1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Chat with Sam Farmer at LA Times Farmer via the 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: X machine. Sam Farmer at LA Times Farmer if you 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: want to follow him via the tweet machine, if you're 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: so inclined as nine to Noon does. Has covered the 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: NFL for the La Times for a quarter century and 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: is following the La Rams every step of the way. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Sam joins us now from Socow. These the playoffs, Sam, 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: these first two for the La Rams have just been amazing, 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: haven't they. Charlotte and Chicago and great catching up with you, 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: my man. How are things? 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: Oh? Great, Gay, thank you, buddy. I'd love to hear 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: your voice. Yeah, both those games. You know, It's funny 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: the Rams during the regular season just didn't have that 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: killer instinct. I mean, all five of their losses they 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: sort of frittered away down the stretch. And these two 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: games at Carolina and at Chicago they were able to 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: close them out, which is a really positive sign. Obviously, 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: I don't think they're playing their football, but they were 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: able to win down the stretch, which is something they 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: repeatedly failed to do during the regular season. Uh the 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: uh oh, go ahead, No, no, it's so that gives 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: them a little bit of a hope going into Seattle, 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: which is one of those games that they would say 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: fumbled away. I mean, you know they're up by sixteen 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: and fourth quarter, uh, and they gave up three two 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: point conversions and lost in overtime. You know that sticks 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: in their craw definitely. 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: The where you just were Sam, the the Soldier field 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: press box is superper quiet all the time. When when 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: when Caleb hit comet, did anybody make any noise? 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one where people were just I mean, 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: it was such a stunning play, the fact that he 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: dropped from the fourteen all the way back to the 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: forty and then the blown coverage there Toobey Durant, who 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: had two picks in the game, had a good game. 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: It was just it was one of those moments, you know, 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: it was it felt like one of those tyree helmet 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: catch bizarre t BO throwing it to Damarius Williams eighty 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: yards on the first play of overtime. You know, it 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: was one of those moments where the no well, nobody cheered. 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: It was just a gasp like did that really happen? 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: But you're right, it's it's quiet and it's also super narrow. 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: I don't like that That's the one press box I 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: really don't. It's one of the press boxes I hate. 45 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: I think Chicago, I don't like the job they did 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: on that stadium. I think they just wedged it into 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: the old Soldier Field and to me, it felt it 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: really feels jammed in there, like they didn't do a 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: great job. And I will have to say, and I'm 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: not just saying this for your audience, I think Minnesota's 51 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 2: is the nicest stadium the league. So I think LA's 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: got a really nice stadium. The Hks or whoever. The 53 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: design same designers Minnesota, same designer as Dallas. I like 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: all those stadiums. But the Vikings with that huge black 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: you know, etf E wall that you can see the 56 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: city everything. It's awesome that. 57 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: The fans, you know, with these Rams games, man, I mean, 58 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: fans need a stiff drink when sweating the Rams playoff games. 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, just like twenty twenty one and those champions 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: right who they didn't win a game in November and 61 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: they were all out to beat Tampa Bay in the 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: divisional round. 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: Exactly. That was a there are some parallels there, I mean, 64 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: and they lost a divisional game to the Niners. So 65 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: they you know, they they had they had to start 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: on the road, I believe that year and that big 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: divisional game where Stafford hit cut right down the middle, 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: long pass at the end and they went it with 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: a field goal. And then and then they come back 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: and they beat the Niners in soap by. But it 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: really feels like it's Levi's because it's just filled with 72 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: Niner fans. And then they win the Super Bowl. It 73 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: does there are some distinct similarities and the red flags again, 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, they were oh for November that year 75 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: and and turned it on and so you know that 76 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: could happen again. And you know they're going up against 77 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: Arnold's they facked him as you remember nine times at 78 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: that game in Arizona. And I think they tend to 79 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: play the Seahawks tough and those games are close. Seahawks 80 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: are rolling right now. So uh, you know, two teams 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: feeling differently about themselves right now. 82 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Sam wrote about Sam wrote about what I'm about to 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: bring up with other things recently, but about this, and 84 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: let's get the audio version if you can. If if 85 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: Stafford wins the Super Bowl, will it be a Peyton 86 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: Manning like exit? 87 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you look at you think about the 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: parallels there. It was in Santa Clara ten years ago, 89 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: first Super Bowl at Levi Stadium that Peyton won his 90 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: second ring with his second team and called it a 91 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: career kind of like Elway, did you know win in 92 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, wins the second Super Bowl and walks 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: walks away. I just feel like Stafford's wife and kids 94 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 2: coming on the road for every single game this season, 95 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: to me feels like it's a bit of a retirement tour. 96 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: Just in my gut, this could be like Peyton at 97 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: Santa Clara if you win it second ring, second team. 98 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: The difference is really that those Broncos were a team 99 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: that ran, They were a team that played great defense. 