1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,359 Speaker 1: Joining us right now in the radio shore. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 2: We're gonna head to Vegas in a matter of minutes, 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: by the way, But first up before we get to 4 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: JT the Brick, before we go to Vegas and find 5 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: out what's happening with Max Crosby, our friend from Lockdown 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Colts talking about the brand new Seahawks safety and more. 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: Derek Schultz joining us from Indianapolis on ninety three three KJRFM. 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Derek, how are you, man, man? 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 3: I'm doing great. 10 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 4: I get in front of JT. 11 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: The Burtt. 12 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: It's a good day for me, absolutely, and you know what, 13 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: we would have it no other way, by the way, 14 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: So let's start off by talking about Rodney Thomas, the 15 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: new safety that has signed with the Seahawks. I'm assuming 16 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: a lot of Seahawks fans don't know a lot about him. 17 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: Tell us about the new Seahawks safety and why he's 18 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: a Seahawk and not a cult Now. 19 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he's a very affected backup safety. But 20 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 4: you need guys like that, and he is about as 21 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 4: experienced as you can be being not only a backup safety, 22 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: but if you go back to his early years when 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 4: he was drafted by the Colts in the seventh round. 24 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: They kind of threw him into the fire early. He started, 25 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: you know, twenty something games over his first two years. 26 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 4: He was their full time starter at safety in the 27 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: twenty twenty preseason. Now he since got passed by other players, 28 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 4: and the Colts went out in free agency and brought 29 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 4: in Cam bind them from the Vikings, and they grew 30 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: and developed the Cross who they really liked, who became 31 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 4: a frontline player for them. So that kind of pushed 32 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: Rodney Thomas a little bit back to the periphery. But 33 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 4: he's a Yale educated guy, a great dude, very well 34 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: liked in the locker room, and a reliable backup player 35 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 4: who very rarely dealt with injury issues or anything like that. 36 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: So I think he could be effective in that exact role. 37 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 5: Derek, what type of safety is he? 38 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: He's pretty rangy. 39 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 4: He was there essentially, he was their deep safety when 40 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: they would play the three safety packages like that. 41 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: So he was you know, he didn't play a punk 42 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: snaps this year. 43 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: He think he played about one hundred and fifty snaps, 44 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: so he was used somewhat sparingly. Again, but he had, 45 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: like I said, a lot of starting experience very early 46 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: in his career before he was asked by other players, 47 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: and I think he brings a lot to the table 48 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: for a guy in that role. 49 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: I was just say, I mean on a super Bowl 50 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: caliber defense, which I mean not to be cocky, but 51 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: the Seahawks have right obviously here in Seattle. Is he 52 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: Is he more of a backup to uh, you know, 53 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: guys like Julian Love and company? Or do you see 54 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: a guy with enough talent, give him the right coaching 55 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: and the right system that could once again emerge as 56 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: a as a starting safety in the NFL. 57 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the days of him probably being relied 58 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: upon to be a starting safety or are behind him. 59 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: But I think in a pinch, you can do a 60 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: lot worse than Ronnie Thomas as a spots starter. Let's 61 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: say you had a pop up injury to Love, he 62 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: had to miss a game or two or something like that, 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: or he was limited in practice and you wanted to 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 4: take it east with him. I think Thomas can pretty 65 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: easily sort of fit into that sort of role. But 66 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: I think at this point clearly a backup player, a 67 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: reserve type player, but a guy that is going to 68 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: be liked in that locker room and the guy that 69 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: you can rely on also as far as his health 70 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 4: is concerned, which is always important for guys that are reserves. 71 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Well, Derek. 72 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 5: A signing that you guys had that potentially could impact 73 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 5: Seattle a year from now is you gave Daniel Jones 74 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 5: almost one hundred million dollars for two years and that 75 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 5: may have impacts here in Seattle with Sam Darnald next season. 76 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 5: So are Colts fans happy with that contract? 77 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: And what do you think. 