1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: He's night side with Dan Ray WBS Boston's Me video. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Dan Watkins. By the way, at this 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: time tomorrow night, we will be talking with Rick Edelman. 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: I think most of you know that Rick Edelman is 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: a financial expert and he's written a new book called 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: The Truth about College and it's a very interesting book. 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: Had a chance to look at it quite a bit, 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: having read it cover to cover, but we will talk 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: to him tomorrow night. A lot of surprising statistics that 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: he has in this book. Seventy college freshmen lists their 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: major as undecided. He doesn't see that as a problem. 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: And then he has some devoted to the top mistakes 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: that parents make when guiding their children's educational choices. So 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: feel free, particularly if you have children of college age. 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: Tomorrow night at ten o'clock, Rick Edelman to take your calls, 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: take your questions if you are college admission panel generally 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: in November with Grant Gostlin of Boston College and Bill 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: fitz Simmons of Harvard. We've done that now for nineteen 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: years with John Mahoney before Grant Gostin from Boston College. 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: And it's so important, it's such a big decision as 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: to what college your kids go to. So do take 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: advantage of Rick Edelman tomorrow night. He'll spend that hour 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: with us and take phone calls in the ten o'clock hour. 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: And the book is good. But if you have a question, 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: as I say, the often said, the only questions, the 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: only dumb questions, of the questions you don't have the 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: courage to ask. Earlier tonight, I wanted to thank I 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: forgotten in the first hour, to thank a bunch of 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: folks who were kind of enough to call in and 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: tell us that our streaming service with iHeart has been restored. 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Last night, I guess the streaming was down. So if 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: you are listening anywhere and want to just give Rob 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: a quick call and let us know that the streaming 34 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: is still up. I want to thank Mike and Gregory. 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: There were others from Connecticut. A woman from Connecticut did 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: who did not leave her name, So just quickly here, 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: We're not going to put you on the air. Just 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: want to know that, yeah, you can hear us out there. 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: Give us a call at six one, seven, two, five, four, 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: ten thirty. Not only do we have problems with the 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: show outgoing last night, which I think were a problem 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: and I don't know if it was a problem with 43 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: the Internet or with iHeart, it doesn't matter. It's been resolved. 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: And we did have problems with our own telephones last 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: night as well. I'm told that there were and I 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: saw a lot of people who called in were put 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: on hold and then they dropped. Sometimes that does happen, 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: particularly if you're calling from a car and you're moving 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: and you are in a good zone when you reach us, 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: and then a bad zone you drop off. That sometimes happens. 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: So if you're out there tonight and you are listening 52 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: on the Internet wherever, whether it's in New England outside 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: of New England, just like a little reassurance that our 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: stream streaming service on the Internet is getting through. And 55 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: we'd ask you just to invest about fifteen seconds to 56 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 2: call in and reassure Rob and me that, yeah, we're 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: being hurt across the country. I see one of our 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: callers from Wisconsin calling in now, so we know at 59 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: least we're reaching Wisconsin tonight. And if you're out there 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: somewhere else, please give us a call. I did want 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: to tell you that that congressional race down in Tennessee 62 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: has been resolved. The Republican candidate. That was a district 63 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: that President Trump carried by twenty two points last November. 64 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: And now it's of course thirteen months later and the 65 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: president is not on the ballot, but those results have 66 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: come in. That was a pretty solidly solidly Republican district. 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: And see if I get you the numbers here we 68 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: get live results real quickly. This is the seventh congressional 69 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: district in Tennessee and Congress it's so it's so close 70 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: right now between the Republicans and the Democrats, and a 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: couple of members you know, switch from you know, one 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: seat switches from one party to the other. It makes 73 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: a huge difference. At this point, Matt Van Epps has 74 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: defeated the Democrat often Ben b. E h N, by 75 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: about nine percent, fifty four to forty five. There were 76 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: three other people in the race who had a sprinkling 77 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: of votes in independent candidates. Why people go through that, 78 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess they want to say that 79 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: they were in for Congress. But pretty big turnout looked 80 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: like it was close to one hundred and eighty thousand 81 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: people in a presidential election be more than that. But 82 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: with ninety nine percent of the votes counted, the Republican 83 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: Van Epps has held that seat as a Republican seat. 