100 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: They weren't relying on Peyton, and clearly Peyton was in 101 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: the sunset of his career finding new ways to make 102 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: par with his arm after those four neck procedures. Stafford 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: is playing his best football. I mean, he's probably gonna 104 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: win the MVP for the first time in his career 105 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: and super sharp. 106 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: I'm still blown away by that pass, that crossbody pass 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: to DeVante Adams against the Bears, where he had that 108 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: tiny little mail slot of a window. 109 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: And it was a no look pass. If you look 110 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: at the from behind, no look past. You've seen it 111 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: a million times with Stafford, but it was just so sharp. 112 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 2: He's gonna be thirty eight the day before the Super Bowl. 113 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: That Saturday before the Super Bowl, he'll turn thirty eight, 114 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: and I think there's a chance that he just calls 115 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: it a career if they win it. 116 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: And I saw this tweet from from Rams vox JB. 117 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: Long In involving the Rams in the road, and you know, 118 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: the the Seattle game is going to be the fifth 119 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: road trip in six weeks for the Rams, seventh time 120 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: in nine weeks they'll play away from home. And what 121 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: hit me initially, Sam is big deal, right because of 122 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: the way road teams get those primo seats at so. 123 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: Far exactly exactly, I've thought that long shot that you know, 124 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: with the with the Rams and certainly with the Chargers, 125 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: you're conditioning some good road teams because every game is 126 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: a road game. Now, I will say the Rams have 127 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: built a fan base, and even the Chargers have gotten 128 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: more fans this season than in years past. But when 129 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: you get a team that travels well as fan base 130 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: travels well Vikings, Steelers, Cowboys, Raiders. It really does feel 131 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: like a road game and so far, but yeah, that 132 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: was a pretty remarkable, remarkable thing winning on the road, 133 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: and you know, winning in the elements like they did 134 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: at Chicago was a big deal too in terms of 135 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: galvanizing the team and building that confidence. I don't think 136 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: they're at all intimidated about going up to Seattle and 137 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: playing there, so, you know, and so I just think 138 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: they're well positioned. You know, we've gone this far in 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: the interview, we haven't even mentioned Bob Hagen. 140 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: Right, I was saving the best for last because you 141 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: know it's are you going to give longtime friend well 142 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: time for one more? Are you going to give a 143 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: long time friend George Peyton locking yachtaps California? Oh yeah, yeah, 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: so you got that's an old school friend. You know, 145 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: Hagan's going to be right for his old friend George Peyton, 146 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: even though felt older friend Todd Downing who started with 147 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: the Vikings the same year that I started play by play, 148 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: and no too, he's with the Patriots. I mean, this 149 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: is a Hagen conundrum this week, and he has so 150 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: many friends in the league. But from your standpoint, are 151 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: you going to give longtime friend George Peyton's Broncos a chance, 152 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: a puncher's chance, or do you like him a lot 153 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: with Jared's did him? 154 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: I would say puncher's chance, just because you've got Sean 155 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: Payton with eight days to prepare. Obviously huge setback with 156 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: losing Bonnicks. Bonis wasn't playing great until the fourth quarter. 157 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: He was phenomenal in the fourth quarter of games, but 158 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: they weren't relying on him so much. But I do 159 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: look at at that Broncos defense, and yet, and yet 160 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: the Patriots played a tough Chargers defense, and then the Texans, 161 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: who were phenomenal and won those both by double digits. 