Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 2: He's got flown back on seven hundred, Well, would just
Speaker 2: jump right back into it. Man over the fence, over
Speaker 2: the wall, as they say. City council members are pretty
Speaker 2: tight lipped about taking sides regarding the city manager's decision
Speaker 2: AKA after Perevol's decision a place chiefs Thiji on leave.
Speaker 2: We heard from Ken Kober immediately following yesterday's press conference
Speaker 2: with Steve im at the Finny Law fram who is
Speaker 2: representing Chief Thiji in this whole situation. He came on
Speaker 2: my show live on seven hundred Wow, and his immediate
Speaker 2: reaction to this thing was like, listen, there's many in
Speaker 2: the rank and file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but
Speaker 2: guess what we all are now because what happened to her,
Speaker 2: that she's being railroaded out of her job and being
Speaker 2: called this this is nothing but politics, and she's a
Speaker 2: political scapegoat, and finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary
Speaker 2: of or hire as a new cop and now the
Speaker 2: chief of Cincinnati, the first woman to do that long
Speaker 2: history of service for her family, as an insult to
Speaker 2: the badge and salt to the whole process and what's
Speaker 2: interesting about this after the followed very very few. And that's,
Speaker 2: by the way, I may say, not serving all of them,
Speaker 2: but the only one to voice an opinion on counsel
Speaker 2: and this whole thing joins me now and that is
Speaker 2: Seth Wall Seth, good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm
Speaker 2: also probably doing better than you right now. I can't
Speaker 2: imagine what you woke up this morning and went in
Speaker 2: the seconds where the cobwebs are there, they go away.
Speaker 2: The first thing you probably thought of is is this
Speaker 2: dumpster fire?
Speaker 3: It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and
Speaker 3: hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott,
Speaker 3: and not the best week that we've had in Entity council.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is Terry Thiji the problem?
Speaker 3: You know, I think the problem with that question, Scott
Speaker 3: is how do we know that they're not telling you anything,
Speaker 3: They're not telling me anything. None of us know why
Speaker 3: this decision is being made. So Iss, she's the problem.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us.
Speaker 2: But in people, so wow, this is you know, it's
Speaker 2: share a long because the way it works is the chiefs,
Speaker 2: the chiefs administrators, they all report to city manager share along.
Speaker 2: So this is Cheryl's but again she's just the executioner, right,
Speaker 2: This is the mayor. This is af tad pirrival. This
Speaker 2: isn't Sheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing
Speaker 2: what she I don't know what she is commanded to do,
Speaker 2: I suppose, or I don't know. Is Cherylong run the
Speaker 2: whole thing? Either way, it's a horrible look for the mayor,
Speaker 2: especially with an election coming up in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a bad look for the city
Speaker 3: as a whole. You know, from everything that I've been told,
Speaker 3: which is pretty much what you see in the media.
Speaker 3: I mean, this seems to be a decision made by
Speaker 3: Cheryl Long, and I think that leads to a lot
Speaker 3: of questions about the fact that the police chief, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, is a very important decision,
Speaker 3: especially when we are trying to get crime under control
Speaker 3: in our downtown or over the Rhine and in these
Speaker 3: neighborhoods were seeing spice and crime in It is a
Speaker 3: very very important decision to change the police chief, no
Speaker 3: matter when you're changing the police chief, but to change
Speaker 3: it in such a chaotic tactic fashion with no clear plan,
Speaker 3: no clear evidence about why the decision is being made.
Speaker 3: That is a massive problem, and it is I think
Speaker 3: it's I think Ken was spot on. I imagine this
Speaker 3: is terrible from hero out for the police Department, because
Speaker 3: you know, even if it's not a situation of a scapegoat,
Speaker 3: it sure feels that way. And it's a situation that
Speaker 3: we need to be providing stability right now. We need
Speaker 3: to be showing leadership and we need to put in
Speaker 3: our plan for because the most important thing is public safety,
Speaker 3: not personality conflict.
Speaker 2: Since Walshaw, immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam,
Speaker 2: who did a great job, by the way, I spoke
Speaker 2: to Ken Cobra, President the FFP live on the show,
Speaker 2: and that was one of the questions I had to him.
Speaker 2: It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars with Kramerting, Jefferies, yourself and others voting
Speaker 2: to fund the police department. We got to get more
Speaker 2: bodies and we got to recruit. We're down one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty one hundred and fifty officers. Can't have that.
Speaker 2: We've got have lateral recruiting class We're going to pull
Speaker 2: officers from other jurisdictions and make an appeal to them
Speaker 2: with money and the job at hand, to come to
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and work here and work for a district and
Speaker 2: make a difference in crime, make some money yourself and
Speaker 2: all that. That's all well and good. Four and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars does in this whole move undermine that,
Speaker 2: because if I'm a officer, if I'm a beat cup,
Speaker 2: and let's say I don't know I work in a jurisdiction,
Speaker 2: I'm maybe considering making the move over to Cincinnati go
Speaker 2: a whole On second, look, they look how dirty they
Speaker 2: just did the chief, and that's a chief. I'm nobody.
Speaker 2: What chance do I have? So did we just shoot
Speaker 2: ourselves in the foot? We opened the coffers up to
Speaker 2: four and a half mil. But at the same time
Speaker 2: send the message out that we don't know what we're
Speaker 2: doing over here, and we'll make you escapegoat politically if
Speaker 2: we have to.
Speaker 3: Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of
Speaker 3: there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes,
Speaker 3: when we're talking about our law enforcement members, not only
Speaker 3: the morale of existing police rale of those we're trying
Speaker 3: to hire, but is that plan even heading forward the
Speaker 3: five and a half five point four million dollars we
Speaker 3: just allocated, Like, what is the plan for that now?
Speaker 3: Because it was moving forward under the last police chief
Speaker 3: who's currently on administrative lease. It's not That's what That's
Speaker 3: my frustration where I'm most upset right now is we
Speaker 3: are trying to get crime under control in the city
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati. It is not clear the stability in the
Speaker 3: past for that because nothing's been laid out to us
Speaker 3: other than this hectic process that we've all watched play
Speaker 3: out of the media. We've named an interim police chief
Speaker 3: who by all accounts is an amazing individual and going
Speaker 3: to be a great leader for the department. But it's
Speaker 3: not clear what the transition is and what's carrying on
Speaker 3: and what the problem even was in the first place.
Speaker 3: But let's just change. So how can you and I
Speaker 3: even confidently say we know what's happening next? You know,
Speaker 3: is all the plans we've done for the last two
Speaker 3: months drown out the window and we're starting fresh or
Speaker 3: are we continuing it? And if we're continuing it, how
Speaker 3: are we going to provide the confidence people that that's
Speaker 3: what's happening. I don't know, and that is not an
Speaker 3: acceptable answer for somebody who's city on Tony calnpamil give you,
Speaker 3: And it's not an accept able answer for the city
Speaker 3: manager to give us that as the solution right now
Speaker 3: is that we don't have enough information to even answer
Speaker 3: that question. So yeah, I'm very worried about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I understand, I don't know any but
Speaker 2: I understand from the rank and file many they respect him.
Speaker 2: They love the guy. I mean, he's the guy that
Speaker 2: wrote that citation a month later or charged anyway, the
Speaker 2: white guy in the brawl, because that was at the
Speaker 2: behest of the rabid reverence out there who demanded a
Speaker 2: flash demanded of Whitey be charged because he got black
Speaker 2: guys who were an assault and no officer on the
Speaker 2: scene would write it because they didn't think a crime
Speaker 2: was committed. But he took essentially the political bullet and said, okay, final,
Speaker 2: I'll be the one that puts my name to this,
Speaker 2: this thing that got that ball rolling. And that was
Speaker 2: all the behest of the mayor's office. So that's greasy
Speaker 2: and dirty as well, because that is a potential civil
Speaker 2: rights violation, which you know, again, when you're fighting to
Speaker 2: keep your nose above water like Afta puribals and keep
Speaker 2: his political career going, that seems like a pretty big
Speaker 2: misstep to me. You open yourself up for a civil
Speaker 2: rights case. But I don't know, does they only care
Speaker 2: about this election coming up and damn the torpedoes. We'll
Speaker 2: see what happens after that.
Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard,
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which
Speaker 3: I know is you know, we think the way the
Speaker 3: city government works, that this would be the marrior's decision.
Speaker 3: This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And
Speaker 3: everything that I've heard behind the scenes, which again it's
Speaker 3: not much more than what you've heard, does not sound
Speaker 3: like the mayor's the one who made the decision on this.
Speaker 3: It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of
Speaker 3: conversations transpiring behind the scenes which led to comments last week,
Speaker 3: But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that
Speaker 3: a have to have was the one who made the decision.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, well, there was a political component to this, There's
Speaker 2: no question about it. This wasn't a criminal charge. This
Speaker 2: was a political charge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that that's one of the
Speaker 3: big questions. Why does this decision made? Right now? What
Speaker 3: was the urgency that required this decision to be made
Speaker 3: so quickly that the police chief had a flyback from Colorada?
Speaker 3: And I've asked that question. I don't have a satisfactory
Speaker 3: answer to it, right, And it seems like there was again,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's chaos, and it seems like chaos reigned
Speaker 3: for thirty six hours at city Hall and bad decisions
Speaker 3: were made and that's not okay and that's not acceptable,
Speaker 3: and that's the big problem here. Some people need to
Speaker 3: come out and say what actually happened and led to
Speaker 3: this and why this decision was made. You know, this
Speaker 3: is a really big decision, and the absence of information
Speaker 3: leads to rampant speculation that is not good for anybody.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why people are so gun try
Speaker 3: to come out and just say what happened and what
Speaker 3: led to this decision. It's not like we don't know
Speaker 3: what's happening. You know. Last Wednesday, I think they put
Speaker 3: out like three press releases saying that she was still employed,
Speaker 3: which is you know, you know that Scott, You're in
Speaker 3: the media is like, that's the kiss of death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you.
Speaker 2: We're good at reducing force around here, so we know this,
Speaker 2: but I don't heard when somebody get called back from
Speaker 2: a conference in Denver and going, hey, you got to
Speaker 2: get back here right away because you've got a we've
Speaker 2: got a violence emergency. Well, you know, the emergency would
Speaker 2: have happened immediately. What happened to Mountain Square, this was,
Speaker 2: this was after that. There's nothing newsworthy going on, and
Speaker 2: just out of the blue, she's in Denver and now
Speaker 2: we got to pull the plug on or doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. And I brought up A. Henny's name earlier,
Speaker 2: and he seems like a great guy, be a great chief.
Speaker 2: But I guess the question is, wasn't that Terry the
Speaker 2: We don't know why Terry Thigi got fired in the
Speaker 2: first place. There's no reason around this. And technically she's
Speaker 2: not fired, she's still on administrative leave. So there's that
Speaker 2: level of confusion. What are you getting with Henny that
Speaker 2: you didn't have with Thiji. Nobody knows.
Speaker 3: Right, And you know, again, a hard number one priority
Speaker 3: has to be public safety. So you know, I I
Speaker 3: think Henny is going to do a great job. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, things I've
Speaker 3: heard from police officers are are we being held accountable
Speaker 3: for the fact that crime is happening? And I can't
Speaker 3: imagine what the morale is and I have it.
Speaker 2: It's a very.
Speaker 3: Difficult question for me to answer it now because I
Speaker 3: don't know what we're holding her accountable for. There may
Speaker 3: ver will be a good reason, Scott that you and
Speaker 3: I would agree with and say, yeah, that's the right decision,
Speaker 3: and you know, it had to happen urgently, but we
Speaker 3: absent of information, we don't know that, and so the
Speaker 3: perception is chaos. And uh, you know, we're reacting to crime,
Speaker 3: but we're reacting now to it as opposed to over
Speaker 3: the summer, where you and I've had multiple conversations about it,
Speaker 3: and this is just it doesn't make sense. And I
Speaker 3: think the clarity is so badly needed because it is
Speaker 3: going to have a negative impact on our police, it's
Speaker 3: going to have a negative impact on our citizen morale,
Speaker 3: it's going to have a negative impact on what we
Speaker 3: are trying to do as a city. And right now,
Speaker 3: I don't think that we need that forget the election,
Speaker 3: think about Cincinnati and what we are trying to achieve.
Speaker 3: You and I talk about economic development all the time.
Speaker 3: You know, right now is when we need the inspiring
Speaker 3: confidence that we've got this under control, because we want
Speaker 3: people coming downtown, we want people coming to over the run.
Speaker 3: This is not a good time to indicate in any
Speaker 3: way that we you know, we're not We don't have
Speaker 3: a plan for how we're handling public safety. And again
Speaker 3: there may very well be a plan. They come out
Speaker 3: and tell it to us, show us what the plan is.
Speaker 2: I don't have a censor as a plan, Council Member
Speaker 2: sas Walsh, I really really don't.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Here's the issue, though, you're out now campaigning as all
Speaker 2: members of council are, when election coming up in just
Speaker 2: a few short days, you're almost down to the wire
Speaker 2: right now. When you talk to your constituents, When you
Speaker 2: talk to the good people of Cincinnati, not only the citizens,
Speaker 2: but also the people who operate and own businesses in
Speaker 2: in downtown, just to maybe travelers too as well, who
Speaker 2: the hell knows you make contact with. What is the
Speaker 2: consensus among the constituents in this.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hearing. I imagine this is what you're
Speaker 3: hearing and what people are feeling who are listening to this.
Speaker 3: You know, Opinions about the police chief varied, but opinions
Speaker 3: about how this has been handled are pretty unified, which
Speaker 3: is that she didn't deserve to be treated this way
Speaker 3: so publicly. It's not clear why it happened, and so
Speaker 3: the opinions on the entire process is that it is
Speaker 3: it's been atrocious and that nobody deserves to go through this,
Speaker 3: least of all for not a clear reason about why.
Speaker 3: And people are pretty offended by it, and I think
Speaker 3: rightfully so, and I think again, absence of information, it
Speaker 3: looks bad. It looks really bad.