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: The incumbent Congress Congressman Green, I guess, is taking a 85 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: position within the Trump administration, so the Republicans hold they 86 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: hold service in that seat. There's another special election tonight 87 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: in Houston where a Democrat will be elected because they 88 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: have a runoff down there and both Democrats both the 89 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: top vote getters or Democrats, so it'll be one Democrat 90 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: or the other. And boy, I'll tell you a lot 91 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: of you being kind enough to call in and just 92 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: tell Rob, Yeah, the internet is working and it's very helpful. 93 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: I really do appreciate that I see an old high 94 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: school baseball teammate of mine is talking to Rob right now. 95 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Some of these numbers I can recognize and get to 96 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: know all of you. She thanks, thanks for calling in. 97 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: Bob was an outfielder anyway. I also want to mention 98 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: very quickly that we will be doing the Night Side 99 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: Charity combine this year. We've done it now. This will 100 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: be our thirteenth year. And for those of you who 101 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: are unfamiliar with it, if you run a charity and 102 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be a big charity. But if 103 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: you run a legitimate charity, or if you are a 104 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: volunteer for charity, you can either call in and represent 105 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: that charity. Do it with obviously the approval of the 106 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: head of the charity, but feel free. We love to 107 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: introduce our audience to new charities as well as to 108 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: some of the charities who are traditionally we profile. The 109 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: Shadow Fund will be back this year, the Mark Fidrich Foundation, 110 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: the great Detroit Tiger pitcher whose career ended too soon 111 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: after winning nineteen games in his rookie season with the 112 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: Tigers in seventy six, and a Northborough, Massachusetts native who 113 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: also passed away in a tragic accident too soon. We 114 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: will have Mark Fidrich's wife and with us again, and 115 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: of course friends from Adopt a Platoon Sauti style. Kelly 116 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: will be back with us, and there will be some 117 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: new charities that we profile. So what do you have 118 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: to do? You have to send me in the next 119 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: couple of days, because we only have a few spots 120 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: left to be honest with you, and once the spots 121 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: are filled, we might put you on a wait list 122 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: of two or three, but very few people drop out 123 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: of the last all you have to do. You will 124 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: be on air interviewed by me live on Tuesday night, 125 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: December twenty third. We will tell you in advance when 126 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: you will be on air, Yeah, within you know approximately, 127 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: we'll tell you within which half hour, and we just 128 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: ask you to be by the phone. Rob will call 129 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: you just like you're a guest on the show. Talk 130 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: about your charity. Talk about what the mission of your 131 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: charity is, what the purpose is, what group of people 132 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: do you help, whether it's children or people who are 133 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: homeless or elderly or whatever, and what you need to 134 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: make your charity better. Most charities are always looking for donations, 135 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: and you can give your website and you never know, 136 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: you get some more of donations, you get some more volunteers. 137 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: Some charities really want volunteers. So this is an opportunity 138 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: where we basically give you a good three and a 139 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: half to four minutes, not long. There will be no 140 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: tough questions, that's for sure, whatsoever. And what you have 141 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: to do is send me an email. And if you 142 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: don't have my email, I will tell you right now. 143 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: It's Dan ray d a n are Ea at I 144 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: heart meeting dot com. Simple as that, easy to get to. 145 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: You can find me on the internet. I will be 146 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: back in touch you here. I's back in touch today 147 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: with a great new charity called Second Serve out of 148 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: Rhode Island. Where do you hear about this charity? You 149 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: get some fabulous clothes at incredibly