Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American idio.
Speaker 2: There's Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Slowne today,
Speaker 2: be in for Willie tomorrow. On today being Thanksgiving Eve,
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody's thinking about either getting out of town
Speaker 2: for a little bit or just hanging around the house
Speaker 2: with friends, stuffing yourself. That will be my choice this year.
Speaker 2: It's a good holiday. I like it. It comes on
Speaker 2: a Thursday, and almost everybody takes Friday off, but not me,
Speaker 2: not this year at any rate. A lot going on
Speaker 2: with respect to Thanksgiving. But the one thing that I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk a little bit about this morning is
Speaker 2: according to the President, Thanksgiving is going to be a
Speaker 2: lot cheaper this year. This again is from the White House,
Speaker 2: so you know, I mean, I think there's stuff accurate,
Speaker 2: but maybe puffing it up a little bit. Retailers offering
Speaker 2: their cheapest Thanksgiving meals in years. Walmart's Thanksgiving meal cost
Speaker 2: twenty five percent less than it last year, with its
Speaker 2: lowest turkey price since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: The meal feeds ten people, which works out to just
Speaker 1: under four bucks a person.
Speaker 2: Now, I've never priced anything like that, but that surprises
Speaker 2: me that I thought it would be much even of
Speaker 2: inflation aside, much more than that. But this thing from
Speaker 2: Walmart's the meal feeds ten people, which works out to
Speaker 2: just under four bucks per person. Leady l I d
Speaker 2: Ella little. I guess that's a grocery chain obviously. Not here,
Speaker 2: their Thanksgiving meal costs ten dollars less than last year.
Speaker 2: In all these their meal costs seven dollars less than
Speaker 2: last year. Lowest priced since twenty nineteen, Target, or Tarja
Speaker 2: as we call it on the West Side.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: It's lowest price ever. As well, it looks like it's
Speaker 2: the lowest price for turkey in over fifteen years, at
Speaker 2: least according to the White House. So I mean some
Speaker 2: good news there. And I'll tell you don't need a
Speaker 2: newspaper or a news story to know stuff is expensive, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, things are getting cheaper, but it's really really expensive.
Speaker 2: I mean there's some times when I go to buy stuff,
Speaker 2: I can't believe how much it is. But under President Trump,
Speaker 2: it's trending down somewhat. So I guess that's a good
Speaker 2: news in that. Let's see, Yeah, the Thanksgiving me twenty
Speaker 2: five percent less than last year. Again, I'd love to
Speaker 2: know what's in that box. You know what I've done
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I haven't done it in about
Speaker 2: three or four years, is fry my turkey. Went out
Speaker 2: and got one of those that looks like a small
Speaker 2: garbage can thing. You fill it up with vegetable oil.
Speaker 2: You've got to be really careful and you got to
Speaker 2: watch it put it in there. My recollection is, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's about forty to fifty minutes or something
Speaker 2: like that. If you do it right, which I was
Speaker 2: fortunate enough to do when I used to do it,
Speaker 2: it is unbelievable and I want to do it again someday. Anyway,
Speaker 2: if you've had an experience with that, I'd like to
Speaker 2: hear from you. Seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 2: the big one are the numbers going to have open
Speaker 2: lines from nine thirty to ten. So if you want
Speaker 2: to weigh in on Thanksgiving or anything else for that matter,
Speaker 2: you can do it. Then some interesting and I know
Speaker 2: everybody does this, but I don't know. I think people
Speaker 2: enjoy it. Some interesting facts about Thanksgiving and sing in
Speaker 2: a little bit the Native American view of it. It's
Speaker 2: a national holiday and this is from AI. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what.
Speaker 1: I use AI a lot. I've found it to be accurate.
Speaker 2: They always give both sides of the coin, which you
Speaker 2: can't ask for more than that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, according to.
Speaker 2: AI, Thanksgiving is a national holiday that some Native Americans
Speaker 2: view as a national day of mourning because of its
Speaker 2: origins and the historical oppression of Indigenous peoples, while Indigenous
Speaker 2: People's Day is a holiday that specifically celebrates Native American
Speaker 2: and other indigenous cultures and histories. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: have any problem with an Indigenous People Day. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, I think we probably ought to have one,
Speaker 2: but I think we ought to separate it from Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is what it is and what it's been for
Speaker 2: I think goes back to eighteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: I mean, but.
Speaker 2: I got to be care for what I say here,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say it. If ever there was a
Speaker 2: group of people in this country that were screwed, it's
Speaker 2: Native Americans. I mean, there's just no way around it.
Speaker 2: And you know, through the years, I believe there's been
Speaker 2: reparations to them and government support for a lot of things.
Speaker 2: But what an incredibly proud people. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I think they've done this before, likeness
Speaker 2: on a coin or something like that. But again I
Speaker 2: say keep just keep it separate. Anyway, Thanksgiving with free
Speaker 2: from the perspective of the Native American some of them,
Speaker 2: not all, not all. I did my homework on this
Speaker 2: referred to it as a national day of mourning. For
Speaker 2: many Indigenous people, Thanksgiving is a day to commemorate, let's
Speaker 2: see the genocide, displacement, and cultural erasure of their ancestors.
Speaker 2: This is why some refer to it as the national
Speaker 2: Day of Morning or un Thanksgiving, and they hold protests
Speaker 2: and ceremonies. Well, I tell you something, AI, I've never
Speaker 2: seen that. I've never seen a protest, and I watched
Speaker 2: stuff pretty carefully from Native American people or anybody else
Speaker 2: with respect to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just not there. It's just not
Speaker 1: there anyway.
Speaker 2: Traditional narrative, I mean, the one that we have been
Speaker 2: dealing with and believing for as long as I've been alive,
Speaker 2: and well before that mainstream Thanksgiving story portrays a harmonious
Speaker 2: harvest feast in sixteen twenty one shared by English pilgrims.
Speaker 1: And the wamp I want to get this right.
Speaker 2: Wamp A no ogg try tribe. Here's the story, because
Speaker 2: I've read a lot about this just in the last
Speaker 2: couple of days. Apparently the and I just hope I
Speaker 2: get this right. The Wampanoa tribe heard they heard some
Speaker 2: gunshots coming from a settlement where some of the settlers were.
Speaker 2: And believe it or not, this Indian tribe or Native
Speaker 2: American tribe whatever had an agreement, a mutual defense agreement
Speaker 2: with the settlers, and so they rode in in defense
Speaker 2: of the settlers. Well, anyway, whatever happened happened, and that's
Speaker 2: when Thanksgiving feast happened. So I don't know, it's just again,
Speaker 2: I don't think we should screw with Thanksgiving being when
Speaker 2: it is. But I have no problem with recognizing Native
Speaker 2: Americans in this country. Now, I've done a lot of
Speaker 2: research on this, and I did try to find a poll,
Speaker 2: and I found one, but it was really old, a
Speaker 2: poll that talks about whether American Indians prefer being called
Speaker 2: American Indians or Indigenous people. It was about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: But you know, with respect to the you know, like
Speaker 2: football teams and monuments and things like that, the numbers
Speaker 2: are pretty overwhelming. Where Native American people could care less,
Speaker 2: and some of them actually support it as a tribute,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I think that's maybe how people
Speaker 2: should look at it. Well, let's do this. Let's take
Speaker 2: a short break. If you want to call, seven four nine,
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Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Sloaney today and I'll be in
Speaker 2: for Willly noon to three tomorrow. Yeah, I just mentioned
Speaker 2: the Bengals game Thursday, Thursday at It's a night game
Speaker 2: eight on NBC. Bengals Ravens. Here's the thing, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to get to the calls here in just a second.
Speaker 2: Maybe some of you had helped me with this too.
Speaker 2: Seven four nine, seven eight hundred, The big one are
Speaker 2: the numbers. Okay, Joe Burrow apparently is going to start.
Speaker 2: He wants to start. I guess he's chomping at the
Speaker 2: bit from what I've heard and what I've read. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I guess my thinking is
Speaker 2: this the season's gone. I mean, come on, there's no
Speaker 2: way they're going to get into the playoffs. They're just
Speaker 2: not going to do it. You know, a Joe Flacco
Speaker 2: has done one hell of a job. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just no way around that. I guess, why risk it?
Speaker 2: Why risk it? I mean, you know, the Bengals for
Speaker 2: better or worse, and I don't think it was for
Speaker 2: the better. Pretty much. The team is Joe Burrow and
Speaker 2: some receivers and that's it. They need to focus on
Speaker 2: the defense. But I don't know i'd be interested in
Speaker 2: what you think about that. I love watching Joe Burrow play,
Speaker 2: but I also like watching Flacco play as well. So
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. But on the way in this
Speaker 2: morning the news reports, words sounded that pretty definite. Okay,
Speaker 2: as promised, let's go to the calls. Randy, Hello, Randy,
Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.
Speaker 3: How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm good?
Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving me, Happy Thanksgiving to you. Also, I just
Speaker 3: wanted to comments that you had the reason that Walmart
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving dinners or lowers because it's a lost leader, right,
Speaker 3: we believe all this scrap coming out of the White
Speaker 3: House instead of believe the companies that measure statistics and
Speaker 3: do this on a full time Pagen start out.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Randy, are you out in the wind there? Oh?
Speaker 1: There you are?
Speaker 2: Yeh, I am Could you just repeat your last sentence.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't think people got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just saying that the reason that the
Speaker 3: prices are cheap at Walmart because it's a lost leader right.
Speaker 1: To get people into the store.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I think we should say that the White
Speaker 3: House is coming up with something that is really meaningful
Speaker 3: and it's correct. Well, let me ask like everything else
Speaker 3: that's comes out of the lighthouse.
Speaker 1: Right, well, well, let me ask you something.
Speaker 2: If the situation were different, uh, and things were up,
Speaker 2: of course, like they were under Joe Biden. I mean,
Speaker 2: would you be saying, you know that, Hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: you know it's not that bad and ain't Biden's fault.
Speaker 2: I do understand what you're saying. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of puffery in this stuff, and I take that into consideration.
Speaker 2: But what the hell? I mean, what's inflation at three
Speaker 2: and a half percent? It got all the way up
Speaker 2: to I think nine under Biden? And you know what
Speaker 2: the thing of it is from. And I don't know
Speaker 2: much about economics at all, but I think what I
Speaker 2: do know is the president doesn't have a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot to do with it. And if the economy
Speaker 2: is good, the president reaps the benefits. If it's bad,
Speaker 2: the president takes the hits. I don't know, what do
Speaker 2: you think about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. I think the
Speaker 3: reason that inflation was so high in the Biden was
Speaker 3: because of COVID. People blamed Biden for inflation, but every
Speaker 3: industrialized evopnation in the world was having record inflation, but
Speaker 3: yet we blamed Biden for it. Well, but UK was
Speaker 3: having inflation, China, everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they had it as bad as us.
Speaker 2: But you're right, Well, if you want to point the
Speaker 2: finger of Biden, you're right. I mean, he puts so
Speaker 2: much money. He just pumped so much money into the economy. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the COVID packages and things like that. And
Speaker 2: you know, I support people. I mean, I'm a problem
Speaker 2: at all with him helping out, but all that dough
Speaker 2: into the system is one of the things that many
Speaker 2: people say caused it. But at any rate, I sure
Speaker 2: hope the damn things going down now. You do have
Speaker 2: to admit gas prices are down substantially.
Speaker 3: Well, That's another thing when you say that, you know,
Speaker 3: we blame the president for the economic situation when they're
Speaker 3: not responsible for it. It's the same thing with gas prices.
Speaker 3: You know, we had the highest gas prices. People think
Speaker 3: we had the highest gas prices under Biden. And if
Speaker 3: you applied just a two percent inflation rate to what
Speaker 3: we had in two thousand and eight under George Bush,
Speaker 3: the average gas price would have been like five dollars
Speaker 3: a gallon. And when people blamed George Bush in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight for the high gas prices, all he
Speaker 3: did is he shrugged his shoulders and just I don't
Speaker 3: control the gas prices. And that was the end of it.
Speaker 3: You know, under Biden we got this whole thing about
Speaker 3: gas prices. And another reason gas prices spiked so much
Speaker 3: under Biden.
