1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, al As we change topics here 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: at the top of the ten o'clock on a Friday night. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: Going to be kind of a chilly weekend here in 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: New England. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: We got a taste of spring a few days ago, 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: but that's gone away, at least for a while. A 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: few days ago, we had a very interesting guest on 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: during our eight o'clock hour. His name is Carrie Lutz. Carrie, 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: you're an attorney if I'm not, if I recall correctly, 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: and you're down in Florida. 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, I'm actually America's top recovering attorney. 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: We're top recovering attorney. Okay, I think I've met some 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: other recovering attorneys. I happen to be an attorney. I'm 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: still practicing, so I'm still trying to get good at it. 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: You've written a book, America's Great Parking Scam. You've been robbed, 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: and I really thought that that this conversation we had 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: a week or so ago, which in the eight o'clock 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: hour is limited to between you and me for about 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: seven eight nine minutes, I needed to be given more 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: oxygen more airtime. 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: So I'm glad that you're here tonight. 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: And for those who didn't hear you before, let's talk generally, 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: what are you What are you talking about? You're talking 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: about and you use your own words, But for my 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: recollection was you're talking about the process by which all 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: of us have our pocket picked many times during the 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: course of a year to park our trustee Steed, our car, 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: either in a parking lot somewhere or at a parking meter. 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: And as time has gone on, those meters have become 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: more and more complicated, and for many of us, more 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: and more frustrating. You're gonna tell us a lot better. 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: You're gonna put it in better words than I have. 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: But hopefully I'm fairly close to remembering what we talked 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: about about a week and a half ago. 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: Pretty close. So. Originally, parking meters were created by some 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: guy in Oklahoma City and in the thirties, and it 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: was called the parka Mattic, and his purpose was a 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: very noble one, which was you time the person at 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: the curb. They put a nickel in and they got 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: an hour, or they put in a diamond, they got 42 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 4: two hours, and that way it turned over the spaces, 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: so people who were looking to shop in the local 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: merchants they could get spaces. It turned over the spaces. 45 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 4: The merchants liked it, everybody liked it. But it grew 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: into what I call the parking industrial complex, and its 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 4: sole purpose is to extract funds from an unsuspecting public, 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 4: feed the public purse, and feed the private interests. And 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: it's turned into this tech robotic money taking machine that 50 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just out of hand. You know, in Boston, 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 4: interestingly enough, when they scan your license plate to give 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: you a ticket or to check your time, to see 53 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 4: if your license has your parking has expired, they run 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 4: it against the expired inspection sticker database. To see if 55 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: your inspection sticker has expired, they run it through the 56 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: registration database. So just for parking your car, you can 57 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: wind up with hundreds of dollars of tickets. I'm not 58 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: sure yet in Boston if they do, if they're checking 59 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: for laps in. 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: We just lost him. Okay, let's let's try to re 61 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: establish dan our relationship. He was just getting wound up. 62 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: We are talking with Carrie Lutz. He's a lawyer, and 63 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: as oftentimes happened with lawyers, they get frustrated with something 64 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: about our system. 65 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 5: Uh. 66 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: And he's written this book, America's Great Parking Scam. You've 67 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: been robbed. Uh. 68 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: He refers to himself as a recovering attorney. 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 70 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: And he he's he's an interesting individual. I hope we 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: have not lost him for for the balance of the evenings, 72 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: he backed in. 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: Okay, we lost you there. 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: I think the the parking gremlins were working against you. 75 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: I view this, by the way, Kerry, uh just I 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: was recapping for the audience there. I view this as 77 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: a revenue stream for government that they they some someone 78 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 2: along came along and said, you know, we're not maximizing 79 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: this revenue stream, this parking meter stream. As I mentioned 80 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: to you in Boston, in most places downtown for a quarter. 81 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: You know, when you say nickel gets you an hour. 82 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: Now again, that's in the nineteen thirties, and this inflation, 83 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: a quarter now gets you four minutes. 84 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: So if you start to do that much, yeah, right, if. 85 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: You start to feed quarters into the machine, you got 86 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: to feed fifteen quarters in there to get sixty minutes. 