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Speaker 3: Now you've found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior is here from The Athletic and the

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Speaker 2: Growler podcast on a lot of different Bengals and NFL stuff.

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Speaker 2: Later on, I did an interview with Jean's Territory. You'll

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Speaker 2: hear that. That's at five twenty. Juhanio Suarez spoke earlier

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Speaker 2: today Soda Nick Crawl. You'll hear both. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of ground to cover. We're also taking a request and

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Speaker 2: a special guest a little bit later on, none more

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Speaker 2: special than Paul. Hi, Paul, what's up? How are we

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Speaker 2: doing with it? Wonderful? I love your energy level.

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Speaker 4: You know, some people might think, hey, snowy, kind of

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Speaker 4: a lazy February day.

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Speaker 2: You're here and you are like ready to do this.

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Speaker 2: I am. I appreciate that you always bring There is

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Speaker 2: no off season. Oh oh you were here in June. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: you know there's well you just don't come in correct, yes, ye, no,

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Speaker 2: you're here. You're all in when I'm here, When I'm here,

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Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent all in. There's no there's

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Speaker 2: no denying that. It's it's awesome to have you. What's

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Speaker 2: going on? Not too much.

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Speaker 4: It's a very easy driving here. I imagine buses could

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Speaker 4: have also had a pretty easy drive.

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Speaker 2: But who am I? Yeah, you're you're like me. You're

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Speaker 2: a parent who's wondering why your kid had to be

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Speaker 2: off school today. That's that's who you are, That's what

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Speaker 2: I am. I spent all day wondering, like, really, couldn't

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Speaker 2: have today, couldn't have gone into the snow flurries were

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Speaker 2: and seven hours of real good education that we didn't

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Speaker 2: have it all last week. We couldn't do that today?

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Speaker 2: Apparently not. No, I could have done without the four

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Speaker 2: thirty am call. I love that as much.

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Speaker 4: I mean, so now, not only are are your kids home,

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Speaker 4: but you're going to do it on minimal sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I slept through that text. Yeah, and my

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Speaker 2: saw the text and dropped the news to my kid,

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Speaker 2: no school today, and she was mildly excited. Yeah, she

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Speaker 4: Would I would hope. So I'm excited. We have we

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Speaker 4: built this Bob slid track in our backyard. It's like

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Speaker 4: fit perfectly because my kids are really excited. They loved

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Speaker 4: Cool Runnings and they're very excited about the Jamaican Bob

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Speaker 4: appointment viewing on the Jamaican Bob Slid team and they've

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I don't It's very weird, but I'm accepting

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Speaker 2: of it. I like it. There's a lot of ground

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Speaker 2: to cover that's specific to the Bengals, and we're also

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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna deliver something to your wheelhouse a

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Speaker 2: little bit later on. All right, but can I start

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Speaker 2: with the Hall of Fame stuff?

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Speaker 2: Because right so now Robert Kraft is not going to

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Speaker 2: well and good. Is this good news for Ken Anderson? Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 2: we're down to three. Someone's gonna get in.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna get in, and so if it's the top

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Speaker 4: Obviously, this year was different and had a lot of

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Speaker 2: It's going to be Roger Greig. Not that Roger Craig

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Speaker 2: Probably what is the most You're not a Hall of

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Speaker 4: It's just too hard. There's too many people out there.

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Speaker 4: Check off who you think should get in and whoever

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Speaker 2: What I think baseball gets right is there's no there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that there's and there's been an an

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Speaker 2: There's a guy who tracks Baseball Hall of Fame balloting

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Speaker 2: what's to stop somebody from sy saying, Hey, it's going

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Speaker 2: the official announcement is supposed to be on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: It is supposed to be an unveiling. Now is somebody

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Speaker 4: Obviously someone's leaking this for a reason. It would probably

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Speaker 2: Be it would be incredible. It is a fictional universe.

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Speaker 2: Well well, And I know because I've done it. What

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Speaker 2: I've submitted questions to you before they've not gotten answer.

