WEBVTT - 11-26-25 Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to be an American idio.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Slowne today,

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<v Speaker 2>be in for Willie tomorrow. On today being Thanksgiving Eve,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure everybody's thinking about either getting out of town

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<v Speaker 2>for a little bit or just hanging around the house

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<v Speaker 2>with friends, stuffing yourself. That will be my choice this year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good holiday. I like it. It comes on

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<v Speaker 2>a Thursday, and almost everybody takes Friday off, but not me,

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<v Speaker 2>not this year at any rate. A lot going on

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<v Speaker 2>with respect to Thanksgiving. But the one thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk a little bit about this morning is

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<v Speaker 2>according to the President, Thanksgiving is going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot cheaper this year. This again is from the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I mean, I think there's stuff accurate,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe puffing it up a little bit. Retailers offering

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<v Speaker 2>their cheapest Thanksgiving meals in years. Walmart's Thanksgiving meal cost

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent less than it last year, with its

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<v Speaker 2>lowest turkey price since twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The meal feeds ten people, which works out to just

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<v Speaker 1>under four bucks a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I've never priced anything like that, but that surprises

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<v Speaker 2>me that I thought it would be much even of

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<v Speaker 2>inflation aside, much more than that. But this thing from

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<v Speaker 2>Walmart's the meal feeds ten people, which works out to

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<v Speaker 2>just under four bucks per person. Leady l I d

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<v Speaker 2>Ella little. I guess that's a grocery chain obviously. Not here,

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<v Speaker 2>their Thanksgiving meal costs ten dollars less than last year.

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<v Speaker 2>In all these their meal costs seven dollars less than

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<v Speaker 2>last year. Lowest priced since twenty nineteen, Target, or Tarja

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<v Speaker 2>as we call it on the West Side.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's lowest price ever. As well, it looks like it's

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<v Speaker 2>the lowest price for turkey in over fifteen years, at

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<v Speaker 2>least according to the White House. So I mean some

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<v Speaker 2>good news there. And I'll tell you don't need a

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper or a news story to know stuff is expensive, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, things are getting cheaper, but it's really really expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's some times when I go to buy stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe how much it is. But under President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>it's trending down somewhat. So I guess that's a good

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<v Speaker 2>news in that. Let's see, Yeah, the Thanksgiving me twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent less than last year. Again, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>know what's in that box. You know what I've done

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times. I haven't done it in about

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<v Speaker 2>three or four years, is fry my turkey. Went out

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<v Speaker 2>and got one of those that looks like a small

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<v Speaker 2>garbage can thing. You fill it up with vegetable oil.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to be really careful and you got to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it put it in there. My recollection is, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's about forty to fifty minutes or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. If you do it right, which I was

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<v Speaker 2>fortunate enough to do when I used to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>it is unbelievable and I want to do it again someday. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've had an experience with that, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you. Seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>the big one are the numbers going to have open

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<v Speaker 2>lines from nine thirty to ten. So if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to weigh in on Thanksgiving or anything else for that matter,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it. Then some interesting and I know

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<v Speaker 2>everybody does this, but I don't know. I think people

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. Some interesting facts about Thanksgiving and sing in

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit the Native American view of it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a national holiday and this is from AI. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what.

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<v Speaker 1>I use AI a lot. I've found it to be accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>They always give both sides of the coin, which you

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<v Speaker 2>can't ask for more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, according to.

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<v Speaker 2>AI, Thanksgiving is a national holiday that some Native Americans

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<v Speaker 2>view as a national day of mourning because of its

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<v Speaker 2>origins and the historical oppression of Indigenous peoples, while Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>People's Day is a holiday that specifically celebrates Native American

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<v Speaker 2>and other indigenous cultures and histories. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any problem with an Indigenous People Day. As a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, I think we probably ought to have one,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think we ought to separate it from Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving is what it is and what it's been for

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<v Speaker 2>I think goes back to eighteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to be care for what I say here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna say it. If ever there was a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people in this country that were screwed, it's

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<v Speaker 2>Native Americans. I mean, there's just no way around it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, through the years, I believe there's been

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<v Speaker 2>reparations to them and government support for a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But what an incredibly proud people. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe I think they've done this before, likeness

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<v Speaker 2>on a coin or something like that. But again I

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<v Speaker 2>say keep just keep it separate. Anyway, Thanksgiving with free

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<v Speaker 2>from the perspective of the Native American some of them,

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<v Speaker 2>not all, not all. I did my homework on this

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<v Speaker 2>referred to it as a national day of mourning. For

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<v Speaker 2>many Indigenous people, Thanksgiving is a day to commemorate, let's

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<v Speaker 2>see the genocide, displacement, and cultural erasure of their ancestors.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why some refer to it as the national

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<v Speaker 2>Day of Morning or un Thanksgiving, and they hold protests

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<v Speaker 2>and ceremonies. Well, I tell you something, AI, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen that. I've never seen a protest, and I watched

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<v Speaker 2>stuff pretty carefully from Native American people or anybody else

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<v Speaker 2>with respect to Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's just not there. It's just not

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<v Speaker 1>there anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Traditional narrative, I mean, the one that we have been

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with and believing for as long as I've been alive,

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<v Speaker 2>and well before that mainstream Thanksgiving story portrays a harmonious

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<v Speaker 2>harvest feast in sixteen twenty one shared by English pilgrims.

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<v Speaker 1>And the wamp I want to get this right.

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<v Speaker 2>Wamp A no ogg try tribe. Here's the story, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've read a lot about this just in the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days. Apparently the and I just hope I

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<v Speaker 2>get this right. The Wampanoa tribe heard they heard some

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<v Speaker 2>gunshots coming from a settlement where some of the settlers were.

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<v Speaker 2>And believe it or not, this Indian tribe or Native

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<v Speaker 2>American tribe whatever had an agreement, a mutual defense agreement

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<v Speaker 2>with the settlers, and so they rode in in defense

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<v Speaker 2>of the settlers. Well, anyway, whatever happened happened, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>when Thanksgiving feast happened. So I don't know, it's just again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we should screw with Thanksgiving being when

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But I have no problem with recognizing Native

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<v Speaker 2>Americans in this country. Now, I've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>research on this, and I did try to find a poll,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found one, but it was really old, a

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<v Speaker 2>poll that talks about whether American Indians prefer being called

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<v Speaker 2>American Indians or Indigenous people. It was about fifty to fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, with respect to the you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>football teams and monuments and things like that, the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty overwhelming. Where Native American people could care less,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of them actually support it as a tribute,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, I think that's maybe how people

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<v Speaker 2>should look at it. Well, let's do this. Let's take

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<v Speaker 2>a short break. If you want to call, seven four nine,

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand, one, eight hundred the big one are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get you on Mike Allen in for Slowey seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred WLW, NWNE twenty one News Radio, seven hundred WLW,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Allen in for Sloaney today and I'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>for Willly noon to three tomorrow. Yeah, I just mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals game Thursday, Thursday at It's a night game

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<v Speaker 2>eight on NBC. Bengals Ravens. Here's the thing, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to the calls here in just a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe some of you had helped me with this too.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven four nine, seven eight hundred, The big one are

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers. Okay, Joe Burrow apparently is going to start.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to start. I guess he's chomping at the

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<v Speaker 2>bit from what I've heard and what I've read. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. I guess my thinking is

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<v Speaker 2>this the season's gone. I mean, come on, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way they're going to get into the playoffs. They're just

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do it. You know, a Joe Flacco

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<v Speaker 2>has done one hell of a job. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>just no way around that. I guess, why risk it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why risk it? I mean, you know, the Bengals for

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<v Speaker 2>better or worse, and I don't think it was for

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<v Speaker 2>the better. Pretty much. The team is Joe Burrow and

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<v Speaker 2>some receivers and that's it. They need to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>the defense. But I don't know i'd be interested in

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<v Speaker 2>what you think about that. I love watching Joe Burrow play,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also like watching Flacco play as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens. But on the way in this

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<v Speaker 2>morning the news reports, words sounded that pretty definite. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>as promised, let's go to the calls. Randy, Hello, Randy,

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, Mike.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Thanksgiving me, Happy Thanksgiving to you. Also, I just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to comments that you had the reason that Walmart

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<v Speaker 3>Thanksgiving dinners or lowers because it's a lost leader, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we believe all this scrap coming out of the White

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<v Speaker 3>House instead of believe the companies that measure statistics and

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<v Speaker 3>do this on a full time Pagen start out.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, Randy, are you out in the wind there? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>There you are?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeh, I am Could you just repeat your last sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I don't think people got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was just saying that the reason that the

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<v Speaker 3>prices are cheap at Walmart because it's a lost leader right.

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<v Speaker 1>To get people into the store.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah, I think we should say that the White

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<v Speaker 3>House is coming up with something that is really meaningful

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<v Speaker 3>and it's correct. Well, let me ask like everything else

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<v Speaker 3>that's comes out of the lighthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, well, well, let me ask you something.

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<v Speaker 2>If the situation were different, uh, and things were up,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, like they were under Joe Biden. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>would you be saying, you know that, Hey, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's not that bad and ain't Biden's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>I do understand what you're saying. And there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of puffery in this stuff, and I take that into consideration.

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<v Speaker 2>But what the hell? I mean, what's inflation at three

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<v Speaker 2>and a half percent? It got all the way up

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<v Speaker 2>to I think nine under Biden? And you know what

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<v Speaker 2>the thing of it is from. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>much about economics at all, but I think what I

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<v Speaker 2>do know is the president doesn't have a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do with it. And if the economy

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<v Speaker 2>is good, the president reaps the benefits. If it's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>the president takes the hits. I don't know, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>reason that inflation was so high in the Biden was

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<v Speaker 3>because of COVID. People blamed Biden for inflation, but every

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<v Speaker 3>industrialized evopnation in the world was having record inflation, but

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<v Speaker 3>yet we blamed Biden for it. Well, but UK was

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<v Speaker 3>having inflation, China, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that they had it as bad as us.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right, Well, if you want to point the

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<v Speaker 2>finger of Biden, you're right. I mean, he puts so

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<v Speaker 2>much money. He just pumped so much money into the economy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the COVID packages and things like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I support people. I mean, I'm a problem

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<v Speaker 2>at all with him helping out, but all that dough

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<v Speaker 2>into the system is one of the things that many

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<v Speaker 2>people say caused it. But at any rate, I sure

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<v Speaker 2>hope the damn things going down now. You do have

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<v Speaker 2>to admit gas prices are down substantially.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, That's another thing when you say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we blame the president for the economic situation when they're

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<v Speaker 3>not responsible for it. It's the same thing with gas prices.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we had the highest gas prices. People think

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<v Speaker 3>we had the highest gas prices under Biden. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you applied just a two percent inflation rate to what

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<v Speaker 3>we had in two thousand and eight under George Bush,

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<v Speaker 3>the average gas price would have been like five dollars

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<v Speaker 3>a gallon. And when people blamed George Bush in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight for the high gas prices, all he

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<v Speaker 3>did is he shrugged his shoulders and just I don't

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<v Speaker 3>control the gas prices. And that was the end of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, under Biden we got this whole thing about

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<v Speaker 3>gas prices. And another reason gas prices spiked so much

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<v Speaker 3>under Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just because reality that the president takes the blame

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<v Speaker 2>or gets the credit.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, listen, I appreciate the call.

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<v Speaker 4>Serious, seriously, Okay, than thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You very much. You know, I like it when people

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<v Speaker 2>call and disagree with me. I don't get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that on Saturdays, but I try. Let's talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Rob in Lebanon. Hey, good morning, Rob.

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<v Speaker 5>Good morning, Happy Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 4>Good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>We doo.

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<v Speaker 5>In the early eighties, I attended Colorado State and on

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<v Speaker 5>a work study program. So part of the deal was

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<v Speaker 5>I had to do work study jobs during the summers,

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<v Speaker 5>and they were on Indian reservations in eastern Colorado, and

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<v Speaker 5>the land the reservations were on were rocky, difficult to

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<v Speaker 5>grow crops. They were the most respectful people I'd ever met.

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<v Speaker 5>They needed help to get groceries, they needed help to

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<v Speaker 5>clear fields, while there were thousands of acres around the

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<v Speaker 5>reservations that were are very easy to grow crops on.

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<v Speaker 5>So I respect them, and I feel like our country

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<v Speaker 5>could have treated them a lot better than we did.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree with you more, you know, And they do.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the casinos now, but that's not the be

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<v Speaker 2>all to end all. I do think they get a stipend.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what tribe you were just talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't, no problem. I was just curious.

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<v Speaker 4>There were three different ones.

