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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: He's got flown back on seven hundred, Well, would just

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Speaker 2: jump right back into it. Man over the fence, over

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Speaker 2: the wall, as they say. City council members are pretty

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Speaker 2: tight lipped about taking sides regarding the city manager's decision

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Speaker 2: AKA after Perevol's decision a place chiefs Thiji on leave.

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Speaker 2: We heard from Ken Kober immediately following yesterday's press conference

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Speaker 2: with Steve im at the Finny Law fram who is

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Speaker 2: representing Chief Thiji in this whole situation. He came on

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Speaker 2: my show live on seven hundred Wow, and his immediate

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Speaker 2: reaction to this thing was like, listen, there's many in

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Speaker 2: the rank and file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but

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Speaker 2: guess what we all are now because what happened to her,

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Speaker 2: that she's being railroaded out of her job and being

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Speaker 2: called this this is nothing but politics, and she's a

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Speaker 2: political scapegoat, and finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary

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Speaker 2: of or hire as a new cop and now the

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Speaker 2: chief of Cincinnati, the first woman to do that long

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Speaker 2: history of service for her family, as an insult to

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Speaker 2: the badge and salt to the whole process and what's

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Speaker 2: interesting about this after the followed very very few. And that's,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I may say, not serving all of them,

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Speaker 2: but the only one to voice an opinion on counsel

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Speaker 2: and this whole thing joins me now and that is

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Speaker 2: Seth Wall Seth, good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm

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Speaker 2: also probably doing better than you right now. I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine what you woke up this morning and went in

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Speaker 2: The first thing you probably thought of is is this

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Speaker 2: dumpster fire?

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Speaker 3: It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and

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Speaker 3: hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott,

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Speaker 3: and not the best week that we've had in Entity council.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is Terry Thiji the problem?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the problem with that question, Scott

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Speaker 3: is how do we know that they're not telling you anything,

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Speaker 3: They're not telling me anything. None of us know why

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us.

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Speaker 2: But in people, so wow, this is you know, it's

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Speaker 2: share a long because the way it works is the chiefs,

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Speaker 2: the chiefs administrators, they all report to city manager share along.

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Speaker 2: So this is Cheryl's but again she's just the executioner, right,

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Speaker 2: This is the mayor. This is af tad pirrival. This

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Speaker 2: isn't Sheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing

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Speaker 2: what she I don't know what she is commanded to do,

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Speaker 2: I suppose, or I don't know. Is Cherylong run the

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Speaker 2: whole thing? Either way, it's a horrible look for the mayor,

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Speaker 2: especially with an election coming up in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a bad look for the city

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Speaker 3: as a whole. You know, from everything that I've been told,

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Speaker 3: which is pretty much what you see in the media.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this seems to be a decision made by

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Speaker 3: of questions about the fact that the police chief, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, is a very important decision,

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Speaker 3: especially when we are trying to get crime under control

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Speaker 3: very very important decision to change the police chief, no

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Speaker 3: matter when you're changing the police chief, but to change

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Speaker 3: it in such a chaotic tactic fashion with no clear plan,

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Speaker 3: That is a massive problem, and it is I think

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Speaker 3: it's I think Ken was spot on. I imagine this

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Speaker 3: you know, even if it's not a situation of a scapegoat,

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Speaker 3: it sure feels that way. And it's a situation that

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Speaker 3: our plan for because the most important thing is public safety,

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Speaker 3: not personality conflict.

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Speaker 2: Since Walshaw, immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam,

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Speaker 2: who did a great job, by the way, I spoke

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Speaker 2: to Ken Cobra, President the FFP live on the show,

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Speaker 2: and that was one of the questions I had to him.

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Speaker 2: It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a

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Speaker 2: We've got have lateral recruiting class We're going to pull

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Speaker 2: I'm maybe considering making the move over to Cincinnati go

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Speaker 2: a whole On second, look, they look how dirty they

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Speaker 2: just did the chief, and that's a chief. I'm nobody.

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Speaker 2: What chance do I have? So did we just shoot

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Speaker 3: Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes,

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Speaker 3: when we're talking about our law enforcement members, not only

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Speaker 3: to hire, but is that plan even heading forward the

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Speaker 3: five and a half five point four million dollars we

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Speaker 3: Because it was moving forward under the last police chief

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Speaker 3: who's currently on administrative lease. It's not That's what That's

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Speaker 3: my frustration where I'm most upset right now is we

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Speaker 3: other than this hectic process that we've all watched play

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Speaker 3: out of the media. We've named an interim police chief

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Speaker 3: who by all accounts is an amazing individual and going

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Speaker 3: But let's just change. So how can you and I

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Speaker 3: what's happening. I don't know, and that is not an

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Speaker 3: And it's not an accept able answer for the city

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I understand, I don't know any but

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Speaker 2: I understand from the rank and file many they respect him.

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Speaker 2: They love the guy. I mean, he's the guy that

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Speaker 2: I'll be the one that puts my name to this,

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Speaker 2: this thing that got that ball rolling. And that was

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Speaker 2: all the behest of the mayor's office. So that's greasy

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Speaker 2: and dirty as well, because that is a potential civil

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Speaker 2: rights violation, which you know, again, when you're fighting to

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Speaker 2: keep your nose above water like Afta puribals and keep

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Speaker 2: his political career going, that seems like a pretty big

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Speaker 2: misstep to me. You open yourself up for a civil

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Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which

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Speaker 3: This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And

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Speaker 3: everything that I've heard behind the scenes, which again it's

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Speaker 3: not much more than what you've heard, does not sound

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Speaker 3: It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of

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Speaker 3: conversations transpiring behind the scenes which led to comments last week,

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Speaker 3: But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, well, there was a political component to this, There's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that that's one of the

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Speaker 3: And I've asked that question. I don't have a satisfactory

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's chaos, and it seems like chaos reigned

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Speaker 3: And I don't understand why people are so gun try

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Speaker 3: the media is like, that's the kiss of death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you.

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Speaker 2: We're good at reducing force around here, so we know this,

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Speaker 2: but I don't heard when somebody get called back from

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Speaker 2: get back here right away because you've got a we've

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Speaker 2: got a violence emergency. Well, you know, the emergency would

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Speaker 2: have happened immediately. What happened to Mountain Square, this was,

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Speaker 2: this was after that. There's nothing newsworthy going on, and

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Speaker 2: any sense. And I brought up A. Henny's name earlier,

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Speaker 2: But I guess the question is, wasn't that Terry the

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Speaker 2: We don't know why Terry Thigi got fired in the

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Speaker 2: first place. There's no reason around this. And technically she's

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Speaker 2: level of confusion. What are you getting with Henny that

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Speaker 2: you didn't have with Thiji. Nobody knows.

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Speaker 3: Right, And you know, again, a hard number one priority

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Speaker 3: has to be public safety. So you know, I I

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, things I've

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Speaker 2: It's a very.

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Speaker 3: Difficult question for me to answer it now because I

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Speaker 3: This is one way to do it. Let's make it

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Speaker 2: All right, voters most likely will choose AFTAB over Corey Bowman.

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Speaker 3: Like anybody running for any office should be scared when

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Speaker 2: I can't say all Seth Walsh. I can't say all

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's not I don't understand. It seems

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Speaker 2: That's how the system works up. I mean, I got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead by sample,

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, I know you got to get going, Seth.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hopefully you can brave through this. Council member,

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Speaker 2: Seth Wals should appreciate your vote. I'm sure very thoughtful

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Speaker 2: All the best, my friend, do will.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Scott, take care.

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Speaker 2: You know, we just had the No King's protest down people.

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Speaker 2: aftab puer Vault. Scott's Loan Show seven hundred ww Solony

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Speaker 2: Corey Bowman seems like a good guy. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: know what, I don't have to I don't have to

431
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Speaker 2: play this out. I can do whatever I want, which

432
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Speaker 2: is part of a bigger problem. And I kind of

433
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 2: brought it up at the end of talking to Seth

434
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Speaker 2: Walsh there and I was thinking about it, turning the

435
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Speaker 2: break and go. This past weekend we had the No

436
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Speaker 2: Kings rallies right that the nationwide protests against President Trump.

437
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Speaker 2: Not one person who voted for Trump would be a

438
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Speaker 2: No Kings rally. Right, So the protesters, what were their grievances, Well,

439
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 2: there are a lot of individual grievances out there, and

440
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 2: anytime you have one of these tantrums, and that's what

441
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: it was, a tantrum. It's a bunch of people with

442
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 2: hold a wide difference of what it is there to

443
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Speaker 2: bitch about. But the commonality is the president of the

444
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 2: United States and the protesters were concerned about what many

445
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: things the direction of the country that were descending into fascism.

446
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 2: That there's just nothing but chaos with this president. I'd

447
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 2: agree with that, there's a lot of chaos going on.

448
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: That this is a guy that makes rash decisions. There's

449
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 2: no accountability, there's no context. Okay, you protested Trump et cetera.

450
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Speaker 2: Point this weekend for the No Kings rally. How is

451
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Speaker 2: this different than what's happening at city Hall? Because one guy,

452
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Speaker 2: and you could say, sure, a long now aftad pure

453
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Speaker 2: of all is holding the city hostage in a sense

454
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Speaker 2: with the stupid ways handled crime. There's platitudes and there's measures,

455
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: there are too little, too late. Trump doesn't answer to anyone.

456
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 2: And if you love Trump, you love that about him.

457
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: But if you don't, you hate that. It's like he

458
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 2: won't listen to He only listens himself. Okay, so who's

459
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Speaker 2: aftablist answering to counsel? No. We just had Seth Walshawn

460
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: and he said, no one knows what's going on. We

461
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: know that Trump isn't afraid of the camera or the

462
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: reporter of the question. He goes to them. Hell, he

463
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: puts all the stuff out. I'm social. When Patrick Carringer

464
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Speaker 2: was killed in his own home two days later, he

465
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Speaker 2: didn't post about that. He posted about a ribbon cutting

466
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Speaker 2: that he was a part of and literally steps away from.

467
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: When this man was murdered his own home, not a word.

468
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Speaker 2: We had the since he beat down in late July,

469
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Speaker 2: what did he do? Left for vacation the day after

470
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Speaker 2: it went down. It's going viral. You know it's going

471
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Speaker 2: to be bad. And he fled to Canada. Ah, okay, Well,

472
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, if you're against chaos and no accountability and

473
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Speaker 2: no context and doing order, the hell you want to

474
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Speaker 2: not answering to anyone and destroyt I'm sorry, isn't it

475
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Speaker 2: what aftabt puervol is doing right now? One of the

476
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: criticisms is, you know Trump is he has his investigations

477
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Speaker 2: and the law enforcement are now politically compromise of Justice

478
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Speaker 2: department is not anymore. It's about it's about retribution and

479
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Speaker 2: taking care of you on. Okay, Well, the guy who's

480
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Speaker 2: just been named innor in chief knowingly wrote a citation

481
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Speaker 2: to cause the arrest of the white guy who was

482
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Speaker 2: the victim in the brawl. Not the responding cops, Not

483
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Speaker 2: the cops who showed up because they said, well, you know,

484
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Speaker 2: we think you're the victim of a crime, but the

485
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Speaker 2: lieutenant colonel. And it was a full month later, after

486
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Speaker 2: the reverence demanded and after the press conference, the charges

487
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Speaker 2: are filed and then sealed. What what This is not

488
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Speaker 2: a criminal charge. It's a political charge. And it's all

489
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Speaker 2: under sheer Long, who is essentially the pit bull for

490
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Speaker 2: after puer vol the same guy who was forced by

491
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Speaker 2: the order of his boss's any manager named it her

492
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Speaker 2: in chief is a reward for being loyal. I may

493
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Speaker 2: be wrong about that, and this is I don't think

494
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Speaker 2: it's indictment of Henny, because I understand it's great guy.

495
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Speaker 2: He's loved by the cops, and you know, I get it.

496
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Speaker 2: You're going to do what you're told if you're the

497
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Speaker 2: piper you call the tune, and Henny is not the piper.

498
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Speaker 2: He's way down the food chain. And he didn't want

499
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Speaker 2: his officers to have be forced politically by the mayor's

500
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Speaker 2: office to do that, so he said, I'll do it

501
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Speaker 2: for you. That that's leadership in a in a very

502
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Speaker 2: and that's leadership in a vacuum, is what that is.

