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Speaker 3: facts dot org. Hi, Paul, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: A lot? A lot is going on.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of moving parts, there's lots of stuff happening,

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Speaker 3: There's lots going on behind the scenes. There's lots going

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Speaker 3: on for you and I to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Yes, even though this is maybe the most boring January

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Speaker 1: There's really there's not a lot happening in terms of,

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Speaker 1: coaching changes and big time free agents. People about to

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Speaker 3: I'm hopeful that there's some Joe Burrow nuggets that come

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Speaker 3: be great. Yeah, that's all we like a chia pet

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Speaker 3: of news that would be That would be awesome. Yet, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is remarkably quiet. But that's where you come in

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Speaker 3: because we have the highlight.

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Speaker 1: When nothing happens, you make something.

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Speaker 3: Of the early portion of the off season, the mock

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Speaker 3: off season. If you don't know what the mock off

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Speaker 3: season is, if you go to the Athletic dot com,

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Speaker 3: Paul obviously covers the Bengals for the Athletic, there is

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Speaker 3: your chance to be Duke Tobin and Katie Blackburn all

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Speaker 3: at once. Where you get the spreadsheet, you get a

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Speaker 3: and you can cut players, You could sign players, You

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Speaker 3: could extend players contracts. You could even restructure Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 1: Why I like it and I give this same spiel

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Speaker 3: Day two Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight not even on

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Speaker 3: One thing that stood out to me among all these

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Speaker 1: Burrow restructure option. I did. I did not select it.

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Speaker 3: on their respective deals to contract extensions. This offseason feels

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Speaker 3: like something that they're just they're not going to be

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Speaker 3: able to wrap their brains around successfully enough to get

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Speaker 3: done because these things always end up in a fight,

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Speaker 3: right they always that's tract. So that to me, I

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Speaker 3: just you know what, I'll get one done and leave

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Speaker 3: the other. So for me, I just I signed. It

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Speaker 3: could have been it could have been one or the other,

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Speaker 3: but it wasn't gonna be both.

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Speaker 1: You just want to have I know, not you because

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Speaker 1: you love the content, but like you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: gonna fall in line. It just feels destined. These guys,

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Speaker 1: they they are so perfectly set to the template of

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Speaker 1: the previous players that we've seen come down this line.

449
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Speaker 1: It just gets dragged out, it gets fought over. So

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Speaker 1: the idea that they would maybe change their ways, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I would be the first one to stand

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Speaker 1: up and say this is different if they actually went

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Speaker 1: out there and did it without the haggling and all

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Speaker 1: the other stuff. Yeah, but it's hard to say that.

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Speaker 1: You see that coming a little bit later on.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you do something that every football writer

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Speaker 3: has to hate.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll get to that shortly before four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: This isn't about the Jacksonville Jaguars thing again, is it?

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Speaker 1: No good? I don't want to have to go back

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Speaker 1: down that. No, I have to hate that.

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Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with the Jacksonville Jaguars. No,

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Speaker 3: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: League, Lyn Jones. No, We've moved on.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna but I'm gonna make you do something that

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Speaker 3: I think every football writer has to hate. I need

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Speaker 3: you to weigh in on the world's greatest athlete, uh,

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Speaker 3: the overreaction to the snow game in Denver. But first

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Speaker 3: we have to talk about Joe Brady being the coach

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Speaker 3: Joe Brady is going to be the head coach of

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Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills. He has been their offensive coordinator for

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Speaker 3: the last season and a half and in revenues. They're

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Speaker 3: still waiting to find out if their games will be

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Speaker 3: on tvnf I'll have any money to sign any players,

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Speaker 3: Paul Danner Jr. From It's true they're waiting, true, right,

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Speaker 3: that's the the or LIMBA gotta find out are the

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Speaker 3: games going to be on TV? And if so, will

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Speaker 3: we get any money from it? And if if so,

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Speaker 3: they can they can.

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Speaker 1: Sign some more guys.