Speaker 2: Oh, the FOP should have voted no confidence on the
Speaker 2: mayor's conduct here in an indirect way that with Thigi
Speaker 2: and now they're standing behind Fiji going listen. There are
Speaker 2: numbers who had issues with Terry and how she ran
Speaker 2: the shop, as you will with any boss for that matter.
Speaker 2: But at the same time everyone is coalesced. I guess
Speaker 2: on the thin blue line to say this is outrageous
Speaker 2: and there's no plan going. The way I look at
Speaker 2: it politically, Seth is what's the strategy here. I mean
Speaker 2: you have turmoil with an interim chief, which implies you
Speaker 2: have no control over crime and that it's all Terry
Speaker 2: Thigi's fault. You mean, Kenny the chief. It's a fresh start.
Speaker 2: Then you get to the election. Were the repercussions here?
Speaker 2: Because I'll be honest with you, even with this nonsense
Speaker 2: and this mess that's going on right now in this
Speaker 2: S show and the way this has been handled, I
Speaker 2: don't know how Aftab loses the election. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I mean he can, I suppose, but I don't see
Speaker 2: this huge ground swell for Corey Bowman, who's a political
Speaker 2: no name upcomer, and Jad Vans's brother dad has baggage.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I saw a great faith and of
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati and I do think that his election results
Speaker 3: will be very positive for him. But I think it's
Speaker 3: important to remind you, know, your listeners, that Cincinnati is
Speaker 3: three branches of government. You know, it's the mayor, it's
Speaker 3: the city council and this administration, and all three are
Speaker 3: are theoretically equal. So you know, the mayor, I think
Speaker 3: you're right, he's going to get re elected city Council.
Speaker 3: Obviously that the vote there is important for people to
Speaker 3: show up and make their voices heard, but also equally
Speaker 3: so you know, even if you know all eight incumbents
Speaker 3: are re elected and you know we get the ninth member,
Speaker 3: Bryan James elected on the Democratic slate there, people may
Speaker 3: feel frustrated, but the administration is still equal on here
Speaker 3: that you know, you should be expecting us to be
Speaker 3: asking these hard questions of You should be asking us
Speaker 3: and expecting us to be challenging them to come up
Speaker 3: with the answers and tell us what is going on
Speaker 3: in a public setting, not behind closed doors, not in
Speaker 3: a way that you know it's not clear, because this
Speaker 3: is too big and too important of an issue not
Speaker 3: to have clear answers off for the public. And I
Speaker 3: think that's really important people understand. You know, the mayor
Speaker 3: and city council are your voices near representatives the way
Speaker 3: our government is set up, as the administration's in charge,
Speaker 3: and if we are not getting clear answers, we need
Speaker 3: to be pushing them to get the clear answers. And
Speaker 3: we can't just rest on our laurels and say like,
Speaker 3: well that's their decision. We need answers we need to.
Speaker 2: Hold them agut and we do.
Speaker 3: This is one way to do it. Let's make it
Speaker 3: clear where we're frustrated.
Speaker 2: All right, voters most likely will choose AFTAB over Corey Bowman.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, does this have an effect
Speaker 2: down ticket? Should you be concerned as well? Should the
Speaker 2: odd members of council because so many people that are
Speaker 2: running because of the way this was mishandled. We've got
Speaker 2: so many hats in the ring right now. Anything can happen.
Speaker 2: You say you support AFT to add pureval, but what
Speaker 2: if you cost you your seat?
Speaker 3: Like anybody running for any office should be scared when
Speaker 3: they have to go out there. They have to earn
Speaker 3: votes every single day. It's one of the reasons that
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be vocal about this. I think the
Speaker 3: people's for people need to feel their frustration is being
Speaker 3: vocalized at an elucts of leadership capacity. I think anybody
Speaker 3: running right now should be worried and should be willing
Speaker 3: to take a stance on this issue, and they have
Speaker 3: their opinions known on this issue because this is an
Speaker 3: important issue that determines kind of how the next administration
Speaker 3: operates in terms of you know, whoever gets elected this cycle.
Speaker 3: And if you're not willing to speak out, if you're
Speaker 3: not willing to challenge and the hold people accountable. You know,
Speaker 3: that's the role of a city council member is to
Speaker 3: hold the administration accountable, to ask the hard questions. It's
Speaker 3: how you and I to become I would say we're
Speaker 3: friends now, Scott, but you know, we started having these
Speaker 3: conversations about a bridge fire where they thought that three
Speaker 3: years was acceptable to take to get it fixed, and
Speaker 3: I've said, no way, and we got done one hundred days.
Speaker 3: That's why we start talking about snowclouds, because we didn't
Speaker 3: plow six hundred streets and we had to hold people
Speaker 3: accountable and ultimately the DPS director retired because of that,
Speaker 3: and we got somebody in there that is going to
Speaker 3: get our streets cloud this year. And that is the
Speaker 3: job of the city council member. And if you're not
Speaker 3: willing to speak out the whole the administration accountable, I
Speaker 3: don't know why you should be elected to it. And
Speaker 3: I think that you guys should be holding people accountable
Speaker 3: and challenging us to speak out and say these things.
Speaker 3: We can all be the same party. We can all
Speaker 3: be friends, but our job is accountability.
Speaker 2: I can't say all Seth Walsh. I can't say all
Speaker 2: members of council beside yourself, but most members of council
Speaker 2: and maybe y'all. No one wants to come out publicly
Speaker 2: and chastise the mayor and call them out as you
Speaker 2: just did on the show. Why is that? Why do
Speaker 2: you think that is that you're the only one willing
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you
Speaker 3: to figure that one out for me. I don't have
Speaker 3: enough money to go to therapy to get that answer.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's not I don't understand. It seems
Speaker 2: to me maybe we're just trying to protect the brand.
Speaker 2: Like if I'm a Democrat, I'm not allowed to criticize
Speaker 2: another Democrat. You just did that, and I think you're
Speaker 2: going to be fine. It's okay. We need to get
Speaker 2: back to it. Whether it's same with the Republicans. Republicans, Hey,
Speaker 2: you can't criticize Trump. Yeah you can. You're supposed to.
Speaker 2: That's how the system works up. I mean, I got
Speaker 2: I get in fights when I was younger, all the
Speaker 2: time with my two brothers. I still love them. I
Speaker 2: take a bullet for either one or both of them.
Speaker 2: But you're allowed to disagree with people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead by sample,
Speaker 3: and I hope you know it is scary sometimes to
Speaker 3: step on the ledge and take the phone call with you,
Speaker 3: Scott and say, I don't know his opening question is
Speaker 3: going to be today, but we'll find out.
Speaker 2: Oh that's two of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I hope others get the confidence and the
Speaker 3: courage to be speak out too, because I think on
Speaker 3: issues like this it's too important to stay silent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, I know you got to get going, Seth.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hopefully you can brave through this. Council member,
Speaker 2: Seth Wals should appreciate your vote. I'm sure very thoughtful
Speaker 2: as always, and we'll see where this goes. But I
Speaker 2: even think the people who know I don't know where
Speaker 2: it's going at this point, and that's a scary part.
Speaker 2: All the best, my friend, do will.
Speaker 3: Thanks Scott, take care.
Speaker 2: You know, we just had the No King's protest down people.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is as it's chaos. He's making rass decisions,
Speaker 2: no accountability, no context. And if you're a Democrat and
Speaker 2: you're down there, I imagine many Republicans are the no
Speaker 2: Kings rally. But if you're down there, a't so your
Speaker 2: point and this is your belief, I'd have to ask you,
Speaker 2: isn't this exactly what you were protesting this weekend? Chaos?
Speaker 2: No accountability, investigations by law enforcement that are politically compromised,
Speaker 2: unelected appointees like Iris Rawley having too much power, cronyism.
Speaker 2: We protesting Trump when you should have also been protesting
Speaker 2: aftab puer Vault. Scott's Loan Show seven hundred ww Solony
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW just had that council member Seth Walsh
Speaker 2: on the show live and he brought the noise this morning.
Speaker 2: That's a little who That was like a third cup
Speaker 2: of coffee, Wasn't it? Like the only member of council
Speaker 2: not afraid to go at AFT tab pure Vaul at
Speaker 2: this point everyone else is kind of laying lows in
Speaker 2: which way the wind blows, which I get. You know,
Speaker 2: election season, you don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 2: the voters because they're a piste off, and who could
Speaker 2: blame them based on what's happening right now, largely because
Speaker 2: of the mayor. And I think there's maybe some conservatives,
Speaker 2: probably a good number of people or cursing me out
Speaker 2: or maybe not listening anymore because I'm not drinking the
Speaker 2: entire right kool aid. And that's fine. But I look
Speaker 2: at that and go, well, you know, I just don't.
Speaker 2: Corey Bowman seems like a good guy. You know, he's
Speaker 2: a pastor, he's the brother of the Vice president. If
Speaker 2: you're a conservative, you probably vote for him. But the
Speaker 2: problem is you're not in Hamlin County. It's deep, deep blue,
Speaker 2: and how much does that carry in deep blue Cincinnati. No,
Speaker 2: I think after that peerful knows that, and which is
Speaker 2: even the worst part, because you feel like, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't have to I don't have to
Speaker 2: play this out. I can do whatever I want, which
Speaker 2: is part of a bigger problem. And I kind of
Speaker 2: brought it up at the end of talking to Seth
Speaker 2: Walsh there and I was thinking about it, turning the
Speaker 2: break and go. This past weekend we had the No
Speaker 2: Kings rallies right that the nationwide protests against President Trump.
Speaker 2: Not one person who voted for Trump would be a
Speaker 2: No Kings rally. Right, So the protesters, what were their grievances, Well,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of individual grievances out there, and
Speaker 2: anytime you have one of these tantrums, and that's what
Speaker 2: it was, a tantrum. It's a bunch of people with
Speaker 2: hold a wide difference of what it is there to
Speaker 2: bitch about. But the commonality is the president of the
Speaker 2: United States and the protesters were concerned about what many
Speaker 2: things the direction of the country that were descending into fascism.
Speaker 2: That there's just nothing but chaos with this president. I'd
Speaker 2: agree with that, there's a lot of chaos going on.
Speaker 2: That this is a guy that makes rash decisions. There's
Speaker 2: no accountability, there's no context. Okay, you protested Trump et cetera.
Speaker 2: Point this weekend for the No Kings rally. How is
Speaker 2: this different than what's happening at city Hall? Because one guy,
Speaker 2: and you could say, sure, a long now aftad pure
Speaker 2: of all is holding the city hostage in a sense
Speaker 2: with the stupid ways handled crime. There's platitudes and there's measures,
Speaker 2: there are too little, too late. Trump doesn't answer to anyone.
Speaker 2: And if you love Trump, you love that about him.
Speaker 2: But if you don't, you hate that. It's like he
Speaker 2: won't listen to He only listens himself. Okay, so who's
Speaker 2: aftablist answering to counsel? No. We just had Seth Walshawn
Speaker 2: and he said, no one knows what's going on. We
Speaker 2: know that Trump isn't afraid of the camera or the
Speaker 2: reporter of the question. He goes to them. Hell, he
Speaker 2: puts all the stuff out. I'm social. When Patrick Carringer
Speaker 2: was killed in his own home two days later, he
Speaker 2: didn't post about that. He posted about a ribbon cutting
Speaker 2: that he was a part of and literally steps away from.
Speaker 2: When this man was murdered his own home, not a word.
Speaker 2: We had the since he beat down in late July,
Speaker 2: what did he do? Left for vacation the day after
Speaker 2: it went down. It's going viral. You know it's going
Speaker 2: to be bad. And he fled to Canada. Ah, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're against chaos and no accountability and
Speaker 2: no context and doing order, the hell you want to
Speaker 2: not answering to anyone and destroyt I'm sorry, isn't it
Speaker 2: what aftabt puervol is doing right now? One of the
Speaker 2: criticisms is, you know Trump is he has his investigations
Speaker 2: and the law enforcement are now politically compromise of Justice
Speaker 2: department is not anymore. It's about it's about retribution and
Speaker 2: taking care of you on. Okay, Well, the guy who's
Speaker 2: just been named innor in chief knowingly wrote a citation
Speaker 2: to cause the arrest of the white guy who was
Speaker 2: the victim in the brawl. Not the responding cops, Not
Speaker 2: the cops who showed up because they said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we think you're the victim of a crime, but the
Speaker 2: lieutenant colonel. And it was a full month later, after
Speaker 2: the reverence demanded and after the press conference, the charges
Speaker 2: are filed and then sealed. What what This is not
Speaker 2: a criminal charge. It's a political charge. And it's all
Speaker 2: under sheer Long, who is essentially the pit bull for
Speaker 2: after puer vol the same guy who was forced by
Speaker 2: the order of his boss's any manager named it her
Speaker 2: in chief is a reward for being loyal. I may
Speaker 2: be wrong about that, and this is I don't think
Speaker 2: it's indictment of Henny, because I understand it's great guy.
Speaker 2: He's loved by the cops, and you know, I get it.
Speaker 2: You're going to do what you're told if you're the
Speaker 2: piper you call the tune, and Henny is not the piper.
Speaker 2: He's way down the food chain. And he didn't want
Speaker 2: his officers to have be forced politically by the mayor's
Speaker 2: office to do that, so he said, I'll do it
Speaker 2: for you. That that's leadership in a in a very
Speaker 2: and that's leadership in a vacuum, is what that is.
Speaker 2: So this is an attack on Henny. This is an attack
Speaker 2: on what happened we hear about. Oh my god, look
Speaker 2: at look at all the benefactors to Trump and the
Speaker 2: people that are as you know, the people that support
Speaker 2: him and give him money, and his benefactors that elon
Speaker 2: musks and the butt kissing him. Okay, unelected appoint he's
Speaker 2: have too much power. And this is a much smaller
Speaker 2: scale because of the city of Cincinnati. But what Tyris Rawley,
Speaker 2: she's she's interfering with cops who are awfully enforcement a
Speaker 2: law by arresting individuals without standing warrant. What you're supposed
Speaker 2: to do in your cop and she's telling the person
Speaker 2: you have rights to resist. This is a woman they
Speaker 2: pay over one hundred thousand dollars to who. By the way,
Speaker 2: three years ago, when Terry Thigi got the job. The candidates,
Speaker 2: including Terry, were interviewed by Iris Rawley. They had to
Speaker 2: pass the Iris Rowley test. What authority does she have?