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Speaker 2: Domatow Peckel is apparently going to be the Steelers defensive

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Speaker 2: Steel Jerry Montgomery, the new Scott Peters in what way

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Speaker 4: I made sure to make a point about him in

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Speaker 4: He deserves more credit than most defensive line coaches get

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Speaker 2: Gotcha. College basketball Tonight, Xavier is on the road against

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Speaker 2: the Athletic and the Growlar podcast is here. You did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to send me these messages. I

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just you know, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 4: everybody else us. Fine, Now does this mean that we're

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Speaker 2: There is the biggest contract extension priority. I would say

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Speaker 4: I think he's the biggest priority because he has played

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Speaker 2: But I think you're, yeah, they're starting with DJ, that's

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Speaker 4: Now you know, they're gonna talk to Ya, They're gonna

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Speaker 4: think you start with the guy who is the best player,

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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy will finish with blank sacks then signed a

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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy guy. Like I want to be the Miles

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Speaker 2: Murphy guy. Why, guy, I have it already because every

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Speaker 2: get laughed at. And I think what we saw at

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Speaker 4: Moving to this, I will say this, and this was

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Speaker 4: if you're going to be a premier edge, you got

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Speaker 4: to come through on money downs, like when it's third

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Speaker 4: and long, that's got to be you. And Trey Henderson

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Speaker 2: Got to be where.

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Speaker 4: And no one had been worse except for one per

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Speaker 4: literally the last two years combined, then Miles Murphy entering

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Speaker 4: this season. I remember pointing this out as the argument

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Speaker 4: against Miles Murphy, whereas there were a lot of reasons

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Speaker 4: maybe you could have you could believe, but then until

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Speaker 4: that changed, it was hard to believe. This year he

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Speaker 4: ends up in the top ten amongst all pass rushers

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Speaker 4: in pressure percentage on third and five or fourth and

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Speaker 4: Will Anderson, Jeffrey Simmons, Jared Vers, Micah Parsons, Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 4: That's who he was. That's not second half of the

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Speaker 4: season that's all season. It's pressure percentage. He's still got

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Speaker 4: to finish better, but that started to be what came

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Speaker 2: You saw the finish start to show up a little

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Speaker 4: But he was getting pressure in those downs where you

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Speaker 4: look for your edge to get pressure all year long.

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Speaker 4: And to me, that's when when you talk about underlying

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Speaker 4: And and if he continues to go in that direction, man,

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Speaker 4: you there's no reason you can't bet on him.

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Speaker 2: He is not there yet, no, but you see direction.

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Speaker 4: Because because you're like when we talk about well Trey

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Speaker 4: you look at this type of stuff, another year development

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Speaker 4: that regard, you can start to put up Hendrickson numbers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if if last year was Miles Murphy was what

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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, So all right, it's come later than

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Speaker 2: we would have liked. That doesn't mean it can't still

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Speaker 2: be a part of what they're doing moving forward. When

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Speaker 2: the top of the list. Yeah. And I would put

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Speaker 4: Of course, the last time I made a double digit

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Speaker 4: maybe grain assault on that, but I think I do.

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Speaker 4: I do think you saw a legit. It was not fake,

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Speaker 4: It was not coincidental. It was not taking advantage of

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Speaker 4: it was a real sustainable leap and that will end

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Speaker 2: Of sacks next year. You're gonna fill in the blank

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Speaker 2: of a million of millions of dollars. You can look

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Speaker 2: up what those guys cost. Okay, Blank is the best

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Speaker 2: coach in the AFC North. That's a hard one. We've

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Speaker 2: been doing this one, right, I mean it's been a

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't I disqualify Todd Monkin and Jesse Minter, Okay, don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you could say that they're the best.

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Speaker 4: We've never even seen them do the job before. So

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Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy, I mean, he's had success, he's won games,

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Speaker 4: he's won super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And versus Zach Taylor, who's had success, he's won games,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know that it's a some

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Speaker 2: some large gap. U Haannio Suarez will hit blank home

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Speaker 2: runs in twenty twenty six. It's not so many U

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Speaker 2: thirty thirty seven? I had thirty six.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, it's fair to expect him to do what

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Speaker 4: if he did, you know. But yeah, I think I

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Speaker 2: All right, this this might be this might be a thing.

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Speaker 2: Now let's do it.

