1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Shelby Harris five six six nine zeros or Kawai Commons 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Spurry health text line. We played the Russell Wilson audio 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: just a little bit ago as he was on the 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Bustle with the Boys podcast talking about Sean Payton talking 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: about the skirmish they had back in October when Shawn 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: took a shot at him in the postgame press conference, 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: and then Russell Wilson fired back on Twitter. I want 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: to ask you one more question about this, and I 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: want to read this tweet from Mike Sando more recent 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: on Sean Payton giving up play calling. When you think 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: about I guess retroactively Dave on why it didn't work 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: with Russ and Sean, how much do you think that 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: was personality and how much do you think that was 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: play style? 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think personality always plays a part. 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: I mean, you learn your role as a player and 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: especially when you get to the NFL. But the quarterback 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: is the sort of lone wolf on NFL teams in 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 2: terms of being afforded the whether it's a respect thing 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: or luxury. He's going to be able to say more, 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: He's going to be able to exhibit at times more 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: frustration he's going to be able to be more real 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: in his emotions and then the coach just sort of 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: has to learn how to deal with that. And a 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: lot of times I think head coaches will if they 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: have a quarterback that sort of fires on them. And 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: with so many TV cameras now, if that happens, it's 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: probably going to get recorded. 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: So when that happens, I think. 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: The coach will aliby that is saying, hey, that's just, 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: you know, that's just, and then insert the name of 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: the quarterback being competitive. I love his spirit, I love 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: his fire, you know, I love the fact that he 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: would do anything to win. I want my guy wired 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: like that. If if it's another position, that's not what 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: the coach is saying. When when he's asked about that, 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: he may say, you know it was it was I 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: love his fire, but whatever. But I bet that that 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: player more than likely doesn't do that again. So, yes, 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: personality plays a role in it. But I think you 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: know what kind of successes we have have we had. 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I think anybody who watched listen to games 43 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: last year would say there were times, not all the time, 44 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: times that bow was frustrated with play calls, not getting 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: in quick enough. That's not that's not, you know, so 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: unusual in the NFL that that happens. 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: It's not just the Broncos. Things like that happen all over. 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: That happens all over the league. You know, every coach 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 4: is trying to hold the play call off as long 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: as they can, trying to you know, really try to 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: call the perfect play. But I really believe that a 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: great head coach, regardless of the personalities of the quarterback 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: or or the head coach, a great head coach has 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: got to got to find a way to be you know, 55 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: cool with everybody, you know, especially your quarterback, because more 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: likely you get married to your quarterback, and especially if 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: it's a young quarterback, you might have him for fifteen years. 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 3: So it's a. 59 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 5: Situation where the head coach has to find a way 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 5: to connect with his quarterback, specifically because you tour together. 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 5: It's hand at hand. The two people are going to 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 5: get the most blame for the failures are going to 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 5: be the head coach in the quarterback. The two people 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 5: are going to get the most, you know, the most 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 5: hype for the successes, the head coach and the quarterback. 66 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 5: So it's a joint thing, and it does the team 67 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 5: no good when the head coach and quarterback are on 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: different pages. And so it just would really benefit any 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 5: situation like that to fix it as soon as possible 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 5: undred present. 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: So Mike Stander with The Athletic he covered Russell Wilson 72 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: up in Seattle for a very long time, and he 73 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: tweets this out coach tweeting Russell Wilson comment on the 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: podcast from today and I thought this was fascinating. We'll 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: probably spend more time on the other side, but he said, 76 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: would be so refreshing if Russell Wilson would show off 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: authenticity like this more, including vulnerability, would help his legacy. 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 6: Speaking of vulnerability, does anyone. 