503
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Speaker 2: So this is an attack on Henny. This is an attack

504
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Speaker 2: on what happened we hear about. Oh my god, look

505
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: at look at all the benefactors to Trump and the

506
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: people that are as you know, the people that support

507
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: him and give him money, and his benefactors that elon

508
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: musks and the butt kissing him. Okay, unelected appoint he's

509
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: have too much power. And this is a much smaller

510
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Speaker 2: scale because of the city of Cincinnati. But what Tyris Rawley,

511
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Speaker 2: she's she's interfering with cops who are awfully enforcement a

512
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Speaker 2: law by arresting individuals without standing warrant. What you're supposed

513
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Speaker 2: to do in your cop and she's telling the person

514
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Speaker 2: you have rights to resist. This is a woman they

515
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: pay over one hundred thousand dollars to who. By the way,

516
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: three years ago, when Terry Thigi got the job. The candidates,

517
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Speaker 2: including Terry, were interviewed by Iris Rawley. They had to

518
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Speaker 2: pass the Iris Rowley test. What authority does she have?

519
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: Two few and two infrequent state troopers, which they begutually

520
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: went along with, but just enough to make it, Hey,

521
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Speaker 2: we're cooperating with the state. You really aren't. They're coming

522
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Speaker 2: in for like one, like one day a week or

523
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Speaker 2: two days a week, something stupid like that. The state

524
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Speaker 2: troopers had to be lectured by her. And if you

525
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Speaker 2: talk about cronyism, Roy's son was hired to talk to

526
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Speaker 2: young people at Fountain Square as a criminal pass and

527
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Speaker 2: I guess it's maybe to get them on the right path.

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Speaker 2: He's got a part time gig through his mom, paying

529
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Speaker 2: sixty I think, what is it, almost sixty thousand dollars

530
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Speaker 2: a year. Fifty thousand dollars a year. Sixty dollars an

531
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Speaker 2: hour basically is what it is. What to talk to

532
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: people to Fountain Square. You're getting fifty sixty bucks an hour.

533
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: Who the hell doesn't want that gig? And why does

534
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Speaker 2: he have that job because of his experien No, because

535
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: his mom is connected the AFTM. So for all the

536
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Speaker 2: folks who are down on the Riverfront this weekend with

537
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: a No King's rally and all the stuff that you're against,

538
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of there's a lot of things.

539
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: I get it with this president that people don't like.

540
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: I understand it. Some of it I agree with myself.

541
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Speaker 2: But for me, who the problem is politics, it's not

542
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: the politician, it's the party, it's the process. You know,

543
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Speaker 2: it's kind of funny watching folks out there who are

544
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 2: deep deep blue, angry at deep deep red, and they

545
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: don't see that the deep deep problem is the same thing.

546
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of characteristics I just laid out and

547
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: probably many more that you can check the box for

548
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but you can also check that box or

549
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: after to have puerful other stuff going on. Speaking of which,

550
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Speaker 2: speaking of the presidential l this is one to me

551
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: that I look at and I don't know. We're just

552
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: people are just so angry at one side or the

553
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: other that they just they can't see even when it's

554
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: something is I don't know, minor as remodeling the White House.

555
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: They're gonna make a big deal out of it. So

556
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Speaker 2: the Australian Prime ministers and I guess someone bumped into

557
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: a four hundred year old mirr and Trump kind of

558
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: lost his mind a little bit, which is kind of funny,

559
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: but pointed out that he's worried about it about one

560
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: mirror while the demolition crews at the same time are ripping,

561
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: are destroying the east wing, and why are they destroying

562
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: the east wing? They make room for this gaudy ballroom.

563
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: Hold on just a second, y'all. The White House came

564
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Speaker 2: to be the White House in seventeen ninety two. That's

565
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty three years. So let's just review

566
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: a second. Okay, has that building changed you think substantially

567
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: in the last two hundred and thirty plus years. Chester Arthur,

568
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Speaker 2: Chester A Arthur, and the A stands well. I don't

569
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: know what the A stands were, but it stands for something.

570
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Speaker 2: Chester A. Arthur had a remodel done where it was

571
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: largely Victorian, a lot of tiffany glass. Some people like

572
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: the tiffany glass. Some people go it's too much. And

573
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: one of those people to be Teddy Roosevelt, because twenty

574
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: one years later he revitalized the White House added the

575
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Speaker 2: West Wing. The West Wing wasn't always there. Teddy Roosevelt

576
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: tr put in the West Wing. It's a separate building

577
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Speaker 2: that houses, as you know, the staff, the secretary's cabinet room,

578
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: all that stuff as well. Then our own, Cincinnati's own

579
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: William Howard Taft in nineteen oh nine, seven years later,

580
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: comes in and expands the West Wing and says, you

581
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Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna put an office in here, the

582
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Speaker 2: Oval Office. The Oval Office was non existent till nineteen

583
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Speaker 2: oh nine. In nineteen twenty seven, Calvin Coolidge put a

584
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Speaker 2: third floor on and said, yeah, you know what, we're

585
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: run out of space because we keep putting stuff in

586
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: the attic. What if we just put a third floor

587
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: in this thing? And at the time, the newspapers one

588
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: newspaper work anti Calvin Coolidge, going, what are we doing

589
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: over here? I know it's the twenties, the roaring twenties,

590
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: and we've got money, but this seems irresponsible. And of

591
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: course then during this whole remodel, we had the Great

592
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: Depression kick in. Near the end of that term. In

593
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight, Truman said, okay, well we really need

594
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Speaker 2: to double down here. And it was the most extensive

595
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Speaker 2: renovation the history of the White House that lasted four

596
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: years to remodel the White House entirely, which was well overneeded,

597
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: desperately need at that point. But even since the Truman renovation.

598
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty two, Jackie Kennedy created the Rose Garden

599
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: and you know, Donald Trump blew that up and it

600
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: pissed every Oh Rose Garden the history again, what was

601
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: the Rose Garden before Jackie Kennedy did something there? Gerald

602
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: Ford put a swimming pool in, Nickson put in a

603
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: bowling alley. In seventy three, Obama did the Big Dig

604
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: and that just basically expanded the situation room and the

605
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: space under the west wing, so nothing was destroyed there.

606
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Speaker 2: But we've had a long history of blowing up the

607
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Speaker 2: White House and doing different things. I just I don't

608
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: understand why, hey, taking the west one would put a

609
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: new ballroom in. It's just because Trump's doing it now.

610
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: If Biden had won the election and we're doing it,

611
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Speaker 2: I'm sure people on the right to be screaming out,

612
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: we don't have the money to do this stuff, and

613
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: so it goes. It's just the silliness of it. We've

614
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: been remodeling the White House periodically for a long time

615
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: because the building is two hundred and thirty three years old,

616
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: and eventually you look at it going, this isn't working anymore.

617
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Speaker 2: And I forget what Nixon's bowling all. I don't think

618
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: it's a bowling al anymore. It's something else. You think

619
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: Obama had a basketball court putt it or something. I

620
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: don't know if the court was always there, but had

621
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: that I wonder if that went away. I don't know,

622
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: but it seems like they do a good job, even

623
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: with the shutdown, of taking care of themselves. And that

624
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 2: is the point of the discussion. It's like you keep

625
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: blaming one side or the other. You just keep making

626
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: excuses for your team and ignoring it when the other

627
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: You emphasize it when the other side does it, ignore

628
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: it when your side does it. It's exhausting. I think

629
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: for those of us, the eighty percent of us, we

630
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: just want to live our lives, make money, be left alone,

631
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: probably feel about the same way. You know, back to

632
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: the government shutdown. And as they said, as we get

633
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Speaker 2: closer to thirty thirty five days in the significant of

634
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: the shutdown gets greater and greater. You know, for the

635
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: first couple of weeks, who cares, got some park shutdown? Okay,

636
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: somebody could get paid eventually they get paid, you know,

637
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: a month. And now it's starting to cut to the

638
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: correl aboe. You know, we're getting job reports and things

639
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: like that start to go by the wayside. And now

640
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: you know, nuclear energy furloughs. Okay, well what does that

641
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: look like? In the longer drags on, the deeper and

642
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: deeper we start to feel this. But the beginning it's

643
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: it's we're still I believe we're still in the theater

644
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: stage at this thing. Okay, nuclear weapons agency has been

645
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: hit according to Fox News, right, a government shut down

646
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: hits top nuclear weapons agency. All Right, as I'd be

647
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: concerned if we had to launch nukes, I would you

648
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: still be able to do that? Yes, yes we would

649
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: because all but eight percent of the government is still open.

650
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: That's not going to change the pain felt by federal

651
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: workers and contractors. And maybe when you show up to

652
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: get something done, like for example, got an email. Doesn't

653
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: apply to me at all, but I pay Social Security

654
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: as probably you do when you get an email from

655
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: the Social Security and mister saying listen, you know what

656
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: the officers are shot, but you still do stuff online. So,

657
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: as I said yesterday, is a matter of fact to

658
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 2: our Buddy Schaeffer over it all worth financial they're going

659
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: to get back together. I guess the people decide this

660
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: to make sure that the COLO that would be the

661
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: cost of living raiss for those on Social Security will

662
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: get their cost of living increase, because if he didn't

663
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: do that, and the old people who vote would be

664
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: pissed off. Now you're literally putting your lips on that

665
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: third rail. That's what you're doing. But you know, the

666
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: stuff that's going to really really upset people, like Social Security,

667
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: We're still going to continue to do that kind of stuff.

668
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: And we're always going to do that because this is

669
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: nothing but theater.

670
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: Now.

671
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 2: Granted, the longer we get into it, the more of

672
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: those things will see and feel, and we'll just get

673
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: tired of them, and eventually somebody's gonna blink and they'll

674
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: come back and we'll just shut the government down again

675
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: in about six or seven weeks and start this process

676
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: all over again. Slowly. Here the big one seven hundred

677
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: WLW do have some developing news, and we've been so

678
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: I got obsessed with the Terry Thiji thing that's still

679
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: going on that there's actually other stuff going on in

680
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: the world. Those things is recall, right before all this

681
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: broke was the intoxicating hemp law reform that was going down,

682
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: where intoxicating hemp UH and that whole process is it's

683
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: rather complex if you're not following what's going on there.

684
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: We have beverages out there that have THHC in them,

685
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: and THHC, of course is the element in cannabis THHC

686
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: delta nine in particular that gets you high. And there's

687
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion over this whole thing. I hope

688
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: I can straighten it out maybe a little bit here,

689
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: make some sense of this, because it's a complex issue

690
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: as to why we're going after intoxicating hemp. And there's

691
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: beverages out there that they sell that have THHC in it,

692
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: but that derive from the hemp plant. And there's a

693
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: lot of complex things. Largely it's because of all the

694
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: lack of regulation and then sweeping regulation coming in once

695
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: the people pass something like legislating recuational marijuana. So cannabis

696
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: and hemp are related plants. They look alike chemically, they're different.

697
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: The part that gets you high AF is a lot

698
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: less present than hemp, so in cannabis, THHC is a

699
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: lot higher. That's the stuff that gets you high, and

700
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: CBD it's the opposite. It's it's a lot less. Hemp

701
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: is legal in the United States, Cannabis isn't by federal law.

702
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Hemp is a plant, and bulk of hemp is actually

703
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: used for fabric and clothing and stuff like that. Rope

704
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: think for example, so THHG gets you high, CBD doesn't.

705
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Hemp has something like point three percent THHCN, just a

706
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 2: trace amount of it. So somebody along the line said, hey,

707
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: you know what, since there's this hemp loophole, quote unquote,

708
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: if we just get a hell of a lot of

709
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: hemp and extract that point three percent THCHD, we can

710
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: take that and it'll have the same effect as marijuana plant,

711
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: the America cannabis plant. So technically it's a loophole because we

712
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: will always find a way around prohibition always. We always

713
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: have in the world. If there's a black market, somebody's

714
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: gonna find it. So hemp products can be sold almost

715
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: anywhere in the state and the government has no jurisdiction.

716
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: That's why we had this emergency order from the wine

717
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: because the legislature was slow to move on changing end

718
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: of it's because they're being held hostage, I guess by

719
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: the far right. And we're afraid of church groups yelling

720
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: at us because dare someone put something or do something

721
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: that they disagree with put some of their body disagree

722
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: with that. That's how it works. And so the other

723
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: thing you need about Delta eight nine is eight is

724
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: considered a less potent and milder than delta nine. That

725
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: is a big component in cannabis, and you get more

726
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: of a subdued high in that it's a little more relaxing,

727
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: a little more clear headed. And delta nine is your

728
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: classic weed high. And so we have these beverages that

729
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: are infused with that product, the Delta eight that people enjoy.

