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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Wednesday. So you know

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Speaker 1: in hour three there's some hopeful signs on the horizon

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Speaker 1: about all this advancement in technology AI. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: we've got some impeachments coming down the pike. Emails, all that,

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Speaker 1: so much more coming up in the third hour of

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Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. But it's hour two, and as promised,

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Speaker 1: we are now going to pick up where we left

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Speaker 1: off last night and continue our history, a history not

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Speaker 1: many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you

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Speaker 1: missed a lot of the bad background, and so much

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Speaker 1: iHeart Spotify iTunes. You can go download the podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: two of last night. We gave a lot of the background.

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Speaker 1: Your thirty second to one minute background. Is this. A

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Speaker 1: man named Cecil Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners, other people, yes,

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Speaker 1: women and children, walked into a tribal land, a tribal

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Speaker 1: There were two historically there were more, but two main

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Speaker 1: big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by such savagery, and

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Speaker 1: kind of ours. Now this is done. You all, you people,

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Speaker 1: you tribes, you tribesmen, you go over there. You other tribesmen,

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Speaker 1: you go over there. Now, this is what colonization looked

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Speaker 1: many different ways to quote colonize. A country. And let's

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Speaker 1: call it all conquest, shall we. There is a spectrum,

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Speaker 1: easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Then there are other types. The French. The French would

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Speaker 1: doing part two of our history of the Rhodesian Bush War.

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Speaker 1: Remember you can email us your love, your hate, your

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Speaker 1: death threats Jesse at jesse kellyshow dot com. The Europeans

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Speaker 1: more Africans start pouring into Rhodesia looking for work, looking

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Speaker 1: for an opportunity, and they find them. But as usually happens,

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Speaker 1: the war doesn't last forever. And after the war is over.

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Speaker 1: Let's say let's say it's the year nineteen forty one

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Speaker 1: in your Rhodesia, just for the sake of argument, and

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Speaker 1: your economy starts booming. Everyone knows it, Everyone in Africa

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Speaker 1: take advantage of the opportunity to feed their families, clothed themselves,

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Speaker 1: you know, all those things. But then nineteen forty five

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Speaker 1: rolls around in biop war over. Well, there's still a

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Speaker 1: they mind, but not near the market it once was. Well,

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Speaker 1: now all those people have already come in, Now they've

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Speaker 1: already brought jobs in. Now there's not as much economic

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Speaker 1: opportunity to go around, yet the people are still there.

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Speaker 1: This creates a situation that from the outside looking in,

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Speaker 1: looks terrible. The situation being this, you have these extremely wealthy,

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Speaker 1: modern looking mostly white, although there were plenty of black people.

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Speaker 1: There are extremely modern, wealthy looking towns that would have

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Speaker 1: looked like any town in America, any city in Europe

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Speaker 1: popping up. Only on the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor,

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Speaker 1: all black shanty towns that start popping up. The reason

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Speaker 1: this is so disastrous is post World War Two there

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Speaker 1: was a thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just

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Speaker 1: to Britain. After World War Two, countries that had empires

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Speaker 1: overseas started to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard

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Speaker 1: for them. You know that. This was the French in

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Speaker 1: Vietnam when they eventually lost that, but they fought hard

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Speaker 1: trying to keep it. Some countries just flat out walked

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Speaker 1: away from it. But no matter what, there is a

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Speaker 1: macro movement happening on planet Earth post World War two,

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Speaker 1: and that movement was, Hey, you super powerful empires with

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Speaker 1: a colony here in a colony there in Britain's in India,

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Speaker 1: and the French are in Vietnam, and everyone's in Africa

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Speaker 1: said hey, you know what, no more, no more, It's

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Speaker 1: time to walk away from your overseas empire. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to put this in quotes because I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: believe in this, but the quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well,

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Speaker 1: how do you think Rhodesia looks to the rest of

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Speaker 1: the world when everyone else is giving up their overseas

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Speaker 1: territory And now you look at this insanely wealthy, prosperous

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Speaker 1: African country. These other African countries, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: they're sucking it up. They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia. Certainly

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Speaker 1: the Rhodesians are the Europeans in Rhodesia, Rhodesia, they're thriving,

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Speaker 1: and the African peoples in Rhodesia. They're on reservations, just

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Speaker 1: like our Indian reservations. They're on reservations where the Europeans

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Speaker 1: put them, or they're in shanty towns. And there's another

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Speaker 1: part of it that just looked bad. And this is

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Speaker 1: actually how we're going to open our show tomorrow. So

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Speaker 1: let me ask a question. Who should get to vote

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Speaker 1: in any society? Who deserves a say in the government

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Speaker 1: of any society? I think you would probably agree with me.

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Speaker 1: That shouldn't be everybody, right, you don't want twelve year

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Speaker 1: olds to vote. Of course, if there's some serial killer

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Speaker 1: getting ready to be executed tomorrow, do you want his

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Speaker 1: vote canceled out? He's canceling out your vote for presidents? No? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So will at least agree on that it shouldn't be everybody? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So that means there should be limits. What limits? How

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Speaker 1: do you form a nation, a good country, if that's

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Speaker 1: what you want to be, a good, prosperous country, a

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Speaker 1: country considered to be free, while also putting limits on

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Speaker 1: who has a say in the government. In Rhodesia, the

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Speaker 1: Africans did not have a say in the government. No

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Speaker 1: say none. And that's about to be a problem. We'll

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Speaker 1: have to continue that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's

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Speaker 1: do some more politics, shall we. Let's talk about some

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