162 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: So I think I take the Patriots in this. But 163 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: I don't totally rule out Jared Stidham just because he's 164 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: been with the team three years. Third year with the team, 165 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: you know a lot of guys say, that's when you 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: really start getting it. He's going up against this number 167 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: one defense a lot in practice, but he hasn't thrown 168 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: a pass in what three years, and has very little 169 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: NFL experience other than that. So if you can, if 170 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: you can hide that a little bit and get the 171 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: running game going, it's just the Patriots right now. With 172 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: the players they've got back on their defensive front. It's 173 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: really tough to run against them. You know, they're one 174 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: of the best run defense in the league for the 175 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: first half of the half of the year. Then they 176 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: get some injuries and they're a bad run defense. But 177 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: now they've bounce back to their old form. I think 178 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: they got it. Broncos have a chance. I wouldn't be 179 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: totally shocked, but there would be some noise in the 180 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: press boxing they won. Put it that. 181 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Way, Sam, you're fantastic man. Great catching up with you 182 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: and have a beautiful day. 183 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, buddy. So great to hear your 184 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: boys and say hello to my buddies Bob Hagen and 185 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: Matt Burke. You're always texting sending jokes back and forth, 186 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: so you. 187 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 4: Got it. 188 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: Thank you about Sam Farmer, NFL writer for the La Times. 189 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Here comes Nordo with that cash thing. 190 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 5: The fan wants to give you a chance to win 191 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: some bonus box with the National Cash Contest. 192 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: This hour's keyword is friend. 193 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 5: You'll have many friends by winning bonus box with the 194 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 5: keyword friend. 195 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: A cafe and t wolves get the jazz this evening 196 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: on the road. Chris Finch joins nine to Noon Weekly 197 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: courtesy of Prize Picks and a second Harvest HEARTLMB. And 198 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: we began our conversation earlier today, uh, chatting about something 199 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: to do in Utah, like ski and I'm like, Chris, 200 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: you probably aren't going to go skiing with that knee, right, Good. 201 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 6: Morning for you. 202 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, Skiing's never really been one something that I've 203 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 4: done a lot. You know, growing up playing basketball, was 204 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 4: not encouraged to go skiing. Uh. 205 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: And and back in our day, speaking of scheme, Uh, 206 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: Jim McKay remember Jim McKay narrating ABC's Wide World of 207 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: Sports and the thrill of victory and the agony of 208 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: defeat and then the ski jump guy who just got waxed. 209 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean that that that kind of that kind of 210 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: soured me on the slopes at a young age. 211 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: What about you, Yeah, I can see I remember that 212 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 4: very well. 213 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 6: Actually. 214 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: And Chris Schenkle doing bowling for dollars? Remember that? 215 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah? 216 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I'm older than you. With with with 217 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: your conference, it's it's I mean maybe for you because 218 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: you're right in this battle. It's been like this for 219 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: quite some time, but it's kind of starting to feel 220 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: like the West has some bloodbath to it. I mean, 221 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: you guys, Houston, San Antonio, Denver, OKC. You Phoenix. I mean, 222 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: you know, if Phoenix may not be as good as 223 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: the aforementioned five, but what a what a physical, tough 224 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: team that is. It's uh, it's just a tough quintet 225 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: there in the West. Wouldn't you say, oh. 226 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, we knew it was going to be like this. 227 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 4: It's it's seemingly harder and deeper every year, you know, 228 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, we we're seeing it play 229 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: out on a nightly basis, you know, and great games, 230 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 4: hard fought games, close games. You know, anybody can beat anybody. 231 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: You know, kind of just pustling around with each other 232 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: right now, and I think whoever is going to be 233 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: able to catch a little bit of a rhythm. But 234 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: it's you know, I don't see anyone really separating themselves 235 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 4: like throughout the course of the rest of the season. 236 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 4: I just think it's gonna be like one game, Margins. 237 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: Is it is this like a normal part of the season, 238 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: or you know, midway point, approaching All Star break, approaching 239 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: trade deadline. I mean, like conversations and like attitudes diferent 240 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: bodies and minds a little tired, Oh, no doubt. 241 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: There's a lot of kind of a lot of factors 242 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: here at this point in the season. You do have 243 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: I mean, we're halfway through the season or a little 244 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: bit more and from the games played, but we have 245 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: another i don't know, ten games or so before the 246 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 4: All Star break. You know, you got the trade deadline 247 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: coming up, as you mentioned, that certainly will play with players' minds, 248 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: and some people are more affected by that than others. 249 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 6: And you know, injuries and just you know. 250 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: A lot mid season funkiness. There's a lot of a 251 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 4: lot of things that you know, we've got to fight 252 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 4: through right now. We've we've circled this month as a 253 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 4: big one, yeah, just because of you know, our schedule toughens, 254 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: and you know, we need we need to start playing 255 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: better basketball, which we we definitely. 