Speaker 2: Two few and two infrequent state troopers, which they begutually
Speaker 2: went along with, but just enough to make it, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're cooperating with the state. You really aren't. They're coming
Speaker 2: in for like one, like one day a week or
Speaker 2: two days a week, something stupid like that. The state
Speaker 2: troopers had to be lectured by her. And if you
Speaker 2: talk about cronyism, Roy's son was hired to talk to
Speaker 2: young people at Fountain Square as a criminal pass and
Speaker 2: I guess it's maybe to get them on the right path.
Speaker 2: He's got a part time gig through his mom, paying
Speaker 2: sixty I think, what is it, almost sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year. Fifty thousand dollars a year. Sixty dollars an
Speaker 2: hour basically is what it is. What to talk to
Speaker 2: people to Fountain Square. You're getting fifty sixty bucks an hour.
Speaker 2: Who the hell doesn't want that gig? And why does
Speaker 2: he have that job because of his experien No, because
Speaker 2: his mom is connected the AFTM. So for all the
Speaker 2: folks who are down on the Riverfront this weekend with
Speaker 2: a No King's rally and all the stuff that you're against,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of there's a lot of things.
Speaker 2: I get it with this president that people don't like.
Speaker 2: I understand it. Some of it I agree with myself.
Speaker 2: But for me, who the problem is politics, it's not
Speaker 2: the politician, it's the party, it's the process. You know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny watching folks out there who are
Speaker 2: deep deep blue, angry at deep deep red, and they
Speaker 2: don't see that the deep deep problem is the same thing.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of characteristics I just laid out and
Speaker 2: probably many more that you can check the box for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but you can also check that box or
Speaker 2: after to have puerful other stuff going on. Speaking of which,
Speaker 2: speaking of the presidential l this is one to me
Speaker 2: that I look at and I don't know. We're just
Speaker 2: people are just so angry at one side or the
Speaker 2: other that they just they can't see even when it's
Speaker 2: something is I don't know, minor as remodeling the White House.
Speaker 2: They're gonna make a big deal out of it. So
Speaker 2: the Australian Prime ministers and I guess someone bumped into
Speaker 2: a four hundred year old mirr and Trump kind of
Speaker 2: lost his mind a little bit, which is kind of funny,
Speaker 2: but pointed out that he's worried about it about one
Speaker 2: mirror while the demolition crews at the same time are ripping,
Speaker 2: are destroying the east wing, and why are they destroying
Speaker 2: the east wing? They make room for this gaudy ballroom.
Speaker 2: Hold on just a second, y'all. The White House came
Speaker 2: to be the White House in seventeen ninety two. That's
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty three years. So let's just review
Speaker 2: a second. Okay, has that building changed you think substantially
Speaker 2: in the last two hundred and thirty plus years. Chester Arthur,
Speaker 2: Chester A Arthur, and the A stands well. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the A stands were, but it stands for something.
Speaker 2: Chester A. Arthur had a remodel done where it was
Speaker 2: largely Victorian, a lot of tiffany glass. Some people like
Speaker 2: the tiffany glass. Some people go it's too much. And
Speaker 2: one of those people to be Teddy Roosevelt, because twenty
Speaker 2: one years later he revitalized the White House added the
Speaker 2: West Wing. The West Wing wasn't always there. Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 2: tr put in the West Wing. It's a separate building
Speaker 2: that houses, as you know, the staff, the secretary's cabinet room,
Speaker 2: all that stuff as well. Then our own, Cincinnati's own
Speaker 2: William Howard Taft in nineteen oh nine, seven years later,
Speaker 2: comes in and expands the West Wing and says, you
Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna put an office in here, the
Speaker 2: Oval Office. The Oval Office was non existent till nineteen
Speaker 2: oh nine. In nineteen twenty seven, Calvin Coolidge put a
Speaker 2: third floor on and said, yeah, you know what, we're
Speaker 2: run out of space because we keep putting stuff in
Speaker 2: the attic. What if we just put a third floor
Speaker 2: in this thing? And at the time, the newspapers one
Speaker 2: newspaper work anti Calvin Coolidge, going, what are we doing
Speaker 2: over here? I know it's the twenties, the roaring twenties,
Speaker 2: and we've got money, but this seems irresponsible. And of
Speaker 2: course then during this whole remodel, we had the Great
Speaker 2: Depression kick in. Near the end of that term. In
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight, Truman said, okay, well we really need
Speaker 2: to double down here. And it was the most extensive
Speaker 2: renovation the history of the White House that lasted four
Speaker 2: years to remodel the White House entirely, which was well overneeded,
Speaker 2: desperately need at that point. But even since the Truman renovation.
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty two, Jackie Kennedy created the Rose Garden
Speaker 2: and you know, Donald Trump blew that up and it
Speaker 2: pissed every Oh Rose Garden the history again, what was
Speaker 2: the Rose Garden before Jackie Kennedy did something there? Gerald
Speaker 2: Ford put a swimming pool in, Nickson put in a
Speaker 2: bowling alley. In seventy three, Obama did the Big Dig
Speaker 2: and that just basically expanded the situation room and the
Speaker 2: space under the west wing, so nothing was destroyed there.
Speaker 2: But we've had a long history of blowing up the
Speaker 2: White House and doing different things. I just I don't
Speaker 2: understand why, hey, taking the west one would put a
Speaker 2: new ballroom in. It's just because Trump's doing it now.
Speaker 2: If Biden had won the election and we're doing it,
Speaker 2: I'm sure people on the right to be screaming out,
Speaker 2: we don't have the money to do this stuff, and
Speaker 2: so it goes. It's just the silliness of it. We've
Speaker 2: been remodeling the White House periodically for a long time
Speaker 2: because the building is two hundred and thirty three years old,
Speaker 2: and eventually you look at it going, this isn't working anymore.
Speaker 2: And I forget what Nixon's bowling all. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a bowling al anymore. It's something else. You think
Speaker 2: Obama had a basketball court putt it or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know if the court was always there, but had
Speaker 2: that I wonder if that went away. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it seems like they do a good job, even
Speaker 2: with the shutdown, of taking care of themselves. And that
Speaker 2: is the point of the discussion. It's like you keep
Speaker 2: blaming one side or the other. You just keep making
Speaker 2: excuses for your team and ignoring it when the other
Speaker 2: You emphasize it when the other side does it, ignore
Speaker 2: it when your side does it. It's exhausting. I think
Speaker 2: for those of us, the eighty percent of us, we
Speaker 2: just want to live our lives, make money, be left alone,
Speaker 2: probably feel about the same way. You know, back to
Speaker 2: the government shutdown. And as they said, as we get
Speaker 2: closer to thirty thirty five days in the significant of
Speaker 2: the shutdown gets greater and greater. You know, for the
Speaker 2: first couple of weeks, who cares, got some park shutdown? Okay,
Speaker 2: somebody could get paid eventually they get paid, you know,
Speaker 2: a month. And now it's starting to cut to the
Speaker 2: correl aboe. You know, we're getting job reports and things
Speaker 2: like that start to go by the wayside. And now
Speaker 2: you know, nuclear energy furloughs. Okay, well what does that
Speaker 2: look like? In the longer drags on, the deeper and
Speaker 2: deeper we start to feel this. But the beginning it's
Speaker 2: it's we're still I believe we're still in the theater
Speaker 2: stage at this thing. Okay, nuclear weapons agency has been
Speaker 2: hit according to Fox News, right, a government shut down
Speaker 2: hits top nuclear weapons agency. All Right, as I'd be
Speaker 2: concerned if we had to launch nukes, I would you
Speaker 2: still be able to do that? Yes, yes we would
Speaker 2: because all but eight percent of the government is still open.
Speaker 2: That's not going to change the pain felt by federal
Speaker 2: workers and contractors. And maybe when you show up to
Speaker 2: get something done, like for example, got an email. Doesn't
Speaker 2: apply to me at all, but I pay Social Security
Speaker 2: as probably you do when you get an email from
Speaker 2: the Social Security and mister saying listen, you know what
Speaker 2: the officers are shot, but you still do stuff online. So,
Speaker 2: as I said yesterday, is a matter of fact to
Speaker 2: our Buddy Schaeffer over it all worth financial they're going
Speaker 2: to get back together. I guess the people decide this
Speaker 2: to make sure that the COLO that would be the
Speaker 2: cost of living raiss for those on Social Security will
Speaker 2: get their cost of living increase, because if he didn't
Speaker 2: do that, and the old people who vote would be
Speaker 2: pissed off. Now you're literally putting your lips on that
Speaker 2: third rail. That's what you're doing. But you know, the
Speaker 2: stuff that's going to really really upset people, like Social Security,
Speaker 2: We're still going to continue to do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And we're always going to do that because this is
Speaker 2: nothing but theater.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Granted, the longer we get into it, the more of
Speaker 2: those things will see and feel, and we'll just get
Speaker 2: tired of them, and eventually somebody's gonna blink and they'll
Speaker 2: come back and we'll just shut the government down again
Speaker 2: in about six or seven weeks and start this process
Speaker 2: all over again. Slowly. Here the big one seven hundred
Speaker 2: WLW do have some developing news, and we've been so
Speaker 2: I got obsessed with the Terry Thiji thing that's still
Speaker 2: going on that there's actually other stuff going on in
Speaker 2: the world. Those things is recall, right before all this
Speaker 2: broke was the intoxicating hemp law reform that was going down,
Speaker 2: where intoxicating hemp UH and that whole process is it's
Speaker 2: rather complex if you're not following what's going on there.
Speaker 2: We have beverages out there that have THHC in them,
Speaker 2: and THHC, of course is the element in cannabis THHC
Speaker 2: delta nine in particular that gets you high. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion over this whole thing. I hope
Speaker 2: I can straighten it out maybe a little bit here,
Speaker 2: make some sense of this, because it's a complex issue
Speaker 2: as to why we're going after intoxicating hemp. And there's
Speaker 2: beverages out there that they sell that have THHC in it,
Speaker 2: but that derive from the hemp plant. And there's a
Speaker 2: lot of complex things. Largely it's because of all the
Speaker 2: lack of regulation and then sweeping regulation coming in once
Speaker 2: the people pass something like legislating recuational marijuana. So cannabis
Speaker 2: and hemp are related plants. They look alike chemically, they're different.
Speaker 2: The part that gets you high AF is a lot
Speaker 2: less present than hemp, so in cannabis, THHC is a
Speaker 2: lot higher. That's the stuff that gets you high, and
Speaker 2: CBD it's the opposite. It's it's a lot less. Hemp
Speaker 2: is legal in the United States, Cannabis isn't by federal law.
Speaker 2: Hemp is a plant, and bulk of hemp is actually
Speaker 2: used for fabric and clothing and stuff like that. Rope
Speaker 2: think for example, so THHG gets you high, CBD doesn't.
Speaker 2: Hemp has something like point three percent THHCN, just a
Speaker 2: trace amount of it. So somebody along the line said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, since there's this hemp loophole, quote unquote,
Speaker 2: if we just get a hell of a lot of
Speaker 2: hemp and extract that point three percent THCHD, we can
Speaker 2: take that and it'll have the same effect as marijuana plant,
Speaker 2: the America cannabis plant. So technically it's a loophole because we
Speaker 2: will always find a way around prohibition always. We always
Speaker 2: have in the world. If there's a black market, somebody's
Speaker 2: gonna find it. So hemp products can be sold almost
Speaker 2: anywhere in the state and the government has no jurisdiction.
Speaker 2: That's why we had this emergency order from the wine
Speaker 2: because the legislature was slow to move on changing end
Speaker 2: of it's because they're being held hostage, I guess by
Speaker 2: the far right. And we're afraid of church groups yelling
Speaker 2: at us because dare someone put something or do something
Speaker 2: that they disagree with put some of their body disagree
Speaker 2: with that. That's how it works. And so the other
Speaker 2: thing you need about Delta eight nine is eight is
Speaker 2: considered a less potent and milder than delta nine. That
Speaker 2: is a big component in cannabis, and you get more
Speaker 2: of a subdued high in that it's a little more relaxing,
Speaker 2: a little more clear headed. And delta nine is your
Speaker 2: classic weed high. And so we have these beverages that
Speaker 2: are infused with that product, the Delta eight that people enjoy.
Speaker 2: And then talking to well like the folks at fifty
Speaker 2: West for example, said hey, listen, you know our craft
Speaker 2: brew the whole craft brew thing starting to die. People
Speaker 2: are kind of craft brewed out. But you know what
Speaker 2: they really really like. They like these seltzers. They like
Speaker 2: these waters essentially that are infused with that Delta eight.
Speaker 2: So you get the same effect as alcohol, but also
Speaker 2: a lot of people like the way you feel the
Speaker 2: day after. You know, a lot of people get hangovers.
Speaker 2: By the way, my superpower, never get hungover, get drink
Speaker 2: and drink, drink, and wake up the next day ready
Speaker 2: to go. Don't know why, just how it is in
Speaker 2: that regard. People are going, Wow, you know what, I
Speaker 2: don't have that feeling I have the next day. I
Speaker 2: can have a couple of these and feel nice, have
Speaker 2: a good, warm feeling about me as you get with alcohol.
Speaker 2: But I don't have the residual effect. Okay, you're twenty
Speaker 2: one or older. What's wrong with that? Nothing? So the
Speaker 2: good news is, rather than we had this ninety day ban,
Speaker 2: and then of course there was a three companies, one
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati filing a lawsuit against this, and there's
Speaker 2: an injunction that stops so you can still drink those
Speaker 2: beverages at fifty West and elsewhere. It's all good now. Finally,
Speaker 2: what looks like we have the legislature being forced at
Speaker 2: gunpoint to do what they're unwilling to do, and we
Speaker 2: have new legislation that addresses all this stuff. The guy
Speaker 2: behind it, of course, is Steve Hoffman. He's a physician
Speaker 2: and also state senator from just the Tip City. He
Speaker 2: joins me next on the show to talk about this
Speaker 2: and more coming up on seven hundred WW Cincinnati Good
Speaker 2: Morning's Scott fum here on seven hundred WW streaming on
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. We have the PG stuff going on,
Speaker 2: of course, and we also have this this is kind
Speaker 2: of breaking news, and you're getting at first, three Ohio companies,
Speaker 2: you know, file a lawsuit challenging Governor to wines emergency
Speaker 2: order to ban the sale of low level intoxicating him products,
Speaker 2: namely those peltzers you like because they're infused with Delta eight.
