1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: It's night with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's News Radio. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Dan Watkins, as we move into 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: the nine o'clock hour here on ninth side. There was 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: a decision made by Governor Healey last week to support 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: lifting of the Sunday hunting band here in Massachusetts and 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: expanding hunting access. There was a news release by the way, 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: we invited Governor Healey to join us tonight. Her pressed 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: person said that she could not join us tonight, but 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: looks forward to being with us in the not too 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: distant future, and we will welcome her. In the news release, 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: the Governor's office wrote, Governor mar Healey today announced that 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: she will introduce legislation to modernize Massachusetts's outdated hunting laws, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: including allowing hunting on Sundays, expanding hunting with crossbows, and 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: reducing setback distances for bow hunting and falconry. This is 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: part of a holistic strategy to expand access for all 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: to outdoor recreation, protect public health, increase food security, and 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: conserve biodiversity, and was informed by robust public input. Now 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: the news conference. The press release went on for a 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: couple of pages, or actually four pages in total, but 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: that is the thrust of it. If you happen to 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: read the Boston Globe today, Joan Venaki Boston Globe columnists 22 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: wrote a column which was entitled Mara Heey goes hunting 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: for the hunting vote, and the first sentence was vote 24 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: for governor Morehey, friend of would be bamby killers. Well, 25 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: we reached out today to the Massachusetts Society for the 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: Prevention of Cruelty to Animals into the ASPCA, have not 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: heard back from either of them. This afternoon, I thought, well, 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: who would be the best person to talk to about this, 29 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: not only from a legal point of view, but from 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: a humanitarian point of view. Then our great friend of 31 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: this program, the assistant dean at the Massachusetts School of Law, 32 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: Professor Dianne Sullivan, also, of course, the founder of our 33 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: favorite charity, the Shadow Fund, which provides veterinary care to 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: people for their pets, for people who do not have 35 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: the funds to take care of their cats their pets. So, 36 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: first of all, I know it's Professor Sullivan, but I'm 37 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: going to refer to you as Diane, if you don't mind, 38 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: because we had friends from Jill. I called you about 39 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: this this afternoon and in a word. You seemed appalled, 40 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that I I've invited you to 41 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: join us. This really seemed to bother you today. Obviously 42 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: Joan Vernaki have read her piece. She ends that piece 43 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: by saying last paragraph by aiming a crossbow at a 44 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: target and not at Bambi, as Healy did last week 45 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: during her photo op announcing her band proposal. She is 46 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: shooting for much safer political middle ground. Yet it still 47 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: feels a little too much like campaign overkilled. What do 48 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: you what do you think, Diane? This is kind of 49 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: surprising or is it not surprising? 50 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: No? 51 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: It really, it really was shocking when you called me, 52 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: and I thank you for doing so, because I have 53 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: a lot to say about this. I think I would 54 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: like to say, first off, of the audience I am, 55 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: who are hunting, you know, killing helpless sentient creatures. I'm 56 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: always going to object to that, but there is a 57 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: lot of concern here in other regards. First off, most 58 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: people do not know that hunting goes on and stay 59 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: pox and forests simultaneous with family's going with their kids, 60 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: their dogs, their toddlers. But that happens Monday through Saturday. 61 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: And I had a personal experience Dan. I was at 62 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 4: Harold Parker State Forest here in North Andover, very close 63 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: to my home, and I was out with one of 64 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 4: my dogs on the trail and I came across a 65 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: man with a rifle. I was quite frightened, and I 66 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: asked him, what are you doing. He says, I'm hunting, 67 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: and I said, you can't be hunting here, and he said, 68 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm all certainly can. So I quickly, you know, exited, 69 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 4: and I went looking for the office, and I went 70 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: into the ranger and explained what was going on, and 71 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: he simply pointed to the sign and in small print 72 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 4: it says hunters may hunt from a half hour before 73 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 4: sunrise a half hour after sunset. And I was so 74 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: surprised by that. And it's the last time I've been 75 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 4: back to Harold Parker because I don't think you should 76 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 4: be mixing hunters with families on the same trail. I mean, 77 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: I think it's preposterous. Having said that, the hunters have 78 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 4: right now. Monday to Saturday, Sunday is a family day 79 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 4: in state forests and parks. You see lots of families, 80 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: particularly in the summer, with their tiny children and their dogs. 81 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: Some are leaf some are not leased, and it is 82 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: a disaster when you mix that setting with hunters. 