, we are not all right. So look,

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Speaker 1: we all saw the retreat from Afghanistan. It happened very

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Speaker 1: early in Joe Biden's administration. Thirteen brave Americans were killed.

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Speaker 1: They were brought back to Dover. That's how they arrived

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Speaker 1: back in the country. Biden stood there looking at his

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Speaker 1: watch trying to figure out how long it was until

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Speaker 1: ice cream. And that happened very early in his administration.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, August of twenty twenty one, and

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Speaker 1: now here we have on that airlift. We have a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that were in Afghanistan that were just

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Speaker 1: shoved into airplanes sent to this country, admittedly not vetted

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Speaker 1: with in person interviews. That was an admission by may Orcus,

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Speaker 1: who expertly presided over the demise of DHS over the

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Speaker 1: last four years. And here we have what happened today.

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Speaker 1: Whose fault is it that this guy that had gotten

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Speaker 1: down to National guardsmen in Washington, d C. This twenty

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Speaker 1: nine year old Rama Nula la Conwell, Whose fault is

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Speaker 1: it that he is in this country?

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Speaker 12: Well, Ken, you have to go back to the beginning.

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Speaker 12: You have to go back to September eleventh. The reason

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Speaker 12: that we were in Afghanistan was because Osama bin Laden

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Speaker 12: was sheltered by the Taliban, by the religious fundamentalists who

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Speaker 12: had taken over the country of Afghanistan. We went into

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Speaker 12: Afghanistan and we allied with certain groups that were opposed

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Speaker 12: to Taliban there and you know, by and large we

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Speaker 12: managed to drive the Taliban out of Kabul, out of

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Speaker 12: the major cities, but we never really had control of

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Speaker 12: the country. Again, we you know, allied with certain groups

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Speaker 12: that were in that country, and you know, purportedly those

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Speaker 12: individuals were vetted. But if you remember a phrase that

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Speaker 12: was common at the time, green on blue attacks, those

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Speaker 12: were attacked by our purported Afghan allies who had purportedly

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Speaker 12: been vetted, who you know, then attacked NATO forces, including

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Speaker 12: American forces in the Hindu Kush and those were, you know,

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Speaker 12: rather me your black eyes for the Department of Defense

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Speaker 12: at the time, who were supposed to be doing all

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Speaker 12: this setting Now, the vetting that you could do in

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Speaker 12: Afghanistan is only as good as the information that.

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Speaker 3: You have, and well, given the.

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Speaker 12: Parloist nature of Afghanistan since the nineteen eighties, there really

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Speaker 12: was a lot of good information to go on, which

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Speaker 12: is how we had those green on blue attacks. But

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Speaker 12: nonetheless we began giving out visas special immigrant thesas to

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Speaker 12: you know, Afghans who had served in the United States.

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Speaker 12: That brings us up to August to twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 12: the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, when one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 12: four thousand people putting six thousand United States citizens but

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Speaker 12: under twenty four thousand, largely in vetted people were packed

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Speaker 12: onto I think it was c. Seventeens and flown out

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Speaker 12: of Kamid Karzai Airport. We'd actually abandoned our own airport

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Speaker 12: at that time in Afghanistan. So they were flown to

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Speaker 12: what were called lily pads in the Middle East and

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Speaker 12: in Europe, and vetting was supposed to take place, you know,

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Speaker 12: before any of those people were sent on to what

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Speaker 12: were called safe.

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Speaker 3: Havens in the United States.

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Speaker 12: The problem, as the Department of Defense Inspector General found

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Speaker 12: in February of twenty twenty two, was that half of

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Speaker 12: those people, the ones who were vetted by DHS not DoD,

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Speaker 12: weren't actually thoroughly vetted. They weren't thoroughly vetted against DoD resources,

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Speaker 12: and those people had already been released into the United States. Now,

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Speaker 12: mister lockanal actually did you know? He was eligible for

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Speaker 12: one of those special immigrant pieces, but he didn't get it.

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Speaker 12: That's a rather lengthy process. So instead of that, he

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Speaker 12: applied for asylum in the United States and he was

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Speaker 12: granted that in April. The problem, again, Ken, is that

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Speaker 12: vetting is only as good as the.

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Speaker 3: Information that you have available.

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Speaker 12: And with respects to you know, a lot of those people,

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Speaker 12: I can't tell you how many, because we're never going

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Speaker 12: to know. We really don't have the ability to vet

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Speaker 12: any of them, and you know.

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Speaker 3: We don't really know the background.

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Speaker 12: We don't really know whether they were with the towel

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Speaker 12: ban or whether they were pro American.

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Speaker 3: This particular event hits very.

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Speaker 12: Close to home for me because the Farragut West Metro

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Speaker 12: where this shooting took place is actually the one that

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Speaker 12: I take when I go to my office on Key

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Speaker 12: Street in Washington, DC. Very familiar with it and I

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Speaker 12: always say hey to the to the National Guardsmen who

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Speaker 12: are there, and I thanked him for being there, and

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Speaker 12: you know, I'm more grateful now. I don't think that,

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Speaker 12: you know, and again we're it's going to take us

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Speaker 12: a while to figure this out. I don't necessarily think

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Speaker 12: that he just meant to.

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Speaker 3: Kill National guardsmen.

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Speaker 12: That's a very busy metro and it's the one that

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, but he did, and although he came, he

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Speaker 1: was although six thousand I think what you said were

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Speaker 1: United States citizens that were on those planes that carried

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four thousand people out From what

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Speaker 1: I'm from what I'm reading here, people were just being

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Speaker 1: shoved into planes. There was no vetting. Then they went

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Speaker 1: to these lily pads, as you mentioned, and they were

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Speaker 1: all over Europe and some of them wound up here

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Speaker 1: in the United States. So the Conwall dude was running around.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew who he was. From what we were we're

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Speaker 1: being told he was living in Squalor in Bellingham, Washington.

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Speaker 1: There were no beds in the place. They were sleeping

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Speaker 1: on floors. And the family that he brought over here with,

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Speaker 1: and there were certainly a large number of people who

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Speaker 1: are Afghan nationals that fought alongside the United States servicemen

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Speaker 1: to try and preserve some order of peace in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: But by and large, this was an ideology of the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration to just let anybody in and here come

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Speaker 1: the Afghans. You know, well, you know, the Chinese and

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Speaker 1: the Venezuelans and the Colombians are coming through the southern border.

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Speaker 1: That's taken care of. Now let's get some Afghans over here.

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Speaker 1: So he's running around the country doing god knows what

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Speaker 1: he's in this country, and I believe you said in

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Speaker 1: April he was granted asylum. Now the Democrats are arguing

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Speaker 1: that this is Trump's fault, that it was the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration that granted him asylum. Trump is saying, well, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute. I mean, the laws are structured the way

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Speaker 1: they are. We had no choice, you can't find it.

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Speaker 1: We had to give him asylum. So at some point

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Speaker 1: the finger pointing has to intersect. And I'm hearing two

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Speaker 1: different arguments here. So if Biden led him into the country.

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Speaker 1: Is Trump responsible for letting him stay inside the country?

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Speaker 1: How does that work? Andrew?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 12: You know, to be granted asylum, all you have to

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Speaker 12: do is show well founded fear and well, if you

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Speaker 12: served in any capacity with the United States, it's fair

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Speaker 12: to say that the Taliban is probably going to harm you.

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Speaker 12: But simply because you've been granted asylum doesn't mean you've

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Speaker 12: been vetted. And those immigration judges, and remember I was one,

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Speaker 12: they're relying upon the information that the government presents, and

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Speaker 12: the government is relying upon the information that our intelligence

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Speaker 12: agencies present. And you know, I don't want to sound

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Speaker 12: good about a situation in which you know, one person

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Speaker 12: was wounded, one died, but that vetting process truly is

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Speaker 12: a garbage in, garbage out process. If we don't know

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Speaker 12: anything about these people, if we know the attacks have

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Speaker 12: taken place on our servicemen in Afghanistan, and then we

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Speaker 12: you know, load people higgleby Piggley and apparently you know,

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Speaker 12: Biden had given the order he wanted those planes overloaded.