87 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: And I guarantee you by time you've fed fifteen quarters in, 88 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: your meat is already down to about fifty six minutes. 89 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: And of course, if you're juggling and they're falling in 90 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: the gutter or in the snow, they're gone. Here in 91 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: Boston we have a lot of snow, they're gone. 92 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: Forever. 93 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: I get frustrated with the QR code parking circumstances. It 94 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: just seems that in order not to get scammed, they 95 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: make you up your game, if you know what I'm saying. 96 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: Well, you know, back in the good old days, they 97 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: were limited to charging you however much change you had 98 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: in your pocket. Now the only limitation is the credit 99 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 4: limit on your credit card. You know, they couldn't charge 100 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: you five bucks an hour because you need twenty quarters. 101 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: And now you just scan and pay, or as I 102 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: call it, scan the scam. And so things have changed 103 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 4: a lot for sure. 104 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: Well this I don't know how it is, you know, 105 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: in other cities, because when I go to other cities, 106 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: I'm using an uber or a taxi, cab or walking. 107 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: I don't bring my card. I wouldn't bring my catch 108 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: a car to New York on a VET because the 109 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: park it overnight in New York is likely one hundred 110 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars. Now, if you if you're lucky, but 111 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: they are trying to maximize They're trying to get their 112 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: hands in our pockets as drivers. I believe that this 113 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 2: is an assault on the the internal combustion engine upon automobiles. 114 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: We've had fights up here in Boston and in all 115 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: the suburbs with these inane bike lanes where they just 116 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: want to turn major roads into bike lanes. I mean, 117 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: you know they well, first they start with a bike 118 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: line on a bike lane on one side of a 119 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: one way street. Then they have bike lanes going on 120 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: the other side of the street in the opposite direction. 121 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: And then they they're not going to lose their meters. 122 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: They move the meters, you know, into these situations where 123 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: you have to scan a QR code and then you 124 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: have to somehow figure out who you're paying for, Which 125 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: parking space are you paying for? Is this part of 126 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: the scams as you've as you've described it in your book. 127 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: Well, I mean yeah, like in New York, they don't 128 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: want you, they don't want you driving, you know, they 129 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 4: want you out of your car taking mass transit so 130 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: that you know, there's not too much carbon dioxide in 131 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: the air for the greenhouse effect or whatever it is 132 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: on the other hands, But on the other hands, New 133 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: York City is the Kuwait of parking tickets. Last year 134 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: they gave out close to a eleven million of them. 135 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: And then they're also using cameras to take pictures of 136 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: you in the bus lane, speeding through school zones, and 137 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: whatever else exactly. So you know, it's a multi billion 138 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 4: dollar grift. So they just want the money. And they 139 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: say that they don't want you in your car, but 140 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: they say they don't want you smoking cigarettes, but that 141 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: doesn't stop them from having eight dollars a pack tax 142 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: on your cigarette. 143 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: They loved the revenue what they do have in New York. 144 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 2: I guess already adopted it as they I think London 145 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: invented it where they said, well, we have an area 146 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: downtown where if you want to go into that zone 147 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: downtown anytime between seven in the morning and seven at night, 148 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: which of course is where you have to go. If 149 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: you want to go see your lawyer, want to go 150 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: to the CPA, maybe want to go downtown and do 151 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: some shopping at it, whatever, you have to pay twenty 152 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: dollars or thirty dollars just to enter that area, that 153 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: area of downtown. I believe that that idea started in 154 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: London Town back across the Atlantic, and we fought against 155 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: unjust taxation here in Boston many many years ago, and 156 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: now they are exporting their unjust taxation, taxation without representation 157 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 2: on automobile drivers. Let me do this if I can carry. 158 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: I got to take a quick break. Speaking of revenue streams, 159 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: they got to make a little bit of money for 160 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: our amimedias. So I don't know what happened to your phone, 161 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: but I hope you got it plugged in and it 162 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: doesn't die on us, because I want to be able 163 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: to have people share experiences their parking experiences, not only 164 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: in Boston, but in other ports of call around the country. 