730
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: And then talking to well like the folks at fifty

731
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: West for example, said hey, listen, you know our craft

732
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: brew the whole craft brew thing starting to die. People

733
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: are kind of craft brewed out. But you know what

734
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: they really really like. They like these seltzers. They like

735
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: these waters essentially that are infused with that Delta eight.

736
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: So you get the same effect as alcohol, but also

737
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people like the way you feel the

738
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: day after. You know, a lot of people get hangovers.

739
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: By the way, my superpower, never get hungover, get drink

740
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: and drink, drink, and wake up the next day ready

741
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: to go. Don't know why, just how it is in

742
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: that regard. People are going, Wow, you know what, I

743
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: don't have that feeling I have the next day. I

744
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: can have a couple of these and feel nice, have

745
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: a good, warm feeling about me as you get with alcohol.

746
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: But I don't have the residual effect. Okay, you're twenty

747
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: one or older. What's wrong with that? Nothing? So the

748
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: good news is, rather than we had this ninety day ban,

749
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: and then of course there was a three companies, one

750
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati filing a lawsuit against this, and there's

751
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: an injunction that stops so you can still drink those

752
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: beverages at fifty West and elsewhere. It's all good now. Finally,

753
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: what looks like we have the legislature being forced at

754
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: gunpoint to do what they're unwilling to do, and we

755
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: have new legislation that addresses all this stuff. The guy

756
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: behind it, of course, is Steve Hoffman. He's a physician

757
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: and also state senator from just the Tip City. He

758
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: joins me next on the show to talk about this

759
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: and more coming up on seven hundred WW Cincinnati Good

760
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: Morning's Scott fum here on seven hundred WW streaming on

761
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. We have the PG stuff going on,

762
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: of course, and we also have this this is kind

763
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: of breaking news, and you're getting at first, three Ohio companies,

764
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, file a lawsuit challenging Governor to wines emergency

765
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: order to ban the sale of low level intoxicating him products,

766
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: namely those peltzers you like because they're infused with Delta eight.

767
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: And a lawsuit was enjoined by those companies and he

768
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: had a ninety day ban in effect, and that was

769
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: set aside. But guess what, we may have a resolution.

770
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: We may have a resolution in this whole sort of

771
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: affair on that is Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman out of

772
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: just a Tip City. He's a physician by trade, but

773
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: also longtime lawmaker in the Senate. Steve, Good morning, Houses

774
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning. Find you.

775
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: A beautiful day, beautiful day all as well.

776
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. How about you?

777
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: So?

778
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: You sponsored Senate Bill fifty six that was the controversial

779
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: one overhauls of cannabis laws. Consolidates and revises a medical

780
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: and adult use marijuana regulations. Also establishes, in more importantly,

781
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: a regulatory flame framework for all the stuff to work.

782
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden time hemp comes along and

783
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: people are going, oh, well, we can kind of milk

784
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: that hemp and get old thc out of it enough

785
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: to make an intoxicating beverage or edible or vape or

786
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: tincture or something along those lines. Unfortunate because it's not regulated.

787
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: Some retailers, not a lot of them, but a number

788
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: of them, to take notice, are selling them the kids,

789
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: and we can't have that. I understand that whole thing.

790
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: I thought that the ninety day ban was all overreaching

791
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: when you're preventing adultsom enjoying. But again, the lawsuit forces

792
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: the hand, the Governor DeWine forces the hand, and the

793
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: end result is we're hearing that there's a sub bill

794
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: to be added to your Senate Bill fifty six. It

795
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: would add hemp regulation to it, kind of bringing everything

796
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: together in the same page. Is that The short story

797
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: is that the quick read the quick read.

798
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 4: I also had the Senate passed out my bill sent

799
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: Bill eighty six was on hemp, and basically what we

800
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: did was put all the intoxicating hemp into the dispensaries.

801
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 4: And that's where the two got put together. And we

802
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: have one on marijuana, and and the House yesterday spoke

803
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: about you know, they passed out of committee basically changing

804
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: the hemp thing.

805
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't you know, the idea of going

806
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: to a convenience store, be it anyone for that matter,

807
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: no idea whatsoever, you're going to buy something that can

808
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: get you as intoxicated as as an adult beverage, you

809
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: need to be cardedt ID four at age twenty one.

810
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: That that didn't apply. It was kind of a loopholear

811
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: that cleans all this up. So you won't see retailers carryouts,

812
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: roague carryouts for that matter, doing what we're talking about here,

813
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: because you can't have that.

814
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: And I agree with that, right, I mean, the overall

815
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 4: pemis is youre have to be twenty one you over

816
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: to buy it. Now, there's you know, the established as

817
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 4: a license where four hundred places that are already selling

818
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 4: this in eighty percent of their retail is him. They

819
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: will be able to continue to do this. But in here,

820
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: as as you've spoken before, and your wife enjoys the

821
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: cannabis strength, that you'd be able to sell the five

822
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: percent of the five milligrams of THHC and a bar,

823
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: but you would be able to as a carryout by

824
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: ten milligrams from that bar or from a liquor establishment

825
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 4: at twenty one and over.

826
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so I again most people, myself included doctor, Really

827
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: I don't understand five milligrams and HAM two million. I

828
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: look at some gummies that are five MILLI not point five,

829
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: but five milligram or ten milligram gummies, which you certainly

830
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: can feel the effect of. From what I understand, the

831
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: point five seems rather low. Is there nothing point five milligrams?

832
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: And let's say a can of seltzer? How does that

833
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: compare to let's say a can of beer. As far

834
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 2: as the effect, I.

835
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: Think the effect of five milligrams is like a six

836
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 4: percent bud, Like you know, you have one, Hey, you're

837
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 4: not going to really feel much of the fact. You know,

838
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: two or three or four you may start getting intoxicated

839
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: and do funny things.

840
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense. You drink three or four

841
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: of them, you're starting to feel the effects of it,

842
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: which you know you don't want to make it completely

843
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: alcohol or in this case THHC free because it defeats

844
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: the purpose if you're looking to, you know, maybe feel good.

845
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: And let's face a lot of people like to say,

846
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: I drink Why do I like craft beer? I like

847
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: the taste. Why do I like bourbon? I like the

848
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: taste of it? Most people drink it to get well

849
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: messed up. Let's let's just call it what it is

850
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: and a little chemical yoga. As long as you do

851
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: it in control, you're not driving who you hurt, and

852
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: except maybe yourself a little bit. Now, if it gets

853
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: to be a habit, different story. But nonetheless, these are

854
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: the vices which adults are allowed to enjoy in the

855
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: Buckeye State and across this country of our steef off men.

856
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: It fine with it, So that's good. Is there anything

857
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: in here? Is this gonna let's rewind You may not

858
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: know the answer to this, but well, let's satisfy those

859
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: who the three companies that brought the suit in the

860
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: first place. I mean, have you met with them? It's okay,

861
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: what are your grievances? And this addresses them and less

862
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: satisfy that lawsuit, so simply it goes away.

863
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: That's a good questions, There's some things in here that

864
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 4: bothers the industry. So one of the big thing about

865
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: the ballot in issues that has been a concern is

866
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: the monopoly that it could created so that anybody in

867
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: the industry got to stay in the industry. We're limiting

868
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: the number of marijuana dispensaries. Well, this bill does the

869
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: same thing. So it only's going to provide four hundred

870
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: license to the four hundred people that are doing it now.

871
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: So if Scott Sloan said, I want to have the

872
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: hemp score, well, it would be very difficult for a

873
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: number of reasons. One, there's only there's no more licenses

874
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: because we're giving them out to the people that are

875
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: already there. And number two, if there's a license, you're

876
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: going to stay seventy thousand dollars a year, and the

877
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 4: other guys that are already established or are are going

878
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: to pay ten thousand or fifteen thousand for their license.

879
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't really seem a capitalist thing that the pre

880
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 4: market that I mean, shouldn't we have let anybody that

881
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: provide the safe store to be able to sell it.

882
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that seems reasonable to me, and I think

883
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: that's a reasonable suggestion. We'll see what the industry's reaction

884
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: to that.

885
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: Is.

886
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: But but at the same time, we're also limiting it

887
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: to like four hundred damp outlets across the state with

888
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: millions of people. You know, you talk about I guess

889
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: capitalism and and you know, having a market there. And

890
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: I think hemp dispensers can they can't be with like

891
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: a mile each other or something like that. Why why such,

892
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: Why the restrictions there?

893
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: You know, I think the House tried to model some

894
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: things that we did uh in in marijuana, and you know,

895
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: I think to prevent you don't want in downtown Cincinnati

896
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: every other store to be marijuana and hemp. And you know,

897
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 4: also in this bill, it allows the city townships to

898
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: say I just don't want hemp, I just don't want marijuana.

899
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: You can't come in, and that's.

900
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: Their right, but you know it would limit it that.

901
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: You know, a few months ago when I was testifying,

902
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: I kind of threw people for a loophole and I said,

903
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: I think we should deregulate marijuana within five years. Anybody

904
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: should be able to. I mean, if you can, if

905
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: you have the money, and you can provide a store

906
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: that's and process it and grow it properly and under

907
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: the surveillance of the Cannabis Commission, go at it. If

908
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: we really want to drive down prices and have a

909
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: free market, we should deregulate it. But that fell on

910
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: deaf ear.

911
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: One would think, because the market would control. But in

912
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: this case, you know, you have four hundred outlets for

913
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: a state that has damn near twelve million people. I'm

914
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: doing the math on that one. It doesn't math that much. Now.

915
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Granted a lot of our state is rural, but I

916
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: just wonder if that's too few, how do you determine

917
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: that number. What's that even based on?

918
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: I think they looked at about how many stores are

919
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: currently out there, and to hold it artificially low in

920
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: it benefits to current people, it does not benefit entrepreneurism out.

921
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: There at all.

922
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at how little the stuff costs

923
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: in Michigan. It's because, man, I'll tell you, up there,

924
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: they have tons of it. Now, some may say, well

925
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: it's too much, but again you have a gold rush

926
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: and opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the game, and

927
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: so you'll see a lot of storefronts. What happens generally

928
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: in the cycle of business then is those little fish

929
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: either can't figure out a business model to make it work,

930
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: they go out of business, which happens all the time

931
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: to natural cycle things, or they get successful and they

932
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: get bought up by bigger fish and eventually, you know,

933
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: you have a limited number of fish in the market

934
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: to control everything. So that but that's down the line,

935
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: and it seems like we're artificially blocking that market right there.

936
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: He is Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman on the show on

937
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: seven hundred WW the good news about this band and

938
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: how that affects you as if you enjoy the THHC

939
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: laced beverages like at fifty West, for example, the sunflower

940
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: products are really good. This is this is going to

941
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: allow this to continue to occur. So for example, our

942
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 2: friends fifty West or any local company around here, they say, listen,

943
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: our beer sales. Craft beer is kind of it's dwindling.

944
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: It's starting to go down. Numbers are going now. We

945
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: had peak craft beer, but so many more people now

946
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: are enjoying these THHG lays drinks. They're going to still

947
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: be able to sell them at a bar. The ones

948
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: with the higher amounts will have to be sold at

949
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: a carry out.

950
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: Correct more takeout from the bar.

951
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: Okay, So if you can't sell the.

952
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 4: Ten milligrams to drink for the bar.

953
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: You have to take that out. It's the way it's.

954
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Currently written good because that was a concern. They're said, hey, listen,

955
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: craft beer is dying, and now you guys are going

956
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: to put this ninety day moratorium on creating crafting product

957
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: and selling it. I'm going to go out of business.

958
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 2: And fortunately, I think what the governor did, and I

959
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: disagree with holding up the children as a reason why

960
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: to do this an extreme example, but he did what

961
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: he set out to do and that has forced the

962
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: legislature and force the lawmakers in Columbus to act on

963
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: and do something about this loophole and specifically regulating this product.

964
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: And I get if government comes in, we need to

965
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: regulate things and make sure it's safe and fair and

966
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: also make sure it's not falling in the hands of

967
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: the underage. And that's what regulatory regulatory framework does. I

968
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: understand that it's just manned the legislature dragging their feet

969
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: on this thing, and it makes no sense to me

970
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: because the end result is people wind up losing out.

971
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: And also, you know, you're making business have to work

972
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: harder to work around the slow pace of the government.

973
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: I understand that fortunately we had in this case the

974
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: legislature moving forward and saying, okay, we're going to come

975
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: up with some frameworks here and maybe this will work

976
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: out for everyone.