256 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 6: Have and and you. 257 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: Know, we just we looked at this as kind of 258 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: the month that would set us up for what happens 259 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: after All Star break. And you know, so far, we 260 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: feel like we're on track. And we lost a couple 261 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: of tough ones over the weekend, but you know, those were. 262 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 6: Kind of typical games that you were referencing here in the. 263 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: West with the players who you know, just may have 264 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: some anxiety thinking that, hey, you know, I may have 265 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: to pack everything up and leave it. Did Do you 266 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: have you noticed over the years, Chris, that that that's 267 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: generated more by what they hear and or see on 268 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: social media or maybe from their agents or family members. 269 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: No doubt it's something from outside sources and influence. It's 270 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 4: such as social media. I mean, there's yeah, there's there's 271 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 4: a lot of things that are kind of just absolutely 272 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: you know, conjecture or people just make believe in things, 273 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: you know, referencing conversations that we know for a fact 274 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 4: have never happened, and all this kind of stuff. So yeah, 275 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: so I would the bulk of it is definitely from 276 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 4: from the media. Social media in particular. 277 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: Do do you do you ever have to put out 278 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: fires or do you just like encourage it to go 279 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: in one ear and out the other. 280 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: I mean, mostly we just encourage it going in one 281 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: year and out the other. You know, Well, there's there's 282 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: conversation that Tim does a very good job being transparent 283 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: with our guys about you know, what might be going 284 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 4: on around them. If there is something going on around 285 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: them largely you know these things, Uh, there's there really 286 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: isn't much substance to them that That doesn't mean that 287 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: every team is not talking to every other team and 288 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: they're talking about players and whatnot, but it's most of 289 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: them it's just kind of exploratory or just you know, 290 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: informational gathering trying to understand the market. Uh, you know, 291 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: it's certainly not highly transactional at that at that phase. 292 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 4: But but Tim does a really good job of being 293 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: honest with these guys. I think that really kind of 294 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: helped them. But the reality is something can happen. That's 295 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: the last moment, and so it's hard to make any 296 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 4: certain assurances, you know, but that's just the reality of 297 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 4: the business. 298 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's And obviously the reporters or or those who 299 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: are putting it out there, you know, you people will 300 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: have relationships with them, so they'll know, you know, whether 301 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: whether the level of validity or lack thereof and what 302 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm getting that For instance, it's like you know MLK day, 303 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: you just can you have basketball from eleven thirty in 304 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: the morning all the way basically close to midnight. So 305 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: it's a wonderful day to watch the league and you know, 306 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm watching Dallas. I mean just you know, just Max 307 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: Christie just hitting three after three and they're at Madison 308 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Square Garden just killing the Nicks. So you know, after 309 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: the game, not much pops. But then like this morning, 310 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, in one of the tabloids, nick Nicks may 311 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: be trading Karl Anthony Towns. Sources indicate here are five 312 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: teams that are interested. So I mean, you don't second guess, 313 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: you don't say the guys live. But nevertheless, that's the 314 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: stuff that happens after games, like when you get blown 315 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: out and it gets a little wonky, right, Oh. 316 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. I mean, and you know, some organizations are 317 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 4: leakier than others, and you know, and and and you 318 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: know use the media as a way to kind of 319 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 4: test the market at times. I'm not saying that's what's 320 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: happening in this situation. I don't know, I'm not there 321 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 4: at point the nature of the discussions, but you know, 322 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: it's that's so that you know, these are the things 323 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 4: that like you also have to guard against. And sometimes you. 324 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 6: Know, other teams will use. 325 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: You know, we'll make up stories about other players and 326 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 4: other trades that might be possible to try to you know, 327 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: flesh out what someone's intention might be. You know, so 328 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: there's a lot of. 329 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 6: Kind of weaponizing the media right now, which is makes 330 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 6: it extra hard on the player. 331 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: Doubt about it. 332 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 4: What a world. 333 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Chris Fans, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves Weekly nine to 334 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: now thanks to prize pick second Harvest Heartland and two 335 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: Harvest dot Org the Jazz tonight, this this Keyante George 336 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: is an underrated offensive player because he's trapped in Utah. 337 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you think of him because his field 338 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: goal percentage and free throw attempts have gone way up 339 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: this year. He just seems like he's a stone cold score. 340 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, he is, he is. He's really, he's really come on. 341 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 4: Will Hardy and his dad hasnt done an outstanding job 342 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: here in their development with some of their young players. 343 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: You can see him starting to really round in the shape. 