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Speaker 1: With the KWA comments for a health highline and bring

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Speaker 1: on Jake Plummer joining us, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards and

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Speaker 1: Rick Lewis my friend.

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Speaker 2: Always good to catch up with you. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? How you guys do it?

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Speaker 4: Sneak is loose like all the time. I think, don't

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Speaker 4: you think, Jacob?

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Speaker 3: As long as I'm not as long as I'm not slop,

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Speaker 4: That's it. That's exactly right. Hey, I want I want

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Speaker 4: to jump right in. You know, the Broncos make a decision. Uh,

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Speaker 4: Champagne is not going to be the primary play caller.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be Davis Webb. And just from your

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Speaker 4: perspective as a quarterback in the league, when maybe a

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Speaker 4: suspect that things will be as they were last year

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Speaker 3: I imagine there'll be as smooth and if if anything,

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Speaker 3: you know, Marsh Trussman in Arizona, rich Olsen get here

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Speaker 3: I mean, the relationship with Bo and and Davis is

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Speaker 3: you know you. There's just an understanding there. So the

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Speaker 3: relationship will be what it is. It's already strong and

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Speaker 3: and I think it's going to be great because he

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Speaker 3: knows Bo better than coach Peyton, because he's been in

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Speaker 2: Jake the Snake ORCS up brother, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good. It's good to hear you.

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Speaker 5: You YEA touched on this, but maybe explain it a

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Speaker 5: little further to football fans, Broncos fans, the relationship of

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Speaker 3: So now it's gonna come from coach Peyton and Web

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Speaker 3: But your quarterback coach answers those simple questions, what's my

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Speaker 1: Bernanda Mendozo is expected to go at the top of

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Speaker 1: the draft of the Raiders. They brought in Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: Cousins start the season. I guess there's a circumstance that

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Speaker 1: Mendoza wins the competition. But what do you in general

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Speaker 1: think about giving young quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks a season to

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Speaker 3: You know, every coach has their own ways. I think

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Speaker 3: You know, for me, it's like you don't buy a

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Speaker 4: Ryan has taking a victory lap. Yes, I think, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, incorrectly. Oh no, here's here's what I had

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Speaker 4: said earlier. Ryan advocated starting Fernando Mendoza no matter what.

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Speaker 4: Ryan's advocating because these picks.

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Speaker 3: I think that that's a good situation happened in there,

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Speaker 3: well just because of Coobs. I meant was a little

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Speaker 1: No doubt, brilliantly said I love your breakdown there says

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Speaker 2: So I always appreciate that. I didn't know. I didn't

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Speaker 1: But uh, I do appreciate the expertise of Jakes Lumber.

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Speaker 3: I validated you then.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen too often on the show.

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Speaker 3: And hey, but I might not be right. So you

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Speaker 3: you know you can't refute that because I you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man.

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Speaker 2: I have a fantastic weekend. Look forward to checking with

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Speaker 2: you down road.

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Speaker 3: Hey, right on, you guys have a good one to

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Speaker 3: take care of.

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Speaker 2: Jake, We'll see you. Thank you, Jake, Jake Plumber, I

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Speaker 2: love you.

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Speaker 3: He's so good.