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Speaker 1: Welcome back, sincing three sixty rolls along our number three

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Speaker 1: thanks to Penn Station on the home of the Bengals

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We just got you

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Speaker 1: ready to go for the Crosstown shootout with our guy

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Speaker 1: Keegan nickoson a Bearcat journal dot com.

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Speaker 2: Let's switch gears.

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Speaker 1: Let's spend some time with our guy now, Bob Man

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Speaker 1: Jean from the University of Cincinnati and Nova care kind

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Speaker 1: enough to join us this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Bob, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Like you said Tony, just getting ready for the Crosstown shootout?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Now, I want you to brace yourself, Bob, because I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pay you some compliments here and I

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Speaker 1: don't want that to change. You know, you being able

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Speaker 1: to get out of the room and your head getting

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Speaker 1: too big. But there's so much conversation going on around

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and the ability of Joe Burrow to come

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Speaker 1: back as quick as he did to me. I go

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Speaker 1: back to the training staff because I go back to

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Speaker 1: my injury and speaking from the experience, you have friends

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Speaker 1: in your life that are saying, well, you got to

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Speaker 1: get back and play. What are you going to play?

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Speaker 1: You have family members, when are you going to play?

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Speaker 1: Coaches want you to come back and play, Teammates want

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Speaker 1: always had through the process was you and the other

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Speaker 1: my age in college that throughout anyone else that you're

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Speaker 1: the one that's going to have your true best interest

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Speaker 1: in mind. I remember conversations you and I had of

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Speaker 1: if we do this, can I hurt it any further?

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Speaker 1: If we do this, what happens? But I knew that

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Speaker 1: I was going to get the honest answer from you,

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Speaker 1: not the answer from a coach who wants you back,

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Speaker 1: or teammates or friends or different things in the process

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Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow is going through, or any other player

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Speaker 1: coming back from injury. Talk about the importance, Bob, and

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Speaker 1: that relationship between the player and the trainer to talk

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Tony for the kind words, and again

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Speaker 3: you were a pleasure to work with at your time

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Speaker 3: here at UNI versus Cincinnati. But again, how many hours

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Speaker 3: and hours does the trainer spend with their athletes. That's

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Speaker 3: the key, the fact that you know you're really working,

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Speaker 3: you're really working super hard to to not just bring

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Speaker 3: You know it has to be gold driven rehab. And again,

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Speaker 3: you know the trainer and that athlete are spending time

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Speaker 3: you knew your athlete, and I'm sure the guys at

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, you know, they know Joe Burrow, what a

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Speaker 3: all you're all relaxed on paying medicine. You pushed the

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Speaker 3: And you know, and and again we gave Louisville a

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Speaker 3: You have to have player availability, right, So you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been one they probably lived maybe the best life,

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Speaker 3: blessed life of any athletic trainer. But here you see,

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Speaker 1: How how important when you're I went to that process?

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Speaker 3: Well, you're evaluating them after every practice, you're sitting there

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Speaker 3: You know, were they able to go? Are they not

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Speaker 3: You know, because I want easy to protect yourself.

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Speaker 1: That so that that to me leads me to the

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Speaker 1: Go through something where you've been injured and then you

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Speaker 1: physically they're ready to go. Mentally, how's this athlete doing

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Speaker 3: I think it's always been a priority of mind to

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Speaker 3: I've had kids, high school kids and some college kids

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Speaker 3: And making it positive gives you that positive experience back

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Speaker 3: Then there are some kids who just are they're tough,

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Speaker 1: You're the best, it is, Bob man Jeans from the

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Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati and Novacare Bob, enjoy the shootout. Best

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Speaker 1: of luck, and you know, good luck to the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: You and Austin come over to shoot out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bob, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I told myself two years ago, I'm not going back

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Speaker 1: to the centas for the shootout just because mentally, you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about mental health. It's not a good

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Speaker 1: place for my mental health. But as we get closer.

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Speaker 3: What do you do to my mental health?

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Speaker 2: That's more about you.

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Speaker 3: We have a won there for like quite a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it. You were like twenty five, weren't you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Bob. I'll come if you can get

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Speaker 3: me a seat at the end of the bench, right.

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Speaker 2: There next to you. Austin's got some things he wants

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Speaker 3: Bust time. You're more than welcome to somewhere over and

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Speaker 3: sit with us.

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Speaker 2: I love it, Bob, You're the best man. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, have a good weekend, and I'll see you

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Speaker 3: next week.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: That is Bob manjeing the University of Cincinnati and Novacare.

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Speaker 1: From traveling to the game, walking to your seats, and

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Speaker 1: partaking in postgame celebration, your body can take a beating

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Speaker 1: from all the activity of game day. At Novercare Rehabilitation,

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Speaker 1: they understand how important it is for fans to be

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Speaker 1: there to root for their team. So the power physical

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Speaker 1: therapy you don't need to let as pains or injuries

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Speaker 1: keep you from the game. Find a center near you

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Speaker 1: at novacare dot com today. Since he three to sixty

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Speaker 2: You've got a be