Speaker 2: And a lawsuit was enjoined by those companies and he
Speaker 2: had a ninety day ban in effect, and that was
Speaker 2: set aside. But guess what, we may have a resolution.
Speaker 2: We may have a resolution in this whole sort of
Speaker 2: affair on that is Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman out of
Speaker 2: just a Tip City. He's a physician by trade, but
Speaker 2: also longtime lawmaker in the Senate. Steve, Good morning, Houses
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning. Find you.
Speaker 4: A beautiful day, beautiful day all as well.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. How about you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: You sponsored Senate Bill fifty six that was the controversial
Speaker 2: one overhauls of cannabis laws. Consolidates and revises a medical
Speaker 2: and adult use marijuana regulations. Also establishes, in more importantly,
Speaker 2: a regulatory flame framework for all the stuff to work.
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden time hemp comes along and
Speaker 2: people are going, oh, well, we can kind of milk
Speaker 2: that hemp and get old thc out of it enough
Speaker 2: to make an intoxicating beverage or edible or vape or
Speaker 2: tincture or something along those lines. Unfortunate because it's not regulated.
Speaker 2: Some retailers, not a lot of them, but a number
Speaker 2: of them, to take notice, are selling them the kids,
Speaker 2: and we can't have that. I understand that whole thing.
Speaker 2: I thought that the ninety day ban was all overreaching
Speaker 2: when you're preventing adultsom enjoying. But again, the lawsuit forces
Speaker 2: the hand, the Governor DeWine forces the hand, and the
Speaker 2: end result is we're hearing that there's a sub bill
Speaker 2: to be added to your Senate Bill fifty six. It
Speaker 2: would add hemp regulation to it, kind of bringing everything
Speaker 2: together in the same page. Is that The short story
Speaker 2: is that the quick read the quick read.
Speaker 4: I also had the Senate passed out my bill sent
Speaker 4: Bill eighty six was on hemp, and basically what we
Speaker 4: did was put all the intoxicating hemp into the dispensaries.
Speaker 4: And that's where the two got put together. And we
Speaker 4: have one on marijuana, and and the House yesterday spoke
Speaker 4: about you know, they passed out of committee basically changing
Speaker 4: the hemp thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't you know, the idea of going
Speaker 2: to a convenience store, be it anyone for that matter,
Speaker 2: no idea whatsoever, you're going to buy something that can
Speaker 2: get you as intoxicated as as an adult beverage, you
Speaker 2: need to be cardedt ID four at age twenty one.
Speaker 2: That that didn't apply. It was kind of a loopholear
Speaker 2: that cleans all this up. So you won't see retailers carryouts,
Speaker 2: roague carryouts for that matter, doing what we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: because you can't have that.
Speaker 4: And I agree with that, right, I mean, the overall
Speaker 4: pemis is youre have to be twenty one you over
Speaker 4: to buy it. Now, there's you know, the established as
Speaker 4: a license where four hundred places that are already selling
Speaker 4: this in eighty percent of their retail is him. They
Speaker 4: will be able to continue to do this. But in here,
Speaker 4: as as you've spoken before, and your wife enjoys the
Speaker 4: cannabis strength, that you'd be able to sell the five
Speaker 4: percent of the five milligrams of THHC and a bar,
Speaker 4: but you would be able to as a carryout by
Speaker 4: ten milligrams from that bar or from a liquor establishment
Speaker 4: at twenty one and over.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I again most people, myself included doctor, Really
Speaker 2: I don't understand five milligrams and HAM two million. I
Speaker 2: look at some gummies that are five MILLI not point five,
Speaker 2: but five milligram or ten milligram gummies, which you certainly
Speaker 2: can feel the effect of. From what I understand, the
Speaker 2: point five seems rather low. Is there nothing point five milligrams?
Speaker 2: And let's say a can of seltzer? How does that
Speaker 2: compare to let's say a can of beer. As far
Speaker 2: as the effect, I.
Speaker 4: Think the effect of five milligrams is like a six
Speaker 4: percent bud, Like you know, you have one, Hey, you're
Speaker 4: not going to really feel much of the fact. You know,
Speaker 4: two or three or four you may start getting intoxicated
Speaker 4: and do funny things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense. You drink three or four
Speaker 2: of them, you're starting to feel the effects of it,
Speaker 2: which you know you don't want to make it completely
Speaker 2: alcohol or in this case THHC free because it defeats
Speaker 2: the purpose if you're looking to, you know, maybe feel good.
Speaker 2: And let's face a lot of people like to say,
Speaker 2: I drink Why do I like craft beer? I like
Speaker 2: the taste. Why do I like bourbon? I like the
Speaker 2: taste of it? Most people drink it to get well
Speaker 2: messed up. Let's let's just call it what it is
Speaker 2: and a little chemical yoga. As long as you do
Speaker 2: it in control, you're not driving who you hurt, and
Speaker 2: except maybe yourself a little bit. Now, if it gets
Speaker 2: to be a habit, different story. But nonetheless, these are
Speaker 2: the vices which adults are allowed to enjoy in the
Speaker 2: Buckeye State and across this country of our steef off men.
Speaker 2: It fine with it, So that's good. Is there anything
Speaker 2: in here? Is this gonna let's rewind You may not
Speaker 2: know the answer to this, but well, let's satisfy those
Speaker 2: who the three companies that brought the suit in the
Speaker 2: first place. I mean, have you met with them? It's okay,
Speaker 2: what are your grievances? And this addresses them and less
Speaker 2: satisfy that lawsuit, so simply it goes away.
Speaker 4: That's a good questions, There's some things in here that
Speaker 4: bothers the industry. So one of the big thing about
Speaker 4: the ballot in issues that has been a concern is
Speaker 4: the monopoly that it could created so that anybody in
Speaker 4: the industry got to stay in the industry. We're limiting
Speaker 4: the number of marijuana dispensaries. Well, this bill does the
Speaker 4: same thing. So it only's going to provide four hundred
Speaker 4: license to the four hundred people that are doing it now.
Speaker 4: So if Scott Sloan said, I want to have the
Speaker 4: hemp score, well, it would be very difficult for a
Speaker 4: number of reasons. One, there's only there's no more licenses
Speaker 4: because we're giving them out to the people that are
Speaker 4: already there. And number two, if there's a license, you're
Speaker 4: going to stay seventy thousand dollars a year, and the
Speaker 4: other guys that are already established or are are going
Speaker 4: to pay ten thousand or fifteen thousand for their license.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really seem a capitalist thing that the pre
Speaker 4: market that I mean, shouldn't we have let anybody that
Speaker 4: provide the safe store to be able to sell it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that seems reasonable to me, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a reasonable suggestion. We'll see what the industry's reaction
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 3: Is.
Speaker 2: But but at the same time, we're also limiting it
Speaker 2: to like four hundred damp outlets across the state with
Speaker 2: millions of people. You know, you talk about I guess
Speaker 2: capitalism and and you know, having a market there. And
Speaker 2: I think hemp dispensers can they can't be with like
Speaker 2: a mile each other or something like that. Why why such,
Speaker 2: Why the restrictions there?
Speaker 4: You know, I think the House tried to model some
Speaker 4: things that we did uh in in marijuana, and you know,
Speaker 4: I think to prevent you don't want in downtown Cincinnati
Speaker 4: every other store to be marijuana and hemp. And you know,
Speaker 4: also in this bill, it allows the city townships to
Speaker 4: say I just don't want hemp, I just don't want marijuana.
Speaker 3: You can't come in, and that's.
Speaker 4: Their right, but you know it would limit it that.
Speaker 4: You know, a few months ago when I was testifying,
Speaker 4: I kind of threw people for a loophole and I said,
Speaker 4: I think we should deregulate marijuana within five years. Anybody
Speaker 4: should be able to. I mean, if you can, if
Speaker 4: you have the money, and you can provide a store
Speaker 4: that's and process it and grow it properly and under
Speaker 4: the surveillance of the Cannabis Commission, go at it. If
Speaker 4: we really want to drive down prices and have a
Speaker 4: free market, we should deregulate it. But that fell on
Speaker 4: deaf ear.
Speaker 2: One would think, because the market would control. But in
Speaker 2: this case, you know, you have four hundred outlets for
Speaker 2: a state that has damn near twelve million people. I'm
Speaker 2: doing the math on that one. It doesn't math that much. Now.
Speaker 2: Granted a lot of our state is rural, but I
Speaker 2: just wonder if that's too few, how do you determine
Speaker 2: that number. What's that even based on?
Speaker 4: I think they looked at about how many stores are
Speaker 4: currently out there, and to hold it artificially low in
Speaker 4: it benefits to current people, it does not benefit entrepreneurism out.
Speaker 3: There at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at how little the stuff costs
Speaker 2: in Michigan. It's because, man, I'll tell you, up there,
Speaker 2: they have tons of it. Now, some may say, well
Speaker 2: it's too much, but again you have a gold rush
Speaker 2: and opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the game, and
Speaker 2: so you'll see a lot of storefronts. What happens generally
Speaker 2: in the cycle of business then is those little fish
Speaker 2: either can't figure out a business model to make it work,
Speaker 2: they go out of business, which happens all the time
Speaker 2: to natural cycle things, or they get successful and they
Speaker 2: get bought up by bigger fish and eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: you have a limited number of fish in the market
Speaker 2: to control everything. So that but that's down the line,
Speaker 2: and it seems like we're artificially blocking that market right there.
Speaker 2: He is Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman on the show on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WW the good news about this band and
Speaker 2: how that affects you as if you enjoy the THHC
Speaker 2: laced beverages like at fifty West, for example, the sunflower
Speaker 2: products are really good. This is this is going to
Speaker 2: allow this to continue to occur. So for example, our
Speaker 2: friends fifty West or any local company around here, they say, listen,
Speaker 2: our beer sales. Craft beer is kind of it's dwindling.
Speaker 2: It's starting to go down. Numbers are going now. We
Speaker 2: had peak craft beer, but so many more people now
Speaker 2: are enjoying these THHG lays drinks. They're going to still
Speaker 2: be able to sell them at a bar. The ones
Speaker 2: with the higher amounts will have to be sold at
Speaker 2: a carry out.
Speaker 4: Correct more takeout from the bar.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if you can't sell the.
Speaker 4: Ten milligrams to drink for the bar.
Speaker 3: You have to take that out. It's the way it's.
Speaker 2: Currently written good because that was a concern. They're said, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: craft beer is dying, and now you guys are going
Speaker 2: to put this ninety day moratorium on creating crafting product
Speaker 2: and selling it. I'm going to go out of business.
Speaker 2: And fortunately, I think what the governor did, and I
Speaker 2: disagree with holding up the children as a reason why
Speaker 2: to do this an extreme example, but he did what
Speaker 2: he set out to do and that has forced the
Speaker 2: legislature and force the lawmakers in Columbus to act on
Speaker 2: and do something about this loophole and specifically regulating this product.
Speaker 2: And I get if government comes in, we need to
Speaker 2: regulate things and make sure it's safe and fair and
Speaker 2: also make sure it's not falling in the hands of
Speaker 2: the underage. And that's what regulatory regulatory framework does. I
Speaker 2: understand that it's just manned the legislature dragging their feet
Speaker 2: on this thing, and it makes no sense to me
Speaker 2: because the end result is people wind up losing out.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, you're making business have to work
Speaker 2: harder to work around the slow pace of the government.
Speaker 2: I understand that fortunately we had in this case the
Speaker 2: legislature moving forward and saying, okay, we're going to come
Speaker 2: up with some frameworks here and maybe this will work
Speaker 2: out for everyone.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the other things I saw here, and I
Speaker 2: saw kind of the outline of the of the code itself.
Speaker 2: It allows this little municipalities, as you said, to ban
Speaker 2: happen marijuana dispensers. For in Mason, for example, long ago
Speaker 2: they said we don't want this here, still not there.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it also prohibits them from
Speaker 2: taxing these products. So is there a rationale there for
Speaker 2: giving cities the power to ban but not the tax.
Speaker 4: We don't want to drive the price up from one.
Speaker 4: He has always been the philosophy, especially on marijuana, that
Speaker 4: if you you know, let them packed. You know, in
Speaker 4: this bill, we're doing what the municipalities want.
Speaker 3: Because if you go back to.
Speaker 4: The Vallid initiative, the valid initiative taxed it at ten
Speaker 4: percent and then put thirty six to the locals. But
Speaker 4: there's a flaw in it that did not release the
Speaker 4: money to the locals. So over the last almost two
Speaker 4: years they haven't gotten the money. And so this bill
Speaker 4: would keep that intact and then given a mechanism to
Speaker 4: release the money. It would also add a ten percent
Speaker 4: tax on a hint product. If that's constitutional. We're still
Speaker 4: working through that because you're not allowed to tax things
Speaker 4: from out of that come from out of state at
Speaker 4: a higher rate and attack your own stuff as a
Speaker 4: federal law. So we'll see if that that'll work out.
Speaker 2: For us, all right, And then in the regulatory as mean,
Speaker 2: it's kind of wonky. I suppose as I've read through
Speaker 2: the note on this and said, okay, well, we've got
Speaker 2: these different regulatory frameworks, right, We've got the hemp dispensaries
Speaker 2: or under cannabis control, the drinkables under liquor control. Does
Speaker 2: that create confusion and inefficiency?
Speaker 4: It can? I mean, if you're a business that has
Speaker 4: two if you do, if you're if you're a hint
Speaker 4: and you have gummies and all sorts of ointments and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and you also have beverages, you're answering
Speaker 4: to two masters. Now right right, it does. But you
Speaker 4: look at it at Kroger's or a grocery store, you
Speaker 4: know they have they have to facto license, they have
Speaker 4: a liquor license, they have a pharmacy, they're they're answering
Speaker 4: the multil a agencies in the state of Ohio and
Speaker 4: federal agencies also. But sometimes that's that's the way it
Speaker 4: works out. If that's the business line, you need one.
