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Speaker 3: All right eron gleam And here is my Royce Lewis question.

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Speaker 3: And there may be a follow up, but levelle and

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Speaker 3: I talked about this on Friday. In a sense, I'm

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Speaker 3: sitting here like you have mentioned, and I'm going, well,

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Speaker 3: is it worth obsessing or laboring over any single managerial

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Speaker 3: move in a season in which there's really very little

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Speaker 3: at stake?

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Speaker 1: But you know, nevertheless you're in it. You say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of.

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Speaker 3: Curious, But it's precisely because I didn't really think anything

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Speaker 3: was at stake that I was surprised that the new

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Speaker 3: manager pulled him in the ninth inning of was it

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Speaker 3: the first game of the year, Opening Day?

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Speaker 1: Final out of opening Day?

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Speaker 3: Exactly because I'm thinking, all right, forget matchups, for we

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Speaker 3: forget whatever else you think you might have an advantage on.

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Speaker 3: This is the year where you're trying to find out

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Speaker 3: whether he can be redeemed and whether he can ever

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Speaker 3: become the player you thought he was going to be,

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Speaker 3: which was a player going to build the whole franchise around.

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Speaker 3: So give me your thinking on it. What the manager's

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Speaker 3: thinking was. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the manager's thinking was as simple

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Speaker 4: as it's a very good, hard throwing right handed closer.

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we want to have a decent left handed

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Speaker 4: bat instead of a decent right handed bat. I am

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Speaker 4: probably more so on the side you're describing, which is, well,

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Speaker 4: two things. One, Trevor Larnick is the guy who pinch

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Speaker 4: hit for him, right, Trevor Larnick is just he's okay,

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Speaker 4: he's not a special left handed hitter. And there's also

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Speaker 4: so what's called the pinch hitter penalty in baseball, which

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Speaker 4: is whatever a guy's baseline performance is. Let's say in

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Speaker 4: your mind, a guy's a two to fifty hitter. Well,

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Speaker 4: if he's in the starting lineup, he'll probably hit two

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Speaker 4: fifty if he's in the starting lineup, But if he's

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Speaker 4: and you're bringing him in for the ninth inning to

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Speaker 4: face a closer cold, having not seen pitches for the

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Speaker 4: whole day, he's probably a two twenty five hitter instead

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Speaker 4: of a two to fifty hitter. And so then you

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Speaker 4: have to even question further, like is Larnick cold off

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Speaker 4: the bench even a better option than Royce Lewis. But

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Speaker 4: then bigger picture, like you're describing, I agree with you,

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Speaker 4: is if it's some sort of marginal improvement for the

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Speaker 4: matchup in the manager's mind, which obviously he thought it

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Speaker 4: was right, yes, is that even worth any sort of

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Speaker 4: negative element of removing Lewis from that spot, because ultimately

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Speaker 4: this season is going to be a success or a failure,

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Speaker 4: not because of one moment like that if Larni comes through,

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Speaker 4: and it also didn't help the reception of that move

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Speaker 4: that he struck out on a pitch out of the

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Speaker 4: zone or whatever. But to your point, they need Royce

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Speaker 4: Lewis to be something, and it's one thing to bat

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Speaker 4: him eighth. I don't have a big problem with that

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Speaker 4: But it's another thing to be like, we don't even

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Speaker 4: and it's not like they're bringing babe Uf off the bench, right,

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Speaker 4: it's a worse or similar hitter. And so now with

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Speaker 4: And I've also heard from people like, okay, he homered

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Speaker 4: maybe they should keep batting am eighth because one thing

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Speaker 4: we've learned about lewis there's no doubt that he's capable

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Speaker 4: and avoiding these season breaking slumps. And if anything, I

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Speaker 4: not give him a month in the eighth spot, reevaluate

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Speaker 1: Agree you can problem move him up, But when you don't.

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Speaker 4: Want to do an my mind is, oh, well he's

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Speaker 1: At that point?

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Speaker 3: Can you ask Leman why the Twins have so many

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Speaker 3: left handed hitting outfielders it's roster mel practice.

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Speaker 4: I wish, I wish I knew. I'm often accused of

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Speaker 4: beating this horse to death over and over again. I agree.