165 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've done any sort of 166 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: a study as in the cities that are particularly egregious 167 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: in their verse and regulations, and maybe there's a couple 168 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: of cities where they actually are treating people who happen 169 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: to drive into their city as they would treat human beings. 170 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: We'll take a break. My guest is Carrie Lutz. His 171 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: book is America's Great Parking Scam. And I think most 172 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: of us in Boston and in most major cities will 173 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: find something in that book that they would like. If 174 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: you'd like to ask carry a question or two, you're 175 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: more than welcome or joined the conversation. So they say 176 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: the book is America's Great Parking Scam, with a subtitle 177 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: of You've been robbed by attorney and whole host media 178 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: host carry a lot six one, seven, two, five, four, 179 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. 180 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: If you're very happy with what had cost you to 181 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: park in Boston or wherever you happen to work, we'd 182 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: love to have you share why why it's so good, 183 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: if you're happy with the traffic congestion in Boston or 184 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: wherever you happen to be. Our show is heard across 185 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: the eastern half of the United States over terrestrial radio 186 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: and of course on the internet just about anywhere in 187 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: the world. Love to if you joined the conversation. It's 188 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: a Friday night. We try to lighten it up a 189 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: little bit. We will go to the eleven o'clock hour, 190 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: our twentieth hour of the week, being on Monday through 191 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: Friday from eight until midnight through the math five nights 192 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: times four hours, that's twenty hours. The twentieth hour of 193 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: the week. Tonight we will talk about your fear of 194 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: the number thirteen trusc I think it's called tresca decaphobia. 195 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: I'll double check that before the eleven. Give carry a 196 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: call six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six one, seven, nine, 197 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: three one, ten thirty. It is tough to be a 198 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: driver and to own a car, much tougher than it 199 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: was ten years ago or twenty or dare I say thirty. 200 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: The rules of the road now are get off the road, 201 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: but before you do, give us a bunch of money. 202 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: Back on Nightside right after. 203 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: This, It's Nightside with Dan Rad Boston's news Radio. 204 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: My guest is Carrie Lutz. 205 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: He's written a book, America's Great Parking Scam. Carrie, Is 206 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: there a pattern in your experience as to whether it's 207 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: big cities mid size cities. I mean, every city in 208 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: America is looking for more revenue and more revenue streams. 209 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: Is there a regional aspect to this that cities are 210 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: part of the country and you're part of the country, 211 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: are relying more on the deep pockets of automobile drivers. 212 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 4: I would say that if there's an issue that bridges 213 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 4: the political divide, it's parking. It doesn't matter if it's 214 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 4: a red city or a blue city. They want your money. 215 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 4: And what's interesting the people that oppose it. It also 216 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: crosses all political divides. Everyone hates this parking grift. And 217 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: so yeah, there are like towns in Florida that don't 218 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 4: charge for parking because they have so much revenue pouring 219 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: in the door because everybody from the Northeast is moving 220 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: down here, sales booming. So a lot of the cities 221 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: don't even need it. Like the town of Palm Beach, 222 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: where our president lives, they don't need any parking. They've 223 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 4: got one hundred and twenty five million dollar budget. I 224 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: think there's fifteen thousand people in the town. It's not 225 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: really that they need it. They're just using it to 226 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: try to keep people out and reduce the traffic, and 227 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: to some extent, I think they've been effective in it. 228 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: You know, different towns cities do it for different reasons. 229 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: Even if they have a lot of money. Have you 230 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 4: ever heard of a city or a town that said, 231 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: we have too much money, we don't want anymore, and 232 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: we're going to give it back to you. 233 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: They will always find a way too. They will always 234 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: find a way to spend it, that is for sure. 235 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: So the other thing that I see developing is that 236 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: we now have all the cameras, which can be good 237 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: for public safety if they're looking to follow someone who's 238 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: a criminal and has escaped from a bank and has 239 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: robbed a bank. But you have situations now where people 240 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: get tickets in the mail which in which they will 241 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: be accused of having parked illegally, you know, one hundred 242 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: miles away, and they will heel and go to a 243 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: clerk magistrate or go to the registerry motor vehicles to 244 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: try to get their you know, their license renewed or 245 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: their registration renewed. And of course that's a whole nother story, 246 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: all the fees you have to pay for everything, But 247 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: we'll leave that alone. And they'll be told, well, you 248 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: have an unpaid parking ticket from nineteen seventy three, one 249 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: hundred miles away. And you say, wait a second, I 250 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: was born and it doesn't matter. It says here that 251 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: your car, your license plate was in this was with 252 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: and there obviously is a mistake. They will make you 253 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: go to the local jurisdiction to get that parking ticket 254 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: expunged before they then will allow you to reregister your 255 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: car or get your license, so they use it as 256 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: as leverage to to they won't admit that their meter 257 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: a person might have made a mistake. Is that the 258 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: common practice in other states besides Massachusetts or we'll yeah. 259 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, more and more states have a New York's had 260 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: it for years. I think New Jersey has it where 261 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: they can suspend your license or your renewal of your 262 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 4: registration of your vehicle if you have outstanding tickets. But 263 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 4: in Florida there's even cities that have outsourced enforcement. You 264 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: never even go to a court or anything else. You 265 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: go to a judicial portal and there's some algorithm and 266 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: maybe there's a human being on the other end who's 267 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: determining whether your ticket is valid or not. And you 268 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 4: don't even get to go to courts, and there's so 269 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: much for due process there. But one thing, no matter 270 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: where you're getting your tickets, I guarantee you there's a 271 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: very high likelihood that the signs that are supposed to 272 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 4: give you notice are defective. And they're defective in many ways, 273 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: Like these signs are supposed to have what's called in 274 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: federal parlance retro reflectivity, which means they glow in the 275 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: dark when you're there, so you can see them nighttime 276 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 4: or daytime. Well, we have a saying here. If the 277 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: sign don't glow, the ticket doesn't go and or the 278 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: ticket's got to go. So that's like one little thing 279 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: that you can use if that thing doesn't glow in 280 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: the dark. Another thing is the signs. Red signs white 281 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 4: background red lettering means no parking, a green sign meaning 282 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 4: white background green lettering, and they both have borders. The 283 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: green ones have a green border around it. The red 284 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 4: ones have a red Red means no parking, restrictive parking, 285 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 4: green means permissive parking, two hour parking. It's got to 286 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: have the hours of enforcement Monday through Friday nine to five, 287 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 4: the same with the other one. Or it could say 288 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 4: no working anytime, or it could just say two hour parking, 289 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 4: and then it's got to say pay on it. These 290 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: are mandated by federal law. Every state has adopted this. 291 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 4: It's called the MUTCD, the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. 292 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: A sign, a parking sign, a stop light, a stop sign, 293 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: even the line markings on the street are traffic controlled 294 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: devices and they must conform to the Federal Highway Administration's standards, 295 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: and if they don't, the ticket is the sign is 296 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 4: not valid noticed, no due process ticket gets tossed. Three 297 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: to four percent of New York City's ten million eleven 298 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 4: million tickets per year get challenged. Of that number, thirty 299 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 4: five to forty five percent get tossed, usually because of 300 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 4: the signage. Those cities are knowingly using legal signage to 301 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 4: trap you into tickets. They're confusing signs, a lot of them, 302 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 4: they're apps, all these things. 303 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: I saw a funny I saw a funny video earlier today. 304 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: It was I think it was a setup video, but 305 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: chose a police officer approaching a woman who's parked at 306 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: a at a sign and. 307 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: He said, ma'am, why do you park here? 308 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: And she said, well, you know, I read the sign 309 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: and the sign said parking fine. And she said, I 310 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: thought that man, it was fine to park, And of 311 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: course the police officer laughed. The point is, I think 312 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: it was a setup, but a lot of the signs 313 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: aren't confusing. I got to take a quick break for 314 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: a news for a quick newscast here, Kerry, we'll be 315 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: back on the other side. You're going to talk with 316 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: one of Boston's premiere lawyers who's concerned about issues like 317 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: due process for sure, a civil libertarian, great lawyer. Harvey 318 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: So glad to join us right after the break. If 319 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: you'd like to get in line six one seven, two, five, 320 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 321 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: If you have a parking ticket horror story, we would 322 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: really love to hear from you. You know, I do 323 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: these topics to give people an opportunity to kind of 324 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: get it off their chest. 