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Speaker 3: We didn't.

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Speaker 12: We weren't able to vet those people when we were

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Speaker 12: bringing them out. You can remember the pictures, you know,

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Speaker 12: This was a patchwork process, and it was one again

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Speaker 12: that you know, not yesterday. Back in February of twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty two, the Department of Defense Inspector General was warning

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Speaker 12: that this was a danger to the United States. And

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Speaker 12: I think that the Trump administration has taken the right

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Speaker 12: move here at this time. It's not really closing the

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Speaker 12: barn door, but it's identifying that you've got a problem

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Speaker 12: you need to resolve. Yeah, they want to loading down

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Speaker 12: all of those asylum applications right now until we can

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Speaker 12: get better information or move those folks someplace out.

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Speaker 1: Well, they want the the president wants to revet some

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Speaker 1: people that weren't vetted in the first place. They want

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Speaker 1: us to revent who's in this country. You're you're going

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and find it was one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty six thousand, less eight thousand that worked for the government,

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Speaker 1: and maybe another two thousand, let's let's be more generous,

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Speaker 1: there maybe another five thousand that fought side by side

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Speaker 1: with Americans. So if you're going to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: try and find one hundred and twenty thousand Afghans that

861
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: are in this country, some of whom may be here

862
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: to do harm, some of whom may be here just

863
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: to assimilate into society. Who knows he's not going to

864
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: be able to do that, is he He's not going

865
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: to be able to rout all these people up, is he?

866
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 11: No?

867
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 12: But the one thing that he can do is stop

868
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 12: the process at this point, prevent them from getting permanent

869
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 12: status in the United States. And you know, it's important

870
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 12: to note en there's a lot of untapped DoD intelligence

871
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 12: that we had. If there was an ied we would

872
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 12: pick up fingerprints from it. There was intelligence that we

873
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 12: had received on the ground. We spent trillions with the

874
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 12: key in Afghanistan, and that's you know, probably one of

875
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 12: the most shameful situations that came out of all of this.

876
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 12: But we do have information. It's now up to the

877
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 12: Director of National Intelligence to you know, shepherd all of

878
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 12: that information together, to take it from the various three

879
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 12: letter agencies, and to you know, compile it for every

880
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 12: person that comes across. Some of those people can are

881
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 12: not going to be able to resettle in this country.

882
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 12: We will end up having to move them out. But

883
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 12: compare this, contrast this to the way that this you

884
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 12: know that a program like this would normally happen we

885
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 12: wouldn't put these people on planes and fly them to

886
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 12: the United States. We would send them to refugee camps

887
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 12: that we would pay for in countries.

888
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: Like Pakistan, you know, which is a nominal ally of

889
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: the United States.

890
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 12: And it's only at that point that we would actually,

891
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 12: you know, go through that vetting process on the ground

892
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 12: close to where all of this happened. We're going to

893
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 12: be relying upon a lot of our allies in the

894
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 12: region to give us additional information. We're also going to

895
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 12: be relying upon a lot of our allies in the

896
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 12: region to take these people, to put them into refugee

897
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 12: camps so that they can be properly processed. Don't be

898
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 12: surprised that that's not the next stage of this, of

899
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 12: this entire scheme that the President is crafting. And you know,

900
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 12: I insistate that there will be a more fulsome vetting,

901
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 12: and I got a feeling that we're going to find

902
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 12: some pretty bad actors as a result of that point.

903
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: I think, I think you're right, and you're right when

904
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: you said a couple of minutes ago, garbage in, garbage

905
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: out on vetting. Where do you go to find information

906
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: on a farmer who was in the hills of Afghanistan

907
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: and nobody knows who the hell he is, and now

908
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's running around the United States

909
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: of America because he was airlifted here. I mean, the

910
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: information on a lot of these guys and women have

911
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: to be pretty sketchy at best.

912
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, absolutely, especially when you're talking about Afghans, because

913
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 12: you know, you have a date of birth, and that

914
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 12: is a marker that will follow you for the rest

915
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 12: of your life when you talk about Afghanistan. And I've

916
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 12: seen you know, keep in mind, I used to, you know,

917
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 12: head up the National Security Law Division at the I

918
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 12: and S. A lot of these people don't actually have

919
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 12: dates of birth like you and I do. Their date

920
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 12: of birth is January one, you know, because the year

921
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 12: that you were born.

922
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: Is your birthday.

923
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 12: And so you know, we our ability to know anything

924
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 12: about those people is difficult.

925
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: They can change their names very easily.

926
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Speaker 12: And you know, the Taliban isn't giving us any information

927
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 12: out of Afghanistan today, So we are wholly relying upon

928
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 12: the information that we gathered when we were on the ground.

929
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 12: We're relying upon the information that our allies in the region,

930
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 12: you know, are going to be giving us. But yeah,

931
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 12: I mean this, this truly is one of those situations

932
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 12: where you're looking for a black book in the middle

933
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 12: of the night.

934
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Speaker 1: In a lot of these cases, Andrew Arthur, We're we

935
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: are going to pay for what happened in the last

936
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: five years with regards to what Biden did to this

937
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: country in terms of who got in and no vetting

938
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: and an open Southern board. We're going we are going

939
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: to pay for this for decades. And it's not going

940
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: to be every day. It just has to be one

941
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: day every so often. And unfortunately that one day was

942
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: in was in this week on Wednesday for those two

943
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: National guardsmen. I can't you and I have talked enough

944
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: over the last few years to know that we're in

945
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: a situation right now in this country. We've got to

946
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: find out who people are and in the why they're here,

947
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: what they want to do, and in the process we

948
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: have to not only work around judges, we have to

949
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: work around local officials like mayors and governors who don't

950
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: want that kind of information out and want to keep

951
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: these people here and are working not in concert with

952
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: the United States but against the United States. This is

953
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: this is going to be a laborious, difficult process. I

954
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: think Andrew that's going to take decad aid. Would you

955
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: agree we lost Andrew? Okay, nevertheless, that's how I feel

956
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: it will be. I hope I'm wrong. US Attorney General

957
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Pambondy said yesterday on Thanksgiving they will seek the death

958
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: penalty for this rama. Noula Lachuanal, who is the alleged

959
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: gunman in the shooting. One of the guardsmen, Sarah Beckstrom

960
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: of West Virginia, has already died. The other is in

961
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: critical condition. His name is Andrew Wolf. She's going to

962
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: seek the death penalty in the US District Court of Washington,

963
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: d C. To Pambondi, I say good luck getting that,

964
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: but at least you have to pursue it. It is

965
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: ten twenty six on this Friday, news radio seven hundred

966
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: WYLW got scared for a moment. I thought that was

967
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: a readout of some ekg I was taking welcome back

968
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: seven hundred well w ken Brew for Scott Sloan on

969
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: this day after Thanksgiving. But you are with us. I

970
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: don't say that capriciously because without you, who would I be?

971
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: I would be simply one man sitting in a room

972
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: babbling to himself incoherently, Why would I have to leave

973
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: home to do that eleven o'clock. If you're out shopping today,

974
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: know this not just you, but everyone else spending less

975
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: on Black Friday this year. And why, Well, I guess

976
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: the easy answer is the economy. But we'll attempt to

977
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: dive deeper into the wise coming up at eleven oh six.

978
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: It's never an easy day when you are laid off

979
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: or fired, just isn't. In fact, it's probably one of

980
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: the worst days in your life. You would like to

981
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: think that it's not an easy thing for the person

982
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: who is doing the laying off for firing, but they

983
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: will have a job at the end of the day

984
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: and you will not. But there's one way to deal

985
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: with it that would be at least you, and another

986
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: way to deal with it that is increasingly becoming more

987
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: popular and less humane, and that is virtually laying off

988
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: or firing somebody. Amazon is an example. Amazon began laying

989
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: off fourteen thousand employees last month, and a lot of

990
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: the people who were being laid off learned of their

991
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: fate by a text or perhaps a zoom call telling

992
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: them that their services are no longer needed. Now The idea,

993
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: of course, for the company is to communicate the bad

994
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: news as quickly as possible, but it does seem a

995
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: little inhumane to do it the way Amazon is doing it.