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<v Speaker 5>One was Cherokee, and to be honest, I forget the

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<v Speaker 5>other two. But they living conditions they lived under were

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<v Speaker 5>not good, but they did the best they could and

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<v Speaker 5>they weren't negative about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, they are very, very proud people.

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<v Speaker 4>They are.

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<v Speaker 5>And anyways, I give them all the respect in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>They had a tough road.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, man, I'm with you. I'm with you, Rob. The

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<v Speaker 2>only problem is I'm bumping up against the news. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for the call, though, appreciate it. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think we should do everything within our power

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<v Speaker 2>to help the Native Americans, Indians whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 2>call them. But it's got to be within reason.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, seeing poverty and things like that, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been on an Indian reservation. We need to take

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<v Speaker 2>care of those people, but not make them wards of

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<v Speaker 2>the government. Hey, we got to take a break. Butt

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back your calls again. Seven four nine,

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand, one, eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Allen in for SLOWE seven hundred WL.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty funky there, Dave. Bet your back there in the

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<v Speaker 1>control room stepping out for that good stuff. Anyway, nine p.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty seven we are back, got open lines seven four nine,

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand, one eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>The first caller I believe that we took didn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to want to give Trump credit for falling gas prices.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if anything, I think he deserves credit

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<v Speaker 2>for that. I really do. I mean, you think about

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<v Speaker 2>what he did with respect to drill baby drill, fracking,

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<v Speaker 2>building new or facilitating the building of new facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>So he opened it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the idiotic controls regulations that Joe Biden had

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<v Speaker 2>on the fuel industry, that's what killed it. So we

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<v Speaker 2>got to give him credit for that. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still a deal no matter what. And Bill Clinton was

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<v Speaker 2>elected because of this. If the economy sucks, President's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get some grief about it. If it's great, the

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<v Speaker 2>President is going to be touting it all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about and talking about touting things. I'm want to

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<v Speaker 2>preface this with this is from the White House. Put

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<v Speaker 2>out a press release What's the data of this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>November twenty fourth. It is titled more relief on the

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<v Speaker 2>way as economic wins bring savings to gas pump Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>tables and what Trump does sometimes on these things, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a minimum of him or the administration making the point

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<v Speaker 2>that he wants to make. He leaves it to local

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<v Speaker 2>media to do that for him because he doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>he gets a fair shake from the mainstream media. That

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<v Speaker 2>would be the understatement of the decade. They hate him,

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<v Speaker 2>They screw him at every turn. So you know, mister President,

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<v Speaker 2>do what you gotta do. Just a few of them

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<v Speaker 2>here kind of addresses the gas price then too, we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from.

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<v Speaker 2>KDVRTV and Denver headline cheapest gas prices in Denver hit

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<v Speaker 2>less than two dollars Sunday ahead of Thanksgiving weekend. Just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple sentences of the story. Gas prices in December

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<v Speaker 2>are trending down just in time for the busy Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>travel weekend, with one station in the city even hitting

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<v Speaker 2>less than two bucks on Sunday. And I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>see that here. That's according to gas Buddy. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what that is. Just in the last week, gas

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<v Speaker 2>prices in Denver I've fallen fourteen cents on the galling gallon,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting two point four to seven per gallon. That was

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<v Speaker 2>last week, anyway, gas Buddy reports that the number is

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<v Speaker 2>lower than the national average of three dollars and three

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<v Speaker 2>cents per gallon. Talking about that two bucks and two

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven in Denver, So I do think you have

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<v Speaker 2>to give him credit for that. It's again, Biden had

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<v Speaker 2>so many idiotic rules against fracking, and you know you

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<v Speaker 2>weren't allowed to drill here, you weren't allowed to drill there.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he had to please and suck up to

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<v Speaker 2>his radical liberal base of the environmentalists. So Trump could

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<v Speaker 2>care less what they think, as could I. Okay, ksat

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<v Speaker 2>TV San Antonio, Texas headline, san Antonio gas price is

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<v Speaker 2>set to hit pandemic era lows for Thanksgiving. Just one

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<v Speaker 2>sentence on this one. San Antonio drivers may have noticed

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<v Speaker 2>some interesting movement at the pump this week. Thanksgiving travelers

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<v Speaker 2>are still expected to see cheaper gas at the pump

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<v Speaker 2>compared to last year. Now ask yourself this question. Would

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<v Speaker 2>there be besides five? Maybe would there be any mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>news outlet, you know, Washington Post, New York Times, ABC, CBS,

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<v Speaker 2>NBC that would say that No, there's just no way,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to give Trump the credit for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if we can move on from gas prices here,

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<v Speaker 2>what else has he got?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>This is from Shreveport, Louisiana. Thanksgiving dinner with turkey is

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<v Speaker 2>bargain in Louisiana, where costs are below US average. Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>family feast to feed ten people in Louisiana this year

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<v Speaker 2>is more affordable than any other state in the US

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<v Speaker 2>except for Arkansas. I think they have a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>chickens in Arkansas. Is that where one of the big

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<v Speaker 2>producers is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, it's the cheapest in any state except Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's according to the American.

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<v Speaker 2>Farm Bureau Cost Survey, the cost for eleven market turkey

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<v Speaker 2>basket eleven market turkey basket items including a whole frozen

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<v Speaker 2>turkey in Louisiana and twenty twenty five is forty four

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<v Speaker 2>seventy That's more than ten bucks cheaper than the national average.

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<v Speaker 2>So you gotta have your Thanksgiving dinner in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm here to tell you I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>My daughter went undergrad to spring Hill College that's in Mobile,

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<v Speaker 2>about a two and a half hour drive to get

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<v Speaker 2>to New Orleans. From there, my daughter made it I

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<v Speaker 2>think about half of that time. Anyway, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving feast. I forget the name of the restaurant, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>they do it up right down there, not exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>we have here, but it was really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It was good to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that just gives you an idea, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>of what Trump. Thanks, as far as the price is

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<v Speaker 2>going down on gas and other things. Hey, we got

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<v Speaker 2>a call. Let's talk to Larry in Hamilton. Hey, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing doing well?

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<v Speaker 6>Mike, You and I are old friends.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure you know who I.

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<v Speaker 6>Am back in my top days around Coryan.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How you doing Larry?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm doing fantastic, glove listening to you even on a Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 7>yeah day. Now, that previous caller that was somewhat negative

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<v Speaker 7>about Trump, he's forgetting. What Trump is doing today is

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<v Speaker 7>planting seeds for the future. He is a businessman, and

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<v Speaker 7>you think for a minute he doesn't have influence on

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<v Speaker 7>the pricing. Yes, he does across the country, all the

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<v Speaker 7>stuff that he's doing. People aren't giving him enough credit

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<v Speaker 7>for all the stuff he's doing on a worldwide basis,

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<v Speaker 7>But even at home, he's planting the seeds for economic

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<v Speaker 7>growth in the near future. But it's not hop thing

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<v Speaker 7>fast enough for the certain groups of people. And I

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<v Speaker 7>think you're doing a fantastic job, are you too.

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<v Speaker 2>People people want the instant results though, Larry, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just what we're geared towards in this society. They

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<v Speaker 2>want it down and I don't want it down now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is going down, but it's still too high.

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<v Speaker 7>Fast, fast food, fast everything, driving up window to the bank,

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<v Speaker 7>drive up window to everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Now think about this, let me switch gears.

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<v Speaker 4>For just a second.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, So think about all the money that was going

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<v Speaker 7>to the Somaulians up in Minnesota and the I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>you talk about a crime that's that's ridiculous, and the

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<v Speaker 7>big media doesn't want to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh of course not no, of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I thought it reached at least a billion, possibly more,

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<v Speaker 2>just out and out damn theft. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>whoever released that money to them ought to have to

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<v Speaker 2>pay the price.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're absolutely right about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, remember when Trump came in, and there's a second

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<v Speaker 2>or third day he got rid of that USAID agency

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<v Speaker 2>that was, you know, throwing our taxpayer dollars around for

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<v Speaker 2>sesame street for people in Egypt, shit stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 7>And my last, but not least, that crap about telling

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<v Speaker 7>soldiers that they don't have to abide by an unlawful order.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my gosh, what more can you do to undermine

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<v Speaker 7>the integrity of our military by planting the seed that

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<v Speaker 7>they can disobey an order. That's called treason. You get

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<v Speaker 7>court martialed. Now, at the end of the day. I

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<v Speaker 7>had a conversation with a coworker the other day about

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<v Speaker 7>the illegal the gentleman that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was at the.

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<v Speaker 7>Children's hospital that blah blah blah when he was put

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<v Speaker 7>into jail in Butler County.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he an illegal if of the United States.

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<v Speaker 7>The answer is yes, Okay, So the fact that he

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<v Speaker 7>was a minister or whatever doesn't make any difference. That's

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<v Speaker 7>that's such a kind of a wrong ideology. Well, because

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<v Speaker 7>he is a minister, he should be treated different.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, you know that that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We're all to be treated equal. At the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the day.

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<v Speaker 7>That was such the argument or discussion I was in

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<v Speaker 7>with a coworker about that person being incarcerated. The fact is,

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<v Speaker 7>on that day he was incarcerated.

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<v Speaker 4>Was he here illegally?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, he was going to a process, but at the

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<v Speaker 6>time he was here illegally. Therefore he should have been.

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<v Speaker 7>Dealt with otherwise it's predatory, you know, application of the

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<v Speaker 7>of you know the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, listen to this, maybe you heard it and

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<v Speaker 2>it came from the view, So you know they're idiots

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<v Speaker 2>that one of those persons on the view, I forget

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<v Speaker 2>which one said it was. It's racist to call them

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<v Speaker 2>illegal aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what the hell.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're here, they trespassed into our country trade of

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<v Speaker 2>federal law.

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<v Speaker 1>They're criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can, you can try to minimize that

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<v Speaker 2>as much as you want, but that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are in a point in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I'll never figure this out where the left, the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats care more about people that trespassed into our country

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>than they do ordinary Americans. I hope people are getting

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>fed up with that, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll.

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<v Speaker 7>See Michael calling them racist is putting lipstick on a pig.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotcha, Hey, man, I gotta let you know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for the call so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk to lou in beautiful Harrison and I mean that, Hey,

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>lou how you.

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 4>Doing, talk to you? Pat? Sorry about yourself?

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Good? I'm good. I'm good. What you got for me?

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 3>And so I was listening earlier when you're talking about with.

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 8>The Thanksgiving comment about how a lot of people are

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 8>just trying to hold protests about Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 4>What thing that kind of bothers.

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<v Speaker 8>Me is that, you know, yeah, it's very easy to

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<v Speaker 8>focus on the past of what happened, but it's the

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 8>whole purpose of the holiday itself is just to give

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 8>thanks for the things.

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 9>That you have in the future, in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>And in now. Right man, It's like life is just

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<v Speaker 3>too short.

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<v Speaker 10>And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not trying to boast,

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 10>but I work in an emergency department, and so you

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.439
<v Speaker 10>can imagine, like how many times a day that we

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 10>see things that are horrible, and it's just, you know,

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 10>like I'll tell people all the time, like be thankful

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 10>for the things that you have, because it could have

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 10>been a lot worse than what it is right now.

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 10>And especially it's like I'll tell you this, I'm thankful

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 10>for my family. I'm thankful for being an American, and

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 10>I'm thankful for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike.

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 3>You're a good guy.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Lou. I appreciate that. That's very kind.

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 6>All right, Warries, buddy, you take care of yourself, all right, you.

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Too, have a great Thanksgiving? All right.

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Hey, we got Bill for Montgomery. Let's talk to him. Hey, Bill,

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>you're on the air.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 6>Bhi, Mike, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, absolutely loud and clear.

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 11>Great, Mike, you actually helped me with an opinion piece

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 11>in the Inquirer for supporting Orlando Sonza. Oh actually, yeah,

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 11>So I'm actually calling about a couple of days ago.

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 11>You had been talking about elections and how we've lost

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 11>Hamilton County. And it's been one of my theories or

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 11>observation for decades now that we have lost Hamilton County

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 11>because we surrendered our public school institutions.

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>And what do you mean by that?

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I think you're onto something, but what what, what exactly

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:46.239
<v Speaker 2>do you mean by that?

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Bill surrendered the institutions?

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<v Speaker 11>And you know, and Mike, this didn't even conjecture. Randy Weingardner,

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<v Speaker 11>she's still the second largest teacher union, awful, said that

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 11>she believes politics should be in needs to be in

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 11>the classroom. I know the teacher unions. Yeah so they

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 11>And by the way, something I don't think most people

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 11>were aware of until recently, Randy Winegardner and Becky Pringle,

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 11>the presidents of the two largest teacher unions, serve on

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 11>the Democratic National Committee.