Speaker 2: It's just because reality that the president takes the blame
Speaker 2: or gets the credit.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 4: Serious, seriously, Okay, than thank.
Speaker 2: You very much. You know, I like it when people
Speaker 2: call and disagree with me. I don't get a lot
Speaker 2: of that on Saturdays, but I try. Let's talk to
Speaker 2: Rob in Lebanon. Hey, good morning, Rob.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: Good to talk to you.
Speaker 1: We doo.
Speaker 5: In the early eighties, I attended Colorado State and on
Speaker 5: a work study program. So part of the deal was
Speaker 5: I had to do work study jobs during the summers,
Speaker 5: and they were on Indian reservations in eastern Colorado, and
Speaker 5: the land the reservations were on were rocky, difficult to
Speaker 5: grow crops. They were the most respectful people I'd ever met.
Speaker 5: They needed help to get groceries, they needed help to
Speaker 5: clear fields, while there were thousands of acres around the
Speaker 5: reservations that were are very easy to grow crops on.
Speaker 5: So I respect them, and I feel like our country
Speaker 5: could have treated them a lot better than we did.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more, you know, And they do.
Speaker 2: They have the casinos now, but that's not the be
Speaker 2: all to end all. I do think they get a stipend.
Speaker 2: Do you know what tribe you were just talking about?
Speaker 2: If you don't, no problem. I was just curious.
Speaker 4: There were three different ones.
Speaker 5: One was Cherokee, and to be honest, I forget the
Speaker 5: other two. But they living conditions they lived under were
Speaker 5: not good, but they did the best they could and
Speaker 5: they weren't negative about it.
Speaker 1: But anyways, they are very, very proud people.
Speaker 4: They are.
Speaker 5: And anyways, I give them all the respect in the world.
Speaker 5: They had a tough road.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, I'm with you. I'm with you, Rob. The
Speaker 2: only problem is I'm bumping up against the news. Thank
Speaker 2: you for the call, though, appreciate it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I do think we should do everything within our power
Speaker 2: to help the Native Americans, Indians whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call them. But it's got to be within reason.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, seeing poverty and things like that, and I've
Speaker 2: never been on an Indian reservation. We need to take
Speaker 2: care of those people, but not make them wards of
Speaker 2: the government. Hey, we got to take a break. Butt
Speaker 2: when we get back your calls again. Seven four nine,
Speaker 2: seven thousand, one, eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.
Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for SLOWE seven hundred WL.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Pretty funky there, Dave. Bet your back there in the
Speaker 1: control room stepping out for that good stuff. Anyway, nine p.
Speaker 2: Thirty seven we are back, got open lines seven four nine,
Speaker 2: seven thousand, one eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.
Speaker 2: The first caller I believe that we took didn't seem
Speaker 2: to want to give Trump credit for falling gas prices.
Speaker 2: And you know, if anything, I think he deserves credit
Speaker 2: for that. I really do. I mean, you think about
Speaker 2: what he did with respect to drill baby drill, fracking,
Speaker 2: building new or facilitating the building of new facilities.
Speaker 1: So he opened it up.
Speaker 2: I mean, the idiotic controls regulations that Joe Biden had
Speaker 2: on the fuel industry, that's what killed it. So we
Speaker 2: got to give him credit for that. You know, it's
Speaker 2: still a deal no matter what. And Bill Clinton was
Speaker 2: elected because of this. If the economy sucks, President's going
Speaker 2: to get some grief about it. If it's great, the
Speaker 2: President is going to be touting it all over the place,
Speaker 2: thinking about and talking about touting things. I'm want to
Speaker 2: preface this with this is from the White House. Put
Speaker 2: out a press release What's the data of this thing?
Speaker 2: November twenty fourth. It is titled more relief on the
Speaker 2: way as economic wins bring savings to gas pump Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: tables and what Trump does sometimes on these things, it's
Speaker 2: a minimum of him or the administration making the point
Speaker 2: that he wants to make. He leaves it to local
Speaker 2: media to do that for him because he doesn't believe
Speaker 2: he gets a fair shake from the mainstream media. That
Speaker 2: would be the understatement of the decade. They hate him,
Speaker 2: They screw him at every turn. So you know, mister President,
Speaker 2: do what you gotta do. Just a few of them
Speaker 2: here kind of addresses the gas price then too, we
Speaker 2: were talking about.
Speaker 1: This is from.
Speaker 2: KDVRTV and Denver headline cheapest gas prices in Denver hit
Speaker 2: less than two dollars Sunday ahead of Thanksgiving weekend. Just
Speaker 2: a couple sentences of the story. Gas prices in December
Speaker 2: are trending down just in time for the busy Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: travel weekend, with one station in the city even hitting
Speaker 2: less than two bucks on Sunday. And I'd like to
Speaker 2: see that here. That's according to gas Buddy. I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is. Just in the last week, gas
Speaker 2: prices in Denver I've fallen fourteen cents on the galling gallon,
Speaker 2: hitting two point four to seven per gallon. That was
Speaker 2: last week, anyway, gas Buddy reports that the number is
Speaker 2: lower than the national average of three dollars and three
Speaker 2: cents per gallon. Talking about that two bucks and two
Speaker 2: forty seven in Denver, So I do think you have
Speaker 2: to give him credit for that. It's again, Biden had
Speaker 2: so many idiotic rules against fracking, and you know you
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to drill here, you weren't allowed to drill there.
Speaker 2: Of course he had to please and suck up to
Speaker 2: his radical liberal base of the environmentalists. So Trump could
Speaker 2: care less what they think, as could I. Okay, ksat
Speaker 2: TV San Antonio, Texas headline, san Antonio gas price is
Speaker 2: set to hit pandemic era lows for Thanksgiving. Just one
Speaker 2: sentence on this one. San Antonio drivers may have noticed
Speaker 2: some interesting movement at the pump this week. Thanksgiving travelers
Speaker 2: are still expected to see cheaper gas at the pump
Speaker 2: compared to last year. Now ask yourself this question. Would
Speaker 2: there be besides five? Maybe would there be any mainstream
Speaker 2: news outlet, you know, Washington Post, New York Times, ABC, CBS,
Speaker 2: NBC that would say that No, there's just no way,
Speaker 2: because I don't want to give Trump the credit for it.
Speaker 2: Let's see if we can move on from gas prices here,
Speaker 2: what else has he got?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: This is from Shreveport, Louisiana. Thanksgiving dinner with turkey is
Speaker 2: bargain in Louisiana, where costs are below US average. Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: family feast to feed ten people in Louisiana this year
Speaker 2: is more affordable than any other state in the US
Speaker 2: except for Arkansas. I think they have a bunch of
Speaker 2: chickens in Arkansas. Is that where one of the big
Speaker 2: producers is.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's the cheapest in any state except Arkansas.
Speaker 1: That's according to the American.
Speaker 2: Farm Bureau Cost Survey, the cost for eleven market turkey
Speaker 2: basket eleven market turkey basket items including a whole frozen
Speaker 2: turkey in Louisiana and twenty twenty five is forty four
Speaker 2: seventy That's more than ten bucks cheaper than the national average.
Speaker 2: So you gotta have your Thanksgiving dinner in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you I did. I did.
Speaker 2: My daughter went undergrad to spring Hill College that's in Mobile,
Speaker 2: about a two and a half hour drive to get
Speaker 2: to New Orleans. From there, my daughter made it I
Speaker 2: think about half of that time. Anyway, we had a
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving feast. I forget the name of the restaurant, but man,
Speaker 2: they do it up right down there, not exactly like
Speaker 2: we have here, but it was really cool.
Speaker 1: It was good to do that.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that just gives you an idea, I guess
Speaker 2: of what Trump. Thanks, as far as the price is
Speaker 2: going down on gas and other things. Hey, we got
Speaker 2: a call. Let's talk to Larry in Hamilton. Hey, Larry,
Speaker 2: how you doing doing well?
Speaker 6: Mike, You and I are old friends.
Speaker 7: I'm sure you know who I.
Speaker 6: Am back in my top days around Coryan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How you doing Larry?
Speaker 7: I'm doing fantastic, glove listening to you even on a Wednesday,
Speaker 7: yeah day. Now, that previous caller that was somewhat negative
Speaker 7: about Trump, he's forgetting. What Trump is doing today is
Speaker 7: planting seeds for the future. He is a businessman, and
Speaker 7: you think for a minute he doesn't have influence on
Speaker 7: the pricing. Yes, he does across the country, all the
Speaker 7: stuff that he's doing. People aren't giving him enough credit
Speaker 7: for all the stuff he's doing on a worldwide basis,
Speaker 7: But even at home, he's planting the seeds for economic
Speaker 7: growth in the near future. But it's not hop thing
Speaker 7: fast enough for the certain groups of people. And I
Speaker 7: think you're doing a fantastic job, are you too.
Speaker 2: People people want the instant results though, Larry, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just what we're geared towards in this society. They
Speaker 2: want it down and I don't want it down now.
Speaker 2: And it is going down, but it's still too high.
Speaker 7: Fast, fast food, fast everything, driving up window to the bank,
Speaker 7: drive up window to everything.
Speaker 3: Now think about this, let me switch gears.
Speaker 4: For just a second.
Speaker 7: Okay, So think about all the money that was going
Speaker 7: to the Somaulians up in Minnesota and the I mean,
Speaker 7: you talk about a crime that's that's ridiculous, and the
Speaker 7: big media doesn't want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Oh of course not no, of course not.
Speaker 2: Well I thought it reached at least a billion, possibly more,
Speaker 2: just out and out damn theft. And I don't know
Speaker 2: whoever released that money to them ought to have to
Speaker 2: pay the price.
Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 2: Well, remember when Trump came in, and there's a second
Speaker 2: or third day he got rid of that USAID agency
Speaker 2: that was, you know, throwing our taxpayer dollars around for
Speaker 2: sesame street for people in Egypt, shit stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 7: And my last, but not least, that crap about telling
Speaker 7: soldiers that they don't have to abide by an unlawful order.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, what more can you do to undermine
Speaker 7: the integrity of our military by planting the seed that
Speaker 7: they can disobey an order. That's called treason. You get
Speaker 7: court martialed. Now, at the end of the day. I
Speaker 7: had a conversation with a coworker the other day about
Speaker 7: the illegal the gentleman that.
Speaker 4: Was at the.
Speaker 7: Children's hospital that blah blah blah when he was put
Speaker 7: into jail in Butler County.
Speaker 3: Was he an illegal if of the United States.
Speaker 7: The answer is yes, Okay, So the fact that he
Speaker 7: was a minister or whatever doesn't make any difference. That's
Speaker 7: that's such a kind of a wrong ideology. Well, because
Speaker 7: he is a minister, he should be treated different.
Speaker 3: Nope, you know that that whole thing.
Speaker 4: We're all to be treated equal. At the end of
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 7: That was such the argument or discussion I was in
Speaker 7: with a coworker about that person being incarcerated. The fact is,
Speaker 7: on that day he was incarcerated.
Speaker 4: Was he here illegally?
Speaker 6: Yes, he was going to a process, but at the
Speaker 6: time he was here illegally. Therefore he should have been.
Speaker 7: Dealt with otherwise it's predatory, you know, application of the
Speaker 7: of you know the law.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, listen to this, maybe you heard it and
Speaker 2: it came from the view, So you know they're idiots
Speaker 2: that one of those persons on the view, I forget
Speaker 2: which one said it was. It's racist to call them
Speaker 2: illegal aliens.
Speaker 1: I mean, what the hell.
Speaker 2: They're they're here, they trespassed into our country trade of
Speaker 2: federal law.
Speaker 1: They're criminals.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can, you can try to minimize that
Speaker 2: as much as you want, but that's the case.
Speaker 1: And we are in a point in this country.
Speaker 2: God, I'll never figure this out where the left, the
Speaker 2: Democrats care more about people that trespassed into our country
Speaker 2: than they do ordinary Americans. I hope people are getting
Speaker 2: fed up with that, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll.
Speaker 7: See Michael calling them racist is putting lipstick on a pig.
Speaker 1: I gotcha, Hey, man, I gotta let you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for the call so much.