Speaker 2: Of the other things in here. Steve Hoffmann relative to
Speaker 2: the regulatory structure, I was talking to our friends at
Speaker 2: fifty West about this after this ed it came down
Speaker 2: from the governor of the ninety day ban and what
Speaker 2: that would do to business, and it's horrible. So they're
Speaker 2: they're they're cranking out the sunflower product right now, which
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: enjoy that. Of course, there's other brewers and manufacturers that
Speaker 2: do this locally, and God bless them because I like
Speaker 2: when people make money. It makes them make pay taxes
Speaker 2: and everybody's happy, especially when it's something leisurely and a
Speaker 2: vice like drinking an adult beverage. So this will require
Speaker 2: those companies, the cannabinoid manufacturers to have sales toritories for distributors,
Speaker 2: kind of like alcohol distribution. Does that limit market efficiency
Speaker 2: and competition or is that like, hey, we do this
Speaker 2: for alcohols, would be fair to do it to these
Speaker 2: products as well.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that was their philosophy. They do it
Speaker 4: for alcohol. You know, there's a thought that we should
Speaker 4: to me, it's a disadvantage the vast majority that does
Speaker 4: the hamp products in beverages or the craft brewers. And
Speaker 4: you look at ryan Geist there in Cincinnati, and I
Speaker 4: don't know how many they do, but just say they're
Speaker 4: going to do. They have you know, ten bars in
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and twenty retail outlets that they sell it. They
Speaker 4: would be more efficient to load their truck up at
Speaker 4: their factory and drive to those places rather than to
Speaker 4: take that truck to the distributor, which might be in
Speaker 4: Middletown and then that truck will then disperse thing to it.
Speaker 4: Certainly wouldn't be as efficient and probably cost effective. So
Speaker 4: because it's they tend to be more on the smaller scale.
Speaker 4: That's certainly not the Budweisers that are doing it.
Speaker 2: All right, right, Steve Hoffman, all right, So this is
Speaker 2: just kind of like written in pencil, not pen yet.
Speaker 2: What is the timeline for getting this done? You think
Speaker 2: what happens next?
Speaker 5: Well, the so.
Speaker 3: The house passed it out.
Speaker 4: You know, if we sent that over there in March
Speaker 4: so they've been sitting on it for seven months. So
Speaker 4: the inactivity was not from the from the from the
Speaker 4: Senate standpoint. But I do not think that the Senate
Speaker 4: is going to agree with the current form. I think
Speaker 4: probably in the next two or three weeks, you know,
Speaker 4: certainly before Thanksgiving, we will sit down and take the
Speaker 4: good on both sides and come up with something that
Speaker 4: both of us in the industry can is reasonable to
Speaker 4: be safe and have an efficient industry here in the
Speaker 4: state of Lahare.
Speaker 2: So in the meantime, everything works away, it was working before.
Speaker 2: The good news is you don't know what about.
Speaker 4: Right with with the with the temporary restraining order. Everything's
Speaker 4: working us before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'll fill the void and we'll never notice,
Speaker 2: which is how I like things to work. It's like
Speaker 2: when my phone or my tablet or my computer updates.
Speaker 2: It does it in the dark night when I'm dead asleep, Steve,
Speaker 2: and I wake up, and everything's the way it should be.
Speaker 2: That's what I want us.
Speaker 4: Well, you you hope that's the way it works, because
Speaker 4: you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Well, if next time we talk and we're talking about
Speaker 2: the blue screen of death and we've got a real
Speaker 2: but hopefully all this happens behind the scene and you
Speaker 2: can go to a bar or a restaurant in order to
Speaker 2: your favorite CBD beverage. Steve Hoffman, Senator Steve Hoffman from
Speaker 2: a Tip City, I appreciate your help on this too
Speaker 2: and help them figure this out. It's a complex issue,
Speaker 2: but we need more joy in life, not less joy.
Speaker 2: But if you know drinking a THC infused seltzer is
Speaker 2: not your joy, well it certainly as someone else's, and
Speaker 2: damn it as an American, as an Ohioan. I want
Speaker 2: to fight and make sure and I know you do too,
Speaker 2: that that people can do that and enjoy that, provided
Speaker 2: they're twenty one or older and doing it responsibly. All
Speaker 2: the best to you, my friend. Thanks again, you take
Speaker 2: care of that. Take care, I say, more intoxicating beverages, edibles, tintures, vapes,
Speaker 2: et cetera, not less. I'm on the pro chemical yoga
Speaker 2: side of life. Were I'm a little eye voted sticker. Look,
Speaker 2: we got to get a news update. And why do
Speaker 2: we enjoy adult beverages and other things that make us relaxed,
Speaker 2: Well because of real life streussors. Biggest stress or we're
Speaker 2: facing in Cincinnati. Of course, is what the hell is
Speaker 2: happening with crime? I'm and the police chief and how
Speaker 2: is this whole thing handled by the way, I say
Speaker 2: not well, I would say horribly by this administration. Julie Bouki,
Speaker 2: our career, Shirpa spent a lifetime in HR. She knows
Speaker 2: all how this stuff should work, and when it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: she pokes holes in it. She's going to do that.
Speaker 2: Next is Julie on the job Scott's loan seven hundred WT.
Speaker 1: Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. Here's
Speaker 1: our career, shirp on it. Julie Bouki.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I always love it when a topic comes up,
Speaker 2: something comes up that's ripped from the pages of today's headlines.
Speaker 2: And of course that would be what's transpired here in
Speaker 2: the last three days with the chief Terry Thiji. And
Speaker 2: she was summoned backed you may recall last week from Denver.
Speaker 2: She's at a conference in Denver Police chiefs conference. They
Speaker 2: tell you got to get come back. We have urgent
Speaker 2: business regarding the safety of Cincinnati. Now what in urgent
Speaker 2: business I was? When no one knows because there's really
Speaker 2: nothing happening wasn't a shooting like we had a Fountain Square.
Speaker 2: We had the Thursday night occurrence, but that was still
Speaker 2: being investigated. It wasn't like a big mass casually event
Speaker 2: she had to come back for, thank god. And immediately
Speaker 2: it got out that well, they're going to fire her,
Speaker 2: and then it turned into a paid administrative leave and
Speaker 2: there were no answers coming from city Hall relative to well,
Speaker 2: what did she do or did she not do that
Speaker 2: caused her her job essentially, and she's hanging limbo. She's
Speaker 2: not been fired, she's still unpaid leave, although we have
Speaker 2: an interim chief that's in the fact right now and
Speaker 2: the end results are paying her. We had her attorneys
Speaker 2: speak live on the radio yesterday at ten am about
Speaker 2: what was transpiring that she actually had. There was no
Speaker 2: cause to do this whatsoever. She was always never really
Speaker 2: anything bad in her record of thirty five years law enforcement.
Speaker 2: She's the chief. We have a crime spree. But is
Speaker 2: that relative to the policy set forth by this administration
Speaker 2: and draft at pure vault or is that Chief Thigi
Speaker 2: to the point where what does chief interim Chief Henny
Speaker 2: get you? That Chief Thiji doesn't get you, and no
Speaker 2: one can answer that question. It is a cluster bleief
Speaker 2: and a dumpster fire and a tire fire all in one.
Speaker 2: Julie Balk, Welcome back. Good to have you on. Julie
Speaker 2: on the Job, our career SHIPA who is a licensed
Speaker 2: professional in the state of Human Resources, how are you?
Speaker 6: I would just say that I have opinions. I have
Speaker 6: strong opinions that I'm not willing that I'm not unwilling
Speaker 6: to that I'm not unwilling to share. So that's where
Speaker 6: we are. And yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 6: First of all, anytime you have something that happens at
Speaker 6: this level in a city where everybody's got their hands
Speaker 6: in the pie in terms of everybody has a stake.
Speaker 6: When you really think about there's the community, there's the government,
Speaker 6: there's the FOP, there's you know, the police officers, there's
Speaker 6: there's all these different constituencies, the media, in the fact
Speaker 6: that we do have an election for mayor coming up
Speaker 6: in two weeks, there's all of those things. It's almost
Speaker 6: like they just get thrown into a call ldren using
Speaker 6: a Halloween theme and stirred up and so there are
Speaker 6: there's so much we don't know here. What we do
Speaker 6: know is that the crime problem, whatever your perception of
Speaker 6: it is, is never just the fault of one person.
Speaker 3: But when you are the.
Speaker 6: Leader of an organization, of an organization, you will all
Speaker 6: you will often take the slings and arrows, whether you
Speaker 6: are beloved by your group or not. That's just the
Speaker 6: nature of being in a high level position, in a
Speaker 6: high level position, in a high visibility role, where there
Speaker 6: are so many different people with stakes in it, and
Speaker 6: it's you know, I was reading a bunch of stubbs
Speaker 6: and watching a bunch of videos this morning in preparation
Speaker 6: for this and was reminded that the city is still
Speaker 6: in an ongoing dispute with the past fire chief. Yep,
Speaker 6: and that's been continuing.
Speaker 2: And Steven Ann, the guy who represents Terry Fiji, also
Speaker 2: represents former chief Washington. So it's sound employment and it's
Speaker 2: all battled out in the public eye, unlike typically where
Speaker 2: we all work and where you work, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: there may be a regime change, there may be layoffs.
Speaker 2: We just did that, and there's no easy way. We've
Speaker 2: often talked about the fire people. You call in one
Speaker 2: at a time on firing day, and then you just
Speaker 2: wait for your name to be called you bring everybody
Speaker 2: in one big cattle call and fire group of people.
Speaker 2: That's in humane as well. There's no real good way
Speaker 2: to do this. But the way this whole thing is handled,
Speaker 2: because it's in the public eye, it's the government that
Speaker 2: technically works for us because the people are the government
Speaker 2: a lot. I'd safe to say every man and woman
Speaker 2: who's following the story is not pleased at how it's
Speaker 2: been handled so far. So this is a different thing.
Speaker 2: And then, as you mentioned, politics are involved here too,
Speaker 2: because in an election coming up, how does this help
Speaker 2: have to add peival to get re elected or doesn't it.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks he's got in the bag. It
Speaker 2: really doesn't matter. I'm just curious to see what happens
Speaker 2: at this point. Let's get into that, Julie. If you're
Speaker 2: on Terry's team, Terry Thiji, what are you going to
Speaker 2: get out of this? You're not going to get your
Speaker 2: job back, are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So if she were sitting with me right now, and
Speaker 6: I've met her several times, you know, but if she
Speaker 6: was sitting asking my advice, very she's asking my advice,
Speaker 6: that's what I would say. I said, what do you
Speaker 6: want out of this? If you get your job back,
Speaker 6: it's going to be under incredibly increased scrutiny and attention.
Speaker 3: You're going to be put.
Speaker 6: Back into your job against the wishes of the people
Speaker 6: who are responsible for hiring and firing, which you know
Speaker 6: since two thousand and one that falls under the city manager.
Speaker 6: And so what what are you trying to get out
Speaker 6: of this? I don't get the sense. And this is
Speaker 6: just me kind of reading between the lines, which is
Speaker 6: a little dangerous, but is that It's not about she's
Speaker 6: trying to get some big severance package. It's about I
Speaker 6: am being targeted for something that is not that of
Speaker 6: course I have some responsibility for, but it's not entirely
Speaker 6: my responsibility. There are when you look at these problems
Speaker 6: that have come up, And I just want to say
Speaker 6: that last night I lived downtown and last night I
Speaker 6: was out walking around and it was dark, and I
Speaker 6: was down by Fountain Square and I saw no less
Speaker 6: than twelve police officers, no less. I was counting them,
Speaker 6: which then made me say, Okay, we know there's a
Speaker 6: staffing shortage, we know where are they not showing up
Speaker 6: where they need to be showing up. And so I'm
Speaker 6: very sympathetic to It's not her fault. It's not the
Speaker 6: officers on the street. They can't be everywhere at once.
Speaker 6: It's not all the mayor's fault. There's a lot of
Speaker 6: responsibility that lies in the home and with the community.
Speaker 6: And any time you have something like this that's such
Speaker 6: a hot potato, you've got Corey Bowman, the other candidate
Speaker 6: for mayor, chiming in. It's it's almost like, and I
Speaker 6: hate to say this, but in almost every situation, even
Speaker 6: in a corporate situation, someone is going to take the fall.
Speaker 7: Is it right?
Speaker 6: No, of course not, but it is. It is what
Speaker 6: it is. And I was thinking about this because when
Speaker 6: I went back when I was in HR, we had
Speaker 6: this guy who he has passed away, so I always
Speaker 6: feel like I can tell the story freely. He ran
Speaker 6: the department, and he was just a massive creep, like
Speaker 6: Harvey Weinstein creep, and everybody knew it's but his numbers
Speaker 6: were really good, his results were really good, and so
Speaker 6: nobody everyone was like, uh huh, huh uh huh when
Speaker 6: you try to say, here's what's going on. And he
Speaker 6: was supposed to lose Cannon in so many different ways,
Speaker 6: and nobody wanted to hear it because the train was
Speaker 6: running on the tracks at least from.
Speaker 3: A results point.
Speaker 6: The minute the train started go off the tracks, he
Speaker 6: became enemy member one and he was fired. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're the same guy doing the same creepy thing today
Speaker 6: that you were yesterday. But now all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: you know it's a problem. And so when you know so,
Speaker 6: it's it's human nature. Whether you're in the police department
Speaker 6: or Kroger or anywhere, look at look at the top
Speaker 6: person is always in the crosshairs. And you know, I
Speaker 6: was reading through all these things, listening to people's comments,
Speaker 6: people in the community, and there's a lot of support
Speaker 6: for her in the community talking about her policing style.
