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Speaker 1: Quick update on our web pole.

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Speaker 2: It's doubled since I put out the call to action

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Speaker 2: to go check it out at my Twitter feed at

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Speaker 2: Tim Ben's PGH. Very simple question, do you like the

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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward contract extension?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Or no?

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Speaker 2: Guy just had an all pro year, an all time

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Speaker 2: favored Steeler at least prior to last year when everybody

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Speaker 2: turned on him when he asked for more money and

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Speaker 2: got like, what did he get to get more vacation

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Speaker 2: days or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, oh that's what they do here at iHeart that's hell.

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Speaker 3: It worried.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got those confused.

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Speaker 2: So he got whatever he got, his bonuses that he

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Speaker 2: was never going to hit because the team was never gonna.

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Speaker 1: Win a playoff game anyway.

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Speaker 2: So people turned on Cam Hayward in that regard, and

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Speaker 2: apparently they're holding a grudge because despite the fact that

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Speaker 2: he played pretty well last year, fifty four percent of

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Speaker 2: you say you don't like the fact that Cam Hayward

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Speaker 2: got a contract extension. So I will pose perhaps a

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Speaker 2: little bit more difficult question, but still pretty simple. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: why why are more of you? Are you unhappy that

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Speaker 2: Cam got the extension?

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Speaker 1: Then you are.

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Speaker 2: Happy that he did again eight three to three four

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Speaker 2: one two ninety nine, thirty nine. The reasons to say

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Speaker 2: yes are pretty clear. It's not a backbreaking contract. In fact,

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Speaker 2: with the way the dollars are going to be spread

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Speaker 2: amongst it, it opens up five million that'll probably go

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Speaker 2: to keeping Aaron Rodgers when he eventually does decide that

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Speaker 2: he wants to play, and that'll happen and you won't

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Speaker 2: notice the difference because it's five that Cam cleared up.

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Speaker 1: And that's my guess is that when Rogers comes back.

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Speaker 2: And this is probably a little bit about money to

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Speaker 2: a certain degree, it's not as a lock. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: simply fourteen million dollars do you want it or not?

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Speaker 2: They're probably talking how much or how close to or

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Speaker 2: how far above do you get from twenty million dollars

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Speaker 2: And that's roughly what's been created by Cam. So you

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Speaker 2: can't be upset about the money. If you're saying yes

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Speaker 2: that you are happy that Cam got the contract extension.

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Speaker 2: Not only you're saying yes because because he's a good

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Speaker 2: player and still has something in the tank, it appears

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Speaker 2: you are also avoiding creating a hole that doesn't need

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Speaker 1: That's something you have to keep in mind too.

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Speaker 2: Like as we talked about yesterday, I largely thought that

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Speaker 2: what the Steelers did in their approach to free agency

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Speaker 2: was smart. Now, you may or may not like Pittman

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Speaker 2: like Dean as a cornerback, the guy from Tampa Bay

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Speaker 2: that they got. But I think it was wise for

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Speaker 2: them if they feel that safety is a deeper position

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Speaker 2: in the draft. And we'll talk to Chris Damski about

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Speaker 2: this later on. Okay, you had needs at both positions

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Speaker 2: in the secondary, there were affordable corners, including keeping one

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Speaker 2: cornerback position and address safety in the draft. You knew

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Speaker 2: that you couldn't address three times in the draft wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: so sign at least one. Definitely go get at least

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Speaker 2: you can address some other things. Another one of those

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Speaker 2: things that you would have had to address early is

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Speaker 2: getting another defensive lineman ready to go and start next

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Speaker 2: next season. Now, this is all probably going to come

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Speaker 2: crashing down some year or another with Cam. I don't

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how I think it's going to go.

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Speaker 2: But for those who are saying no, and I'm more

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Speaker 2: like the idea that Cam is getting a new contract.

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Speaker 2: I want to know if that's about bitterness because of

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Speaker 2: what happened last year in training camp where he had

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Speaker 1: Is it something bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: Is it just another deal to keep around a guy

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Is this just a symbolic reaction.

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Speaker 2: From Steelers fans who are saying I don't like the

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Speaker 2: for how many years before kept getting contract extensions like

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers potentially coming back. Is this just another indication

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Speaker 2: of my god, why are they working so hard to

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Speaker 2: think that's part of it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I voted yes for the pragmatic reasons that I just

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Speaker 2: in February. The Steelers weren't gonna let him do that

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Speaker 2: again this year. If they didn't end up getting a

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Speaker 1: So from that aspect, I also think it's.