Speaker 2: Let's talk to lou in beautiful Harrison and I mean that, Hey,
Speaker 2: lou how you.
Speaker 4: Doing, talk to you? Pat? Sorry about yourself?
Speaker 1: Good? I'm good. I'm good. What you got for me?
Speaker 3: And so I was listening earlier when you're talking about with.
Speaker 8: The Thanksgiving comment about how a lot of people are
Speaker 8: just trying to hold protests about Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: What thing that kind of bothers.
Speaker 8: Me is that, you know, yeah, it's very easy to
Speaker 8: focus on the past of what happened, but it's the
Speaker 8: whole purpose of the holiday itself is just to give
Speaker 8: thanks for the things.
Speaker 9: That you have in the future, in the future.
Speaker 3: And in now. Right man, It's like life is just
Speaker 3: too short.
Speaker 10: And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not trying to boast,
Speaker 10: but I work in an emergency department, and so you
Speaker 10: can imagine, like how many times a day that we
Speaker 10: see things that are horrible, and it's just, you know,
Speaker 10: like I'll tell people all the time, like be thankful
Speaker 10: for the things that you have, because it could have
Speaker 10: been a lot worse than what it is right now.
Speaker 10: And especially it's like I'll tell you this, I'm thankful
Speaker 10: for my family. I'm thankful for being an American, and
Speaker 10: I'm thankful for you.
Speaker 4: Mike.
Speaker 3: You're a good guy.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Lou. I appreciate that. That's very kind.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 6: All right, Warries, buddy, you take care of yourself, all right, you.
Speaker 1: Too, have a great Thanksgiving? All right.
Speaker 2: Hey, we got Bill for Montgomery. Let's talk to him. Hey, Bill,
Speaker 2: you're on the air.
Speaker 6: Bhi, Mike, can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Okay, absolutely loud and clear.
Speaker 11: Great, Mike, you actually helped me with an opinion piece
Speaker 11: in the Inquirer for supporting Orlando Sonza. Oh actually, yeah,
Speaker 11: So I'm actually calling about a couple of days ago.
Speaker 11: You had been talking about elections and how we've lost
Speaker 11: Hamilton County. And it's been one of my theories or
Speaker 11: observation for decades now that we have lost Hamilton County
Speaker 11: because we surrendered our public school institutions.
Speaker 1: And what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: I think you're onto something, but what what, what exactly
Speaker 2: do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Bill surrendered the institutions?
Speaker 11: And you know, and Mike, this didn't even conjecture. Randy Weingardner,
Speaker 11: she's still the second largest teacher union, awful, said that
Speaker 11: she believes politics should be in needs to be in
Speaker 11: the classroom. I know the teacher unions. Yeah so they
Speaker 11: And by the way, something I don't think most people
Speaker 11: were aware of until recently, Randy Winegardner and Becky Pringle,
Speaker 11: the presidents of the two largest teacher unions, serve on
Speaker 11: the Democratic National Committee.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt it. If you remember Bill during COVID.
Speaker 2: They found out that whether it was the NEA or AFT,
Speaker 2: both the two strong teachers unions, they were signing off
Speaker 2: on some of the regulations that Biden was putting in
Speaker 2: place for going back to work. They actually sent it
Speaker 2: to them. And let me tell you another boy, you
Speaker 2: hit a nerve here. I do my research for this show.
Speaker 2: I've been doing it a long time. I like doing it. Never,
Speaker 2: not once ever have I heard either Randy Winingartner or
Speaker 2: the president of the other union say anything about educating
Speaker 2: our children.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: It's all politics. They shake down their members for contributions.
Speaker 2: They're too damn powerful.
Speaker 11: I think, right absolutely, and Mike as it pertains to that.
Speaker 11: And I'm in the process of writing another opinion piece
Speaker 11: into the Acquirer, which.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they'll run.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 11: Are you familiar with what's going on in the Sycamore
Speaker 11: Communities school system?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, not really what's going on with them?
Speaker 11: So back in September of twenty twenty four, the president
Speaker 11: of the teacher union that it's the Sycamore Education Association.
Speaker 11: They're a local affiliate for the NEA, the National Education Association,
Speaker 11: which Becky Pringle was president of Okay and they're the
Speaker 11: largest teacher union. The president of the teacher the local
Speaker 11: teacher union went to a school board meeting. Several people
Speaker 11: felt she was intoxicated, which she later on a menuted
Speaker 11: that she was on sedatives and had an alcoholic drink.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 11: She exposed herself at least two to three times, which
Speaker 11: was caught in surveillance camera. Then she bullied a female
Speaker 11: co worker. Then she made a comment loud enough for
Speaker 11: other people in the area to hear that she's there
Speaker 11: was a black principal at the school honoring black students
Speaker 11: with an award, and she said, and I quote, what
Speaker 11: is an incompetent black man doing up there? Black and
Speaker 11: man were synonymous. So long story short, Mike is the
Speaker 11: school board which has been the majority of the school board,
Speaker 11: has been supported, endorsed, and even funded by the teacher.
Speaker 1: Yes, it really is. Bill. I'm running out of time,
Speaker 1: but that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: Please call back, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know, just one other thing to add to what
Speaker 1: Bill said.
Speaker 2: What we have to do and I don't know how
Speaker 2: it went in this last election, and we were doing
Speaker 2: pretty good on it for a while. We have to
Speaker 2: get mothers fathers, people with kids in school on these
Speaker 2: local school boards. Again, Hamilton County's getting to be a
Speaker 2: tougher nut to crack for Republicans. But the school board
Speaker 2: races are down ballot races. That's where we would have
Speaker 2: a good chance. I think that has to happen. The
Speaker 2: other thing, parents have to look at the books that
Speaker 2: their kids are bringing home. They have to do that
Speaker 2: to see what's being taught to their kids. You know what,
Speaker 2: My parents never had to do that, but because they
Speaker 2: didn't have to, they didn't have to. But I think
Speaker 2: I think parents now should do that. Hey, listen, we
Speaker 2: got to take a break for the news, but I
Speaker 2: think you're going to like this next segment. Dennis Whitehead.
Speaker 2: He's an author of a book about the Cincinnati Strangler.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if you're anywhere near my age
Speaker 2: ten years give or take, you're gonna really find this
Speaker 2: interesting talking about post see Laski, the Cincinnati Strangler, and
Speaker 2: he wrote a very very thorough book about it. And
Speaker 2: we'll talk to Dennis when we get back. Mike Allen
Speaker 2: in for Slowey seven hundred WLW. You want to be
Speaker 2: an Americanity News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen Saturday.
Speaker 2: I do that at least once every time I sub
Speaker 2: for somebody else. We'll talk to you Saturday midday on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I'm in for Slowney today, I'm in for Willie tomorrow. Hey,
Speaker 2: before we before Friday, thank you, Dave. Before we get
Speaker 2: to our guests, I just want to let you know
Speaker 2: what we've got cooking going forward. At ten thirty, Steve Gooden,
Speaker 2: Legal analyst, Steve Gooden, Boy, we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the absolute debas buckle with the Komy and Leticia James indictments.
Speaker 2: Doj is not looking good on that, and going to
Speaker 2: ask Steve if the case can be refiled and what
Speaker 2: the effect will be. At eleven o'clock, doctor John Lott,
Speaker 2: always a good guest, did a really good piece about
Speaker 2: how the left lies about children dying by guns, absolute lies,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to him at eleven. Finally, batting cleanup
Speaker 2: is our friend Janie Heisel from the Epoch Times. She
Speaker 2: just fould a great story on the election a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago and how that relates to our journey into
Speaker 2: socialism or maybe not so anyway, Hey, before we do that, though,
Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to this if you are my
Speaker 2: age or around there, you'll remember this. It just rocked
Speaker 2: this town. I'm talking about Postelaski to Cincinnati Strangler.
Speaker 1: It was a huge deal.
Speaker 2: And Dennis is going to tell you this whole community
Speaker 2: was just in such fear of this guy. Women were
Speaker 2: going out and buying more locks for the doors, the
Speaker 2: whole thing. Anyway, Dennis White had He's an ou gred
Speaker 2: a graduate of Hiring a university. He's a writer, photographer,
Speaker 2: and media producer. Again, like I said, from Cincinnati, but
Speaker 2: now living in Arlington, Virginia. Dennis, thanks for calling in
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 9: Good morning Mike.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me my pleasure. Yeah, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you heard the intro. Did I sum that up right?
Speaker 2: And what I was going to ask you to do,
Speaker 2: if you could, is just give us an overview on
Speaker 2: what was going on in this city between December of
Speaker 2: I think it was sixty five, in December of sixty six.
Speaker 9: Well, in essence, it was a period when Cincinnati really
Speaker 9: lost its innocens. Nationally, Vietnam was building the March for
Speaker 9: Civil Rights, it was well underway. There was violence attached
Speaker 9: to it. Tension was building and building in this period,
Speaker 9: so people were already on edge when suddenly women were
Speaker 9: being found strangled to death. Initially, pardon me, thought to
Speaker 9: be just on the east side of town. Suddenly the
Speaker 9: second murder was in Price Hill.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 9: Now police knew that they had a citywide problem. So
Speaker 9: that grew the tension, the anxieties, yes, with fear that
Speaker 9: people felt.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember it and one of the things as kids,
Speaker 2: we absolutely hated this.
Speaker 1: It was at that.
Speaker 2: Time when the decision was made, probably nineteen sixty six
Speaker 2: October sixty sixth. Decision was made. You're not going out
Speaker 2: at night trick or treating. If you want to go out,
Speaker 2: you're doing it during the day. We were none too
Speaker 2: happy about it, but in retrospect, I think it was
Speaker 2: probably a good idea.
Speaker 1: And again and it was moved.
Speaker 9: It was moved to Sunday as well, so it wasn't
Speaker 9: even on the thirty first.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't remember that, but yeah, people were bending
Speaker 2: over backwards. I think I mentioned to you before, I've
Speaker 2: got an old Irish grandma. She's passed away. This woman
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid of anything. However, when that Price Hill strangulation
Speaker 2: took place, she must had five locks.
Speaker 4: On her door.
Speaker 2: I mean, this place was just rocked by that. I
Speaker 2: think it's hard to convey and you can probably do
Speaker 2: it better than me. The feeling in this town during
Speaker 2: this time, just the feeling of fear and law enforcement's
Speaker 2: response to it. They threw a lot of resource is
Speaker 2: at this thing, don't you.
Speaker 1: Think, Oh?
Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely? Well, you know, for for me personally, I
Speaker 9: was just a kid like you and uh my widowed
Speaker 9: mother who grew up in Price Hill went to school
Speaker 9: at Cedar Grove Academy right across the street from one
Speaker 9: of the murders. I was born blocks from, uh the
Speaker 9: murder that posted ELASKI was convicted of. So so this
Speaker 9: really was a it was it was neighborhood centric in
Speaker 9: some ways, not just Price Hill. It was the same
Speaker 9: in East Walnut Hills, right.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 9: It was in Clifton as well. So it's spreading in
Speaker 9: a band across the city.
Speaker 1: Yep. And it's I'm trying to go ahead.
Speaker 9: Well, the killer left no clues. There were no identifiable clues.
Speaker 9: Now you have to remember that the that the the
Speaker 9: forensics of the time weren't simply fingerprints, fluids, blood, simple
Speaker 9: basic hair fibers.
Speaker 4: There was no.
Speaker 9: DNA that would not be until the nineteen eighties, So
Speaker 9: they had no evidence except that hair evidence pointed to
Speaker 9: a black man, but without specifics. They cast a net
Speaker 9: across the city, initially starting with men who had been
Speaker 9: who had previously had conditions for sex crimes, but then
Speaker 9: it began to spread to random people based upon calls
Speaker 9: in the station X. The police would follow up. Detectives,
Speaker 9: patrolmen would follow.
Speaker 2: Up thousands, I mean thousands of clues, thousands of calls.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, how many victims in all
Speaker 1: were they?
Speaker 2: I know Barbara Bowman was the one that Lasky was
Speaker 2: prosecuted successfully on. But how many victims in all Dennis
Speaker 2: died at the hand of the strangler.