78 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 5: About paying Daniel Jones almost fifty million a year. 79 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny, guys, because I think they originally tried 80 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: to give him the Sam Darnold deal and he and 81 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: his agent said no, no, no, no, price of business is 82 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: going up now. So you guys are lucky you got 83 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: in when you did. 84 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: With Donald. Of course, the Colts would love to. 85 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: Replicate that exact thing of what Seattle did and the 86 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: season that he just had. 87 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: But I think we'll say, for. 88 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: The most part, are happy with it. It's odd, guys, 89 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: because you really only got like a taste of what 90 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones could do, because we're only talking about the 91 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: first half of the season before things fell apart and 92 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: he broke his fibula and then, of course, he had 93 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: the Achilles injury, and the rest of the season kind of, 94 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: you know, went down the tubes for the Colts. Essentially, 95 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: they lost seven straight games after at eight and two 96 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 4: start and finished with a losing record. But the first 97 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: six eight weeks this was not only the best and 98 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 4: most efficient offense in the NFL, it was an historically 99 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: efficient offense. And I know that's a small sample size, 100 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 4: but the Colts are hoping to tap into that again, 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: and they also hope to do so by bringing back 102 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: Alec Pierce, who emerged as their number one receiver. You 103 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: still have Jonathan Taylor in that backfield, you still have 104 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: some of the franchise ollers, you know, Quinton Nelson and 105 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 4: guys like that, even with some other players and veterans 106 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 4: like Michael Pittman Junior moving on to other teams. So 107 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: I think they're just trying to hoplicate, hoping you'll replicate 108 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: what the Colts were in September or October and instead 109 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: of doing it over two months, do it over four 110 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: months and get back to the playoffs, which is some 111 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: of the Colts haven't been. Shockingly since the twenty twenty season, 112 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 4: they haven't even won a playoff game since the twenty 113 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: eighteen season, which was Andrew Lunch last year. 114 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: Well, Derek Schultz lockdown Colts with us here talking about 115 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: Rodney Thomas, new Seahawks safety. When Dick mentioned Daniel Jones 116 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: and his contract or a player that signed with the 117 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: Colts that could potentially impact with the Seahawks. Do I 118 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: thought you were gonna mention Alec Pierce because you just 119 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: gave him damn near thirty million dollars a year and 120 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: we got Jackson Smith and Jigman. Derek in the final 121 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: couple of years of his deal, got the fifth year 122 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: option kicking in in twenty twenty seven, so they may 123 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: try and do something with him this offseason. But if 124 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: ALLC Pierce is worth thirty million, then Jackson Smith and 125 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: Jigma might be worth fifty. 126 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: I mean, did they honestly overpay a little bit for Pierce? 127 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: You think? 128 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they did. 129 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 4: But you know what, guys, they had to because again, 130 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 4: this is the vision that they sold everybody when they 131 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: decided not to fire Shansteichen and not to fire their 132 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: general manager Chris Ballard, who is entering his tenth season 133 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 4: and in nine seasons he has won one playoff game. 134 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: They were trying to sell the vision of Hey, look 135 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: who we were the first eight weeks. 136 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: Guys. 137 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: We weren't that eight to nine team that fitshed the season. 138 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: We were the eight and two team, the seventy to 139 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: one team that had the best record in NFL at Halloween. 140 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: And in order to sell that vision you have to 141 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: bring back two of the key pieces who made that happen, 142 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: and that was Pierce, who had just another big season, 143 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 4: and of course Jones, who had his best season as 144 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 4: a pro. So, yeah, they had to overpay, but I 145 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: don't think they really had much of a choice. It's 146 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: basically win now or go home for everybody, and by everybody, 147 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: I mean everyone, the head coach, the general manager, all 148 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 4: of the court pillars of this team are in contract years. Nelson, Taylor, 149 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 4: all those guys, the Colts. If they don't win in 150 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, guys, they're blowing the whole thing up 151 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: and they're gonna have a new front office and essentially 152 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 4: a new team. And so I think they paid what 153 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: they had to to try to see if they can 154 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 4: get the ship that sets sail one last time. 155 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Derek, not to give you a kicking the 156 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: balls on the way out. Derek Schultz again locked on 157 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: the Colts is with us on the air. But I 158 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: don't have a more snake bit sports town in the 159 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: last maybe year or so than you, guys. I mean, 160 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: you make the NBA Finals, you go to Game seven, 161 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: Halliburton blows his knee out. You know he can't play now. 162 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 2: The Pacers go from NBA Finals to the worst record 163 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: in the East. The Colts fall apart, miss the playoffs. 