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Speaker 4: that'll be my way of telling you again, just hinting

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Speaker 2: All right, Hang tight, I got more. It's not more

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Speaker 2: sell Cincinnati Bengals a new song. Yeah, and you haven't

650
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Speaker 2: had a chance to write about it, yeah, because it's

651
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Speaker 2: not news. So what I thought we would do is,

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Speaker 2: while you're here, welcome in. The former lead singer of

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Speaker 2: ninety eight Degrees and the current host of Love Is Blind.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati native Nick Lache is with us NET. Congratulations on

655
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Speaker 2: the new song. Obviously, you've hit a bit of a

656
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: breaking point here with the Bengals. What was the breaking

657
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Speaker 2: point for you?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 13: Honestly, you know, I'm fifty two. I've been watching the

660
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Speaker 13: Bengals for probably forty five of those fifty two years,

661
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Speaker 13: so you know, I've seen a lot of very bad

662
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Speaker 13: football in my lifetime. And it gotten kind of used

663
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Speaker 13: to it and gotten kind of doub to it. But

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Speaker 13: I think this past season, just the the announcement that

665
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Speaker 13: they weren't making any kind of changes to what they

666
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Speaker 13: were doing or the way they were doing it, it

667
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Speaker 13: just it was my breaking point. You know, this this

668
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Speaker 13: idea that we're satisfied with failing here in the here out.

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Speaker 13: More importantly now is that we're in the peak of,

670
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Speaker 13: you know, or what should be the peak of.

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow's career.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 13: I think we all can acknowledge he's the perfect quarterback

674
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Speaker 13: for this team. He's a special, special talent. He's an

675
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 13: Ohio kid, he understands Ohio. He's kind of the perfect

676
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 13: fit for the Bengals. And I think when he came

677
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 13: in and I, like a lot of people, thought, well,

678
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 13: this is going to be a chance for the Bengals

679
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Speaker 13: to redefine themselves. You know, we're not gonna be the

680
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 13: laughing stock anymore. We're gonna, you know, redefine who we are.

681
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Speaker 13: Went to that Super Bowl up here, were away, it's

682
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Speaker 13: gonna be a different thing. And now where we've found

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Speaker 13: ourselves back in this same kind of perpetual cycle. And

684
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Speaker 13: so it's just a shame to see that we're we're

685
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Speaker 13: going about business as usual with so much at stake

686
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Speaker 13: and it's not working, you know, and it just finally

687
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 13: I just couldn't. I couldn't take it anymore. So like

688
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 13: I had to say something. And then, you know, look,

689
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 13: you get to talk on the radio every day. I

690
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 13: get to sing. So that's you know, we do we uh,

691
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 13: we do we know best, and that's I had to

692
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 13: channel it all into a into a song.

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Speaker 14: It was.

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Speaker 13: It was strangely therapeutic.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, Nick, thanks, thanks so much. I know you

696
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Speaker 2: have to get back to work. It's the masked singers

697
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Speaker 2: on the night or something or if I don't know anyway,

698
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Speaker 2: So Nick La Paul, I'm I'm sorry you're not going

699
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: to get a chance to ask a question, but there's

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Speaker 2: a direct quote from you that you could use to

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Speaker 2: write about Nick Lache's dissatisfaction with the Bengals resulting in

702
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Speaker 2: what I'm sure is going to be a song that

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Speaker 2: tops the charts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously, I know, I appreciate that. I was still

705
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: confused what just happened?

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Speaker 2: I did you? I mean, what is that? So first

707
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Speaker 2: of all, you know, we're streaming this hour on Twitter,

708
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: and so folks who happened to be watching got a

709
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: chance to see your face when that happened, and that

710
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: made it work it for me, that was that part

711
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: wasn't planned. This is gonna be like so I just

712
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: we just got done watching.

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Speaker 4: There was this series called called Dirty Talk about talk

714
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: shows in the nineties that was on, and so I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I've really had like the old Ricky Lake and Jerry Springer,

716
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: Jenny Jones, I mean, which ended very badly, but it's

717
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: actually an excellent Jenny Jones.

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Speaker 2: There was there was a death because of her show.

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Speaker 2: You had to go to trial. You should watch it. It's great,

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Speaker 2: sounds sounds fun.

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Speaker 4: It actually was. Yeah, actually that not that part, but

722
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: lots of old Jerry. Anyway, I've had that on my mind.

723
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Speaker 4: And then You're like, I.

724
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Speaker 2: Thought he was gonna walk in the door.

