1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hey, thirty one Here fifty five KRSITY Talk station Daniel 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Davis Deep Dive. Find them where you get your podcast. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Just look for the Daniel Davis Deep Dive and tune 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: in every Tuesday at this time to hear what Daniel 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Davis has to say about matters involving warfare. Retire with 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: ten Colonel Daniel Davis, Welcome back to the fifty five 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: KRSE Morning Show. My friend's always wonderful having you on 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: my program. Oh ways, a pleasure to be here, Brian, 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: and thank God for people smarter than me, like Sean 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: who's covering for Joe, who got all this audio video 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: thing worked out. I was sweating bullets there. I thought 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: we'd had to default to a phone call and my 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: listening audience I am seeing retiredly ken of Colonel Daniel 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Davis visually as I do with Judge of Polatano on Wednesdays. 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: Is a really nice feature. And let us pivot over. 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: We've got like ninety ga jillion crises we could talk 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: about today, but I want to get your reaction to 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: the carrier group that's getting over. It is going to 19 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: be in the neighborhood of Iran here soon and the 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I guess rumors that the Iatola is now underground at 21 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: a bunker because he thinks he's going to get blown 22 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: up or some sort of venz Wayland like military action 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: is going to happen. What's your perception of all this is? This? 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Is this on the right track? Are we going off 25 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: rails here? Are we getting ourselves involved in something that 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: we're really not fully contemplating right now? 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: Daniel Davis, Yeah, I fear that the latter is probably 28 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: the case, because there is a substantial amount of combat 29 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: power in the region. It is now on station in 30 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: the sitcome area of responsibility. There were just before I 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: came on the show here. I saw that they were 32 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: publicly announced from osit On X. They track movement of ships, 33 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: the true move of air et cetera. And there were 34 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: US drones going through the Strait of Horror Moves to 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 2: do some reconnaissance there. It was mirrored by an Iranian 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: drone also going through the same area where they kind 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: of are doing reconnaissance of the same areas. It looks 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: like it's probably reasonable to assume that the ie Tolda 39 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: is in a bunker in Haden, not even just because 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: of Maduro, but because of what happened to Hassan Nazraala. 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: You know, he got out of his bunker, got into 42 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: a less protected bunker, and he was discovered and then 43 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: assassinated by the Israeli defense forces. So that's his bigger 44 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: issue there. But I'm part of the downside of being 45 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: successful with something like the Maduro case or the in 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Israla is that now then the opposite opponent knows how 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: to hide better and to protect himself. So if you 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: think it's going to be easy to go in and 49 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: get him like it was these other two, we're probably 50 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: gonna be disappointed. If we come in with all this 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: firepower that's on station here, and it's not just in 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: those ships but also on some of the land based 53 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: but air bases nearedby, we can do a lot of damage. 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: We can't win a war that way. And if you 55 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: go in and you just start blowing a bunch of 56 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: stuff up, that may feel good. But in this case, 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: and I think different than the previous iterations, Iran will 58 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: fight back and they will fire back with missiles that 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: we cannot intercept, Israel cannot intercept, and it could cause 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: profound damage. So we have to think this through really 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: really clear, and there better be. So I'm compelling reason 62 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: why we should start something that we may not be 63 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: able to finish well. 64 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: In spite of all the genocidal campaigns that we have 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: turned a blind eye toward over the many, many years. 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I think of Bill Clinton's regrets over I guess Somalia 67 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. We 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: didn't get involved in that one. The problem seems to 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: be this trip wire that Trump is obsessed with, and 70 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: I think with legitimate reasons he is. You know, he 71 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: does care about human life. They're murdering a lot of people. 72 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis numbers range all over the board. I've seen 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: as many as thirty thousand people have been murdered by 74 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: the Iranians, the protesters in the streets. I've seen recently 75 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: ten thousand or more somewhere in that fog of war 76 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: number that we're always looking for, a lot of people 77 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: are being gunned down and murdered for speaking. And that's 78 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: that's immoral. It does not provide Iran with a legitimate 79 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: of a legitimate face. You know, people can argue about 80 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: Palestine having rights and all that. At least there's some 81 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: sort of legitimacy to the argument that I don't think 82 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: you're on enjoys right now under the current crackdown. What's 83 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: your take on that. 84 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: Well, we also have to be open and honest and 85 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: recognize that the reason why the organic protests did start 86 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: around the twentieth twenty ninth of December is because of that. 87 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: We externally crashed their currency, which caused of a financial 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: panic inside because of the sanctions that we have hoisted 89 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: on them. On top of that, and then, according to 90 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Mike Pompeo, the Masade and probably the CIA and MI six, 91 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: we're both on the ground intentionally stirring things up. They 92 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: brought in supplies for people to protest. So we have 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: facilitated this from the outside. Whatever's going on inside, and 94 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: there's no question that there's a lot of it, this 95 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: genuine and organic, but we have put fuel to it 96 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: to make it bigger, in my view, probably to try 97 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: and justify going in there. But even if you look 98 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: at the surface of it, weather's going on in some 99 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: kind of other country that's bad, doesn't give us any 100 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: kind of authorization to coming in kill the regime. But 101 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, even if that's what we thought we 102 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: were going to do. It is nearly impossible with the 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: power package we have in there, and to try is 104 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: almost certainly going to get a lot of Israelis killed 105 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: and a lot of Americans in the region killed. And 106 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: you can't succeed. There's no militarily attainable military objective from 107 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: at least what's been shown so far, and I fear 108 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: that chances are high that we get sucked into a 109 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: war we should never fight and may not be able 110 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: to win. 111 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree with you on that. I 112 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: worry about their actors assume nuclear bomb, but we seem 113 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: to have kicked that can down the road for a 114 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: while anyway. But you know, I'm still struggling a given 115 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: that I'm a constitutionalist with the idea that Congress should 116 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: have some involvement in any military action on this level. 