164 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: Man with Tahils on the water out there, dude. 165 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: You know a lot of the attention, guys, though, to 166 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: be fair, has been directed towards I don't know if 167 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: you've heard about this. There's this pucky underdog university named 168 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: Indiana University that happened to just kind of come out 169 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: of nowhere and take the college football world by storm 170 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: and become this powerhouse, big tent program. I think that 171 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: is helped heal lot of the wounds. But yeah, no, 172 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: you're exactly right about the Halliburton thing was crushing. The 173 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 4: Colts just can't shift down a neutral It's the worst 174 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: place to be in the NFL. 175 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Guys, when you're eight and nine to ninety eight. 176 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 4: Every year, like They're not bad, They're just not any 177 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 4: good and it's the most frustrating place to be. But 178 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 4: there are some good shortain Caitlin Clark's coming back. There 179 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: are some good stories that people are excited about here. 180 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: In Indianapolis, no doubt. Derek, great stuff man. Appreciate the 181 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: insight on Rodney Thomas and others. And we'll talk down 182 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: the road. 183 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: Baby. 184 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: Hey, appreciate you guys. 185 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: Thanks, all right, let's do this. Let's keep it right here. 186 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: Thanks to Derek for jumping on talking colts Rodney Thomas. 187 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: But let's go. What about two thousand miles west? Do 188 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: you think? From Indianapolis? All right? 189 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: To Vegas eighteen hundred miles or so, host of Raider 190 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: Nation every day from noon to two. 191 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Our friend JT. The Brick is with us now. JT. 192 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: First of all, this is twice now in the last 193 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: week and a half, ten days, so we are hashtag blessed, 194 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: as the kids like to say, having you back on 195 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: the air. Second of all, the last time we had 196 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: you on, you said I don't think the Raiders want 197 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: to trade Max Trosby. Then they traded Max Trosby, and 198 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: now the trade for Max Crosby is falling apart and 199 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: he's back in Vegas. So how would you characterize the 200 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: last week and a half in Vegas regarding Max Crosby 201 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: and his saga. 202 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: Well, unlike Diana Rossini, Pat McAfee, Chefter and Rappaport, maybe 203 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: your boy's the only one that got this right. How 204 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: about not trade Max Crosby and how about keeping Max Crosby. 205 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: Hey, if you want credit for that, I'll give it 206 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: to you. That's fine. 207 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: I'll say this, guys, We've all been doing this a while. 208 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: This is the most disastrous, worst covered the NFL air 209 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: quote insider story of our careers. Wow, talking not Seattle, 210 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: just Vegas of our careers. The way this has been 211 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: handled by the national media, trying to fire first, Fire 212 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: all your shells first, get something out there, put it 213 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: out there. He might go to the Bears. No, no, 214 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: he's not going to the Bears. The Eagles won him. 215 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Everybody got it wrong, including everybody. So now everybody's trying 216 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: to run for cover. Say well, Max is happy to 217 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: be back, or the Raiders might still try to trade him. 218 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: It's all true. Max, I talked to yesterday off the record, 219 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: is thrilled to be back. Thrilled to be back, but 220 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: the goal was to leave and go to a contender 221 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: at this stage of his career for a chance to win. 222 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: It fell apart because Eric the da Costa and the 223 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: Ravens completely screwed over not only the Raiders but the league. 224 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: Because the Raiders went out and spent two hundred million, 225 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: got a lot of good seven new starters, got seven 226 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 3: and good players, and the rest of the league had 227 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: to wait for this before they could pounce on other 228 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: free agents. What Baltimore did was despicable and Raiter Nation 229 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: will never forget it. 230 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: So did Baltimore just screw up or do you think 231 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 5: they purposely created Shenanigans in this situation. 