Speaker 9: Well, the strangulation deaths, there were six. Barbara Bowman makes
Speaker 9: the seventh. Now there were also numerous There were also
Speaker 9: numerous assaults that that that occurred that did match the
Speaker 9: the d m O of the killer in certain ways,
Speaker 9: but it was but it was the it was the
Speaker 9: strangulation murders that that were the key. U Now, Barbara Bowman,
Speaker 9: while she died of stab wounds, did have a ligature
Speaker 9: wound around her neck. So that's what drew police attention
Speaker 9: to a connection to the strangler.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Let me let me ask you that question.
Speaker 4: That was the one condition.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you this question too. You had
Speaker 2: mentioned at tench time. I had to Obviously there were
Speaker 2: racial issues and problems in the city of Cincinnati at
Speaker 2: the time. That probably compounded some of it because again,
Speaker 2: like you said, uh, they were looking for an African
Speaker 2: American man.
Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 9: It exacerbated the existing tensions that had grown out of
Speaker 9: national frustrations with the civil rights movement. Finally succeeded in
Speaker 9: nineteen sixty five with the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 9: So success was found that year, but tensions were still
Speaker 9: There wasn't enough in Cincinnati. There was a general feeling
Speaker 9: that while people of color could speak, the question was.
Speaker 4: What were they being heard?
Speaker 9: Was there more than just lip service being done in response?
Speaker 9: And the answer was no, not really, and so there
Speaker 9: was great deal of frustration over in action, local inaction.
Speaker 9: Now then you bring in police attention to black males
Speaker 9: across the city. At the same time, African American women
Speaker 9: were just as concerned.
Speaker 4: Sure as white women.
Speaker 9: The problem was they experienced non responsiveness when they when
Speaker 9: they would call.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 9: And during the during the panic really of the of
Speaker 9: the strangler, there were calls from Kennedy Heights about a
Speaker 9: car that matched the description of a car that had
Speaker 9: been cruising around Kennedy Heights neighborhoods. There was no response
Speaker 9: to it. There were there was no equal concern to that.
Speaker 9: So that all built it built and built.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 9: A breaking point in the lasty prosecution was then the
Speaker 9: case of Oh goodness, I've forgotten his name, but there
Speaker 9: was a Cincinnati end car copy editor who was arrested
Speaker 9: on a strangulation murder. He had murdered his his girlfriend.
Speaker 9: They were both white.
Speaker 4: He was off. The probation well received.
Speaker 2: There were different times back then. Uh, let me ask
Speaker 2: you this. Uh they were. There was only one prosecution,
Speaker 2: of course, that being for the murder of Barbara Bowman
Speaker 2: up there on Ring Court in Price Hill. The first
Speaker 2: cop on the scene was a legend.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's see, it was accept him.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He everybody knows him. Yes, he was a young cop
Speaker 2: at the time. Though Mel Ruger was a prosecutor. I
Speaker 2: knew Mel just a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was a legend as well, a hell of a prosecutor,
Speaker 2: absolutely a great prosecutor. The decision was made, although you
Speaker 2: had all these homicides, uh, just to prosecute on Barbara
Speaker 2: Bowman that murder and they got a conviction on that.
Speaker 2: What was the feeling of the community at the time about, Hey, look,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you got a successful prosecution of her murder,
Speaker 2: but what about the rest of him.
Speaker 1: Give us an idea of what the feeling about that was.
Speaker 9: Well, Actually, when Laski was arrested on an attempted assault
Speaker 9: charge that was bumped up to assault. When he was arrested,
Speaker 9: the media coverage was the strangler suspects.
Speaker 4: In hand, We've got him.
Speaker 9: So from that moment forward there was a general feeling
Speaker 9: of relief, made more so by the absence of further
Speaker 9: murders once he was in custody. And that remains the
Speaker 9: one pivotal point there. Those circumstantial The murders stopped when
Speaker 9: he was taking them.
Speaker 1: I mean, no question, unequivocally.
Speaker 2: Also, you point out in a book the judge in
Speaker 2: this case interesting Simon l Lease, Si Lisa, his dad.
Speaker 2: He's kind of a crusty old guy, according to what
Speaker 2: you have in the book, But a good judge, a
Speaker 2: very experienced judge.
Speaker 9: He had been a I had his biography in the book,
Speaker 9: but hit a long career as a prosecutor, investigator, and
Speaker 9: as a judge that also gave him experiences in the
Speaker 9: Laski trial. He even went back to a case that
Speaker 9: he I think he was an assistant prosecutor in the
Speaker 9: nineteen thirties. He was seventy years old at the time
Speaker 9: of Laski's trial. There was a murder trial of the poisoning.
Speaker 9: It was Han and she was the first woman sentenced
Speaker 9: to die in the electric chair in Ohio. She had
Speaker 9: poisoned them. And he is techniques as a prosecutor. Allowed
Speaker 9: Ruber to employee techniques in the trial that he had
Speaker 9: used in the Han case. Remember, And and then there
Speaker 9: was the the Abbott trial that preceded Laski's trial by
Speaker 9: not much but some of the same legal maneuverings that
Speaker 9: that that Ruber employed. Judge Lee was very familiar with,
Speaker 9: and he allowed them to go into trial. And actually
Speaker 9: one of the key things was testimony that was permitted
Speaker 9: into the into the case in both the Abbot and
Speaker 9: Lasky that really put the nail in their coffins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was this.
Speaker 9: This was testimony that was related to the to the defendant,
Speaker 9: but not to the to the case. So in the
Speaker 9: case of Abbot, it was a one and he was one.
Speaker 9: A girl of sixteen years old. Abbot violently assaulted her
Speaker 9: because of anger, and that was brought into the case
Speaker 9: and it portrayed him in a very negative light. And
Speaker 9: when when that verdict came in as guilty, he walked
Speaker 9: away and said she did it. That testimony did it
Speaker 9: to me. The same with Laski. The case was built
Speaker 9: on rather circumstantial evidence, but Lise allowed the testimony of
Speaker 9: an assault victim who accused Lasky of the assaulting, who
Speaker 9: was never tried. That her testimony, very dramatic testimony, was
Speaker 9: allowed into the trial, and that put jurors.
Speaker 4: Over the top.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, As we said, he was prosecuted successfully for the
Speaker 2: murder of Barbara Bowman up there in Price Shell, and
Speaker 2: he received the death penalty, but he was not put
Speaker 2: to death.
Speaker 1: Why was that?
Speaker 9: Well, nineteen sixty eighth the Supreme Court ruled be a
Speaker 9: death penalty constitutional. It took until nineteen seventy for that
Speaker 9: then to come down to the Ohio Supreme Court for
Speaker 9: Laski's case to be reheard under that decision, and his
Speaker 9: sentence was commuted to life in prison.
Speaker 4: Then in nineteen seventy for parole.
Speaker 2: A number of times, one when I was prosecutor did
Speaker 2: not get parole. I remember, kind of like a cop killer.
Speaker 2: We got the community all ginned up to send letters
Speaker 2: for the parole board, and he died in prison. I
Speaker 2: believe in two thousand and seven, only have a minute
Speaker 2: and a half or so left. I want to make sure, Dennis,
Speaker 2: that you let people know how to get this book.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you to make a great Christmas gift. It
Speaker 2: was one I'm not just saying this. It was one
Speaker 2: of the best books I ever read, right up there
Speaker 2: with the Brick, a book by JT. Townsend. Just an easy,
Speaker 2: good read. How can people get that book?
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Mike.
Speaker 9: It's available and I'm working on getting it into Cincinnati
Speaker 9: bookstores so it will be in in some in the
Speaker 9: coming days. It's available on Amazon, but you can you
Speaker 9: can order it online from any bookstore.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 9: You can go to your favorite bookstore and they can
Speaker 9: order explore you, or you can go online.
Speaker 4: It's available everywhere.
Speaker 2: Great, Hey, listen, we're out of time. I really appreciate this.
Speaker 2: There's never enough time. We could probably take a couple hours.
Speaker 2: But congratulations on the book. It is fantastic, I hope
Speaker 2: and I bet a lot of people go out and
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: And again, it really would make a good.
Speaker 2: Christmas present for people that are familiar with it and
Speaker 2: experienced it in one way or the other. But Dennis Whitehead,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us this morning.
Speaker 9: Mike, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Okay, my pleasure, all right, And again, you just can't
Speaker 2: convey what the effect on this town was of this guy.
Speaker 2: And I think mel Ruger he caught a little grief,
Speaker 2: but I think his decision to not prosecute the others
Speaker 2: after the conviction on the Bowman murder was a good one.
Speaker 2: So anyway, very good book. If you're interested, you ought
Speaker 2: to get it. Hey, listen, when we get back, what
Speaker 2: an absolute debacle with the comy and Letitia James now
Speaker 2: non prosecutions. DJ is not looking good on this one,
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk to our legal expert Steve
Speaker 2: Gooden about that when we get back. Mike Allen in
Speaker 2: for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back Mike Allen
Speaker 2: in for Sloaney. Well, I'll tell you what if you
Speaker 2: follow the news at all, you know the situation with
Speaker 2: one James Komy and Leticia James. Boy, they were on
Speaker 2: Trump's list. The federal court. The federal judge, which I
Speaker 2: believe was a Clinton appointee or it is a buying appointee.
Speaker 1: Dismissed the cases.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether they can be refold or not,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure our next guest is talking about legal
Speaker 2: analyst Steve Goodin.
Speaker 1: Steve, thanks for joining us this morning.
Speaker 4: Hey, good morning, Mike.
Speaker 2: Not DOJ's finest hour, was it?
Speaker 4: It sure wasn't you know. You know, there's an old
Speaker 4: saying that you know that revenge is a dish best
Speaker 4: served cold. And these guys came in very, very hot
Speaker 4: and tried to indict Comy and Leticia James using sort
Speaker 4: of an interim prosecutor who who the judges found really
Speaker 4: wasn't properly appointed in the role. And the problem the
Speaker 4: Trump folks have is I think the judge is probably right.
Speaker 4: You know, she was an interum. You can have an
Speaker 4: interim US attorney for one hundred and twenty days, is
Speaker 4: the one hundred and twenty days had run. They tried
Speaker 4: to make her kind of an acting US attorney. She
Speaker 4: was the only attorney in the room. Her name is
Speaker 4: hann Again Ashley hand Again, a former White House lawyer.
Speaker 4: She had no criminal experience, and it looks for all
Speaker 4: the world like she was sitting there specifically by the
Speaker 4: Trump folks and by Pam Bondi to indict these two.
Speaker 4: So in all likelihood, when she was actually in the
Speaker 4: grand jury as the loan attorney presenting the cases for
Speaker 4: indictment against James and Komy, she really her paperwork had expired, basically,
Speaker 4: so they tossed the indictments. There is a pretty good
Speaker 4: argument they can be refiled, But with Comy it's going
Speaker 4: to be a little close. I mean, he has a
Speaker 4: five year statute of limitations. The statements he made allegedly
Speaker 4: were back in twenty eighteen. I think he did mislead Congress.
Speaker 4: Whether it whether now that we know more about the
Speaker 4: underlying case, whether it actually rises to a criminal intentional
Speaker 4: misleading at Congress, we don't know. But he certainly made
Speaker 4: statements about the Clinton FBI leaks that were misleading to Congress. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's kind of where really really where that is.
Speaker 4: It's going to be fought out for a while. The
Speaker 4: Trump people are going to take an appeal. Oddly enough,
Speaker 4: they probably, it seems to me, have a better chance
Speaker 4: of getting Letitia James' case refiled than Comy's. But also
Speaker 4: that was the least serious of the two. So we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens. But there's more more fighting to go.
Speaker 4: But I think Trump and his books lose this round
Speaker 4: on a technicality, but a pretty significant yeah.
Speaker 2: And I just think the way it was handled was
Speaker 2: an abomination. Trump put out a truth Social post. It
Speaker 2: was about two or three days I believe before Pam,
Speaker 2: Bondi and d OJ took some action on this thing,
Speaker 2: and I just just bear with me. I want to
Speaker 2: read part of it at least. Okay, this is from
Speaker 2: Trump on truth Social Pam. It's like it's addressed to her.