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Speaker 3: Maybe as long as the other teams wait around to

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Speaker 3: see if the Red's TV situation, sure they will. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can imagine all those other clubs like Bill Bob, Hey, Nick,

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Speaker 3: let's just wait for you, wait for you. Yeah, let

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Speaker 3: us fan out, let us know, and then well then

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Speaker 3: we'll compete for a u haaneos Horez. The Joe Brady

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Speaker 3: thing is going to be hilarious in a not fun way.

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Speaker 3: If if he coaches Josh Allen to unprecedented heights and

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor go seven to ten.

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Speaker 1: Next year, sure, Yeah, I mean, are you ready for that?

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Speaker 1: I guess are you ready for that? I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and there's a lot of things that'll be

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Speaker 1: hilarious next year. If this team goes seven and ten,

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Speaker 1: that's one of them added to the list, right, I

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Speaker 1: don't you know?

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Speaker 3: Folks have wanted Joe Brady to be the Bengals coach

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Speaker 3: since before Joe Burrow played a game here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we'll see if he's a good coach

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Speaker 1: or not. Because it's one thing to be a good coordinator,

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Speaker 1: it's another thing to now be the head coach. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see if that's who Joe Brady is. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: is they maybe the coup happened in Buffalo and this

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Speaker 1: was all everybody saw. They didn't want Joe Brady to

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Speaker 1: walk out the door. They'd never problem with Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: walk out the door. I don't know. Maybe this was

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen pulling some rank and being like, I want

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Speaker 1: my guy. We can't let him leave. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea I understand why people would be like, it'd be

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Speaker 1: great to have Joe Brady here. We don't know if

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady's a good head coach. I just maybe he

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Speaker 1: will be we just I have been told, never been

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Speaker 1: a head coach.

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Speaker 3: I have been told for the last seven years, Joe

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Speaker 3: Brady is the next big thing in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Even when he was flaming out in Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because he can then come to Cincinnati and

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Speaker 3: take over here. That didn't happen. So if it works

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Speaker 3: out in Buffalo, just stand by be ready. Yeah, sure

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Speaker 3: it sounds it sounds great. I mean, he obviously is

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Speaker 3: smart when he when he's had Joe Burrow and Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: it has gone really well. A little tear came to

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Speaker 3: my eye on Saturday night when I opened up social

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Speaker 3: media and I saw a tweet from Gino Stone picture

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Speaker 3: of him and his his Bengals uniform thrown up deuces. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing saying goodbye to his fans in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: All right, who are those?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know who they are, but I thought,

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Speaker 3: like you know, it hasn't worked out. Yeah, and Gino

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Speaker 3: Stone played poorly so often that he became the subject.

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Speaker 1: Of my ire. But there's a part of me that like,

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Speaker 1: I'll kind of miss picking on him. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was a pretty central part of your program. Firstus

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Speaker 1: oh yes, yes, yeah, I mean yes, he named your

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Speaker 1: dog after him. I did so, So what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do is I was on Saturday night while watching

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Speaker 1: the Bearcat game, which was how that go.

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Speaker 3: It was like watching a team of Geno Stones play

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Speaker 3: against Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Stateium of Geno Stones.

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Speaker 3: I was looking at some of the replies and I, well,

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Speaker 3: I felt like Gino probably didn't need to throw.

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Speaker 1: Up deuces to Bengals fans.

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Speaker 3: And then I thought like maybe this is ironic, like

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Speaker 3: kind of funny way of going, Hey, I know you're

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Speaker 3: not going to miss me, so see ya. The replies

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Speaker 3: were not nice, like, for instance, Travis said to him, hey,

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Speaker 3: you missed three tackles making this tweet. Tyler Uh just

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Speaker 3: replied with a picture of a parking cone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see.

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Speaker 3: Sorry it didn't work. This is from Jungle Rats. Sorry

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Speaker 3: it didn't work out. But you made a lot of

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Speaker 3: bad business decisions this year that hurt the team. Now this,

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Speaker 3: this person here, the legend Jordan, one of the worst

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Speaker 3: safeties we've ever had.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, you won't be missed.