inexpensive prices, and eighty 150 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: five percent of the money that there's no money that 151 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 2: the charity makes. Eighty five percent of the money then 152 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: gets donated to other charities. So there's so many great 153 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: charities that are doing such great work here in New 154 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: England and around the country. We've had a couple of 155 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: charities outside of New England. I'm not opposed to that. 156 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: So again, you've got to send me an email, and 157 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: you've got to tell me the name and hopefully it's 158 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: your name, a daytime phone number so I can reach 159 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: you and we can set it up. Please do not say, oh, 160 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: there's a wonderful charity in our town, whatever it is, 161 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: and I don't know who the person is, or I 162 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: know who the person is, why don't you call them? Now? 163 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: We don't do out calls in this It's as simple 164 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: as that. I don't want to be in a situation 165 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: where I'm calling someone saying do you want to be 166 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: on my show? That's not what this is about. This 167 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: is about charities wanting to get some radio, some airtime, 168 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: and be able to reach beyond the borders of their community, 169 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: or of their town or wherever. So I hope have 170 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: made myself clear, Rob, I'm going to take a break, 171 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: but before I do, I want to tell folks what 172 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: I want to do for the balance of the evening. 173 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna weet your appetite a little bit 174 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: by telling you that we have here in Massachusetts a 175 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: commission that has never really accomplished much. They were designated 176 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts twice. Now the Massachusetts Seal, 177 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 2: Flag and Motto Advisory Commission is in its second term. 178 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: The first time they couldn't agree on anything and they disbanded, 179 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: so they created a second The first one was created 180 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and after spending a lot of 181 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: taxpayers money, that commission disbanded and they created a second 182 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: one in twenty twenty three. As only we do. We're 183 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts and that commission now is going to 184 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: probably disband, but they're going to ask for a an extension. 185 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: It looks like the Commission was supposed to finish its 186 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: work by last July. They asked for an extension to 187 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: December fifth, and they still have not accomplished their designated task. 188 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: This is almost humorous, but I am going to ask 189 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: for volunteers of night Side listeners and we need to 190 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: have the night Side Commission established on the Massachusetts Flag 191 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: and Model Advisory Committee. UH. And I will explain to 192 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: you some of the proposals that have been submitted and 193 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: I guess are so called front runners. Front runners and 194 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: the chmmissry that can't make a decision. We'll talk about 195 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: that if you want to jump on board and get 196 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: a head start six seven, two, five, four ten thirty 197 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. We've talked 198 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: about it before. I want just the head of a 199 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 2: seal on our white flag, which is I think a 200 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: symbolic of surrender, a head of a seal, which then 201 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: we can use as the seal for the Commonwealth. I'm 202 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: going to based upon a recommendation from a good friend, UH. 203 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: In order to be fair, we want behind the head 204 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: of the seal a shark fin because the sharks support well, 205 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: they love the seals. They have them over for dinner 206 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: all the time. We'll explain everything. I promise we're coming 207 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: right back on Nightside. This is one where I want 208 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: to have a little fun, but it's also kind of serious. 209 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: We have a seal. I think it works. I know 210 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't. Political correctness tried to wipe 211 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: it out. We're not politically correct here. You know that. 212 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: Let's have some fun. Coming back right after the break. 213 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Boston's News Radio. 214 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: So again we're talking about what is known as the 215 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. So you go 216 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty and the horrific, tragic murder of 217 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: George Floyd set off a firestorm in this country, and 218 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: there was a lot of activity, including the effort to 219 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: change the Massachusetts flag and our seal, which we've had 220 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: for a long time now. They had a commission which 221 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: is spanned and appointed in twenty twenty one and disbanded 222 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, and they had another commission appointed 223 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three which was supposed to complete their work, 224 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: but they haven't and I don't know what they're going 225 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: to do, but obviously that is not working. The commission 226 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: created last year with a one hundred thousand dollars budget. 