Speaker 6: But I also saw some videos from you know, our
Speaker 6: buddy Ken Cober talking about his funds for the interim chief,
Speaker 6: Adam Henny. So that availed message that says, wow, we're
Speaker 6: so glad to have Adam Henny because maybe the leader
Speaker 6: of the rank and file in the FOP didn't respect
Speaker 6: her as a leader, and the city saying ineffective leadership,
Speaker 6: and so if you're going to lead with that as
Speaker 6: a as a reason, then you've got to be able
Speaker 6: to back that up when this goes to court, because it.
Speaker 2: Will well there's there's the thing is Julie Balgare curusher.
Speaker 2: But Julie on the job this morning, every Wednesday morning,
Speaker 2: this time with Solny on seven hundred WLW was the
Speaker 2: biggest story. Of course, that would be Terry Figi and
Speaker 2: this is perfect for her because it is hr and
Speaker 2: how it's mishandled and how no one knows why the
Speaker 2: reasons why Chief Thiji was well not even fired at this.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing is paid administrative leave. If you're fired,
Speaker 2: you're fired. Why why don't they just drop the X
Speaker 2: and say okay, it's now Adam Henny. That's another thing
Speaker 2: is why prolong this?
Speaker 6: You know? And I don't. The thing we don't know
Speaker 6: what are the terms of the contract. Someone did say
Speaker 6: that in the contract she a couple of sayings that
Speaker 6: she's entitled to if she were to leave, and I
Speaker 6: don't think se is mentioned, so it could be. And
Speaker 6: this is weird where this is what the previous fire chief.
Speaker 6: One of his claims is I did not get due process. Okay,
Speaker 6: so what does that look like? And so you can
Speaker 6: either when it comes to what is due process. Let's
Speaker 6: say for firing a police chief, for a fire chief.
Speaker 6: Let's just pull this out of the air, because that's
Speaker 6: what we've got in front of it. What does that
Speaker 6: look like? What does due process look like? My opinion
Speaker 6: of it might be very different from yours. So is
Speaker 6: that review of all of the reasoning and the evidence,
Speaker 6: bipartisan committee? Is that a period of time in which
Speaker 6: people get to get their act together, like maybe sixty days,
Speaker 6: where people can gather their thoughts. So what is the purpose?
Speaker 6: There has to be a purpose. I don't know if
Speaker 6: they thought when she was being put on paid administrative
Speaker 6: leave that she would quit, but they had to know
Speaker 6: that this was coming no big surprise. And so from
Speaker 6: a strategy standpoint, if you're the city, you have to
Speaker 6: get in the room with all the people who have
Speaker 6: their fingers in this and say, okay, so what does
Speaker 6: the contract say? Are we living by the terms of
Speaker 6: the contract? And do we generally operate?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 6: Are we generally operating the same with everybody?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Are we being fair?
Speaker 6: What is our evidence that she's an ineffective leader? Who
Speaker 6: says so? And why now not?
Speaker 2: What's the evaluation? And it's like, if she's enforcing the
Speaker 2: policies that our policies are placed in by the people
Speaker 2: above her, and she just enforces the policies and the
Speaker 2: dictates of the office, so she doesn't control that. But
Speaker 2: we know that in politics there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that follow the sword for the people above them, and
Speaker 2: then they're made whole later when no one's paying attention,
Speaker 2: and God only knows what that includes. But I also
Speaker 2: heard too that there is no non disclosure agreement here,
Speaker 2: so you got to get her to sign an NDA.
Speaker 2: And as you know, NDAs can be costly because if
Speaker 2: your chief theeves, you probably know some things and have
Speaker 2: evidence that are going to make the administration, namely share
Speaker 2: long the city manage and most likely have to appear
Speaker 2: of all but others. You've got some dirt there, and
Speaker 2: and to make people like this shut up, you got
Speaker 2: to cut them a big check. So the question is, Julie,
Speaker 2: how big a check are we talking? And am I
Speaker 2: wrong about that analysis?
Speaker 6: No, no, you're not wrong. I think the decision before
Speaker 6: anything happens, before you say get back from Denver today
Speaker 6: instead of two days from now, which seems like why arbitrary?
Speaker 2: It's arbitrary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to say, Okay, what's worst case?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 6: What it's worst case she sueses, all this stuff becomes public.
Speaker 6: How do we Because if you didn't think she was
Speaker 6: going to file a lawsuit.
Speaker 3: You have not been paying attention, right because.
Speaker 6: It's and so I don't I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's just it makes the way it looks and I
Speaker 6: always say, Okay, we don't know everything, but the way
Speaker 6: it looks to the community is there's this handle in
Speaker 6: a chaotic manner and a non thoughtful man that brings
Speaker 6: in the bring that considers all the possible outcomes. Because
Speaker 6: now you potentially have her and a lawsuit sitting out
Speaker 6: there next to Michael Washington's lawsuit, which you've been going
Speaker 6: on for years now. And now what if they have
Speaker 6: if they end up for a seventh tape? Where's that
Speaker 6: where's that money coming from?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know how much longer you can delay.
Speaker 2: You you've been on that side of the desk of
Speaker 2: the NDAs and stuff in this for anyone listening. If
Speaker 2: they trace you get fired normally, here's your check, here's
Speaker 2: your two weeks, two months, two years, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: This is what you're in tel We'll give you this
Speaker 2: in exchange for this check. Here's this check. Uh, and
Speaker 2: now you just lost your job. You don't have the
Speaker 2: future holds. You're probably scared to death. That's they've got
Speaker 2: you in a vulnerable position, which is terrible from a
Speaker 2: negotiation standpoint. But isn't this like just like a contract negotiation,
Speaker 2: the NDA period where you know, if you sign this,
Speaker 2: we'll give you your your two week severance right now.
Speaker 2: Don't sign the check that you can negotiate all that,
Speaker 2: can't you?
Speaker 6: Sometimes, so an NDA is most often you so that
Speaker 6: you don't disclose company secrets. I'm going from one company
Speaker 6: to a competitor, And sometimes there will be like a
Speaker 6: non compete which says you can't work in this market
Speaker 6: for six months or you can't work with people who
Speaker 6: are direct competitors for twelve months. So that's general, there's
Speaker 6: a non compete, But then there's also a lot of
Speaker 6: times an NDA, which means you're not going to run
Speaker 6: over to even if you don't go work for a competitor,
Speaker 6: you're not going to call them up and say, hey,
Speaker 6: I got a bunch of company secrets here I'm going
Speaker 6: to share with you. So those are to me especially
Speaker 6: if NDA is very reasonable, now when and quus it?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 6: Again, I'm not an attorney. This is just based on
Speaker 6: you know, go to what I've seen. When you say,
Speaker 6: when you say so, then they'll they'll look at if
Speaker 6: I said no non compete for two years? Does that
Speaker 6: interfere with your ability to make a living? And in
Speaker 6: a lot of cases it does.
Speaker 7: Two years is too long.
Speaker 6: So NDA they had in it a non dis paragement
Speaker 6: clause which says you will not speak ill of this company.
Speaker 6: And a lot of big companies, a lot of women
Speaker 6: back when all this me too stuff was going on
Speaker 6: was really coming out, they got big payouts and they
Speaker 6: find an NDA they would not dispair it.
Speaker 2: But it's a big payout. The question is how big
Speaker 2: a payout, meaning how much money are the taxpayer is
Speaker 2: going to have to foot the bill for this malfeasance
Speaker 2: and incompetence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I don't I think it could have been
Speaker 6: handled better. But I also say that because I also
Speaker 6: am always very careful because we don't know the whole
Speaker 6: story from from we don't know everything. We can only take.
Speaker 3: Which put out.
Speaker 6: But then again the other time, that is if you're
Speaker 6: out there, if you're a manager. You have to so
Speaker 6: carefully manage what you put out, what you say. Everybody
Speaker 6: has to be on the same page, and you have
Speaker 6: to anticipate all these things and be ready for you.
Speaker 6: If not, you just have a dumpster fire.
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that. The problem is politics, and
Speaker 2: of course you know, people just continue to vote blue
Speaker 2: in Hamblin County and get what they get, and the
Speaker 2: same people complain about the people who voted red. And
Speaker 2: we had protests down at the riverfront this weekend over,
Speaker 2: but turn that mirror around. How much of the parallels,
Speaker 2: how much stuff you bitching about Trump is a to
Speaker 2: have pure vault doing. There's there's there's the ven diagram,
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Speaker 2: Have a great week. We'll talk next Wednesday. By then
Speaker 2: we probably still won't have this thing settled. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about it one more. We'll just read. We'll just rehash
Speaker 2: us for the next three Wednesdays to decide what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, be well, take care, thank you. Got to
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Speaker 2: and that has really overshadowed things for most of the week,
Speaker 2: at least this early half of the week. But we
Speaker 2: also have other things going on, trouble brewing here on
Speaker 2: It's been kind of going on well for the last
Speaker 2: few days here, starting the last week. Clarmont kind of
Speaker 2: Republican Dave Young's office is investigating the image of an
Speaker 2: American flag with the stripes bent to form of swastika.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the images by now that was
Speaker 2: caught an Cameron a zoom meeting in this congressional staffer's office.
Speaker 2: So next to the shutdown, this political scandal is kind
Speaker 2: of consuming Washington, not just what it's going on in
Speaker 2: Dave Young's office, but the what almost three thousand pages
Speaker 2: of eleak chats revealing that the leaders and the Young
Speaker 2: Republicans traded a bunch of pretty horrific words and statements
Speaker 2: which they thought would never make the eye of pub
Speaker 2: the light of public eye, seeing the light, so to speak.
Speaker 2: It was in chambers, and it was in a chat group,
Speaker 2: and yet we've seen stuff like this leak out before.
Speaker 2: The problem is, again, just if you're you know, don't
Speaker 2: like the GOP, you don't like Republicans, you don't like Trump,
Speaker 2: this just gives you more ammo to hate on them,
Speaker 2: and you wonder what the reaction is is this whole thing.
Speaker 2: You've got some of these GOP Young GOP chapters disbanding
Speaker 2: within hours because of this. And I know the Vice
Speaker 2: President Jade Vance brushed it off as kids being edgy,
Speaker 2: but there's some bipartisan outrage out there, and when you
Speaker 2: have bipartisanship in a divided government, that says a lot.
Speaker 2: Her name is Victoria Churchill. She's a political reporter for
Speaker 2: dailymail dot Com first broke the key details of this story.
Speaker 2: She's also writes your young voices. Victoria, welcome, how are you.
Speaker 8: Hi, good morning, Thanks so much to be thank you
Speaker 8: so much for having me. Great to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting to watch how this is breaking. Republicans
Speaker 2: across the country are confronting whether to denounce this or
Speaker 2: deflect it, and we're seeing it kind of break both
Speaker 2: ways right now, because some are going, well, this is
Speaker 2: the worst thing ever. Others are going, well, yeah, but
Speaker 2: the Democrats did this, And the problem for Republicans is
Speaker 2: it just gives more ammo to Democrats who say, well,
Speaker 2: this is what you wind up voting for. It's all
Speaker 2: white supremacy.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I just want to start off by
Speaker 8: saying the political rhetoric needs to be toned down on
Speaker 8: both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2: I think that's something.
Speaker 8: We're seeing, and you know, especially after the assassination and
Speaker 8: you know, of course, let's call it what it is,
Speaker 8: assassination of Charlie.
Speaker 2: Kirk the last month. Yeah, we need.
Speaker 8: To tone down the rhetoric. However, I do want to
Speaker 8: point out a key differences between the general factors of
Speaker 8: the picular office, so you know, the young Republicans and
Speaker 8: just to be clear for your audience. Young Republicans are
Speaker 8: between the ages of eighteen and forty, so you know,
Speaker 8: I know, Vice President of Fans tried to brush them
Speaker 8: off as college kids. These are not college kids, at
Speaker 8: least not most of them. Most of them have jobs.
Speaker 8: Some of them pull elected office, others serve as very
Speaker 8: secret positions or other elective members or you know, I
Speaker 8: guess it's before they were fired resigned. However, you want
Speaker 8: to frame that they are no longer than the position.
Speaker 8: And I think that's the very key part of this
Speaker 8: is because when we compare this as the Vice President did,
Speaker 8: which you know, I think is more or less a
Speaker 8: fair comparison. Comparing this to the j Jones tex scandal
Speaker 8: that we're dealing with in Virginia. I love in Virginia.
Speaker 8: I cover some Virginia politics. Of course. That was the
Speaker 8: Democrat candidate for attorney general. He had some text messages
Speaker 8: revealed that he, you know, wish death not only on
Speaker 8: his opponent Ben Todds, Speaker or then House Speaker Todd Gilbert,
Speaker 8: the Republican Speaker of the House in a couple of
Speaker 8: years ago in Virginia, but also on his children, which
Speaker 8: you know, to me, that's even more disgusting if you
Speaker 8: can even agree that kind of thing. But you know, again,
Speaker 8: j Jones is still running for office, and he's been
Speaker 8: backed up by senior Democrats. But I believe both of
Speaker 8: our US senators in Virginia, Kim Kaine, Mark Warner, they're
Speaker 8: really egging him on. They're saying, yeah, the text are bad,
Speaker 8: but they still want this man to hold elected office.
Speaker 8: On the Republican side, Republicans have come out and said,
Speaker 8: these people are not representative of our party, deserve a
Speaker 8: place in leadership, if the thing at all, because a
Speaker 8: lot of the times, the young Republican chasters, like I said,
Speaker 8: you know, a lot of them hold elected office or
Speaker 8: work for elected officials, but even more of them. You know,
Speaker 8: it's supposed to be kind of a talent pipeline for
Speaker 8: Republican leaders of Publican candidates all over the country. Really,
Speaker 8: and you know, I think that that's part of why
Speaker 8: the story is so big, is that you have dangerous
Speaker 8: ideologies on both sides. That of course, I'm all for
Speaker 8: free speech, right, but you know, I think in a
Speaker 8: free speech situation, this is actually better because people can speak, really,
Speaker 8: and then people can judge these individuals that say things
Speaker 8: that you know, I personally find morally reprehensible, abhorrent all
Speaker 8: those things.