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Speaker 4: They're leading off Austin Martin just because they don't have

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Speaker 4: this has been a thing going back seven or eight

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Speaker 4: they just collect like the Trevor Larnick type, which is

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Speaker 4: the Varlin trade, I don't understand. And I think what

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Speaker 3: Does your intel and instincts tell you that, now that

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Speaker 3: we've had some time go by, that Falve is relieved

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Speaker 4: Id I texted him that like a couple of weeks

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Speaker 4: he will not only be able to land the prominent job.

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Speaker 4: I think he can have his pick of number two

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Speaker 4: if next hiring cycle, so next you know, October November,

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Speaker 4: and that's fine, but I think the perception around the

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Speaker 4: from Folvey's point of view, it was just kind of like,

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Speaker 4: why do I need to keep doing this? Like the

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Speaker 4: walls just kind of kept closing around him to the

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Speaker 1: The roster was what it is.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he was a perfect GM right, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think people are gonna, you know, rock A Bolldell,

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Speaker 4: He's already in the Dodgers front office, and I think

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Speaker 1: And I think the same is probably true with Folllvey.

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Speaker 3: Translate the comments the quotes we got. I think there

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Speaker 3: So is that just what you tend to hear when

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Speaker 3: Rocco before him? How did you interpret those comments and

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Speaker 3: what in terms of what they meant.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of my sense. Even

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Speaker 4: You fire Kelly, you bring in garden Hier, who's the

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Speaker 4: I do think you know. To me, let's say you're

432
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Speaker 4: the six, you can beat the Lakers. As a three,

433
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Speaker 4: we've proven, I mean, they're scarier now.

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Speaker 1: I think they're different.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, let's say you're the five, you can beat Denver,

436
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Speaker 4: and also if you get Houston you can definitely.

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Speaker 1: Be the never too.

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Speaker 4: So from a seeding standpoint, yeah, i'd love to have

439
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Speaker 4: home court. I'd love to have the three or the four.

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Speaker 4: But also from a matchup standpoint, I do think they

441
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Speaker 4: can beat anybody, but okay see probably and now if

442
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Speaker 4: you're in the four or five, you're gonna have to play,

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Speaker 4: okay see in the second round.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the Spurs are some pushover, but like.

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Speaker 4: I do feel like from a matchup standpoint, yes, you

446
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Speaker 4: lose home court if you're the six or the five

447
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Speaker 4: or whatever. But these teams past Spurs okay see, are

448
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Speaker 4: very beatable I think in the playoffs, and so the

449
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Speaker 4: health part worries me. I think they are better deeper

450
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Speaker 4: because of the trade they made. He's played great. I

451
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Speaker 4: think he's been a good fit. Also when he needs

452
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Speaker 4: to be elevated to the starting lineup, he comes through.

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Speaker 1: I like that. But the McDaniel's thing worries me.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we saw a couple of years ago when he

455
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Speaker 4: was out for the playoffs, like how fast things can

456
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Speaker 4: fall apart. But mind like, maybe I view them a

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Speaker 4: little bit lower upside. But also I am not impressed

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Speaker 4: by Houston at all. I still think the Lakers in

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Speaker 4: a playoff setting can be roasted by a good offense.

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Speaker 1: And Denver is.

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Speaker 3: Good although they're not guarding. I mean, they won six

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Speaker 3: in a row and they've had a lot of injuries,

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Speaker 3: but they don't guard.

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Speaker 4: We know that's gonna be Denver Wolves would be a

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Speaker 4: great series, but we know either team can beat the

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Speaker 4: other time. So from that standpoint, I think it's going

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Speaker 4: to be matchup dependent. Now if they fall to seven

468
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Speaker 4: or something and they got to play Spurs. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: it seems like they're pretty much out there. They can't

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Speaker 4: they can't go down to past six. You're right, so

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Speaker 4: I'm cautiously. I do not optimistic, but not pestimism.

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Speaker 3: The sneaky best story in this league right now, I

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Speaker 3: think involves an ex Timberwolf, the Karl Anthony town saga.

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Speaker 3: As his playing out right now is astonishing to me.

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Speaker 3: He has become this lightning rod figure well beyond what

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Speaker 3: he was here, and it's fascinating to me because everybody,

477
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Speaker 3: every ex player, wants to sit down with him and

478
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Speaker 3: give him advice and here, no, you gotta do this.

479
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 3: You gotta be more assertive. You got to raise your

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Speaker 3: hand and demand the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know what I say.

