1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: This is Football Iam the Natty, brought to you in 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: part by Postman Law and Vice Skyline Chilly on ESPN 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens because it's Tuesday. That's one 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: cool thing about Tuesday. One of the others is Tuesday 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: is when we talk with our guys. Sean Sayath from 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Summer Sports. Sean is one of the authors of the 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: Stats and Schemes newsletter, which shows Up, shows Up, shows 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: up in your inbox multiple times daily. Sean, it's awesome 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: to have you. How are you. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing well, you know. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 4: I will say that it's been a bunch of weeks 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 4: through this season, and by far the best moment of 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 4: the entire season was Joe Flacco's run. 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 3: I can't stop thinking about it. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 4: I was so excited to get on this call Jess 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: so I could relive it. 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: I mean, out of my chair watching it, just love it. 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: He targets Jamar Chase twenty three times. He throws a 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: dime to t Higgins to help seal the game. He 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: makes a great throw to Andrey Yoshavas and you're right. 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: I went to bed on Thursday night thinking about Joe 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: Flacco's run more than any other play. 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: Unbelievable, and I thought he did a really good job 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: of getting the ball out of his hands really really quick, 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 4: and because of that, you end up getting a season 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: low pressure percentage. So one way to help out your 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: offensive line is just get rid of that thing. I 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: think that was really really tonsive and something I think 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: you can take away because it's not that we've seen 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 4: it once now, right, you know, I was, I think 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: a little bit harsh on the Steelers offense when we 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: talked last week. The Steelers defense really I think showed 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: that it had a lot of shortcomings that I was 35 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: glad that Flacco was able to take advantage of. 36 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually going to start there because I've 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: watched some analysis just crushed Pittsburgh for the way they 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: played Higgins and Chase sticking Man, never switching the zone 39 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: or at least rarely switching the zone own Schematically, if 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: you're a Steelers fan, what should you be fuming about 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: when it comes to Thursday. 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 4: There is just a kind of static nature to a 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: Steelers defense where you've seen at times over the last 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 4: few years. Hey, you're gonna throw in some more rotations 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 4: to get to cover two type looks. But Joe Black 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 4: I can clearly still just sit back there and chuck 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: it into kind of these open zone windows. So for me, 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: it feels like this defense it's not gonna be a 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: schematically ahead of the game defense where you don't always 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: have to be schematically ahead of the game. I don't 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 4: want to say that you need to win on a 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 4: chalkboard every time. If you're not going to, you have 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: to be better at a lot of the positions throughout 54 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 4: the defense, and certainly at the cornerback position. 55 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: It did not look like that last Thursday night offensively. 56 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: Did the Bengals offensive line perform well or did Joe 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: Flacco just mask their deficiencies? 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: You know, I do think it was a little bit 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: of Flacco getting rid of the ball so quick like 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: that makes such a big deal. 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: And Chase Brown, I think he. 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: Had overall one hundred yards after contact, so that means 63 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: that he's still being contacted kind of early after the 64 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: line of scrims. I think he course at least like 65 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 4: six mistackled, which is a really good thing. 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: So I don't want to say, all right, well this this. 67 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 4: Rushing performance where you have like close to the ninetieth 68 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 4: percentile in terms of how efficient you were. I don't 69 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 4: want to take it fully away from the offensive line. 70 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: I do think though, that black boy was able to 71 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 4: help the offensive line in the past game, and Chase 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: Brown was I mean, he had no desire to get 73 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: tackled in that game. 74 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: I think that really helped as well. 75 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that. What did they do running 76 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: the football that we could hope is sustainable. 77 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 4: I think that one thing they were smart about just 78 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: running left like he run away from TJ. Watt so 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 4: to me, so many teams have done that this year. 80 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: I think that is a smart thing. Where Chase Brown, 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: you know, he also was pretty effective running out of shotgun, 82 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: which I think that is something that you know, we 83 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: had talked about actually but last year, just how did 84 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: the running back kind of deal with playing in shotgun 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: when you're with Joe Burrow all the time. So I 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: think that that is a really positive thing because you're 87 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: gonna keep them on the ball to Jamar Chase if 88 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: you're able to, you know, get your offensive line maybe 89 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: just a little bit more comfortable in terms of those 90 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: short passes. 91 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: Now you have something in the run game. And I 92 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: mean that's that's a full offense. 93 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: Like that is a full, full offense to be able 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: to attack other teams. 