Speaker 2: I have received over three hundred statements and posts saying
Speaker 2: that essentially same old story as last time, all talked,
Speaker 2: no action, nothing is being done. What about Kmy, Adam,
Speaker 2: Shifty Shift, Letitia, They're all guilty as hell, but nothing
Speaker 2: is going to be done. And then we almost put
Speaker 2: a Democrat supported US attorney in Virginia with a really
Speaker 2: bad Republican past. Anyway, he goes on to say, last sentence,
Speaker 2: they impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree. More justice must be served.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know, I'm loath to criticize
Speaker 2: the president, but I will.
Speaker 1: I think it's appropriate.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's a lawyer and me, Steve, but as
Speaker 2: an attorney, did that offend you? Because it's just a blatant,
Speaker 2: a blatant.
Speaker 1: Ploy to get these two prosecuted.
Speaker 2: The norm the regular prosecutor wouldn't do it, so he's
Speaker 2: got to go out and get a different one.
Speaker 1: Am I overstating the case?
Speaker 4: No? I mean it's really reminiscent in a way of,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of what happened, you know at the
Speaker 4: end of Watergate, you know, when Nixon couldn't find that
Speaker 4: he wanted to fire the special prosecutor and they kept Goody,
Speaker 4: and there's that famous light on the Nixon James who says,
Speaker 4: I don't you know, just keep firing people until someone
Speaker 4: will go fire him, you know, And they said, I
Speaker 4: don't care if we're down to the janitor at that point,
Speaker 4: you know, I want some of the fire. So when
Speaker 4: it's all about the result you want and you're the executive,
Speaker 4: that is a really bad and dangerous place for us
Speaker 4: to be in a republic. And everyone says we're a democracy,
Speaker 4: We're really a republic and we have a very fine
Speaker 4: balancing of the three branches. And it really is a
Speaker 4: bad day those posts he puts out. You know, he
Speaker 4: is his own worst enemy, the president is on this rhetoric.
Speaker 4: Any chance of having anything that looked like an impartial
Speaker 4: and real indictment here of either of these two, you know,
Speaker 4: is you know, it was just out the window the
Speaker 4: second he made that post. I mean, even if the
Speaker 4: indictment had somehow, the indictments had somehow stood up and
Speaker 4: gone to trial, I think you know that that would
Speaker 4: have been something that would have been presented to the
Speaker 4: jury and really cast out on whether or not this
Speaker 4: was this was impartial. And I mean, look, I understand
Speaker 4: that I've never been or will be president of the
Speaker 4: United States, but I can only imagine the president's anger
Speaker 4: at the way he was treated. There is no question,
Speaker 4: you know, you lover hate Trump. I think most lawyers
Speaker 4: would agree that the system was weaponized against him and
Speaker 4: perverted against him in ways that just we're an abomination
Speaker 4: as well. The while he was out of office, I
Speaker 4: mean the particularly the Latitia James case, something that kind
Speaker 4: of case that had never been brought New York State.
Speaker 4: The statute had never been used that way. They were
Speaker 4: really just making stuff up to get him. And I
Speaker 4: get that he's angry, but my god, he won the
Speaker 4: next election. You'd think that that would be enough to
Speaker 4: you know, he's president again. I mean that that you
Speaker 4: would think that would would suit some of those wounds.
Speaker 4: But it looks like he does want to go back
Speaker 4: after these folks. And look, Tony, and I get the
Speaker 4: anger at Komy. I mean that when you when you
Speaker 4: really scrape it all away. Comy was asked before Congress,
Speaker 4: you know, did you leak to someone at the FBI
Speaker 4: or tell them to leak at the FBI? And his
Speaker 4: answer was no. But then we now learned that he
Speaker 4: actually did give the leak to an FBI contractor who
Speaker 4: was a friend of his. And he's kind of hanging
Speaker 4: on this sort of Bill Clinton kind of word persing
Speaker 4: thing of like, well, he wasn't a full time employee
Speaker 4: even though he worked there, so and I understand how
Speaker 4: frustrating and aggravating that would be when you see that
Speaker 4: one of your enemies and someone who has been weaponizing
Speaker 4: the justice departments doing this sort of thing. But that's
Speaker 4: really not a not a great thing to hang a
Speaker 4: criminal case on. And it really does, I mean, like really,
Speaker 4: what it looks like here is he finally found someone
Speaker 4: who was willing to put their law license on the
Speaker 4: line and go in and jam this indictment through. And
Speaker 4: it's notable. Someone who's never i guess said zero criminal practice, experience,
Speaker 4: defense or prosecution actually went in, it spoke to the
Speaker 4: grand jury and I and this is rare. It wasn't
Speaker 4: even now we know it wasn't even unanimous at the
Speaker 4: grand jury. There were grand juries jurors, even under these
Speaker 4: weird circumstances, who were saying, we don't think we should
Speaker 4: indict these two. Yeah. So, I mean, it's really snaked
Speaker 4: that from the beginning from the truth social post all
Speaker 4: the way down to the selection of this particular attorney
Speaker 4: who didn't have any kind of experience, to the fact
Speaker 4: that she was the only attorney in the room, which
Speaker 4: is also, as you know from grand jury days, kind
Speaker 4: of unusual. Usually you have not always, but you have
Speaker 4: at least a paralegal or somebody else, you know, in
Speaker 4: the room with you privately with the grand jury to
Speaker 4: kind of fight things out. So everything about it just stinks,
Speaker 4: and in a weird way, they're kind of lucky. I
Speaker 4: think that the judge pulled the trigger, or you know,
Speaker 4: you pulled these indictments on the early side, rather than
Speaker 4: let all this get fleshed out in really gruesome detail,
Speaker 4: either through a motion practice or a trial. I don't
Speaker 4: think it would have reflected well on anybody well.
Speaker 2: You know. I mean, maybe it's a lawyer in me,
Speaker 2: as I said, But the minute I saw that truth
Speaker 2: social post, I thought, oh my god, this is going
Speaker 2: to come back and boomerang. I get his anger, and buddy,
Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody has a right to be pot
Speaker 2: about the way they treated him, he does. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm also a realist about lawfare, you know, politics, Steve,
Speaker 2: somebody does something to you, by god, you're going to
Speaker 2: do it back to them. So I really don't have
Speaker 2: a problem with that, But why telegraph it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess there's probably.
Speaker 1: No one, not even millenia.
Speaker 2: Who could say whoa WHOA? Don't send that out. You know,
Speaker 2: it just it looks horrible. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a long way of asking you a question.
Speaker 2: Have we've seen the last of this thing? I know
Speaker 2: Trump won't let it go, but do you think that
Speaker 2: you know they're going to reindict and candem It was
Speaker 2: a dismissal without prejudice.
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to look at it the decision.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't speak to prejudice
Speaker 4: at all. He just tosses it. And then you know,
Speaker 4: there's a statute and I think it's eten USC three
Speaker 4: two two eight that basically says, you know you you know,
Speaker 4: the statute of limitations is sort of told under certain circumstances,
Speaker 4: you know, when there's when there's issues and questions about
Speaker 4: the indictment. But all that being said, I think they
Speaker 4: were they were right against the line of being out
Speaker 4: of time on Komy anyway. I mean, because the statement's
Speaker 4: tackling the way back to twenty eighteen. Uh and there's
Speaker 4: a five year statute of limitations there so, and there's
Speaker 4: also an argument because that even though it's told typically
Speaker 4: in a situation like this, because there's prosecutor on this
Speaker 4: conduct that's being alleged. You don't get that benefit of
Speaker 4: the doubt, and you know, the timeline doesn't stay. So
Speaker 4: I mean, they're going to appeal. Bondie's already said she's
Speaker 4: going to appeal. But I particularly lose it and this
Speaker 4: really is the end of this, and if they're smart,
Speaker 4: they let it go. And again, this is a situation.
Speaker 4: It's amazing to me because you've seen it in state courts,
Speaker 4: and I've seen it state courts where whether it be
Speaker 4: police officers, prosecutors, whatever, you let your emotions get the
Speaker 4: better of you and bad decisions get made. It's amazing
Speaker 4: to me that you still see that human element and
Speaker 4: all these emotions coming into play all the way up
Speaker 4: you know, to the presidency. I mean, this is just
Speaker 4: a classic case of a guy getting really mad and
Speaker 4: telling the prosecutors to do something they shouldn't have done.
Speaker 4: They probably should have should have held their ground. I
Speaker 4: can only imagine what the conversations were. I don't know
Speaker 4: about with Milania. But you know, Pan Bondy is a
Speaker 4: real prosecutor. You know, Pambody is not just some politic
Speaker 4: co actor. She's really done the job and she's the
Speaker 4: ag of Florida and a well regarded one. So and
Speaker 4: the amount of time this took, I can only imagine
Speaker 4: there were many many trips down to the West Wing
Speaker 4: to try to talk them out of this, uh and
Speaker 4: to try to get him to stand down. But they
Speaker 4: eventually he said, it's like it's like in Watergate. They
Speaker 4: finally found in Watergate, the tribute question. It was finally
Speaker 4: Robert Young, Robert Borke, who was the guy that was
Speaker 4: fired Archibald.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah, they kept firing people and ele leading
Speaker 4: them to acting Attorney General just to fire, you know
Speaker 4: it just like could fire the special prosecutor, you know,
Speaker 4: and here they finally you know, the the you know,
Speaker 4: the the Robert bork Here is this Hannigan lady who
Speaker 4: I guess had briefly worked in the White House as
Speaker 4: a civil attorney, and then he made her the you know,
Speaker 4: the acting or interim and then acting attorney up in
Speaker 4: in Virginia that has in Wooden Pert of Virginia, that
Speaker 4: has a jurisdiction over a lot of the DC stuff.
Speaker 4: So and she was willing to go do it. So,
Speaker 4: I mean I also predicted in some way or fashion,
Speaker 4: someone's going to go after her law license over this.
Speaker 4: I was going to that's probably going to be the
Speaker 4: biggest problem. Yeah, I think you can count on that.
Speaker 2: You know, somebody who was criticizing the whole thing. I
Speaker 2: kind of likened it to just a citizen coming off
Speaker 2: the street walking into a grand jury room and getting
Speaker 2: an indictment because of the technical stuff. But what do
Speaker 2: you think is to become of Lindsay Halligan? Apparently from
Speaker 2: what I read, she's a very good civil lawyer, but
Speaker 2: had no business in the grand jury room.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's look, I know brilliant civil lawyers who
Speaker 4: really you know, you know who if you sent them
Speaker 4: into the grand jury today with no training would have
Speaker 4: you know, it would flail. I think, Mike, I worked
Speaker 4: for you. I don't think I was allowed to walk
Speaker 4: even near the grand jury room for two to three years.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you really, you know, really got
Speaker 4: to know what you what you're doing. You really have
Speaker 4: to understand the criminal law. There's a lot of nuances
Speaker 4: to it, from being able to count the time on
Speaker 4: the statute to what evidence is admissible and so forth.
Speaker 4: So yeah, being brilliant's got nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: It's about being trained. I mean I would think that,
Speaker 4: you know the hand again. I mean, I think there
Speaker 4: will be some action against her law license. Probably when
Speaker 4: the dust settles here, they're going to lose the appeal.
Speaker 4: But she's somebody that looks to me to be kind
Speaker 4: of ready made for TV. I would expect to see
Speaker 4: her out of politics pretty quickly. I mean she looks
Speaker 4: like a model. I mean, if there was ever like
Speaker 4: a perfect profile for a Fox News TV commentator, it
Speaker 4: would be miss Annagan. Okay, So she does have that
Speaker 4: look a lot of the women have in the Trump world.
Speaker 4: So she has that kind of Melania kind of vibe.
Speaker 4: So I always see her now that she has to
Speaker 4: obtain some notoriety, bouncing out of politics pretty quick into
Speaker 4: some media role will be my guy. I have no
Speaker 4: reason to believe that, just my guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing is a big old cluster. You
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: Hey, we got about three minutes or so new things
Speaker 2: happening on the PG sitting field front. Can you tell
Speaker 2: us about that because I missed it?
Speaker 1: Was it motions?