725
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Speaker 4: I thought it was to be like Jerry and he

726
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: was gonna like throw a chair at me or something

727
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 4: like that. Austin's gonna come out of the bath Jerry.

728
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: I was ready for it. I mean, I had that

729
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: in my head and I'm like, what is happening here?

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Speaker 4: So all right, I believe in transparency. Yeah, so yesterday

731
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Speaker 4: my friend down the hall, John John Atkiss one O seven.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you want to have Nick Lache on? Like,

733
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Speaker 2: all right, sure, what's the most fun that I can

734
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: have with this? And then I'm like, well, Paul's here tomorrow.

735
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Speaker 2: And Paul doesn't dislike Nick Lache at least I don't

736
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Speaker 2: think you do. No, you dislike the fact that what

737
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: he says is treated like it's news, like it's big news.

738
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Speaker 2: And so he wrote a song last week urging Mike

739
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: Brown to sell the team and outlets treat it like

740
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: it's news, which, by the way, it is a new

741
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: song being released, you know, right right. I mean, when

742
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: when a famous artist releases a protest song out of

743
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: the blue, it it ends up being news. So and

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00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: uh and so I thought, what we'll do is is

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Speaker 2: I'll tape an interview with Nick and then I'll sort

746
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: of ambush Paul with it. I got the It was silent, unfortunately,

747
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: but I got the reaction that I was looking for. Yeah,

748
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: I was very confused.

749
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Speaker 4: I'm just happy that this wasn't like an actual tech No,

750
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Speaker 4: that's that's that's great.

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00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I still would say that it's not really news. I

753
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: would still say that it's pretty clear. But you know what,

754
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: I got the number of texts that I got last

755
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: Friday and I hadn't seen it, and I was like,

756
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Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening, but Nick Lache has done

757
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: something and people really want me to know about it. Yeah,

758
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 4: so it's been there's there's been a lot of discussions,

759
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: like if there should be some sort of a disc

760
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: disc track that I should do on who they like?

761
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: Got a microphone in front of you right now.

762
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: No, I take some time to compose a song. I

763
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: guess I don't know, but my my diss again. I

764
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 4: have listened well as long as I could get into it.

765
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Speaker 4: I laughed about I could take about twenty seconds of

766
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Speaker 4: a song.

767
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Speaker 2: I'm not a lot of ambiguity to it. That's what's

768
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Speaker 2: great about it.

769
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Speaker 4: No, I think it would be better if like Mike

770
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Speaker 4: Brown did this track or something, if we could ever

771
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 4: make that happen.

772
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: Do you think like the Brown family on Friday afternoon

773
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: quickly convene a meeting, of course, because.

774
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: What are we gonna do about the Lache problem? Everyone

775
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 4: gather around Katie, Katie, we've got the worse Katie.

776
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: No, it's not how this Anyway, I interviewed Nick and

777
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: there was a minute of it for you. What else

778
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: is on this Are you gonna like drop these in

779
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: on me periodic? I might, I might over the course

780
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: of the coming It'll be like the Michael Jordan thing

781
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: on NBC's NBA, where that's you know, he did one

782
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: big interview and they just keep dropping in snippets of

783
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: it during the pre That might be what we do

784
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: with the Nick Lache interview that I recorded at one

785
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Speaker 2: thirty this afternoon. I love it. I love it. I'm

786
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Speaker 2: happy for you. I'm happy for you. I got the

787
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: look on your face. I just can't believe priceless.

788
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: It got dropped apparently last week around the tweet or

789
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Speaker 4: whatever I saw it was in the middle of the afternoon.

790
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Speaker 4: The fact that I didn't see a push alert until

791
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Speaker 4: nine o'clock actually was.

792
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Speaker 2: The upset of the day. Really that it wasn't.

793
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Speaker 4: I just I'm disappointed in those people because they're usually

794
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Speaker 4: much faster.

795
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Speaker 2: I saw it. I was sitting in the back of

796
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Speaker 2: an uber on my way to an event and I

797
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: saw it, and I was trying to come up with

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Speaker 2: like a way to tweet you, and I'm like, you know,

799
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Speaker 2: it's Friday evening. I don't know that this will be

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Speaker 2: received in the spirit that I wish, So why don't

801
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: I wait till Tuesday and then yesterday when my colleagues like,

802
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 2: I can get Nick Lache on and I'm like, all right,

803
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: we can. We're cant have fun with that. Yeah, well,

804
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

805
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Speaker 4: I'm honest, I'm glad you explained it because I was

806
00:40:59,080 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 4: very confused.