996
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: It is really life imitating art. Remember that movie back

997
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, I think it starred George

998
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: Clooney called Up in the Air. He was basically a

999
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: corporate hatchman, and he would hatchet man, and he would

1000
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: fly from city to city doing the dirty work that

1001
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: people in the C suite did not want to do.

1002
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: And it eventually came a part of the plot where

1003
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: it was being done by conference call, not even a

1004
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: face to face meeting. Anyway. Amazon has had some problems

1005
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: with this, glitches and zoom calls and things like that,

1006
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: and it leads one to wonder, why don't you just

1007
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: have the compassion and offer the dignity of telling someone

1008
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: face to face that their services are no longer needed.

1009
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Someone else who's wondering about this is my next guest.

1010
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: He is John Bowerman. He is the co founder of

1011
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: Stealth Consulting, and he has written books about this, including

1012
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: one that was geared towards his children to help them

1013
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: understand what the big bad cruel world is like when

1014
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: you go out there, the book is, You're not lost,

1015
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: You're just starting. As we start our interview today with

1016
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: John Bowerman, how are you on this glorious Friday.

1017
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing good.

1018
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're with us here. Look, I'm sure

1019
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: you saw the movie back in two thousand and nine

1020
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: right up in the air. George Clooney was in it,

1021
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: and it was a movie built around the same topic

1022
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: where companies just virtually fire employees. They don't do it

1023
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: face to face. They do it either by a conference

1024
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: call or whatever it may be. When did we get

1025
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: to be so impersonal about telling somebody that their services

1026
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: are no longer needed.

1027
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 4: I know, as soon as we tipped over the edge of.

1028
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 13: Describing easy as efficiency, unfortunately, you know, unfortunately had to

1029
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 13: let go several hundred people, and over the course of

1030
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 13: a few decades. There's several different companies and in each

1031
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 13: one still I believe that you have to show up

1032
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 13: and treat people as human and even if that process

1033
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 13: only takes sixty to ninety seconds, you still owe it

1034
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 13: to the people at your.

1035
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: Company as opposed to efficiency. Sometimes easy is efficient, as

1036
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: you well know. But this seems like the coward's way

1037
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: out to do this. You're right, these are people that

1038
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: have real lives and real people depending on them, and

1039
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: the network that goes out from those other people extends

1040
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: ad infinitums. So I'm just easy can be efficient delineate

1041
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: the two if you could?

1042
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 13: For us, absolutely, And it's also very short sighted because

1043
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 13: in the short term it feels like, well, okay, we're going.

1044
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 4: To be able to virtually.

1045
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 13: Eliminate even if it was one hundred positions, and instead

1046
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 13: of having to have ten minute phone call set up,

1047
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 13: we're just going to send it.

1048
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 4: Out in mass.

1049
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 13: And what's really shortsighted about that is two things.

1050
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: One is your reputation.

1051
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 13: So if you are if someone has a great experience,

1052
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 13: they're going to tell one other person, if they have

1053
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 13: a awful experience, they're going to tell one hundred. So

1054
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 13: you're looking at just what is this, how is this

1055
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 13: going to affect one hundred people, and not thinking about

1056
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 13: how's this going to affect one hundred times one hundred

1057
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 13: people is one and two, what you're doing is also

1058
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 13: opening up the door for very costly problems. So people

1059
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 13: we look at technology today as it never goes wrong,

1060
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 13: I've seen it numerous times, especially in these kind of

1061
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 13: circumstances where the wrong people get on the list, and

1062
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 13: now all of a sudden is you're opening yourself up

1063
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 13: to potentially losing great people that you never intended to

1064
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 13: in the first place, all in the name of efficiency.

1065
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 4: That doesn't happen when you're showing up in person.

1066
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: How prevalent is this? This virtual these virtual firings or layoffs.

1067
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: And I'm reading where Amazon laid off like fourteen thousand

1068
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: employees last month, and some learned of their faith by

1069
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: a text message telling them to consult their inboxes, which

1070
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: is pretty danged to cold. But I'm just are are

1071
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: more companies than not doing this? And I would guess

1072
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: it would be larger companies. It would be hard. I

1073
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: would think for somebody that has maybe one hundred employees

1074
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: to do this, I mean they could, but it certainly

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Speaker 1: would ramp it through that company and probably lead to

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot of other people leaving on their own. But

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Speaker 1: these bigger companies, how prevalent is this, these these virtual

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00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: firings in virtual layoffs.

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Speaker 13: Typically you only see this in large enterprises. I think

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00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 13: in your medium, medium to small business you would rarely

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Speaker 13: see a virtual laugh.

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Speaker 4: But you know people are But I see.

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Speaker 13: That shift happening where it's will become more common occurrence

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00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 13: the smaller and smaller the company. And here's the excuse

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00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 13: that's being put out there is that, well, this is

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00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 13: what the next generation prefers. The next generation would prefer

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00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 13: not to have a phone call, would prefer not to

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 13: be on camera, and so that represents the justification. All

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 13: we're doing is giving the people what they prefer, and

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00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 13: that is a you know, unfortunately, is a really misguided excuse,

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00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 13: because no one prefers that one of the most pivotal

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Speaker 13: moments in their in their life, uh to not be

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00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 13: treated uh that is if they matter, and it should.

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Speaker 13: It should correlate with the expectation that they've had every day.

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00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 13: Maybe they've been there for a year or two years

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Speaker 13: and they've been expected to show up every day and

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00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 13: this one very uh pivotal.

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Speaker 4: Moment you need to be able to show up for them.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a chicken crap way to end unemployment, it really is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just shows it's cutlass, is what it is.

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: And if you don't want that C suite position, then

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00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: don't take the difficult things that come along with it,

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00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: and the difficult things are always keeping the investors or

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: the board or whatever happy. You You have to create

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: a workplace environment if you want people to buy in,

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: to create an environment where they buy in and they're

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: not constantly worried about whether or not they're they're going

1109
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: to have a job. But I'm going to offer something here, John,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's it comes out the

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: way I wanted to. But we have become a less

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: personal society since the invention of personal technology, whether it

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00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: be Twitter, whether it be emails, whether it be i Ams,

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00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And the younger as as we

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00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: become younger in the corner suite, we become populated in

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Speaker 1: that corner suite, and therefore in middle management with younger

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: people who grew up on two hundred and eighty characters

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Speaker 1: as opposed to face to face meetings, for using a

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Speaker 1: phone simply to text, as opposed to talk. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just wondering if this isn't all a product of just

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Speaker 1: where we are as a society. What do you think?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's interesting because in many ways it's contradictory. So

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01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 13: we are, you know, we're past the age of industrialization.

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 13: We're living now in the age of authenticity. People want

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Speaker 13: authenticity more than ever. We don't want to see the

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Speaker 13: stock photo. We want to see what we're really going

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01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 13: to get. You see the emergence of craft versus mass production,

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Speaker 13: and it's what people want. They want the real thing

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 13: this and while technology enables that, owing virtual on things

1130
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 13: like this really goes against what people are really craving,

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Speaker 13: which is connection and authenticity.

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Speaker 5: We're you know, we're.

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Speaker 13: More connected and feel less connected more than ever.

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Speaker 1: You said something a couple of minutes ago. One of

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Speaker 1: the one of the things that you said that that

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Speaker 1: really stuck out with me is that when you have

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Speaker 1: a bad experience, whether it's at work, whether it's at

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01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: a restaurant, department store, wherever it may be, if you

1139
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: have a bad experience, you won't be shy about telling

1140
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: other people. If you have a good experience, chances are

1141
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to tell anybody. You'll just have that experience,

1142
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: say hey, that was nice at all.

1143
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 5: Leave.