232 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: I think they purposely did this on purpose. I think 233 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: what they did great. Question. What they did was they 234 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: negotiated with Max. The deal was done. It happens every 235 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: year in that area from Monday to Wednesday before the 236 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: league becomes official, the legal tampering period. Had a deal 237 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: done with Max, sent a private jet and once the 238 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: jet was in the air, they started looking around and said, 239 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 3: oh boy, we don't want to give up two first 240 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: round picks. Trey Hendrickson's market is dropping. There's a chance 241 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: we can get Hendrickson and our two picks back, and yeah, 242 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: we're gonna have to embarrass Max. I mean, Max had 243 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: a meniscous cleanup. He didn't have a blown out, and 244 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 3: eight didn't cares acl he didn't do an achilles. How 245 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: do you let me ask you this, How do you 246 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: clear Daniel Jones with the torn achilles on his physical 247 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: yesterday in Indianapolis, but not clear Max Crosby. So I 248 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: think they made a mistake because Crosby is a better 249 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: player than Hendrickson in regards to the run tackles for laws, 250 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 3: just a better player. But they're very close, and DaCosta 251 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 3: got cold feet because the Ravens. Remember there's a key point. 252 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 3: The Ravens have never ever in the history of the franchise, 253 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: dating back to Ozzie Newsom, have ever done a two 254 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: first round trade. And he couldn't handle the pressure in Baltimore. 255 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: Interesting, So you don't buy the idea that Max Crosby 256 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: actually failed the physical that Baltimore conducted on him. Maybe 257 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: it wasn't a knee, maybe there was something else, Like 258 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: do we know why? What are the Ravens saying? Do 259 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: we know what their reasoning was? To fill these You can't. 260 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: You can't use a hip of laws exactly. 261 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: So that's my point that nobody knows. 262 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: Oh so is it possible there's something else that creeped 263 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: up in the physical process that we're not yet talking about. 264 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I doubt that because two and a half weeks 265 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: ago he was on crutches. So who in God's name 266 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: thought Max Crosby could pass a physical when two and 267 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: a half weeks ago he was on crutches. Two weeks 268 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: ago he was with me at the Commitment's Excellence Awards 269 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: where I brought him on stage and presented him with 270 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: the award without crutches. Who didn't think that if you 271 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: were going to put Max Crosby into a physical situation 272 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: with the new team coming off crutches, he wouldn't fail 273 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 3: technically fail. These deals happen all the time in the 274 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: history of the NFL, dating back to leather helmets, we've 275 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: been trading for injured players. Now here's the interesting fair 276 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: thing is that if Baltimore looked at the medicals and said, wow, 277 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: you know, that's more than a meniscus. That's more than 278 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: a cleanup. It's a real meniscust. It's going to take 279 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: six months, he's getting a little bit older. We like 280 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: him for the next two years instead of four years. 281 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: They had the right to back out. And remember, guys, 282 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: they had the right to back out. So the history 283 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: of your career is going forward because you guys do 284 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: such a great job. Is when this bull crap legal 285 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: tampering thing starts, not on Monday, It starts at the 286 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: combine when these deals are agreed to. Remember, none of 287 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: them are none of them are official until the league 288 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: year and the Raiders got the Raiders got jobbed. 289 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: One that let me just jt let me just say 290 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: this on the on the Ravens angle for just one 291 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: final second, that Dick wants to jump in on the 292 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: future for Crosby. What you're basically accusing Eric DaCosta or 293 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: is it Steve Bashatti? Is that right the owner of 294 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: the Ravens. Correct one of the two of them, if 295 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 2: not both of them. You're creating a situation where these 296 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: guys basically sold their souls to save a deal that 297 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: they eventually did not want to make. 298 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: Guys that have been around the NFL. 299 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: One thousand percent like they backed out of a deal 300 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: a gentleman's agreement between two NFL teams on an elite player, 301 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: an elite player that they brought to their city. Let 302 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 3: me make this point. They could have killed that deal. 303 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: They had the medicals, they had them all already for weeks. 