977
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: You know.

978
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: One of the other things I saw here, and I

979
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: saw kind of the outline of the of the code itself.

980
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: It allows this little municipalities, as you said, to ban

981
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: happen marijuana dispensers. For in Mason, for example, long ago

982
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: they said we don't want this here, still not there.

983
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it also prohibits them from

984
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: taxing these products. So is there a rationale there for

985
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: giving cities the power to ban but not the tax.

986
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 4: We don't want to drive the price up from one.

987
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: He has always been the philosophy, especially on marijuana, that

988
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: if you you know, let them packed. You know, in

989
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: this bill, we're doing what the municipalities want.

990
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: Because if you go back to.

991
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: The Vallid initiative, the valid initiative taxed it at ten

992
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: percent and then put thirty six to the locals. But

993
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: there's a flaw in it that did not release the

994
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: money to the locals. So over the last almost two

995
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: years they haven't gotten the money. And so this bill

996
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: would keep that intact and then given a mechanism to

997
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 4: release the money. It would also add a ten percent

998
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: tax on a hint product. If that's constitutional. We're still

999
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: working through that because you're not allowed to tax things

1000
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: from out of that come from out of state at

1001
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 4: a higher rate and attack your own stuff as a

1002
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 4: federal law. So we'll see if that that'll work out.

1003
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: For us, all right, And then in the regulatory as mean,

1004
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: it's kind of wonky. I suppose as I've read through

1005
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: the note on this and said, okay, well, we've got

1006
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: these different regulatory frameworks, right, We've got the hemp dispensaries

1007
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: or under cannabis control, the drinkables under liquor control. Does

1008
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: that create confusion and inefficiency?

1009
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: It can? I mean, if you're a business that has

1010
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: two if you do, if you're if you're a hint

1011
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: and you have gummies and all sorts of ointments and

1012
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and you also have beverages, you're answering

1013
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: to two masters. Now right right, it does. But you

1014
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: look at it at Kroger's or a grocery store, you

1015
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: know they have they have to facto license, they have

1016
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: a liquor license, they have a pharmacy, they're they're answering

1017
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 4: the multil a agencies in the state of Ohio and

1018
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 4: federal agencies also. But sometimes that's that's the way it

1019
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: works out. If that's the business line, you need one.

1020
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: Of the other things in here. Steve Hoffmann relative to

1021
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: the regulatory structure, I was talking to our friends at

1022
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: fifty West about this after this ed it came down

1023
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: from the governor of the ninety day ban and what

1024
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: that would do to business, and it's horrible. So they're

1025
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: they're they're cranking out the sunflower product right now, which

1026
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about, and a lot of people

1027
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: enjoy that. Of course, there's other brewers and manufacturers that

1028
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: do this locally, and God bless them because I like

1029
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: when people make money. It makes them make pay taxes

1030
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: and everybody's happy, especially when it's something leisurely and a

1031
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: vice like drinking an adult beverage. So this will require

1032
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: those companies, the cannabinoid manufacturers to have sales toritories for distributors,

1033
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: kind of like alcohol distribution. Does that limit market efficiency

1034
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: and competition or is that like, hey, we do this

1035
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: for alcohols, would be fair to do it to these

1036
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: products as well.

1037
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: Well, I think that was their philosophy. They do it

1038
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: for alcohol. You know, there's a thought that we should

1039
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 4: to me, it's a disadvantage the vast majority that does

1040
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: the hamp products in beverages or the craft brewers. And

1041
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: you look at ryan Geist there in Cincinnati, and I

1042
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: don't know how many they do, but just say they're

1043
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: going to do. They have you know, ten bars in

1044
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and twenty retail outlets that they sell it. They

1045
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 4: would be more efficient to load their truck up at

1046
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: their factory and drive to those places rather than to

1047
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: take that truck to the distributor, which might be in

1048
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 4: Middletown and then that truck will then disperse thing to it.

1049
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: Certainly wouldn't be as efficient and probably cost effective. So

1050
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 4: because it's they tend to be more on the smaller scale.

1051
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: That's certainly not the Budweisers that are doing it.

1052
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: All right, right, Steve Hoffman, all right, So this is

1053
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: just kind of like written in pencil, not pen yet.

1054
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: What is the timeline for getting this done? You think

1055
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: what happens next?

1056
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 5: Well, the so.

1057
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: The house passed it out.

1058
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 4: You know, if we sent that over there in March

1059
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 4: so they've been sitting on it for seven months. So

1060
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: the inactivity was not from the from the from the

1061
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: Senate standpoint. But I do not think that the Senate

1062
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: is going to agree with the current form. I think

1063
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 4: probably in the next two or three weeks, you know,

1064
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 4: certainly before Thanksgiving, we will sit down and take the

1065
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: good on both sides and come up with something that

1066
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: both of us in the industry can is reasonable to

1067
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: be safe and have an efficient industry here in the

1068
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: state of Lahare.

1069
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: So in the meantime, everything works away, it was working before.

1070
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: The good news is you don't know what about.

1071
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 4: Right with with the with the temporary restraining order. Everything's

1072
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 4: working us before.

1073
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'll fill the void and we'll never notice,

1074
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: which is how I like things to work. It's like

1075
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: when my phone or my tablet or my computer updates.

1076
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: It does it in the dark night when I'm dead asleep, Steve,

1077
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: and I wake up, and everything's the way it should be.

1078
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 2: That's what I want us.

1079
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: Well, you you hope that's the way it works, because

1080
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: you're in trouble.

1081
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, if next time we talk and we're talking about

1082
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: the blue screen of death and we've got a real

1083
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: but hopefully all this happens behind the scene and you

1084
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 2: can go to a bar or a restaurant in order to

1085
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: your favorite CBD beverage. Steve Hoffman, Senator Steve Hoffman from

1086
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: a Tip City, I appreciate your help on this too

1087
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: and help them figure this out. It's a complex issue,

1088
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: but we need more joy in life, not less joy.

1089
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: But if you know drinking a THC infused seltzer is

1090
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: not your joy, well it certainly as someone else's, and

1091
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: damn it as an American, as an Ohioan. I want

1092
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 2: to fight and make sure and I know you do too,

1093
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: that that people can do that and enjoy that, provided

1094
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: they're twenty one or older and doing it responsibly. All

1095
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: the best to you, my friend. Thanks again, you take

1096
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: care of that. Take care, I say, more intoxicating beverages, edibles, tintures, vapes,

1097
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: et cetera, not less. I'm on the pro chemical yoga

1098
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: side of life. Were I'm a little eye voted sticker. Look,

1099
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: we got to get a news update. And why do

1100
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: we enjoy adult beverages and other things that make us relaxed,

1101
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: Well because of real life streussors. Biggest stress or we're

1102
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: facing in Cincinnati. Of course, is what the hell is

1103
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: happening with crime? I'm and the police chief and how

1104
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 2: is this whole thing handled by the way, I say

1105
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: not well, I would say horribly by this administration. Julie Bouki,

1106
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: our career, Shirpa spent a lifetime in HR. She knows

1107
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: all how this stuff should work, and when it doesn't work,

1108
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: she pokes holes in it. She's going to do that.

1109
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: Next is Julie on the job Scott's loan seven hundred WT.

1110
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. Here's

1111
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: our career, shirp on it. Julie Bouki.

1112
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I always love it when a topic comes up,

1113
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: something comes up that's ripped from the pages of today's headlines.

1114
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: And of course that would be what's transpired here in

1115
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: the last three days with the chief Terry Thiji. And

1116
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: she was summoned backed you may recall last week from Denver.

1117
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: She's at a conference in Denver Police chiefs conference. They

1118
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: tell you got to get come back. We have urgent

1119
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 2: business regarding the safety of Cincinnati. Now what in urgent

1120
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 2: business I was? When no one knows because there's really

1121
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: nothing happening wasn't a shooting like we had a Fountain Square.

1122
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: We had the Thursday night occurrence, but that was still

1123
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: being investigated. It wasn't like a big mass casually event

1124
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: she had to come back for, thank god. And immediately

1125
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: it got out that well, they're going to fire her,

1126
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: and then it turned into a paid administrative leave and

1127
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: there were no answers coming from city Hall relative to well,

1128
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: what did she do or did she not do that

1129
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: caused her her job essentially, and she's hanging limbo. She's

1130
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: not been fired, she's still unpaid leave, although we have

1131
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: an interim chief that's in the fact right now and

1132
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: the end results are paying her. We had her attorneys

1133
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: speak live on the radio yesterday at ten am about

1134
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: what was transpiring that she actually had. There was no

1135
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: cause to do this whatsoever. She was always never really

1136
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: anything bad in her record of thirty five years law enforcement.

1137
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: She's the chief. We have a crime spree. But is

1138
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: that relative to the policy set forth by this administration

1139
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: and draft at pure vault or is that Chief Thigi

1140
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: to the point where what does chief interim Chief Henny

1141
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: get you? That Chief Thiji doesn't get you, and no

1142
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: one can answer that question. It is a cluster bleief

1143
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: and a dumpster fire and a tire fire all in one.

1144
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: Julie Balk, Welcome back. Good to have you on. Julie

1145
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: on the Job, our career SHIPA who is a licensed

1146
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: professional in the state of Human Resources, how are you?

1147
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 6: I would just say that I have opinions. I have

1148
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 6: strong opinions that I'm not willing that I'm not unwilling

1149
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 6: to that I'm not unwilling to share. So that's where

1150
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 6: we are. And yeah, you're right.

1151
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 3: This is.

1152
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 6: First of all, anytime you have something that happens at

1153
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 6: this level in a city where everybody's got their hands

1154
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 6: in the pie in terms of everybody has a stake.

1155
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 6: When you really think about there's the community, there's the government,

1156
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 6: there's the FOP, there's you know, the police officers, there's

1157
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 6: there's all these different constituencies, the media, in the fact

1158
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 6: that we do have an election for mayor coming up

1159
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 6: in two weeks, there's all of those things. It's almost

1160
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 6: like they just get thrown into a call ldren using

1161
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 6: a Halloween theme and stirred up and so there are

1162
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 6: there's so much we don't know here. What we do

1163
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 6: know is that the crime problem, whatever your perception of

1164
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 6: it is, is never just the fault of one person.

1165
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 3: But when you are the.

1166
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 6: Leader of an organization, of an organization, you will all

1167
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 6: you will often take the slings and arrows, whether you

1168
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 6: are beloved by your group or not. That's just the

1169
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 6: nature of being in a high level position, in a

1170
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 6: high level position, in a high visibility role, where there

1171
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 6: are so many different people with stakes in it, and

1172
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 6: it's you know, I was reading a bunch of stubbs

1173
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 6: and watching a bunch of videos this morning in preparation

1174
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 6: for this and was reminded that the city is still

1175
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 6: in an ongoing dispute with the past fire chief. Yep,

1176
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 6: and that's been continuing.

1177
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: And Steven Ann, the guy who represents Terry Fiji, also

1178
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: represents former chief Washington. So it's sound employment and it's

1179
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: all battled out in the public eye, unlike typically where

1180
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: we all work and where you work, if you're listening,

1181
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: there may be a regime change, there may be layoffs.

1182
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 2: We just did that, and there's no easy way. We've

1183
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: often talked about the fire people. You call in one

1184
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: at a time on firing day, and then you just

1185
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: wait for your name to be called you bring everybody

1186
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: in one big cattle call and fire group of people.

1187
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: That's in humane as well. There's no real good way

1188
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: to do this. But the way this whole thing is handled,

1189
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: because it's in the public eye, it's the government that

1190
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: technically works for us because the people are the government

1191
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: a lot. I'd safe to say every man and woman

1192
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: who's following the story is not pleased at how it's

1193
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: been handled so far. So this is a different thing.

1194
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: And then, as you mentioned, politics are involved here too,

1195
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: because in an election coming up, how does this help

1196
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: have to add peival to get re elected or doesn't it.

1197
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: I think he thinks he's got in the bag. It

1198
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: really doesn't matter. I'm just curious to see what happens

1199
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: at this point. Let's get into that, Julie. If you're

1200
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: on Terry's team, Terry Thiji, what are you going to

1201
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: get out of this? You're not going to get your

1202
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: job back, are you?

1203
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1204
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 6: So if she were sitting with me right now, and

1205
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 6: I've met her several times, you know, but if she

1206
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 6: was sitting asking my advice, very she's asking my advice,

1207
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 6: that's what I would say. I said, what do you

1208
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 6: want out of this? If you get your job back,

1209
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 6: it's going to be under incredibly increased scrutiny and attention.