95 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: Sean said, is with us the State the Stats and 96 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: Schemes newsletter. Sign up for it now sumer sports dot com. 97 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: If if not for Flacco's heroics with Higgins and Chase, 98 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: we're talking about another dreadful night for the defense. They've 99 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: made some changes there, right They They've decreased Logan Wilson's 100 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: playing time. You're seeing more of Barrett Carter. We didn't 101 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: have Drey Hendrickson. We saw more of Shamar Stewart until 102 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: we stopped seeing Schamar Stewart. I just the Flacco thing 103 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: is fun. I worry about how sustainable it is. Not 104 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: so much because of him. They just can't get stops. 105 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: And I know I've asked you this a billion times, 106 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: but like Al Golden is trying stuff, He's benching Cam 107 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: Taylor Brick, he's trying lineup changes, and yet the results, 108 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: especially when they need stops, are the same every single week. 109 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: What does the defensive coordinator do? Now? 110 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you're hoping to play a 111 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 4: game against the Steelers where I mean, you get those 112 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: two interceptions and you're just playing a variance game overall. 113 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: I guess when I looked at Rogers, this success, a 114 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: lot of it is kind of between the numbers seventeen 115 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 4: for twenty two for one hundred and seventy yards and 116 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 4: four touchdowns between those numbers, So attacking that kind of 117 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 4: middle of the field area and having success where on 118 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: the outside Rogers through both of his picks kind of 119 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: outside that numbers areas. So it can just be a 120 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: little bit of a thing where linebackers in the NFL are. 121 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: Are a vulnerable position. It is really really tough to 122 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: play down there. 123 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: But is it just a kind of a game to 124 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: game basis where maybe he just keeps saying, hey, go 125 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 4: and push the wall to the outside, like we're gonna 126 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 4: force you to make those throws. 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 5: We're gonna truck at least one of our corners can 128 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 5: make at least one play a week, and then you're 129 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 5: kind of just living with it just because you know, 130 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 5: from an up and down talent perspective, it's it's not 131 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 5: to me a situation where you said, are well, you're 132 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 5: gonna be able to win in these five places, and 133 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 5: now you can start feeling really comfortable. 134 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: Why are the Jets so bad? 135 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's it's quite unfortunate, it really really is. 136 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: I have friends in that uh in that in that 137 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: building that have worked worked that team for a while, 138 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: and it's hard to i think, come out of that 139 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: this season so far with positives really at any level. 140 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: The offense I think is sometimes efficient on a down 141 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 4: and down basis. I think you can take a little 142 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: bit of positive away from some of the things you 143 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: see on the offensive line, but they are they're a 144 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: stick in the. 145 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 3: Mud on offense. 146 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: Their defense that certainly regrets from what we think of 147 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: them a few years ago. 148 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 5: And it is I think pretty clear to me that 149 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 5: they're the worst team in the league. 150 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 4: Obviously, it's easy to say when you start the season 151 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 4: zero to seven. 152 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: Okay, So, like you know, Zach tay is going to 153 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: say all the things about the Jets that he should. 154 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: You know, you don't overlook an opponent, you don't take 155 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: one for granted. But they are zero to seven. The 156 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: game is in Cincinnati. I guess Tyrod Taylor's gonna play 157 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: quarterback for the for the Jets at least, all signs 158 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: point toward that if if they're going to ruin Sunday 159 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, how do they do it? Oh? 160 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: Man, I mean definitely a little bit of turnover. 161 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: Look, I think that's something that has been so far 162 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: against the Jets this season, just like unfathomable kind of 163 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: turnovers happening over and over for that unit. I think, 164 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: you know, Tyra Taylor can still play. I don't want 165 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: to pretend like he can't. I think it's a real 166 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: ground and pound type. Hey, we're just gonna turn out 167 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: first downs on the ground against you Flacco. Maybe you know, 168 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: the two games are just a little bit too magic 169 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: and that. 170 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: Kind of runs out. So to me, that's the path 171 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: for a Jets team that. 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It is saving me time some I 188 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 4: think you'll say, anyone's time, and hey, you know, you 189 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 4: get into an argument, you want to look something up. 190 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: It's an easy way to get an answer, all right. 191 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: And then the Stats and Scheme Newsletter, which is a 192 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: must hip. 193 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: We're still preview and reviewing every single game across the 194 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: season with advanced stats, you know, specific analytics for specific 195 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: types of matchups, whether it's offense versus defense, whether it's 196 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: a specific run concept versus a specific defensive concept. 197 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: It's done a lot of fun this year. 198 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: And hey, you know, it's easy to talk about some 199 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: fun with Joe Flaco. 200 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: So I'm sure that's gonna make it into the way 201 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: this week. 202 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: Flac Omania, Sean, it's what we're calling it, at least 203 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: what I'm calling. 204 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: I'm in. I'm fully in. 205 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: All right, we need all the help we can get Shan, 206 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: You're the best. Thank you as. 207 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 3: Always, Thanks so much, talk next. We appreciate it. 208 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: I love talking with Sean sayat the Stats and Schemes 209 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: newsletter is terrific. Twenty nine away from six o'clock, we're 210 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens, which is also terrific. 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