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01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: If you have a company that is doing these kinds

1145
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: of things, and I'm not talking about you know, the

1146
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: companies that employ a million people worldwide or wherever, not

1147
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: not the Amazon dot coms of the world, but just

1148
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: the the companies that might have an employee base of

1149
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: one hundred one hundretten fifty two hundred people. You start

1150
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: doing something like this, not only will it create the

1151
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: unrest inside your company, but true to try and attract

1152
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: good people to come and work or replace them. But

1153
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: whenever you're ramping up for more business, the work will

1154
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: be out on the streets. It's kind of it's kind

1155
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: of counterintuitive.

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Speaker 4: Is it not? Absolutely?

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Speaker 13: And I would venture to say there's probably a lot

1158
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 13: of companies that are doing virtual layoffs and they would

1159
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Speaker 13: send you a pamphlet on their core.

1160
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: Values and it probably includes words like.

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Speaker 13: Integrity and people first, and you know, we're a family

1162
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 13: and in all of that, and then you know, this

1163
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 13: is the behavior that is actually projected unbelievable.

1164
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Speaker 1: You're with Stealth Consulting. You started Stealth Consulting? What is that?

1165
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: What are are these some of the things you consult

1166
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: companies on.

1167
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 13: Absolutely a past Life grew a very large digital agency

1168
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 13: and we were focused on large scale growth, exited that

1169
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 13: that industry and wanted to get a little more hands

1170
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 13: on with companies and so self was a way that

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 13: we could do that to bring in fractional marketing teams

1172
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 13: to companies versus trying to go out and find.

1173
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 4: That unicorn that's going to do everything.

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Speaker 13: And that's a that's allowed me to get, you know,

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01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 13: real hands on with multiple C suite executive teams where

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01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 13: behavior and decisions really need to start, you know, because

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Speaker 13: there's a there's a lot of misguided perception that well,

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01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 13: we can expect differently from the team than they can

1179
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 13: expect of us. And one of the big things we

1180
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 13: go in and do is shift that perception.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, what what's all you know? Do

1182
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: as I say, not as I do? And it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I've always found that to be interesting, particularly in the

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: line of work I'm in, because it's it's not only

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01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: not always the most well run organization. You know, there's

1186
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there that just get ascended

1187
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: through the ranks to management and then all of a sudden,

1188
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: because they were great at sales or some other niche

1189
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: part of the business, all of a sudden, here you go,

1190
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: there's your promotion and the man or the woman is

1191
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: sitting there and it's like, well, now that I'm here,

1192
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: what the hell do I do? I guess. I guess.

1193
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: The observation leads to a question, can you teach management?

1194
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody doesn't really have great management skills,

1195
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: can you really teach management to anybody? Because this is

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. I think, anyways, how you

1197
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: treat employees, how you manage those employees to get the

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Speaker 1: most out of them so that the company becomes profitable.

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Speaker 1: But I think I think you probably would find too

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Speaker 1: A lot of people just get promoted so the company

1201
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: doesn't lose someone they view valuable, but yet they get

1202
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: promoted to a position where they have no business being

1203
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: I think that happens a lot, don't you.

1204
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 13: Absolutely, And it's you know what I would what I

1205
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 13: would inform people of it's a cover in the book,

1206
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,959
Speaker 13: not lot you're just starting. Is that really everyone, even

1207
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 13: if you work for a company. So there's a big

1208
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 13: misconception around entrepreneurship that to be an entrepreneur you have

1209
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 13: to start a business. And my belief is that everyone

1210
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 13: in the world should show up like an entrepreneur. And

1211
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 13: what that means is that you're the CEO of yourself.

1212
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 13: So Ken is the CEO of the Keen Company. And

1213
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 13: even if Ken works for another company. You show up

1214
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 13: as if the company you work for is one of

1215
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 13: your clients. And when you look at your employer like

1216
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 13: a client, then you know that guess what I could

1217
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 13: that client I could lose at any time, And so

1218
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 13: you're better prepared for any moment, even if it's a

1219
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 13: virtual layoff that Okay, I've got a backup plan and

1220
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 13: I'm looking out, I'm going to negotiate on behalf of myself,

1221
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 13: and you just approach approach the world differently, and you're

1222
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 13: in a better position to have to have to change paths.

1223
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 13: And as I was considering that for my kids, was

1224
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 13: that in helping coach them as to you.

1225
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 4: Know, what should they go to college? What what career

1226
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 4: should they pursue?

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Speaker 13: In all likelihood, with the world that's ahead, they might

1228
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 13: have to change that a dozen times and they need

1229
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Speaker 13: to be prepared for that.

1230
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the book is You're not lost, You're just starting,

1231
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: and it's available on Amazon dot com. If indeed Amazon

1232
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: has enough employees to get it to you, that's true,

1233
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: that's a conundrum. You've got a great book. You gotta

1234
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: hope Amazon doesn't lay off as many people as they

1235
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: say they're going to. John Bowerman. It's it's been enlightening.

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01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Stay well, yours is a voice that

1237
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: needs to be heard, and hopefully we can visit down

1238
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: the road.

1239
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 4: Thanks all right, appreciate it again, Thank you.

1240
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Amazon will see. But again, if you know, I

1241
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: know I'm preaching to the choir, but if you run

1242
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: a business and you have to let somebody go, do

1243
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: it face to face. And if if it's a cascading

1244
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: number of people, you have to let go. So that's

1245
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: why you employ managers that work for you face to face,

1246
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: not an email, not a zoom call. I mean, come on,

1247
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? It is ten fifty six

1248
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: already on this black Friday, and we press on next.

1249
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: On seven hundred WLW, it is eleven ten on this

1250
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: Friday morning. I am ken Brew for Scott Sloan. Top

1251
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: of the hour. Mike Allen is in. Take it right

1252
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: up till three o'clock this afternoon here on seven hundred WLW.

1253
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: If you're anywhere near the Kenwood Town Center, my condolences.

1254
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: It is absolutely going to be a frenzy inside that

1255
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: place today. Any shopping mall anywhere in America, it's not

1256
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: quite what it used to be. Because the majority of

1257
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: shopping in this country is done online, Cyber Monday always

1258
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: tends to overshadow Black Friday. But there is still a

1259
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: large contingent of us, and I include myself that when

1260
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: I buy something, I really want to see it. If

1261
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: it's clothing, I want to try it on and see

1262
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: if it fits. I don't want to have to have

1263
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: it sent to my door. Up doesn't fit, Now, I

1264
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: got to go take it back, even though they'll take

1265
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: it back. And still, I mean, you got that hassle.

1266
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: But it's not like it was even ten years ago

1267
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: in these big box stores where you could go in

1268
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: and find exactly what you want on the rack, try

1269
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: it on, it works, Okay, I'm buying it. I'm leaving.

1270
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: And we also know that tomorrow is what do they

1271
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: call it, small Business Saturday, which I think is important

1272
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: to a lot of the mom and pop stores need

1273
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: your business as well, and maybe there you can actually

1274
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: tangibly see something that you want to buy and then

1275
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: physically buy it there. But whether we're shopping online or

1276
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: shopping in a store itself, apparently we're not spending as

1277
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: much money this year as we have in years past.

1278
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: There is new data out from Deloitte. It's surveyed shoppers

1279
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: and they say they plan to spend four percent less

1280
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: than last year between Black Friday and Cyber Monday, that

1281
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: would be this this weekend. Why will the higher cost

1282
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: of living fear the economy is not on the right track.

1283
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: In fact, consumers making more than I'm sorry, less than

1284
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a year are expected to spend twelve

1285
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: percent less than last year. That's according to the business

1286
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: service Deloitte. Shoppers making an excess of two hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars a year say they're going to cut back almost

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Speaker 1: twenty percent, and sixty nine percent of the people that

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Speaker 1: were surveyed by the University of Michigan say they expect

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Speaker 1: unemployment to increase over the next year twice the percentage

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Speaker 1: from a year ago. Well, AI is here, and it

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Speaker 1: will cut into jobs and certainly starting was already started,

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Speaker 1: but certainly starting in full force in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, we're not spending as much money for holiday

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Speaker 1: gifts Christmas honekah, whatever it may be as we did

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Speaker 1: eight years past. So that's bad for the economy as

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Speaker 1: a whole. But really, and truly, why is there no

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Speaker 1: confidence in where the economy is. It seems to be

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Speaker 1: doing just well if you're in some sort of four

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Speaker 1: oh one K Wall Street has outperformed my gosh, it's

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Speaker 1: outperformed its own expectations for this year and has for

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Speaker 1: most of the last five or six years. But what's

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Speaker 1: the problem here? Standing by the way in is Ron Glasgow.