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't doubt it. If you remember Bill during COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>They found out that whether it was the NEA or AFT,

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 2>both the two strong teachers unions, they were signing off

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 2>on some of the regulations that Biden was putting in

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>place for going back to work. They actually sent it

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to them. And let me tell you another boy, you

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>hit a nerve here. I do my research for this show.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it a long time. I like doing it. Never,

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 2>not once ever have I heard either Randy Winingartner or

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the president of the other union say anything about educating

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>our children.

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Nothing.

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 2>It's all politics. They shake down their members for contributions.

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>They're too damn powerful.

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<v Speaker 11>I think, right absolutely, and Mike as it pertains to that.

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 11>And I'm in the process of writing another opinion piece

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 11>into the Acquirer, which.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if they'll run.

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>Are you familiar with what's going on in the Sycamore

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 11>Communities school system?

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>No, not really what's going on with them?

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 11>So back in September of twenty twenty four, the president

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 11>of the teacher union that it's the Sycamore Education Association.

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 11>They're a local affiliate for the NEA, the National Education Association,

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 11>which Becky Pringle was president of Okay and they're the

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 11>largest teacher union. The president of the teacher the local

0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 11>teacher union went to a school board meeting. Several people

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 11>felt she was intoxicated, which she later on a menuted

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 11>that she was on sedatives and had an alcoholic drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 11>She exposed herself at least two to three times, which

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 11>was caught in surveillance camera. Then she bullied a female

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 11>co worker. Then she made a comment loud enough for

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 11>other people in the area to hear that she's there

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 11>was a black principal at the school honoring black students

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 11>with an award, and she said, and I quote, what

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 11>is an incompetent black man doing up there? Black and

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 11>man were synonymous. So long story short, Mike is the

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 11>school board which has been the majority of the school board,

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 11>has been supported, endorsed, and even funded by the teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it really is. Bill. I'm running out of time,

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>but that's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Please call back, Okay, thank you.

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, just one other thing to add to what

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Bill said.

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>What we have to do and I don't know how

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 2>it went in this last election, and we were doing

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty good on it for a while. We have to

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>get mothers fathers, people with kids in school on these

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:22.239
<v Speaker 2>local school boards. Again, Hamilton County's getting to be a

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>tougher nut to crack for Republicans. But the school board

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 2>races are down ballot races. That's where we would have

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>a good chance. I think that has to happen. The

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>other thing, parents have to look at the books that

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>their kids are bringing home. They have to do that

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>to see what's being taught to their kids. You know what,

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 2>My parents never had to do that, but because they

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to, they didn't have to. But I think

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I think parents now should do that. Hey, listen, we

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 2>got to take a break for the news, but I

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>think you're going to like this next segment. Dennis Whitehead.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 2>He's an author of a book about the Cincinnati Strangler.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, if you're anywhere near my age

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>ten years give or take, you're gonna really find this

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>interesting talking about post see Laski, the Cincinnati Strangler, and

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>he wrote a very very thorough book about it. And

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk to Dennis when we get back. Mike Allen

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>in for Slowey seven hundred WLW. You want to be

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 2>an Americanity News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen Saturday.

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I do that at least once every time I sub

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>for somebody else. We'll talk to you Saturday midday on Saturday.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm in for Slowney today, I'm in for Willie tomorrow. Hey,

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>before we before Friday, thank you, Dave. Before we get

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>to our guests, I just want to let you know

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:55.240
<v Speaker 2>what we've got cooking going forward. At ten thirty, Steve Gooden,

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Legal analyst, Steve Gooden, Boy, we're going to talk about

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the absolute debas buckle with the Komy and Leticia James indictments.

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Doj is not looking good on that, and going to

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 2>ask Steve if the case can be refiled and what

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the effect will be. At eleven o'clock, doctor John Lott,

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 2>always a good guest, did a really good piece about

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>how the left lies about children dying by guns, absolute lies,

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk to him at eleven. Finally, batting cleanup

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>is our friend Janie Heisel from the Epoch Times. She

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 2>just fould a great story on the election a few

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago and how that relates to our journey into

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 2>socialism or maybe not so anyway, Hey, before we do that, though,

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I've been looking forward to this if you are my

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 2>age or around there, you'll remember this. It just rocked

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>this town. I'm talking about Postelaski to Cincinnati Strangler.

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.479
<v Speaker 1>It was a huge deal.

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>And Dennis is going to tell you this whole community

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 2>was just in such fear of this guy. Women were

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 2>going out and buying more locks for the doors, the

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. Anyway, Dennis White had He's an ou gred

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a graduate of Hiring a university. He's a writer, photographer,

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and media producer. Again, like I said, from Cincinnati, but

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 2>now living in Arlington, Virginia. Dennis, thanks for calling in

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>this morning.

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<v Speaker 9>Good morning Mike.

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me my pleasure. Yeah, you know, I'm

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>sure you heard the intro. Did I sum that up right?

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:41.439
<v Speaker 2>And what I was going to ask you to do,

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>if you could, is just give us an overview on

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 2>what was going on in this city between December of

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I think it was sixty five, in December of sixty six.

0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:01.959
<v Speaker 9>Well, in essence, it was a period when Cincinnati really

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 9>lost its innocens. Nationally, Vietnam was building the March for

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 9>Civil Rights, it was well underway. There was violence attached

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 9>to it. Tension was building and building in this period,

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 9>so people were already on edge when suddenly women were

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 9>being found strangled to death. Initially, pardon me, thought to

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 9>be just on the east side of town. Suddenly the

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 9>second murder was in Price Hill.

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 9>Now police knew that they had a citywide problem. So

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 9>that grew the tension, the anxieties, yes, with fear that

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 9>people felt.

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember it and one of the things as kids,

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.399
<v Speaker 2>we absolutely hated this.

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>It was at that.

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Time when the decision was made, probably nineteen sixty six

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 2>October sixty sixth. Decision was made. You're not going out

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>at night trick or treating. If you want to go out,

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 2>you're doing it during the day. We were none too

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>happy about it, but in retrospect, I think it was

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>probably a good idea.

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>And again and it was moved.

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 9>It was moved to Sunday as well, so it wasn't

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 9>even on the thirty first.

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I didn't remember that, but yeah, people were bending

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>over backwards. I think I mentioned to you before, I've

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.720
<v Speaker 2>got an old Irish grandma. She's passed away. This woman

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't afraid of anything. However, when that Price Hill strangulation

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>took place, she must had five locks.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 4>On her door.

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this place was just rocked by that. I

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>think it's hard to convey and you can probably do

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.920
<v Speaker 2>it better than me. The feeling in this town during

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>this time, just the feeling of fear and law enforcement's

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>response to it. They threw a lot of resource is

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>at this thing, don't you.

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Think, Oh?

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 9>Absolutely absolutely? Well, you know, for for me personally, I

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 9>was just a kid like you and uh my widowed

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 9>mother who grew up in Price Hill went to school

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 9>at Cedar Grove Academy right across the street from one

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 9>of the murders. I was born blocks from, uh the

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 9>murder that posted ELASKI was convicted of. So so this

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 9>really was a it was it was neighborhood centric in

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 9>some ways, not just Price Hill. It was the same

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.479
<v Speaker 9>in East Walnut Hills, right.

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 4>It was.

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 9>It was in Clifton as well. So it's spreading in

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 9>a band across the city.

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And it's I'm trying to go ahead.

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 9>Well, the killer left no clues. There were no identifiable clues.

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 9>Now you have to remember that the that the the

0:39:53.840 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 9>forensics of the time weren't simply fingerprints, fluids, blood, simple

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 9>basic hair fibers.

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 4>There was no.

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 9>DNA that would not be until the nineteen eighties, So

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 9>they had no evidence except that hair evidence pointed to

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 9>a black man, but without specifics. They cast a net

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 9>across the city, initially starting with men who had been

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 9>who had previously had conditions for sex crimes, but then

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 9>it began to spread to random people based upon calls

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 9>in the station X. The police would follow up. Detectives,

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 9>patrolmen would follow.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Up thousands, I mean thousands of clues, thousands of calls.

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, how many victims in all

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>were they?

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 2>I know Barbara Bowman was the one that Lasky was

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 2>prosecuted successfully on. But how many victims in all Dennis

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 2>died at the hand of the strangler.

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 9>Well, the strangulation deaths, there were six. Barbara Bowman makes

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 9>the seventh. Now there were also numerous There were also

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 9>numerous assaults that that that occurred that did match the

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 9>the d m O of the killer in certain ways,

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 9>but it was but it was the it was the

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 9>strangulation murders that that were the key. U Now, Barbara Bowman,

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 9>while she died of stab wounds, did have a ligature

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 9>wound around her neck. So that's what drew police attention

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 9>to a connection to the strangler.

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. Let me let me ask you that question.

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 4>That was the one condition.

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me ask you this question too. You had

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 2>mentioned at tench time. I had to Obviously there were

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>racial issues and problems in the city of Cincinnati at

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>the time. That probably compounded some of it because again,

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 2>like you said, uh, they were looking for an African

0:41:59.160 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 2>American man.

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Is that a fair statement.

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely.

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 9>It exacerbated the existing tensions that had grown out of

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 9>national frustrations with the civil rights movement. Finally succeeded in

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 9>nineteen sixty five with the passage of the Voting Rights Act.

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 9>So success was found that year, but tensions were still

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 9>There wasn't enough in Cincinnati. There was a general feeling

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 9>that while people of color could speak, the question was.

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:35.280
<v Speaker 4>What were they being heard?

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 9>Was there more than just lip service being done in response?

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 9>And the answer was no, not really, and so there

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:47.800
<v Speaker 9>was great deal of frustration over in action, local inaction.

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 9>Now then you bring in police attention to black males

0:42:54.640 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 9>across the city. At the same time, African American women

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 9>were just as concerned.

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Sure as white women.

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 9>The problem was they experienced non responsiveness when they when

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 9>they would call.

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 9>And during the during the panic really of the of

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 9>the strangler, there were calls from Kennedy Heights about a

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 9>car that matched the description of a car that had

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 9>been cruising around Kennedy Heights neighborhoods. There was no response

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 9>to it. There were there was no equal concern to that.

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 9>So that all built it built and built.

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 9>A breaking point in the lasty prosecution was then the

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.839
<v Speaker 9>case of Oh goodness, I've forgotten his name, but there

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 9>was a Cincinnati end car copy editor who was arrested

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 9>on a strangulation murder. He had murdered his his girlfriend.

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 9>They were both white.

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 4>He was off. The probation well received.

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 2>There were different times back then. Uh, let me ask

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 2>you this. Uh they were. There was only one prosecution,

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of course, that being for the murder of Barbara Bowman

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>up there on Ring Court in Price Hill. The first

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.240
<v Speaker 2>cop on the scene was a legend.

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, it was accept him.

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:24.359
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>He everybody knows him. Yes, he was a young cop

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 2>at the time. Though Mel Ruger was a prosecutor. I

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 2>knew Mel just a little bit, a little bit.

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 2>He was a legend as well, a hell of a prosecutor,

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>absolutely a great prosecutor. The decision was made, although you

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:49.280
<v Speaker 2>had all these homicides, uh, just to prosecute on Barbara

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Bowman that murder and they got a conviction on that.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 2>What was the feeling of the community at the time about, Hey, look,

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, you got a successful prosecution of her murder,

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>but what about the rest of him.

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Give us an idea of what the feeling about that was.

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 9>Well, Actually, when Laski was arrested on an attempted assault

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 9>charge that was bumped up to assault. When he was arrested,

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 9>the media coverage was the strangler suspects.

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 4>In hand, We've got him.

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 9>So from that moment forward there was a general feeling

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 9>of relief, made more so by the absence of further

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 9>murders once he was in custody. And that remains the

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 9>one pivotal point there. Those circumstantial The murders stopped when

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 9>he was taking them.

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, no question, unequivocally.

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Also, you point out in a book the judge in

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>this case interesting Simon l Lease, Si Lisa, his dad.

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of a crusty old guy, according to what

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you have in the book, But a good judge, a

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 2>very experienced judge.

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 9>He had been a I had his biography in the book,

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 9>but hit a long career as a prosecutor, investigator, and

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.320
<v Speaker 9>as a judge that also gave him experiences in the

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 9>Laski trial. He even went back to a case that

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 9>he I think he was an assistant prosecutor in the

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 9>nineteen thirties. He was seventy years old at the time

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 9>of Laski's trial. There was a murder trial of the poisoning.