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Speaker 2: Smart to have gotten it done when they finally did

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Speaker 2: get it done. Now, as far as the Crosby thing goes,

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Speaker 2: and we talked about this in Hour number two. We'll

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Speaker 2: course of this program we'll bring it up with Mike

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Speaker 2: de Courci, in fact, later on this hour from the

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Speaker 2: Sporting News getting some college basketball with Mike two. But

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Speaker 2: how it relates to the Steelers. The lens through which

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Speaker 2: you can view this from the Steelers' point of view

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Speaker 2: is TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt.

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Speaker 2: And for those who say, what's the market for TJ. Watt, Well,

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Speaker 2: apparently if Max Crosby can go for two first rounders,

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Speaker 1: Number one.

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Speaker 2: He was never gonna It's not just that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: That wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't think other teams were going to give

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Speaker 1: Watt. I know that Pursuda talked about that quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: He brought that up in the DV Morning Show, that

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Speaker 2: sort of suggesting that he might hold out if he

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Speaker 2: didn't get a deal done this year. You're not getting

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Speaker 2: two first rounders like that never should have been a

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Speaker 2: litmus test. That never should have been a connection that

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Speaker 2: So where I'm going with this is the connection to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind that the one team that was willing

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Speaker 2: pass rusher regretted it immediately and has burned every bridge

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Speaker 2: going to Las Vegas for that pick because a guy

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Speaker 1: Now, I know TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt isn't a free agent, so it's not exactly an

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Speaker 2: within the span of forty eight hours after the deal

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Speaker 2: much collateral to give back to get a stud pass

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Speaker 1: Eight three, three, four one two ninety nine thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: You can also tweet me at Tim Benz PGH plus.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from Penguins fans on the game

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Speaker 2: last night. I was really emotionally invested in that one.

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Speaker 2: I was exaggerating, but not by much. My reaction to

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Speaker 2: three is a coin flip. Shootouts aren't coin flips. For

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Speaker 2: ten times. It's not supposed to happen that way more

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Speaker 2: for as frustrating as it is, for as nonsensical as

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Speaker 2: it feels like us analyzing you win it or you don't.

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Speaker 1: That's it. There's not much analysis to it.

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Speaker 2: It's like Chevy Chase going into the dirt casino in

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Speaker 2: But you can't analyze it. You can't kick yourself afterwards.

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Speaker 2: There's just no good at it and they're always gonna lose,

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Speaker 2: and it's that it's got to affect how they're playing

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Speaker 2: and how they're gripping their sticks in overtime, because when

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Speaker 2: was like, well, that's it. But I do want to

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Speaker 2: very interesting point of view on the latest Steelers signing.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that's from next one five nine The X.

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Speaker 1: This is him.

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Speaker 1: Warren still can.

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Speaker 2: But one thing that Pittman can do is he can

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Speaker 2: back to the Calvin Austin thing one more time. Completely

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Speaker 1: The Steelers always seem to.

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Speaker 1: That could run with them. Stride for stride wasn't.

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Speaker 2: The same thing as playing in the mid major conference

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Speaker 2: But you can get a guy who's an outside the

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Speaker 2: Let's get to Kurt who's calling from the South Hills

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, Kurt, Yeah, I don't know why they would

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's never wanted to leave. He's just wanted more money.

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Speaker 7: Leave hit for just leave football.

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Speaker 3: The guy has made too much money.

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Speaker 7: He's seed this on his mouth a little bit and

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Speaker 2: So this is when you're you would have voted no

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Speaker 7: I just think he's ungrateful and he's been a baby

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Speaker 2: But you do know that in doing this they actually

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Speaker 2: So it's like it's not this year where Cam being

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Speaker 7: Well, could they could they have? Could he retired and

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Speaker 1: What this year? You wanted to retire this season?

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Speaker 7: I'm over Kim Hayworth?

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Speaker 2: You make your point? Thank you appreciate the call. I

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Speaker 2: But who are you going to replace him with? Liked

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Speaker 1: There are already so many other needs out there.

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Speaker 3: Mike.

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Speaker 1: Where are you right now? Are you at the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten Tournament?