1210
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: You're going to be put.

1211
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 6: Back into your job against the wishes of the people

1212
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 6: who are responsible for hiring and firing, which you know

1213
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 6: since two thousand and one that falls under the city manager.

1214
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 6: And so what what are you trying to get out

1215
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 6: of this? I don't get the sense. And this is

1216
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 6: just me kind of reading between the lines, which is

1217
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 6: a little dangerous, but is that It's not about she's

1218
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 6: trying to get some big severance package. It's about I

1219
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 6: am being targeted for something that is not that of

1220
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 6: course I have some responsibility for, but it's not entirely

1221
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 6: my responsibility. There are when you look at these problems

1222
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 6: that have come up, And I just want to say

1223
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 6: that last night I lived downtown and last night I

1224
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 6: was out walking around and it was dark, and I

1225
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 6: was down by Fountain Square and I saw no less

1226
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 6: than twelve police officers, no less. I was counting them,

1227
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 6: which then made me say, Okay, we know there's a

1228
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 6: staffing shortage, we know where are they not showing up

1229
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 6: where they need to be showing up. And so I'm

1230
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 6: very sympathetic to It's not her fault. It's not the

1231
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 6: officers on the street. They can't be everywhere at once.

1232
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 6: It's not all the mayor's fault. There's a lot of

1233
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 6: responsibility that lies in the home and with the community.

1234
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 6: And any time you have something like this that's such

1235
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 6: a hot potato, you've got Corey Bowman, the other candidate

1236
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 6: for mayor, chiming in. It's it's almost like, and I

1237
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 6: hate to say this, but in almost every situation, even

1238
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 6: in a corporate situation, someone is going to take the fall.

1239
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 7: Is it right?

1240
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 6: No, of course not, but it is. It is what

1241
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 6: it is. And I was thinking about this because when

1242
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 6: I went back when I was in HR, we had

1243
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 6: this guy who he has passed away, so I always

1244
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 6: feel like I can tell the story freely. He ran

1245
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 6: the department, and he was just a massive creep, like

1246
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 6: Harvey Weinstein creep, and everybody knew it's but his numbers

1247
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 6: were really good, his results were really good, and so

1248
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 6: nobody everyone was like, uh huh, huh uh huh when

1249
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 6: you try to say, here's what's going on. And he

1250
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 6: was supposed to lose Cannon in so many different ways,

1251
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 6: and nobody wanted to hear it because the train was

1252
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 6: running on the tracks at least from.

1253
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 3: A results point.

1254
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 6: The minute the train started go off the tracks, he

1255
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 6: became enemy member one and he was fired. I'm like, Okay,

1256
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 6: you're the same guy doing the same creepy thing today

1257
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 6: that you were yesterday. But now all of a sudden,

1258
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 6: you know it's a problem. And so when you know so,

1259
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 6: it's it's human nature. Whether you're in the police department

1260
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 6: or Kroger or anywhere, look at look at the top

1261
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 6: person is always in the crosshairs. And you know, I

1262
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 6: was reading through all these things, listening to people's comments,

1263
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 6: people in the community, and there's a lot of support

1264
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 6: for her in the community talking about her policing style.

1265
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 6: But I also saw some videos from you know, our

1266
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 6: buddy Ken Cober talking about his funds for the interim chief,

1267
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 6: Adam Henny. So that availed message that says, wow, we're

1268
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 6: so glad to have Adam Henny because maybe the leader

1269
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 6: of the rank and file in the FOP didn't respect

1270
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 6: her as a leader, and the city saying ineffective leadership,

1271
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 6: and so if you're going to lead with that as

1272
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 6: a as a reason, then you've got to be able

1273
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: to back that up when this goes to court, because it.

1274
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: Will well there's there's the thing is Julie Balgare curusher.

1275
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: But Julie on the job this morning, every Wednesday morning,

1276
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: this time with Solny on seven hundred WLW was the

1277
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: biggest story. Of course, that would be Terry Figi and

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Speaker 2: this is perfect for her because it is hr and

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Speaker 2: how it's mishandled and how no one knows why the

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Speaker 2: reasons why Chief Thiji was well not even fired at this.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing is paid administrative leave. If you're fired,

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Speaker 2: you're fired. Why why don't they just drop the X

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Speaker 2: and say okay, it's now Adam Henny. That's another thing

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Speaker 2: is why prolong this?

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Speaker 6: You know? And I don't. The thing we don't know

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Speaker 6: what are the terms of the contract. Someone did say

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Speaker 6: that in the contract she a couple of sayings that

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Speaker 6: she's entitled to if she were to leave, and I

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Speaker 6: don't think se is mentioned, so it could be. And

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Speaker 6: this is weird where this is what the previous fire chief.

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Speaker 6: One of his claims is I did not get due process. Okay,

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Speaker 6: so what does that look like? And so you can

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Speaker 6: either when it comes to what is due process. Let's

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Speaker 6: say for firing a police chief, for a fire chief.

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Speaker 6: Let's just pull this out of the air, because that's

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Speaker 6: what we've got in front of it. What does that

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Speaker 6: look like? What does due process look like? My opinion

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Speaker 6: of it might be very different from yours. So is

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Speaker 6: that review of all of the reasoning and the evidence,

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Speaker 6: bipartisan committee? Is that a period of time in which

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Speaker 6: people get to get their act together, like maybe sixty days,

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Speaker 6: where people can gather their thoughts. So what is the purpose?

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Speaker 6: There has to be a purpose. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: they thought when she was being put on paid administrative

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Speaker 6: leave that she would quit, but they had to know

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Speaker 6: that this was coming no big surprise. And so from

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Speaker 6: a strategy standpoint, if you're the city, you have to

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Speaker 6: get in the room with all the people who have

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Speaker 6: their fingers in this and say, okay, so what does

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Speaker 6: the contract say? Are we living by the terms of

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Speaker 6: the contract? And do we generally operate?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 6: Are we generally operating the same with everybody?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Are we being fair?

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Speaker 6: What is our evidence that she's an ineffective leader? Who

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Speaker 6: says so? And why now not?

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Speaker 2: What's the evaluation? And it's like, if she's enforcing the

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Speaker 2: policies that our policies are placed in by the people

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Speaker 2: above her, and she just enforces the policies and the

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Speaker 2: dictates of the office, so she doesn't control that. But

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Speaker 2: we know that in politics there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that follow the sword for the people above them, and

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Speaker 2: then they're made whole later when no one's paying attention,

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Speaker 2: and God only knows what that includes. But I also

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Speaker 2: heard too that there is no non disclosure agreement here,

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Speaker 2: so you got to get her to sign an NDA.

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Speaker 2: And as you know, NDAs can be costly because if

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Speaker 2: your chief theeves, you probably know some things and have

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Speaker 2: evidence that are going to make the administration, namely share

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Speaker 2: long the city manage and most likely have to appear

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Speaker 2: of all but others. You've got some dirt there, and

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Speaker 2: and to make people like this shut up, you got

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Speaker 2: to cut them a big check. So the question is, Julie,

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Speaker 2: how big a check are we talking? And am I

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Speaker 2: wrong about that analysis?

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Speaker 6: No, no, you're not wrong. I think the decision before

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Speaker 6: anything happens, before you say get back from Denver today

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Speaker 6: instead of two days from now, which seems like why arbitrary?

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Speaker 2: It's arbitrary.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to say, Okay, what's worst case?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 6: What it's worst case she sueses, all this stuff becomes public.

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Speaker 6: How do we Because if you didn't think she was

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Speaker 6: going to file a lawsuit.

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Speaker 3: You have not been paying attention, right because.

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Speaker 6: It's and so I don't I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's just it makes the way it looks and I

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Speaker 6: always say, Okay, we don't know everything, but the way

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Speaker 6: it looks to the community is there's this handle in

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Speaker 6: a chaotic manner and a non thoughtful man that brings

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Speaker 6: in the bring that considers all the possible outcomes. Because

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Speaker 6: now you potentially have her and a lawsuit sitting out

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Speaker 6: there next to Michael Washington's lawsuit, which you've been going

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Speaker 6: on for years now. And now what if they have

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Speaker 6: if they end up for a seventh tape? Where's that

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Speaker 6: where's that money coming from?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know how much longer you can delay.

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Speaker 2: You you've been on that side of the desk of

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Speaker 2: the NDAs and stuff in this for anyone listening. If

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Speaker 2: they trace you get fired normally, here's your check, here's

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Speaker 2: your two weeks, two months, two years, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: This is what you're in tel We'll give you this

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Speaker 2: in exchange for this check. Here's this check. Uh, and

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Speaker 2: now you just lost your job. You don't have the

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Speaker 2: future holds. You're probably scared to death. That's they've got

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Speaker 2: you in a vulnerable position, which is terrible from a

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Speaker 2: negotiation standpoint. But isn't this like just like a contract negotiation,

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Speaker 2: the NDA period where you know, if you sign this,

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Speaker 2: we'll give you your your two week severance right now.

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Speaker 2: Don't sign the check that you can negotiate all that,

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Speaker 2: can't you?

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Speaker 6: Sometimes, so an NDA is most often you so that

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Speaker 6: you don't disclose company secrets. I'm going from one company

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Speaker 6: to a competitor, And sometimes there will be like a

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Speaker 6: non compete which says you can't work in this market

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Speaker 6: for six months or you can't work with people who

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Speaker 6: are direct competitors for twelve months. So that's general, there's

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Speaker 6: a non compete, But then there's also a lot of

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Speaker 6: times an NDA, which means you're not going to run

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Speaker 6: over to even if you don't go work for a competitor,

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Speaker 6: you're not going to call them up and say, hey,

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Speaker 6: I got a bunch of company secrets here I'm going

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Speaker 6: to share with you. So those are to me especially

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Speaker 6: if NDA is very reasonable, now when and quus it?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 6: Again, I'm not an attorney. This is just based on

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Speaker 6: you know, go to what I've seen. When you say,

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Speaker 6: when you say so, then they'll they'll look at if

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Speaker 6: I said no non compete for two years? Does that

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Speaker 6: interfere with your ability to make a living? And in

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Speaker 6: a lot of cases it does.

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Speaker 7: Two years is too long.

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Speaker 6: So NDA they had in it a non dis paragement

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Speaker 6: clause which says you will not speak ill of this company.

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Speaker 6: And a lot of big companies, a lot of women

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Speaker 6: back when all this me too stuff was going on

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Speaker 6: was really coming out, they got big payouts and they

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Speaker 6: find an NDA they would not dispair it.

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Speaker 2: But it's a big payout. The question is how big

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Speaker 2: a payout, meaning how much money are the taxpayer is

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Speaker 2: going to have to foot the bill for this malfeasance

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Speaker 2: and incompetence.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I don't I think it could have been

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Speaker 6: handled better. But I also say that because I also

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Speaker 6: am always very careful because we don't know the whole

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Speaker 6: story from from we don't know everything. We can only take.

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Speaker 3: Which put out.

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Speaker 6: But then again the other time, that is if you're

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Speaker 6: out there, if you're a manager. You have to so

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Speaker 6: carefully manage what you put out, what you say. Everybody

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Speaker 6: has to be on the same page, and you have

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Speaker 6: to anticipate all these things and be ready for you.

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Speaker 6: If not, you just have a dumpster fire.

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Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that. The problem is politics, and

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Speaker 2: of course you know, people just continue to vote blue

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Speaker 2: in Hamblin County and get what they get, and the

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Speaker 2: same people complain about the people who voted red. And

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Speaker 2: we had protests down at the riverfront this weekend over,

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Speaker 2: but turn that mirror around. How much of the parallels,

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Speaker 2: how much stuff you bitching about Trump is a to

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Speaker 2: have pure vault doing. There's there's there's the ven diagram,

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Speaker 2: there's some carryover. Julie Balkie, Julie on the job every

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning. She's at the Bouki Group b a UK

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Speaker 2: career coach and Consultants b a UK is how you

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Speaker 2: spelled her name, by the barkiegroup dot com. She got

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Speaker 2: a whole team ready to go to work for you.