227 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: According to a Globe story, was given a July of 228 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five deadline. That's five months ago. They received 229 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: a five month extension from the legislature to complete its work. 230 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: In August, it released for the first time a slate 231 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: of options for a new flag, seal and motto that 232 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: the public could consider. Yet, the full ten person panel 233 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: has not gathered in a meeting sense, nor has the 234 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: Commission held a series of legally mandated hearings to gather 235 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: public input ahead of a December fifteenth deadline to produce 236 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: its recommendations. The Commission now basically has told the Globe 237 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: that they're going to ask for another extension. Alana Davidson 238 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: is the commission spokesperson. We believe that more time is 239 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: needed to ensure a robust community engagement. All right, We're 240 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: going to have some robust community engagement right here on 241 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: night side. So I'm looking at what they have. They 242 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: have one here, a landscape of a North Atlantic right 243 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: whale with a white chickadee flying. The white symbolizes peace. 244 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know we would war with anybody here in Massachusetts. 245 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: Maybe peace with New Hampshire. There are similarities with the 246 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: current flag in the colors and by including a white 247 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: star dull dull, dell dull. Then they have one here 248 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: with a chickadee surrounded by turkey feathers. There's nothing that 249 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: says Massachusetts more to me than a chickadee surrounded by 250 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: turkey feathers. There we have another one that makes no 251 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: sense to me at all. A star from the common 252 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: flag has been transformed to a sun shining on a 253 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: stylized Massachusetts landscape with water, hill and mountain shapes. Really, 254 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: let me tell you that one nothing. And then we 255 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: have the blue Hill banner, which makes no sense to 256 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: me at all. At chess goes on and on, and 257 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: then of course they have modo submissions. Well there's one 258 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: here in Latin moltav vo chase hunts public op many voices, 259 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: one commonwealth that's creative. Huh, dorot anything like that before 260 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: look at your dollar bill. 261 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: Uh. 262 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: We honor all life guided by the first light thrilling. 263 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: This is a call for unity Latin bono publico latimire. 264 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: We rejoice in the public good. Yeah, it just it 265 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: makes I want to go out and dance in the 266 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: street when I hear that we rejoice in the public good. 267 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: If if it's anything that I want to rejoice in, 268 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: it certainly is the public good. Bottom line is, Look, 269 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: I have a simple solution, okay for this commission. And 270 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: if you call in, we'll designate you a member of 271 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: the night Side, the night Side, Flag, Seal and Motto 272 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: Commission for Massachusetts. Okay, so you can you can assume 273 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 2: we will designate you an official member of the night 274 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: Side Commission for a seal, a motto, and a flag 275 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: for Massachusetts. And you can give me a motto, you 276 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: give me a seal, and I think that I still 277 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: say we should take you know, I've said it before, 278 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: I'll say it again. There's nothing cuter than if you're 279 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 2: out in a harbor in the cape sometime and one 280 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: of those little seals pops up and all you sees 281 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: like the head and the whiskers in the eyes. Is 282 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: there anything more cuter than that? Maybe your grandchild, I 283 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: get it, no problem, but it's pretty cute. So I 284 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: would say we take the seal's head and we put 285 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: that as the seal on the flag. Now I have 286 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: a friend of mine who was suggested we need to 287 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: add a shark fin behind the seal, because sharks love 288 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: to have seals over for dinner. It shows the community 289 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: of Massachusetts. It shows us being together at meal time. 290 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: Unfortunately unfortunately for the seals. But you know what I'm saying. 291 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: So I need a motto. And then we just take 292 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: that seal with the sharks fin behind the seal's head 293 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: and we use that on the flag. So we get, 294 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: we get. It simplifies things a lot. Now, if you 295 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: want to vote to keep the flag with the wamp 296 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: of Noah Native American Indigenous person, I'm okay with that, 297 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: but I need you, as a Commission member to one 298 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: become a Commission member by call in six one seven, two, 299 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: five four ten thirty or six one seven nine ten thirty. 