79 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Think Sean Payton woke up one day and decided to 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: give up play calling? I need convincing the elite callers 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: home grind Walsh read the Shanahan's McVay nor Turner simply 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: do not do that on their own. Has someone on 83 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: their level done it voluntarily? Situation in Denver is very 84 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: very interesting to me. 85 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you read that quote from Sando, I was 86 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: trying to think of another play caller that voluntarily sort 87 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: of gave up his play calling duties. It was one 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: of the reasons why, you know, for the last month 89 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: and a half, I've said, I don't think that's going 90 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: to happen this year. I mean, you hired Sean Payton 91 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: for a number of reasons. You hired him to change 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: the culture of your team, which I think he's done 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: a good job in doing. He also hired him for 94 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: his play design and play calling. He's regarded as, whether 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: you want to agree or not, he's regarded as one 96 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: of the top play callers play designers in the game. 97 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: But so that's why I didn't think. You know, I 98 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: don't have any evidence that anybody has sort of twisted 99 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: nicely his arm. 100 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: I don't, and so I'm not going to act like 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: I do. 102 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: But I also can't dismiss Sando's comment as being completely 103 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: out of the realm of being possible, right. I don't 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: have an idea why he chose to do this other than. 105 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: My guess, and this is a guess, is. 106 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: That when they all sat down, it was expressed, listen, 107 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: we would very much like to keep Davis web Davis 108 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: Webb is interviewing for a number of positions in which 109 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: he's going to be the play caller, So you guys 110 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: figure out what's the best way for us to keep 111 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: Davis web Now maybe it was a conversation like that 112 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: from Ownership with Sean and who else or whomever else. 113 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 5: Well, the first thing I guess I would say is 114 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 5: I really like this Russell Wilson that we saw. And 115 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 5: I think Mike did have a point though, is the 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 5: knock on Russell Wilson throughout his whole career is that 117 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 5: he just it didn't seem very genuine. It wasn't very authentic. 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 5: It didn't feel like he could really connect with him 119 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 5: through his interviews or you know, you can't really relate 120 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 5: to him. 121 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: Ronco's country, Let's rot, you feel me, Let's rub. 122 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 5: But that interview he did with Bustling with the Boys 123 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 5: was the most human he's ever sounded like. Because usually 124 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 5: a Russell Wilson would be, ah, that doesn't bother me, 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 5: as you know, it would take the high road. He 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 5: let this known that it bothered him, and so I 127 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 5: think that was a great move by him. But also 128 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 5: it helps repair his image and it helps really put 129 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 5: the notion forth that he is really like becoming more 130 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: of a human, you know, to be about being more 131 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 5: genuine now. But also I believe though that you know, 132 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 5: the idea that something had to happen to force Davis 133 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 5: web to be the play caller. I don't think that's 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 5: necessarily true. I think once again, I just think Sean 135 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 5: realizes that Davis Webb is such a real positive force 136 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 5: for this team. You can't let him go. Wait, I 137 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 5: know you got to go. But we did have a 138 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 5: text brought up a good uh point. Dave, Ryan and 139 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 5: Shelby Nick Siriani gave a play calling in Philadelphia and 140 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 5: they went to the super Bowl. 141 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: That is a fact. 142 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 5: Okay, these weekly ones had up ain't gonna be like 143 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 5: damn bit chall Okay, I shouldn't have been talking to 144 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 5: some chaz now you live been that ass. 145 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: I'm not in a good math. 146 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: But you take a gander here, like I don't know, 147 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: forty nine for me and thirty seven for Ryan, thirty 148 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: seven for Ben. Nick's got four to where you at? 149 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 5: I think I'll I think I'll be right at probably 150 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 5: like fifty five. 151 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 6: Once. 152 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 5: If you want a week, you know, I've only been 153 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 5: here one full week, and I don't. 154 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: Know what it is. 155 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 6: I've only been here for one full We win that week. 156 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 5: I should have. I'm pretty sure that Ryan changed my picks. 157 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 5: One of the night's famous. 158 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 6: Famous for that. Do you mean famous? 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: I think that. 160 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 6: Wow, compared to both of you, like you look, you 161 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 6: didn't fire back. 162 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: On Kareem Jackson. You you're lucky. Did you ever think 163 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: about it? 164 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 5: No? 165 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 6: No, I have watched that guy play football. I'm good. Yeah, 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 6: what you sort of see a guy want to. 167 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 5: Keep you relatively healthy. If he's want to get himself 168 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 5: kicked out of games, imagine what he's want. 169 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: To do to you, like and it's one of those 170 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: deals where you have to see somebody in face to face. 171 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 6: There's no reason to fire back. 172 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: Did you ever see him after he said then? Yeah? 173 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: Several times and and you tell you I'm a little dude. 174 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: How to go? I love, mister Jackson. 175 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 6: I certainly didn't say it like that. 176 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, mister Jackson. 