807
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: Jim was like, so I legitimately was like, you know what,

808
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: can I get him at three forty five? Can I

809
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: just get him on live? And I'm like, nah, that's

810
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: not probably the best approach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So there it is, well done. Thank you very much.

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00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: This has been We've learned so much.

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00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: We have Paul Danner Junior read his work on the Bengals.

814
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: He's going through the pass Rush Part one today, yes,

815
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: part two tomorrow. Part three is Thursday. Correct. Wow, all day.

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Speaker 2: That's a little lot, man, unbelievable. It's incredible. Fill in

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Speaker 2: the space quite well. And the latest edition of the

818
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Speaker 2: Growler podcast came out earlier today. Watch that on YouTube

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Speaker 2: your podcast? We got auheneos where as to talk about

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Speaker 2: There's a question that was brought to me that I

822
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Speaker 2: think as fans we can't help but ask. I'll tell

823
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Speaker 2: you what that question is coming up at four oh five.

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do something here, but we're not really supposed

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Speaker 2: coming up at five point twenty. A Euhaneusuarez. We talked

843
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: a lot about him. Yesterday. I got a question from

844
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Speaker 2: a buddy of mine. I don't know if he would

845
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: want me to share his name, so I won't, But

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00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: the question was, if a Euhenio Suarez had never played

847
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: for the Reds, would the Reds have signed him this offseason?

848
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: And good for them for signing him because and I

849
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: beat this into the ground yesterday, he addresses a need,

850
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: right They needed pop, They needed a guy who can

851
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: hit home runs. Home runs are good. Auhaneo Soarez is

852
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: a one dimensional player. That's okay if you have a

853
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: glaring need for the one dimension he brings to the table,

854
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: and the Reds do. Heav a glaring need for the

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Speaker 2: one dimension that a Euhaneo Suarez brings to the table.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Nick Kral talked today about going to

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00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: ownership and you'll hear this in the five o'clock are

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00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: going to ownership and asking for a you know, the

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Speaker 2: freedom to go ahead and sign him, which would stretch

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00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: their payroll beyond what they had originally budgeted, and good

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00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: for them. We could debate the amount of credit you

862
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: want to give ownership for trying to win, like that's

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Speaker 2: let's be honest. If you want to throw a parade

864
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: for any team owner who decides, hey, let's try to win,

865
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: you're coming from a place where the standards are very,

866
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: very very very low. If the Reds were ever serious

867
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: about winning, legitimately serious about winning, it never should have

868
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: been a question. We need home runs. What's it going

869
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: to take to get them? Whatever it takes, we will pay,

870
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: especially if it doesn't involve trading prospects, especially if it

871
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: doesn't involve trading away from the strength of the team

872
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: starting pitching. The best thing about this trade, I should say,

873
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: the best thing about this acquisition of a Juhanio Suarez.

874
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: All it did is cost money. It didn't cost an arm,

875
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: it didn't cost a picture. That is great. So now,

876
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: if you want to say, let's give ownership credit for

877
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: extending the payroll this year, okay, kinda, but like, remember

878
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, this was the ownership group that says

879
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna bring championship baseball to Cincinnati. Okay, cool, Then

880
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: do things that help bring Championship Baseball to Cincinnati. If

881
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: you don't, you are going to get blamed. You are

882
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: going to get criticized if you do. All you're doing

883
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: is what you said you were gonna do. All you're

884
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: doing is what you should do if you're serious about winning.

885
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: But yes, they extended the payroll, so good for them. However,

886
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: and we're never gonna get an answer to this. But

887
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: I was asked this today by a friend of mine

888
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: who's loyal listener to this show, and he asked, what

889
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: I think is a good question, Ifie, you hedeous Are

890
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: had never played for the Reds, would they have signed him?