300 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: You'll be able to tell your friends you remember the 301 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: night Side Commission on the Massachusetts Flag, seal and motto. 302 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: And if you want to give me a motto, you've 303 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: got to give it to me in English. Okay. It's 304 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: as simple as that, because well, if you want to 305 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: give it a me, you can. You can say it 306 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: in another language and then tell me what it means. Well, 307 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: we will. This is our first Commission meeting the commission 308 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: meeting resumed. Rezuoms right after the news at the bottom 309 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: of the hour. I'm serious, Massachusetts for five years now 310 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: has been floundering. Maybe we should have a flounder. Oh no, 311 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: I was sticking with the seal, floundering without a new flag, 312 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: without a new seal, and without a new motto. Uh. 313 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that in my audience tonight, we have 314 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: people who can solve this dilemma that the official, the 315 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: official Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory can has not 316 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: been able to solve in over four years. So let's 317 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: get to it, Nightsiders, put those thinking caps hats on. 318 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, you do not have to live 319 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts to become a member of the night Side 320 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 2: Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. As long as 321 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: you are a listener to Nightside, you are automatically automatically. 322 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: If you call in, you are automatically And I'll tell 323 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: you what I'm gonna do here. I'm gonna make this 324 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: even better if you come up with a really good idea, 325 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: I mean really good that's even better than mine, which 326 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: is going to be tough to beat because of the judge. 327 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: You will get a night side tote bag. And by 328 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: the way, everybody who got those night side tote bags 329 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: last week, two or three of the folks have said, 330 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: what great tote bags they are. They are available at 331 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 2: night Side Gear. They are a marvelous bag for going shopping. 332 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: You know, it'll save you all those bag fees. It's 333 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: a great bag, and it's great canvas bag, and it 334 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: says proudly Nightside with Dan Ray, the Voice of Reason. 335 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, 336 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: nine three ten thirty. Let's light them up. We're gonna 337 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: have the commission. We'll come to water right after the 338 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: news at the bottom of the hour. 339 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 340 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: Okay, Now the phone's a little quiet, which disappoints me 341 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: as always. So as I said, if you can make 342 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: a great recommendation, maybe you'll get a night side tope bag. Okay, 343 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: But more importantly, I want to hear what your thought is. 344 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: We are spending a lot of money here in Massachusetts 345 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: and our first call is going to come from Wisconsin. 346 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: So all of you in Massachusetts wake up. Six one, seven, two, five, four, 347 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: ten thirty. I want your ideas. Okay, do we need 348 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: a new flag? That's the that's the that's the threshold question. 349 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: And if we do, what should it incorporate. I'm sure 350 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: there are people out there who have thoughts in their minds. 351 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 2: Please share. Let me go to Karen. Karen, thank you 352 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: for calling in. You are the first member of the 353 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: night Side Massachusetts Commission on the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and 354 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: Moto Advisory Commission. This is quite a high honor that 355 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: that you, that you have secured for yourself, and. 356 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: I thank you, I thank you. I am bowling bowing here. 357 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: No, I'm following the contrary. You're the first commission member. 358 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm the chair of the commission, but you're the first 359 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: commission member. So what would you like to see as 360 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: the seal of Massachusetts. I know you were in sponson, 361 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: but you grew up in Massachusetts. You Massachusetts, so you 362 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: more than qualify for the commission. 