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Speaker 3: No, I am still in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 9: I'm planning to try to get down for some of

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Speaker 2: By the way, up ten fifty three to forty three.

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Speaker 2: Based on what I saw on Saturday, There's no way

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Speaker 2: If folks don't know the reference, Richmond blew a thirty

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Speaker 2: Mike, maybe get back to some college basketball a little

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Speaker 3: In the NFL.

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Speaker 9: You do what you can to try to get the

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Speaker 9: And this was almost entirely a cap space maneuver, and

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Speaker 9: they can use to sign, whether it's the rookie class

446
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Speaker 9: or whether it's to sign some more players out there.

447
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Speaker 2: Look, well, it could be it could almost be exactly

448
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: dollar for dollar, Mike. It could be the difference for Rogers,

449
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Speaker 2: and you bring back Rogers for ostensibly the same Well

450
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Speaker 2: there you go.

451
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And and like, that's not my favorite maneuver of

452
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Speaker 9: all the Steelers' off season maneuvers. But you do need

453
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Speaker 9: to have somebody to play quarterback, and I think we're

454
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Speaker 9: out of other options at this point.

455
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Speaker 2: What would you have them do now at quarterback if

456
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Speaker 2: it's not Rogers? Was there a guy who's off the

457
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Speaker 2: board yet already that you would have preferred? Were you

458
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: a Malik Willis guy or what should they do or

459
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: should have done at the QB position.

460
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Speaker 9: Well, I certainly liked what I saw from Malik Willis

461
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Speaker 9: in his late season renaissance in Green Bay. But I

462
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Speaker 9: don't think that it would would have been good business,

463
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Speaker 9: too much of.

464
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Speaker 3: A gamble to give the kind of money that he received.

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Speaker 2: I thought on it, Justice, I agree with you. I

466
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Speaker 2: agree with you. I think that that was smart the

467
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Speaker 2: way you said that, Mike. I think if they had

468
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Speaker 2: gotten some version of even the high end of thirty

469
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Speaker 2: million twenty five million that have been floated out there

470
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Speaker 2: and done the Justin Fields approach with that dollar amount,

471
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Speaker 2: given the cap inflation in their space, they could have

472
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Speaker 2: done that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but this is this is a lot of money

474
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Speaker 9: to risk, and it's not going to get the Steelers.

475
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Speaker 3: It's not It's not more likely than not.

476
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Speaker 9: I would say the odds of it getting the Steelers

477
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Speaker 9: to where they want to be long term. And remember,

478
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Speaker 9: every time you invest that much money at the quarterback spot,

479
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Speaker 9: or say let's say the twenty first overall pick in

480
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Speaker 9: the twenty two draft and a quarterback, you're you're taking

481
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Speaker 9: it years down the road. And so I don't think

482
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Speaker 9: that that would have been the prudent approach. And I'm

483
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Speaker 9: not super crazy about Aaron Rodgers coming back, but when

484
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Speaker 9: I saw the dollar figures for Willis was I was

485
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Speaker 9: much more content with that concept.

486
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Speaker 1: Would you prefer that they try Howard or draft someone.

487
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the Howard thing is sort of a fantasy.

488
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Speaker 3: I mean, he may be, and I say that as

489
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Speaker 3: a long term starter. The odds I did.

490
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Speaker 9: I did a piece about a month ago for the

491
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Speaker 9: s N Pittsburgh site that we're running at the Sporting

492
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Speaker 9: News now and I write occasional columns there, maybe not

493
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Speaker 9: so much during March Madness, but for the rest of

494
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Speaker 9: the time. And I looked back at every single sixth

495
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Speaker 9: or seventh round pick I think it was that was

496
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Speaker 9: drafted at that position and since since the turn of

497
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Speaker 9: the century, and the hit rate on anything approaching what

498
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Speaker 9: the Steelers are looking for is about one in two

499
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Speaker 9: hundred or something like that.

500
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Speaker 3: I can't remember the numbers exactly.

501
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Speaker 9: But it's will Howard as a as a answer at

502
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Speaker 9: the quarterback position is basically a lottery ticket. It might hit,

503
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Speaker 9: but you're probably going back the next day deciding whether

504
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 9: to play the mega millions instead.