Speaker 4: Yeah? There were some Yeah, there were a flory of
Speaker 4: violins this week. It's really interesting, you know PG, I said, Ville,
Speaker 4: you know, was convicted of basic classic quid pro quo
Speaker 4: corruption by a federal jury here in Cincinnati and sentenced
Speaker 4: to I think fourteen months in prison, served about five
Speaker 4: or six of them. You know, it was fighting it
Speaker 4: on appeal and then just sort of out of left field.
Speaker 4: Although Washington it seemed out of left field, we now
Speaker 4: know there was a lot of lobbying going on the
Speaker 4: Trump Partington basically sort of you know, there's you know,
Speaker 4: and Trump has been pardoning a lot of folks around
Speaker 4: the county or country that he feels are were wrongfully
Speaker 4: convicted in some of these public corruption cases where he
Speaker 4: thought entrapment was used. And the FBI tactics are pretty tough,
Speaker 4: but a very very rare kind of circumstance to your
Speaker 4: PG is pursuing his appeal even though he has been pardoned.
Speaker 4: It is and it's kind of interesting, and we don't
Speaker 4: know whether or not the Supreme Court is going to
Speaker 4: truly entertain it. And what's interesting here is the Trump
Speaker 4: Justice Department has sort of now taken a different position.
Speaker 4: They want this to be over with. At this point
Speaker 4: of view is look, we don't want you to keep
Speaker 4: fighting here. It's going to impact other convictions, you know,
Speaker 4: and PG has made it very blue. He wants to,
Speaker 4: you know, he wants to change the law around this.
Speaker 4: He thinks that the whole quid pro quo corruption law,
Speaker 4: particularly the Supreme Court case called McCormick that basically says, look,
Speaker 4: you know, if you accept the campaign contribution in exchange
Speaker 4: for your position on a particular vote or a particular project,
Speaker 4: that that is illegal. And that's been the law since
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one. And he wants to go after that
Speaker 4: and address that. And it's very interesting that it feels
Speaker 4: like when you read these briefs, basically, the Justice Department
Speaker 4: and it clearly feels kind of burned by Sittenfeld because
Speaker 4: they're like, you know, we got you, you got the
Speaker 4: pardon pal, you know, but now you're still fighting us,
Speaker 4: and not just that you want you want your conviction vacated.
Speaker 4: You want it to be like it never occurred. And
Speaker 4: they do seem to really be going after this McCormick decision,
Speaker 4: which has really been the law of the land. And
Speaker 4: I always felt, and I know there's a lot of
Speaker 4: conservative commentators who are on the other side of this,
Speaker 4: I always felt it was a common sense line to
Speaker 4: draw because otherwise, you know you're going to be sitting
Speaker 4: down with donors and talking about specific votes. And if
Speaker 4: you're in the state House.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right, and unfortunately we are out of time.
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of the trial for Channel nineteen.
Speaker 2: I know you did as well as a legal analyst,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I mean, I don't think he
Speaker 2: crossed the line. I don't think anybody knows what the
Speaker 2: heck the line is. But at any rate, Steve, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling in and not filling us in on
Speaker 2: this stuff anytime.
Speaker 4: Have a good Thanksgiving that you too, Steve.
Speaker 2: Thank you you you know I mean, And I get
Speaker 2: some guff from people. I am sympathetic to pg's situation.
Speaker 2: When you're in politics, you gotta raise money, you gotta
Speaker 2: be aggressive. And from what I heard, I don't know
Speaker 2: that he crossed that line into bribery. And you know what,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see the Supreme Court take a look
Speaker 2: at it see if maybe they can kind of clear
Speaker 2: it up a little bit. Anyway, we got to take
Speaker 2: a break for the news, but when we get back,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to doctor John Lott. He's going
Speaker 2: to talk about how the left lies about child gun deaths,
Speaker 2: and I think you'll find it interesting. We'll do that
Speaker 2: when we get back Mike Allen and for Slowey seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW. You want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 1: Hey, we're back Mike Allan in for Sloaney. Well, i'll
Speaker 1: tell you what.
Speaker 2: The left absolutely loves to skew the figures on gun deaths,
Speaker 2: and that's true adults, gundest and children as well. Well,
Speaker 2: somebody's doing a deep dive into it and showing that
Speaker 2: it's just a lie, it's not true. That person is
Speaker 2: our next guest, doctor John Lott. He is the president
Speaker 2: of the Crime Prevention Research Center. And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: I checked that out. Really great website, crimesearch dot org.
Speaker 2: A lot of good stats in there. So anyway, doctor
Speaker 2: lot welcome to WLW. I know it ain't your first time.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me back on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: My pleasure, my pleasure. Hey, tell us about the piece
Speaker 2: that you wrote. I think for the federalists, I thought
Speaker 2: it was great and you make a very good case
Speaker 2: that they are exaggerating at a minimum, the figures about that.
Speaker 2: And it's titled Democrats Favorite Talking point about children and
Speaker 2: gundests is a lie tell us about that.
Speaker 6: Thanks.
Speaker 12: People can find a copy of it at our website
Speaker 12: at Crimeresearch dot org. But look, you know, about fifteen
Speaker 12: years ago or so, Michael Bloomberg's gun control groups basically
Speaker 12: did focus testing to try to see what types of
Speaker 12: claims that they could make that would move the needle
Speaker 12: the most on the gun control issue. And what they
Speaker 12: found was, particularly for women, if they made the claim
Speaker 12: that gun deaths were the number one cause of death
Speaker 12: for children, they could they could have a big impact
Speaker 12: on that. And so you've been seeing a lot of
Speaker 12: claims out there since then that try to make that claim.
Speaker 4: The thing is that.
Speaker 12: People can go to the Centers for Disease Control website.
Speaker 12: They have very detailed data on deaths from many different
Speaker 12: types of causes. And whether you define children as those
Speaker 12: under eighteen or those under fifteen or some other age
Speaker 12: group that's lower, what you find.
Speaker 6: Is that motor vehicle deaths I'll outnumber it.
Speaker 12: And if you have something like underage fifteen, not only
Speaker 12: the motor vehicle deaths out number, but things like suffocation
Speaker 12: deaths are like twice in the latest year that's available
Speaker 12: twenty twenty three, suffocation deaths are more than twice the
Speaker 12: number of deaths from firearms. The thing is also how
Speaker 12: they define firearm deaths. What they do is they add
Speaker 12: together homicides, suicides with firearms, and accidental deaths. The problem
Speaker 12: is most people I suspect think that homicides and murders
Speaker 12: are the same.
Speaker 6: They're not.
Speaker 12: Homicides are murders plus justifiable homicides by police civilians, And
Speaker 12: so even to get the numbers as close as they do,
Speaker 12: they're having to include things like a seventeen year old
Speaker 12: gang member who was let's say, pointing a gun at
Speaker 12: a police officer and shot by the police officer, as
Speaker 12: you know, as a firearm step.
Speaker 6: And in some sit that's true.
Speaker 12: But the notion behind I think pushing this is just
Speaker 12: to take guns away, abandoned guns. I assume they're not
Speaker 12: going to abolish guns from police officers.
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 12: It to me, lumping together an innocent victim who's killed
Speaker 12: versus a situation where you have a criminal who's trying
Speaker 12: to kill somebody else who stopped those are just not
Speaker 12: the same things that.
Speaker 6: Are going on there. And what you find is.
Speaker 12: About seventy five or so of the homicides involve fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 12: seventeen year old gang members. Even if you're looking at,
Speaker 12: you know, the deaths for those under eighteen, and I
Speaker 12: think that's you know, questionable whether or not you want
Speaker 12: to include those, because when you see these news stories
Speaker 12: or others, they'll start off with a story about, you know,
Speaker 12: a child.
Speaker 6: Dying from an acidal gun shot.
Speaker 4: In the home.
Speaker 12: And if you look at the data from let's say
Speaker 12: twenty ten to twenty twenty, you'll find about thirty two
Speaker 12: on average of those deaths a year. You know, be
Speaker 12: nice if it was zero rather than third two, But
Speaker 12: even two thirds of those of those thirty two deaths
Speaker 12: are gun shots accidentally fired by an adult male, usually
Speaker 12: in there mid to late twenties, who have a criminal
Speaker 12: record and it's illegal for them to own a gun
Speaker 12: to begin with, and who are very often either drug
Speaker 12: addicts or alcoholics.
Speaker 6: So you know, these.
Speaker 12: Are not normal, law abiding people who do most of
Speaker 12: these accidal gunshots.
Speaker 6: Even for even if you want to include those, what about.
Speaker 1: The situation with suicide? Can you address that?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, they're not that many suicides that are
Speaker 12: involved for those underageteen eighteen or under fifteen.
Speaker 6: It's a small number, like with accidental gun does.
Speaker 12: But the thing is also you know, again the notion
Speaker 12: is simply if you just got rid of guns, you
Speaker 12: wouldn't have the suicides occurring. Well, we've tried banning guns
Speaker 12: in parts of the United States. Washington, d C. And
Speaker 12: Chicago banned handguns. The vast majority of suicides involve handguns,
Speaker 12: and other countries have either banned all.
Speaker 6: Guns or all handguns.
Speaker 12: So what you find is that while they're in firearm suicides,
Speaker 12: total suicides don't change. There's really no statistically significant change
Speaker 12: at all in terms of total suicides. And so basically
Speaker 12: what happens is that if you have somebody who's suicidal,
Speaker 12: there are lots of different ways for people to commit suicide,
Speaker 12: lots of different ways for them to commit suicide which
Speaker 12: have you know, quote unquote an equal success rate or
Speaker 12: even a slightly higher success rate to using a firearm.
Speaker 6: People who hang themselves.
Speaker 12: Or jump off a tall building or structure, or walk
Speaker 12: in front of a train or a bus. Those are
Speaker 12: all ways that people could commit suicide that have you know,
Speaker 12: success rates that are similar to using a firearm.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, and you've got a paragraph
Speaker 2: in your piece on this at the you got the
Speaker 2: Washington Post, no surprise there, you got a blaring headline
Speaker 2: why guns are America's number one killer of children. Then
Speaker 2: you got, of course NPR their headline firearms overtook auto
Speaker 2: accidents as the leading cause of death and children. You
Speaker 2: just demolished that argument, and of course the BBC's got
Speaker 2: to get involved. Gun desks were the leading killer of
Speaker 2: US children. In twenty twenty, something happened over in the UK.
Speaker 2: I think that you addressed. I think it was at
Speaker 2: the very end of the piece where what they're doing
Speaker 2: with gun control over there hasn't helped anything.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 12: Well, you look, you have a whole island nations that
Speaker 12: have tried to ban guns. In the UK, they banned
Speaker 12: all handguns in January nineteen ninety seven, and what you found.
Speaker 12: What you found was that after they banned it, over
Speaker 12: the next eight years, homicides increased by fifty percent.
Speaker 4: It was only.
Speaker 12: After they had about an eighteen percent increase in the
Speaker 12: number of police officers in just a few year period
Speaker 12: of time that they were finally able to bring down
Speaker 12: the homicide rates back to about what they were prior
Speaker 12: to the band that was.
Speaker 6: There, and that's what you see in other countries.
Speaker 12: I mean, look, I know when we had the bands
Speaker 12: in Chicago and Washington, TC gun control advocates say, well,
Speaker 12: you know that wasn't a fair test. You can't expect
Speaker 12: it to work because people could stole get guns from
Speaker 12: the rest of Illinois, or from Indiana, or from Maryland
Speaker 12: to Virginia. The problem is that doesn't explain why homicide
Speaker 12: rates went up. It may explain why they didn't go
Speaker 12: down as they were predicting at the time. But you
Speaker 12: could look at island nations, whether it be the Republic
Speaker 12: of Ireland or Jamaica or the Solomon Islands or other
Speaker 12: places which have banned either all guns or all handguns,
Speaker 12: and every single time, murder rates go up and suicides
Speaker 12: remain unchanged.
Speaker 6: And there's a simple.