891
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Be honest, be honest, It wouldn't surprise you if you

892
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: found out the answer was no. Like he is a

893
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: guy who had a very good run. Here hit forty

894
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: nine home runs in a season during a period of

895
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: time where the Reds weren't very good. He did what's

896
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: really hard to do on a bad team. It became

897
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: a fan favorite. Was a part of that team in

898
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty in the drive through season that played in

899
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: the postseason. It's part of the team in twenty twenty

900
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: one that flirted with a playoff spot. Like lots of

901
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: reasons to love euhanius Warez. But the thing that I

902
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: think you should love the most is the fact that

903
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: last season he hit forty nine home runs. You can't

904
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: help but wonder, and be honest, it would be sort

905
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: of the most Cincinnati Reds thing ever to want to

906
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 2: sign him, not mainly because of the forty nine home runs,

907
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: but because he used to play here and fans loved him.

908
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Like you remember, back in early December, right the whole

909
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber flirtation was what was said in the immediate

910
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: aftermath of their failed attempt to get Kyle Schwarber. It was, well,

911
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, they thought they thought they would get a

912
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: significant boost in their ticket sales, and they thought they

913
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: could market him because he's from here. And it's like, yeah,

914
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: that's all well, and good guy hit fifty six home

915
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: runs last year. They need a guy who could hit

916
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: the ball out of the ballpark at a prodigious rate.

917
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber can I don't care if he's from Middletown, Nebraska.

918
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: I don't care if the dude's never even been to Cincinnati,

919
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: do not care. Can he hit the ball over the wall,

920
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: That's all that matters, And then it felt like, well,

921
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: they weren't interested in anybody else who didn't have direct

922
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: ties to Cincinnati. Like legit, I've heard people say that

923
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: Pete Alonso wasn't a good fit. What huh? Because younger

924
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: actually plays a position most importantly can hit the ball

925
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: over the fence. Yeah, but he's not from here, and

926
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: uh he he might not sell any tickets. Euhanio Suarez

927
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: is obviously not from here, and his popularity is well earned.

928
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: And the main thing that matters to most of us

929
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: is can he give this team what it badly needed

930
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: last year? But would you be surprised? Would you be surprised?

931
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: Not from Nick Krawl's perspective, because I really think it's

932
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: fair to say that Nick Krawl just wants to build

933
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: the best possible team. I mean, you don't think Nick

934
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: Krawl would love to spend like one hundred million dollars

935
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: more in the club. Of course he does, like of

936
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: course he does. He's operating within the parameters that are

937
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: set forth by the people that he works for. But

938
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: would you be surprised put yourself in Nick Krawl' shoes?

939
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: All right, I gotta figure out a way to get

940
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: them to let me spend a little bit more money.

941
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: What do you think was more persuasive. Hey, we need

942
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 2: home runs. This guy hit forty nine of them last year,

943
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: So can I have some extra money to sign the dude?

944
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: Or are you Haneo Suarez is available? Remember him fans,

945
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: fans loved him, good vibes. Only remember him and Jim

946
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: day A. Haneo Suarez how to get people excited. I

947
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: can tell you this, if I were Nick Krawl, that

948
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: would have at least been in my back pocket, and

949
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: it might have been what I led with. I don't

950
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: know that that's the best statement about this club. Like,

951
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that guy. I don't want

952
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: to rain on the parade or drop snow flurries that

953
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: cancel school on the parade. I don't want to pour

954
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: cold water over everybody's excitement. And at the end of

955
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: the day, all that matters is did they make the

956
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: team better? And I think they did. It's hard to

957
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: argue that they did not. But if you were Nick Krawl,

958
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 2: put yourself in his shoes. You've got to convince Bob

959
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: and Phil to give you some extra money to extend

960
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: the payroll, to go outside the original budget. What are

961
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: you leading with guy hit forty nine bombs Even if

962
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't hit forty nine bombs in this ballpark playing DH,

963
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 2: if he doesn't get hurt, he'll hit thirty to thirty

964
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: five and that'll be a big plus. Like that's something

965
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: we didn't have last year. And we still think there's

966
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: a lot of life in that bad and we think

967
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: we have a good enough team that we're not going

968
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: to need him to play defense. And we think we

969
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: have a good enough team that will put up with

970
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: the strikeouts and not getting on base, But we need

971
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: somebody who can hit the ball out of the ballpark

972
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: and has advanced deep into the postseason and has the

973
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,479
Speaker 2: temperament that we want, Like he's a great fit. Would

974
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: you lead with that? Or remember that guy who used

975
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: to be here and everybody really seemed to like, Well,

976
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: he's available, he's available, Maybe sell a ticket or two,

977
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: can send some fun tweets about him. I think I'd

978
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: lead with that, Bob, Phil, Could I have a little

979
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: bit more dough, a little bit more financial leeway to

980
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: go get that guy that everybody used to love before

981
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: we traded him away. It may not matter. All that

982
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: matters is he's here. I'm sure Terry Francona would tell you,

983
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care what you had to

984
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: do to get him, as long as you got him.