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Speaker 3: You got to get the ball out of the point

483
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Speaker 3: guard's hands because he does not like it out of

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Speaker 3: his hands. So it's fascinating to see a guy who

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Speaker 3: got his share of criticism here, as you well know,

486
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Speaker 3: but there it's not always criticism, but it's like it's

487
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Speaker 3: either he's the solution or he's the problem. And everybody

488
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Speaker 3: has some opinion on I guess in part because he's

489
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Speaker 3: in New York with the Knicks. About the Karl Anthony

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Speaker 3: Towns you know, mystery and how to unravel it.

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Speaker 4: It is interesting too, like some of his numbers have

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Speaker 4: scaled back a little bit, like he's not shooting as

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Speaker 4: many threes. But also that offense, like you said, is

494
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Speaker 4: so brunts and driven. Yes, that it's hard, and they

495
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Speaker 4: don't even necessarily just run straight up pick and roll,

496
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Speaker 4: pick and pop with him, like it's just isolation Brunson.

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Speaker 4: And so then Kat's trying to play a little bit

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Speaker 4: more inside, and then there's the defensive component.

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Speaker 1: It has been very.

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Speaker 4: Interesting to watch the same kind of storyline that Town's

501
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Speaker 4: experienced here.

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Speaker 1: Where you might be able to get him back in

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Speaker 1: the option.

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Speaker 4: But it's been like speed Run in New York, where

505
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Speaker 4: they loved him immediately and then you start to see

506
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Speaker 4: some of the warts in his game and then it's like, oh, well, we.

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Speaker 1: Don't like this.

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Speaker 4: They've it's played out in like two years the way

509
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Speaker 4: it played out in like seven years and minutes exactly

510
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Speaker 4: where you're there's a lot of people where I think

511
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Speaker 4: myself on this show even almost like defending him, not

512
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Speaker 4: even thinking I was like that the bad, but almost

513
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Speaker 4: just because it's gotten so upset. And then there were

514
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Speaker 4: other people that were like, why is this guy viewed

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Speaker 4: as a superstar.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: The Knicks are such a strange team, especially they made

518
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Speaker 4: the coaching change. Stylistically, they're a little different. But I

519
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Speaker 4: don't I mean, the East is winnable, but I mean

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Speaker 4: what the Celtics have done in the East is absolutely remarkable.

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Speaker 4: And now Pistons are pretty strong too, See I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think probably the Knicks he's going to

523
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Speaker 4: make another conference final, and not potentially that's sort of

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Speaker 4: where I think they're limited.

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Speaker 1: But maybe the Wolves are probably limited at that too.

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Speaker 3: I guess he is ranked in touches per game, Yeah,

527
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Speaker 3: one hundred and eleventh in the league, which is and

528
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Speaker 3: and again we all know Kat sometimes can be too passive.

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Speaker 3: I I don't even I don't even let him off

530
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Speaker 3: the hook totally. But I'm telling you I've watched that

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Speaker 3: team over and over again, and I.

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Speaker 1: It's the old deal.

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Speaker 3: If you have him, if you're bothered by what he

534
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Speaker 3: can't do, then you shouldn't kept him. You should already

535
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Speaker 3: have traded him. But if you got him, you have

536
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Speaker 3: to figure out a better.

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Speaker 1: Way to use him.

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Speaker 3: And and he's I don't think it's I guess you

539
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Speaker 3: could say it's coaching to the extent that the coach

540
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Speaker 3: has to set the tone. But I think Brunson's Brunson,

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Speaker 3: and he's a tremendous, tough, clutch player. Yes, but I

542
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Speaker 3: do think it's a lat have been better better off

543
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Speaker 3: if they would run a little more of an open

544
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Speaker 3: offense where he makes it his objective to get Towns

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Speaker 3: the ball more.

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Speaker 4: I feel like he's Brunson is a little bit like

547
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Speaker 4: Luca in the sense that you can just have him

548
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Speaker 4: be the whole show that.

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Speaker 1: Even most Knights, he'll pull it off.

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Speaker 4: But then what you find is guys just stand in

551
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Speaker 4: the corner possession halfter that exactly, And if you allow

552
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Speaker 4: Karl Anthony Towns to do that, to sort of just

553
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 4: space his way out of every play, he will do it.