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 9>It was Han and she was the first woman sentenced

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:54.399
<v Speaker 9>to die in the electric chair in Ohio. She had

0:46:54.440 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 9>poisoned them. And he is techniques as a prosecutor. Allowed

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 9>Ruber to employee techniques in the trial that he had

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 9>used in the Han case. Remember, And and then there

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 9>was the the Abbott trial that preceded Laski's trial by

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:21.320
<v Speaker 9>not much but some of the same legal maneuverings that

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 9>that that Ruber employed. Judge Lee was very familiar with,

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 9>and he allowed them to go into trial. And actually

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 9>one of the key things was testimony that was permitted

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 9>into the into the case in both the Abbot and

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 9>Lasky that really put the nail in their coffins.

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, go ahead, I'm sorry.

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it was this.

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 9>This was testimony that was related to the to the defendant,

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 9>but not to the to the case. So in the

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 9>case of Abbot, it was a one and he was one.

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 9>A girl of sixteen years old. Abbot violently assaulted her

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 9>because of anger, and that was brought into the case

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 9>and it portrayed him in a very negative light. And

0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 9>when when that verdict came in as guilty, he walked

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 9>away and said she did it. That testimony did it

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:25.240
<v Speaker 9>to me. The same with Laski. The case was built

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 9>on rather circumstantial evidence, but Lise allowed the testimony of

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 9>an assault victim who accused Lasky of the assaulting, who

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 9>was never tried. That her testimony, very dramatic testimony, was

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 9>allowed into the trial, and that put jurors.

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:41.319
<v Speaker 4>Over the top.

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, As we said, he was prosecuted successfully for the

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:48.920
<v Speaker 2>murder of Barbara Bowman up there in Price Shell, and

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.839
<v Speaker 2>he received the death penalty, but he was not put

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>to death.

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Why was that?

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 9>Well, nineteen sixty eighth the Supreme Court ruled be a

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:05.319
<v Speaker 9>death penalty constitutional. It took until nineteen seventy for that

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 9>then to come down to the Ohio Supreme Court for

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:12.880
<v Speaker 9>Laski's case to be reheard under that decision, and his

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 9>sentence was commuted to life in prison.

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Then in nineteen seventy for parole.

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 2>A number of times, one when I was prosecutor did

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.840
<v Speaker 2>not get parole. I remember, kind of like a cop killer.

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:29.320
<v Speaker 2>We got the community all ginned up to send letters

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 2>for the parole board, and he died in prison. I

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:35.879
<v Speaker 2>believe in two thousand and seven, only have a minute

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and a half or so left. I want to make sure, Dennis,

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 2>that you let people know how to get this book.

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you to make a great Christmas gift. It

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.359
<v Speaker 2>was one I'm not just saying this. It was one

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 2>of the best books I ever read, right up there

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 2>with the Brick, a book by JT. Townsend. Just an easy,

0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 2>good read. How can people get that book?

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you, Mike.

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 9>It's available and I'm working on getting it into Cincinnati

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 9>bookstores so it will be in in some in the

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.840
<v Speaker 9>coming days. It's available on Amazon, but you can you

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 9>can order it online from any bookstore.

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 9>You can go to your favorite bookstore and they can

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 9>order explore you, or you can go online.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 4>It's available everywhere.

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Great, Hey, listen, we're out of time. I really appreciate this.

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 2>There's never enough time. We could probably take a couple hours.

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 2>But congratulations on the book. It is fantastic, I hope

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and I bet a lot of people go out and

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 2>get it.

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And again, it really would make a good.

0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Christmas present for people that are familiar with it and

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:49.240
<v Speaker 2>experienced it in one way or the other. But Dennis Whitehead,

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for joining us this morning.

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 9>Mike, thank you very much.

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, my pleasure, all right, And again, you just can't

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 2>convey what the effect on this town was of this guy.

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.240
<v Speaker 2>And I think mel Ruger he caught a little grief,

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:09.240
<v Speaker 2>but I think his decision to not prosecute the others

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 2>after the conviction on the Bowman murder was a good one.

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:17.399
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, very good book. If you're interested, you ought

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to get it. Hey, listen, when we get back, what

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>an absolute debacle with the comy and Letitia James now

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:32.799
<v Speaker 2>non prosecutions. DJ is not looking good on this one,

0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk to our legal expert Steve

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Gooden about that when we get back. Mike Allen in

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:47.760
<v Speaker 2>for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back Mike Allen

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 2>in for Sloaney. Well, I'll tell you what if you

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>follow the news at all, you know the situation with

0:51:55.440 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 2>one James Komy and Leticia James. Boy, they were on

0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Trump's list. The federal court. The federal judge, which I

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>believe was a Clinton appointee or it is a buying appointee.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Dismissed the cases.

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether they can be refold or not,

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure our next guest is talking about legal

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>analyst Steve Goodin.

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Steve, thanks for joining us this morning.

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 4>Hey, good morning, Mike.

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Not DOJ's finest hour, was it?

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.719
<v Speaker 4>It sure wasn't you know. You know, there's an old

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:32.479
<v Speaker 4>saying that you know that revenge is a dish best

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 4>served cold. And these guys came in very, very hot

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:42.279
<v Speaker 4>and tried to indict Comy and Leticia James using sort

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 4>of an interim prosecutor who who the judges found really

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 4>wasn't properly appointed in the role. And the problem the

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.640
<v Speaker 4>Trump folks have is I think the judge is probably right.

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:56.839
<v Speaker 4>You know, she was an interum. You can have an

0:52:56.880 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 4>interim US attorney for one hundred and twenty days, is

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 4>the one hundred and twenty days had run. They tried

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 4>to make her kind of an acting US attorney. She

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 4>was the only attorney in the room. Her name is

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.280
<v Speaker 4>hann Again Ashley hand Again, a former White House lawyer.

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 4>She had no criminal experience, and it looks for all

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 4>the world like she was sitting there specifically by the

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 4>Trump folks and by Pam Bondi to indict these two.

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 4>So in all likelihood, when she was actually in the

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:28.319
<v Speaker 4>grand jury as the loan attorney presenting the cases for

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 4>indictment against James and Komy, she really her paperwork had expired, basically,

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 4>so they tossed the indictments. There is a pretty good

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 4>argument they can be refiled, But with Comy it's going

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 4>to be a little close. I mean, he has a

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:49.799
<v Speaker 4>five year statute of limitations. The statements he made allegedly

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:54.400
<v Speaker 4>were back in twenty eighteen. I think he did mislead Congress.

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 4>Whether it whether now that we know more about the

0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 4>underlying case, whether it actually rises to a criminal intentional

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.319
<v Speaker 4>misleading at Congress, we don't know. But he certainly made

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:10.280
<v Speaker 4>statements about the Clinton FBI leaks that were misleading to Congress. Yeah,

0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 4>but that's kind of where really really where that is.

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.600
<v Speaker 4>It's going to be fought out for a while. The

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Trump people are going to take an appeal. Oddly enough,

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 4>they probably, it seems to me, have a better chance

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 4>of getting Letitia James' case refiled than Comy's. But also

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 4>that was the least serious of the two. So we'll

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 4>see what happens. But there's more more fighting to go.

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 4>But I think Trump and his books lose this round

0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 4>on a technicality, but a pretty significant yeah.

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 2>And I just think the way it was handled was

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 2>an abomination. Trump put out a truth Social post. It

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.839
<v Speaker 2>was about two or three days I believe before Pam,

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Bondi and d OJ took some action on this thing,

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.279
<v Speaker 2>and I just just bear with me. I want to

0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.000
<v Speaker 2>read part of it at least. Okay, this is from

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Trump on truth Social Pam. It's like it's addressed to her.

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I have received over three hundred statements and posts saying

0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 2>that essentially same old story as last time, all talked,

0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 2>no action, nothing is being done. What about Kmy, Adam,

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Shifty Shift, Letitia, They're all guilty as hell, but nothing

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 2>is going to be done. And then we almost put

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:27.760
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat supported US attorney in Virginia with a really

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:32.200
<v Speaker 2>bad Republican past. Anyway, he goes on to say, last sentence,

0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>they impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing.

0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree. More justice must be served.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, you know, I'm loath to criticize

0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:44.160
<v Speaker 2>the president, but I will.

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it's appropriate.

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>And maybe it's a lawyer and me, Steve, but as

0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 2>an attorney, did that offend you? Because it's just a blatant,

0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a blatant.

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Ploy to get these two prosecuted.

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.919
<v Speaker 2>The norm the regular prosecutor wouldn't do it, so he's

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 2>got to go out and get a different one.

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Am I overstating the case?

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<v Speaker 4>No? I mean it's really reminiscent in a way of,

0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of what happened, you know at the

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 4>end of Watergate, you know, when Nixon couldn't find that

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 4>he wanted to fire the special prosecutor and they kept Goody,

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 4>and there's that famous light on the Nixon James who says,

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't you know, just keep firing people until someone

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>will go fire him, you know, And they said, I

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.560
<v Speaker 4>don't care if we're down to the janitor at that point,

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, I want some of the fire. So when

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 4>it's all about the result you want and you're the executive,

0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.279
<v Speaker 4>that is a really bad and dangerous place for us

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.279
<v Speaker 4>to be in a republic. And everyone says we're a democracy,

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.320
<v Speaker 4>We're really a republic and we have a very fine

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 4>balancing of the three branches. And it really is a

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.560
<v Speaker 4>bad day those posts he puts out. You know, he

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 4>is his own worst enemy, the president is on this rhetoric.

0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Any chance of having anything that looked like an impartial

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:06.279
<v Speaker 4>and real indictment here of either of these two, you know,

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 4>is you know, it was just out the window the

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 4>second he made that post. I mean, even if the

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 4>indictment had somehow, the indictments had somehow stood up and

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 4>gone to trial, I think you know that that would

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:18.880
<v Speaker 4>have been something that would have been presented to the

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.919
<v Speaker 4>jury and really cast out on whether or not this

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 4>was this was impartial. And I mean, look, I understand

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.440
<v Speaker 4>that I've never been or will be president of the

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 4>United States, but I can only imagine the president's anger

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 4>at the way he was treated. There is no question,

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:38.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, you lover hate Trump. I think most lawyers

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:42.840
<v Speaker 4>would agree that the system was weaponized against him and

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 4>perverted against him in ways that just we're an abomination

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 4>as well. The while he was out of office, I

0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 4>mean the particularly the Latitia James case, something that kind

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:55.800
<v Speaker 4>of case that had never been brought New York State.

0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:58.720
<v Speaker 4>The statute had never been used that way. They were

0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 4>really just making stuff up to get him. And I

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 4>get that he's angry, but my god, he won the

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 4>next election. You'd think that that would be enough to

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:10.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's president again. I mean that that you

0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:12.640
<v Speaker 4>would think that would would suit some of those wounds.

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:14.360
<v Speaker 4>But it looks like he does want to go back

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 4>after these folks. And look, Tony, and I get the

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 4>anger at Komy. I mean that when you when you

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 4>really scrape it all away. Comy was asked before Congress,

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, did you leak to someone at the FBI

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 4>or tell them to leak at the FBI? And his

0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 4>answer was no. But then we now learned that he

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.520
<v Speaker 4>actually did give the leak to an FBI contractor who

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 4>was a friend of his. And he's kind of hanging

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 4>on this sort of Bill Clinton kind of word persing

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 4>thing of like, well, he wasn't a full time employee

0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 4>even though he worked there, so and I understand how

0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:48.480
<v Speaker 4>frustrating and aggravating that would be when you see that

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:51.200
<v Speaker 4>one of your enemies and someone who has been weaponizing

0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 4>the justice departments doing this sort of thing. But that's

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 4>really not a not a great thing to hang a

0:58:56.560 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 4>criminal case on. And it really does, I mean, like really,

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 4>what it looks like here is he finally found someone

0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 4>who was willing to put their law license on the

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 4>line and go in and jam this indictment through. And

0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:14.080
<v Speaker 4>it's notable. Someone who's never i guess said zero criminal practice, experience,

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:17.920
<v Speaker 4>defense or prosecution actually went in, it spoke to the

0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 4>grand jury and I and this is rare. It wasn't

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 4>even now we know it wasn't even unanimous at the

0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 4>grand jury. There were grand juries jurors, even under these

0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:28.480
<v Speaker 4>weird circumstances, who were saying, we don't think we should

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 4>indict these two. Yeah. So, I mean, it's really snaked

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 4>that from the beginning from the truth social post all

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 4>the way down to the selection of this particular attorney

0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 4>who didn't have any kind of experience, to the fact

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:45.000
<v Speaker 4>that she was the only attorney in the room, which

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 4>is also, as you know from grand jury days, kind

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:50.240
<v Speaker 4>of unusual. Usually you have not always, but you have

0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 4>at least a paralegal or somebody else, you know, in

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 4>the room with you privately with the grand jury to

0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 4>kind of fight things out. So everything about it just stinks,

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<v Speaker 4>and in a weird way, they're kind of lucky. I

1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 4>think that the judge pulled the trigger, or you know,

1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:09.800
<v Speaker 4>you pulled these indictments on the early side, rather than

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<v Speaker 4>let all this get fleshed out in really gruesome detail,

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<v Speaker 4>either through a motion practice or a trial. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think it would have reflected well on anybody well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I mean, maybe it's a lawyer in me,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, But the minute I saw that truth

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<v Speaker 2>social post, I thought, oh my god, this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to come back and boomerang. I get his anger, and buddy,

1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if anybody has a right to be pot

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<v Speaker 2>about the way they treated him, he does. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also a realist about lawfare, you know, politics, Steve,

1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:48.400
<v Speaker 2>somebody does something to you, by god, you're going to

1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:50.880
<v Speaker 2>do it back to them. So I really don't have

1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a problem with that, But why telegraph it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's probably.