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Speaker 1: He is a financial strategist heads up Glasgow Investment Solutions.

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Speaker 1: He started in the financial business about twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: He was in the United States Marine Corps. He's a veteran,

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Speaker 1: which and we love veterans, but I thought his thoughts

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Speaker 1: might be pretty good on this because we've had Ron

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Speaker 1: on the show before and it's great to have him back.

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Speaker 1: And Ron Glasgow, how are you on this glorious Friday?

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Speaker 11: Ah?

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Speaker 5: Very good, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you ever be on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're here. Look, we hear this every

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Speaker 1: year that the spending is going to be less than

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Speaker 1: what it was the year before. It seems to be

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Speaker 1: a warning signal every November when Thanksgiving rolls around, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, most years it's not that way. Do

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Speaker 1: you sense it will? Be this way this.

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Speaker 11: Year, you know, I really do you know it's Deloitte

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Speaker 11: just did a big study. It shows that for the

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Speaker 11: first time, there's twenty twenty one people's planning to spid

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Speaker 11: less during the holidays than they do they have in

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Speaker 11: previous years. But more than that, it's kind of being

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Speaker 11: involved in the markets that in society in general, you can.

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Speaker 4: Just sort of feel the pinch.

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Speaker 11: To me, it feels an awful lot like a jack

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Speaker 11: in the box, and every quarter that goes by, where

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Speaker 11: we have the markets at all time highs with really

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Speaker 11: you know, lacking underlying fundamentals.

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Speaker 4: It's that jack that it feels like that lever gets

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Speaker 4: tightened a quarter term, as you know, the Jack Visley

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Speaker 4: comes out of the box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And I just we could just pause

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Speaker 1: right there and talk about that, because I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Everybody talks about Wall Street and Main Street and Wall

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Speaker 1: Street's doing well. I mean, you look at the down

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Speaker 1: now compared to where it was in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's almost double, And I understand it. Just it's

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Speaker 1: just a very few stocks that control the Dow. But

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Speaker 1: the S and P is strong. NASDAK has been strong,

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Speaker 1: but that's great if you're invested. If you're not invested,

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Speaker 1: if you're just somebody living paycheck to paycheck and try

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Speaker 1: to buy food and gas and shelter your family. It's

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Speaker 1: not translating there at this point, is it.

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Speaker 5: No, it's really hard.

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Speaker 11: You know, I go for very modestly, and I had

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Speaker 11: a steel mill town in the Midwest, so you know,

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Speaker 11: I still go back and I still try to try

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Speaker 11: to stay with my ear to the street, as as

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Speaker 11: they say, but it's it's really difficult. I think inflation

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Speaker 11: has kind of been cast aside by the media, you know.

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Speaker 11: I know I did a segment a month ago where

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Speaker 11: everybody was happy because inflation came in at three percent

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Speaker 11: or three point one as a stock market hit at

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Speaker 11: all time high that day. You know, that's insane that

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Speaker 11: one point one percent would make a difference on a

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Speaker 11: quarterly report and your everyday people don't really care about that.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 4: The thing becomes to mind.

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Speaker 11: To me, as silly as it seems, is we're that

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Speaker 11: jingle five dollars foot long subway.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just stopped it.

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Speaker 11: I had to have my old chain, so it was

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Speaker 11: a subway next joy, I stopped to have once a

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Speaker 11: couple of weeks ago, and the cheapest sub on the

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Speaker 11: menu was the Vega sub at ten dollars and twenty cents.

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Speaker 11: So I don't know where that that commercial stopped running,

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Speaker 11: but I know nobody did come as doubled since it

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Speaker 11: stops allowed.

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Speaker 1: Inflation is tricky. Look, we know it was a disaster

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Speaker 1: under Biden. They spent, spent, spent, and it just kept

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Speaker 1: rising rising, rising three percent right now compared to where

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Speaker 1: it was under Biden. Looks pretty good. But inflation is compounded, right,

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's three percent, it's it's three percent

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Speaker 1: over what it was last year, and last year, the

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Speaker 1: year before and the year before that. So it's when

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Speaker 1: when you hear these numbers, all inflation's at three percent, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's better than where it was with Biden, but it's

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Speaker 1: still compounded over what we had the year before.

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Speaker 4: Right, correct, And that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 4: It's Boston translation a lot.

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Speaker 11: You know, yes, lash is under control now, which is great,

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Speaker 11: but we're not rewinding the clock.

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Speaker 5: So those those price reyseets that.

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Speaker 11: Are at all time highs for a lot of industries,

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Speaker 11: they're still there and growing yout three percent instead of

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Speaker 11: a nine or whatever crazy percentage there was under our

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Speaker 11: last administration.

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Speaker 1: So why Okay? So then the basic question is I'm

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Speaker 1: not an economist, but the basic question is that, okay,

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Speaker 1: then why don't these companies bring their prices back down

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Speaker 1: to where they were what inflation was two point nine

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Speaker 1: three percent and not compound it out to where it

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Speaker 1: is right now? Is it because it's corporate greed? Are

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Speaker 1: we talking about corporate greed here?

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Speaker 11: You know, I think I think that you can make

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Speaker 11: an argument for an element of that, But no. I mean,

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Speaker 11: if one company will say, whatever business you're is that

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Speaker 11: you're a furniture manufacturer, and you've decided, hey, I'm going

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Speaker 11: to bring prices back down, well it's almost impossible because

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Speaker 11: you've got to buy wood and fabric and everything to

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Speaker 11: make their furniture. So all those companies would have to

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Speaker 11: bring it down at the same time. You'd have to

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Speaker 11: sort of have a reverse positive collusion, which is very

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Speaker 11: difficult to do. And you know, again, what's that jack

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Speaker 11: kind of out of the box is out, it's hard

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Speaker 11: to put it back in.

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Speaker 1: See something else here. In this report about holiday spending,

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Speaker 1: PayPal found that half of the shoppers planned to use

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Speaker 1: the old buy now, pay later services. In other words,

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Speaker 1: kick the can down the road. Financially, that's just you're

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Speaker 1: you're asking for a tsunami at some point if you

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Speaker 1: buy now and pay later. It's not necessarily the best strategy.

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Speaker 1: What would you do if someone asked you, hey, should

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Speaker 1: I buy something now? And you know I'll worry about

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Speaker 1: paying it off in April, May or June next year.

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Speaker 11: No, you know, there are very few things where I

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Speaker 11: think it makes sense to take a loan at which

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Speaker 11: is essentially what.

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Speaker 5: You're doing here.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you're buying a car, you're buying a home,

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Speaker 4: or buy a college.

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Speaker 5: Education to an extent does make sense.

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Speaker 4: But this is my Christmas present.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense at all.

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Speaker 4: And then you know that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 11: In today's economy. You could have the access to quick

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Speaker 11: money very easily.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 11: When I grew up, I remember we had something similar.

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Speaker 11: It was called leile. You went and got it. If

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Speaker 11: you want the store cup, you paid it off onlee

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Speaker 11: until you can pick it up. So that was actually

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Speaker 11: a better system. He took us out and get what

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Speaker 11: you wanted with a tuble place above online.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, you're right. It is taking it

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Speaker 1: is you know, comparable to taking out a loans just

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Speaker 1: to buy Christmas presents. And nobody wants to, you know,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to be the granch Everybody wants to have

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Speaker 1: a present. So maybe if these numbers are right where

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Speaker 1: you sided the Deloitte survey which said shoppers planned to

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Speaker 1: spend four percent less than last year, and then as

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Speaker 1: you as you as you break it down from an

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Speaker 1: economic standpoint, people making less than fifty twelve percent less

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Speaker 1: over two hundred thousand less than eighteen percent, This is

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Speaker 1: not good news obviously for retail and even places like Amazon,

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Speaker 1: which seems to be all over the place with its

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Speaker 1: trucks and its its orders in this day and age.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like maybe some of these big box stores,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, maybe some of these mom and pop shops

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Speaker 1: are going to take it really hard this Christmas.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I think so, And you know, I

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Speaker 11: think you said it best for different mom of pop

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Speaker 11: shops that I always worry about.