304 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 3: They could have killed that deal and not put Rachel 305 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: and Max Crosby, his wife and Max on a private 306 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: jet to Baltimore and proven reports are will find out 307 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: that when Max was in the building, Okay, they were 308 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: negotiating with Trey Hendrickson, and now they're saying, well, we 309 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: wanted to do both of them at the same time. 310 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're gonna believe Eric da Costa that he 311 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: was going to do Trey Hendrickson and Max Crosby at 312 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: the same time. 313 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: Come on, So, a guy that's owned the Ravens for 314 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: twenty years and a GM that's been with the organization 315 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: for thirty years all of a sudden turned into Nick 316 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: Nolty and Blue Chips instead. I'm going to hell, and 317 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: I don't care paying Shack, paying Penny Hardaway, paying Matt 318 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: and Nover. We're going to do something that will damage 319 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: our reputation with the rest of the NFL, but we 320 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: don't give a damn. 321 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: That's what you're accusing of your. 322 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: Said, okay, Jack, all them and their tailor. And if 323 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: you saw DaCosta speak yesterday, he looked like he was 324 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: a deer in the headlights when he said, I love 325 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: Mark Davis. I go back to Al Davis and all 326 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: of this. Look they had the right to do this. 327 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: I used it on my show all week. They found 328 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: a loophole. The definition of a loophole is what they 329 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: just did to Max Crosby. And you know what, Dick 330 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: and Softie, what drives me nuts about this deal. They 331 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: did it to an elite player. There's plenty of players 332 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: in this league you trade for, not for ones, but 333 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: you know, for twos and threes, good really good players. 334 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: You don't do this to an elite player that could 335 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: help your quarterback Lamar Jackson in the fourth quarter get 336 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: to a super Bowl. That's why this deal is so dirty. 337 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: They did it to Max Crosby, not some second or 338 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: third round guy or some good guy. They did it 339 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: to Mad Max. 340 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 341 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: Well, JJF, I'm with you, especially on the whole line 342 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 5: where he said, oh, were going to sign Crosby and 343 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 5: Henry Bs. 344 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: You were going to sign both Crosby and Hendricks. And 345 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: I thought that was a bad moves on his part. Yesterday, 346 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: j t the brick joining us from Vegas. So what's 347 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: Max Crosby worth? 348 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: Now? 349 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 5: How much did this these shenanigans hurt Max Crosby's trade value? 350 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: It's a great question, Dick, because it shouldn't have hurt 351 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: it at all. When they shut him down the last 352 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: two games of the year, he had arguably one of 353 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: his best seasons ever for the worst team in football, 354 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: a three win team. Tackle for loss is energy, and 355 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: he wanted to play through the injury. So let's let's 356 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: let's solve this issue. First. The Raiders look really good 357 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: because they shut Max Crosby down with two games left, 358 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: along with Brock Bauers, who was injured throughout the year. 359 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: They did that. It helped him get the number one pick, 360 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza, who better be the savior of this thing 361 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: or I'm in the wrong job. If he ain't saving 362 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: this thing, no one's saving it. As Gino ends up 363 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: with the Jets. So when we get this guy, Fernando Mendoza, 364 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: plus we signed he signed seven starters. I couldn't believe it. 365 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I couldn't believe the players that spy Tech 366 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: hired a signed on Monday, and then you bring back 367 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: Max Crosby with the seven new starters that. 368 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: You brought in. 369 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. So I'm just yeah that cooler heads prevailed, 370 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: because there's a real good chance you're gonna call me 371 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: on Tuesday or Wednesday next week and say, Brick Max 372 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: got traded to the Bears or the Eagles of the 373 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 3: Cowboys for a one and a one in a two 374 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: or a one in a three. But he's the same 375 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: guy you trade two number ones for. He didn't change 376 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: a bit. He's the same player. He didn't change. Nothing 377 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: happened where you would go from two ones to a 378 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 3: one in a two. But no team wants to give 379 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 3: up two ones. Now, the Raiders had the team, they 380 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: probably had two teams, but they had the one team 381 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: with the fourteenth pick overall in the first round that 382 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: was willing to give up two ones, and the deal 383 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: fell apart because the Ravens played dirty. 384 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: Well, let me just say this, the proof will be 385 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: in the pudding, right. I mean, to Dick's question about 386 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: what does this do to his value, you say it 387 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: should do nothing. If the rest of the league is 388 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: consensus agreed that the Ravens made up a failed physical designation. 