83 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I read the story and we talked about it 84 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: today about there was a fellow down in somewhere down 85 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: on the South Shore I think, who was trying to 86 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: shoot from his second floor window a kyote. 87 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 5: And he ended up down in cost. 88 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: It was Cohaset, south Shore and yeah, and he ended 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: up killing the family dog and year. 90 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: Old dog in front of the children. 91 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. I I have the same feeling that you do 92 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: towards you know, hunting animals. I support the rights for 93 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: for bears to have arms, make it, make it a 94 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: real contest, but hunting has been around a long time. Uh. 95 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: But I think your position of keeping one day happens 96 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: to be Sunday where families can enjoy, you know, outdoors 97 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: without having the fear of someone making a mistake and 98 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: shooting them or or or a pet. And I it's 99 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: I'm surprised that that Governor Healy would go in this 100 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: direction because, as Banaki said in her column today, Uh, 101 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: she seems to be the prohibitive favorite, uh to to 102 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: be re elected governor based upon all the polling. 103 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: I know that she didn't need to do this Dan, 104 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: and you know there was no need to do this, right. 105 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: So therefore you must ask yourself, is it something that 106 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: in her heart of heart she really believes in, which 107 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 2: if it's not political or necessary for politics, why would 108 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, why would she do it unless she didn't 109 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: believe in it. Maybe she does. Is that conceivable, I guess. 110 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 4: But Dan, one thing I want to say is in Massachusetts, 111 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: only one percent of the resident's hunt, and she says 112 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: in her arguments as a proponent of this legislation, you 113 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: know that she wants to stop the hunters from going 114 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: to New Hampshire, where it's permissible to hunt on Sundays. Dan, 115 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: We're talking about one percent of the population. There's not 116 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: many people, in my opinion, going up to New Hampshire 117 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: on a Sunday to hunt. And so I don't think 118 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: she believes that. I think what she is doing is 119 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: pandering for the gun vat that I can't come up 120 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: with a different explanation. 121 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: Well, the other thing when we talked today that you 122 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: mentioned was the fact that you have many Now I 123 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: guess there's also hunting season, so it's not as if 124 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: hunters can hunt every day except for fifty two Sundays. 125 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: Different animals are susceptible or can be hunted at different 126 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: times during the year. But and I know that there 127 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: are some hunters out there who hunt for you know, 128 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: for food. 129 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Do you. 130 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: Differentiate as somebody who obviously is probably the most of 131 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: all the people I know, the most concerned about animals 132 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: of all sorts, big and small, you know, domestic and wild. 133 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: Is there any room in your world or your view 134 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: of the world where people can go and hunt for game, 135 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, deer, for venison, whatever, or is it something 136 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: that that just appalls you No matter what. 137 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 4: It appalls me, I'm morally opposed to it. I think 138 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: as a society we can do better. I will say 139 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: that most of your hunters, particularly of deer, are looking 140 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: for the biggest deer, the head, for the trophy head, 141 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: you know, for for over the fireplace. You become more 142 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: sympathetic for somebody that that is hunting for food. But 143 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 4: there there's a better way, you know, there are food 144 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 4: pantries there. I just I can't justify killing a helpless creature. 145 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: I just you know, I'm morally opposed to it, Dan, 146 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: But I recognize we're not going to eliminate it. So 147 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: let's however. You know, I've been proud to be a 148 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 4: Massachusetts resident because the first animal cruelty laws arose in Massachusetts, 149 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: and we have been fairly progressive compared to some of 150 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: the states and some of our animal laws. And this, 151 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 4: to me is a setback. When the governor talks about, 152 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 4: you know, gone are the days where we're hanging women. 153 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, what does that have to do 154 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 4: with killing helpless animals? 155 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 5: I didn't get that. 156 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't quite get that analogy of the analogy either. 157 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: My guest is Professor Diane Sullivan. She's the assistant dean 158 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: at the Massachusetts School of Law. Uh, you teach courses 159 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: in animal rights? You do upcoming? You a what two 160 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: weekends Animal Rights Day at Massachusetts School of Law in 161 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: April fourth, If I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm 162 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: wrong on that. 163 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 4: Date, that's absolutely correct, nine to about two or three 164 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 4: in the afternoon. 