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Speaker 4: There's so few of them less and.

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Speaker 11: You know, they're typically great, they're typically embttered the fabricular communities,

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Speaker 11: and you want those stores to succeed.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if you just think about the term

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Speaker 4: Black Friday. You know, when you really.

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Speaker 11: Think about that, it's insane to think that you've got

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Speaker 11: to wait until the day after Thanksgiving for most retail

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Speaker 11: stores just to break even.

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Speaker 4: So you need very little time to make profit. And

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Speaker 4: when you're in a situation like that.

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Speaker 11: Where people are starting to pull back a little bit,

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Speaker 11: makes it even harder to make that profit in one.

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Speaker 1: Moment, which may explain some commercials we're seeing on television right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these Black Friday sales started I think right

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Speaker 1: before Halloween. I mean, they're trying to they're trying their best,

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Speaker 1: you know, to get our money. But if people don't

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Speaker 1: want to spend their money, maybe some of these Black

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Speaker 1: Friday advertisements are just a waste of money.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, and that's part that I think that

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Speaker 11: is wellme of the twenty four hour recycle. Plus the

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Speaker 11: fact that you could advertise anywhere. I mean a lot

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Speaker 11: of online advertising, social media, so a lot of it's spiller.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, and you know, these storts have to make

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Speaker 11: their money somehow, and so they see the same data

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Speaker 11: that we do, and they have even better data, and

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Speaker 11: they're tracking it in real time with their own departments,

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Speaker 11: so they realize what's going on and they're trying to

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Speaker 11: make sure.

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Speaker 4: That they turn proper for a year. And you know,

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Speaker 4: that's what the risk of retail.

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Speaker 5: It's a difficult business to be in cobus.

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Speaker 1: Right, Ron Glasgow is our guest financial strategist. Let's break

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Speaker 1: it down then, if indeed this happens and people spend less,

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Speaker 1: what does that do for our economy and what does

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Speaker 1: that mean going forward in the early months of January, February, March,

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Speaker 1: where retail spending is not as robust as it is

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Speaker 1: in the final quarter of any year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So, and we can go through times before where we're

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Speaker 11: companies didn't necessarily hit home runs in the post Black

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Speaker 11: Friday sales. But I think you get to nail on

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Speaker 11: the head by saying what happens in Q one. That's

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Speaker 11: really where I think people tuned in, especially economist and

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 11: to look at say what is the state of our economy?

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01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 4: The holidays are over and I your back in normal life.

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 4: Are people spending or are they not?

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Speaker 11: And I don't talking about holiday presents and gifts, but

1504
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 11: on every day things are people starting to pull back?

1505
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 11: And you know, once you get at Q one, of

1506
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 11: people across the border starting to pull back.

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01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 4: It becomes a master problem of the economy.

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01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 11: You know, America's business is business, and so when business

1509
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 11: starts to slow, it hurts a virtually every segment of

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01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 11: the population.

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: All right, Ron, let's pretend you're a Jerome Pal just

1512
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: for this one moment. We'll call you Jerome Pal with brains,

1513
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: because I don't really have a lot of faith in.

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 5: That, dude.

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01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: But Ron glasshow is going to Washington, d C. That

1516
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: he is going to forecast the health of our economy

1517
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: for the first half year of twenty twenty six in

1518
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: the office of the President of the United States. What

1519
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: are you telling Donald Trump?

1520
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, boy, I'm probably for a first thing.

1521
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 11: But you know, I think I think this a pal

1522
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 11: has actually done an okay job of the gore in

1523
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 11: the headlines, doing what he thinks is best. And remember

1524
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 11: he's just one man. It's the it's the board of governors.

1525
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 11: They don't have a vote. I say, he would have

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 11: to say that things are starting are slowing. They reverse,

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01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 11: President Trump would say, will lower interest rates?

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 5: Coming right?

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01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 11: As that sort of creates some other issues when you

1530
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 11: do that too rapidly. So there is a fine balancing

1531
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 11: act there. But I see the economy starting to slow

1532
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 11: and it's just kind of a feeling you have, or

1533
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 11: you're out in your own community, people that aren't spending

1534
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 11: as bus and they're not nearly as optimistic as they

1535
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 11: used to be. University missing and just put out a

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01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 11: consumer competence study as said, the super confidence right now

1537
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 11: as low ofan it's been in the last five years.

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01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 4: So you know, those.

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01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 11: Things individually, they're not that telling. But when you start

1540
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 11: to pull the data police together, they're all play the

1541
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 11: same directly.

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01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 4: It makes a lot of sense.

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01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope for the best, embrace for the worst.

1544
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: Ron Glasgow you can find him at Glasgow Investments dot com.

1545
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: He is a financial strategist and we salute him again

1546
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: for his time in the service with the United States

1547
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: Marine Marines. Ron, thank you so much. Stay well, have

1548
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: a happy holiday season, and hopefully we can visit down

1549
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: the road.

1550
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate you having me,

1551
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 5: you bet, you bet.

1552
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: I like people that make sense over what is happening

1553
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: in this country, be it financially, militarily, politically, or from

1554
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: a sports standpoint. Speaking of sports, there's a rather large

1555
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: game tomorrow in ann Arbor, Michigan. And even if even

1556
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: at Ohio State in the National Football Title again this season,

1557
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: if they don't beat Michigan, Ryan Day will feel the

1558
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: heat and the wrath of the boys downtown from Columbus. Yes,

1559
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: the game is tomorrow. That and a little bit on

1560
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: UC and TCU is next. Ken Brew for Scott Sloan

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01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred w l W ken brewper Scott's

1562
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: flowed on this Black Friday. As retail tries to make

1563
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: up for what has been kind of a sluggish year.

1564
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: If you're out there shopping, you remember, it's not a battle,

1565
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: it's not a war. It's just clothing, just clothing. We

1566
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: have college football to deal with all weekend long. You've

1567
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: got Indiana trying to keep its unbeaten season alive at

1568
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: Purdue tonight. Purdue is two to nine. Indiana is eleven

1569
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: and zero. That's a seven thirty kick today in West Lafayette.

1570
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: And of course, if he had a whole serve in

1571
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: that game, it will probably continue to be the number

1572
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: two team in the country. As we continue the countdown

1573
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: to the college football playoff noon tomorrow at Louisville, UK

1574
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: tries to get Bowl eligible again, there are five and six.

1575
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: You need six wins to become Bowl eligible. And that's

1576
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: what UK is working toward tomorrow in that noonkick at

1577
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: Louisville and then of course tomorrow afternoon three point thirty

1578
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 1: right here on seven hundred WLW at Cincinnati the Bearcats

1579
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: at TCU. At TCU, the Bearcats are seven and four,

1580
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: looking for that eighth win. You get that extra win,

1581
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe you get a better bowl game. TCU is no slouch,

1582
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: the fresh off and upset win at Houston last week,

1583
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: and they've got a terrific quarterback, a guy by the

1584
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: name of Josh Hoover. Might remember Hoover from that game

1585
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: last year against UC. Anyway, he's completing sixty five percent

1586
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: of his passes this year, twenty five touchdowns, thirteen interceptions.

1587
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: He has thrown for over thirty one hundred yards. And

1588
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell Scott Centerfield all about Josh Hoover.

1589
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a talented quarterback.