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Speaker 3: So I am oh here, Thank God, say hello to

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Speaker 3: the Birmingham Stallions for me.

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Speaker 1: Not bad. I like that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of folks were really nice. Hey,

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Speaker 3: best of luck just wasn't a good fit. God bless you,

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Speaker 3: thank you for your time as a Bengal. So people

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Speaker 3: were this guy wrote something really profane that I can't

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Speaker 3: say on the air, but anyway, there was a slight

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Speaker 3: moment of sadness that this two year run that I

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Speaker 3: have not enjoyed in the least but have mind for

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Speaker 3: content is over.

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Speaker 1: Genostone learning what the Bengal social media admins have been

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Speaker 1: experiencing for a while now.

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Speaker 5: That would always crack me up, as like Bengals social

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Speaker 5: media like would be sitting here and they would like

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Speaker 5: post something and they would underneath that in the replies

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Speaker 5: of that post would just be nothing but getting absolutely

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Speaker 5: crushed no matter what it is.

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Speaker 1: It could be intercept cancer yes right, and below it

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Speaker 1: is just awful profane things about whoever posted this And

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Speaker 1: so ginostone falling in line with.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, my grandmother passed away in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 3: I posted a photo of her as a young woman

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Speaker 3: and said, you know, lost my grandmother yesterday. This woman

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Speaker 3: helped raise me and if I recall correctly, the the

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Speaker 3: tweet immediately afterward was about how John Brannon sucks.

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Speaker 1: So it's I mean, such as Twitter, right, if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna choose to be on there, this is what it is.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Twitter, do football writers despise having to address

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Speaker 3: posts sent to the world by Dove climbing?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Is this the bane of your existence? What do

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Speaker 1: you remember? Do you this happened to me? No? I

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Speaker 1: don't remember. This was It was about T Higgins And

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Speaker 1: it was maybe three years ago, okay, right before. I

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Speaker 1: mean it was in like the round this time of year,

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Speaker 1: and I wrote a story something about things going on

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Speaker 1: in the offseason and had a section about what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen could happen with T Higginson, And it

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Speaker 1: was taken so far out of context as you could

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Speaker 1: ever imagine. Got Kleiman tweeted out everybody put it out there.

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Speaker 1: People were just crushing me left and right, to the

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Speaker 1: point I had to put up a like three part

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Speaker 1: reply tweet explaining how stupid this is, that this is

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Speaker 1: what's actually put out there, including screenshots from inside the

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Speaker 1: story of what was actually written. Yes, truly, m L Football. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dove Kleinman like the absolute worst, the absolute rage baiting

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Speaker 1: aggregation football. Yea, those are so I have been dubbed before,

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Speaker 1: so yes, don't.

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Speaker 3: Climban tweeted out a video of Davante Adams, who played

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Speaker 3: in his fifth conference championship game for the Rams and

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Speaker 3: they lost, and as he's talking very patiently with reporters,

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Speaker 3: there's a beer, like.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen this tweet?

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I saw the So there's Davante.

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Speaker 3: I gotta there's Davante and the beer, and Dove or

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Speaker 3: Dove writes, this is not a good look. It's not

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Speaker 3: not a good look adult having a beer a beverage

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Speaker 3: after their season of getting in like twenty car crashes

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Speaker 3: is over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably, I mean par for the course, okay, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is this is what it

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Speaker 1: is like, this is how he makes money. What is

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Speaker 1: the thing I can say here that would get most

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Speaker 1: the most people mad? And in my comments, Dove has.

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Speaker 3: Three hundred and eighty point one thousand people following him up.

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Speaker 1: So gross everything about it, I just it's, well, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. Like in our job, my job is to

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Speaker 1: try to communicate things as clearly as I can and

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Speaker 1: what I know, and that's all I try to do.