177 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 6: I I I don't even think I brought it up. 178 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: I just we just moved on. We moved on with 179 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 6: our life. 180 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: I mean, how were you to him? 181 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 6: I Twitter? 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey buddy, Hey, yeah, hi, Kareem. I was probably 183 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: a little higher, like an active higher mister Jackson. Mister Jackson, 184 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't have an issue with it. 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: I understood where he was coming from. The only thing 186 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: I corrected him on, at least on Twitter, was I 187 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: said that this was actually been in Albright. It was 188 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: his that thing that he was coming after Kareem Jackson. 189 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: I was actually being very supportive. But you know sort 190 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: of that Nick's supportive. Oh, I mean, I'm just like 191 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: that's supportive. I mean just trying to I'm trying to 192 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: determine what level of support. 193 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 6: Well, certainly more supports than Shelby gives a bow. 194 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: Well, I don't. 195 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 5: The only negative thing I've ever said about Bo is 196 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 5: when he played us in Denver and he did not 197 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 5: have a good game. 198 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: By pro bo all pro Well, we do. I don't 199 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: have the audio of what you actually. 200 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: Said draft night, just I don't want it. 201 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 6: I don't think that. 202 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: Also, of all the times I gave him nothing a compliments. 203 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: No, actually I think that was lost. I I appreciate 204 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: that you think that exists. Say what, we gotta hit 205 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: a break here we were talking about in the break 206 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Mike Evans agent saying that if the Broncos have interest, 207 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: they got to get real to Courtland Sudden. 208 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 6: This makes no sense We're going to get to that 209 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 6: coming up neck. 210 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: News on the running backs, the Free Asian running backs 211 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: get to that coming up here in a little bit too. 212 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: But Mike Evans, so obviously future Hall of Famer, no 213 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: denying that fact, coming off a bit of a disappointing 214 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 215 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 6: Has spent his entire career there was it, eleven eleven 216 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 6: straight thousand yard seasons. I think something like that. 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Before last year we only had three hundred sixty eight, 218 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: but he played only in eight games. His agent told 219 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: Luca Evans Evan Evan Evan that his agent, Derek Gilmour 220 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: said that if the Broncos wanted Mike Evans, they quote 221 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: have to get rid of Cortland Sutton. I don't think 222 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: they're going to do that, So I don't think Evans 223 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: ends up there. I mean, there's always I see where 224 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: that is coming from. The question I have for you, 225 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Dave right now, which rather off 226 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Courland said, or Mike Evans, not over the course of 227 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: their career, because Evans is no doubt Hall of Famer 228 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: right now and maybe for the next couple of years. 229 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, because that's that's that option is not 230 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: going to be on the table, right So, But I 231 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: but I'm not mad at the at the agent, because 232 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you're trying to you're trying to get Mike Evans. 233 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: You represent Mike Evans. You're trying to get him to 234 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: a place that he can spend the next whatever two 235 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: or three years. How many years does they have left 236 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: the best place possible? Would you want to send him 237 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: to a place that already has a guy that is 238 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: I mean coming off court, is coming off for pretty 239 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: good seae seventy catches over a thousand yards. So I 240 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: think he was just being honest there. I think the 241 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: thing with Evans. Evans has been a spectacular receiver in 242 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: this league, but at his he's thirty two. I think 243 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: Shelby said, so broke a collar bone last year. If 244 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: you think that he's a durable dude, And I mean 245 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: I've seen I'm seeing him play enough over the over 246 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: the years to know this was a big guy that 247 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: could really run. He was not a typical sort of 248 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: possession receiver. He was a guy that could run by you. 249 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: Does he still have that burst? 250 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, I. 251 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: Haven't, but I'd want to see time on him and 252 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: see that he has that. But as he said, it's 253 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: it's not going to happen here. 254 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: But you wouldn't like force it, right, This is one 255 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: of those like no, I would not. He's such an 256 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: undeniable guy to improve us. I think it's I think 257 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: it's if. 258 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: If Mike Evans came here and was healthy, and they 259 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: determine he's still you know, his legs are good, his 260 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: knees are good, he's healthy. Is he an improvement for 261 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: the Broncos? Absolutely? Absolutely he is. But I'm not getting 262 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: rid of Courtland for that reason because Mike Evans has 263 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: come to town. 264 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 5: I'm not getting rid of Courtland because I love bow Knicks. 