389 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: If you will right to get out of the Max 390 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: Crosby deal, then whoever was second in line to trade 391 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: for Crosby should get bumped up to number one. 392 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: And that team said they won't give that. 393 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: But let me clarify on my point. 394 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: Does that give up to one time out? Time out? 395 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: This what I'm asking you, whoever was second in line? 396 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what that offer was. 397 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: Do you know what was the next best offer the 398 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: Raiders had on their board to trade for Max Crosby? 399 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: Do we know? No one knows that you tell this one. 400 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: But let's say let's say it was a first rounder 401 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: and a second rounder. 402 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, whatever that deal was, the Raiders should 403 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: still be able to get Yeah, well. 404 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: I would assume what was on the board. Fair question, 405 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: were two number ones later in the first round. 406 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: Remember I don't like. 407 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: Your twenty seventh pick in the first round. Like if 408 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: you said, oh, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl, We're 409 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: going to trade a first round pick and it's a 410 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 3: thirty second pick. The third pick in the second round 411 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: is the same as the last pick in the first round. 412 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: So you know there was probably multiple teams that had 413 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: picks in the twenties, that picks in the twenties that 414 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 3: wanted to go for Max Crosby. But I think what 415 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: fair what the league? The league right now probably thinks 416 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: a fair deal for Crosby, probably because a lot of 417 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: free agent money has been spend it it's been spent already. 418 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: Probably the league thinks it's a one in a two 419 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: and that could be fair too. And look, the Raiders 420 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: might say, because Max isn't very dramatic, he's the best 421 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: player the Raiders have and he's the hardest worker. So 422 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: this is where it could get really uncomfortable. Now if 423 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: we sit here and go, wait a second, this thing 424 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 3: was so weird. It's so weird and bizarre. Max's back. 425 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: He was already in the building at seven in the morning, 426 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 3: right when he came back from Baltimore. Loves the Raiders, 427 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 3: even maybe hey, Softy Dick, maybe Baltimore didn't like the 428 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: way he did is goodbye, goodbye Instagram. Go look at 429 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 3: that when he's like, I'm retiring a Raider. I can't 430 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: wait to be a Raider at the end of my career. 431 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 3: That's another side conspiracy. But there's a deal out there. 432 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: If the Raiders really want to move Max Crosby, right, 433 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: there's a deal to be done. I hope they don't 434 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: do it because with the two linebackers they just brought in, 435 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: Quitty pay Re said at the slot corner from Buffalo, Wow, 436 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: I mean Jalen Naylor from Minnesota, who could be a 437 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: three and number two wide receiver with everything they did. 438 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: Whatever you thought the way to rebuild looked like that 439 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: changed on Monday to a different type of rebuild. And 440 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: then Max Crosby walks back in the building. I'm thrilled, man, 441 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: because I just want to cover good football teams to win, 442 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: and not teams that got slaughtered last year led by 443 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: Gino Smith and couldn't snap the football. 444 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: Random shot at Gino Smith on the way out the door. 445 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: My lad, All right, we appreciate JT. 446 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: You're the man. Great stuff. 447 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: Appreciated, buddy, guys, all right, well he's pretty he's pretty 448 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: fired up, man. He needs like a shower after that. 449 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: You can just feel him sweating by the way. I 450 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: could see him doing that interview like he just stepped 451 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: out of a sauna with a towel around his neck. 452 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: He's all fired up and pissed off. 453 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we got to come back and talk about 454 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: this right next on ninety three three KJRFM. 455 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now 456 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: back to Softie and Dick on your Home for the Huskies, 457 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 6: Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point 458 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 6: three kJ R FM. 459 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: All right, Max Crosby, Baltimore, Ravens Vegas Raiders conundrum saga 460 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: is still a very big story around the NFL. We 461 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: just had JT the Brick on the air, who was livid. 462 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: JT the Brick, who you know obviously, Look, I think 463 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: we can be upfront and honest. Works for the Raiders. 