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<v Speaker 1>No one, not even millenia.

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<v Speaker 2>Who could say whoa WHOA? Don't send that out. You know,

1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:05.440
<v Speaker 2>it just it looks horrible. Let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's a long way of asking you a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we've seen the last of this thing? I know

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<v Speaker 2>Trump won't let it go, but do you think that

1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you know they're going to reindict and candem It was

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<v Speaker 2>a dismissal without prejudice.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get a chance to look at it the decision.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't speak to prejudice

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<v Speaker 4>at all. He just tosses it. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a statute and I think it's eten USC three

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<v Speaker 4>two two eight that basically says, you know you you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the statute of limitations is sort of told under certain circumstances,

1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:41.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, when there's when there's issues and questions about

1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:44.280
<v Speaker 4>the indictment. But all that being said, I think they

1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:46.680
<v Speaker 4>were they were right against the line of being out

1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:51.120
<v Speaker 4>of time on Komy anyway. I mean, because the statement's

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<v Speaker 4>tackling the way back to twenty eighteen. Uh and there's

1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.880
<v Speaker 4>a five year statute of limitations there so, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>also an argument because that even though it's told typically

1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:05.200
<v Speaker 4>in a situation like this, because there's prosecutor on this

1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:09.520
<v Speaker 4>conduct that's being alleged. You don't get that benefit of

1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:11.920
<v Speaker 4>the doubt, and you know, the timeline doesn't stay. So

1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're going to appeal. Bondie's already said she's

1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:16.480
<v Speaker 4>going to appeal. But I particularly lose it and this

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<v Speaker 4>really is the end of this, and if they're smart,

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<v Speaker 4>they let it go. And again, this is a situation.

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<v Speaker 4>It's amazing to me because you've seen it in state courts,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've seen it state courts where whether it be

1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:32.120
<v Speaker 4>police officers, prosecutors, whatever, you let your emotions get the

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<v Speaker 4>better of you and bad decisions get made. It's amazing

1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:37.760
<v Speaker 4>to me that you still see that human element and

1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:40.160
<v Speaker 4>all these emotions coming into play all the way up

1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:42.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, to the presidency. I mean, this is just

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<v Speaker 4>a classic case of a guy getting really mad and

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<v Speaker 4>telling the prosecutors to do something they shouldn't have done.

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<v Speaker 4>They probably should have should have held their ground. I

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<v Speaker 4>can only imagine what the conversations were. I don't know

1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:56.560
<v Speaker 4>about with Milania. But you know, Pan Bondy is a

1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.960
<v Speaker 4>real prosecutor. You know, Pambody is not just some politic

1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.280
<v Speaker 4>co actor. She's really done the job and she's the

1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:06.400
<v Speaker 4>ag of Florida and a well regarded one. So and

1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:08.720
<v Speaker 4>the amount of time this took, I can only imagine

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<v Speaker 4>there were many many trips down to the West Wing

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<v Speaker 4>to try to talk them out of this, uh and

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<v Speaker 4>to try to get him to stand down. But they

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<v Speaker 4>eventually he said, it's like it's like in Watergate. They

1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:23.080
<v Speaker 4>finally found in Watergate, the tribute question. It was finally

1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.640
<v Speaker 4>Robert Young, Robert Borke, who was the guy that was

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<v Speaker 4>fired Archibald.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Yeah, they kept firing people and ele leading

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<v Speaker 4>them to acting Attorney General just to fire, you know

1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:37.920
<v Speaker 4>it just like could fire the special prosecutor, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and here they finally you know, the the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the the Robert bork Here is this Hannigan lady who

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<v Speaker 4>I guess had briefly worked in the White House as

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<v Speaker 4>a civil attorney, and then he made her the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the acting or interim and then acting attorney up in

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<v Speaker 4>in Virginia that has in Wooden Pert of Virginia, that

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<v Speaker 4>has a jurisdiction over a lot of the DC stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So and she was willing to go do it. So,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I also predicted in some way or fashion,

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<v Speaker 4>someone's going to go after her law license over this.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to that's probably going to be the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest problem. Yeah, I think you can count on that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, somebody who was criticizing the whole thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of likened it to just a citizen coming off

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<v Speaker 2>the street walking into a grand jury room and getting

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<v Speaker 2>an indictment because of the technical stuff. But what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think is to become of Lindsay Halligan? Apparently from

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<v Speaker 2>what I read, she's a very good civil lawyer, but

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<v Speaker 2>had no business in the grand jury room.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, there's look, I know brilliant civil lawyers who

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<v Speaker 4>really you know, you know who if you sent them

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<v Speaker 4>into the grand jury today with no training would have

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it would flail. I think, Mike, I worked

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<v Speaker 4>for you. I don't think I was allowed to walk

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<v Speaker 4>even near the grand jury room for two to three years.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, you really, you know, really got

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<v Speaker 4>to know what you what you're doing. You really have

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<v Speaker 4>to understand the criminal law. There's a lot of nuances

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<v Speaker 4>to it, from being able to count the time on

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<v Speaker 4>the statute to what evidence is admissible and so forth.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, being brilliant's got nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about being trained. I mean I would think that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know the hand again. I mean, I think there

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<v Speaker 4>will be some action against her law license. Probably when

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<v Speaker 4>the dust settles here, they're going to lose the appeal.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's somebody that looks to me to be kind

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<v Speaker 4>of ready made for TV. I would expect to see

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<v Speaker 4>her out of politics pretty quickly. I mean she looks

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<v Speaker 4>like a model. I mean, if there was ever like

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<v Speaker 4>a perfect profile for a Fox News TV commentator, it

1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:39.720
<v Speaker 4>would be miss Annagan. Okay, So she does have that

1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:42.040
<v Speaker 4>look a lot of the women have in the Trump world.

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<v Speaker 4>So she has that kind of Melania kind of vibe.

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<v Speaker 4>So I always see her now that she has to

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<v Speaker 4>obtain some notoriety, bouncing out of politics pretty quick into

1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:52.080
<v Speaker 4>some media role will be my guy. I have no

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<v Speaker 4>reason to believe that, just my guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the whole thing is a big old cluster. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we got about three minutes or so new things

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<v Speaker 2>happening on the PG sitting field front. Can you tell

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<v Speaker 2>us about that because I missed it?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it motions?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? There were some Yeah, there were a flory of

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<v Speaker 4>violins this week. It's really interesting, you know PG, I said, Ville,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, was convicted of basic classic quid pro quo

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<v Speaker 4>corruption by a federal jury here in Cincinnati and sentenced

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<v Speaker 4>to I think fourteen months in prison, served about five

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<v Speaker 4>or six of them. You know, it was fighting it

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<v Speaker 4>on appeal and then just sort of out of left field.

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<v Speaker 4>Although Washington it seemed out of left field, we now

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<v Speaker 4>know there was a lot of lobbying going on the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump Partington basically sort of you know, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and Trump has been pardoning a lot of folks around

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<v Speaker 4>the county or country that he feels are were wrongfully

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<v Speaker 4>convicted in some of these public corruption cases where he

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<v Speaker 4>thought entrapment was used. And the FBI tactics are pretty tough,

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<v Speaker 4>but a very very rare kind of circumstance to your

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<v Speaker 4>PG is pursuing his appeal even though he has been pardoned.

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<v Speaker 4>It is and it's kind of interesting, and we don't

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<v Speaker 4>know whether or not the Supreme Court is going to

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<v Speaker 4>truly entertain it. And what's interesting here is the Trump

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<v Speaker 4>Justice Department has sort of now taken a different position.

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<v Speaker 4>They want this to be over with. At this point

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<v Speaker 4>of view is look, we don't want you to keep

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<v Speaker 4>fighting here. It's going to impact other convictions, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and PG has made it very blue. He wants to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he wants to change the law around this.

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<v Speaker 4>He thinks that the whole quid pro quo corruption law,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly the Supreme Court case called McCormick that basically says, look,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you accept the campaign contribution in exchange

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<v Speaker 4>for your position on a particular vote or a particular project,

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<v Speaker 4>that that is illegal. And that's been the law since

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety one. And he wants to go after that

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<v Speaker 4>and address that. And it's very interesting that it feels

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<v Speaker 4>like when you read these briefs, basically, the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 4>and it clearly feels kind of burned by Sittenfeld because

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<v Speaker 4>they're like, you know, we got you, you got the

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<v Speaker 4>pardon pal, you know, but now you're still fighting us,

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<v Speaker 4>and not just that you want you want your conviction vacated.

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<v Speaker 4>You want it to be like it never occurred. And

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<v Speaker 4>they do seem to really be going after this McCormick decision,

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<v Speaker 4>which has really been the law of the land. And

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<v Speaker 4>I always felt, and I know there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>conservative commentators who are on the other side of this,

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<v Speaker 4>I always felt it was a common sense line to

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<v Speaker 4>draw because otherwise, you know you're going to be sitting

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<v Speaker 4>down with donors and talking about specific votes. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you're in the state House.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, you're right, and unfortunately we are out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched a lot of the trial for Channel nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you did as well as a legal analyst,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know. I mean, I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>crossed the line. I don't think anybody knows what the

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<v Speaker 2>heck the line is. But at any rate, Steve, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you calling in and not filling us in on

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff anytime.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a good Thanksgiving that you too, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you you you know I mean, And I get

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<v Speaker 2>some guff from people. I am sympathetic to pg's situation.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're in politics, you gotta raise money, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be aggressive. And from what I heard, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that he crossed that line into bribery. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see the Supreme Court take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at it see if maybe they can kind of clear

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<v Speaker 2>it up a little bit. Anyway, we got to take

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<v Speaker 2>a break for the news, but when we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk to doctor John Lott. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about how the left lies about child gun deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you'll find it interesting. We'll do that

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back Mike Allen and for Slowey seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred WLW. You want to be an American idiot?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we're back Mike Allan in for Sloaney. Well, i'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>The left absolutely loves to skew the figures on gun deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's true adults, gundest and children as well. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's doing a deep dive into it and showing that

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a lie, it's not true. That person is

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<v Speaker 2>our next guest, doctor John Lott. He is the president

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<v Speaker 2>of the Crime Prevention Research Center. And I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>I checked that out. Really great website, crimesearch dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of good stats in there. So anyway, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>lot welcome to WLW. I know it ain't your first time.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me back on. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure, my pleasure. Hey, tell us about the piece

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<v Speaker 2>that you wrote. I think for the federalists, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was great and you make a very good case

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<v Speaker 2>that they are exaggerating at a minimum, the figures about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's titled Democrats Favorite Talking point about children and

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<v Speaker 2>gundests is a lie tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 12>People can find a copy of it at our website

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<v Speaker 12>at Crimeresearch dot org. But look, you know, about fifteen

1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:14.719
<v Speaker 12>years ago or so, Michael Bloomberg's gun control groups basically

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<v Speaker 12>did focus testing to try to see what types of

1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:21.479
<v Speaker 12>claims that they could make that would move the needle

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<v Speaker 12>the most on the gun control issue. And what they

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<v Speaker 12>found was, particularly for women, if they made the claim

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<v Speaker 12>that gun deaths were the number one cause of death

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<v Speaker 12>for children, they could they could have a big impact

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<v Speaker 12>on that. And so you've been seeing a lot of

1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:46.840
<v Speaker 12>claims out there since then that try to make that claim.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing is that.

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<v Speaker 12>People can go to the Centers for Disease Control website.

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<v Speaker 12>They have very detailed data on deaths from many different

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<v Speaker 12>types of causes. And whether you define children as those

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<v Speaker 12>under eighteen or those under fifteen or some other age

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<v Speaker 12>group that's lower, what you find.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that motor vehicle deaths I'll outnumber it.