344 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: I think they're on the I think they're on the 345 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: on on the edge of being really competitive and good 346 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 4: moving forward. I think you know they're going to most 347 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 4: likely end up with another pretty good pick this year. 348 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 4: Keep adding to the young to the young core. 349 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 6: But you know, you when you go through. 350 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: These rebuilds, you really only need like one or two 351 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 4: guys to kind of really hit and then you can, 352 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: you know, build out the rest of your roster through 353 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: trade or free agency with guys you know around it, 354 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 4: more experienced guys. Yeah, and it looks like, you know, 355 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: it looks like they've got certainly got one in him, 356 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 4: and then you know what happens. You know, It's just 357 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: it's kind of the normal thing. Come in the league 358 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: so young and try to figure it out, and now 359 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 4: everything slows down and you get stronger and you get 360 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 4: more confidence, and once you see that you can do 361 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 4: it over and over again, then that's when guys get 362 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 4: really dangerous. 363 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: You You guys are a little more banged up than 364 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: usual right now, aren't you, with Nas and Rudy and 365 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: those games Anthony missed a little little nicked up right now, 366 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: aren't you. 367 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, we all we're going through it a bit. You know, 368 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: we're generally one of that's been one of the healthier 369 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: teams in the league over the last few years. So 370 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: all credit to our like performance staff and our guys 371 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 4: for taking care of themselves, you know, and obviously having 372 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: good fortune. So I hope that continues. But again, we're 373 00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: going through it a little bit. 374 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 6: We got some guys little a little benned up, but 375 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 6: you know, fortunately that they they're not they don't seem. 376 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 4: To be anything of the long term variety. 377 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: Excellent. What when when Anthony doesn't play? What what's different 378 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: with your team's ball movement when the Alpha doesn't play? 379 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just normally to see 380 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: the thing with most teams around the league. 381 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 6: You know, our pace picks up a little bit. Uh, 382 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 6: you know, certainly I think our yeah, our. 383 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: Ball movement picks up our you know, kind of our 384 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: off ball movement picks up. We know, we you know, 385 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 4: we have to be a bit more of a movement 386 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 4: team in that regard, just because Anthony has the ability 387 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 4: to kind of pierce the defense and force people into 388 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: putting two or three guys on the ball, and then 389 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: that you know, opens up kickout opportunities. But you know, 390 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: we can't rely solely just on Julius to do that. 391 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 4: So pace picks up, ball movement picks up, opens up 392 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 4: close out situations that we can attack. 393 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 6: So it's yeah, I think it's just kind of it's normal. 394 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 4: You know, we are pretty can be at times a 395 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: pretty ISO heavy team with both Aunt and Julius. They're 396 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 4: very good at it. You know, we try to have 397 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: a good balance of ISO and movements. But when you're 398 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: you know, missing one of your better ISO players and 399 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: you know, you got to lean on the other things 400 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 4: that you do well. 401 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: Chris in that Spurs game, despite his elite countrymen Webbin 402 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Yama going for thirty nine, all weak out with that 403 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: thirty nine too, Baron Jay had to give you twenty 404 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: three in a pinch overall, how did he do? 405 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 6: Outstanding? He was excellent. Wow, He's been really good in the. 406 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 4: In the minutes that he's played here in the last 407 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 4: couple of games. His activity, his presence at the rim, 408 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: keeping balls alive, offensive rebound, hustle, plays in the floor, 409 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 4: or just all the things that he already does well. 410 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: You know, that's what I love about him, Like he's 411 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 4: just doubling down on the things that he does well 412 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: that make him who he is. And and from that, 413 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 4: you know, he's really hoping on and gaining confidence. And 414 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 4: you know he's he's bouncy. And I've always since day one, 415 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 4: I've used the word fearless. He yeah, you know, he's 416 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: not afraid. He's not't afraid of any situation, doesn't matter 417 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: if he's guarding jan as they're guarding Wemby or someone's 418 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: coming out at full speed at the rim. 419 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: Like he's going to take the challenge right And then 420 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: that is specifically with teenagers. Man, I'm glad you said 421 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: that is I mean, he has a chance and and 422 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: we don't generally get into conversations like this about super 423 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: young players because so much can change. But this guy 424 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: has a legitimate chance to be something special and and 425 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: even casual basketball fans can tell he's not afraid of anything. 426 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: It's just it's going to be really exciting to see 427 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: him grow, isn't it. 428 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we are so excited about and he's 429 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: gonna be we you know, to your point, he got 430 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 4: a chance to be a special player. But you know 431 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 4: he's going to be really good. There's no doubt about 432 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: his versatility on defense. You know, he really can guard 433 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: in all switch situations and we feel comfortably to guard 434 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: you know, point guards and and and all kinds of 435 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 4: things with his with his you know, with his agility. 