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Speaker 1: And so when you spend so much time doing that,

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Speaker 1: and then you just get some other factor coming in

654
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Speaker 1: and just trying to absolutely undo all of that, and

655
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Speaker 1: then it's like out of the bag. You know, anytime

656
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Speaker 1: anything goes viral, Yeah, like you can't stop it. This

657
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Speaker 1: is what people now are gonna think, all because this

658
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Speaker 1: guy's just trying to find a way to do rage

659
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Speaker 1: bait on the internet and you're the victim. Yeah it's

660
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Speaker 1: it's awful, but there's nothing you can do about it

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Speaker 1: except not go on the internet.

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Speaker 3: The AFC Championship game, the second half was played in

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Speaker 3: a snowstorm. I liked it, loved it. I thought it

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Speaker 3: was great television. I thought it made that game and

665
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: added an element of cinema to an already important game,

666
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: made the game feel even bigger. It put a premium

667
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Speaker 3: on strategy, put a premium on points, put a premium

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00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: on coaching the game the right way early because you

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Speaker 3: knew the snow was gonna come now. In response to this,

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Speaker 3: many have countered that this is why they should play

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Speaker 3: those games on neutral sites.

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Speaker 1: Get out of here. Is that the most ridiculous take

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Speaker 1: that's out there. I mean, I probably has something. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't drink while having that take. I don't know

675
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Speaker 1: like this is this drives me nuts in that Do

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Speaker 1: you want it to be more like college football where

677
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: they're playing No, where fans have to try. No, you

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Speaker 1: earn the right to play in your home and your

679
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: surroundings and your place and your and you are a

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: team built to play and be a be a part

681
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: of whatever the weather conditions are in your town. You

682
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: only think Broncos players aren't prepared to go play in

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Speaker 1: the snow. Maybe didn't work out for him this time,

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Speaker 1: but whatever, like they know what they're getting themselves into.

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Speaker 1: Any what do you remember about the Freezer Bowl?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't remember anything because I didn't ten people

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Speaker 3: listening that were all the one hundred thousand people that

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Speaker 3: were all there.

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Speaker 1: They they remember. You remember it for these types of things?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the snow games? And the other reason

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Speaker 1: why I love it is like I I enjoy watching

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Speaker 1: Sundays of golf tournaments. Okay, not because the weather. Every

693
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: course is different. Yes, it plays to different strategies. You've

694
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Speaker 1: got to be able to be a consistent winner to

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Speaker 1: prove that you can win different ways, that you can

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: handle different things. You can have certain shot shapes, you

697
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: can you can handle different challenges on each course, the

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00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: same way with going through an NFL playoffs. Okay, if

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00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: you want to go and make it to the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: you've got to win different ways, in different conditions, against

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Speaker 1: different types of teams and different environments. That is the

702
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: beauty of football. At least it is for another five

703
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: to ten years until we're on nothing but all these

704
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: billion dollars you know, dumps. Yeah, and I hate that

705
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: that's going away little by little, you know, the Cleveland's

706
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and probably Chicago's, I guess, and like whatever, all these

707
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: places that are building these makes me kind of sick

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00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: because that's when you see the old highlights and there's

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: just there's snow on the ground and stuff like That'

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00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: Like it's great, that's the sport. Yes, it's the fun

711
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: of the sport. Yes, And so I hate that that

712
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: it's we're trying to turn it into this perfect environment

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00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: and I just I hate that. I love games like that. Yeah,

714
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: threw it off, Yeah, it made it different, But there

715
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: were different ways that they had to go about trying

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00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: to win that game. And uh, the Patriots did in

717
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: Denver did.

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00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: Who was the best coach in the AFC North. Right now,

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00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: you got Mike McCarthy has won a Super Bowl. You

720
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Speaker 3: Jesse Minner, a hot young assistant Cincinnati Ties, Zach Taylor

721
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 3: has coached them a super Bowl, and then the head

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00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: coach of the Cleveland Browns like Harvey the Rabbit right now,

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Speaker 3: I don't know who it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Whoever says yes, Uh, you can't say Jesse Minner. He

725
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: may be right. We don't know anything. It's the same

726
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: thing as about Joe Brady. We don't know anything about

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: him as a head coat coach. Because you're a good

728
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: coordinator does not mean you're a good head coach, is it?