363 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: Thank you. I love the idea of a seal. It 364 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: makes me think of that. They're so cute and it 365 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 4: just but I don't want shark fin behind it. 366 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, you would make a motion to eliminate 367 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: the shark fin which, okay, we can consider that absolutely, yes. 368 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 4: And then just have a face of a seal and 369 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: a motto will think of or else, you know newssent 370 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 4: for the flag and the seal. 371 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we can put the seal on the flag. 372 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: The seal right now is on the flag. The seal 373 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: right now is the the Native American, the indigenous person. Uh. 374 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: And some people are upset that there's a sword sort 375 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: of like a sort of Damocles hanging over his head. Uh, 376 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: and you know they're there. I understand that point, but 377 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: but it was it was I think that was drawn 378 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: over one hundred years ago, and it's you know. 379 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 4: You know, I can't understand, but had you know. 380 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: It says the motto was by the sword, we seek peace, 381 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: but peace only under liberty. That that is our motto 382 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: right now. And the sword that was that's depicted is 383 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: similar to one that was once owned or belonged to 384 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: Miles Standarsh, a seventeenth century military commander for Plymouth Colony 385 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: known for his brutality towards the indigenous population. So I 386 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: can understand that. I understand that, But do you have 387 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: a model you'd like to propose? 388 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 4: Well, as member of the board, i'd like abow next 389 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: week so I have time to give it some thought. 390 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: Okay, we could come back to this next week. Sure, 391 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: absolutely we can. We can we we could do that. 392 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: We could do that. 393 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: And what is the question you're for putting out now? 394 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: Well, the question is you you like the idea of 395 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: the seal, but we want to get rid of the 396 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: shock fin Okay, So well we have a seal with 397 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: a shock fin or a seal without the shock fin. Uh, 398 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: and that would serve both as the flag, meaning it 399 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: would be the seal would be on the flag. That 400 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: takes care of two of the We've we've dealt with 401 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: two of the problems already. So that's in the running, 402 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: and we'll get some votes and and we'll we'll we'll 403 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: come up maybe well we'll look at this a week 404 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: from now and we maybe we'll have a vote if 405 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: we get we. 406 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: Need a motel? Are you saying we need someone will 407 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 4: come up with a model? 408 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: You know? I mean there's you know, on our money 409 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: it says in God we trust, and then there's different 410 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: mottols you know, I mean. 411 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 4: Already in the right. 412 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to throw a model model in here, 413 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: you can, and if not, next week call back. We'll 414 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: we'll have another meeting of the Commission, and as a 415 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: member of the Commission, I'm gonna want you to call back. Okay, 416 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: we'll have a folks, we will get we will get 417 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: this accomplished. Okay, fair enough, we will get this done. 418 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: All right. Thanks care o, thanks caring. Appreciate you call 419 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: so much. Talk soon. Okay, have a great bay given 420 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: bye bye six one seven ten thirty six one seven 421 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. Look be it will be 422 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: a uh, a seal and a flag at a motto. 423 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking for the best and brightest of my night 424 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: side listeners to come up with either one or any 425 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: of all three. Gonna take a break. I got some 426 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 2: open lines, which is always discouraging. I want to have 427 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: some fun with this, but I also want to want 428 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: you to realize that that whatever we can put forward, 429 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: maybe the Mission will vote on it, or maybe we'll 430 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: have an overwhelming Look. I'm still liking the seal's head okay, 431 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: and Karen liked it, but she didn't want the shark 432 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: fin So we have two possibilities at this point. We 433 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: need to broaden our appeal and then we need to 434 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: get some people to react to it. So if you 435 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 2: have a thought, let's have at it six one seven 436 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: two thirty six one seven, nine thirty Coming right back 437 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: on Nightside. 438 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's 439 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: news radio. 440 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: Back to the phones. Go, Let's go to al up 441 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: on the north shore in swamps kain Al. Welcome to Nightside. 442 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: How are you? 443 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 5: Hey? 444 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: Good? 445 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 5: Dan? Thanks? I personally Dan, I'm I'm fine with the 446 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 5: existing flag, okay, But as a fishing then I'm against 447 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 5: the seal because the seals really do a lot of 448 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 5: damage as far as eating a lot of fish. And 449 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: I've actually seen fish taken by seals that were on 450 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 5: someone's line before. 