Speaker 2: Right, I think, and I think, you know jd Vance
Speaker 2: is he's right about one thing he says, I refuse
Speaker 2: to join the pro clutching when powerful people call for
Speaker 2: political violence. You know, the what about ism as you
Speaker 2: mentioned in politics, that what about as it means once
Speaker 2: that always downplays what they're sick of fans do as
Speaker 2: they rail against their enemies. When they do it, you know,
Speaker 2: on the left, embracing anti Semitism for example, or Kirk's assassination,
Speaker 2: how is this any different? And so I think when
Speaker 2: that happens on both sides, as you mentioned, I think
Speaker 2: the rest of the electorate, most of us go, well,
Speaker 2: if you're not going to change it, we can't change
Speaker 2: it either. And it's just the latest insult I suppose
Speaker 2: to our sensibilities and tolerances, and we're I don't see
Speaker 2: it getting better. I just see this being more the same.
Speaker 8: Well, you know again, I think sunlight is the best disinfected.
Speaker 8: I think the only way to get what I consider
Speaker 8: to be bad ideas out is to talk about them,
Speaker 8: and is to have conversations, you know, publicized and again,
Speaker 8: views that I think should not really have grounding in
Speaker 8: our political rhetoric today. The only way to get them
Speaker 8: out is to have these conversations. Now kind of on
Speaker 8: the flip side. Actually, some of my reporting that I
Speaker 8: did on the text method scandal was that, at least
Speaker 8: by the evidence that I've seen and that my colleagues
Speaker 8: put into that story, these texts were actually coerced and so,
Speaker 8: you know, there may have been some very shady kind
Speaker 8: of back room feeling. You know, one of the individuals,
Speaker 8: he has come out with an illegal off of David
Speaker 8: which is available. You know that he was basically coerced
Speaker 8: into releasing these text messages. And you know, again I
Speaker 8: think that's the other side of it, which we should
Speaker 8: also talk about, is that doing it is one thing,
Speaker 8: which again I denounced wholeheartedly, but coercing somebody to get
Speaker 8: that information out is so in my view not Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Is one may ask, well, how did all this I mean,
Speaker 2: it's been over for a few years. Here you're talking
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand messages. Wow, months, I guess they show
Speaker 2: twenty thousand message over seven months. That's a lot of
Speaker 2: information get dumped and all of a sudden somebody turns
Speaker 2: and says, hey, we've got all this stuff. That feels
Speaker 2: like the reason why someone would say this is because
Speaker 2: either they are outed or discovered, or someone had some
Speaker 2: information since and knew this was going on and basically
Speaker 2: wanted to expose in blackmail them in a way. Is
Speaker 2: that kind of what you're talking about.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Again, that's the evidence that I've seen leads me
Speaker 8: to have that conclusion. Again, that legal Affidavid as well
Speaker 8: as you have some conversations I've had to have disease. Obviously,
Speaker 8: don't want to out anybody on there, you know, because
Speaker 8: I was able to kind of you know, conceal their
Speaker 8: identities for the purposes of the story and my reporting.
Speaker 8: But yeah, you know, it does really seem to me,
Speaker 8: like you know, of course the people that said it
Speaker 8: are are horrible in doing that. But again, I think
Speaker 8: the blackmail that led to the release of these text messages,
Speaker 8: and that you know, in our digging, we found out
Speaker 8: that actually these text messages got out in August and
Speaker 8: there was effort within the GOP to you know, stem,
Speaker 8: if not completely, kind of nullify the release of these
Speaker 8: because it seems to me, again at least based on
Speaker 8: my reporting that I've done that it was really a
Speaker 8: personally motivated attack from one individual to another. One individual
Speaker 8: described this, you know, kind of as a vendetta that
Speaker 8: the person who either directly or indirectly you lead these
Speaker 8: messages was responsible for. And you know, again that kind
Speaker 8: of raises the question of you know, who do you trust,
Speaker 8: who do you trust to go out and have conversations with,
Speaker 8: because you never know when not a person might stab
Speaker 8: you in the back and release things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: Again, of course I personally think that they should have
Speaker 8: never been said in the first place. But well, now
Speaker 8: is also pretty discossed.
Speaker 2: I think, Victoria Church, I think both things can be true.
Speaker 2: That this could be blackmail, that could be I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe a relationship gone wrong and said hey, I got
Speaker 2: the goods on you and trying to hold someone hostage.
Speaker 2: That's that's criminal as well. But also that can be
Speaker 2: true the fact that the twenty thousand messages had a
Speaker 2: lot of vile things on there when you start talking
Speaker 2: about you know, calling Generation Z Generation icon and one
Speaker 2: staff or from a i think New York State and
Speaker 2: Assembly members chief of staff got fired for saying I
Speaker 2: love Hitler and then everyone votes know on this particular
Speaker 2: bill is going to the gas chamber, and there are
Speaker 2: far worse things in there that I can't repeat. And
Speaker 2: there's some threads you look at you go, wow, that's
Speaker 2: that's pretty harsh. But out of those twenty eight thousand,
Speaker 2: I'll back up a second, because I think that Assembly member,
Speaker 2: that chief of staff and others are going, well, I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure I said that. I think it might
Speaker 2: have been doctored or altered that some of the claims
Speaker 2: going on. Is that revisionism or is there some possible
Speaker 2: basis in reality in that it sounds like we're going, No,
Speaker 2: that didn't really It sounds like my pillow guy kind
Speaker 2: of talk, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So I think the fact that he has taken responsibility
Speaker 8: for that is good. I also know that the way
Speaker 8: that those messages came out in that original political story
Speaker 8: is that, you know, I guess when you download a
Speaker 8: history of messages from telegram, they do not come out,
Speaker 8: you know, and kind of the way that they were
Speaker 8: portrayed in the story, or when you look at text messages,
Speaker 8: you know, between people, and so the actual images that
Speaker 8: we're in that political article are recreations and you know,
Speaker 8: I think they've been pretty forward about that. And you know,
Speaker 8: even an information that's come back since then, allegedly a
Speaker 8: text message leaks between the reporter that was working on
Speaker 8: this story and the individual you know again who I
Speaker 8: believe is responsible for getting this information out. You know,
Speaker 8: like I said, whether directly or indirectly, those actual images
Speaker 8: are recreations, and so I don't know it's out of
Speaker 8: twenty thousand messages if they are direct.
Speaker 3: Recreations, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's probably parsing a little bit, going, well,
Speaker 2: these aren't the actual well, of course not, because the
Speaker 2: graphics have to look better, and it's also being condensed
Speaker 2: for the reader. I mean, you read through twenty eight
Speaker 2: thousand messages. I'm not sure of all of them rose
Speaker 2: to the level of what we're talking about here. Probably
Speaker 2: most of it was pretty boring stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And again you know, recreating text messages, it's
Speaker 8: the context of sital journalism is not in itself nefarious,
Speaker 8: like we've you know, actually on this geos Tex scandal,
Speaker 8: we did a follow up story that was told to
Speaker 8: me by a grassroots group at activin Virginia. They had
Speaker 8: been out get out the vote. Text message is about
Speaker 8: the Jjo's tex scandal to what they identified as a
Speaker 8: universe of soft Democrat voters, and they got death threats
Speaker 8: to the Republicans back to those Jajones text messages, and
Speaker 8: we did a story recreitting those responses that they got,
Speaker 8: so again kind of in itself out as the area
Speaker 8: and you know, yeah, yeah, we've recreated text messages. They've
Speaker 8: recreated text messages. It's just that nasty text messages.
Speaker 2: It's all.
Speaker 8: It's all, you know, there's definitely a lot of thinking
Speaker 8: to be done a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you're highlighting the juicy parts of the novel,
Speaker 2: is what you're doing here. You're not you're trying to
Speaker 2: manipulate it or anything like that. You're just trying to
Speaker 2: cut to the chase, give me the story. Not all
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand were bad, but certainly enough of them
Speaker 2: none to make this into a story. Do you think
Speaker 2: that the shutdown helps or hurts that the focus the
Speaker 2: narrative this? I mean, because the shutdown is such a story,
Speaker 2: does this overshadow what you're reporting here? Or is it
Speaker 2: the other way around? Because nothing's happening DC that people
Speaker 2: are paying attention.
Speaker 8: To this well, I will say from my personal bandwidth
Speaker 8: as a reporter that is typically on Capitol Hill, I've
Speaker 8: been report on this because I'm not covering day to
Speaker 8: day goings on on Capitol Hill. So you know, for
Speaker 8: me personally, I've been able to shift my attention to
Speaker 8: covering this. I think it is, you know, equally as
Speaker 8: important because you know, one is the now of our politics.
Speaker 8: One is the future of our politics or the US
Speaker 8: in Virginia. You know, ballants that are being cast for
Speaker 8: these candidates right now, and again see of these individuals
Speaker 8: that were involved in the Younger lookin Tech scandal, they
Speaker 8: also are people that serve in positions that are politically important,
Speaker 8: whether that's in their home states in New York or
Speaker 8: their places around the country. So, you know, in terms
Speaker 8: of national media attention, I'm not sure if they would
Speaker 8: have gotten that much, but in terms of importance, and
Speaker 8: you know, kind of my background before I became reporter,
Speaker 8: I actually worked in grass roots and so I've personally
Speaker 8: always been of the mindset that what happens in grassroots
Speaker 8: is very important for the future of our nation, for
Speaker 8: the future of our country, and for the future of
Speaker 8: both political parties, and so in my reporting, I actually
Speaker 8: have a tendency to share those grassroots stories and not
Speaker 8: many other reporters, particularly in DC, and you even actually
Speaker 8: think is worth paying attention to. Sure And you know, again,
Speaker 8: just just another quick note on that. Actually this political
Speaker 8: story was done by two reporters out of New York.
Speaker 8: So that's another insting fidbit that I kind of found,
Speaker 8: is that, you know, it also concerns a lot of
Speaker 8: things in DC nationally. But the reporter that kind of
Speaker 8: interacted with this individual, who you know again I believe
Speaker 8: is the alleged leaker, They are a New York political reporter.
Speaker 8: And then the secondary reporter that was on that story
Speaker 8: is the head of all of politicals covering port in
Speaker 8: Euroa gotch out. You know again, I think those reporters
Speaker 8: may have, you know, because they're not necessarily DP reporters,
Speaker 8: that story would have probably still come out, is at
Speaker 8: least my view.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Victoria Churchill political report for Daily Mail. They broke
Speaker 2: key details of the story. She also is a Young
Speaker 2: Voice contributor. During the show this morning about the text
Speaker 2: message scandal, Chris's conspective Claremont County Republican Dave Young's office
Speaker 2: where there's a swastika, an American flag with a stripture
Speaker 2: bet to form of swastka behind this end. The vigil
Speaker 2: caught on camera and that's in a staffer's office and
Speaker 2: he said, well, we're gonna investigate this and find out
Speaker 2: what's really going on, which tells me this is more.
Speaker 2: Let let's see which way the wind blows politically speaking,
Speaker 2: because that's how politics works. Victoria, looking forward, do you
Speaker 2: think the scandal is going to lead to change? And
Speaker 2: how maybe not the GOEP, but the Dems too, because
Speaker 2: it's not like there their poop doesn't stink in this either,
Speaker 2: not with this case, but on others is this Are
Speaker 2: we just going to get more of the same. I
Speaker 2: don't really feel like people are outraged over this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, that's a good question. I started off
Speaker 8: the segment talking about how the rhetoric needs to be
Speaker 8: turned down on both sides. Well people actually do that,
Speaker 8: you know. I think that's a big question that remains
Speaker 8: to be seen. And you know, for me as a reporter,
Speaker 8: I'm very interested in reporting on the feature of this
Speaker 8: because again, a lot of these this runtors that I've seen,
Speaker 8: you know, again, even particulately about Jay Jones and not
Speaker 8: condemning him. I think as outwardly as some Democrats could
Speaker 8: have been should have been my personal view. I think
Speaker 8: to me that means that they learn nothing from the
Speaker 8: Charlie right, yeah, or the you.
Speaker 2: Know, anti Semitism with what's happening in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and it's just you know that this is the latest scandal.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow maybe another Republican or or it might be a
Speaker 2: Democrat that's caught up in something, and you know, saying
Speaker 2: this is part of the edge lord culture. I understand that,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if these people really believe that are
Speaker 2: just doing it to be edgy and a chat group.
Speaker 2: But again, you've got to be smarter than putting your
Speaker 2: words down and telegram or whatever the the app of
Speaker 2: the platform is, because if somebody sees that a later date,
Speaker 2: well you're going to have what's going on right here, Victoria,
Speaker 2: all the best. Thanks for joining the show. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, hop Yeah, the conversations you had were in
Speaker 2: defense when I understand that there's well it's online. You know,
Speaker 2: people are hiding by the keyboard. They never expected these
Speaker 2: things to But I'm sorry if you're calling yourself a
Speaker 2: future leader of America party being that stupid that and
Speaker 2: putting those words down. Even if you are j k
Speaker 2: they're going to turn that around and running out of
Speaker 2: town as well. They should. It's more of the stupidity
Speaker 2: is what it is, than anything, and also just the
Speaker 2: the nature of the conversations themselves are not only cringey,
Speaker 2: but extremely extremely wrong. For that matter, for anyone who
Speaker 2: professes their love of country, I want to lead this nation,
Speaker 2: even if they were just kidding. You're less than five
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Speaker 7: I mean, do you have the Flacco fever?
Speaker 2: Because we optimistic, it takes a while for the fever
Speaker 2: to catch on. Let's let's get a track the fever.
Speaker 7: I got the fever one win and I'm in.
Speaker 2: All right, you got the fever for the flavor of
Speaker 2: a crowd pleaser. I get it now. On that regard,
Speaker 2: I know you can drop beats like that.
Speaker 7: He's been out and about. People have been running into him.
Speaker 9: Okay, grabbing coffee at her foods, he said, selfie.
Speaker 2: I love the fact that they got the Jets this week.
Speaker 7: I love that the worst team in the league.
Speaker 2: Oh and seven careful because they were close a few times.
Speaker 2: And and I will say this, I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: the Jets. Seven. Teams are a little desperate. It's awfully
Speaker 2: tough to go winless in the National Football League.