554
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Speaker 4: And also if he's not firing away from three, which

555
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Speaker 4: he's gone kind of back and forth on that over

556
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: the years, then his efficacy just goes right down. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I know they're a weird team. I mean, Bruns is amazing,

558
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 4: Luca is amazing. But also I wonder, come playoff time,

559
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Speaker 4: can you be that like centric one player at the

560
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Speaker 4: expense of other great players where they're just sort of bystanders.

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Speaker 1: You can win series. The question is can you win

562
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Speaker 1: the whole thing?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the extended time man, especially on short note,

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Speaker 3: it's good to see you home open or Friday. We

565
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Speaker 3: think maybe, depending on you know, iffy weather situations.

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Speaker 1: Should dress warmly given there's.

567
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Speaker 3: No off day in between like there usually is as

568
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Speaker 3: a buffer. Are we talking double header Saturday or Sunday.

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Speaker 4: That day before the seasons even started?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they got to play them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's no they could find some common

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Speaker 4: off day I guess in the season.

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Speaker 1: But that's a bad bad foot to get off on.

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Speaker 1: What I'm sure you'd look forward to a twin bill

575
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Speaker 1: right away. Gosh, there's so much at stake. What you

576
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: know what? How about tripleheader Sunday? There you go, do it?

577
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Speaker 1: You play the whole season like that?

578
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Speaker 3: Thanks man, Appreciate you. Aaron Gleaming great stuff is always

579
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Speaker 3: from him. Let's get caught up. Don't forget Keshler joining

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Speaker 3: in about one out.

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Speaker 2: Hey, why don't you join Muss and Miller light at

582
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Speaker 2: Jimmy's and Vatana's Heights this Thursday five to seven. You

583
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584
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585
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586
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Speaker 3: Such funky bumper music these days, isn't it just moves?

588
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: It's it's the best.

589
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: Lots of texts coming in on a number of controversial subjects.

590
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Speaker 3: And he guesses on what the President is going to

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Speaker 3: announce tonight in his addressed to the nation. That's from

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Speaker 3: sixty one to two. Guy. That is a good question

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Speaker 3: for our five thirty guest, Pat Kessler. Is it eight

594
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Speaker 3: o'clock tonight or nine? I thought it was nine o'clock,

595
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Speaker 3: but that might have been an Eastern. The President is

596
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Speaker 3: addressing the nation regarding the war with Iran. Thank you

597
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Speaker 3: for the gleaming segments. Dan, much appreciate, always insightful. That's

598
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Speaker 3: Jeff and Lindstrom an hour of twins talk.

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Speaker 1: Oof. That's from sixty five to one guy.

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Speaker 3: I would say to the second sixty five to one guy,

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Speaker 3: it really wasn't. First of all, was an hour and

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Speaker 3: a half, and secondly or close hour and fifteen And secondly,

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Speaker 3: it really wasn't an hour and fifteen minutes of twins talk.

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Speaker 1: That to me was the beauty of it.

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00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: There was plenty of esoteric baseball conversation before we even

606
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Speaker 3: address the Twins, and the bumpet above for philosophy is

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Speaker 3: that it's unlikely we're going to talk that much Twins

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Speaker 3: again for the next six weeks. So what you do is,

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Speaker 3: when you have a valuable guest in and available, you

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Speaker 3: take full advantage of the primer opportunity. And that, for

611
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Speaker 3: me is what this is. It's a primer opportunity whether

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Speaker 3: you think they're going to stink or whether you think

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Speaker 3: they might surprise people. And I don't think there's many

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Speaker 3: people in the latter category. I certainly am not. I

615
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: think they actually might be worse than advertised. But you

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00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: take it when you can, and the conversation ends up

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Speaker 3: going in a lot of interesting places, including ownership in

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Speaker 3: the future, including Byron Buxton. So I would say if

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Speaker 3: you reduced that the series of segments too an Our

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Speaker 3: Twins Talk oof, I'd say I re listen maybe, or

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Speaker 3: I'd reconsider, because it's not the lesson I learned in

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Speaker 3: radio a.

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Speaker 1: Long time ago.

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Speaker 3: It's really not all that much what you're talking about,

625
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: but who you're talking about it with. And Gleaman for us,

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Speaker 3: our purposes, has very quickly, over a period of time,

627
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Speaker 3: developed as one of our finer in studio guests on

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Speaker 3: any number of subjects as as well. Let me get

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Speaker 3: to a couple of other text reactions. UH six one

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Speaker 3: two guy writes Radio Gold no snarkiness or insincerity here.