451 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, they could be. They're so down cute 452 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: though all maybe not when you're own fishing, though, I 453 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: get it, I get it. 454 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, true. Well along those same lines though, I think 455 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 5: the cord, which is the fish of. 456 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: The state, Yeah, yeah. 457 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 5: The sacred that could be on the flag. And I 458 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 5: think maybe the motto could be something like Massachusetts the 459 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 5: Bay state in cord. We trust. 460 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: That's a good one. Now, that's clever, that's clever. Did 461 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: you come up with that in your own right? 462 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 5: In cod I've seen I've seen bumper stick that's okay. 463 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the first person, and that's a good motto 464 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: in cord cod uh uh you look is it isn't 465 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: cord like haddock? Isn't that what cod is. 466 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 5: Is a white laky fish? And yeah, it's very very good. 467 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: Yes, no, but I'm saying it's what it says when 468 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: I go to the store. I'm not a big fan 469 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: of trout or stuff like that. I like haddock. Is 470 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: cord similar? Card is similar to the haddock I've had cord 471 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: is it fish? And chips? Card pretty much cotta chips. 472 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 5: It is dan Yet they're both ground fish and they 473 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 5: both look very similar one. The haddock is a lot 474 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 5: smaller and silver more, and the cord gets to be 475 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: a lot bigger and it's brownish in color. 476 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: What is a ground fish? I've heard that term used before, 477 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: and I honestly don't know what that means. 478 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 5: Basically, it means that they live along the floor in 479 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 5: the bottom for the most part, so brown, the haddock, pollock, 480 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 5: cause those type of fish. It's a group of fish. Yeah, 481 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 5: I don't know exactly all the fish that belonging to 482 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 5: a flounder. 483 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: I definitely want to now are you are you a 484 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: sports fisherman or are you a commercial fisherman? 485 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 5: A little bit of both. I come from a commercial 486 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 5: fishing family and my brother fishes out of Gloucester. My 487 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 5: father was a fisherman and I'm an engineer, but I 488 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 5: haven't my blood and it's really one of my big 489 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 5: loves and life is fishing. 490 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: How far? How far do you go offshore when you're 491 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: doing commercial fishing. 492 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 5: The furthest I have a smaller boat about about fourteen miles. 493 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's pretty good. You know, the horizon is sixteen 494 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: I think at ground level, So your your respect on 495 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: the horizon at that point. And when you're out there, 496 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: what are you looking to catch? Well? 497 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: I used to catch a lot of cod, but the 498 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 5: regulations is such that a lot of the places I 499 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 5: close now, so I don't do as much of that. 500 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 5: But I do a lot of striper fishing, and they 501 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 5: have a commercial season during the summer and I take 502 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 5: part in that. 503 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: Striper or bass. Right, I'm not a fisherman. You probably 504 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: can tell already. 505 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 5: Yeah they are. Then yep they get pretty big. Well, yeah, yep, 506 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 5: they can get up to almost one hundred pounds. That's 507 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 5: the record. Might be that big, not many of that big, 508 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 5: but there's a lot can get up to like forty 509 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 5: fifty pounds. 510 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: And let me atte when you have been out fourteen miles, 511 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: what is the weirdest site you've seen in terms of 512 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: you know, fish or whatever, but you ever have a 513 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: whale come up to you or anything like that or no. 514 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 5: A couple of things. One time, a couple of years 515 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 5: ago in Boston Harbor, there were a lot of pogis, 516 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 5: which are also called men hating. There were a bait 517 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 5: fish and I had one one fish on the line, 518 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 5: and I had another line out with bait on it, 519 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 5: and I was reeling it in in a whale came 520 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 5: up and breached like about one hundred feet from me, 521 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 5: and the other line started peeling off. And what happened 522 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 5: was the whale, you know, got tangled in the lot 523 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 5: nut tangled, but I mean a little fishing, And I 524 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: just watched the line just go all the way off 525 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 5: the off the reel and it pooled ill for all 526 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 5: the line. So that was one one. 527 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have I would have had a strong 528 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: drink when I get back. 529 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I was glad he didn't come any closer, 530 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 5: for sure. Dan that's for sure. 531 