Speaker 9: And they are desperate enough to take out their quarterback
Speaker 9: Justin Fields.
Speaker 7: Yes, looks like we're gonna be getting Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 2: Ty Tyrod Taylor is still alive. Breaking news.
Speaker 9: He is Tyro Sale and another older gentleman bowl Icy Hunt.
Speaker 2: He was terrible with the Bills. That was years ago.
Speaker 7: And well he's just a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 7: So hold on a second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fifty.
Speaker 7: Oh stop, that's you Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 9: The Jets are expected to start him this weekend because
Speaker 9: Jets owner Woody Johnson said, Hey, offense and clicking, it
Speaker 9: takes seven games to figure it out.
Speaker 2: So get a guy older than Joe Flacco. This is
Speaker 2: two weeks in a row he's played someone older.
Speaker 7: Joe's like, bring him on.
Speaker 2: Incredible.
Speaker 9: Has Joe Flacco gone up against Tyrod Taylor before?
Speaker 7: Has he played with them?
Speaker 2: Had to?
Speaker 9: Joe's been on so many teams that I'm assuming that
Speaker 9: he's probably played with and played against him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm just gonna say, yes, it's happened.
Speaker 2: And he'll get and he'll look like Tyrod Taylor is
Speaker 2: the reason why he's not the reason why he's tied
Speaker 2: back up. It's like, Okay, I'll do this next week.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fitzy, but.
Speaker 7: Hey, desperate times.
Speaker 9: Speaking of Joe Flacco, was on the Fits in Wit podcast.
Speaker 7: Okay and Joe goes.
Speaker 9: I know I'm forty years old, but the first couple
Speaker 9: of times I threw to Jamar and T I was.
Speaker 7: A little nervous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 9: I guess Joe was a little a little intimidated by
Speaker 9: the best receivers in the league.
Speaker 2: It's amazing what you can do when you have tools, right.
Speaker 9: It's amazing when you've got those weapons out there and
Speaker 9: you can actually get.
Speaker 7: The ball to them.
Speaker 2: Come out. And again, I don't want to throw shade.
Speaker 2: It's what he did last week was fantastic.
Speaker 7: They looked great, right, it was almost a flawless for months.
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it going. Let's see, you got the Jets.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good gold be careful because and
Speaker 2: then he got the Bear trap a couple of trap games.
Speaker 2: You just gotta win each week now.
Speaker 9: And then you got the Bears again here at Pegor Stadium.
Speaker 7: But hey, the Bears are not bad.
Speaker 2: Down with Joe Flacco, that's the guy we need, right
Speaker 2: the flo fever a fever. But I after let's see
Speaker 2: two three games, let's see what's going on here.
Speaker 9: When win this weekend, beat the Bears, be and then
Speaker 9: you got your bye week, and then you're.
Speaker 7: On the road at this slit.
Speaker 2: All your divisions split the Vision opponents right, maybe they
Speaker 2: lose to Pittsburgh, Okay, fine, Baltimore cleve Okay.
Speaker 9: He got two with Baltimore, right, And Lamar Jackson is
Speaker 9: coming back this weekend after his injury.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But again, that puts you in good shape.
Speaker 2: You gotta get the nine wins. I think they're like,
Speaker 2: I agree, there nine ten wins you're in.
Speaker 9: Don't count about and I don't think you can count
Speaker 9: the Ravens out yet either.
Speaker 7: Still plenty of football.
Speaker 2: You'll look at Casey coming back from the dead, right,
Speaker 2: anyone can come back, anyone can come back, anyone.
Speaker 7: I'm glad that Tony Pike is back.
Speaker 2: Tony Pike is back, and graduate welcome back, Tony.
Speaker 7: It really is you just never know what's going to
Speaker 7: happen around here.
Speaker 2: If you have no idea, people come, people go, they
Speaker 2: come back. No one knows what's going on here. It's
Speaker 2: like aftabs run on this place.
Speaker 7: It's so accurate. Speaking of coming back.
Speaker 9: Aside from Tony Bike, we're gonna find out today at
Speaker 9: practice if Trey Hundrickson will be joining the team on Sunday.
Speaker 9: We know he was out last Thursday dealing with the
Speaker 9: bad back hip thing. So Zach Taylor during his press
Speaker 9: conference the other day said he's day to day. I'll
Speaker 9: let you know on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Too much pressure on Shamara to hold that whole thing
Speaker 2: together because he's hadn't played.
Speaker 9: But yeah, he went out Week two and then he
Speaker 9: was there against the Steelers injury. You saw Logan Wilson
Speaker 9: come back out for a little bit. What do you
Speaker 9: think about that drama? We talked a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Logan Wi.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if all the guys that you're going
Speaker 2: to bench, I don't know why Logan Wilson make an
Speaker 2: example of him. I he's one of your captains. I
Speaker 2: guess is happy.
Speaker 7: Zach wasn't happy with what he was saying.
Speaker 2: And there's other guys I look at.
Speaker 9: Going Then he put the rookie out there CTB.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about CTB?
Speaker 9: Speaking of coming back, Joe Burrow, remember that guy?
Speaker 2: Huh who?
Speaker 7: Yeah, just another Joe.
Speaker 9: According to Ian Rappaport, he's saying Joe could come back
Speaker 9: from that turf toe injury in the last few weeks
Speaker 9: of that season.
Speaker 7: This is just what.
Speaker 9: I know, because getting everyone's hopes up, and I think
Speaker 9: that there were people thinking like, all right, I know
Speaker 9: that he is expected to be back mid December, but
Speaker 9: what are the exact details with this stuff? So it
Speaker 9: could be uh December twenty first when they go to
Speaker 9: Miami to face the dolphin.
Speaker 2: I just think he's at soft myself. I mean I
Speaker 2: went and had, you know, walking around that Joe Burrows
Speaker 2: soft peer a peer a paranal tendon tear, and I
Speaker 2: just had my I just got my boot off yesterday,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And I'm not walking around doing nic stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a line.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't have an O line around you.
Speaker 2: You fall to the ground, standing on ladders, plumbing, electrical painting,
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I'm out there getting it done. Not
Speaker 2: all heroes older than Joe. So I'm just not saying.
Speaker 9: I'm just saying it is funny to me that the
Speaker 9: younger guys are the ones on the sidelines right.
Speaker 2: Now to.
Speaker 7: Completely with toes and what your tendon thing.
Speaker 9: And then you got the old guys out there playing
Speaker 9: again exactly.
Speaker 2: Old guys are tougher Tyron and Joe. It's like old refrigerators.
Speaker 2: They don't make them like they used to. They break
Speaker 2: too often. Oh my goodness, Joe Flacco is a frigid
Speaker 2: air from the fifties.
Speaker 7: I like Joe Flacco, and I think he's telling me
Speaker 7: he leans into.
Speaker 9: The older guy thing, which again I'm only a few
Speaker 9: years younger than just talking about it.
Speaker 2: He's a little frigid. Frigid or refrigerators what it is?
Speaker 2: Not the cheap new ones where they break every three.
Speaker 7: No, it's the kind that you see in someone's garage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the rounded front on it.
Speaker 9: And it's been there since literally the sixties. Yeah, and
Speaker 9: it's got like the bangel bites in there and the window.
Speaker 7: Keep that thing.
Speaker 2: But the thing is a tank. It's never gone, but.
Speaker 9: It'll never die. It'll never die, and you can always
Speaker 9: rely on it. And just when you think it's gonna die,
Speaker 9: it comes back and everything's perfect.
Speaker 2: Well, like seventy eight Buicks versus The's Teslas.
Speaker 9: Aside from all of that, did you know that Michael
Speaker 9: Jordan grew up as a Bengals fan?
Speaker 2: The Goat Michael Jordan, Michael.
Speaker 9: Jordan, Chris Collins word was on the Up and Adams
Speaker 9: podcast with our girl Kay Adams and it was brought
Speaker 9: up that he was at an event. I guess Chris
Speaker 9: was on an event with Michael Jordan and he was
Speaker 9: talking about he goes, yeah, grew up as a Bengals fan.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure if he's still cheered on the Bengals
Speaker 9: in my in my head, I'm going to say, yeah,
Speaker 9: Michael Jordan is cheering on Joe Flacco and the Bengals
Speaker 9: every sun.
Speaker 2: I guess he would have came up with the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl USh Bengals, so maybe he got on the bandwagon.
Speaker 2: Really are a really good team at that playing Carolina.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just wow, I don't know how you
Speaker 2: get to be a Bengal fan.
Speaker 9: Maybe a Bengals bandwagon because he was in Carolina, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: I was like, Okay, this is what Chris Collinsworth told
Speaker 9: Kay Adams the other day and it was trending on
Speaker 9: social media.
Speaker 7: So I am bringing that teasally.
Speaker 2: Like Taylor Swift with Casey, is he come at all
Speaker 2: the games? I don't receive Michael Jordan instincy.
Speaker 9: You don't see Taylor Swift on the telecasts anymore.
Speaker 7: Notice how they haven't shown her.
Speaker 5: She's kind of busy, isn't she she's still at his
Speaker 5: games though, all right, but she said she wants to
Speaker 5: be hidden.
Speaker 9: So now when she walks in, they've got these walls
Speaker 9: that they post up for and she walks behind them
Speaker 9: and nobody can see her, and they no longer show
Speaker 9: her on the broadcast.
Speaker 2: The whole thing. Okay, it is a whole thing. Imagine
Speaker 2: Juice is like a CBS Nixney, No go, don't chooke
Speaker 2: Taylor and.
Speaker 7: The Chiefs are starting to chief again. I knew they would.
Speaker 2: You'll see her back again.
Speaker 7: Didn't count anybody out at this point.
Speaker 2: What else you got there, snorty.
Speaker 9: We've got soccer play offs here right around the corner
Speaker 9: on Monday night. It's going to be the Columbus Crew
Speaker 9: versus FC Cincinnati six forty five kick for that one.
Speaker 7: So they'll do a best of three.
Speaker 9: They'll play Wednesday, and then FCC will go to Columbus
Speaker 9: to play the Crew, and then if they need a
Speaker 9: game three, they'll.
Speaker 2: Come back back here. And since yeah, so FCC.
Speaker 9: Had more points than the Crew and that's why they'll
Speaker 9: start here, all rightfully, they can just go to and
Speaker 9: O and get to the next round.
Speaker 2: That was my question as a fan girl, would you
Speaker 2: rather see them go win here, lose there.
Speaker 7: No, just get it done. I hate it.
Speaker 9: It's like, let's not wait till the very last game.
Speaker 9: We see that happen way too often with our Cincinnati teams.
Speaker 9: Ready tie, a little time to rest up to exactly exactly,
Speaker 9: I believe they can go all the way.
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 9: I always believe the exactly I want to believe that
Speaker 9: with our Reds FCC Bengals.
Speaker 7: I mean, okay, can't count anybody out.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I said, we got our Cincinnati Cyclones back
Speaker 9: on home ice.
Speaker 7: That's on Friday night.
Speaker 9: It's Peanuts, so they're going to be wearing the specialty jerseys.
Speaker 2: They're mister Peanut with a monocle with peut moncle on
Speaker 2: the top, had.
Speaker 7: The Snoopy Peanuts Peanut. It's five to one, three nights.
Speaker 9: They've got five dollars Seltzers, craft Beers, one dollar popcorns,
Speaker 9: three dollars burgers, all kinds of good stuff going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's promotion seasons what it is.
Speaker 9: And I do want to promote my new show. I
Speaker 9: have my own time podcast. I know I've got my
Speaker 9: own time.
Speaker 2: What do you think you are? Adams? No, Wednesday. Adams,
Speaker 2: which what Adams? Are you? President Adams?
Speaker 7: Unfortunately none of the above.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got my own time slot on EBA now
Speaker 9: ten am to three pm every single Sunday. So I'll
Speaker 9: be cut short this weekend because of the Bengals. Don't
Speaker 9: we carry all of those? But y'all take your right
Speaker 9: into kickoff now?
Speaker 2: Actually live? Are you on tape?
Speaker 5: It is live because you know how we don't like
Speaker 5: to record things. We don't record anything killed if you do. Oh,
Speaker 5: and we're going to recognize lap at the game this weekend. Sure,
Speaker 5: we cannot forget about that. It's the Ring of Honor
Speaker 5: game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think about the cyclones about Sorry, I'm all
Speaker 2: over the place, steal.
Speaker 7: I've had to Alanis.
Speaker 9: Today to coffees y Ring of Honor, Ring of Honor
Speaker 9: game on Sunday. Do not forget about that.
Speaker 2: Deserves it for sure. I thought you I thought he
Speaker 2: should have been in the first class question. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: between fifty years right Fronfield and being the voice of
Speaker 2: the bank. Mister Bengal is like that's the franchise, right, yeah.
Speaker 7: Ten years playing forty years on a mic.
Speaker 2: He's like, knucks all the knucks all of the Bengals is.
Speaker 9: He's truly incredible, So he deserves all of the recognition.
Speaker 7: You're going to be there and make sure to show
Speaker 7: him a lot of love.
Speaker 9: I think you should now still go from the booth
Speaker 9: to the field and then back up to the booth
Speaker 9: with Dan.
Speaker 2: When he and I guess they speak a little bit
Speaker 2: and say, you know, so when he's speaking, I guess
Speaker 2: they're going to bring Dan Horde to talk over the
Speaker 2: top of him.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, I knew you were going to put
Speaker 9: some joke in there.
Speaker 7: You're just so joky today.
Speaker 2: What about yourself? I love laugh thought he's awesome.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 9: So there's a lot going on over the next few
Speaker 9: days here in Cincinnati. So just be safe and behave
Speaker 9: like Teresa Thigisa.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, behave, be safe now. I noticed the new the
Speaker 2: season's clones jerseys there. Actually they have kavlarn them in
Speaker 2: case you're down on Fountain Square. You never know.
Speaker 5: Just behave.
Speaker 2: She's Sarah Elise, it's the Snort Report. She's exhausted. I
Speaker 2: am all the women around me just exhausted. I'm just
Speaker 2: tired of you.
Speaker 7: What's the denomination here?
Speaker 2: You just exhaust me, all right, appreciate you. Thanks again.
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