505
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Speaker 2: I'm of a similar mind about Howard. There's this part

506
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Speaker 2: of me that just wants to see it so we

507
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Speaker 2: can talking about it if it's not worth talking about.

508
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Speaker 2: And I'm like you where I think that bringing back

509
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: Rogers is just begging for more of the same and

510
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Speaker 2: anything if you're doing the scale of where he could

511
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Speaker 2: be better, because it's McCarthy's offense and not Arthur Smith's.

512
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Speaker 2: It's a new team, not a reboot of the Tomlin team.

513
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Speaker 2: Like any improvements that he could make there I think

514
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: will be offset because well, he's just another year older

515
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: and just another year away from forty.

516
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Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna walk.

517
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Speaker 9: But how Tim, I will say this, how much more

518
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 9: immobile can he get?

519
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Speaker 3: True?

520
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Speaker 2: So you're saying that this year could be better for

521
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: him just because of the offensive structure, then we might

522
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Speaker 2: get a better Aaron Rodgers.

523
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Speaker 3: I think we might get. And I thought last year's

524
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Speaker 3: Rodgers was fine.

525
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Speaker 9: I just thought that you saw in certain circumstances the

526
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 9: Houston game in the Cleveland game being very glaring examples

527
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Speaker 9: that if you're going up against a team that has

528
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Speaker 9: that sort of of ferocity on the opposite side of

529
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Speaker 9: the of the line of scrimmage, you're.

530
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Speaker 3: Gonna have problems. He beat good teams, not a ton

531
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Speaker 3: but Detroit.

532
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but some of them were non playoff teams because

533
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 9: the Steelers beat.

534
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 3: Them Detroit one, Baltimore another.

535
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: Uh.

536
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Speaker 9: But so I think that he is capable of beating

537
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 9: good teams. But what are the odds that you're manipulating

538
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 9: yourself all the way through, first of all, the regular

539
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 9: season and getting what you need, and then you get

540
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 9: to the playoffs and you're gonna, Okay, we'll see Houston

541
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Speaker 9: and you know, and Seattle won't make it this time,

542
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 9: and like, it's just so much hope that you don't

543
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 9: face that situation, and more than likely you do. I

544
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 9: do think that he can be better with this offense,

545
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 9: especially not just change of coaches, although it's nice to

546
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 9: be liberated for Arthur Smith, but more so what they're

547
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 9: doing with the person.

548
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: Else so far. I really like the move at wide receiver.

549
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Speaker 9: I don't have a problem with going from two running

550
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 9: backs that were kind of similar to one that's a

551
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 9: bit different but very productive than the guy you have

552
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 9: in company. And then you still have Caleb Johnson.

553
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Speaker 3: As you know.

554
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Speaker 9: I know that people are saying, well, that's over for him. Well, no,

555
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 9: he's one injury away from a lot of carries and

556
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 9: a lot of responsibility, and maybe he's ready to handle it.

557
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: I like doubt all In fact, that was my favorite

558
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: of the three. I think Pittman's a good get because

559
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: he can do one of two things. He can be

560
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: an outside the numbers guy. He can be a big

561
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: slot guy if you need him to be, depending on

562
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: what you draft who I hope, if not right away,

563
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: very soon becomes the number two. The two b to

564
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Speaker 2: DK being a two way, because I really hesitate to

565
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Speaker 2: call him a number one. He's just their best receiver.

566
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Speaker 2: He's not a number one receiver. There's a difference and Dean.

567
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Speaker 2: I don't know how to feel. The real you know,

568
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: football nerd guys seem to like Dean, But there is

569
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: a little bit of a yin and yang out there

570
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Speaker 2: from the Tampa fan base that I've seen in the

571
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: media base not of him as a guy, and most

572
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: people rave about him as a guy, and they got

573
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: very similar results. From what I can tell from Indie

574
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: people who cover Pittman, they seem to got a couple

575
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: of good guys here. If nothing else that at that position,

576
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: those two positions can go the other way, as we

577
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: have seen.

578
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Speaker 1: So you know, I liked all three of those moves.

579
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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with any of them.

580
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: I would have preferred Pierre to keep being Samuel, Yeah,

581
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: I would have. But at the same time, if now

582
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: we're talking about the third cornerback and they got another

583
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: cornerback to start opposite a Porter, I'm not gonna fret

584
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: about that at all.

585
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 8: No.