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Speaker 2: Have a great week. We'll talk next Wednesday. By then

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Speaker 2: we probably still won't have this thing settled. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about it one more. We'll just read. We'll just rehash

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Speaker 2: us for the next three Wednesdays to decide what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, be well, take care, thank you. Got to

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Speaker 2: through the dow where you are there, We got you,

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Speaker 2: We got you all right, Fiji talk. We continue that

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Speaker 2: and that has really overshadowed things for most of the week,

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Speaker 2: at least this early half of the week. But we

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Speaker 2: also have other things going on, trouble brewing here on

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Speaker 2: It's been kind of going on well for the last

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Speaker 2: few days here, starting the last week. Clarmont kind of

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Speaker 2: Republican Dave Young's office is investigating the image of an

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Speaker 2: American flag with the stripes bent to form of swastika.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the images by now that was

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Speaker 2: caught an Cameron a zoom meeting in this congressional staffer's office.

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Speaker 2: So next to the shutdown, this political scandal is kind

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Speaker 2: of consuming Washington, not just what it's going on in

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Speaker 2: Dave Young's office, but the what almost three thousand pages

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Speaker 2: of eleak chats revealing that the leaders and the Young

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Speaker 2: Republicans traded a bunch of pretty horrific words and statements

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Speaker 2: which they thought would never make the eye of pub

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Speaker 2: the light of public eye, seeing the light, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: It was in chambers, and it was in a chat group,

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Speaker 2: and yet we've seen stuff like this leak out before.

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Speaker 2: The problem is, again, just if you're you know, don't

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Speaker 2: like the GOP, you don't like Republicans, you don't like Trump,

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Speaker 2: this just gives you more ammo to hate on them,

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Speaker 2: and you wonder what the reaction is is this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: You've got some of these GOP Young GOP chapters disbanding

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Speaker 2: within hours because of this. And I know the Vice

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Speaker 2: President Jade Vance brushed it off as kids being edgy,

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Speaker 2: but there's some bipartisan outrage out there, and when you

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Speaker 2: have bipartisanship in a divided government, that says a lot.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Victoria Churchill. She's a political reporter for

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Speaker 2: dailymail dot Com first broke the key details of this story.

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Speaker 2: She's also writes your young voices. Victoria, welcome, how are you.

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Speaker 8: Hi, good morning, Thanks so much to be thank you

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Speaker 8: so much for having me. Great to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting to watch how this is breaking. Republicans

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Speaker 2: across the country are confronting whether to denounce this or

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Speaker 2: deflect it, and we're seeing it kind of break both

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Speaker 2: ways right now, because some are going, well, this is

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Speaker 2: the worst thing ever. Others are going, well, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: the Democrats did this, And the problem for Republicans is

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Speaker 2: it just gives more ammo to Democrats who say, well,

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Speaker 2: this is what you wind up voting for. It's all

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Speaker 2: white supremacy.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I just want to start off by

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Speaker 8: saying the political rhetoric needs to be toned down on

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Speaker 8: both sides of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: I think that's something.

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Speaker 8: We're seeing, and you know, especially after the assassination and

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Speaker 8: you know, of course, let's call it what it is,

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Speaker 8: assassination of Charlie.

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Speaker 2: Kirk the last month. Yeah, we need.

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Speaker 8: To tone down the rhetoric. However, I do want to

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Speaker 8: point out a key differences between the general factors of

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 8: the picular office, so you know, the young Republicans and

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 8: just to be clear for your audience. Young Republicans are

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01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 8: between the ages of eighteen and forty, so you know,

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 8: I know, Vice President of Fans tried to brush them

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01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 8: off as college kids. These are not college kids, at

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 8: least not most of them. Most of them have jobs.

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01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 8: Some of them pull elected office, others serve as very

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 8: secret positions or other elective members or you know, I

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 8: guess it's before they were fired resigned. However, you want

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 8: to frame that they are no longer than the position.

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 8: And I think that's the very key part of this

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01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 8: is because when we compare this as the Vice President did,

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01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 8: which you know, I think is more or less a

1504
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 8: fair comparison. Comparing this to the j Jones tex scandal

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01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 8: that we're dealing with in Virginia. I love in Virginia.

1506
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 8: I cover some Virginia politics. Of course. That was the

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 8: Democrat candidate for attorney general. He had some text messages

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 8: revealed that he, you know, wish death not only on

1509
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 8: his opponent Ben Todds, Speaker or then House Speaker Todd Gilbert,

1510
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 8: the Republican Speaker of the House in a couple of

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01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 8: years ago in Virginia, but also on his children, which

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 8: you know, to me, that's even more disgusting if you

1513
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 8: can even agree that kind of thing. But you know, again,

1514
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 8: j Jones is still running for office, and he's been

1515
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 8: backed up by senior Democrats. But I believe both of

1516
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 8: our US senators in Virginia, Kim Kaine, Mark Warner, they're

1517
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 8: really egging him on. They're saying, yeah, the text are bad,

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 8: but they still want this man to hold elected office.

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01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 8: On the Republican side, Republicans have come out and said,

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 8: these people are not representative of our party, deserve a

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 8: place in leadership, if the thing at all, because a

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 8: lot of the times, the young Republican chasters, like I said,

1523
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 8: you know, a lot of them hold elected office or

1524
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 8: work for elected officials, but even more of them. You know,

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01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 8: it's supposed to be kind of a talent pipeline for

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01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 8: Republican leaders of Publican candidates all over the country. Really,

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01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 8: and you know, I think that that's part of why

1528
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 8: the story is so big, is that you have dangerous

1529
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 8: ideologies on both sides. That of course, I'm all for

1530
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 8: free speech, right, but you know, I think in a

1531
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 8: free speech situation, this is actually better because people can speak, really,

1532
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 8: and then people can judge these individuals that say things

1533
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 8: that you know, I personally find morally reprehensible, abhorrent all

1534
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 8: those things.

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01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 2: Right, I think, and I think, you know jd Vance

1536
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: is he's right about one thing he says, I refuse

1537
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 2: to join the pro clutching when powerful people call for

1538
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: political violence. You know, the what about ism as you

1539
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: mentioned in politics, that what about as it means once

1540
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: that always downplays what they're sick of fans do as

1541
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: they rail against their enemies. When they do it, you know,

1542
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,440
Speaker 2: on the left, embracing anti Semitism for example, or Kirk's assassination,

1543
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: how is this any different? And so I think when

1544
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 2: that happens on both sides, as you mentioned, I think

1545
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: the rest of the electorate, most of us go, well,

1546
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: if you're not going to change it, we can't change

1547
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: it either. And it's just the latest insult I suppose

1548
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: to our sensibilities and tolerances, and we're I don't see

1549
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: it getting better. I just see this being more the same.

1550
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 8: Well, you know again, I think sunlight is the best disinfected.

1551
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 8: I think the only way to get what I consider

1552
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 8: to be bad ideas out is to talk about them,

1553
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 8: and is to have conversations, you know, publicized and again,

1554
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 8: views that I think should not really have grounding in

1555
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 8: our political rhetoric today. The only way to get them

1556
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 8: out is to have these conversations. Now kind of on

1557
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 8: the flip side. Actually, some of my reporting that I

1558
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 8: did on the text method scandal was that, at least

1559
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 8: by the evidence that I've seen and that my colleagues

1560
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 8: put into that story, these texts were actually coerced and so,

1561
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 8: you know, there may have been some very shady kind

1562
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,520
Speaker 8: of back room feeling. You know, one of the individuals,

1563
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 8: he has come out with an illegal off of David

1564
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 8: which is available. You know that he was basically coerced

1565
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 8: into releasing these text messages. And you know, again I

1566
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 8: think that's the other side of it, which we should

1567
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 8: also talk about, is that doing it is one thing,

1568
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 8: which again I denounced wholeheartedly, but coercing somebody to get

1569
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 8: that information out is so in my view not Okay, Yeah,

1570
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 8: that's interesting.

1571
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 2: Is one may ask, well, how did all this I mean,

1572
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 2: it's been over for a few years. Here you're talking

1573
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand messages. Wow, months, I guess they show

1574
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: twenty thousand message over seven months. That's a lot of

1575
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: information get dumped and all of a sudden somebody turns

1576
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 2: and says, hey, we've got all this stuff. That feels

1577
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 2: like the reason why someone would say this is because

1578
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 2: either they are outed or discovered, or someone had some

1579
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 2: information since and knew this was going on and basically

1580
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: wanted to expose in blackmail them in a way. Is

1581
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: that kind of what you're talking about.

1582
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, Again, that's the evidence that I've seen leads me

1583
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 8: to have that conclusion. Again, that legal Affidavid as well

1584
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 8: as you have some conversations I've had to have disease. Obviously,

1585
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 8: don't want to out anybody on there, you know, because

1586
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 8: I was able to kind of you know, conceal their

1587
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 8: identities for the purposes of the story and my reporting.

1588
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 8: But yeah, you know, it does really seem to me,

1589
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 8: like you know, of course the people that said it

1590
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 8: are are horrible in doing that. But again, I think

1591
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,839
Speaker 8: the blackmail that led to the release of these text messages,

1592
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 8: and that you know, in our digging, we found out

1593
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 8: that actually these text messages got out in August and

1594
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 8: there was effort within the GOP to you know, stem,

1595
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 8: if not completely, kind of nullify the release of these

1596
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 8: because it seems to me, again at least based on

1597
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 8: my reporting that I've done that it was really a

1598
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,919
Speaker 8: personally motivated attack from one individual to another. One individual

1599
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 8: described this, you know, kind of as a vendetta that

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01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 8: the person who either directly or indirectly you lead these

1601
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 8: messages was responsible for. And you know, again that kind

1602
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 8: of raises the question of you know, who do you trust,

1603
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 8: who do you trust to go out and have conversations with,

1604
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 8: because you never know when not a person might stab

1605
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 8: you in the back and release things.

1606
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1607
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 8: Again, of course I personally think that they should have

1608
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 8: never been said in the first place. But well, now

1609
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 8: is also pretty discossed.

1610
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: I think, Victoria Church, I think both things can be true.

1611
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 2: That this could be blackmail, that could be I don't know,

1612
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 2: maybe a relationship gone wrong and said hey, I got

1613
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: the goods on you and trying to hold someone hostage.

1614
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 2: That's that's criminal as well. But also that can be

1615
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 2: true the fact that the twenty thousand messages had a

1616
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: lot of vile things on there when you start talking

1617
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 2: about you know, calling Generation Z Generation icon and one

1618
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 2: staff or from a i think New York State and

1619
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: Assembly members chief of staff got fired for saying I

1620
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: love Hitler and then everyone votes know on this particular

1621
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: bill is going to the gas chamber, and there are

1622
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 2: far worse things in there that I can't repeat. And

1623
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: there's some threads you look at you go, wow, that's

1624
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: that's pretty harsh. But out of those twenty eight thousand,

1625
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 2: I'll back up a second, because I think that Assembly member,

1626
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: that chief of staff and others are going, well, I'm

1627
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: not even sure I said that. I think it might

1628
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 2: have been doctored or altered that some of the claims

1629
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,919
Speaker 2: going on. Is that revisionism or is there some possible

1630
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: basis in reality in that it sounds like we're going, No,

1631
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 2: that didn't really It sounds like my pillow guy kind

1632
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 2: of talk, you know what I mean.

1633
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 8: So I think the fact that he has taken responsibility

1634
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 8: for that is good. I also know that the way

1635
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 8: that those messages came out in that original political story

1636
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 8: is that, you know, I guess when you download a

1637
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 8: history of messages from telegram, they do not come out,

1638
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 8: you know, and kind of the way that they were

1639
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 8: portrayed in the story, or when you look at text messages,

1640
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 8: you know, between people, and so the actual images that

1641
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 8: we're in that political article are recreations and you know,

1642
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 8: I think they've been pretty forward about that. And you know,

1643
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 8: even an information that's come back since then, allegedly a

1644
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 8: text message leaks between the reporter that was working on

1645
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 8: this story and the individual you know again who I

1646
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 8: believe is responsible for getting this information out. You know,

1647
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 8: like I said, whether directly or indirectly, those actual images

1648
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 8: are recreations, and so I don't know it's out of

1649
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 8: twenty thousand messages if they are direct.

1650
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 3: Recreations, gotcha.

1651
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's probably parsing a little bit, going, well,

1652
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: these aren't the actual well, of course not, because the

1653
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,440
Speaker 2: graphics have to look better, and it's also being condensed

1654
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: for the reader. I mean, you read through twenty eight

1655
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: thousand messages. I'm not sure of all of them rose

1656
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 2: to the level of what we're talking about here. Probably

1657
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: most of it was pretty boring stuff.