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<v Speaker 12>And if you have something like underage fifteen, not only

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<v Speaker 12>the motor vehicle deaths out number, but things like suffocation

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<v Speaker 12>deaths are like twice in the latest year that's available

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<v Speaker 12>twenty twenty three, suffocation deaths are more than twice the

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<v Speaker 12>number of deaths from firearms. The thing is also how

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<v Speaker 12>they define firearm deaths. What they do is they add

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<v Speaker 12>together homicides, suicides with firearms, and accidental deaths. The problem

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<v Speaker 12>is most people I suspect think that homicides and murders

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<v Speaker 12>are the same.

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<v Speaker 6>They're not.

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<v Speaker 12>Homicides are murders plus justifiable homicides by police civilians, And

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<v Speaker 12>so even to get the numbers as close as they do,

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<v Speaker 12>they're having to include things like a seventeen year old

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<v Speaker 12>gang member who was let's say, pointing a gun at

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<v Speaker 12>a police officer and shot by the police officer, as

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<v Speaker 12>you know, as a firearm step.

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<v Speaker 6>And in some sit that's true.

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<v Speaker 12>But the notion behind I think pushing this is just

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<v Speaker 12>to take guns away, abandoned guns. I assume they're not

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<v Speaker 12>going to abolish guns from police officers.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know.

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<v Speaker 12>It to me, lumping together an innocent victim who's killed

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<v Speaker 12>versus a situation where you have a criminal who's trying

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<v Speaker 12>to kill somebody else who stopped those are just not

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<v Speaker 12>the same things that.

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<v Speaker 6>Are going on there. And what you find is.

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<v Speaker 12>About seventy five or so of the homicides involve fifteen, sixteen,

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<v Speaker 12>seventeen year old gang members. Even if you're looking at,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, the deaths for those under eighteen, and I

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<v Speaker 12>think that's you know, questionable whether or not you want

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<v Speaker 12>to include those, because when you see these news stories

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<v Speaker 12>or others, they'll start off with a story about, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>a child.

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<v Speaker 6>Dying from an acidal gun shot.

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<v Speaker 4>In the home.

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<v Speaker 12>And if you look at the data from let's say

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<v Speaker 12>twenty ten to twenty twenty, you'll find about thirty two

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<v Speaker 12>on average of those deaths a year. You know, be

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<v Speaker 12>nice if it was zero rather than third two, But

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<v Speaker 12>even two thirds of those of those thirty two deaths

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<v Speaker 12>are gun shots accidentally fired by an adult male, usually

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<v Speaker 12>in there mid to late twenties, who have a criminal

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<v Speaker 12>record and it's illegal for them to own a gun

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<v Speaker 12>to begin with, and who are very often either drug

1:14:57.680 --> 1:14:59.040
<v Speaker 12>addicts or alcoholics.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, these.

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<v Speaker 12>Are not normal, law abiding people who do most of

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<v Speaker 12>these accidal gunshots.

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<v Speaker 6>Even for even if you want to include those, what about.

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<v Speaker 1>The situation with suicide? Can you address that?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, I mean, they're not that many suicides that are

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<v Speaker 12>involved for those underageteen eighteen or under fifteen.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a small number, like with accidental gun does.

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<v Speaker 12>But the thing is also you know, again the notion

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<v Speaker 12>is simply if you just got rid of guns, you

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<v Speaker 12>wouldn't have the suicides occurring. Well, we've tried banning guns

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<v Speaker 12>in parts of the United States. Washington, d C. And

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<v Speaker 12>Chicago banned handguns. The vast majority of suicides involve handguns,

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<v Speaker 12>and other countries have either banned all.

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<v Speaker 6>Guns or all handguns.

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<v Speaker 12>So what you find is that while they're in firearm suicides,

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<v Speaker 12>total suicides don't change. There's really no statistically significant change

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<v Speaker 12>at all in terms of total suicides. And so basically

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<v Speaker 12>what happens is that if you have somebody who's suicidal,

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<v Speaker 12>there are lots of different ways for people to commit suicide,

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<v Speaker 12>lots of different ways for them to commit suicide which

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<v Speaker 12>have you know, quote unquote an equal success rate or

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<v Speaker 12>even a slightly higher success rate to using a firearm.

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<v Speaker 6>People who hang themselves.

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<v Speaker 12>Or jump off a tall building or structure, or walk

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<v Speaker 12>in front of a train or a bus. Those are

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<v Speaker 12>all ways that people could commit suicide that have you know,

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<v Speaker 12>success rates that are similar to using a firearm.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, and you've got a paragraph

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<v Speaker 2>in your piece on this at the you got the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post, no surprise there, you got a blaring headline

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<v Speaker 2>why guns are America's number one killer of children. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you got, of course NPR their headline firearms overtook auto

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<v Speaker 2>accidents as the leading cause of death and children. You

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<v Speaker 2>just demolished that argument, and of course the BBC's got

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<v Speaker 2>to get involved. Gun desks were the leading killer of

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<v Speaker 2>US children. In twenty twenty, something happened over in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you addressed. I think it was at

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<v Speaker 2>the very end of the piece where what they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>with gun control over there hasn't helped anything.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you look, you have a whole island nations that

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<v Speaker 12>have tried to ban guns. In the UK, they banned

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<v Speaker 12>all handguns in January nineteen ninety seven, and what you found.

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<v Speaker 12>What you found was that after they banned it, over

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<v Speaker 12>the next eight years, homicides increased by fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 4>It was only.

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<v Speaker 12>After they had about an eighteen percent increase in the

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<v Speaker 12>number of police officers in just a few year period

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<v Speaker 12>of time that they were finally able to bring down

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<v Speaker 12>the homicide rates back to about what they were prior

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<v Speaker 12>to the band that was.

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<v Speaker 6>There, and that's what you see in other countries.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, look, I know when we had the bands

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<v Speaker 12>in Chicago and Washington, TC gun control advocates say, well,

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<v Speaker 12>you know that wasn't a fair test. You can't expect

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<v Speaker 12>it to work because people could stole get guns from

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<v Speaker 12>the rest of Illinois, or from Indiana, or from Maryland

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<v Speaker 12>to Virginia. The problem is that doesn't explain why homicide

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<v Speaker 12>rates went up. It may explain why they didn't go

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<v Speaker 12>down as they were predicting at the time. But you

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<v Speaker 12>could look at island nations, whether it be the Republic

1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:03.320
<v Speaker 12>of Ireland or Jamaica or the Solomon Islands or other

1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:08.040
<v Speaker 12>places which have banned either all guns or all handguns,

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<v Speaker 12>and every single time, murder rates go up and suicides

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<v Speaker 12>remain unchanged.

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<v Speaker 6>And there's a simple.

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<v Speaker 12>Reason why murder rates go up, and that is you

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<v Speaker 12>may take a few guns away from the criminals, but

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<v Speaker 12>if you're primarily disarming the law bidy good citizens out there,

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<v Speaker 12>you make it easier for criminals to go and commit crimes,

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<v Speaker 12>and you actually see an increase in total death.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this question. I have always wondered why,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've got a theory why the left and their

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<v Speaker 2>cohorts in the mainstream media keep pounding this thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about the gun, all about the gun. They

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<v Speaker 2>never talk about the person behind the gun, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>juvenile and adults. I mean, my thought is they're just

1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it's easier to do that rather than confront the real problem,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the person. Do you have any thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, Look, reducing crime isn't rocket science. You have to

1:20:12.680 --> 1:20:15.040
<v Speaker 12>make it riskier for criminals to go and commit crime.

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<v Speaker 12>To do that with higher rest rates, higher conviction rates,

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<v Speaker 12>longer prison sentences, but also allowing victims to be able

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<v Speaker 12>to go and defend themselves. All those things make it

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<v Speaker 12>riskier for criminals to commit crime. And I guess what

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<v Speaker 12>I would say is a couple of things. One is,

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<v Speaker 12>at least they're consistent across the board. You know, you

1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:35.639
<v Speaker 12>look at a lot of these democratic cities. They don't

1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:37.960
<v Speaker 12>want to make it risky for criminals to commit crime

1:20:38.000 --> 1:20:43.600
<v Speaker 12>in terms of law enforcement arresting them or punishment. You know,

1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:47.000
<v Speaker 12>there are plenty of examples that we can give about

1:20:47.080 --> 1:20:50.519
<v Speaker 12>how they immediately release the criminals that are there that

1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:54.080
<v Speaker 12>they don't want to make them serve time in prison.

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<v Speaker 12>But not only do they want to make it less

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<v Speaker 12>risky for criminals to commit crime in terms of law

1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:02.840
<v Speaker 12>and force in the criminal justice system, they also don't

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<v Speaker 12>want to make it risky for criminals to commit crime

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<v Speaker 12>in terms of letting victims be able to go and

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<v Speaker 12>defend themselves. Look, you know, one of the big puzzles

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<v Speaker 12>to me is Democrats will go and talk about racial

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<v Speaker 12>justice in terms of prisons. So you will have people

1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:25.600
<v Speaker 12>like you know, Alvin Bryde, the district attorney in Manhattan,

1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:29.559
<v Speaker 12>New York City, or others Soros prosecutors who will say

1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:33.400
<v Speaker 12>that you want to have people in jail equal to

1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:37.360
<v Speaker 12>the racial percentage of their population. So if blacks make

1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:41.000
<v Speaker 12>up thirteen percent of the population, they should make up

1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:46.920
<v Speaker 12>thirteen percent of those in prison. Here's the problem, who

1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:49.960
<v Speaker 12>do they think the victims of crime are? Victims of

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<v Speaker 12>crime tend to be very similar to the perpetrators. Ninety

1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:58.280
<v Speaker 12>percent of blacks are murdered by blacks. So if you're

1:21:58.320 --> 1:22:02.000
<v Speaker 12>going to be you know, lenient on the criminals that

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<v Speaker 12>are there, it means that people who are similar in

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<v Speaker 12>terms of race and socioeconomic status are going to be

1:22:09.560 --> 1:22:13.120
<v Speaker 12>the victims so why not care about the black victims

1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:15.439
<v Speaker 12>that are there. You know, over half of the murders

1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:18.960
<v Speaker 12>in the United States are committed by blacks, even though

1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.320
<v Speaker 12>they make up about thirteen percent of the population.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of that is drug.

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<v Speaker 12>Gang violence that's there, but they're killing other blacks overwhelmingly,

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<v Speaker 12>And you know, it seems to me we should care

1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:36.080
<v Speaker 12>about the victims there and try to keep them safe

1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:39.479
<v Speaker 12>more than we should worry about the racial color of

1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:44.840
<v Speaker 12>the people who are committing the crimes. But you know,

1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:50.080
<v Speaker 12>there's a more basic issue also about why it is

1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:57.200
<v Speaker 12>that liberals don't trust people to have guns for protection.

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<v Speaker 12>And I think he sees again consistently across the board.

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<v Speaker 12>You look at something like Obamacare. Obamacare basically takes away

1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:12.880
<v Speaker 12>people's choices for what's going to be covered by their

1:23:12.880 --> 1:23:16.840
<v Speaker 12>health insurance. The only choices you have under Obamacare is

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<v Speaker 12>basically the size of the deductible that you're going to have.

1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:22.760
<v Speaker 12>But what's covered, whether you're a seven year old woman,

1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:27.240
<v Speaker 12>you're still covered for childbirth, that's there. You know, there

1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:29.200
<v Speaker 12>are a lot of other weirder things that are in

1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:33.280
<v Speaker 12>there too, and so you know the problem is if

1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:36.479
<v Speaker 12>you don't trust somebody for being able to choose what

1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:39.559
<v Speaker 12>their health insurance is going to cover. You're not going

1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:43.320
<v Speaker 12>to trust them for something like whether they're going to

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<v Speaker 12>have a weapon or not. And you know, it just

1:23:47.080 --> 1:23:49.519
<v Speaker 12>it just comes down to whether or not you think

1:23:51.280 --> 1:23:56.400
<v Speaker 12>people are able to make decisions for themselves in many

1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:57.479
<v Speaker 12>situations or not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and I get that. You know, I've been in

1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:03.599
<v Speaker 2>criminal justice system for fifty one years in one form

1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:07.120
<v Speaker 2>or another, and I can tell you right now, let's

1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:11.799
<v Speaker 2>just say Trump signed an executive order tomorrow banning all guns.

1:24:12.680 --> 1:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>These people are going to be able to find guns

1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.559
<v Speaker 2>probably pretty darn easy.

1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>You're probably you're probably familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a phenomena called community guns where people in the

1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:28.760
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood will go use the gun, do whatever they do

1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:31.479
<v Speaker 2>with it, and put it back for someone else to use.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just naive to think that you're going to ban

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<v Speaker 2>your way out of this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Mate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's frustrating because a lot of people are dying, right.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I mean, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 12>Look and the major source of the legal guns are

1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:53.040
<v Speaker 12>it looks like our drug gangs, you know you have.