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Speaker 1: Olsenbiel Guy writes, Gleaman is elite. That is all.

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Speaker 3: I'll eat my shirt. Buxton is the ideal player for

633
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Speaker 3: this Twins organization. He's injury prone, but his elite talent

634
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Speaker 3: puts spots in the seats.

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Speaker 1: No chance they try to trade him. That's from Rube.

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Speaker 3: Paul Well, to the extent that they're going to have

637
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Speaker 3: any seats of fans in the seats at all. You're right,

638
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: he's one of the few that you'd say, hey, Buxton's

639
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Speaker 3: starting tonight. You know, is in center field, might hit

640
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Speaker 3: a triple, might make a circus catch over the wall.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure any player matters at this point if

642
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: the team is as crappy as it is advertised. But

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Speaker 3: my position on Buxton is really the same as it

644
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Speaker 3: was on Joe Ryan that once I realized we were

645
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Speaker 3: going to cut another thirty mil from payroll, I just

646
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Speaker 3: it was almost the opinion of who kidding?

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Speaker 1: Trade everybody?

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Speaker 3: Trade Ryan, trade Buxton, because what you're doing in this

649
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: this tweener approach isn't You're still going to be at

650
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: best mediocre. And I know to suggest they trade everybody

651
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: is almost to enable the twins to say, oh, really, okay.

652
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: We'll save even more money.

653
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: I understand the enabling part is frustrating to people, but

654
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't. I just I'm done kidding around with this

655
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: organization or thinking that anything is going to change. So

656
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: to a certain extent, it's my way of saying, just

657
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: fess up one hundred percent, because you're not fooling anybody

658
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: with the approach you're taking. So just get rid of everybody,

659
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: turn it into your minor league team if you want to,

660
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: and then maybe Saint Paul becomes a Double A affiliate.

661
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no.

662
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: Idea, because at that point this would become a Triple

663
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: A affiliate as well. Let's get to a couple more.

664
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: Too bad, we can't use that manager logic on owners.

665
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: Fire the Paula's get an owner, They'll spend money.

666
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be nice?

667
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: Well that's the underlying plea, which we get, but I

668
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: don't know that we're going anywhere with it right now.

669
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: Royce Lewis, soft issue, tissue is injuries. Also, maybe you

670
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: should spend some time stretching and doing yoga to prevent

671
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: injury instead of just powerlifting and getting tighter and tighter muscles.

672
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: I hope the poul Wud seller consider selling after this year.

673
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: Fan base hates them as owners and the morale at

674
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: an all time low. Yeah, we know all of that

675
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: is undeniable. I mean, that's at this point kind of

676
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: stating the obvious. That's sort of where we are at

677
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: this point. Pursue it to your discussion on the screwball.

678
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: You might check out Carl Hubble, a Hall of Famer

679
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: and truly dominant pitcher mostly in the thirties. Yes, Karl

680
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: Hubble was a terrific lefty, and my recollection is, didn't

681
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: he make All.

682
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Star Game history history to the.

683
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: Extent that you know, over a century later people still

684
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: talk about I thought he struck out like one of

685
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: the great Murderer's row of hitters in history, including Babe

686
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: in an All Star Game, Babe Ruth lou Gerigg. I

687
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: think there were like five or six all time great

688
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: hitters in a row that he struck out in an

689
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: All Star Game. Part of that old fashioned Major League

690
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: Baseball lore, back when people were paying attention to those

691
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: kinds of things. Cy Young Winner Mike Marshall was a screwballer,

692
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: spent time with the Twins. That's a good callback as well.

693
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: Fernando's Valezuela was known for throwing. You know, they called it.

694
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: The shortened version of it was the scroogie. Screwball was

695
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: the scroogie in the vernacular.

696
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Of the day.

697
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: Last, but not least, because we've got to get caught

698
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: up here with one more quick.

699
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Pause, and I think your guest nailed it.

700
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: I was against this new system balls and strikes because

701
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: I missed the old Earl Weaver and Billy Martin day

702
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: is going face to face with the ump I thought

703
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: we were going to lose that. But he makes a

704
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: great point in the batter having to make his first

705
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: move a challenge request.