Speaker 12: Reason why murder rates go up, and that is you
Speaker 12: may take a few guns away from the criminals, but
Speaker 12: if you're primarily disarming the law bidy good citizens out there,
Speaker 12: you make it easier for criminals to go and commit crimes,
Speaker 12: and you actually see an increase in total death.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question. I have always wondered why,
Speaker 2: and I've got a theory why the left and their
Speaker 2: cohorts in the mainstream media keep pounding this thing. You know,
Speaker 2: it's all about the gun, all about the gun. They
Speaker 2: never talk about the person behind the gun, and that's
Speaker 2: juvenile and adults. I mean, my thought is they're just
Speaker 2: it's easier to do that rather than confront the real problem,
Speaker 2: which is the person. Do you have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, reducing crime isn't rocket science. You have to
Speaker 12: make it riskier for criminals to go and commit crime.
Speaker 12: To do that with higher rest rates, higher conviction rates,
Speaker 12: longer prison sentences, but also allowing victims to be able
Speaker 12: to go and defend themselves. All those things make it
Speaker 12: riskier for criminals to commit crime. And I guess what
Speaker 12: I would say is a couple of things. One is,
Speaker 12: at least they're consistent across the board. You know, you
Speaker 12: look at a lot of these democratic cities. They don't
Speaker 12: want to make it risky for criminals to commit crime
Speaker 12: in terms of law enforcement arresting them or punishment. You know,
Speaker 12: there are plenty of examples that we can give about
Speaker 12: how they immediately release the criminals that are there that
Speaker 12: they don't want to make them serve time in prison.
Speaker 12: But not only do they want to make it less
Speaker 12: risky for criminals to commit crime in terms of law
Speaker 12: and force in the criminal justice system, they also don't
Speaker 12: want to make it risky for criminals to commit crime
Speaker 12: in terms of letting victims be able to go and
Speaker 12: defend themselves. Look, you know, one of the big puzzles
Speaker 12: to me is Democrats will go and talk about racial
Speaker 12: justice in terms of prisons. So you will have people
Speaker 12: like you know, Alvin Bryde, the district attorney in Manhattan,
Speaker 12: New York City, or others Soros prosecutors who will say
Speaker 12: that you want to have people in jail equal to
Speaker 12: the racial percentage of their population. So if blacks make
Speaker 12: up thirteen percent of the population, they should make up
Speaker 12: thirteen percent of those in prison. Here's the problem, who
Speaker 12: do they think the victims of crime are? Victims of
Speaker 12: crime tend to be very similar to the perpetrators. Ninety
Speaker 12: percent of blacks are murdered by blacks. So if you're
Speaker 12: going to be you know, lenient on the criminals that
Speaker 12: are there, it means that people who are similar in
Speaker 12: terms of race and socioeconomic status are going to be
Speaker 12: the victims so why not care about the black victims
Speaker 12: that are there. You know, over half of the murders
Speaker 12: in the United States are committed by blacks, even though
Speaker 12: they make up about thirteen percent of the population.
Speaker 6: A lot of that is drug.
Speaker 12: Gang violence that's there, but they're killing other blacks overwhelmingly,
Speaker 12: And you know, it seems to me we should care
Speaker 12: about the victims there and try to keep them safe
Speaker 12: more than we should worry about the racial color of
Speaker 12: the people who are committing the crimes. But you know,
Speaker 12: there's a more basic issue also about why it is
Speaker 12: that liberals don't trust people to have guns for protection.
Speaker 12: And I think he sees again consistently across the board.
Speaker 12: You look at something like Obamacare. Obamacare basically takes away
Speaker 12: people's choices for what's going to be covered by their
Speaker 12: health insurance. The only choices you have under Obamacare is
Speaker 12: basically the size of the deductible that you're going to have.
Speaker 12: But what's covered, whether you're a seven year old woman,
Speaker 12: you're still covered for childbirth, that's there. You know, there
Speaker 12: are a lot of other weirder things that are in
Speaker 12: there too, and so you know the problem is if
Speaker 12: you don't trust somebody for being able to choose what
Speaker 12: their health insurance is going to cover. You're not going
Speaker 12: to trust them for something like whether they're going to
Speaker 12: have a weapon or not. And you know, it just
Speaker 12: it just comes down to whether or not you think
Speaker 12: people are able to make decisions for themselves in many
Speaker 12: situations or not.
Speaker 2: No, and I get that. You know, I've been in
Speaker 2: criminal justice system for fifty one years in one form
Speaker 2: or another, and I can tell you right now, let's
Speaker 2: just say Trump signed an executive order tomorrow banning all guns.
Speaker 2: These people are going to be able to find guns
Speaker 2: probably pretty darn easy.
Speaker 1: You're probably you're probably familiar with it.
Speaker 2: There's a phenomena called community guns where people in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood will go use the gun, do whatever they do
Speaker 2: with it, and put it back for someone else to use.
Speaker 2: It's just naive to think that you're going to ban
Speaker 2: your way out of this problem.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 2: It's just it's frustrating because a lot of people are dying, right.
Speaker 6: No, I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 12: Look and the major source of the legal guns are
Speaker 12: it looks like our drug gangs, you know you have.
Speaker 12: It's not like a drug gang can go to the
Speaker 12: police and say, look, this other gang stole or drugs,
Speaker 12: can you help us get them back. They have to
Speaker 12: set up their own little militaries in order to protect
Speaker 12: that extremely valuable property that they have. And if they're
Speaker 12: going to have a lot of weapons, they're going and
Speaker 12: they can make money selling drugs and they can make
Speaker 12: money selling weapons, They're going to do both.
Speaker 6: That's there.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 12: You can look at a country like Mexico, for example,
Speaker 12: Mexico used to be fairly unregulated in terms of gun ownerships.
Speaker 12: In nineteen seventy two, they essentially had very strict rules
Speaker 12: limiting guns. Only one gun store in the country, run
Speaker 12: by the military. The most powerful gun that you've been
Speaker 12: able to buy since nineteen seventy two is a bolt
Speaker 12: action twenty two caliber short round rifle. That's not the
Speaker 12: type of gun that that drug gigs are using, our
Speaker 12: cartels are using in Mexico. And yet the murder rate
Speaker 12: in Mexico has more than doubled since nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 6: You know, so if I could click my.
Speaker 12: Fingers and cause all guns in the United States to
Speaker 12: disappear and all illegal drugs, how long do you think
Speaker 12: it would be before illegal drugs start coming back into
Speaker 12: the United States supply in twenty minutes. If you're at
Speaker 12: I'll passo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Doc. Unfortunately we're out of
Speaker 2: time here. I really appreciate this discussion, and you know,
Speaker 2: I also too want to pitch again the Research Center,
Speaker 2: I mean the Crime Prevention Research Center.
Speaker 1: They really do a great job. It's a great website.
Speaker 2: And anyway, doctor John Lott, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: educating us on this subject.
Speaker 12: Well, happy Thanksgiving and people can find more at crimeresearch
Speaker 12: dot org crimeresearch dot org.
Speaker 4: But thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks doc. All Right, doctor John Lott. You know,
Speaker 2: and the left is going to continue to do it too.
Speaker 2: I mean, god forbid they could tell the truth about
Speaker 2: something in the media, and obviously this is important. Hey,
Speaker 2: we to take a break for the news. But when
Speaker 2: we get back. Last segment, we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. She's got a great
Speaker 2: story she just filed a couple of days ago about
Speaker 2: the last selection and you know, the question being are
Speaker 2: we really headed to socialism or not?
Speaker 1: So we'll talk to Janis when we get back.
Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're
Speaker 2: back Mike Allen seven hundred WLW before we get to
Speaker 2: our next guest. There's a story breaking a big, big,
Speaker 2: big fire.
Speaker 1: I guess it's in downtown Hong Kong.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to really read anything about it,
Speaker 2: but boy, I'm looking at the visual and it's bad.
Speaker 2: I think they're reporting, Oh my goodness, they're reporting thirteen
Speaker 2: deaths so far. So just wanted to let you know
Speaker 2: about that. Hey, despite the socialist surge in New York City,
Speaker 2: and I'll be they've got a big one with their
Speaker 2: new mayor, you know, moderates one in most other places,
Speaker 2: So maybe it's not as bad as we seem to
Speaker 2: think here to talk about it as a reporter who
Speaker 2: did a deep dive on it, not just a perfunctory article,
Speaker 2: but a deep dive on and I'm talking about Janie
Speaker 2: Heisel from the Epoch Times. Janis, thanks so much for calling.
Speaker 6: Us this morning, So thanks so much.
Speaker 13: I've got to tell you it's interesting for me as
Speaker 13: a reporter on the ground to see how things really
Speaker 13: are versus how they are often portrayed. Yes, and I
Speaker 13: did go to Minneapolis to cover the mayor's race there,
Speaker 13: and that's how I got this idea for this story
Speaker 13: to kind of compare and contrast what happened in Minneapolis
Speaker 13: versus what happens in New York and elsewhere. I actually
Speaker 13: also relied a lot on an article that I saw
Speaker 13: by the Manhattan Institute which kind of had sort of
Speaker 13: the same concept that I did. And the idea is
Speaker 13: that you know, in Minneapolis a lot you know, it's
Speaker 13: a lot smaller of a city. It's not in the
Speaker 13: spotlight the way New York it typically is, but you know,
Speaker 13: it was very interesting to see that them. There is
Speaker 13: an incumbent kind of more mainstream Democrat mayor named Jacob Fry,
Speaker 13: and he was challenged by what they call the mini Mandamy,
Speaker 13: a guy named Omart I'm not sure from saying his
Speaker 13: name correct correctly, but he is a He was involved
Speaker 13: in the state government there in Minnesota, and there was
Speaker 13: some you know, fair amount of like regional buzz and
Speaker 13: some national buzz over that because of the fact that
Speaker 13: he is also a Muslim and had some other democratic
Speaker 13: socialist policies that he shared similar to those of Mandanmi
Speaker 13: in New York. So in looking at these two situations
Speaker 13: in Minneapolis, the democratic socialist guy lost to the more
Speaker 13: moderate Democrat and.
Speaker 2: That how close was that race?
Speaker 1: I read, but I forget.
Speaker 13: You know, here's the problem which he's describing what happened
Speaker 13: in Minneapolis. They have this crazy ranked voice voting that
Speaker 13: we in Ohio don't understand. I had to like spend
Speaker 13: such an amount of time just to understand the bottom line.
Speaker 13: What happens is voters can pick. They can say I
Speaker 13: want Mike Allen is my first choice, he is my
Speaker 13: second choice, and Joe Schmoll is my third choice. So
Speaker 13: if Mike Allen doesn't get fifty percent of the vote
Speaker 13: in the first round of votes being counting, it goes
Speaker 13: back to say, okay, round two, how many people have
Speaker 13: Mike Allen as his second choice? And then if Mike
Speaker 13: Allen had you know, comes out ahead on that second round,
Speaker 13: then with at least fifty percent of the vote, then
Speaker 13: Mike Allen would win.
Speaker 9: So that's how it works.
Speaker 13: And it took me awhile to come up with that
Speaker 13: very rudimentary description of how it works. So initially the
Speaker 13: initial vote scout, I will say there was a ten
Speaker 13: percent divide between the incomment mayor and that Democratic Socialist challenger.
Speaker 13: So I think most people you know, again, right choice
Speaker 13: voting kind of show the monkey wrench into the calculation.
Speaker 13: But most people would say that was a pretty comfortable margin,
Speaker 13: and he, the incumbent, did pretty much say that. But
Speaker 13: he also didn't want to claim victory prematurely, so on
Speaker 13: election night he waited till the next day and then
Speaker 13: you know, it did get declared that he was the
Speaker 13: winner in the second round of the county.
Speaker 2: You know, you make the point in your story about
Speaker 2: gallup polling. I guess I think it's in September, the
Speaker 2: latest polls showed that the Democrats are the only partisan
Speaker 2: group of the three meaning Republican, Democrat, independent that views
Speaker 2: socialism more positively than capitalism. Released in September, the poll
Speaker 2: showed sixty six percent of Democrats viewed socialism in a
Speaker 2: positive light, and that's for the first time in that
Speaker 2: poll's history, fewer than half of the Democrats it was
Speaker 2: forty two percent favor capitalism. For Republicans, it was it
Speaker 2: was what you think, what you would expect from them.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure sounds to me janis like they're not
Speaker 2: backing away from it.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that.