464 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: The name of the radio station he works for is 465 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: called Raider Nation, by the way, and he's on the 466 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: air every day from noon to two, I believe, still 467 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: doing sidelines for the Raiders on their broadcast with Lincoln 468 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: Kennedy doing color on the Raider Broadcast Radio Raider Radio 469 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: Broadcast Networks. Yeah, he's livid, by the way, he says, 470 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: the Ravens just kind of made this whole thing up. 471 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: They created this failed physical designation to weasele and wiggle 472 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: their way out of a deal for Max Crosby and 473 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: then they went out and they signed Trey Hendrickson. So look, 474 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of different angles on this 475 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: whole thing. The Seahawks getting involved as one of them. 476 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: We will never part of the problem with this, And 477 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: Dick and I were talking out to hear about this. Jackson, Sorry, 478 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: we could have called you into including the conversation. 479 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: One of the. 480 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: Problems is that the Ravens are not allowed to reveal 481 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: what they found in the physical, okay, so all of 482 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: us have to just speculate on what's going on. So 483 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: the theory is that or the idea is that, hey, 484 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: he's coming off meniscus surgery towars meniscus. If the Ravens 485 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: are failing him because of that, that's ridiculous because of 486 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: course he would fail a physical right now. If you're 487 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: saying the meniscus isn't strong enough, there's a story on 488 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: the Ringer by the way, where they're saying that Baltimore 489 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: felt like their doctors said that the knee was going 490 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: to be okay in the short term, but in the 491 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: long term was going to be a problem. That's speculation though, Well, no, 492 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: that's what the Ravens doctor is that's what they're reporting 493 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: the ravens, Like somebody talked to somebody with the ravens 494 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: and that's what they're This. 495 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: Is like, right, I'm saying that, But the. 496 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 5: Doctor's results are speculat doctor thinks that potentially could be 497 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 5: a problem along who. 498 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: Else would you believe more than a doctor. You'd believe 499 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: a doctor. 500 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 5: I don't understand is if they did this physical a 501 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 5: week ago or whatever. To JT's point, A, why of 502 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 5: course he would quote unquote fail physical if he's on 503 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 5: crutches two weeks ago and JT has eyewitness reports that 504 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 5: he was on crutches two weeks ago, and b why 505 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 5: would they fly him out to Baltimore. Yeah, if they'd 506 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 5: already failed him on the physical. 507 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 2: Well, maybe something popped up on a report. I don't 508 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: know that came in later in a test. Maybe there's 509 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: a blood test that came through. I got no idea, 510 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: I think saying it's speculation, Well, of course everything is speculation. 511 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: But the more educated you are on a matter, the 512 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: less you would assume that somebody is speculating and basing 513 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: their opinion more on facts and history and data than 514 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: just complete speculation. They read on the internet right. So, 515 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: I mean your doctor that you go to speculates when 516 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: he talks to you, but you trust him more than 517 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: you do some schmuck off the street. My point is this, 518 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: did the Ravens look at the knee and say, hey, 519 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: it's not the meniscus, there's something else here, right, Like 520 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: the overall structure of the knee is a problem. There's 521 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: going to be an issue there in a couple two, 522 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: three years from now. Yes, he'll be find the short term. 523 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: But what we're seeing we don't like. 524 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: But that's the point. 525 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: The Ravens can't say anything about it. All we have 526 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: to do is just read what's being reported on the web. 527 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: There is, though to back up your point, Jackson, this 528 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: is interesting from the ringer the same story that there 529 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: are three different examples of the Ravens. One of them, 530 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 2: I believe before DaCosta and Steve Bushatti took over where 531 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: they failed guys because of failed physicals and pulled the 532 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: plugs on trades. Now, that happens all the time in 533 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: the NFL, where guys fail physicals. Right, I mean, you're 534 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: allowed to fail a physical, You're allowed to do a physical. 