325 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so feel free to join the conversation. 326 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: We will change topics at eleven o'clock when we go 327 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: to the twentieth hour six one seven, two, five, four 328 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 329 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: Coming right back on Nightside talking with Carrie Louts America's 330 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: Great Parking Scam, And it really is when you when 331 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: you understand what has happened and where we are today with. 332 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 3: How it once was in this country. 333 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, parking is fine, but the way it 334 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: is now being abused, I don't think it's fine. Because 335 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: the title of the book, America's Great Parking Scam. You've 336 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: been robbed by Carrie Lutz. Back on night Side right after. 337 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, 338 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 339 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 3: We're talking with Kerry Lutz. 340 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: He's the author of a book called America's Great Parking Scam, 341 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: You've Been Robbed. He is a lawyer, as is my 342 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: friend Harvey Silverglade. Harvey joins us tonight, Harvey Lutt. Harvey 343 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: Silverglate say, how to carry lutch? 344 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 5: Hi? Hi, Kerry? 345 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: Hey, how you doing? Harvey? 346 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 5: Well, I'm doing pretty well because I don't have an automobile. 347 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 3: Harby is a denizen of Harvard Square, So. 348 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 5: I live in the Harvard Square area of Cambridge was 349 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 5: just clared with cars. There were more cars than parking 350 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 5: spaces and Cambridge and a few years ago I decided 351 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 5: it wasn't worth it. I got rid of my car, 352 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: and my son and daughter live in Manhattan in the 353 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 5: Upper West Side. They don't have a car. They have 354 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 5: two young kids who they have taught to use the 355 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 5: subway system to go to school, and they use the 356 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 5: subway to go to school. They do not have a 357 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 5: car because Manhattan is impossible. And so I think the 358 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 5: answer to this is to try to discourage people who 359 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 5: live in cities from having cars and having them use 360 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 5: mass transit. Now, New York happens to have a much 361 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 5: better subway system than we have because they have two 362 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: lines going in every direction. 363 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 4: We have one. 364 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 5: So when there's a there's a jam up on the MBTA, 365 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 5: they have to take use buses. But in New York 366 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 5: they never have to use buses because there is a bypass. 367 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 5: If there's a there's an error. So my suggestion is 368 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 5: that we try to figure out how to discourage the 369 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 5: use of cars in the cities. If I was not 370 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 5: a civil libitarian, I would say ban them, but I 371 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 5: will not say that because I do believe that it's 372 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 5: an individual choice. 373 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: Well, Harvey, this is Dan. 374 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: You and I are great friends, and this is one 375 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: I'll disagree with you on for a couple of reasons. 376 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: You have the ability to practice law very successfully in 377 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: in in Cambridge, and a life without a car works 378 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: for you. But boy, there's a lot of people in 379 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: our world who live in parts of the Greater Boston 380 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: area or parts of any city who have to get 381 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: in and and and practice law. Now, they can spend 382 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: time on the on the MBTA, or they can spend 383 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: time in the New York subway system. But occasionally you 384 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: see some of the videos from the New York subway system, 385 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: and it can be dangerous and sometimes even. 386 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: A scary just even just a scary place. 387 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: And I believe that I'm surprised that my friend, the 388 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: ultimate civil libertarian in Harvey Silverglade would not find him 389 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: on the same side of the issue as you here, Carrie, 390 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: What say you, Gary? 391 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, there are a lot of people 392 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: that live far out of New York City and there's 393 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 4: no good mass transit available, or they work late at night, 394 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 4: and taking the New York City subway at two in 395 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: the morning is taking your life into your hands. You know, 396 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: people get lit on fire, they get tossed on the tracks. 397 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: Not that it happens every day, but it happens. There's 398 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: enough violence on the subway that if you have the means, 399 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 4: you want to avoid it. Also, you could have a 400 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 4: job where you need to go to multiple places that 401 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 4: aren't all served by mass transit. So the idea of 402 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 4: banning cars is not such a it doesn't work for everyone. 