117 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: If you had to draw a parallel what you see 118 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: in the future, if we started dropping bombs on Iran, 119 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: would it look like Afghanistan we'd be stuck in a 120 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: quagmire for a decade or more. Or would it be 121 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: like Iran where we claim there's weapons of mass destruction, 122 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: we hang out there for multiple years and then just 123 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: pull out I mean, I'm just kind of wondering what 124 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: the future holds in store. 125 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 2: From your view, Listen, this would not be like either 126 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Iraq or Afghanistan. It would be much worse for us, 127 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 2: because unlike those two opponents, these guys actually have the 128 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: power to punch back hard. I mean, and they just 129 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: demonstrated it. They actually demonstrated, and I think it was 130 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen in Saudi Arabia that they had pinpoint accuracy 131 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: and that they can penetrate our even our patriot air 132 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: defense systems. And then they showed again in Israel in 133 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: June of last year during that twelve Day war, where 134 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: they were getting a lot of stuff through the entire 135 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: integrated systems of the era of the Iron Dome, the 136 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: David Sling all that stuff, the arrow systems, the thad everything. 137 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: They were getting stuff through at increasing rates toward the end, 138 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: which is one of the reasons we agreed to a ceasefire. 139 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: So Ever, that risk and vulnerability is still there and 140 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: it wasn't there any of the other time, so we 141 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: could actually get really pained, bloody nose reactions if we 142 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: strike here. This is not like those other cases. 143 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't we also be facing maybe kind of a 144 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: proxy war with their assisting with they're getting assistance from 145 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: perhaps Russia and China. 146 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's very unclear. It's not an automatic. Yes, 147 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: they both China and Russia have a lot of interest 148 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: in the regime not falling because obviously they have a 149 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: connections to the Middle East. They're China in particular has 150 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: oil substantial amount of oil that comes from there. They 151 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: certainly don't want to see that dry up. But they 152 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: also don't want to get into a shooting war with 153 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: the United States over something like that. Uh, they're they're 154 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: much better at saying, you know, we're gonna use indirect methods. 155 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: They'll they'll do things around the edges. I mean, you 156 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: can see what's some of the things that have happened 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: in Europe where you know, all of a sudden, these 158 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: factories are starting to catch on fire, and there's other 159 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: sabotage on rail lines, et cetera. So you'll see covert stuff. 160 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: I don't think you'll see anything big over just because 161 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: they don't want to get into a war or something 162 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: like that. 163 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Fair enough retarded the conductor with Daniel Davis, So let it 164 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: the country, whether on the vine as a consequence of 165 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: the sanctions that have been heat down upon them, even 166 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: though there are killing their citizens, that seemed to be 167 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: the best course of action, non military, and it is 168 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: obviously having some success. If their currency is failing, then 169 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna deal with economic problems and the people, being 170 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: very well overthrow their own government just simply because they 171 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: can't find something to eat. 172 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: Well, it could be, but again, and that seems to 173 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: be the intent of some on our side to say 174 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: that we want to destroy the regime. But I'm just 175 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: telling you, even if you quote succeed, the fallout is very, 176 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: very difficult to control. And it's very rare indeed that 177 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 2: you have a regime change that you force from the 178 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: outside that ends up being better either for the people 179 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: that we claim to want to help or for our side. 180 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: It usually brings more chaos and you have no idea 181 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: who's going to come in after that. They could be 182 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: worse And I saw that myself the many deployments in 183 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: the Middle East. 184 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get something worse than the currentiatola. Wow, 185 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: that's food for thought right there, Daniel Davis. Real quick, 186 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: since we're almost almost out of time, if not out 187 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: of time, but I'm willing to go a little bit. 188 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: Look just the quick synopsis of Russia Ukraine. I saw 189 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: a headline. Let me just read the headline, Ukraine War briefing, 190 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: Security agreement one hundred percent ready to be signed. Zelenski says, 191 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like the situation on the ground right now. Daniel, Yeah. 192 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: The only thing is you don't hear anything from the 193 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: American side that we're one hundred percent agreement. We're just 194 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: looking for a signing date. Meanwhile, you have almost no 195 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: power in the capital city. Hundreds of thousands are fleeing 196 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: because they cannot eat or stay warm. Doesn't look like 197 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: the definition of victory or that we're getting close to 198 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: a negotiated settlement to me. 199 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Davis every Tuesday here beginning at a thirty The 200 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: Deep Dive Daniel Davis Deep Dive Online wherever you get 201 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: your podcast. Hey brother, thanks very much, man. I always 202 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: appreciate your thoughtful analysis and keeping us real if you 203 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Man, look forward and seeing you 204 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: next time next week A forty Right now, if you 205 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: have karse the talk to station the Cervical Cancer Awareness Month, 206 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from doctor Tomby Josie from OHC learn 207 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: about cervical cancer. It's important to know about it, get 208 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: ahead of it, and prevent it from taking hold. We'll 209 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: do that coming up next. 210 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: This is fifty five KARC and iHeartRadio station.