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<v Speaker 12>It's not like a drug gang can go to the

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<v Speaker 12>police and say, look, this other gang stole or drugs,

1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:00.920
<v Speaker 12>can you help us get them back. They have to

1:25:00.920 --> 1:25:03.439
<v Speaker 12>set up their own little militaries in order to protect

1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:06.800
<v Speaker 12>that extremely valuable property that they have. And if they're

1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.240
<v Speaker 12>going to have a lot of weapons, they're going and

1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:11.639
<v Speaker 12>they can make money selling drugs and they can make

1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:14.000
<v Speaker 12>money selling weapons, They're going to do both.

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<v Speaker 6>That's there.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 12>You can look at a country like Mexico, for example,

1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:23.280
<v Speaker 12>Mexico used to be fairly unregulated in terms of gun ownerships.

1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:29.799
<v Speaker 12>In nineteen seventy two, they essentially had very strict rules

1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:33.639
<v Speaker 12>limiting guns. Only one gun store in the country, run

1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:36.160
<v Speaker 12>by the military. The most powerful gun that you've been

1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:39.479
<v Speaker 12>able to buy since nineteen seventy two is a bolt

1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:45.080
<v Speaker 12>action twenty two caliber short round rifle. That's not the

1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:48.640
<v Speaker 12>type of gun that that drug gigs are using, our

1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:53.120
<v Speaker 12>cartels are using in Mexico. And yet the murder rate

1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:57.160
<v Speaker 12>in Mexico has more than doubled since nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, so if I could click my.

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<v Speaker 12>Fingers and cause all guns in the United States to

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<v Speaker 12>disappear and all illegal drugs, how long do you think

1:26:08.160 --> 1:26:10.800
<v Speaker 12>it would be before illegal drugs start coming back into

1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:13.519
<v Speaker 12>the United States supply in twenty minutes. If you're at

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<v Speaker 12>I'll passo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you, Doc. Unfortunately we're out of

1:26:18.040 --> 1:26:22.200
<v Speaker 2>time here. I really appreciate this discussion, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I also too want to pitch again the Research Center,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the Crime Prevention Research Center.

1:26:30.240 --> 1:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>They really do a great job. It's a great website.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyway, doctor John Lott, thank you so much for

1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>educating us on this subject.

1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:43.439
<v Speaker 12>Well, happy Thanksgiving and people can find more at crimeresearch

1:26:43.560 --> 1:26:45.599
<v Speaker 12>dot org crimeresearch dot org.

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<v Speaker 4>But thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks doc. All Right, doctor John Lott. You know,

1:26:50.640 --> 1:26:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and the left is going to continue to do it too.

1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, god forbid they could tell the truth about

1:26:56.160 --> 1:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>something in the media, and obviously this is important. Hey,

1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:01.439
<v Speaker 2>we to take a break for the news. But when

1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>we get back. Last segment, we're going to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. She's got a great

1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.479
<v Speaker 2>story she just filed a couple of days ago about

1:27:10.479 --> 1:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the last selection and you know, the question being are

1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>we really headed to socialism or not?

1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So we'll talk to Janis when we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're

1:27:27.000 --> 1:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>back Mike Allen seven hundred WLW before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>our next guest. There's a story breaking a big, big,

1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>big fire.

1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's in downtown Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get a chance to really read anything about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but boy, I'm looking at the visual and it's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're reporting, Oh my goodness, they're reporting thirteen

1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>deaths so far. So just wanted to let you know

1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:59.439
<v Speaker 2>about that. Hey, despite the socialist surge in New York City,

1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be they've got a big one with their

1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>new mayor, you know, moderates one in most other places,

1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:11.120
<v Speaker 2>So maybe it's not as bad as we seem to

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<v Speaker 2>think here to talk about it as a reporter who

1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:17.679
<v Speaker 2>did a deep dive on it, not just a perfunctory article,

1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.559
<v Speaker 2>but a deep dive on and I'm talking about Janie

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<v Speaker 2>Heisel from the Epoch Times. Janis, thanks so much for calling.

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<v Speaker 6>Us this morning, So thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 13>I've got to tell you it's interesting for me as

1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:35.960
<v Speaker 13>a reporter on the ground to see how things really

1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:40.760
<v Speaker 13>are versus how they are often portrayed. Yes, and I

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<v Speaker 13>did go to Minneapolis to cover the mayor's race there,

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<v Speaker 13>and that's how I got this idea for this story

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<v Speaker 13>to kind of compare and contrast what happened in Minneapolis

1:28:52.280 --> 1:28:57.120
<v Speaker 13>versus what happens in New York and elsewhere. I actually

1:28:57.160 --> 1:28:59.759
<v Speaker 13>also relied a lot on an article that I saw

1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:04.200
<v Speaker 13>by the Manhattan Institute which kind of had sort of

1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:07.120
<v Speaker 13>the same concept that I did. And the idea is

1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:09.720
<v Speaker 13>that you know, in Minneapolis a lot you know, it's

1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:11.680
<v Speaker 13>a lot smaller of a city. It's not in the

1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:16.599
<v Speaker 13>spotlight the way New York it typically is, but you know,

1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.680
<v Speaker 13>it was very interesting to see that them. There is

1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:24.799
<v Speaker 13>an incumbent kind of more mainstream Democrat mayor named Jacob Fry,

1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:28.880
<v Speaker 13>and he was challenged by what they call the mini Mandamy,

1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:33.000
<v Speaker 13>a guy named Omart I'm not sure from saying his

1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:37.599
<v Speaker 13>name correct correctly, but he is a He was involved

1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:41.880
<v Speaker 13>in the state government there in Minnesota, and there was

1:29:42.680 --> 1:29:45.320
<v Speaker 13>some you know, fair amount of like regional buzz and

1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:48.760
<v Speaker 13>some national buzz over that because of the fact that

1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:53.320
<v Speaker 13>he is also a Muslim and had some other democratic

1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:58.360
<v Speaker 13>socialist policies that he shared similar to those of Mandanmi

1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:03.160
<v Speaker 13>in New York. So in looking at these two situations

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<v Speaker 13>in Minneapolis, the democratic socialist guy lost to the more

1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:09.679
<v Speaker 13>moderate Democrat and.

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<v Speaker 2>That how close was that race?

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<v Speaker 1>I read, but I forget.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, here's the problem which he's describing what happened

1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:22.840
<v Speaker 13>in Minneapolis. They have this crazy ranked voice voting that

1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:26.519
<v Speaker 13>we in Ohio don't understand. I had to like spend

1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:29.599
<v Speaker 13>such an amount of time just to understand the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 13>What happens is voters can pick. They can say I

1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:35.519
<v Speaker 13>want Mike Allen is my first choice, he is my

1:30:35.560 --> 1:30:38.240
<v Speaker 13>second choice, and Joe Schmoll is my third choice. So

1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:41.040
<v Speaker 13>if Mike Allen doesn't get fifty percent of the vote

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<v Speaker 13>in the first round of votes being counting, it goes

1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:46.920
<v Speaker 13>back to say, okay, round two, how many people have

1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.760
<v Speaker 13>Mike Allen as his second choice? And then if Mike

1:30:49.800 --> 1:30:52.519
<v Speaker 13>Allen had you know, comes out ahead on that second round,

1:30:52.560 --> 1:30:56.040
<v Speaker 13>then with at least fifty percent of the vote, then

1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:57.160
<v Speaker 13>Mike Allen would win.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's how it works.

1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:01.479
<v Speaker 13>And it took me awhile to come up with that

1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:08.160
<v Speaker 13>very rudimentary description of how it works. So initially the

1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:10.840
<v Speaker 13>initial vote scout, I will say there was a ten

1:31:10.960 --> 1:31:20.080
<v Speaker 13>percent divide between the incomment mayor and that Democratic Socialist challenger.

1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.479
<v Speaker 13>So I think most people you know, again, right choice

1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:27.200
<v Speaker 13>voting kind of show the monkey wrench into the calculation.

1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:29.599
<v Speaker 13>But most people would say that was a pretty comfortable margin,

1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:33.439
<v Speaker 13>and he, the incumbent, did pretty much say that. But

1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:36.840
<v Speaker 13>he also didn't want to claim victory prematurely, so on

1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:40.400
<v Speaker 13>election night he waited till the next day and then

1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:43.120
<v Speaker 13>you know, it did get declared that he was the

1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:44.920
<v Speaker 13>winner in the second round of the county.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you make the point in your story about

1:31:48.280 --> 1:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>gallup polling. I guess I think it's in September, the

1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:55.080
<v Speaker 2>latest polls showed that the Democrats are the only partisan

1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>group of the three meaning Republican, Democrat, independent that views

1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:05.599
<v Speaker 2>socialism more positively than capitalism. Released in September, the poll

1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:11.200
<v Speaker 2>showed sixty six percent of Democrats viewed socialism in a

1:32:11.280 --> 1:32:14.120
<v Speaker 2>positive light, and that's for the first time in that

1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>poll's history, fewer than half of the Democrats it was

1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>forty two percent favor capitalism. For Republicans, it was it

1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:25.439
<v Speaker 2>was what you think, what you would expect from them.

1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure sounds to me janis like they're not

1:32:28.640 --> 1:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>backing away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, there are indicators like that out there suggesting that

1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:42.200
<v Speaker 13>you know, this socialism creep, especially when people put on

1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:47.839
<v Speaker 13>the word democratic in spite of the word socialism. People,

1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:50.439
<v Speaker 13>that sounds better, at least, this is the vibe I

1:32:50.439 --> 1:32:53.120
<v Speaker 13>get from talking to people. That sounds better. It sounds

1:32:53.160 --> 1:32:56.320
<v Speaker 13>okay to a lot of people. But then we roll

1:32:56.360 --> 1:32:59.800
<v Speaker 13>down to what the policies really would do. A lot

1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.120
<v Speaker 13>of people will probably buy a lot more concerned if

1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:05.040
<v Speaker 13>they really really looked into some of that, because it

1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:07.839
<v Speaker 13>does some of them more radical socialist policy.

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<v Speaker 6>You do talk about.

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<v Speaker 13>Things like, you know, community ownership of businesses rather than

1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:17.960
<v Speaker 13>you know, independent ownership and property, and on and on,

1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:23.280
<v Speaker 13>erosion of personal rights because it's all being done for

1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:27.479
<v Speaker 13>the good of the people, so to speak. And so

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<v Speaker 13>there's so it'll be interesting, as my article points out,

1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:35.920
<v Speaker 13>what we're seeing across the country does appear to be

1:33:36.000 --> 1:33:41.519
<v Speaker 13>this creep of socialism into especially through a lot of

1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:47.080
<v Speaker 13>people who lean Democrat or are Democrat, but Republicans rejecting it.

1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:52.520
<v Speaker 13>I mean, only fourteen percent of Republicans look favorably upon socialism.

1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:55.479
<v Speaker 13>So it's kind of like the Republicans are holding the line,

1:33:55.479 --> 1:33:58.599
<v Speaker 13>but independences are in there too holding that line. Thirty

1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:05.000
<v Speaker 13>eight percent but viewed it favorably. Wow, only thirty compared

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<v Speaker 13>to you know, much greater percentage of the sixty six

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<v Speaker 13>percent of Democrats socially socialism positive manner. So very interesting

1:34:15.240 --> 1:34:19.679
<v Speaker 13>trends going on in politics right now. And people are

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<v Speaker 13>looking to New York to see if Mandami takes a

1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:28.960
<v Speaker 13>really difficult situation there in New York and it becomes

1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:32.880
<v Speaker 13>more of a big mess, people are going to go, whoa,

1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:37.559
<v Speaker 13>do we want that for our community? So they're all

1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:40.200
<v Speaker 13>eyes are on New York very much so. But I

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<v Speaker 13>wanted to kind of also open people's eyes to maybe

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<v Speaker 13>New York's not the norm. And it's hard to say

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<v Speaker 13>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're right, and that is a good part of

1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the of the op ed piece. You know what, I

1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>think we're all kind of an uncharted territory here. But

1:34:57.760 --> 1:35:00.120
<v Speaker 2>the thing, and you know, you can weigh in on

1:35:00.160 --> 1:35:03.519
<v Speaker 2>this if you want. I had never been able to find,

1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and I challenged people on the left an example where

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<v Speaker 2>socialism has worked either in a city or a country.

1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, did you run into any of that, any

1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:19.560
<v Speaker 2>anybody facing that reality?

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<v Speaker 13>You know, That's something I'm still looking for to.