403 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 4: But instead they make it so that only the wealthiest 404 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 4: can have cars. And you know, between parking costing sixty 405 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 4: dollars a day, you know, you could park a seven 406 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 4: twenty seven or seven forty seven at Kennedy Airport for 407 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 4: less money. Well, it's just become a giant grift. Look, 408 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: they the idea of keeping traffic out of the city 409 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: is a pretext for soaking motorists. It's not their true aim. Yeah, 410 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 4: there's some purists in there that work for the Department 411 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 4: of Transportation and believe it would be a wonderful world 412 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: if only we didn't have cars. But the fact is 413 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: it's a grift. It's a way to separate people from 414 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: their harder dollars and say, oh, but we're doing it 415 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 4: for your own good, because then it'll be a greener world. 416 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is, because the country's 417 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 4: success is built in large part on the automobile, they 418 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: to be mobile, to be able to move from place 419 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 4: to place freely without having to consult to some bureaucrats 420 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 4: timetable for when you should be allowed to come and go. 421 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: I want to ask a question, right. 422 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 5: As a civil libertarian, I am opposed to banning cars 423 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: or having, you know, such huge fees that the people 424 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 5: who can't afford them have to have to go without them. 425 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 5: But I do think that we should focus on improving 426 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 5: mass transit to the point where it's actually useful, very useful, 427 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 5: and inexpensive, as I said, And the Manhattan subway system 428 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 5: is not bad at all. My grandchildren use it to 429 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 5: go to school them back, am I sending you to 430 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 5: go to work again? 431 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 3: It can work for for some people. Harvey. 432 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: Let me ask you as a civil libertarian, and this 433 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 2: is true because I've known cases like this. 434 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: A parking enforcement officer makes a mistake. 435 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: And and writes a parking ticket on some car and 436 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: it's not the correct They've somehow mixed up one of 437 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 2: the numbers. And the person who unfortunately receives a ticket 438 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: in a city like let us say North Adams, and 439 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: they've never been to North Adams. When they go to 440 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: renew their license or their registration, they're told that they 441 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: have to clear that up. And I know for a 442 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: fact that there were many circumstances where people had to 443 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: physically drive to North Adams in order to convince some 444 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: clerk or a magistrate that the ticket was issued improperly. 445 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 2: This you know, as a civil libertarian, I assume you 446 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: would realize that there is a bas within. I think 447 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: most governments today they want bike lanes, they wanted they 448 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: want to discourage people from using cars. You're you're phrasing 449 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: it encourage people to use mass transit, which is obviously 450 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: a very positive spin on it. 451 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: But there's so many. 452 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: Attacks on people motorists again, whether it was going to 453 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: North Adams to clarify a ticket where they never had 454 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: never had been, but they have to rectify the mistake 455 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: of some parking person. Do you do you recognize that 456 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: there is a real attack on on the the driving 457 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: public in very subtle ways. 458 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: Yes, damn that story you just told it happened to me. 459 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: I can go ahead. 460 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 5: It was one of the reasons I decided to give 461 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 5: up my car. 462 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: It worked, I rest, I rest my case. 463 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: That's great, I love it. 464 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: I have never I have never won an argument with 465 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: my friend Harvey. 466 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: So glad. 467 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: That's right. 468 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: Well, Harvey is always yeah, go ahead, Harvey. I got 469 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: to give you a final word. You go right ahead. 470 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 5: It's just that I have become a nails transfer person. Oh. 471 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 5: I mean, I've been much happier and I'm saving a fortune. 472 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 4: I'm happy, Harvey. Thank you. 473 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: Harvey is one of my closest, closest friends, both personally 474 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: and professionally, and there's no better lawyer that I know 475 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: that I've ever seen in a court of law than 476 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: my friend Harvey Silver Glad. Harvey is always have a 477 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: great have a great weekend. Okay, yep, all right, thanks 478 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: so much, Henery. We're gonna take a break. I got 479 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 2: some more callers. We'll get them for you. Six one, seven, two, five, four, 480 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine three. 481 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: One ten thirty. 482 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm I'm so happy, I'm almost crying that that maybe 483 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: Harvey was the one that told me that story. 484 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 5: I had no IDEA. 485 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: Night Side with Carry Lutz, the author of America's Great 486 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: Parking Scam, and that's what it is. You've been robbed 487 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: in so many ways. Get his books so you can 488 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: you can defend yourself in court. Back on Nightside right 489 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: after this, I got Monty in Maynard, and I got 490 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 2: room for you if you'd like. Six one seven, two, five, 491 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: four to ten thirty six one seven, nineth pre one 492 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: ten thirty. 