436 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 6: His quickness is length, you know, and he just needs 437 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 6: to try to keep learning. Some of the mistakes that 438 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 6: he makes. They're just you know, youthful mistakes. That's expected 439 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 6: and normal, and. 440 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: We're happy he's making them because you know, he's learned quick, 441 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 4: real quick. And that's the other thing about him. And 442 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: someone has come to the game late, you know, he 443 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: didn't start playing the game until but a few years ago. 444 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: He's got a good he's got a good feel, which 445 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: is often not the case, you know, and bigs that 446 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: come to the game late, and and he's got a 447 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 4: really sharp learning curve and that bodes well for his growth. 448 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: How how uh three to go here for the time. 449 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: How much do the how much do the analytics of 450 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: the NBA matter to you? 451 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: Uh? 452 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: Quite a bit? 453 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 6: You know, I think my guy, my my my guiding 454 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 6: principle on analytics p A is you know, I use 455 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 6: them as a guide, not a god. You know, that's 456 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 6: kind of like our mantra. We certainly are steeped in 457 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 6: the analytics. 458 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: We we follow them. We understand what what they're saying 459 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 4: and why they're saying it, but we're not blindly doing 460 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 4: everything that they're telling us to do, you know. And 461 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 4: I remember I remember having when you introduced me to 462 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 4: to Kevin O'Connell out in LA like It's one thing 463 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: that we quickly started talking about was just like, you know, 464 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 4: kind of the lens the microscope that analytics have put. 465 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 6: Coaching decisions under now, you know. 466 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 4: Which is hard I think for them. We were talking 467 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: specifically like about fourth down choices, right, And what what 468 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 4: analytics can't do is they can't tell you that can 469 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 4: the chain reaction of events that will happen or might 470 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 4: happen or need to happen. They can they can predict 471 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 4: and tell you like, you know, hey, if you if 472 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: you go for it on fourth down, you got to 473 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 4: x percent chance of winning. Well that assumes a lot 474 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 4: in there too, you know. So so you still got 475 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 4: to use your coaching, You got to use your feel 476 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: you got to use your the knowledge of your team, 477 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 4: Like what are you able to accomplish? That's another thing. 478 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 4: It's not like what the analytics say, like you also 479 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 4: have to say can we do that? Like are we 480 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 4: good enough to be able to pull that off? Or 481 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: do we have to do it some other way? So, 482 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 4: but yeah, we're we're I mean, right now, the league 483 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: is so analytically driven and there's a lot of good 484 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 4: basketball that's come out of that that if you're not 485 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: playing analytically. Uh, you know, if you're not. 486 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 6: Listen, leaning into and listening to the analytics. 487 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 4: You're you're going to be behind the curve. So there's 488 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: just right now, there's just some baseline to it that you. 489 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: Have to follow. 490 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 4: And where we try to where we really try to 491 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 4: lean into it as like in the small pieces of 492 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 4: the game where there's still maybe inefficiencies that you can exploit. 493 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: All right, So just and if you don't have anything, 494 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: that's fine, But like top of the head, what what 495 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: what's one analytical number or ranking with your team? Those 496 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: who don't follow no exists, but but they don't really 497 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: know what it is, but it's impressive to you. 498 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 4: So so let what is. 499 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 6: An analytical ranking. 500 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: For us that impresses you that we that we pride. 501 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 6: Ourselves on basically? Yeah, uh well, I mean I'm big 502 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 6: on shot. 503 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: Selection, you know, like our effective like field goal percentage 504 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 4: and and that, and how we get to that through 505 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: high quality shots. You know, I think that's that's basically 506 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: kind of underpins good offense. I don't think it's a 507 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 4: hidden I think it's what everybody's striving for. 508 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 6: But what's happened I think in this like. 509 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 4: The league is playing faster, there's no doubt about it, 510 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: and people have taken more and more threes over the 511 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: last few years. But what's interesting, what I'm finding in 512 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 4: the analytics is that playing faster used to mean that 513 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: it led to better shots. But now people are playing 514 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 4: faster the sake of playing fast, and some of those 515 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 4: shots selection outcomes aren't the same. The same with threes 516 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: used to be able, like back in the beginning of 517 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 4: the analytics revolutionary didn't matter, get up as many three 518 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: as you possibly can, and even if they're not good 519 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 4: threes and so. But now with everybody shooting so many threes, 520 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: like the volume matters a little less and the quality 521 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: matters way more. So you know, you can shoot a 522 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: higher percentage on a better quality three rather than shooting 523 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: a medium percentage on a high volume of threes. It's 524 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 4: basically like the kind of what I see happening right 525 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: now in the league. Just so it's it's it's almost 526 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 4: like the pace of the game and the and the 527 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 4: commitment to the three has kind of out that. 528 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 6: Over extended itself a little bit ye to cause. 