265 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 5: If you love bow Knicks, you don't want to get 266 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 5: rid of Courtland because that's bow Knicks' savor receiver at 267 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 5: this point. And we all know, you know, it's it's 268 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 5: easy to switch out players and Courtland for this or that, 269 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 5: but none of us really know what Cortland really does 270 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 5: for bow and you know, they just it seems like 271 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 5: it connects, and sometimes you do switch them, switch a 272 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 5: guy out, it's not the same connection, and you're trying 273 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 5: to force it. So I'm a big believer that Courtland 274 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 5: balled out last year. He had a really good year. 275 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 5: And I believe that you ride with Cortland over on 276 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 5: Mike Evans because you don't want to switch up the 277 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 5: dynamic of anything, especially considering that Mike Evans is at 278 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 5: the tail end of his career. Courtland is in the 279 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: middle of his career. And so the idea is that 280 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 5: if you can have Courtland for four or five one 281 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,359 Speaker 5: years ago, that's the success. 282 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: So in your opinion, then are you not doing this 283 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: movie for like aj Brown either, because you're saying I 284 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: want to mess up what we got going here. 285 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 5: Well, something has to happen, and I don't think Cortland 286 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 5: was the problem. And obviously we keep talking about you 287 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 5: needed that the Broncos needed another receiver. I said, they 288 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 5: need another receiver with Courtland Sudden, not to replace Courtland Sudden, 289 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 5: because that still does nothing for the death you know 290 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 5: what I mean. You still have the same guys in 291 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 5: the back end for death wise, and that's why I 292 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 5: like Courtland. And maybe if you want to go get 293 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: a Tyreek Hill. I'm not saying him, but a guy 294 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 5: of his like a he guy who can you compare next? 295 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 5: To him that's established, then maybe you know that makes sense. 296 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: I think some of this comes down to what the 297 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: Broncos feel about guys like Troy Franklin, Marvin Mems, and 298 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: and Pat Bryant. I think they really like Pat Bryant. 299 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: I think they think Pat Bryant can develop into a 300 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: top tier receiver in the league because he he does 301 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: a couple of things that not every receiver does. He 302 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: will he will block, and he'll make tough catches. He'll 303 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: sacrifice his body to make tough catches those guys. And 304 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: he wasn't necessarily a high draft choice, I think third round, 305 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: so he's not he's not breaking the bank. He's still 306 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: in his rookie contract. I think Pat Bryant they expect 307 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: to sort of flourish next year. I think they also 308 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: still have hopes for Troy Franklin, right, who had a 309 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: had a year second year where he clearly improved numbers wise. 310 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: Are they certain about him? Probably not not yet. What 311 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: do you do with Marvin Mims? Can you create some 312 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: more opportunities on the offensive side, not in the special teams, 313 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: but the offensive side with Marvin Mims? So yeah, I 314 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: think I think it'd be good to add another guy. 315 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: But I think it depends on what they think of 316 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: not so much of Courtland, but of those three young. 317 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: Receivers and if they're ready to contribute next year, because 318 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 5: the one thing you would hate is you send out 319 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 5: Courtland and then all the other guys are still not 320 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 5: producing at the level you expected of them, because then 321 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 5: the ideas you're trying to get better and build on 322 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 5: last year not start completely over. And that's kind of 323 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: what I think you're doing if you switch out Courtland 324 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 5: for another. 325 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: Receiver, So you're saying add complimentary two rather than remake 326 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: the room. Which there's a lot of Broncos fans that 327 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: would prefer to see a true one being broad in here. 328 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: I think that's why the aj Brown thing continues to 329 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: have legs with a lot of Broncos fans because they 330 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: see that as a this is a true one. 331 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 6: This is a guy that it doesn't matter what kind 332 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 6: of cover. 333 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: Now, he's got his own personality stuff and whatever you 334 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: think about that, but he has shown the ability to 335 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: be dominant at that level. 336 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 5: Personality is stuff. All I've heard is he's a great teammate, 337 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's easy to look at 338 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 5: something on the sideline and blow it out of proportion 339 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 5: and then call him a bad teammate. Well, hell, I 340 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 5: even had to blow up with Vic Fangi on the 341 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 5: sideline once, and you know that people were asking, oh, 342 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 5: and it was funny because then it came out with 343 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 5: a black eye after halftime and everybody tried to claim 344 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 5: it was me. 345 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 6: But you know that's we laugh that off, but we 346 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 6: know the truth. 347 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 5: Yeah it was not so but like yes, like, and 348 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: that's the thing is And so everything I've heard about A. J. 349 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 5: Brown is the only good things. Like I've only heard 350 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 5: good things about him in the locker room as him 351 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 5: as a player, you know, obviously him as a person. 