493 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZ 494 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: Boston's news Radio. 495 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: Back to the calls from my guest, Kerry Lutz, author 496 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: of America's Great Parking Scam, Monty in Maynard. 497 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: Hey, Monty, welcome, to night Side. You're all with Carrie 498 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 3: Lutch right ahead, sir, very. 499 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 6: Good, good evening, gentlemen. I heard I tuned in, and 500 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 6: I heard the subject matter, and I had to call 501 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 6: in with a story from way back when my friend 502 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 6: Dave Maynard, probably back in seventy three or seventy four, 503 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 6: he received a ticket in the city of New York 504 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 6: based on his license plate which turned out to be 505 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 6: registered or attached to an air compressor. 506 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: Now, he drove a really good looking air compressor, if 507 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: I recall that one. 508 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a blue Cadillac was the last one 509 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 6: I think. Anyways, that air compressor he talked about at 510 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 6: that time. I think he was doing overnight, you know, 511 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 6: he was on eleven to six am or something, and 512 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 6: so he talked about it on the air and received 513 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 6: hundreds of phone calls about the subject better you folks 514 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 6: are talking about. So he rented a greyhound bus and 515 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 6: he brought probably one hundred and thirty people on that 516 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 6: big greyhound to New York City with a cannon and 517 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 6: then they put a light load and they stuffed it 518 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 6: full of the parking tickets, took it down to the 519 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 6: city Hall and fired it off to the front steps. 520 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: Friend. 521 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 6: You could never do that today, and you really couldn't 522 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 6: do it then either, But it was a more forgiving time, 523 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 6: especially for a guy like Dave. 524 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 2: It was a different it was a different world back then. 525 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: You would be you would be facing charges of terrorism. 526 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: It would the list would go on and on. 527 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, several SWAT teams would show up. 528 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: No question, Manty. Thanks for listening to Night Side. I 529 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: don't know if ever had the pleasure of hearing you 530 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: on my show. 531 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 6: We haven't spoken for a few years, but I did 532 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 6: call in a few years back. We have some acquaintances 533 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 6: in common, but I heard this subject matter. And of 534 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 6: course I've been a resident of Massachusetts for seventy three years, 535 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 6: so I have stories about Florida tickets and New York 536 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 6: tickets and even Boston Municipal court, but I won't tell 537 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 6: them now. I just thought i'd bring some humor to. 538 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: Love Love the story. Thanks very much, perfect for a 539 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: Friday night, Monty. Don't be a stranger. I have lots 540 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: of friends in Medford two and I think I probably 541 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: know some of the people you're talking about, and I. 542 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 4: Hope good to talk to you. 543 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 6: Gentlemen. Thank you for your entertainment. 544 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: All right, thanks Mondy. Let's go next to Steve and Boston. 545 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: Steve, you are on with Kerry Let's, author of America's 546 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: Great Parking Scam. 547 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Steve Hi. 548 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 7: I just got a quick story Terry might like. I 549 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 7: used to park in a dead spot which wasn't somehow 550 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 7: neither town. It was right on the border their town 551 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 7: really claimed it as their own somehow in their records. 552 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 3: Which two times did you take advantage of? 553 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 7: Uh? Newton and Watertown? 554 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: Okay, and uh exactly what? 555 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 4: And uh a jurisdictional dispute. 556 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 7: Well, no, I would park my car in a spot 557 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 7: where there was really no sign about no parking, but 558 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 7: somehow I would get a ticket. Every now and then 559 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 7: I would take the bus or the tee from there, 560 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 7: and I'd get a ticket from Watertown and I would say, no, 561 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 7: this is Newton. Or sometimes I'd get a ticket from 562 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 7: Newton and I'd say, no, this is Watertown. And I 563 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 7: always get off on the ticket. I got a free parking. 564 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 4: Uh. 565 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 7: You know for years, this is many many years ago. 566 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 2: Well you know now now they would get you because 567 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 2: they would say, well, we have a two hour limit, 568 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: and they chalk your tires to find, you know, and 569 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 2: they make an note of when they chalked your tires, 570 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: and they come back and they hit you with a 571 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: two hour particularly if you would take it away in 572 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: downtown Boston. 