535 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: There's a reason why teams do physicals on players because 536 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: they want to make sure they're structurally sound. So just 537 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: because the team says no, doesn't mean they're Shenanigans. But 538 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: it does seem like the Ravens in the last maybe 539 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years have done this. I don't know, maybe 540 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: more than other teams out there. I'm not doing the 541 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: research right now and how many other teams fail players 542 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: on physicals, But right now we're reading about this happening 543 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: more than once with Balthim, I. 544 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 7: Would expect that JT would say exactly what he said. Yeah, 545 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 7: but isn't isn't just Raiders people saying I have the 546 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 7: exact same take that heated the segment earlier, And the 547 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 7: reality is like, when what he said is true, every 548 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 7: team knew that he was coming off of this injury 549 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 7: and he was on crutches two weeks before the deal. 550 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 7: Everybody knew that if you want to fail a physical, 551 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 7: come on, it's gonna be pretty easy to say, oh, yeah, 552 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 7: he's on crutches two weeks ago. 553 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Of course he's not gonna plays physical. 554 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 5: Let me ask you, Jackson, if Trey Hendrickson were not 555 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 5: a free agent, do you believe Max Crosby would have 556 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 5: passed the physical. 557 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you, Dave. Do you believe that 558 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: if Trey Hendrickson was not a free agent? I guys, 559 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I mean again, I know you 560 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: want to have me take one side of the other. 561 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 2: I just don't know what the Ravens would say if 562 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: we took this to a courthouse and we put the 563 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: Ravens on your oath and said, tell us what you 564 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: saw that led you to fail Max Crosby's physical. I 565 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: want to know the answer to that. Yes, because all 566 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: of us are just assuming that it was the meniscus. 567 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: Maybe it was a different part of the need. Maybe 568 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: it was a different part of his leg. Maybe there 569 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: was a blood test that came back with a giant 570 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: red flag. 571 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 572 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 5: Now, when you mentioned last segment, you think they could 573 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 5: just go to the second team in line behind the Raiders. Whoever, 574 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 5: whatever that offer was, do you believe that the Raiders 575 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 5: can actually get that same offer now that they could 576 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 5: a week again? 577 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Probably not? 578 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: Probably not, because that team is going to say, Hey, 579 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: if the Ravens said no, then why should we offer 580 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: what we were going to offer. Look, all it takes 581 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: is one team. It just depends on how bad the 582 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: rest of the league wants Max Crosby. It depends on 583 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: how much of a bidding war that can be created 584 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: now for his services. Right, And if there's only one 585 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: team that really is offering a decent deal for him, 586 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: if that one team and their offer is so far 587 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: above what this second team now in line, which was 588 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: the third team, is now offering, then yeah, that team 589 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: can say, well, that deal is no longer available because. 590 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: The off the table. We live in a different world. 591 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: But if there's a. 592 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: Bidding war guys for Max Crosby, then yeah, you would 593 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: think the Raiders could just go back to team number 594 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: two and make them team number one, you know. I 595 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: mean you probably could assume that the next best deal, 596 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: like JT said, was probably two first rounders, but not 597 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: as early in the draft, because the Ravens were offering 598 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: the fourteenth pick in this year's draft and then their 599 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: first rounder next year. Right, but who knows where that 600 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: pick will be because we haven't played the season yet. 601 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: Was the next best selection or offer the twentieth pick, 602 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: the twenty fifth pick, what was it? I do think 603 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: there's a really good chance that you're right, Dick, that 604 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: whatever the next best offer was is not going to 605 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: be nearly as good as it was the first time, 606 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: after what the Ravens did and after what they said 607 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: about his knee, that it's not going to be on 608 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: the table anymore. So either A he goes back to 609 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: the Raiders or B they take a lesser offer than 610 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: what they thought they were getting in the first place, 611 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: even if they did settle for the second best off. 612 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: I kind of like what they did in the offseason. 613 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 5: I think with Kirk Cousins, if he goes there right 614 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 5: to be the starter for Fernando and then bring Fernando 615 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: in later, I think they could be a pretty good team. 616 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: It may turn out to be good. It may, like 617 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: JT's saying, it may actually work out for the best. 618 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: We're going to break a little textimonials and then Mark 619 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: Ross we'll ask Mark his thoughts on this. From the 620 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: NFL Network at five on ninety three three KJRFM