165 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: Yet, Okay, we'll publicize that as the as the hour 166 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: goes on, I want to open up the phone lines 167 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: and give hunters or whoever if you support what Professor 168 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: Sullivan is saying, we would love to have you join 169 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: the conversation if you want to ask a question. You're 170 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: more than welcome to join the conversation. If you feel 171 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: that hunters need seven days a week to go into 172 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: the woods and kill animals, I say, and I said 173 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: this a little tongue in cheek to be really honest 174 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: with you. I have a lot of friends of mine 175 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: who are hunters, but I think everybody deserves a day 176 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: of rest. And I don't mean that in a religious sense, 177 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: but I do think that Sunday should be a special 178 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: day and family should have the opportunity to go into 179 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: Massachusetts recreation areas. Not worry about this, feel free six one, seven, two, five, four, 180 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: ten thirty six seven nine three one ten thirty. I 181 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: feel deeply about this. I'm sure the governor would, if 182 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: she were here, would defend her position as a as 183 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm I'm sure she would. 184 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Uh. 185 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: She will have an opportunity if she wants to come 186 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: on later this week or next week and talk about it. 187 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: But I want to hear from my listeners. And you 188 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: may not be a hunter. You may be a city dweller. 189 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: You may not go out into the recreation areas outside 190 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: city limits. So you may feel this doesn't affect you, 191 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: but it really does. In my opinion, it talks a 192 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: lot about what we value, and I know the values 193 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: that Professor Sullivan has lived by for over well, it's 194 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: getting close to knowing you for twenty years. And she 195 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: lives a remarkable life and has done so much for 196 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: so many people who have been in need of help 197 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: financial help. She runs what's called the Shadow Fund and 198 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: you can look it up shadowfund ande dot org. And 199 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: there's no administrative cost. Her time and her commitment to 200 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: this is total and complete and as well as being 201 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: ay And it's just indeed, at a law school and 202 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: a professor at the law school, very few people in 203 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: the world are in the same strata in my mind 204 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: in terms of whom I admire, uh than die In Sullivan. 205 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: So I'll leave it at that. You know where my 206 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: heart is. You know what my mind is. I have 207 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: a lot of friends who are Second Amendment advocates, uh. 208 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: And I think that you can be a Second Amendment advocate, 209 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: and you can advocate for target shooting and and and 210 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: indoor or outdoor recreational shooting. But when it comes to 211 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: you know, killing an innocent animal, Uh, it's it's a 212 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: step that I'm not willing to take. Uh uh, and 213 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: I think to expand it. Obviously, I'm raising it as 214 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: an issue and I want to hear what you have 215 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: to say. We'll be back on Nightside. Feel free to 216 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: give us a call. Six one seven, two five four 217 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine thirty Back with the Assistant 218 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law, Professor Diane Solomon. 219 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Right after this, You're on Night Side with Dan Ray 220 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: on w b Z, Boston's news Radio. 221 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: My guest is Diane Solomon. We're talking about Governor Healey's 222 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: decision to several decisions, but the one was focusing on 223 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: is Governor Heay's decision to lift the Sunday hunting band 224 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: uh that has existed in Massachusetts for a long time. Diane, 225 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: I just want to go to phone calls. We have 226 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: full lines. See what people have to say. Whatever your 227 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: point of view is, let's let's keep it, let's keep 228 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: it polite. Let's go to John in Hnover. First off, 229 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: high John, you are first this hour on Night Side 230 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: with Professor Diane Sullivan. 231 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 6: Go ahead, John, how are you, sir? 232 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: We're doing great? One. 233 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: So Hello, how are you a young lady? 234 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: I am well? 235 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 6: How are you? I am excellent. So I have been 236 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 6: involved with the state Hunters for the Hungry program as 237 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 6: a processor, the first one in Massachusetts. I just want 238 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 6: to make a couple of quick points, and so the 239 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 6: Hunter for the Hungry program is a donation program that 240 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 6: hunters can hunt and donate dear venison to the homeless 241 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 6: multiple entities throughout the state. They have given UH one 242 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 6: hundred thousand meals to needy in the state of massa Chusetts. 243 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 6: That was fact one. Fact two is there is more 244 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 6: deer in the state of Massachusetts than there are hunters. 245 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 6: Deer population is growing expert. 246 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: Roughly, going quickly, go ahead, you have to say go. 247 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 5: Ahead, I'm sorry. 248 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 6: And then the the part of their license, whoever hunts 249 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 6: any given UH species contributes to the open land that 250 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 6: these people can walk on and take their families to, 251 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 6: regardless of Sundays or not. We are the only there's 252 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 6: only two states in the country that do not allow hunting, 253 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 6: and that's Massachusetts in Maine, the last two in the 254 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 6: whole country, which should be changed. 