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00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I mean, I don't know. He certainly doesn't

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00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: have the tools that you would think he would need

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Speaker 1: around him to make that thing work. Right now, and

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Speaker 1: it's not whatever's gonna happen in Cleveland, I guess I

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Speaker 1: guess it's Zach Taylor. I don't you know. I think

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Speaker 1: that's they're probably all a put him in a hat

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00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch any of Mike McCarthy's press conference in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I saw a few snippets.

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Speaker 3: I say this as someone who hates getting dressed up.

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00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: No one has ever looked less comfortable in a suit.

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Speaker 3: Then I got it right here, nobody has ever looked

741
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Speaker 3: less comfortable in a suit.

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Speaker 1: Look at look at that. It looks like it looks

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Speaker 1: like it's a little too tight around the neck. Maybe

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00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: it's like the same one that he used for his

745
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: his Cowboys press conference. And he's like put on a

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Speaker 1: couple albe.

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Speaker 3: Since he looks like an eleven year old kid who

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Speaker 3: has to go to a funeral and mom's gonna make

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Speaker 3: him get dressed up. But he hasn't been a JC

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Speaker 3: penny in like two and a half years, and so

751
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: they're squeezing him into this. And again, I hate wearing suits.

752
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Speaker 3: No one has looked less comfortable in a suit than

753
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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like no town would have more accepted

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00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: him showing up and what you're used to seeing and

756
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: did the you know, just like a little little hoodie

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00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: or whatever and just rolled on out there. They've been like, yeah,

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00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: our type of guy.

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00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: Major opinion on one more thing. Did you watch the

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: guy climb the building on Netflix?

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Speaker 1: I again I saw I did not like put in

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Speaker 1: the whole time, but I did see some of the

763
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Speaker 1: greatest athlete in the world. Tell me who's better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: tell me who's better Miles garretts. Miles Garrett's a terrific

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Speaker 1: football player, I mean bravest, most fearless.

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Speaker 3: Degree of difficulty. What Miles Garrett does versus my guy

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Speaker 3: climb in the building? Look, I know nothing. I don't

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Speaker 3: remember the guy's name. I know nothing about competitive climbing.

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Speaker 3: I was transfixed by that on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Would you even do that on the side of your house?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I don't know to climb on my roof.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even getting the ladder out. Yeah, I had to.

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Speaker 3: Like read I hung a new net on our driveway

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Speaker 3: basketball hoop.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my guy's climbing buildings. This was not on my radar.

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Speaker 3: I met my daughter's dance competition. One of the dad says,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna watch the guy climb the building. I go,

779
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: hell you talking about I go on my phone because

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00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: dance competitions last like five and a half hours. I'm like, well,

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00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: we're watching this tonight. Guy's gonna climb a building without

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Speaker 3: a harness, without a rope. She's like, you're gonna watch that.

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00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: I'm not and then after thirty minutes, I'm like, well,

784
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Speaker 3: I gonna watch this guy might die on television, like

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Speaker 3: this may he may fall.

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Speaker 1: This is good. I mean it's not good if that happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds bad, right, And he's stopping and posing

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00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: for photos and he's like he's got a microphone. He's

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Speaker 3: narrating it single greatest athletic feet I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's breaking new ground.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when the Bengals have boring months, this is the

792
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: crap I bring up to see it.

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Speaker 1: This is it. Now you've got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I could be a better athlete. If I could have

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Speaker 1: put him on the spreadsheet, I would have. Yeah, I

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00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: mean he could come in here something. He could probably

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Speaker 1: make a few more tackles than Genos down And with that,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next week, all right. Thanks Paul Danner.

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Speaker 3: Jor do the mock offseason exercise at Theathletic dot com.

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Speaker 3: Follow him on Twitter at Paul Danner Junior. Listen to

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Speaker 3: the Growler podcast we go through the spreadsheet. Charlie Goldsmith,

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Speaker 3: myself and Paul watch it. Listen to it and you'll enjoy.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you next week. Thanks man, Paul Danner Junior.

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