352 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: But the one thing is it's as scary because of 353 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 5: where the Broncos got last year. The goal obviously is 354 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 5: to is always be better, but one or two moves 355 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 5: that you think you're improving the team could always end 356 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 5: up backfiring. And now you're six and eleven. 357 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: So before we talk about the nugget, say you want 358 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on last night and where they're at. 359 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: A buddy mind Jordan Reed, who works for ESPN. He 360 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: put out as a two round mock post combine thing. 361 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: And we won't do mocks every day, I promise, even 362 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: though I get nerdy about it. 363 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 6: But I had a couple questions for you. 364 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: First of all, his two round mocky has the Broncos 365 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: taking Emmanuel McNeil Warren. 366 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 6: It's a safety at a Toledo. It's a ball hawk. 367 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: He got two interceptions last year, three four fumble. He's 368 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: a guy that just all around the ball. He's a safety, okay. 369 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: And then they had them taking with his second pick, 370 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: Malachi Fields, wide receiver round of Notre Dame. It was 371 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: really I mean, six foot four, two hundred and twenty 372 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: three pounds, four to six. He did, yes, he didn't 373 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: not super speed, which is probably why even though he 374 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: looks dominant, he's probably not going to be a first 375 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: round guy. But anyways, Oh, the question I have for you, Dave, 376 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: is how do you think Broncos fans react if they 377 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: go with another dB this year in the first round. 378 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: My guess would be the top of their heads would 379 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: blow off. I mean that I'm just I'm just telling 380 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: you the truth. But that all due respect, I mean 381 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: that everybody's entitled to watch, you know, the draft and 382 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: the days leading up to the draft and listen to 383 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: all the shows and read the mocks, and I mean 384 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: it just it keeps, uh, it keeps a lot of 385 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: people employed. I get that and a lot And there 386 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: are some guys that spend a lot of time and 387 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: really are pretty good at it researching different players and 388 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: understanding what teams needs are and getting to know teams 389 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 2: front office personnel. And but yeah, I think to your point, 390 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: it would not be if the Broncos draft is safety 391 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: would not be like a real gletsy sort of pick. 392 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: And I think also what they do in free agency, 393 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: I think that will play a huge factor in terms 394 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: of how they view the draft. Right, those two things 395 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: go hand in hand. So if you get a guy 396 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: here in free agency at a certain position, well then 397 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: the need is not to get another one might not 398 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: be a need in a high draft spot. 399 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: But one thing I will say about drafting McNeil Warren 400 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: is Brandon Jones is in the final year of his contract. 401 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: PJ. 402 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: Lock's a free agent this year, so you could see 403 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: the path if not this year, but in as soon 404 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: as next year to where he's your starting safety next 405 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: to Teleno Hufanga. 406 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 3: Like that. 407 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: The one thing with the Jade Baron pick. I think 408 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: that frustrating for a lot of Broncos fans. There's not 409 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: a very clear path for him to be a starter, 410 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: especially and we haven't talked about it yet with you, 411 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: especially after bringing back Jaquan McMillan on the second round tender. 412 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, ja Kuan had the kind of season you 413 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: had to bring him back. I mean they would have 414 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: out of their mind. They had to let him. I 415 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: mean absolutely had to bring him back. It's the beauty 416 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: of the NFL in this sense. Yes, Jade Baron was 417 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: a high draft choice. Yes, I mean really well spoken, 418 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: young guy, has his head on his shoulders, great work ethic. 419 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: I still think is going to be a really good player. 420 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: But you know what, in the NFL, after they draft 421 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: you and say all those nice things about you, then 422 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: all of that stuff goes out the window, and you've 423 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: got to be able to find a position and fit 424 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: in and ultimately beat somebody else out at that position. 425 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: So maybe this is a year for Jade Baron. I 426 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: would think the Broncos want to get him on the field, 427 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: but they also you can't afford to take a guy 428 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: like Jade Baron off the field right now. Based on 429 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: how he played this year. 430 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 5: You've just got to figure out and this is what 431 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 5: happens to teams that you find out actually have good rosters, 432 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 5: and this is a crop be part of the businesses. 433 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: You got to figure out who you want to replace. 434 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 5: And right now it seems like obviously the talk is 435 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: any receiver. The talk is also be an off ball linebacker. 