573 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 7: Well, well they if they chalked my tires, I don't 574 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 7: think they did back then. 575 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 4: You may be right. 576 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 7: But even if they did, I was it was the 577 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 7: Watertown cops. I'd say, no, this is Newton. You got 578 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 7: the wrong You know, you don't have jurisdiction. If it 579 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 7: was Newton, I would say, no, this is Watertown, you 580 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 7: got the wrong jurisdiction. 581 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, that's true too. 582 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to say is that one of 583 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 2: the things that uh, you know that they they started 584 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: to limit how long you could park somewhere. It didn't 585 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 2: matter if you can't. 586 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, it may not work these days, but it happened 587 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 7: for the next number of years. I got away with 588 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 7: free parking. 589 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with free parking. 590 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 2: I used to love to get a meter that was broken, 591 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: because then I love a TV reporter's notebook right on 592 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: the right on the little you know, the little page 593 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: meter broken. Give them you're right down the number, the 594 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: meter and the time, and you put it on your 595 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 2: dashboard so they couldn't throw the the and lock your car, 596 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 2: and that generally prevented me from getting a ticket because 597 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: it looked very sort of semi official. 598 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 3: I was smart enough to write. 599 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: The meter number, the date, and the time, so I 600 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 2: basically conversed with them in the same language. They understood, 601 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: you know, specific time, specific place, and of. 602 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: Course the license number as well. Steve, thanks for the call. 603 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 3: I loved it. Thank you so much. 604 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 2: Okay, congratulations by the way on beating the system. 605 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 3: That was very creative. 606 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 7: Well, thank god Terry came along with this new text, 607 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 7: with this new technical the meter is in what I'm doing, 608 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 7: we can't do anymore. 609 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: So I think you'll enjoy it if you pick it up. 610 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: Thanks Steve. Okay, carry I enjoyed the conversation. America's great 611 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 2: parking scam. You've been rabbed. The book is now out? Correct, 612 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: I assume the. 613 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 4: Book is out. You can also find it at parkscam 614 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 4: dot com and get it there, or Amazon, Barnes and 615 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 4: Noble and wherever fine books used to be sold. 616 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 2: Yes, well, Carrie, thanks very much. Do you have a 617 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: website people can check it out at as well? 618 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 4: Is that the website absolutely parkscam dot Com. 619 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 2: Perfect well, Carrie, I enjoyed it. It's always great to 620 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: talk to someone with whom I agree on this show, 621 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 2: and it's always great to talk about issues like parking 622 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: because those are the issues that affect the most people. Now, 623 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 2: they are always going to be good friends of mine, 624 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: like Harvey silver Glade who don't have a car, don't 625 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: have need for a car. But most of us I 626 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: have identified with our problems. You know, I can remember 627 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: getting my car towed a couple of times, and then 628 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 2: you'd end up going to some dank parking lot at 629 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 2: midnight and you just thought to yourself, thank God, I'm 630 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: not working here. 631 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 3: Let me just. 632 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 4: Pay my whatever I have to pay. 633 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 3: And let me get get out of here. 634 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 4: They will, they will ruin. 635 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: Great American cities before this is over, Harry. 636 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 4: Yep. That's called the what you just described is called 637 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 4: just pay and go away. 638 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, you want to get away from there 639 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: that they generally had those parking areas and in rat 640 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: infested areas where you didn't want to be at any time, 641 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: particularly late at night. Carry Leutz, thank you so much 642 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 2: for joining us again on Night Side, and let's keep 643 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: in touch. 644 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks, carry a pleasure. 645 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 4: The great work right. 646 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 2: Back at you, America's Great Parking Scam by Carrie Lutz, 647 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: You've been robbed. As the subtitle, we will be back 648 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: right after eleven o'clock news. Today is Friday the thirteenth. 649 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: We had a Friday the thirteenth a month ago, but 650 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 2: I was away that night. So I want to talk 651 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: about your fear of the number thirteen and if I'm 652 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: not sure that the fear of Friday the thirteenth is 653 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: as great as it used to be, and let's explore that, 654 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 2: and let's kind of kick back and relax as we 655 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: head to other weekend. We're an hour away from Saturday morning. 656 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: A little bit more back night on night Side, right 657 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 2: after the eleven o'clock news. 658 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 3: My name is Dan Ray.