529 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 4: A little bit of inefficiency. So dial it actually like 530 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 4: we want to play faster this year, but we're not 531 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 4: a really super fast team. But because teams have gotten 532 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: so good in the half court offense, Like half court 533 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 4: offenses have become so much more efficient in the last 534 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: several years. You don't need to play breakneck speed just 535 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 4: to get good shots any longer. And that's a credit 536 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: to the coaching, the adjustment. I think a lot of 537 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: it's a reaction to the high volume of switching and offense. 538 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 4: Like just players have to play with a little bit 539 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: more nuanced to their game, you know, a little bit 540 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: more movement, as we talked about earlier. And also you know, 541 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 4: just the skill level of the players that keeps going 542 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: up and off. 543 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: Finching some NFL steam next. 544 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 7: Googy until the right Let's get steamy with one of 545 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 7: the best Adam Kaplan Elite NFL news breaker and tweeter 546 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 7: at Kaplan NFL the X. 547 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: There have been like forty five forty six coaches fired 548 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: the last six years. Still have a bunch of openings 549 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: this year. Adam, how in the heck have you been? 550 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: And how's the pickleball game? 551 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: Tennis? 552 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? Good, good man. 553 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, this has been it's been certainly surprising at 554 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 8: the number going back to nineteen ninety the averages six 555 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 8: and a half. We have ten changes, not everyone. Was 556 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 8: the firing with the Mike Tomlin resignation. Now I still 557 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 8: believe he'll be a head coach again, but that's not 558 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 8: it won't be in twenty twenty six. So yeah, it's 559 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 8: been wild man. But the only one I was truly 560 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 8: surprised with I've been thinking based on what I'd known 561 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 8: that tom was going to leave the team at some 562 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 8: point of the next couple of years, and he did now. 563 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 8: But the one that it's surprised, it wasn't shocked. But 564 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 8: the last one, the Sean McDermott firing, was interesting in 565 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 8: that I know for a fact how close he was 566 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 8: at one point with owner Terry Bogula, but Pagola made 567 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 8: the choice and gave Brandon being a GM way more. 568 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: Power Packers defensive coordinator Jeff Hapley to Miami. Your thoughts, Yeah, 569 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: halfly that. 570 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 8: Was the favorite from the beginning because his relationship with 571 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 8: the new general manager, John X. Sullivan, so they'd made 572 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 8: total sense. In fact, I just did. This is one 573 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 8: where you look, don't I just don't see any of 574 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 8: the other guys who were interviewing in having a real 575 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 8: shot and Halfly got at day familiarity with both each 576 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 8: other and Halfley was a head coach at Boston College. 577 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 8: Show that's why you add all that up. He was 578 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 8: the clear favorite. 579 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: What do you think is next for Brian Flores? 580 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 8: Well, it's gonna have a shot in Pittsburgh, Remember he 581 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 8: was there before. They know him very very well. We 582 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 8: understand the lawsuits is out there against the NFL. That's 583 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 8: still out there. But although my feeling has been since 584 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 8: day one, Krishul is going to be one up being 585 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 8: the favorite to get that job. But Brian Flores is 586 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 8: really really smart and really really good. He'll have a shot. 587 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 8: And again, they do know him there. That's you know, 588 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 8: that's one of the reasons why he's on their list. 589 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 8: And obviously we know that the Vikings won him back 590 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 8: pretty big so and he is brilliant, I mean, he 591 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 8: is a phenomenal defensive line. 592 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: Is Cleveland going to hire thirty year old Grant Yudinsky 593 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: who was here with O'Connell ready for this one? 594 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 8: Grant Udinsky grew up twenty minutes from where I was born. 595 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 4: Oh wow, hard to believe. 596 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's from Doylestown, PA. So this is what I 597 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 8: was told with Yudinsky. The Browns want to go young, 598 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 8: they'd like to go young, but and they want Jim 599 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 8: Schwartz on his staff as defensive coordinator because the defense 600 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 8: is elite. It's just offensively because they don't have a quarterback. 