586
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 9: I you know, I don't look one position where I

587
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 9: don't take a fan base's word for at his corner.

588
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 9: And that's and it's it's fair to the fans because

589
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 9: it's a position where you are most noticed when you

590
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 9: are getting you giving up a pass and it's not

591
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 9: even necessarily touchdowns because he doesn't.

592
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: It's not touchdowns for Joey Porter because he never does.

593
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 9: But because you get a penalty or somebody gets a completion,

594
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 9: people get frustrated. It's a it's a very difficult position

595
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 9: position to be perceived as successful by the fan base.

596
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 9: But I did watch some some videos from some of

597
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 9: the like you said, football nerds or whatever you want

598
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 9: to call them, and they are really and they're really

599
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 9: enamored of this and not just Steelers base, but national

600
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 9: not not necessarily national media, but nationally based football nerds

601
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 9: that do YouTube videos and that sort of thing. Because

602
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 9: I wanted to see some of his tape. I mean,

603
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 9: I have never watched Tampa's corners and said, okay, are

604
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 9: they any good? So I wanted to see his tape,

605
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 9: and the breakdowns that they put out there were pretty positive,

606
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 9: and so I look at it as an opportunity to

607
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 9: really get better at that position. With that, and of

608
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 9: course you have to extend Joey Porter, and then you

609
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 9: signed Samuel to another year and you still have Brandon Echols.

610
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: That's a pretty deep corner spot.

611
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 9: I mean, think about the cornerback position in Pittsburgh over

612
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 9: the over the post merger era, and you once you

613
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 9: get past Blunt Woodson and Ike and now Joey, I mean,

614
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 9: it's a really lean list.

615
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: Mike, of course you with us before we get to

616
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: college basketball. Mike, last football thing, the Max Crosby situation.

617
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: This has to kill the legal tampering period.

618
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: Right, it's a weird thing.

619
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Speaker 9: I still don't know exactly what to make of what happened,

620
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 9: and I don't know, I don't know what whether the

621
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 9: Raiders are going to press this or not, because you know,

622
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 9: they had they made a deal, and a lot of

623
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 9: their maneuvering was done on the basis of, Okay, that

624
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 9: guy's gone, we get two picks. This is how we're planning,

625
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 9: and then they just ship him back. I wonder about

626
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 9: how the Raiders are going to react in time, and

627
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 9: we've only had less than twenty four hours for.

628
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: Them to say whether they're into this or not.

629
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 9: And I've got to think that it's really problematic for

630
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 9: them to be in that circumstance because they made a

631
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 9: lot of plans.

632
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: Based on the e idea that they had this trade

633
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: in place.

634
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 9: I don't know whether or not they've executed a ton

635
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 9: in terms of what they've signed, et cetera. But you

636
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 9: plan based on this is we have this deal in place,

637
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 9: and and we're going forward, and then all of a

638
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 9: sudden it's no, You're he's back in your lap. And

639
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 9: it's not just like some guy that does you know

640
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 9: that's on a five million dollar contract. I mean, this

641
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 9: guy's a huge chunk of salary. Camp it's a big

642
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 9: difference to have him back in your lap and having

643
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 9: to deal with that.

644
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: What should Pitt do with Jeff Cable.

645
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Speaker 9: That is that I that is the hardest question because

646
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 9: my understanding is the figure is eleven million dollars.

647
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Speaker 3: If you have eleven million dollars to spend on.

648
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 9: Getting rid of them, wouldn't it be better to go

649
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 9: out and get three really great players.

650
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: Well that's what Aiding Fish, the former walk on, said

651
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: that for Pitt, they've got a ton of traction.

652
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I think it was him who said.

653
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Speaker 4: It.

654
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: Might have been an account that uses his name, but

655
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: I saw it all over the place. Somebody made that

656
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: exact point, and Mom and I were talking about that

657
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: on the air yesterday.

658
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Like it it's a very.

659
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Salient point to say, if you're gonna raise money to

660
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: buy a guy out, why not raise money to go

661
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: out and get more good players?