436 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 5: And I don't think safety is one of those things that, 437 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 5: like like Dave said, Broncos Country will go crazy if 438 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 5: you draft another safety. I just think that you either 439 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 5: have to find a way to get one of the 440 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 5: receivers you want, or you got to get an off 441 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 5: ball linebacker something like that, but you cannot or even 442 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: you could try to trade back and get and have 443 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 5: like two first rounds next year, whatever, you just cannot 444 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 5: go in there and grab another safety. You have to 445 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 5: find a way. 446 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 6: Even though I just painted a picture of he could 447 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 6: be a starter. 448 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: For you next year, you mean this upcoming season in. 449 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty seven, you could be starting McNeil Warren next 450 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: to Telenovufonga, So you'd be drafting the future of that position. 451 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: You wouldn't be starting him year one. Some people have 452 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: an opinion yet start your first round picks, but you 453 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: would have a path by twenty twenty seven for him 454 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: to be a starter for you. 455 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: I think the Broncos, honestly in their current position, cannot 456 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: afford to view the draft that way because you have 457 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: the quarterback of the future on a rookie contract. 458 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: So to me, you've got to take. 459 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: That into consideration when you talk about the draft. And 460 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: if you're drafting a guy and you say, well, he's 461 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: probably you're not going to beat out Brandon Jones and 462 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: he's not going to beat out tell him to Hufunga. 463 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: But if we don't sign if we don't sign Jones, 464 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: then maybe he's the guy that could be teamed with 465 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: Hufunga in twenty twenty seven. I think you got to 466 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: go all in on twenty twenty six and try to 467 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 2: find a way to take it a game more longer 468 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: in the season than you took it this year. 469 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 5: There's thing of those times where I remember when Ann 470 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 5: Rogers was in Green Bay, right and they would make 471 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: it to the championship brown and then making you know, 472 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 5: the round of four, and they struggle at a receiver. 473 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 5: They needed more receiver help, and every year they did 474 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: not draft the receiver. And it's literally the same issues 475 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 5: kept popping up in the same part as the playoffs 476 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 5: year after year after year. You have such a small 477 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 5: window when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal, 478 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 5: you gotta get the pieces to help you win this year. 479 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 5: You can have another first round pick that does not contribute, 480 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 5: like Johnny Barron did not give you much this rookie year. 481 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 5: He has to come in here the second year and 482 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 5: ball out. 483 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: And there's no definite path for him to do that 484 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: as we sit here. No, it's gonna take some creative 485 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: meetings and coaches. They can outside the box. And you know, 486 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what that looks like. I really don't. 487 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: Would you open up competition with him? Riley Man Riley 488 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: won't be here? Well, Riley is on the lineast year 489 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: was contract? 490 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 5: Riley. I'm just is this The more I keep hearing 491 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 5: about it, the more as it seems like Jada Baron 492 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 5: is going to have to play. And then they just 493 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 5: brought the other guy for on the second round. Ten 494 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 5: the we're five and a half, So what does that 495 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: tell you? Somebody has to be the odd man out 496 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 5: And if they were to make a move I'm telling 497 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 5: you it'd be best for Riley and for the team 498 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 5: because then the bad talk you hear about Riley all 499 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 5: the time is the penalties and it's targeted a bunch. 500 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: So he can go somewhere and settle all that stuff 501 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 5: down and then get himself the bag. 502 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: I've heard the same thing that that maybe they move Moss. 503 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: I think part of that would depend on how they 504 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: view Jadda Barron in practice, because he's you know, he's 505 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: had a full season. Here is he a guy that 506 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: you can line up opposite of passers in because we 507 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: know what happens in the corner. Whomever it is that 508 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: lines up opposite a pat, you get some you get 509 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: some extra biscuits with the gravy, right, So do they 510 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: think he's that guy or do they think he's better 511 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 2: playing inside? And if he plays inside, what does that 512 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: mean for Jadda Barron. 513 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 3: Who you you know? 514 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 6: Or Jake One? 515 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean Jakwan McMillan. 516 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 2: So these are good problems to have, but these are 517 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: problems that you know, we'll be talked about in meetings 518 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: probably as we speak and moving forward, before free agency 519 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: is done and before the draft is. 520 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 3: About to take place. 