255 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: Okay, John, let me get Professor's I don't think your 256 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: arguments will convince Professor Sullivan, but I want to give 257 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: her a chance before we got to get to the 258 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: newscast to respond to. 259 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 6: Your point one more, well, do me a favorite. 260 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: John, hold it for a second. Okay, if I have 261 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: to hold you on, but I don't want to have 262 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: you go through a litany of things that she will 263 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: have to respond to. Let's get a couple of quick 264 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: responses from her, and then if you want to follow up, 265 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: that's okay, go ahead, professor. 266 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 4: Is there any concern by you or the hunters that 267 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 4: when they're killing a deer that there are young deers 268 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 4: dependent on the deer that they that they may have 269 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 4: just killed. That's point number one. Also, you know the 270 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 4: hunters in Maine have done a study of they call 271 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 4: her eighty deers and they found that many of them, 272 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: least twenty two of them, never killed by the hunter. 273 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 4: And so you've got these year that are retained and 274 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 4: injured roaming. 275 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 7: In the woods. 276 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: And to me, that's so inhumane, and I wonder if 277 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: you consider that. 278 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 6: It's always a considered fact. But let's look at the 279 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 6: public health issue. Let's look at lime disease. Nantucket has 280 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 6: ten thousand deer on a very small island, and the 281 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 6: lime disease rate in the state of Massachusetts has gone 282 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 6: one hundredfold, and I think they should open up these 283 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: small little avenues, whether it be a one more day 284 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 6: hunt and just for a public health I've dealt with 285 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 6: lime disease. I've seen people with lime disease, and it's 286 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 6: getting worse and worse by the minute until you. 287 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 2: Right, John, John, what I don't want to do here 288 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: is I'm not looking for an ongoing debate. I'm sure 289 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: that there are a lot of factors with that. You 290 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: said you wanted to make one more point. If you 291 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: want to make. If there's a point you need to make, 292 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: please feel free, but you got to make it quickly 293 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: for me. Please. 294 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 6: Well that was my point, okay, perfect. 295 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: Then we covered the point with that with that comment, John, 296 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate you call. Thank you very much for taking 297 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: the time, and thank you for much. Have a great night. 298 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break here. News at the bottom 299 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: of the hour only line is six one seven two thirty. 300 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: Professor Diane Sullivan. She's also the assistant dean at the 301 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: Massachusetts School of Law. She's an animal rights activist, someone 302 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: who's who I respect immensely. Uh and I agree with 303 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: her on this issue, and I'll try to keep it 304 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: as fair as possible. Nonetheless, back on night Side right 305 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: after this, You're on. 306 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 307 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: Let's get back to the calls. My guest is Professor 308 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: Diane Sullivan. She's also the assistan Dean at the Massachusetts 309 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: School of Law. She's an animal rights active activist, and 310 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: she is frankly upset disappointed with the governor deciding to attempt, 311 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: with the cooperation of the legislature, condemn can attempt to 312 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: lift the Sunday Van on hunting. Let me go to 313 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: Larry and Dennisport. Larry next one Nightside. 314 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 8: Go right ahead, great topic. 315 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: Dan, You're welcome, sayha to Diane Sullivan, go right ahead. 316 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 8: Professor Sullivan. Yes, so I am not a hunter, but 317 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 8: I don't oppose it. But as you know, Dan, I'm 318 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 8: an avid mountain biker. I'm in the woods probably you know, 319 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 8: three or four times a week. The average person doesn't 320 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 8: know when hunting season is and doesn't know where hunting 321 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 8: season is allowed. And I'll give you a perfect example. Luckily, 322 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 8: where I live in Dinnisport, right near me, we have 323 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 8: a big, big conservation area in the Brewster or Harwich 324 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 8: area that doesn't allow hunting, so I feel safe there. 325 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 8: But otherwise, no, we're orange in the fall just to 326 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 8: be in the state. Yeah, but I said to a friend, 327 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 8: I love riding the National Sea Shaw. Never thinking they 328 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 8: allowed hunting in the National Sea Shaw. We go out 329 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 8: we pocket Marconi Station. Where we go through the parking lot, 330 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 8: I see a guy get out of his van with 331 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 8: a shotgun over his shoulder and a hunting dog, and 332 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 8: so I said to my friend, I never thought they 333 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 8: allowed hunting in the National Sea Shaw. Right, So I 334 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 8: ride up to the guy to say, you know, I 335 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 8: didn't think they allowed hunting here. He goes, yeah, it's 336 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 8: duck season, so it's not always dear they're hunting. It's 337 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 8: duck season. And I'm going down here, over by some 338 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 8: creek or whatever. I said, Oh, that's good, I'm going 339 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 8: this way. Well, his dog comes up to me, latches 340 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 8: onto my leg, bites me in the leg, goes back 341 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 8: and sits next to his owner, and he looks up there. Now, 342 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 8: I was wearing shine gods because a lot of the 343 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 8: trailers down there are overgrown, just to protect my legs, 344 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 8: so I didn't realize what he did. I was so shocked. 