1658
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And again you know, recreating text messages, it's

1659
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 8: the context of sital journalism is not in itself nefarious,

1660
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 8: like we've you know, actually on this geos Tex scandal,

1661
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 8: we did a follow up story that was told to

1662
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 8: me by a grassroots group at activin Virginia. They had

1663
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 8: been out get out the vote. Text message is about

1664
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 8: the Jjo's tex scandal to what they identified as a

1665
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 8: universe of soft Democrat voters, and they got death threats

1666
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 8: to the Republicans back to those Jajones text messages, and

1667
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 8: we did a story recreitting those responses that they got,

1668
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 8: so again kind of in itself out as the area

1669
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 8: and you know, yeah, yeah, we've recreated text messages. They've

1670
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 8: recreated text messages. It's just that nasty text messages.

1671
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: It's all.

1672
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 8: It's all, you know, there's definitely a lot of thinking

1673
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 8: to be done a bit.

1674
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you're highlighting the juicy parts of the novel,

1675
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 2: is what you're doing here. You're not you're trying to

1676
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: manipulate it or anything like that. You're just trying to

1677
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: cut to the chase, give me the story. Not all

1678
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand were bad, but certainly enough of them

1679
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: none to make this into a story. Do you think

1680
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 2: that the shutdown helps or hurts that the focus the

1681
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: narrative this? I mean, because the shutdown is such a story,

1682
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 2: does this overshadow what you're reporting here? Or is it

1683
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: the other way around? Because nothing's happening DC that people

1684
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 2: are paying attention.

1685
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 8: To this well, I will say from my personal bandwidth

1686
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 8: as a reporter that is typically on Capitol Hill, I've

1687
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 8: been report on this because I'm not covering day to

1688
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 8: day goings on on Capitol Hill. So you know, for

1689
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 8: me personally, I've been able to shift my attention to

1690
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 8: covering this. I think it is, you know, equally as

1691
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 8: important because you know, one is the now of our politics.

1692
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 8: One is the future of our politics or the US

1693
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 8: in Virginia. You know, ballants that are being cast for

1694
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 8: these candidates right now, and again see of these individuals

1695
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 8: that were involved in the Younger lookin Tech scandal, they

1696
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 8: also are people that serve in positions that are politically important,

1697
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 8: whether that's in their home states in New York or

1698
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 8: their places around the country. So, you know, in terms

1699
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 8: of national media attention, I'm not sure if they would

1700
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Speaker 8: have gotten that much, but in terms of importance, and

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Speaker 8: you know, kind of my background before I became reporter,

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01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 8: I actually worked in grass roots and so I've personally

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01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 8: always been of the mindset that what happens in grassroots

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01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 8: is very important for the future of our nation, for

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01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 8: the future of our country, and for the future of

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01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 8: both political parties, and so in my reporting, I actually

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01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 8: have a tendency to share those grassroots stories and not

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01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 8: many other reporters, particularly in DC, and you even actually

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 8: think is worth paying attention to. Sure And you know, again,

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 8: just just another quick note on that. Actually this political

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01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 8: story was done by two reporters out of New York.

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01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 8: So that's another insting fidbit that I kind of found,

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 8: is that, you know, it also concerns a lot of

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01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 8: things in DC nationally. But the reporter that kind of

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01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 8: interacted with this individual, who you know again I believe

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 8: is the alleged leaker, They are a New York political reporter.

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01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 8: And then the secondary reporter that was on that story

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 8: is the head of all of politicals covering port in

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01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 8: Euroa gotch out. You know again, I think those reporters

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01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 8: may have, you know, because they're not necessarily DP reporters,

1721
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 8: that story would have probably still come out, is at

1722
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 8: least my view.

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Victoria Churchill political report for Daily Mail. They broke

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01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: key details of the story. She also is a Young

1725
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 2: Voice contributor. During the show this morning about the text

1726
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: message scandal, Chris's conspective Claremont County Republican Dave Young's office

1727
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: where there's a swastika, an American flag with a stripture

1728
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 2: bet to form of swastka behind this end. The vigil

1729
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: caught on camera and that's in a staffer's office and

1730
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: he said, well, we're gonna investigate this and find out

1731
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: what's really going on, which tells me this is more.

1732
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: Let let's see which way the wind blows politically speaking,

1733
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: because that's how politics works. Victoria, looking forward, do you

1734
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 2: think the scandal is going to lead to change? And

1735
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: how maybe not the GOEP, but the Dems too, because

1736
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 2: it's not like there their poop doesn't stink in this either,

1737
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 2: not with this case, but on others is this Are

1738
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: we just going to get more of the same. I

1739
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: don't really feel like people are outraged over this.

1740
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, that's a good question. I started off

1741
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 8: the segment talking about how the rhetoric needs to be

1742
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 8: turned down on both sides. Well people actually do that,

1743
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 8: you know. I think that's a big question that remains

1744
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 8: to be seen. And you know, for me as a reporter,

1745
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 8: I'm very interested in reporting on the feature of this

1746
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 8: because again, a lot of these this runtors that I've seen,

1747
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 8: you know, again, even particulately about Jay Jones and not

1748
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 8: condemning him. I think as outwardly as some Democrats could

1749
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 8: have been should have been my personal view. I think

1750
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 8: to me that means that they learn nothing from the

1751
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 8: Charlie right, yeah, or the you.

1752
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: Know, anti Semitism with what's happening in the Middle East,

1753
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 2: and it's just you know that this is the latest scandal.

1754
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: Tomorrow maybe another Republican or or it might be a

1755
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 2: Democrat that's caught up in something, and you know, saying

1756
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: this is part of the edge lord culture. I understand that,

1757
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: and I wonder if these people really believe that are

1758
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: just doing it to be edgy and a chat group.

1759
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 2: But again, you've got to be smarter than putting your

1760
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: words down and telegram or whatever the the app of

1761
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: the platform is, because if somebody sees that a later date,

1762
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: well you're going to have what's going on right here, Victoria,

1763
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 2: all the best. Thanks for joining the show. I appreciate it.

1764
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, hop Yeah, the conversations you had were in

1765
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: defense when I understand that there's well it's online. You know,

1766
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 2: people are hiding by the keyboard. They never expected these

1767
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 2: things to But I'm sorry if you're calling yourself a

1768
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 2: future leader of America party being that stupid that and

1769
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 2: putting those words down. Even if you are j k

1770
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: they're going to turn that around and running out of

1771
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: town as well. They should. It's more of the stupidity

1772
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: is what it is, than anything, and also just the

1773
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: the nature of the conversations themselves are not only cringey,

1774
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: but extremely extremely wrong. For that matter, for anyone who

1775
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 2: professes their love of country, I want to lead this nation,

1776
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 2: even if they were just kidding. You're less than five

1777
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: minutes away from a full news update traffic, weather, and

1778
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 2: the very latest from here and around the world, of course,

1779
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: and then we we sat after that because our good

1780
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: friend Sarah les is in midweek sports. The Snort Reports

1781
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: is just ahead on seven hundred WLW.

1782
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 9: Oh my god, how about Dave your producer giving you

1783
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 9: a hard time?

1784
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're.

1785
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 9: Just trying to get around here without the boot and

1786
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 9: the scooter and the whole thing.

1787
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 2: It's it's it's almost I'm happy, it's all most noon.

1788
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: I'm happy. It's almost time to leave.

1789
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's almost time for me to get out of here.

1790
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 9: I got cyclones, media, I got the jersey on and everything.

1791
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 2: Like some sort of lace collar. You look like if

1792
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Judge Judy were going to a hockey game.

1793
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 7: I gotta make it a little sexy, a little lacey

1794
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 7: with my jersey today.

1795
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: You don't have a cut down the middle.

1796
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 7: You're disgusting.

1797
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 9: Do that around here. I can't do that around here.

1798
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 9: I can't look cute. You guys are all creeps.

1799
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 7: I'm covered up all the time. It's a bunch of

1800
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 7: weirdos around here.

1801
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a lot of creepture.

1802
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 7: I show no skin.

1803
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 9: I dress like a nun. Okay, I do I look

1804
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 9: like a nun around here? First of all, it's freezing.

1805
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: Instagram, it looks like she looks like it's it's only

1806
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: fans she comes in here. She's dressed like she's I

1807
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: don't Muslim or something like that. Got she got his

1808
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 2: job on. It's it's under.

1809
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 9: All you see every day are just my eyes.

1810
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: Share is here. It's a snort report on seven hundred

1811
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 2: ww we're already three snorts in. We haven't done anything yet.

1812
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: This is fair.

1813
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 7: It's one of those days.

1814
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Love it. I love it.

1815
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 9: Someone that we are seeing in about in Cincinnati Joe

1816
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 9: Flacco about the flack flack around what's he doing. Are

1817
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 9: we on the flack flat around and find out flack

1818
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 9: around and find.

1819
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: Out better get Flacco?

1820
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 7: I mean, the possibilities are endless. How do we filled off?

1821
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 7: I mean, do you have the Flacco fever?

1822
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: Because we optimistic, it takes a while for the fever

1823
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: to catch on. Let's let's get a track the fever.

1824
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 7: I got the fever one win and I'm in.

1825
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: All right, you got the fever for the flavor of

1826
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 2: a crowd pleaser. I get it now. On that regard,

1827
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 2: I know you can drop beats like that.

1828
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 7: He's been out and about. People have been running into him.

1829
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 9: Okay, grabbing coffee at her foods, he said, selfie.

1830
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: I love the fact that they got the Jets this week.

1831
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 7: I love that the worst team in the league.

1832
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Oh and seven careful because they were close a few times.

1833
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: And and I will say this, I'm not worried about

1834
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: the Jets. Seven. Teams are a little desperate. It's awfully

1835
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: tough to go winless in the National Football League.

1836
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 9: And they are desperate enough to take out their quarterback

1837
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 9: Justin Fields.

1838
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 7: Yes, looks like we're gonna be getting Tyrod Taylor.

1839
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: Ty Tyrod Taylor is still alive. Breaking news.

1840
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 9: He is Tyro Sale and another older gentleman bowl Icy Hunt.

1841
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: He was terrible with the Bills. That was years ago.

1842
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 7: And well he's just a little bit younger than me.

1843
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 7: So hold on a second.

1844
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fifty.

1845
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 7: Oh stop, that's you Tyrod Taylor.

1846
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 9: The Jets are expected to start him this weekend because

1847
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 9: Jets owner Woody Johnson said, Hey, offense and clicking, it

1848
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 9: takes seven games to figure it out.

1849
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 2: So get a guy older than Joe Flacco. This is

1850
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: two weeks in a row he's played someone older.

1851
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 7: Joe's like, bring him on.

1852
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: Incredible.

1853
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 9: Has Joe Flacco gone up against Tyrod Taylor before?

1854
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 7: Has he played with them?

1855
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 2: Had to?

1856
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 9: Joe's been on so many teams that I'm assuming that

1857
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 9: he's probably played with and played against him.

1858
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1859
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm just gonna say, yes, it's happened.

1860
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 2: And he'll get and he'll look like Tyrod Taylor is

1861
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 2: the reason why he's not the reason why he's tied

1862
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 2: back up. It's like, Okay, I'll do this next week.

1863
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fitzy, but.

1864
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:17,799
Speaker 7: Hey, desperate times.

1865
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:24,520
Speaker 9: Speaking of Joe Flacco, was on the Fits in Wit podcast.

1866
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 7: Okay and Joe goes.

1867
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 9: I know I'm forty years old, but the first couple

1868
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 9: of times I threw to Jamar and T I was.

1869
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 7: A little nervous.

1870
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.

1871
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 9: I guess Joe was a little a little intimidated by

1872
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 9: the best receivers in the league.

1873
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: It's amazing what you can do when you have tools, right.

1874
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 9: It's amazing when you've got those weapons out there and

1875
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 9: you can actually get.

1876
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 7: The ball to them.

1877
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 2: Come out. And again, I don't want to throw shade.

1878
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 2: It's what he did last week was fantastic.

1879
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,799
Speaker 7: They looked great, right, it was almost a flawless for months.

1880
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,759
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it going. Let's see, you got the Jets.

1881
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: I think that's a good gold be careful because and

1882
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 2: then he got the Bear trap a couple of trap games.

1883
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: You just gotta win each week now.

1884
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 9: And then you got the Bears again here at Pegor Stadium.

1885
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 7: But hey, the Bears are not bad.

1886
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Down with Joe Flacco, that's the guy we need, right

1887
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 2: the flo fever a fever. But I after let's see

1888
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: two three games, let's see what's going on here.

1889
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 9: When win this weekend, beat the Bears, be and then

1890
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 9: you got your bye week, and then you're.

1891
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 7: On the road at this slit.