601 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 8: They want someone toveloped Scherdor Sanders. And if you're Grant 602 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 8: Yudinsky at thirty years old, you're just happy earning interviewing 603 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 8: for a head coach of Jeff's. Obviously he's offered, he's 604 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 8: taking it. I know there's some other teams that have 605 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 8: interest in him, but look, he's not really run a 606 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 8: room before. I was told it's it's a big step up. 607 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 8: We'll see what happens and when they finalize things here 608 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 8: could your Schwartz is bothered way one of the finalists 609 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 8: for it, Todd Monkin's there. You have to understand. Now, 610 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 8: here's the other thing you mentioned Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott, 611 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 8: with six openings left, should get a couple of interviews 612 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 8: here and he can kind of upset the process, if 613 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 8: you will. 614 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan with his ear to the ground, with all 615 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: this stuff, it's so steamy. Does anybody actually want the 616 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: Arizona job or the Raider job. 617 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, let me explain to the Arizona job. There's a 618 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 8: lot of talent on defense. There's a ton a lot 619 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 8: of the guys got hurt. They've they've drafted pretty well. 620 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 8: Monte Austin Fort the GM has done a really good 621 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 8: job in the draft. It's just they had a massive 622 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 8: injury problem. They've got a bad contract with Kylin Murray. 623 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 8: No one's taking it as is. They're going to have 624 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 8: to eat some of the money if they're able to 625 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 8: trade them. It's still going to be very hard to 626 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 8: trade him. But yeah, that's where Sean McDermott someone like that. 627 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 8: I mean, I know they're looking at defensive guys. Clint Kubiak, 628 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 8: by the way, Gary Sun, he's a guy who's very 629 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 8: well like by three or four teams. His thing is 630 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 8: going to be how he interviews. He's a kind of 631 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 8: a soft spoken guy, but extremely smart. In the job 632 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 8: that he's done with Seattle and Sam Darnold has been elite. 633 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: Does anybody want Mike McDaniel. 634 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, there are teams interested. You know, he's had a 635 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 8: bunch of interviews. In fact, he's had a lot of 636 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 8: looks as an offense coordinator candidate. He's going to be 637 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 8: an offensive coordinator, call and plays anywhere he wants. He's 638 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 8: another one where he's getting it. Getta gets some second 639 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 8: looks for second interviews. You got to watch the Brown 640 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 8: situation because they're looking at They're looking for someone who 641 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 8: will definitely want to coach. Shuder Sanders that gim Andrewberry 642 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 8: is very high shoud I'm told so. Todd Mankin, by 643 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 8: the way, is up for a couple of jobs. The 644 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 8: Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator, who will go to the Giants 645 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 8: if he does not get a head coaching job. 646 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Cap Rams at Seattle, who do you like and why? 647 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 8: Going back and forth on this one. The two teams 648 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 8: split in the regular season. What's odd about Seattle is 649 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 8: the best road team in the National Football in the 650 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 8: last two seasons. Then you look at them at home. Look, 651 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 8: they've had some losses, not many. It's just so hard 652 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 8: to win there. I think it's really tight. But you 653 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 8: know what, Matthew Stafford, who I. 654 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 4: Voted for for Pro Football. 655 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 8: Roads Association as Offensive Player of the Year, it's hard 656 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 8: to bet against him and Sam Darnold on these big 657 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 8: spots as he turned it over. He had four turnovers 658 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 8: at LA or they would have won that game. I'm 659 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 8: leaning towards the Rams very very in a short number, 660 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 8: very very tight game. 661 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: You are so steamy right now and on top of 662 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: all of it as usual. 663 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: Thank you, cap you got it. 664 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: Next Adam Kaplan at Kaplin the NFL via X. That's 665 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: nine to new. Thank you very much for listening. New 666 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: Twins manager Derek Shelton in studio nine to noon tomorrow. 667 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: That's when we will rise and shine at nine. Meanwhile, 668 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: here's Big Daddy con in that wrap on the shelf, 669 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: personal pal whipping. The game is over. Solo journeys. 670 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 5: Yes, they do have their perks, meat sauces like raft 671 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 5: works and well, I'm not. 672 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: Sure what he's referring to. 673 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 5: I'd figured i'd relay that info onto you anyway. Cool 674 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 5: bits with Farmer and Finche anatomy of the final four 675 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 5: like Mike McGlinchey. He'll be pass blocking this week for 676 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 5: Jared Stidham. Pict you're having draft picks but you actually 677 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 5: hit them. Crazy concept as we watch from Afar, catching 678 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 5: games in the couch, maybe two for ones at the bar, 679 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 5: maybe despite your team you're really rooting for Sam or 680 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 5: you're in Awe Lucah so you're in on the Rams 681 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 5: and Wacona Ben with Drake May although we never really 682 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 5: had a shot on draft days. 683 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: So just move on to the now and let's get 684 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: to hate. I hope Frable's team puts forty on Sean Payton. 685 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 4: Excuse me while I would this out for 686 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 2: The podcast Today's Paul Allen Show, or listen back to 687 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 2: previous show and interviews, so like going to the iHeartRadio 688 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: app or kfan dot com.