1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:24.679
<v Speaker 9>Either.

1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:28.920
<v Speaker 13>But and I don't know of anybody who has give me.

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<v Speaker 6>A call if you do.

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<v Speaker 13>But no, that's that's a great point. It's it's one

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<v Speaker 13>of the biggest arguments I hear on the side that

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<v Speaker 13>goes against socialism or democratic socialism, whatever brand name you

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<v Speaker 13>want to give it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 13>And so once again, it's just going to be a

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<v Speaker 13>very interesting time for everybody to keep an eye on

1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:55.200
<v Speaker 13>what is going on in New York. But also maybe

1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:57.800
<v Speaker 13>it was you know, at least take a glance over

1:35:57.960 --> 1:36:01.439
<v Speaker 13>what happens in Minneapolis over there. That mayor has been

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<v Speaker 13>in charge for the past eight years and he had

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<v Speaker 13>to weather the whole George Floyd thing. My article points

1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:13.520
<v Speaker 13>out when George Floyd was was killed in police custody,

1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:17.920
<v Speaker 13>as we all remember, places especially Minneapolis, were on fire.

1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:22.760
<v Speaker 13>People were just really really outraged, and that video you know,

1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:26.599
<v Speaker 13>did shock people's conscience for sure. But with that said,

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<v Speaker 13>the mayor, while condemning some of those actions of the police, said,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, we don't need to cut, you know, defund

1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:40.960
<v Speaker 13>the police. That doesn't help us. And he faced a

1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:43.360
<v Speaker 13>lot of heat for that. And I was in Minneapolis

1:36:43.400 --> 1:36:48.360
<v Speaker 13>and saw that. To this day, there are signs against

1:36:48.400 --> 1:36:52.160
<v Speaker 13>the mayor in people's yards. There are Black Lives Matter signs,

1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:58.120
<v Speaker 13>you know. There, there's a lot of palatable and visual

1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:02.439
<v Speaker 13>signs that the mayor faced a lot of pushback over

1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:05.040
<v Speaker 13>his refusal to defund the police, which was a big

1:37:05.080 --> 1:37:05.639
<v Speaker 13>push there.

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<v Speaker 2>What the heck is wrong with those people? I mean,

1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, But hey, let me ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you happen to see any footage of the Mondommie

1:37:15.240 --> 1:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>visit to President Trump in the Oval office?

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<v Speaker 1>And if you did, what are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 14>Well?

1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:26.080
<v Speaker 13>I did take a look at that, and what was

1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:30.720
<v Speaker 13>I heard? One person described the encounter as rather collegial,

1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:36.160
<v Speaker 13>so they exchanged some pretty copsteak barbs back and forth.

1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:40.800
<v Speaker 13>But I guess maybe there's just sort of a recognition

1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:45.479
<v Speaker 13>at least. This is just my impression that you got

1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:49.519
<v Speaker 13>to work with the guy somehow and Trump, people who

1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:52.120
<v Speaker 13>know Trump have all told me, and I think he's

1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:56.160
<v Speaker 13>even publicly admitted this in many ways. Yet he is

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<v Speaker 13>a New Yorker at heart.

1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:02.880
<v Speaker 14>He does love of New York and it's really where

1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:05.960
<v Speaker 14>he made his name, literally on the skyline there.

1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:12.360
<v Speaker 13>And you know, he does want New York to succeed

1:38:12.479 --> 1:38:15.559
<v Speaker 13>and to soar, and he doesn't want the place to

1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:19.280
<v Speaker 13>crash and burn. He loves the place. So if that means,

1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:26.320
<v Speaker 13>you know, doing what he can to sort of work

1:38:26.400 --> 1:38:28.840
<v Speaker 13>with what he's what he has to work, which is

1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:33.240
<v Speaker 13>the elected mayor. Now you know, but I also got

1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:37.320
<v Speaker 13>the feeling that you know, and this is again based

1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:39.400
<v Speaker 13>on just my observations of Trump, and I think most

1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:43.240
<v Speaker 13>people would agree that Trump has a history of you

1:38:43.280 --> 1:38:46.639
<v Speaker 13>can make nice with Trump, but you really cross him.

1:38:46.720 --> 1:38:51.200
<v Speaker 14>He doesn't suffer that gladly, No, no question about it,

1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:52.400
<v Speaker 14>No question about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I wanted to ask that too, with the situation

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<v Speaker 2>with if you want to possible breaks on the socialism movement,

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<v Speaker 2>you make the point very well in the article Jannels

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<v Speaker 2>that the various city councils, especially the one in New

1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>York City Mondommie's not going to be able to do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the hell he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that accurate? That's how I'm reading it.

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<v Speaker 13>Oh yeah, I interviewed a man who very succinctly put

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<v Speaker 13>it that no single mayor or single person could turn

1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:29.120
<v Speaker 13>an entire city communist or socialist or whatever you want

1:39:29.120 --> 1:39:32.599
<v Speaker 13>to call it. And you know, that's what the American

1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:36.280
<v Speaker 13>system of checks and balances, you know, you know, it's

1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:38.200
<v Speaker 13>one of the saving graces of our system is that,

1:39:38.600 --> 1:39:40.080
<v Speaker 13>you know, you can't just go in and make these

1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:44.280
<v Speaker 13>sweeping changes, like the money is under under perhaps state

1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:47.120
<v Speaker 13>control for some of these things that he wants to do,

1:39:47.200 --> 1:39:50.519
<v Speaker 13>like the free bus rides for everybody and things like that.

1:39:51.120 --> 1:39:55.360
<v Speaker 13>So if you can't get that funding, that proposal is

1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:59.280
<v Speaker 13>going to go nowhere, right right. So one guy I interviewed,

1:39:59.320 --> 1:40:01.200
<v Speaker 13>who was the former sheets of staff for the current

1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:05.040
<v Speaker 13>mayor Eric Adams. He told me that some New New

1:40:05.120 --> 1:40:10.320
<v Speaker 13>Yorkers really looked like a skance at these proposals and said,

1:40:10.360 --> 1:40:13.160
<v Speaker 13>wait a minute, this seems misleading. He can't do that,

1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:20.479
<v Speaker 13>And so he was talking about how to end the article.

1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:24.040
<v Speaker 13>On a note he pretty much said, you know, although

1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:26.800
<v Speaker 13>New Yorkers are a little wary about what's going to

1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:30.720
<v Speaker 13>happen here, the New Yorkers are a tough lot. I

1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:32.880
<v Speaker 13>think most people kind of know that you don't kind

1:40:32.880 --> 1:40:35.040
<v Speaker 13>of most New Yorkers are kind of like Trump. They

1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:37.479
<v Speaker 13>got kind of a rough edge and they they won't

1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:40.240
<v Speaker 13>they don't put up with people messing around with him

1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:46.040
<v Speaker 13>too much. And you know, they're resilient, and you know,

1:40:46.040 --> 1:40:48.200
<v Speaker 13>look at what happened after you know, nine to eleven,

1:40:48.520 --> 1:40:52.719
<v Speaker 13>you know, and the idea is that he really believes

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<v Speaker 13>that the city, regardless of what this one mayor does,

1:40:56.680 --> 1:41:00.639
<v Speaker 13>is going to be quote a robust city and at

1:41:00.640 --> 1:41:05.400
<v Speaker 13>the center of commerce, culture and tourism despite his politics.

1:41:04.880 --> 1:41:05.080
<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I gotta admit he has an impressive presence. He's

1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>only thirty four years old. In the Oval Office, he

1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>was standing, Trump was sitting very respectful to the president.

1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't agree with anything he does but

1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>or will do. I think the thing of it is, though,

1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.200
<v Speaker 2>it was nice to see a little collegiality for once,

1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:29.560
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't expect that.

1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.719
<v Speaker 13>Some of Trump's base I don't think was too happy,

1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:38.840
<v Speaker 13>I know, but you know, I think a lot of

1:41:38.880 --> 1:41:43.120
<v Speaker 13>Americans would like to see people who are politically opposed

1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:47.960
<v Speaker 13>able to set aside those differences to get things done.

1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:51.720
<v Speaker 13>Just enough to do that, and they go back to

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<v Speaker 13>scrapping if.

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<v Speaker 6>They need to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't get a chance. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And it busts apart families too, I know all too well.

1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:05.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, you got family oh way up on the

1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>on the top and politics way down. And nobody's ever

1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:13.800
<v Speaker 2>seen a phenomena like that before. And somebody was saying

1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:16.439
<v Speaker 2>the other day, and whoever it was, I valued their

1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:22.960
<v Speaker 2>opinion that the DSM Diagnostic Statistics Manual. I think it's called, uh,

1:42:23.240 --> 1:42:26.559
<v Speaker 2>they're thinking about making that an actual.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you call it, mental illness or whatever.

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<v Speaker 13>I know this yeah, diagnosis. Yeah, you know. All I

1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:40.800
<v Speaker 13>can say is that it is really sad. I think

1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:43.679
<v Speaker 13>we all can cite examples from our lives where people

1:42:43.720 --> 1:42:46.759
<v Speaker 13>have become so polarized that family won't talk to family.

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<v Speaker 13>Coming up on Thanksgiving tomorrow, you gotta watch what you

1:42:50.960 --> 1:42:53.120
<v Speaker 13>talk about. But I've even heard that quite a few

1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:58.639
<v Speaker 13>people have given their their relatives like the brush off.

1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:01.240
<v Speaker 13>Even if there wasn't an art, if they just found

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<v Speaker 13>out that, you know, you voted for Biden, I can't

1:43:05.000 --> 1:43:06.360
<v Speaker 13>talk to you. You voted for Trump.

1:43:06.400 --> 1:43:08.000
<v Speaker 6>I can't talk to you. You're cut off.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm not you know, there's no wasn't even an argument.

1:43:10.080 --> 1:43:11.559
<v Speaker 13>It was just sort of like after they found out

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<v Speaker 13>the political leanings, the family's pretty much had an emotional divorce.

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<v Speaker 11>I guess you could call it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what. And you see that on

1:43:20.160 --> 1:43:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the left quite a bit. But I've never seen a

1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:26.080
<v Speaker 2>case where and I'm sure there are some out there

1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:29.960
<v Speaker 2>where a Republican said, hey, man, you know you voted

1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:31.839
<v Speaker 2>against what I wanted.

1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:35.439
<v Speaker 1>You voted for Kamala. I'm done with you. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side. It seems like, well that's what

1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I've heard.

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<v Speaker 13>But I don't have any evidence to support that. But

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<v Speaker 13>I like away from that. But if we have another minute,

1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:49.880
<v Speaker 13>like there's something I wanted to raise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we do have just about a minute.

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<v Speaker 13>Ye, what I'm working on right now. So I just

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<v Speaker 13>turned in a story that is really really fascinating that

1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:07.720
<v Speaker 13>talks about the massive welfare fraud that is happening in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Of dollars the Somalians that were supposed.

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<v Speaker 13>To go to hungry kids, right the homes, et cetera.

1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:19.439
<v Speaker 13>And Somalis were getting a hold with money by filing

1:44:19.600 --> 1:44:23.120
<v Speaker 13>fraudulent claims, sending a lot of it back to Somalia

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<v Speaker 13>and allegedly this is being investigated ending up in the

1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:31.000
<v Speaker 13>hands of terrorists there that mean harmony.

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<v Speaker 6>The United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, so I read a little bit. It's

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable they're doing all this stuff with our money. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just how that could have happened is beyond me.

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<v Speaker 1>So you wrote about it.

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<v Speaker 13>Is that what you're saying and hasn't been published yet.

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<v Speaker 13>It is now making its way through our system. But

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<v Speaker 13>I'm actually going to be doing a really in death

1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:56.080
<v Speaker 13>support on that as well. Some of these scannels have

1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:59.880
<v Speaker 13>been actually brewing. Charges were initially filed in twenty twenty

1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:03.320
<v Speaker 13>two in one case and there are now seventy eight

1:45:03.439 --> 1:45:08.040
<v Speaker 13>defendants charge. Wow, with that one scandal one of the

1:45:08.160 --> 1:45:12.280
<v Speaker 13>three major scandals, and several more minor scandals too.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, that's going to be one to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Janis really appreciates you coming in and filling us in

1:45:17.800 --> 1:45:20.200
<v Speaker 2>on all this and hope we can call on you again.

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<v Speaker 13>Well sure, and I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 13>Play nice at the dinner table.

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<v Speaker 1>People, you have a great Thanksgiving, Janis, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh Hi, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I'm overtime here. I did want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank my great producer, Big Dave Keaton.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow noon to three Willie shift, So have some good

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<v Speaker 2>guests and hopefully some calls. Mike Allen seven hundred WLW