662
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, like a year ago, there were I

663
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 9: thought they had a good enough team to make the tournament,

664
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Speaker 9: and I didn't think Jeff did the greatest job, especially

665
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 9: on the defensive end. I thought that he was much

666
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 9: too oriented toward the offense and too protective of the

667
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 9: twins in terms of their playing time when they weren't

668
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Speaker 9: really successful at either end of the floor. And I

669
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 9: thought that was problematic. But I look at this season,

670
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 9: and I know they didn't have enough good players. I

671
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 9: know that they invested some in players that weren't able

672
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Speaker 9: to play because of injury, et cetera. And I know

673
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 9: last year's team that even with the defensive limitations they

674
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 9: had when when they had injuries last year really knocked

675
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Speaker 9: them back. I like, I understand, like, if you have

676
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Speaker 9: lots of money and it's flowing you know, out of

677
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 9: the out of the walls of the peak, then okay, great,

678
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 9: then do both. But if it's an either or, I

679
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 9: don't know that you can change this appreciably by not

680
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 9: investing in the roster in today's era. And I don't

681
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 9: think that I think that Jeff is a capable coach.

682
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna say he's elite, but I think he's

683
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 9: a capable coach. And I do think that they could

684
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Speaker 9: probably use some adjustments on their coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: I think they need someone that's better on.

686
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Speaker 9: The defensive side, a defensive coordinator type. I do think

687
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Speaker 9: that they could use that and it would make them better,

688
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 9: especially after what I saw a year ago, that you

689
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Speaker 9: need somebody to come in and spruce up your d Hey,

690
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Speaker 9: John de Lan's the greatest offensive mind in all the

691
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 9: time that I've been covering college basketball, just a genius

692
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Speaker 9: at generating offense.

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Speaker 3: But he was defense was just that thing that happened

694
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: over there. To him. It was never his focus.

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Speaker 9: And his team's got great when he said Okay, I'm

696
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 9: gonna go out higher at DC, and they got great

697
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Speaker 9: when that happened, and they made some significant runs and

698
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 9: some significant progress. And I don't think that Jeff Caple

699
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Speaker 9: is above that if John b Line.

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Speaker 2: Isn't the year that pick got snubbed in what was

701
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Speaker 2: that twenty four and the ACC only got a couple

702
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: of schools in. I'm looking at the bubble right now, Mike,

703
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 2: and there's like for what I would consider to be

704
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: substandard ACC teams that still have a chance to get in, right,

705
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Speaker 2: And I get it, the Pac ten. These are some

706
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Speaker 2: Pac ten teams. There are Packed twelve teams that are

707
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: now in the ACC. But is the ACC that much

708
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: better this year than it was that year? I don't

709
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Speaker 2: think it is, at least in terms of the quality

710
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: of the teams. I mean, maybe they're gaming the system better.

711
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the PAC twelve schools that will come over,

712
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Speaker 2: But it's not like I'm watching the ACC this year

713
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: and saying, oh, yeah, they should get nine, ten to

714
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Speaker 2: eleven teams in.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel that way.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that you have to remember that when

717
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 9: you see all those teams at the bottom of the list,

718
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 9: it's not the same year as twenty four because that

719
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Speaker 9: year Pitt.

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Speaker 3: Might have gotten in. If that year were like this year,

721
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Speaker 3: Pitt might have.

722
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 9: Gotten in, Saint Louis might have gotten in, Seaton Hall

723
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 9: might have gotten in because the difference between that year

724
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 9: and this year was a lesser bubble, if you want

725
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 9: to call it that, where the teams that are trying

726
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 9: to get it aren't as good generally, and right now,

727
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 9: the worst case scenario for the bubble teams is probably

728
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 9: two bids go off the table if Miami loses the

729
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 9: RedHawks lose in the MAC Tournament, and if Saint Louis

730
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 9: excuse me not a Saint Louis, if Utah State loses

731
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 9: in the Mountain West Tournament. Right now, Saint Louis and

732
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 9: VCU I both have and most people have getting in

733
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 9: in the A ten, So that's probably If one of

734
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 9: those two doesn't win.

735
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: The A ten, then probably VCU slides off the bubble.

736
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 9: Anyway, so there's more spots available now than there were before.

737
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: Like Cow's not CA hasn't done enough.

738
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Speaker 9: I mean, my goodness, they lost a pit no offense,

739
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 9: but they lost a pit at home and to Wake

740
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 9: Forest in the final eight days.

741
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 3: Of the season.