985
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: And I could stick him in the middle of the order,

986
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: and I could offer some protection to Elie de la Cruz,

987
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: and I have a like a legit bat in the

988
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: middle of the order that when you're an opposing manager

989
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: or an opposing picture working your way through the lineup,

990
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: you've got that power potential there. That is all that mattered.

991
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: And there should be a little bit more excitement, maybe

992
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: a lot more excitement for this year's team based on

993
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: Sunday's news, and hell yeah, euhaneos Warez is an exceptionally

994
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: easy guy to root for. Often during that miserable twenty

995
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: twenty two season, I thought of him not so much

996
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: because of the production the Reds could have gotten. But

997
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 2: you know what, if we have to endure one hundred losses,

998
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: give me a couple of guys who have fun personalities

999
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: because that team didn't have that many. So hell yeah

1000
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: on au Haaneosuarez. But the main thing to be all

1001
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: hell yeah about is forty nine dingers and the possibility

1002
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: that he hits let's just say forty this season, and

1003
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: then you think about what that might mean if Sal

1004
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 2: Stewart is as good as we hope, and if Elie

1005
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: de la Cruz ends up making a significant leap in

1006
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: part because he's got a little bit more protection, and

1007
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: perhaps maybe the two whole production can be significantly better

1008
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: because it was atrocious last year. Who cares why they

1009
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: got him? I understand, I don't disagree, But wouldn't you

1010
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: love to be able to exist, even if just for

1011
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: a few minutes, in an alternate universe where a Eugenio Suarez,

1012
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: instead of spending a huge chunk of his career in Cincinnati,

1013
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: spent that time with the Chicago White Sox, or the

1014
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Pirates of the Kansas City Royals, or anyone else.

1015
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: Do you believe, and there's no way of proving the

1016
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: answer is yes or no one of those hypotheticals, do

1017
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: you believe if a Uhanius Wuarez had never wore a

1018
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: Reds uniform that he would have been brought to Cincinnati

1019
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: to play for a team that expanded its payroll in

1020
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 2: order to get him. That might be a pollp question today.

1021
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: We'll see five, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty eight

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Speaker 2: Oh dot Com. I said I was gonna do something

1026
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't do, and I didn't do it, so we'll

1027
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Speaker 2: do the opposite next.

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Speaker 2: was a lot of fun to chat with on Friday night.

1033
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Speaker 2: If you missed yesterday show, we had Ron Harper on

1034
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: the greatest Miami University basketball player of all time, five

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Speaker 2: time NBA Champion. He was awfully fun to talk to.

1036
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Speaker 2: So was Jeff Carr from the Lockdown Reds podcast about

1037
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,080
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, T Higgins, and Jamar Chase. Flag football or

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Speaker 2: You think they'll walk away thinking, Man, I wish I

1051
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: could play with a good defense like this. I just

1052
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: don't want anybody who counts to get hurt. That's it.

1053
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 2: That's it. Like I don't have that much. I would

1054
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: have interest in flag football if I felt like the

1055
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 2: players playing it were taking it seriously. I don't blame

1056
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: them for not taking it seriously. But if you're not

1057
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 2: gonna take it seriously, I'm not gonna watch. And so

1058
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: isn't a flag football becoming a thing in MegaR household?

1059
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: It is, and it's gonna be a thing in the Olympics,

1060
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: like we my daughter and I. My daughter's afraid of

1061
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: the ball, and I'm trying to like work that out

1062
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: of her. She plays basketball and she's really good at

1063
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: ball handling. She's really good at shooting. She's not like

1064
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: great at catching a pass, which is a problem. And

1065
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 2: then she likes to throw the football. But when I

1066
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: throw it back it's still so we're working on it.