345 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 8: They said, the right fund. Let's get out of here. Yeah, 346 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 8: we do our ride to get back to the house. 347 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 8: I take my shine gods off. My wife looks at me. 348 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 8: I had five puncture holes in my leg. 349 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: WHOA. 350 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 8: I go to the walk in over on Wangfong Road 351 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 8: and Horwich. The doctor says, you know, if he's hunting dog, 352 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 8: you don't see worry about rabies. But those dogs have 353 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 8: all kinds of animals and stuff in their mouths. You 354 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 8: have to worry more about bacteria. So he puts me 355 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 8: on an antibiotic and he said I'd call the rangers 356 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 8: down there. So I called to report it and he said, gee, 357 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 8: that was a Saturday. We were out there with cameras 358 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 8: checking hunting licenses. He said, I'm going to send you 359 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 8: a whole bunch of pictures of all these dogs. I 360 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 8: recognized the dog they checked with the hunter and luckily 361 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 8: that dog had all its vaccines and shots and every time. 362 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 2: What a nightmare. 363 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 8: But my point is, if the professor said that one 364 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 8: percent of the population hunts, I'd be very surprised. That 365 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 8: seems high. That seems high to me. It really does. 366 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: Well in a state of six million people. That would 367 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: be about sixty thousand. If that's that would be one percent. 368 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 8: I mean maybe so, maybe so. In all the years 369 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 8: that I've been mountain biking, I've only had that one 370 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 8: incident with hunters. But like my original point was, the 371 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 8: average person doesn't know where hunting is allowed. Not all 372 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 8: land has a posted hunt. 373 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: I think that's a great point, Larry. Professor Sullivan quick 374 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: comment on what Larry had to say. 375 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: No, I agree with them one hundred percent. People don't 376 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 4: understand that hunting is allowed, and if they did, I think, 377 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: you know, they might make different decisions. 378 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: All Right, Larry, I got a whole bunch of calls. 379 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. I again, I want my listeners 380 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: to know what's going on, and you should probably reach 381 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: out to your state representative because I think this has 382 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: to go to the legislature to get it back to 383 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: the government. 384 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 8: That was definitely a campaign statement. Okay, thanks Dan. 385 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Larry, appreciate it. Let's go next 386 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: to Susan in Milton. Susan, you are next on night 387 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: Side with Professor Diane Sullivan. 388 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Susan, oh hi jan hi, Professor. 389 00:23:59,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 6: You. 390 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 4: I'm very concerned, and Dan, you were gracious enough to 391 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 4: have me and Phil Johnson in your studio probably and 392 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: I think twenty maybe twenty nineteen. 393 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: I remember that, Yeah. 394 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 4: Can God rest Phil's soul? So you know where I stand. 395 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent against any hunting of any kind. 396 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 4: I'm with the professor. It's mean, it's cruel. We don't 397 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 4: need to. This is twenty twenty six I was part 398 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 4: of the Friends of the Blue Heel Deer. We were 399 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 4: from I joined twenty sixteen. It kind of disbanded when 400 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: COVID came along. There is still hunting up. We were 401 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 4: defending the Blue Hills. 402 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: I remember that. 403 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 4: There's so many points. I'll just try to say a 404 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 4: few because I know you have a thousand callers. But 405 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: I went and got a ton of signatures. I'm a 406 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: huge hiker too. But now my husband and I are 407 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 4: kind of I retired. I'm still kind of debating on 408 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 4: my nursing with her. I'm totally but anyway, we were 409 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 4: in Puerto Rico a lot, and I just got back 410 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 4: here recently just for ahead a visit family. And I 411 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 4: couldn't believe when I heard that. I thought, you can't 412 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 4: be serious about this. Sunday, she and I you know, 413 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: I leaned to the left. She's not getting my vote. 414 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 4: That's it. 415 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 5: So. 416 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 4: But the thing is, when I was getting signatures at 417 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: the time, we too, we're posed to hunting in the 418 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: Blue Hills surrounded by schools in senior housing and Duncan. 419 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 3: Doona and I could go on. 420 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 4: We were getting signatures. I can't tell you how many 421 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 4: people had no idea this hunting in the Blue Hills. 422 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: Now my understanding is now again I'm spending a lot 423 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: of the time. We bought property in Puerto Rico, and 424 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: I go back and forth. Is that there's the guns 425 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: are gone, but there's. 426 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: Bow and arrow. 427 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 4: Well yeah, well a deer gets in, is you're going 428 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: to go to Millston hospital er. It is just so cool, 429 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 4: it's so cruel. It's not necessary. And we approve the 430 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 4: deer and not the main carrieres of Again, I don't 431 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 4: want to take all your time. You were gracious to 432 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: have me and Phil explain everything my pleasure. 