521 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: You know, they said there's no such thing as too 522 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: many DB's until you have too many DB's and then 523 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 5: there's only enough you know, positions for people to play, 524 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 5: and you can't play everybody. And they have more invested 525 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: in in Jadday Barron than they do Riley Moss. And 526 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 5: I don't think it's necessarily about play. It's about politics 527 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 5: at this point, could be and at that point, and like, 528 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 5: you're not going to sit at Riley Moss because he 529 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 5: does very well with how much it gets targeted. You know, 530 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 5: he does get some trash like, he does get some 531 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 5: trash talk because he's a white corner, but he does 532 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 5: he does very well opposite pastor ten And I believe 533 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 5: that it's in everyone's best interests to separate now and 534 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 5: then because you don't know whos want to sit and 535 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 5: they just paid everybody else. So it's a great problem 536 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: to have. But I just believe that it'd be better 537 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 5: to put your first round pick out there and roll 538 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 5: like that, but that do not use his first round pick, 539 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 5: not on the safety and for the idea of playing 540 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty seven, you need a guy that's going 541 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 5: to go out there and give you snaps weak one. 542 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I think you echo and Dave even pointed 543 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: out what a lot of Broncos fans would feel like, 544 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: I guess. 545 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: Would be the top of their heads would blow off. 546 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: More specifically, more specifically, that's how they would react for 547 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: a moment. We're gonna come back to the Broncos here 548 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: at the top of the are talking. 549 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 6: About running back. 550 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys, so last night Jamal 551 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: Murray went off, I mean forty five points thirteen or 552 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: nineteen from the field, would. 553 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 6: You say this is his best year? 554 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: But more specifically, from a consistency standpoint, it feels like 555 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: night and night out, we've gotten some of the best 556 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: of Jamal Murray. The fact this was on the second 557 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: night of a back to back, I was very impressed. 558 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 2: Last What I would say is if the Nuggets get healthy, 559 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: that they're going to be in the NBA Finals. 560 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: That's what I would say. 561 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: If they don't get healthy, then anything could happen, because 562 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: as they're presently constituted, it's tough sledding. I mean, sled 563 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: dogs are fatigue. They're pulling that damn thing through the antarctica. 564 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: So they've got to get ag back you've got to 565 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: get Christian Brown unlocked a little bit offensively. You've got 566 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: to work as best you can with Cam to help him. 567 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Would you bring him off the bench when you get healthy. 568 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: I think anything would be. I think whatever I think 569 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: in this case, whatever really his comfort level would be. 570 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: We want to get him where he at least feels 571 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: a little bit better about himself. 572 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: He's I mean he is. 573 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: Gosh, we played that cut last night, and if you 574 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: didn't have empathy for that young guy. 575 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: And again, I know he's making a lot of money. 576 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: It's professional basketball, it's the NBA. 577 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 6: I get it, I get it. 578 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: But he's just struggling, like I mean, mightily. 579 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: So whatever you can do to help him overcome that, 580 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: I think anything would be on the table. 581 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 5: It really just depends when they get healthy. There's nineteen 582 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 5: games left in the season, and so the idea that 583 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 5: I have is that if all the healthy people come 584 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 5: back in April, it's over. They got to get some 585 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 5: time in March before and then they gotta get that conditioning. 586 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 5: They got to get back in that result so they 587 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 5: can make it back. I would say by that Trail 588 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 5: Blazers game and really get a good four weeks of basketball. 589 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 5: I like their chances, but the ideas they have to 590 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 5: get healthy. They gotta get used to playing with each 591 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 5: other all over again, because there's new people in the mix. 592 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 5: It's not the same five. You don't have an MPG 593 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 5: out there who's been playing his role for this whole time. 594 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 5: Cam Johnson in a new role and he hasn't really 595 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 5: found a way to fit in yet. So they got 596 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 5: they gotta get healthy fast, and they have to be 597 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 5: able to play with each other in order to be successful. 598 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 5: This team in general, they have so much talent, they 599 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 5: have so much potential, but that's all it is. They 600 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 5: got to figure out a way to unlock that next level. 601 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 5: And you know, Ryan, me and you talked about this. 602 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 5: Joker doesn't look healthy like Joker doesn't necessarily look like 603 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 5: himself right now. He's he's never been a fast guy, 604 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 5: but he's even solwer than usual in his body. He 605 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 5: just seems like he's off. And in order to really 606 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 5: to reach that potential, they need him to be at 607 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 5: his best. So and at a time where you can't 608 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 5: sit him, you're losing his games. But maybe you could 609 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 5: because technically you were playing better when he wasn't playing 610 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 6: In a winning record, No doubt, I right back on 611 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 6: kay Wait