1590
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 14: I mean he is a true passer, like you know,

1591
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 14: you go watch him, and I mean last year, I

1592
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 14: think he broke the school record at TCU and he's

1593
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 14: had another fine season this year. He can make all

1594
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 14: the throws, deep throws, you know, your your deep out

1595
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 14: routes to the field. He puts pressure on you because

1596
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 14: of that. I think he's very competitive, you know. I

1597
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 14: think he's just an now he's an outstanding quarterback and

1598
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 14: has been, you know, ever since he's been playing. So

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01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 14: you know, last year, you know did it. We did

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01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 14: a pretty good job of containing him. I think maybe

1601
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 14: the second half had something to do with it, because

1602
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 14: like a snow globe when you watch the film, it's

1603
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 14: snow everywhere. Probably had a little something to do with that.

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01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 14: But you know, he's an outstanding quarterback. You know, he's

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01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 14: he's another one in this league that you know, we

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01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 14: knew was gonna be good and he's gonna be hard

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01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 14: to contain.

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Speaker 1: And then of course to borrow. At noon, it's the game.

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01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: Ohio State takes the short plane ride up to Ann

1610
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: Arbor and takes on Michigan, which has been a thorn

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01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: in the side of course of Ryan Day recently. Day

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01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: loss last year at Columbus flipped it around one the

1613
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: College Football National Championship. But in Columbus, if you're a

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01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: head football coach at Ohio State, you have got to

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01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 1: beat Michigan and I don't think this year is any different.

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01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: Even though Ohio State is the clear number one team

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01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: in this country. You don't beat Michigan, You're in for

1618
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: a long ride unless you can pull off with Dave

1619
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: pulled off last year. Knowing all of that, we turn

1620
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: to someone who is charged with covering Ohio State for

1621
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: what I think is the best website to cover the Buckeyes,

1622
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: and that is eleven Warriors dot Com. And it's our

1623
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: good buddy Dan Hope, who's here to weigh in on

1624
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: the game tomorrow high noon. Michigan and Dan Hope, how

1625
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: are you on this glorious Friday.

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01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Can How are you?

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01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm reasonably well, looking forward to, uh to what may

1628
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: go down here in ann Arbor.

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01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 11: Uh.

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01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: I'm just here's here's my question for you. Ohio State

1631
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: is the best team in the country. I don't think

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01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: there's any argument about that. I I would even say

1633
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Indiana would have to say that at this point. But nevertheless,

1634
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: in my opinion, they're the best team in the country.

1635
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: When the best team of the country is faced with

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01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:25,799
Speaker 1: a rivalry game and both teams are relatively close, although

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01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: Michigan's not quite as dominating, this year as they have

1638
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: it in years past, These these these rivalry games can

1639
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: go off the rails quickly. What's the theme been up

1640
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: there in Columbus around this team, knowing full well that

1641
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: the players don't have to be told the importance of

1642
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: the game, but knowing full well that these rivalry games

1643
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: can go off the rails quickly. What do you think

1644
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: the message has been.

1645
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 15: I mean, we certainly thought last year when a last

1646
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 15: State was heavily favored to win that game and didn't

1647
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 15: win the game, that you know, this this game is

1648
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 15: different than any other. You know, on paper, Ohio State

1649
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 15: should win the game, but that doesn't mean that Ohio

1650
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 15: State will win the game unless.

1651
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,799
Speaker 5: It goes and plays its best football.

1652
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 15: And so I think, you know, the message to a

1653
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 15: team has certainly been, you know, needing to be at

1654
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 15: their best this week, you know, understanding the challenge that

1655
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 15: is in front of them. But at the same time,

1656
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 15: Brian Day and his players have also talked a lot

1657
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 15: this week about keeping the routine the routine, about not

1658
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,480
Speaker 15: trying to.

1659
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 5: Change the way they do things.

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01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,799
Speaker 15: I mean even as simple as just you know, keeping

1661
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 15: their practice schedule the same, even though it's Thanksgiving. Things

1662
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 15: like that. They've really tried to just keep the routines

1663
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 15: or the team this week because I think one of

1664
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 15: the things that's hurt this team in recent years is

1665
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 15: almost making too much of the game. And everybody understands

1666
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 15: how big a deal it is.

1667
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 5: This game is extremely important.

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 15: For Ohio State and they desperately want to win it,

1669
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 15: but they also don't want to change the way they

1670
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 15: do things, get away from the things that has made

1671
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 15: them the best team in the country but have allowed

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01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 15: them to dominate their competition all year long. So I think,

1673
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 15: you know, that's really been kind of the driving thing

1674
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 15: for Ohio State this week that it's gone through its

1675
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 15: preparation is Hey, you know, we know we have to

1676
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 15: be at our best this week. We know there's more

1677
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 15: on the line this week, but let's not change what

1678
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 15: we do. Let's let's keep doing the things that have

1679
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 15: enabled us to have success all year and if we

1680
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 15: do that, we're going to have a chance.

1681
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So we know this about Michigan. Michigan can run

1682
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 1: the football. They can run it. Jordan Marshall, Justice Haines.

1683
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: They combined for over sixteen hundred yards. Now Haines is

1684
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 1: doubtful for this game, we'll see whether or not he

1685
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: answers the bell. But I'm just looking at some of

1686
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: these numbers that have been put up, and again you

1687
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 1: have to understand the teams they're playing. I mean, you've

1688
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: got Marshall. He has put up a buck thirty three

1689
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 1: against Washington. He put up a buck eighty five against

1690
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Purdue one hundred and forty two yards again Northwestern. My

1691
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: guess is Michigan is going to try and run at

1692
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: the early part of this game. And if they do

1693
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: and get Ohio State on its heels and get it

1694
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: off kilter a little bit on those early downs, it's

1695
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: got a chance. If it doesn't, I think this thing

1696
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 1: could implode on on Michigan. But stopping that run, certainly

1697
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: with Marshall, and whether or not Haynes is there or not,

1698
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: that's job one for Ohio State.

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01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 3: Is it not?

1700
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 15: Because I mean I think if you look at these

1702
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 15: teams you compare them, the one area where I think

1703
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 15: you could say Michigan has the advantage is its running

1704
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 15: offense versus Ohio States rushing offense. You know, Ohio State certainly,

1705
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 15: particularly if you assume that Jeremiah Smith and Carnel State

1706
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 15: will be back this week, which seems to be the

1707
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 15: way things are trending. Ohio State has a better passing offense,

1708
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 15: it has a better defense, it's been the best defense

1709
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 15: in the country. But Michigan is better at running the

1710
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 15: ball than Ohio State is. And you go back again

1711
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 15: to the last year. I mean, it was the same story.

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01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 4: Last year.

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01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 15: Ohio State had the best defense in the country. Michigan

1714
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 15: had one of the worst passing offenses in the country,

1715
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 15: but Ohio State allowed Michigan to turn it into a

1716
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 15: battle of running games and that ultimately led to Michigan

1717
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 15: winning in the end. So if you're Ohio State, you

1718
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 15: can't let that happen. Like said, you've got to stop

1719
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 15: the run. But if you're Ohio State, you also have

1720
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 15: to play to your strengths. You have to remember you

1721
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 15: have a Heisman Trophy candidate at quarterback, You've got two

1722
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 15: of the best wide receivers in the country. If Michigan

1723
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 15: is probably going to try to bait them into running

1724
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 15: the ball again just like they did last year by

1725
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 15: dropping guys into coverage. But if you're Ohio State, you

1726
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 15: need to dictate the game. You need to go into

1727
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 15: this game saying we are of a better team. We

1728
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 15: are going to play our game. You can't allow Michigan

1729
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 15: to say we're not going to let you fro to

1730
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 15: four or seventeen and run the ball up the middle

1731
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 15: against us. If you're Ohio State, you've got to say

1732
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 15: we have the best players on the field and we

1733
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 15: are going to find way for them to make plays.

1734
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, we all know what happened last year.

1735
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: There was a veteran quarterback there last year. Julians saying

1736
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: is a veteran of this season and has progressed well

1737
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: through this season. But what about that because a lot

1738
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: of that's going to fall on him too. I know

1739
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't call the plays, but he's got to be

1740
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: able to have something if indeed that's what Michigan plays

1741
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: defensively this year. So what about him and his role?