706
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: I did not know that was the case. Is that

707
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: being the rule?

708
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: I think we're really we're going to have possibly more

709
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: arguments between the manager and the umpire. Well we already

710
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: did you know Twins manager already booted because he didn't

711
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: think the tap on the head or the batting helmet

712
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: or whatever was quick enough.

713
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: Right. That was the whole issue, and that's going to happen.

714
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: That has happened in other sports as well, in terms

715
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: of how quickly the summons is made to call for

716
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: a challenge as well. Kessler at about five point thirty today,

717
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: I mentioned we'll probably get to the President's speech schedule

718
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: for later tonight in primetime. There's a lot of other

719
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: juicy stories to discuss with special k I've got a

720
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 3: couple of other things on the combo platter as well.

721
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: Even before Kessler's in, we got top five at five

722
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: yet to come as well. Going a little bit long

723
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: with mister Gleaman, let's catch up with a very brief

724
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: pause and back with more controversy when we return it.

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Speaker 3: One of our unofficial bumper of bupper historians rights regarding

730
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: the Carl Hubble All Star Game brilliance as a pitcher,

731
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: he struck out Babe, Ruth, Lou Garrig, Jimmy Fox, and

732
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: Al Simmons.

733
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: So it's four in a row.

734
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 3: I thought it might have been five, but they were

735
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: all like well, obviously Gerrig and Ruth speak for themselves.

736
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: Jimmy Fox is also an all time slugger. Al Simmons

737
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: was an all time hitter as well. That's the first

738
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: thing I think of when I ever think of Carl Hubble.

739
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: The name came up because I was talking about screwball pitchers,

740
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: not as in they like had screwball minds, but the pitch,

741
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 3: their specialty pitch was called the scroogie, the screwball for sure.

742
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: A couple other texts here early.

743
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: Dan, regarding the long Baseball segment, you're experiencing PHS overflow

744
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: poll ad hatred syndrome. There's so much pent up, it's

745
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: overflowing it. You don't take it personally. That's Jim from

746
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: Saint Paul. Yeah, he's right, But part of my issue

747
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: is we didn't really talk twins at all, probably until

748
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: about i'd say, a good thirty minutes into the discussion.

749
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: There's other things to deal with in the world of

750
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: baseball that had absolutely nothing, including the bald and strike situation,

751
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: the way they're being called, the appeals, et cetera. So

752
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: I think you got to kind of get over the

753
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: PhD pole ad hatred syndrome, at least for the minute.

754
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: That form of derangement. I understand where it comes from,

755
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: but it shouldn't preclude the possibility that we're still going

756
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: to have conversations with good guests, especially when we don't

757
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: have them on. It's not like we have the Gleaming

758
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: on every week. We have him on intermittently once the

759
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: season baseball season begins. Six one two, guy, how come

760
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: you're not talking about the Springsteen concert? No conspiracy there.

761
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: It may come up with Kessler, who's going to join

762
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: us at five point thirty. I don't know why he

763
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: would ask that any more than any other concert. Some

764
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: concerts we talk about, some we don't. We did talk

765
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: extensively about Springsteen's appearance here a few weeks ago, in

766
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: a very political vein with John Breen in much detail.

767
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: In fact, we talked to him I think shortly after

768
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: Springsteen performed. So to six one two guys, I'll just

769
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: say I hadn't come up. There's that I didn't go.

770
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot to say about it. He's

771
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: performed here about five hundred times, so yes, I was.

772
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm what I've been told is that by even Springsteen standards,

773
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 3: it was an extremely political approach.

774
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: That's not illegal.

775
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting that he has to pull any punches.

776
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: You do what you do, and uh I don't have

777
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: any problem with that. But there's no I don't have

778
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: anything else all that pithy I think too to say

779
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: uh if if and maybe that's a disappointment too.

780
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: Six one two. I'm not exactly sure what else do

781
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: we have here.

782
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: I there's another subject I want to introduce, but we're

783
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: not enough time right now, so I don't want to

784
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: get too far into that.

785
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Uh Dan. I like the baseball talk. Liman's great.

786
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: I'm not as transfixed with hot transfixed with hockey. But

787
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: love when Louie is on you loved you loved the

788
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: Louie comments about what Johnny Athletic said on the show.