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we got in cad we trust here that 532 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: that's a great motto. I'm I'm I'm going to nominate that. Uh, 533 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: and we'll we'll do we'll do something on this if 534 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 2: if nothing else to embarrass this commission that can't make 535 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: a decision. Yep. 536 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 5: That sounds like a like a good idea and I 537 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 5: appreciate it. 538 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for calling him. We'll talk soon. Okay, 539 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Let me go to Frank in Boston. Hey, Frank, 540 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you, sir? 541 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: I'm fine, How are you? Dan? 542 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: Excellent? So, what what would you like to add to 543 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: our commission meeting tonight as a as as as a 544 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 2: commissioner from Boston? 545 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: Well, uh, put it this way. Uh, the origin of 546 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 3: the name of the state is the is Massasay? It 547 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: isn't it? 548 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: I believe? 549 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: So? 550 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 551 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: And why why not keep the indigenous person on the flag, 552 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 3: do away with the sword and honor the Massasay? 553 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that is is reasonable. 554 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: Makes sense to me. 555 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. What about Yeah, what about my idea of you're 556 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: not buying the seal as the seal of No. 557 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 3: No, the seal is completely different from the flag. 558 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: Well you could, well, you could use the two ways. 559 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: You could use the seal as a seal meaning and 560 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: you just you could right now, the the seal of 561 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth is what's in the middle of the flag. 562 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 3: Well then then keep that being, I mean, get rid 563 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: of the sword. 564 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: Just get rid of the sword. Okay. What do you 565 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: what do you think about the motto in God we trust? 566 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I think that's a little Connie. 567 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 2: I thought you're going to say it was a little fishy. Okay, 568 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 2: no problem. Well I think it was a good effort, 569 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 570 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: As far as the model, you know, I haven't given 571 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 3: that much thought. But the flag always bothered me because 572 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: of the sword. 573 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: Really really Okay? Did it bother you before the I mean, 574 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: all of this controversy sort of erupted in the wake 575 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: of the George Floyd murder, and I had it always 576 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: when you say, always bothered you. 577 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: Even I didn't see the purpose of it, you know. 578 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, what they what they said was that the that 579 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 2: the purse. The purpose of it was that when again 580 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: in the Global article here it says the design draws 581 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: on the original seal of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which 582 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: featured a Native American man naked but for some shrubbery 583 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: around is growing, saying come over and help us. And 584 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 2: the sword depicted once belonged to Miles Standards, a seventeenth 585 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: century military commander. I understand that the image was draped 586 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: by a Latin model that said by the sword, we 587 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: seek peace, but peace only under liberty. And I think 588 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: the concept of liberty was pretty big at the time 589 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 2: of the Revolution, when we were trying to get out 590 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: from under the boot of the British Empire. So you know, 591 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: I guess you've got to take it in context in 592 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 2: terms of time. 593 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, but you know it's time, it's time for change. Okay, Well, Frank, 594 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: just get rid of the sword. 595 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: Well that's okay, we got it. We'll have that up 596 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: for a vote next week maybe. And you're an official 597 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: member of the night Side Commission. I want you to 598 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 2: know that, and with that comes all sorts of rights 599 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 2: and privileges which we we still haven't figured out. Okay, 600 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 2: it's but but you are a commissioner with portfolio. I 601 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: want you to know if anybody asks you. Okay, all right, 602 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 2: you two, Frank, doctor you soon have a great night. 603 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break. Florence and Laura, you stay 604 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: right there. And we got one open line at six 605 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: one seven, two five four ten thirty and two at 606 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Let's keep 607 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: it rolling. We're talking about the failure of the Massachusetts 608 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: Seal Flag and Moto Advisory Commission, and we will fill. 609 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: We will fill this UH responsibility for them. We will 610 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: fill the breach, is what I was trying to say 611 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: back on night Side, right after this