1742
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I think you know Julian obviously, this

1743
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,839
Speaker 15: is his first time playing in the game, this rivalry,

1744
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 15: so you never know how a guy is going to

1745
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 15: perform in that stage when he hasn't done it before.

1746
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 15: It's also probably going to be the worst lever he's

1747
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 15: played at Zilvarvis Here. It's been lucky to have a

1748
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 15: lot of nice weather for its games this year. This

1749
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 15: game is going to be cold, maybe a little bit

1750
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 15: of snow. He's a guy from southern California, so how

1751
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 15: is he going to respond to all that? Those are

1752
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 15: all questions At the same time. I don't go into

1753
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 15: this game really looking at Julian Saying as a you know,

1754
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 15: young puff who hasn't been tested, because you just look

1755
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 15: at what he's done all year long. I mean, he's

1756
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 15: played like a veteran all year long. He leads the

1757
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 15: entire country in completion percentage. He's shown great composure, composer,

1758
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 15: and poise throughout the season, and so I don't feel

1759
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 15: like the stage is going to be too big for Julian, saying,

1760
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 15: I think the way that he's handled everything, starting with

1761
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 15: that first game of the year against Texas and his

1762
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 15: first start as a Buck Guy, suggests to me that

1763
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:38,480
Speaker 15: you know, he will be ready to can't handle the stage.

1764
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 15: I think it's more a matter of just the the

1765
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 15: entire passing offense. You know, we saw it the last

1766
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 15: couple of weeks with Jeremiah and Carnell Valley injuries. The

1767
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 15: passing offense did not look the same, and so will

1768
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 15: those guys be healthy, Will they be their usual cells,

1769
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 15: Will Julian saying get into a rhythm with that? And

1770
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 15: then you know, of course, you ever big factor is

1771
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 15: you know how a pass protection be. I mean, this

1772
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 15: is one of the best defensive fronts Ohio State staced

1773
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 15: all year. The offensive line has had its ups and

1774
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 15: downs this year. So will they give Julians say, in

1775
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 15: consistent time to throw? Will they keep pressure often to

1776
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 15: allow Ohio State to make those big plays down the field.

1777
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 15: I think all of those things are what have to

1778
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 15: come together for Ohio State to be able to do

1779
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 15: what it should be able to do in this game,

1780
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 15: which is the even more explosive offense.

1781
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and flip it to when Michigan has the ball.

1782
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: We talked about it early about their ability to run.

1783
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen every Michigan game this year. You know,

1784
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: we're kind of we have our own teams down in

1785
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: this area of the state. That what That's what consumes

1786
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: me most. But I've seen enough to know that's not

1787
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: a good come from behind team. I saw their game

1788
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma, I saw their game against Southern cal They

1789
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't get to drop on those teams no points in

1790
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: the first quarter, I think seven points combined in those

1791
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: two games with Southern cal and with with Oklahoma. So

1792
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:07,560
Speaker 1: you get you got to get the you got to

1793
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: get the jump on on Michigan because I think Michigan,

1794
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: if it's playing with the lead, is a far different

1795
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: team than Michigan trying to come out of a hole.

1796
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 1: So I think that's probably a key as anything is

1797
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: play that first quarter, get some points, and then let's

1798
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 1: see if Michigan can run the ball as well as

1799
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 1: they have. Would you think that's a pretty good script.

1800
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 15: Yeah, I agree with you completely because I mean, again,

1801
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 15: I mean not to keep bringing up last year, but

1802
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 15: you think about what happened a year ago.

1803
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 5: That was kind of what happened.

1804
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 15: Ohio State started off slow, Michigan dragged Ohio State into

1805
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 15: a dogfight, and the Buck guys were never able to respond.

1806
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 15: I think, you know, you go to this game, especially

1807
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 15: being on the road, especially with a lever forecast that's

1808
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 15: showing a higher chance of snow later in the game

1809
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 15: than there is early in the game. I think, if

1810
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 15: Ohio State can start fast and build a lead, I'm

1811
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 15: very confident in Ohio State's defensive ability to hold that lead.

1812
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,879
Speaker 15: I think if Michigan can take an early lead, Ohio

1813
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 15: State struggles out of the gate and they're in a

1814
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 15: tight game late. I'm maybe not as confident in how

1815
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 15: will Ohio State respond to what would be really its

1816
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 15: first real adversity of the season, especially playing on the

1817
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 15: road in bad lever and so I do think that

1818
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 15: you know from Ohio for both teams perspective, I think

1819
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 15: starting fast is going to be huge, and I think

1820
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 15: I think if Ohio State can start fast, I'll feel

1821
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,879
Speaker 15: really good about its chances. But I think if Michigan

1822
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 15: can keep the game tight going into the fourth quarter,

1823
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 15: as anybody's ball game, Dan.

1824
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Hope Elevinwarriors dot Com, it's the destination for all things

1825
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State athletics, but particularly football. How big a game

1826
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: is this for Ryan Dade? I mean, we know what

1827
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: happened last year, he lost the game and then comes

1828
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: back and wins the National Championship. I get the sense

1829
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: that this guy lives year to year on the Michigan game,

1830
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens in the playoff. But how big

1831
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: a game is it for him?

1832
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 15: It's a huge game for him because this is really

1833
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 15: the one the lemish on his record, right now, I

1834
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 15: mean if he if he wins this game, you know,

1835
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 15: what's anybody going to say about now He's he's won

1836
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 15: a national championship. I mean he has you know, if

1837
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 15: you if you take you know, a qualifying number of

1838
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 15: games out of it, the best winning percentage in college

1839
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 15: football history. I mean, really will only knock on him

1840
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 15: right now is that he hasn't been able to beat Michigan.

1841
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 15: So I think this is a huge game for him,

1842
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 15: particularly in terms of, you know, just his reputation as

1843
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 15: a coach. I think it's huge for him, you know,

1844
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 15: psychologically to get that monkey off his back. Now, you know,

1845
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,679
Speaker 15: with that being said, you know, we should we should

1846
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 15: qualify it as like you know, Ryan is not going

1847
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 15: to be him a hot seat if Ohio State lose

1848
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 15: this game, it's a different conversation than it was a

1849
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 15: year ago because he's won a national championship and no

1850
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 15: matter what happens in this game, a lot.

1851
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 5: Of it's going to be in a college football playoffs.

1852
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 15: So you know, I think know anybody who might go

1853
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 15: to the draftic lengths of like fire Ryan da if

1854
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 15: Ohio State loses this game, We're not gonna.

1855
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 5: We're not gonna We're not gonna We're not going to

1856
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 5: go there. That's not going to happen.

1857
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,680
Speaker 15: But you know, it's one of those things where it's like,

1858
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,799
Speaker 15: you know, you want to play that dragon because until

1859
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 15: Ryan Day beats Michigan, the one thing that is going

1860
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,719
Speaker 15: to hang over him is this guy can't beat Michigan.

1861
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 15: So I think this is a huge game for him,

1862
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 15: and I think that, you know, if he can win

1863
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 15: this game, I think he will firmly establish himself among

1864
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 15: college football's elite coaches, because really the only thing that's

1865
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 15: really holding him back from that has been his record

1866
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 15: against Michigan.

1867
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 1: Dan Hope Elevinwarriors dot Com, all right, Dan, enjoy covering

1868
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: the game, and I know we'll be talking down the road.

1869
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 5: Stay well, sounds good, Thanks Ken.

1870
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 1: You bet. That is noon tomorrow in ann Arbor, uh

1871
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: Also tomorrow at noon ball State at Miami. The RedHawks

1872
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: are six and five, looking to finish seven and five

1873
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: on the regular season. They are, of course Bowl eligible,

1874
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: and today at noon up in windy Buffalo, the Ohio

1875
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: Bobcats look to go eight and four. They take on

1876
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,799
Speaker 1: the Buffalo today at high noon. There's your college football

1877
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: big weekend of that Bengals off. We can concentrate on

1878
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: all of that and everything else that goes down back

1879
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Speaker 1: in here tomorrow morning, actually at high noon to carry

1880
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Speaker 1: you through the early part of the afternoon tomorrow on Saturday.

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