433 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: And I'm glad that. I'm glad you're still and listening 434 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: to Night's Side. 435 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: And I want you to, oh, yeah, I'm in town. 436 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: I always turn you on when I'm back in town again. 437 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 4: And I wish the profess will be out to Puerto 438 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 4: Rico with me, because that's the whole other story about 439 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: the dogs. We found more band and pops and we 440 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 4: kept well great. 441 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: Just so you know, Susan, I don't know how long 442 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: you're going to be back here, but on April fourth 443 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this. I think it's the 444 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 2: seventeenth annual. If I'm not mistaken, Diane Animal Wenesday. 445 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 4: The eighteenth, the annual dance eighteenth. 446 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, hell. 447 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: I will be here on the fourth at. 448 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: The Massachusetts School of Law in Andover. It's a great event. 449 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: I've been there several times times. And if you and 450 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: there's some really wonderful activities, and if you're an animal lover, 451 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: which I think you are, I think I am aware 452 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: of it. And also you may want to be aware 453 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: of the Shadow Fund, which does such great work for 454 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: people who have pets. There are a lot of people 455 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts that Diane Sullivan has helped over time who 456 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: basically cannot afford to care for their pets the rent 457 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: is too high or their am and Diane has put 458 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: together a group of veterinarians up and up in the 459 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: Merrimack Valley. Uh Er pays for helps people and you know, 460 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: if you're wealthy, police shadow Fund is to donate to, 461 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 2: not to take from. But it's it's a wonderful organization. 462 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: Shadow Fund all one word then, with any standing for 463 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: New England, dot org. I gotta I gotta scoot. 464 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: Here, Susan, okay, because thank you for being so gracious. 465 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: And I'm one hundred behind you, Diane. 466 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks so much, Susan, we talk again, Okay, 467 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: thank you so much. Sixty eight nine nine, ten thirty. 468 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: Let me go to Lee in Quincy. Hey, Lee, how 469 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: are you? You're on with Professor Diane Sullivan. 470 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 5: Thank you, Dan. I commend Governor Haley. I mean, we've 471 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: waited a long long time for this. I don't know 472 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 5: what will happen, but I don't think the public's gotta worry. 473 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: Most hunters hunt, they never see any pedestrians. There's a 474 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 5: short season in the Blue Hills that's regulated by the marshals. 475 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: It's a lottery. There's nothing wrong with it. 476 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: No, Well, I don't think that you're I'm glad you 477 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: expressed your opinion. I don't think you're ever going to 478 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: convince Diane, or for that matter, I believe that. 479 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 5: I don't believe it because she's prejudiced, know what she's talking. 480 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: I think everybody has an opinion, and I don't think 481 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: that Professor President anyway, I don't think Professor Sullivan. If 482 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: you knew Professor Sullivan as well as I do, she's 483 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: one of the most open minded people in the world. 484 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 2: She just happens to disagree with you on this subject. So, Diane, 485 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: if you'd like to say hello to Lee, that's fine. 486 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: If not, Ill. 487 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 5: Nobody's done more for wildlife and nature than the sportsman. 488 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 5: It goes back to nineteen thirty or twenty whenever. They're 489 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 5: the first ones who protected the wildlife. 490 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: Except for the ones that they killed, they protect. 491 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 5: Well, that's true, but dere A Goost, there are millions 492 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 5: of geese. They shoot some geese. 493 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: Come on, I'm not a fan of Canadian geese. But 494 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: at the same time, when you know I'm gonna think, 495 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: I happen to view sentient beings differently. Okay. I found 496 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: a ladybug yesterday morning in my kitchen, and I took 497 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: the ladybug and took it outside. I didn't have the 498 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: heart to kill it. Okay, so call. 499 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 5: Me a week a good man. But look, a couple 500 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 5: of years ago, the governors from Illinois and Indiana were 501 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 5: begging the people in the Eastern States to shoot some 502 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 5: geese they were following the waterways. But it doesn't matter 503 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 5: to people like Sullivan. She doesn't know. 504 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, do me favor. It's Professor Sullivan. Lee. Okay, So 505 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: I think at that point I got to go to 506 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: my break, and I think that we have a golf 507 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: here that cannot that cannot be overcome. Thanks, thank you, 508 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: Lee for you calls. We'll take a quick break. My 509 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: guest is Professor Diane Sullivan, and she has earned that title. 510 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: Uh and uh. She's also the assistant dean at the 511 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: Massachusetts School of Law, and she believes very much in 512 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: the rights of animals. Well, you will continue with our conversation. 513 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: We haven't had much conversation yet, Diane, but but so 514 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: far we have different points of view, lots of opinions, 515 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: which is which you always get a knight sechving back 516 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: on Nightside right after this break. 