Speaker 13: Well, there are indicators like that out there suggesting that
Speaker 13: you know, this socialism creep, especially when people put on
Speaker 13: the word democratic in spite of the word socialism. People,
Speaker 13: that sounds better, at least, this is the vibe I
Speaker 13: get from talking to people. That sounds better. It sounds
Speaker 13: okay to a lot of people. But then we roll
Speaker 13: down to what the policies really would do. A lot
Speaker 13: of people will probably buy a lot more concerned if
Speaker 13: they really really looked into some of that, because it
Speaker 13: does some of them more radical socialist policy.
Speaker 6: You do talk about.
Speaker 13: Things like, you know, community ownership of businesses rather than
Speaker 13: you know, independent ownership and property, and on and on,
Speaker 13: erosion of personal rights because it's all being done for
Speaker 13: the good of the people, so to speak. And so
Speaker 13: there's so it'll be interesting, as my article points out,
Speaker 13: what we're seeing across the country does appear to be
Speaker 13: this creep of socialism into especially through a lot of
Speaker 13: people who lean Democrat or are Democrat, but Republicans rejecting it.
Speaker 13: I mean, only fourteen percent of Republicans look favorably upon socialism.
Speaker 13: So it's kind of like the Republicans are holding the line,
Speaker 13: but independences are in there too holding that line. Thirty
Speaker 13: eight percent but viewed it favorably. Wow, only thirty compared
Speaker 13: to you know, much greater percentage of the sixty six
Speaker 13: percent of Democrats socially socialism positive manner. So very interesting
Speaker 13: trends going on in politics right now. And people are
Speaker 13: looking to New York to see if Mandami takes a
Speaker 13: really difficult situation there in New York and it becomes
Speaker 13: more of a big mess, people are going to go, whoa,
Speaker 13: do we want that for our community? So they're all
Speaker 13: eyes are on New York very much so. But I
Speaker 13: wanted to kind of also open people's eyes to maybe
Speaker 13: New York's not the norm. And it's hard to say
Speaker 13: right now.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, and that is a good part of
Speaker 2: the of the op ed piece. You know what, I
Speaker 2: think we're all kind of an uncharted territory here. But
Speaker 2: the thing, and you know, you can weigh in on
Speaker 2: this if you want. I had never been able to find,
Speaker 2: and I challenged people on the left an example where
Speaker 2: socialism has worked either in a city or a country.
Speaker 2: I mean, did you run into any of that, any
Speaker 2: anybody facing that reality?
Speaker 13: You know, That's something I'm still looking for to.
Speaker 9: Either.
Speaker 13: But and I don't know of anybody who has give me.
Speaker 6: A call if you do.
Speaker 13: But no, that's that's a great point. It's it's one
Speaker 13: of the biggest arguments I hear on the side that
Speaker 13: goes against socialism or democratic socialism, whatever brand name you
Speaker 13: want to give it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 13: And so once again, it's just going to be a
Speaker 13: very interesting time for everybody to keep an eye on
Speaker 13: what is going on in New York. But also maybe
Speaker 13: it was you know, at least take a glance over
Speaker 13: what happens in Minneapolis over there. That mayor has been
Speaker 13: in charge for the past eight years and he had
Speaker 13: to weather the whole George Floyd thing. My article points
Speaker 13: out when George Floyd was was killed in police custody,
Speaker 13: as we all remember, places especially Minneapolis, were on fire.
Speaker 13: People were just really really outraged, and that video you know,
Speaker 13: did shock people's conscience for sure. But with that said,
Speaker 13: the mayor, while condemning some of those actions of the police, said,
Speaker 13: you know, we don't need to cut, you know, defund
Speaker 13: the police. That doesn't help us. And he faced a
Speaker 13: lot of heat for that. And I was in Minneapolis
Speaker 13: and saw that. To this day, there are signs against
Speaker 13: the mayor in people's yards. There are Black Lives Matter signs,
Speaker 13: you know. There, there's a lot of palatable and visual
Speaker 13: signs that the mayor faced a lot of pushback over
Speaker 13: his refusal to defund the police, which was a big
Speaker 13: push there.
Speaker 2: What the heck is wrong with those people? I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't get it, But hey, let me ask you.
Speaker 2: Did you happen to see any footage of the Mondommie
Speaker 2: visit to President Trump in the Oval office?
Speaker 1: And if you did, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 14: Well?
Speaker 13: I did take a look at that, and what was
Speaker 13: I heard? One person described the encounter as rather collegial,
Speaker 13: so they exchanged some pretty copsteak barbs back and forth.
Speaker 13: But I guess maybe there's just sort of a recognition
Speaker 13: at least. This is just my impression that you got
Speaker 13: to work with the guy somehow and Trump, people who
Speaker 13: know Trump have all told me, and I think he's
Speaker 13: even publicly admitted this in many ways. Yet he is
Speaker 13: a New Yorker at heart.
Speaker 14: He does love of New York and it's really where
Speaker 14: he made his name, literally on the skyline there.
Speaker 13: And you know, he does want New York to succeed
Speaker 13: and to soar, and he doesn't want the place to
Speaker 13: crash and burn. He loves the place. So if that means,
Speaker 13: you know, doing what he can to sort of work
Speaker 13: with what he's what he has to work, which is
Speaker 13: the elected mayor. Now you know, but I also got
Speaker 13: the feeling that you know, and this is again based
Speaker 13: on just my observations of Trump, and I think most
Speaker 13: people would agree that Trump has a history of you
Speaker 13: can make nice with Trump, but you really cross him.
Speaker 14: He doesn't suffer that gladly, No, no question about it,
Speaker 14: No question about it.
Speaker 2: Hey, I wanted to ask that too, with the situation
Speaker 2: with if you want to possible breaks on the socialism movement,
Speaker 2: you make the point very well in the article Jannels
Speaker 2: that the various city councils, especially the one in New
Speaker 2: York City Mondommie's not going to be able to do
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate? That's how I'm reading it.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I interviewed a man who very succinctly put
Speaker 13: it that no single mayor or single person could turn
Speaker 13: an entire city communist or socialist or whatever you want
Speaker 13: to call it. And you know, that's what the American
Speaker 13: system of checks and balances, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 13: one of the saving graces of our system is that,
Speaker 13: you know, you can't just go in and make these
Speaker 13: sweeping changes, like the money is under under perhaps state
Speaker 13: control for some of these things that he wants to do,
Speaker 13: like the free bus rides for everybody and things like that.
Speaker 13: So if you can't get that funding, that proposal is
Speaker 13: going to go nowhere, right right. So one guy I interviewed,
Speaker 13: who was the former sheets of staff for the current
Speaker 13: mayor Eric Adams. He told me that some New New
Speaker 13: Yorkers really looked like a skance at these proposals and said,
Speaker 13: wait a minute, this seems misleading. He can't do that,
Speaker 13: And so he was talking about how to end the article.
Speaker 13: On a note he pretty much said, you know, although
Speaker 13: New Yorkers are a little wary about what's going to
Speaker 13: happen here, the New Yorkers are a tough lot. I
Speaker 13: think most people kind of know that you don't kind
Speaker 13: of most New Yorkers are kind of like Trump. They
Speaker 13: got kind of a rough edge and they they won't
Speaker 13: they don't put up with people messing around with him
Speaker 13: too much. And you know, they're resilient, and you know,
Speaker 13: look at what happened after you know, nine to eleven,
Speaker 13: you know, and the idea is that he really believes
Speaker 13: that the city, regardless of what this one mayor does,
Speaker 13: is going to be quote a robust city and at
Speaker 13: the center of commerce, culture and tourism despite his politics.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: And I gotta admit he has an impressive presence. He's
Speaker 2: only thirty four years old. In the Oval Office, he
Speaker 2: was standing, Trump was sitting very respectful to the president.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't agree with anything he does but
Speaker 2: or will do. I think the thing of it is, though,
Speaker 2: it was nice to see a little collegiality for once,
Speaker 2: and I didn't expect that.
Speaker 13: Some of Trump's base I don't think was too happy,
Speaker 13: I know, but you know, I think a lot of
Speaker 13: Americans would like to see people who are politically opposed
Speaker 13: able to set aside those differences to get things done.
Speaker 13: Just enough to do that, and they go back to
Speaker 13: scrapping if.
Speaker 6: They need to.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't get a chance. I really don't.
Speaker 2: And it busts apart families too, I know all too well.
Speaker 2: You know, you got family oh way up on the
Speaker 2: on the top and politics way down. And nobody's ever
Speaker 2: seen a phenomena like that before. And somebody was saying
Speaker 2: the other day, and whoever it was, I valued their
Speaker 2: opinion that the DSM Diagnostic Statistics Manual. I think it's called, uh,
Speaker 2: they're thinking about making that an actual.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it, mental illness or whatever.
Speaker 13: I know this yeah, diagnosis. Yeah, you know. All I
Speaker 13: can say is that it is really sad. I think
Speaker 13: we all can cite examples from our lives where people
Speaker 13: have become so polarized that family won't talk to family.
Speaker 13: Coming up on Thanksgiving tomorrow, you gotta watch what you
Speaker 13: talk about. But I've even heard that quite a few
Speaker 13: people have given their their relatives like the brush off.
Speaker 13: Even if there wasn't an art, if they just found
Speaker 13: out that, you know, you voted for Biden, I can't
Speaker 13: talk to you. You voted for Trump.
Speaker 6: I can't talk to you. You're cut off.
Speaker 13: I'm not you know, there's no wasn't even an argument.
Speaker 13: It was just sort of like after they found out
Speaker 13: the political leanings, the family's pretty much had an emotional divorce.
Speaker 11: I guess you could call it right.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. And you see that on
Speaker 2: the left quite a bit. But I've never seen a
Speaker 2: case where and I'm sure there are some out there
Speaker 2: where a Republican said, hey, man, you know you voted
Speaker 2: against what I wanted.
Speaker 1: You voted for Kamala. I'm done with you. It's all
Speaker 1: on the other side. It seems like, well that's what
Speaker 1: I've heard.
Speaker 13: But I don't have any evidence to support that. But
Speaker 13: I like away from that. But if we have another minute,
Speaker 13: like there's something I wanted to raise.
Speaker 1: Yes, we do have just about a minute.
Speaker 13: Ye, what I'm working on right now. So I just
Speaker 13: turned in a story that is really really fascinating that
Speaker 13: talks about the massive welfare fraud that is happening in Minnesota.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, two years.
Speaker 1: Of dollars the Somalians that were supposed.
Speaker 13: To go to hungry kids, right the homes, et cetera.
Speaker 13: And Somalis were getting a hold with money by filing
Speaker 13: fraudulent claims, sending a lot of it back to Somalia
Speaker 13: and allegedly this is being investigated ending up in the
Speaker 13: hands of terrorists there that mean harmony.
Speaker 6: The United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I read a little bit. It's
Speaker 2: unbelievable they're doing all this stuff with our money. It's
Speaker 2: just how that could have happened is beyond me.
Speaker 1: So you wrote about it.
Speaker 13: Is that what you're saying and hasn't been published yet.
Speaker 13: It is now making its way through our system. But
Speaker 13: I'm actually going to be doing a really in death
Speaker 13: support on that as well. Some of these scannels have
Speaker 13: been actually brewing. Charges were initially filed in twenty twenty
Speaker 13: two in one case and there are now seventy eight
Speaker 13: defendants charge. Wow, with that one scandal one of the
Speaker 13: three major scandals, and several more minor scandals too.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Boy, that's going to be one to watch.
Speaker 2: Janis really appreciates you coming in and filling us in
Speaker 2: on all this and hope we can call on you again.
Speaker 13: Well sure, and I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 13: Play nice at the dinner table.
Speaker 1: People, you have a great Thanksgiving, Janis, thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Uh Hi, thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm overtime here. I did want to
Speaker 2: thank my great producer, Big Dave Keaton.
Speaker 1: I will be back.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow noon to three Willie shift, So have some good
Speaker 2: guests and hopefully some calls. Mike Allen seven hundred WLW