742
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Speaker 9: Now it's not about necessarily recency, but if you're losing

743
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 9: to that level of team, you're probably not a tournament team. Stanford,

744
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 9: same thing yesterday, loses on a neutral floor. You're seeing

745
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 9: that Virginia Tech lost on a neutral floor, so they're

746
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 9: not better necessarily. But the competition isn't as strong this

747
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 9: year as it was two seasons ago.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, Mike, because we're up against it.

749
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Speaker 2: But I gotta ask you this, if Capele is gone,

750
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Speaker 2: who's your favorite coach for Pitt Maybe not the best

751
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: potential coach, but who would your favorite coach be? Is

752
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: someone who's looking at Syracuse's situation with Autry officially gone.

753
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: Now I want shirts from Saint Louis If you're a

754
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: pit fan, Who who should pit fans want if Capele's gone?

755
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I know you on shirts if I've got to

756
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 9: tell you not to offend you. But if I were

757
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 9: Josh SHIRTZ, I would wait, I would wait until one

758
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 9: of the good jobs the Syracuse I mean, I mean,

759
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 9: like one of those that is in a league where

760
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 9: everybody's funded and every everybody has a chance and you're funded,

761
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Speaker 9: and I don't like I've heard that Syracuse has had

762
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 9: funding problems in terms of their roster. And if I'm

763
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 9: going there, it's, uh, it's okay. I know how much

764
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 9: I'm getting, and it's more than most of the teams

765
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Speaker 9: in the league except for Carolina Duke. If that, and

766
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 9: then Syracuse becomes super attractive again because.

767
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Speaker 3: It's a great basketball town. They have unbelievable tradition.

768
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Speaker 4: Uh.

769
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Speaker 3: The the the idea of playing in the Dome is

770
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Speaker 3: still a different deal.

771
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 9: And you've got a great facility, a practice facility that Carmelo.

772
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 3: Helped you put together and all that.

773
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Speaker 9: Uh, you've got a great history there, but you have

774
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 9: to the the history only gets you so far if

775
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 9: you don't have the great payroll.

776
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Speaker 3: For lack of a better term.

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Speaker 9: As far as Pitt, I hope I don't make any

778
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 9: Robert Morris fans mad, but I think Andy tole Is

779
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 9: is a terrific coach and I'd love to see him

780
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Speaker 9: get a chance at the at the higher level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I those Philadelphia jobs have all opened like two

782
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: or three times, maybe not Nova, just once for Nova,

783
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: but the other big five schools have always opened. And

784
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't know it's because he hasn't wanted to go

785
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: or it hasn't worked out for him being hired. I

786
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: always thought he would wind up at one of those

787
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: schools next after Robert Morris, before Pitt ever became something

788
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: that was on his radar.

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Speaker 3: Right, I get it. Penn opened and actually.

790
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: Like Lasal opened, Saint Joe's has opened, Yeah, it has.

791
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Speaker 9: You know those are those are difficult jobs as well.

792
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 9: Obviously in the in the eight ten. I'm not sure

793
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 9: if I think if I had my choice between Lasal

794
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 9: and pet and Pitt unless he wants to get back

795
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 9: home so to speak, I think I would stay excuse me,

796
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 9: LaSalle and Robert Morris. I think I would stay with

797
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 9: the bobs because I don't want to be at Lasau

798
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 9: in a one bit.

799
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Or two bit tops Atlantic ten. It's really hard to

800
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Speaker 3: get at the top of that.

801
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm just looking at who is available

802
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: from the A ten coaching in Pittsburgh right now. Shirts

803
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: and Tony Scanner, two guys I keep hearing over and

804
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: over again.

805
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony Skin's terrific. George, I really liked him. Yeah,

806
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: he's an outstanding coach.

807
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 9: I did a piece about him on on Atlantic Penn

808
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 9: ten Media Day, and so I had a long conversation

809
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 9: with him. I've known him for a little while because

810
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 9: he coached at Ohio State before when when I've been

811
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 9: working at DTN. So I think he'd be a great get.

812
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 9: But again, without the funding, they're not moving from where

813
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 9: they stand in the in the ACC coaching has been

814
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 9: a lesser problem for them than talent in general.

815
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Mike.

816
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Speaker 2: Looking forward to speaking with you on a weekly basis

817
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: during March Madness over on our podcast. Set that up,

818
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: Enjoy championship weekend and we'll touch base.

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Speaker 1: After the brackets are out. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we lost Mike anyway, all right, Mike DECURSI from

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