517 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio. 518 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: We have full lines, Diane Sullivan, So let's keep Rowland. 519 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: Jane is in shrews me Hey Jane, Welcome you next 520 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: on Nightside with Professor Diane Sullivan, the assistant Dean at 521 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: the Massachusetts School of Law. 522 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: Hi, Dan and Diane, Hi, I love I love your 523 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: attitude about pets, but I'm sorry I have to disagree 524 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: about hunting. And I'm not worried about blue laws with Sundays. 525 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: But I think if you're concerned about animal cruelty, it's 526 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: the meat industry that's actually the most cool and real 527 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: hunters protect the environment and they eat what they kill 528 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: where they don't go to the grocery store necessarily to 529 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: buy something hidden under plastic that's been raised in an industry. 530 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: So I think we need to ask RFK Junior to 531 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: reform our meat industry for our safety and for animal cruelty. 532 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: Well, we each have our priorities, Jain, and again you 533 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: profess to disagree. Thank you for disagreeing politely. That's very 534 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: kind of you. 535 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 3: Thank you. I've never gone hunting, but I've known people 536 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: who do, and I think they respect the animals, unfortunately 537 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: more than myself or others who just buy our meet 538 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: in the grocery store and forget where it comes from. 539 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: I got to tell a very quick story if I could. 540 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: I have a friend of mine who played for the 541 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: Red Sox back at the days of Ted Williams. His 542 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: name was Ted Lepsio, and back in the nineteen fifties, 543 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: the state of Maine would bring at the end of 544 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: the season a few of the Red Sox players up 545 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: and show them what a great place Maine was. And 546 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: part of that the year that Ted went up. And 547 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: again Ted has passed on, but he used to tell 548 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: this story and we would laugh about it. They put 549 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: three or four of the players out in the woods 550 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: with guns to shoot deer. And so what they did 551 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: was they would push the deer, not push them, but 552 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: kind of be able to. I guess I shouldn't say push. 553 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: It just kind of encouraged them to go by where 554 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: the players were. So anyway, at one point a deer 555 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: walks by Ted, you know, ten feet away, and you know, 556 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: he didn't he had no interest in shooting an animal. 557 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: And he was as as tough a guy as I 558 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: would know, believe me. And so the park ranger came 559 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: by about five minutes after the deer had ambled on 560 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: bye and said, well, Ted, you're seeing him. Deer said, nope, 561 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: just been sitting here. He says, Ted, I moved that 562 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: that deer right by you. He's why I want to 563 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: shoot a deer. So, uh, you know, not everybody would 564 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: would take the opportunity, even if they were couraged, so 565 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: but Ted used to enjoy that story, and you would 566 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: have liked him, Diane, Trust me, he was a great jet. 567 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 6: I know I would. 568 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: Jane, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate 569 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: it as always your loyalthy. Thank you so much. Good night. 570 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: I think we lost her there as I was telling 571 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: my story. 572 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, that's okay. 573 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: In Ted's memory. I had to tell that story. It was. 574 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: It was hilarious when he told it. He said, the 575 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: deer looked at me like you know, he was love 576 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: that story. Laura in New Hampshire, Law, are you in 577 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: next on Nightsacker? Right ahead? Okay, Now, I hope we 578 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: haven't lost the phones here, Rob Let's put Laura on 579 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 2: hold if you would, and we're gonna go to Gail 580 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: and situate Gailee. Are you there? I am, Oh, thank goodness, 581 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 2: my friend Gail and sinuate Gail, you're all. Professor Dianne 582 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: Sullivan of the Mascool of Locke. 583 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 7: Right ahead, Hi, talked to Sullivan. I uh, several some 584 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 7: years ago, I got help from your organization. Thank you 585 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 7: very much. 586 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 4: You are very welcome. 587 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 7: Thank you, Dan. I don't know how you keep it 588 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 7: cool with some of these people. That man that called 589 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 7: in a few a few callers before he said that 590 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 7: the hunters are helping nature. No, they're not. If anything, 591 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 7: these animals are becoming extinct because of hunters. Just go 592 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 7: to just go to Africa. And I've just read a story. 593 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 7: I read a story some months ago that bald American 594 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 7: bald eagles are getting killed. The numbers have gone down 595 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 7: drastically because they're getting hunted. They're getting hunted and killed 596 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 7: by hunters. 