1892
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 2: All your divisions split the Vision opponents right, maybe they

1893
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 2: lose to Pittsburgh, Okay, fine, Baltimore cleve Okay.

1894
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 9: He got two with Baltimore, right, And Lamar Jackson is

1895
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 9: coming back this weekend after his injury.

1896
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But again, that puts you in good shape.

1897
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 2: You gotta get the nine wins. I think they're like,

1898
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 2: I agree, there nine ten wins you're in.

1899
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 9: Don't count about and I don't think you can count

1900
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 9: the Ravens out yet either.

1901
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:50,520
Speaker 7: Still plenty of football.

1902
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: You'll look at Casey coming back from the dead, right,

1903
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 2: anyone can come back, anyone can come back, anyone.

1904
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 7: I'm glad that Tony Pike is back.

1905
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 2: Tony Pike is back, and graduate welcome back, Tony.

1906
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 7: It really is you just never know what's going to

1907
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 7: happen around here.

1908
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: If you have no idea, people come, people go, they

1909
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: come back. No one knows what's going on here. It's

1910
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 2: like aftabs run on this place.

1911
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 7: It's so accurate. Speaking of coming back.

1912
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 9: Aside from Tony Bike, we're gonna find out today at

1913
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 9: practice if Trey Hundrickson will be joining the team on Sunday.

1914
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 9: We know he was out last Thursday dealing with the

1915
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 9: bad back hip thing. So Zach Taylor during his press

1916
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 9: conference the other day said he's day to day. I'll

1917
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 9: let you know on Wednesday.

1918
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Too much pressure on Shamara to hold that whole thing

1919
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 2: together because he's hadn't played.

1920
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 9: But yeah, he went out Week two and then he

1921
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 9: was there against the Steelers injury. You saw Logan Wilson

1922
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 9: come back out for a little bit. What do you

1923
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 9: think about that drama? We talked a little bit about that.

1924
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Logan Wi.

1925
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1926
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if all the guys that you're going

1927
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 2: to bench, I don't know why Logan Wilson make an

1928
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: example of him. I he's one of your captains. I

1929
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: guess is happy.

1930
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 7: Zach wasn't happy with what he was saying.

1931
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 2: And there's other guys I look at.

1932
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,440
Speaker 9: Going Then he put the rookie out there CTB.

1933
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about CTB?

1934
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 9: Speaking of coming back, Joe Burrow, remember that guy?

1935
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 2: Huh who?

1936
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, just another Joe.

1937
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 9: According to Ian Rappaport, he's saying Joe could come back

1938
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 9: from that turf toe injury in the last few weeks

1939
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:29,839
Speaker 9: of that season.

1940
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 7: This is just what.

1941
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 9: I know, because getting everyone's hopes up, and I think

1942
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 9: that there were people thinking like, all right, I know

1943
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 9: that he is expected to be back mid December, but

1944
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 9: what are the exact details with this stuff? So it

1945
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 9: could be uh December twenty first when they go to

1946
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 9: Miami to face the dolphin.

1947
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 2: I just think he's at soft myself. I mean I

1948
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: went and had, you know, walking around that Joe Burrows

1949
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 2: soft peer a peer a paranal tendon tear, and I

1950
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,799
Speaker 2: just had my I just got my boot off yesterday,

1951
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And I'm not walking around doing nic stuff.

1952
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a line.

1953
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't have an O line around you.

1954
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: You fall to the ground, standing on ladders, plumbing, electrical painting,

1955
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I'm out there getting it done. Not

1956
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 2: all heroes older than Joe. So I'm just not saying.

1957
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 9: I'm just saying it is funny to me that the

1958
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 9: younger guys are the ones on the sidelines right.

1959
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 2: Now to.

1960
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 7: Completely with toes and what your tendon thing.

1961
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,759
Speaker 9: And then you got the old guys out there playing

1962
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 9: again exactly.

1963
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: Old guys are tougher Tyron and Joe. It's like old refrigerators.

1964
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 2: They don't make them like they used to. They break

1965
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 2: too often. Oh my goodness, Joe Flacco is a frigid

1966
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:48,799
Speaker 2: air from the fifties.

1967
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 7: I like Joe Flacco, and I think he's telling me

1968
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:53,839
Speaker 7: he leans into.

1969
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 9: The older guy thing, which again I'm only a few

1970
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 9: years younger than just talking about it.

1971
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 2: He's a little frigid. Frigid or refrigerators what it is?

1972
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 2: Not the cheap new ones where they break every three.

1973
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 7: No, it's the kind that you see in someone's garage.

1974
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the rounded front on it.

1975
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 9: And it's been there since literally the sixties. Yeah, and

1976
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 9: it's got like the bangel bites in there and the window.

1977
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 7: Keep that thing.

1978
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: But the thing is a tank. It's never gone, but.

1979
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 9: It'll never die. It'll never die, and you can always

1980
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 9: rely on it. And just when you think it's gonna die,

1981
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,919
Speaker 9: it comes back and everything's perfect.

1982
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Well, like seventy eight Buicks versus The's Teslas.

1983
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 9: Aside from all of that, did you know that Michael

1984
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 9: Jordan grew up as a Bengals fan?

1985
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: The Goat Michael Jordan, Michael.

1986
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 9: Jordan, Chris Collins word was on the Up and Adams

1987
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 9: podcast with our girl Kay Adams and it was brought

1988
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 9: up that he was at an event. I guess Chris

1989
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 9: was on an event with Michael Jordan and he was

1990
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 9: talking about he goes, yeah, grew up as a Bengals fan.

1991
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 9: I'm not sure if he's still cheered on the Bengals

1992
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 9: in my in my head, I'm going to say, yeah,

1993
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 9: Michael Jordan is cheering on Joe Flacco and the Bengals

1994
01:35:59,520 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 9: every sun.

1995
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 2: I guess he would have came up with the Super

1996
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,799
Speaker 2: Bowl USh Bengals, so maybe he got on the bandwagon.

1997
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,719
Speaker 2: Really are a really good team at that playing Carolina.

1998
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just wow, I don't know how you

1999
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: get to be a Bengal fan.

2000
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 9: Maybe a Bengals bandwagon because he was in Carolina, so yeah, yeah.

2001
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 9: I was like, Okay, this is what Chris Collinsworth told

2002
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 9: Kay Adams the other day and it was trending on

2003
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 9: social media.

2004
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 7: So I am bringing that teasally.

2005
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 2: Like Taylor Swift with Casey, is he come at all

2006
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 2: the games? I don't receive Michael Jordan instincy.

2007
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 9: You don't see Taylor Swift on the telecasts anymore.

2008
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 7: Notice how they haven't shown her.

2009
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 5: She's kind of busy, isn't she she's still at his

2010
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 5: games though, all right, but she said she wants to

2011
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 5: be hidden.

2012
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,839
Speaker 9: So now when she walks in, they've got these walls

2013
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 9: that they post up for and she walks behind them

2014
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 9: and nobody can see her, and they no longer show

2015
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 9: her on the broadcast.

2016
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,839
Speaker 2: The whole thing. Okay, it is a whole thing. Imagine

2017
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Juice is like a CBS Nixney, No go, don't chooke

2018
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Taylor and.

2019
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 7: The Chiefs are starting to chief again. I knew they would.

2020
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 2: You'll see her back again.

2021
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 7: Didn't count anybody out at this point.

2022
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 2: What else you got there, snorty.

2023
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 9: We've got soccer play offs here right around the corner

2024
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 9: on Monday night. It's going to be the Columbus Crew

2025
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 9: versus FC Cincinnati six forty five kick for that one.

2026
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 7: So they'll do a best of three.

2027
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 9: They'll play Wednesday, and then FCC will go to Columbus

2028
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 9: to play the Crew, and then if they need a

2029
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 9: game three, they'll.

2030
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 2: Come back back here. And since yeah, so FCC.

2031
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 9: Had more points than the Crew and that's why they'll

2032
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 9: start here, all rightfully, they can just go to and

2033
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 9: O and get to the next round.

2034
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 2: That was my question as a fan girl, would you

2035
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 2: rather see them go win here, lose there.

2036
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 7: No, just get it done. I hate it.

2037
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 9: It's like, let's not wait till the very last game.

2038
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 9: We see that happen way too often with our Cincinnati teams.

2039
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,799
Speaker 9: Ready tie, a little time to rest up to exactly exactly,

2040
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 9: I believe they can go all the way.

2041
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 5: Do you?

2042
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 9: I always believe the exactly I want to believe that

2043
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 9: with our Reds FCC Bengals.

2044
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 7: I mean, okay, can't count anybody out.

2045
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 2: Nope.

2046
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I said, we got our Cincinnati Cyclones back

2047
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 9: on home ice.

2048
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 7: That's on Friday night.

2049
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 9: It's Peanuts, so they're going to be wearing the specialty jerseys.

2050
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 2: They're mister Peanut with a monocle with peut moncle on

2051
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 2: the top, had.

2052
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 7: The Snoopy Peanuts Peanut. It's five to one, three nights.

2053
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 9: They've got five dollars Seltzers, craft Beers, one dollar popcorns,

2054
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 9: three dollars burgers, all kinds of good stuff going on.

2055
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's promotion seasons what it is.

2056
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 9: And I do want to promote my new show. I

2057
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 9: have my own time podcast. I know I've got my

2058
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 9: own time.

2059
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: What do you think you are? Adams? No, Wednesday. Adams,

2060
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 2: which what Adams? Are you? President Adams?

2061
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 7: Unfortunately none of the above.

2062
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got my own time slot on EBA now

2063
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 9: ten am to three pm every single Sunday. So I'll

2064
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 9: be cut short this weekend because of the Bengals. Don't

2065
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 9: we carry all of those? But y'all take your right

2066
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 9: into kickoff now?

2067
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 2: Actually live? Are you on tape?

2068
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 5: It is live because you know how we don't like

2069
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 5: to record things. We don't record anything killed if you do. Oh,

2070
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 5: and we're going to recognize lap at the game this weekend. Sure,

2071
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 5: we cannot forget about that. It's the Ring of Honor

2072
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 5: game on Sunday.

2073
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I think about the cyclones about Sorry, I'm all

2074
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:11,759
Speaker 2: over the place, steal.

2075
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 7: I've had to Alanis.

2076
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 9: Today to coffees y Ring of Honor, Ring of Honor

2077
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 9: game on Sunday. Do not forget about that.

2078
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 2: Deserves it for sure. I thought you I thought he

2079
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 2: should have been in the first class question. Oh yeah,

2080
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 2: between fifty years right Fronfield and being the voice of

2081
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: the bank. Mister Bengal is like that's the franchise, right, yeah.

2082
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 7: Ten years playing forty years on a mic.

2083
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: He's like, knucks all the knucks all of the Bengals is.

2084
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 9: He's truly incredible, So he deserves all of the recognition.

2085
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 7: You're going to be there and make sure to show

2086
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 7: him a lot of love.

2087
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 9: I think you should now still go from the booth

2088
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 9: to the field and then back up to the booth

2089
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 9: with Dan.

2090
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 2: When he and I guess they speak a little bit

2091
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 2: and say, you know, so when he's speaking, I guess

2092
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 2: they're going to bring Dan Horde to talk over the

2093
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 2: top of him.

2094
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, I knew you were going to put

2095
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 9: some joke in there.

2096
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 7: You're just so joky today.

2097
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 2: What about yourself? I love laugh thought he's awesome.

2098
01:39:58,400 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's great.

2099
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 9: So there's a lot going on over the next few

2100
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 9: days here in Cincinnati. So just be safe and behave

2101
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 9: like Teresa Thigisa.

2102
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 2: Gotcha, behave, be safe now. I noticed the new the

2103
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 2: season's clones jerseys there. Actually they have kavlarn them in

2104
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 2: case you're down on Fountain Square. You never know.

2105
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 5: Just behave.

2106
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 2: She's Sarah Elise, it's the Snort Report. She's exhausted. I

2107
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 2: am all the women around me just exhausted. I'm just

2108
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 2: tired of you.

2109
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 7: What's the denomination here?

2110
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 2: You just exhaust me, all right, appreciate you. Thanks again.

2111
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 2: Snort report Sarah lease Over on one of two seven

2112
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 2: e b N Scott Sloan with Bill Cunningham show coming

2113
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 2: up right afternoons here on the home of the best

2114
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Bengals coverage, in the home of.

2115
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 7: Dave Lapham and the home of Joe Flacco.

2116
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 2: Thank you. Seven hundred W al W