789
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: Didn't you you were like that, you were you were

790
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 3: in your glory listening to Louie basically savage Johnny Athletic.

791
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 2: I think it was a preposters statement, but again it's

792
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: not it's not well basketball's easy.

793
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't take any toll.

794
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: But if you're arguing what's you're not arguing one does

795
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: and one doesn't.

796
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: You're arguing which one is more?

797
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: To me, it's not even a question like obviously the

798
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: NBA takes a toll. But let's you get touched and

799
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: it's a foul, you know if you I mean, you

800
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: got guys getting poked in the eye and it's it's

801
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: over for them. And meanwhile you've got you know, Jack

802
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: Hughes losing a tooth and scoring a game winning goal.

803
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: So give me the hockey as a comparison any day. Well, yeah,

804
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: because you like hockey. Butter of course, as simple as that.

805
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: You know, because somebody said, well, you get stitched up

806
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: in hockey, you get right back out there. In basketball,

807
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: you're odd for six weeks. Well that sounds cool, it

808
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: sounds like a good thing to say. But just the

809
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: other the last time we played Houston, the game.

810
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: Where we were down thirteen in overtime, then when the

811
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: score the last fifteen points to win in who's the

812
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: big man for uh singoon for for Houston?

813
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: I mean his lower lip was hanging. There's like a

814
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: flap of it hanging down. He was bleeding all the

815
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: way across the court.

816
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: I don't think he left the game, So I just

817
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: think it get it's fun to do the repartee and

818
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: the back and forth. I just think they're such different

819
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: endeavors that it's it's not a game I'm all that

820
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: interested in.

821
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't mind starting the fires.

822
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily want to participate in too much of

823
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: the accelerant. However, Lebron is old, Reeves is cold, Lucas

824
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: should fold Wolves, and fine, well, we may end up

825
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: playing the Lakers. Man, it's possible. And all I'll say

826
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: to Wolves fans is, don't get too cocky. I certainly

827
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: think the Wolves can beat the Lakers.

828
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: Again.

829
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: I still believe there's a serious question about how the

830
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: Lakers would guard or will guard.

831
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 1: But I also say this, and I'm not the first

832
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: to say.

833
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: It, They're They're wired and constructed a little different this

834
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: year in terms of both personnel and configuration, And the

835
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: latter is important because what has evolved this season is

836
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: Lebron James at age is he forty one, whatever his

837
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: age is, has come now finally fully to the terms

838
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: with the fact that he's the third option and ever

839
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: since he seemed to come to Jesus. That's in that sense,

840
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: the team's better for it. That's a hard reckoning for

841
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: an all time great player to not be you know, Okay,

842
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: I know it's not me because it's Luca, but it's

843
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: wait a minute. You're saying I'm not the number two guy,

844
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: and the Lakers are saying, yeah, for us, they take

845
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: our best shot is you've got to be the number

846
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: three guy. And I'm going to tell you something, if

847
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: Lebron's your number three guy, deferring that much, that's a

848
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: more dangerous proposition, I think than the Lakers represented last year.

849
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: So I think you just have to put that under

850
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: consideration here before you make it sound like it's going

851
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: to be another, you know, easy road if you're playing

852
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: the Lakers again. The Wolves, you know, the the only

853
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: teams that I think are truly scary in the West

854
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: are the top two and on the Spurs, I still

855
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: like to think, well, they haven't really done anything in

856
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: the postseason, so some things might get a little bit

857
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: challenging for them, But beyond that, the Wolves are in

858
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: that next group. I don't think there's any question about

859
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: that about that part of it, but I don't think

860
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 3: anything also should be taken for granted on the basis

861
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 3: of the fact that they've made the runs the last

862
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: to two years either, that's for sure. Well, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Kesler is going to join at five thirty. We've got

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Speaker 3: the top five at five yet to come. You know,

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Speaker 3: we haven't talked about we're going back to the Moon,

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Speaker 3: and I'm hoping that's on Kessler's list. The Artemis two launch,

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Speaker 3: I believe, is scheduled for later this afternoon or evening now.

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Speaker 3: I saw the headline indicating some kind of concern over

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Speaker 3: a battery of some sort, but that the countdown was continuing,

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Speaker 3: So we'll keep an eye on that story as well

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Speaker 3: and see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Top five, What do we have? Wild Wolves? And more

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Speaker 2: news on Bear Stadium drama.