597 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of them, by the way, Gail, 598 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: have actually died in some of the windmills in the West. 599 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: To be real with you, sadly, very. 600 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 7: Sadly, by the way, American bald eagles, yes, yeah, okay. 601 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 7: My worry about this is that I did read this 602 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 7: story in the Boston Herald this couple of days ago, 603 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 7: in a shot that Governor Healey had authorized this. It 604 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 7: feels more like Christy Noman is running the country instead 605 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 7: of healing. But I won't go into that. 606 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: No, no, no, she shot her fourteen month old dog, which yes, 607 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: she's off my my Dan's guard. Let me tell you 608 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 2: if you shoot a fourteen months old dog, my god, 609 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 2: and wrote about it and wrote in her book about it. 610 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: But that's you know, be here, go ahead, I introrupted ahead. 611 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 7: No, I'm shot her goat because the goat was dirty. 612 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 7: Don't even get me started. But my concern is my 613 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 7: concern is that so many hunters are going to jump 614 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 7: on this. There'll be too many hunters shooting, and that 615 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 7: bullets are gonna fly and possibly someone's going to get hurt. 616 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 7: That's that's my concern. 617 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: I think Professor Sullivan agrees with that it happened. 618 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 7: Oh well, there you go, and it's like ringing the 619 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 7: dinner bell to hunters. And and I'm also wondering if 620 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 7: Healy is trying to appeal to the right and one 621 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 7: of she's trying to win boats by by allowing this, 622 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 7: you know what I mean. 623 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: She's trying to well, that's what Joe Fanaki said in 624 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: the in the Globe today. I think Joe is correct 625 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 2: on that, and I think I think Professor Sullivan shares 626 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 2: of that concern. I hope to have the governor on 627 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: to defend her position. I have a lot of friends 628 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 2: of mine who are Second Amendment guys, and you could 629 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: be a Second Amendment guy because you want to be 630 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 2: able to, you know, carry a gun to protect yourself 631 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: and your family. But it doesn't necessarily mean you're going 632 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 2: to go out in the woods and kill and sentient, 633 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: another sentient being an animal. 634 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 6: That's right. 635 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 7: I just had a mother and two babies in my 636 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 7: backyard and I'm on the cell shore. I had a 637 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 7: mother and two baby deer in my backyard just two 638 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 7: weeks ago on a Saturday. They're majestic, they don't harm anybody, 639 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 7: they don't bite. I say, leave them alone. 640 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think I think they should have 641 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 2: a day off, and they should. They should be able 642 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 2: to enjoy their sundays like the rest of us and 643 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 2: non worry about that. Thanks. Thanks Gail. We'll talk soon. Okay, 644 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 2: thanks so much for those of you on the line. 645 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to carry this conversation into the next hour. Okay, 646 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: So Laura in New Hampshire, we will get back to you. 647 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 2: Christian Boxfin and Eileen, we will get back to all 648 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: of you. Diane Sullivan, thank you for joining us tonight 649 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 2: and please tell us about Animal Rights Day and the 650 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 2: Shadow Fund, so in case people want to support the 651 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 2: Shadow Fund, particularly all the great work you've done now 652 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 2: for twenty years. 653 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 4: First Animal Right Stay mark your calendars April fourth. I've 654 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 4: ordered good Weather and it's a fun filled day, educational 655 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 4: about the animals. It's with the animals. It's for animals 656 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 4: and the Shadow Fund where we help folks who would 657 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 4: otherwise have to have their beloved family pet euthanized because 658 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 4: they lack the necessary money for certain types of medical expenses. 659 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 4: We step in whenever we can with the help of others, 660 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 4: and we like to think we're making a big difference. 661 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 4: We've helped thousands of the animals at this point. We've 662 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 4: been doing it the years. So thank you w b 663 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 4: Z listeners for all your support. And we could never 664 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 4: do it without Dan. 665 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 6: Right. 666 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 2: Well, you let me tell you you started a great program. 667 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: I got introduced to it when I did the when 668 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: I met you for the first time and did the 669 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: commencement speech at the Mascol of Laura in two thousand 670 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: and eight and fell in love with you then and 671 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 2: fell in love with the program. And I just think 672 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: people should check it out shadowfund any dot org if 673 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: they need help or if more likely they'd like to 674 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: help others and help needy families who have pets and 675 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 2: they're just they kind of afford to provide them with 676 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 2: the medical care that they that they need and they deserve. Diane, 677 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 2: April fourth, the Massachusetts School of Law on Federal Street 678 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 2: and and over easy to get to. And I hope 679 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: that I'll be able to join you that day as well, 680 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 2: and thank you for doing this. 681 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 4: We look forward to that we will talk soon. 682 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks so much, Diane. We're going to continue with 683 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 2: the conversation on the other side of the ten o'clock 684 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: news here on nightside. We got some open lines only 685 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 2: at six point seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. Coming 686 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 2: back on nightside.