1067
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: But she likes to catch it if she can. She

1068
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: likes to throw it and then try to tackle me.

1069
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: I just got a video sent to me for my

1070
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: wife of her and her friend's sledding. Because it's no

1071
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: school today because the flurries canceled school this morning. It's

1072
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: really really snowy out. So maybe tomorrow no school again

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Speaker 2: and we could play football in the snow anyway. Our

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00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: our guy, our guy, Mike, Mike is on hold. Mike

1075
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: is They put him on hold on three sixty and

1076
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: never took his call. How rude, Hi, Mike.

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Speaker 11: I'm well, thank you, thank you, Terren, appreciate you as well.

1078
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: Roll Tarrn didon do anything?

1079
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: Terrndon do anything, says three sixty took your call and

1080
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: put you on hold. You've been on hold this entire time.

1081
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 2: Don't think terr Tarren literally did nothing.

1082
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 11: I will never ever criticize tarn Bland. I don't care

1083
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 11: if he kills somebody.

1084
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: Well, I do have limitations. If he does kill somebody,

1085
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: I would have to ask what the justification was. But

1086
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: beyond that, no, Arran is above any criticism.

1087
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's my dude, that's my guy. I really wish

1088
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 11: you and Taran were out on Radio Row this week.

1089
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 11: I just I because listen, San Francisco is to hands down,

1090
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 11: the most beautiful city in America. It's not even cook.

1091
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: Radio Row is the sad place on earth. It is

1092
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: the saddest. So like it's it's fun, it's fun to

1093
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: go out of town. It's fun to go to cities

1094
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: you haven't been to. It's it's fun. If you can

1095
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: go to Radio Row and the super Bowl, that is awesome.

1096
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: As a Radio Row veteran, it is the saddest place

1097
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: because like what you watch, like a lot of the

1098
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: big shows you watch, you know Dan Patrick, or you

1099
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: watch some of the ESPN shows, and they have like

1100
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: these elaborate setups that are usually not really anywhere close

1101
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: to Radio Row. What Radio Row is, it's a room

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00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: with a bunch of tables and a whole bunch of

1103
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: like celess guests, former players pushing products that your audience

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00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: has no interest in. And it's it's folks doing their

1105
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: local radio shows and they're so desperate for content that

1106
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: like when a rep walks up to him and says, hey,

1107
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: do you do you want to interview former Steelers quarterback

1108
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: Mark Malone on behalf of like Salon Pause, people say

1109
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: yes to that, right, And so there's like a listeners

1110
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: walking through. It's like, hey, can we get Jerry Rice on? Nah,

1111
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: he's a little bit too big for you, but I'll

1112
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: tell you what. I'll give you a Oj McDuffie former

1113
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: Dolphins running back Oj McDuffie on behalf of pringles you

1114
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: want to talk to him? And hosts are like yeah, yes.

1115
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: When we did Radio Row, we filtered out all of

1116
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: that because I had no interest in talking to like

1117
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: Walter Payton sod or like Damn Marino walked by. It's like,

1118
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: Damn Marino would be cool. Could we talk to him? No,

1119
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: but we could offer you former San Francisco forty nine

1120
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: Ers lineman Harris Barton Again, I'm good man, I'm okay.

1121
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: Radio Row is the saddest place on Earth. If the

1122
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: Bengals ever go back to the Super Bowl. I do

1123
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: not want to broadcast from Radio Row. I don't want

1124
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: to broadcast next to an ice chest, but I don't

1125
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: want to broadcast next to I don't want to broadcast

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: from Radio Row.

1127
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, I had to bring up the ice chests and

1128
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 11: Barney's beaner here.

1129
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, outside out outside Barney's beatery. Even though my

1130
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: accommodations there broadcasting next to the ice chest were a

1131
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: little spartan, still better than Radio Row.

1132
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 11: Wow, that's anesome. Because today I was going around to

1133
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 11: dial there was a guy from Saint Louis. I haven't

1134
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 11: never heard him before. He was on Radio Row. Of

1135
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 11: course he's from Saint Louis, so he's probably not got

1136
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 11: a lot, but he had Kurt Warner on.

1137
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1138
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 11: And then then the guy from Tampa. I slips down

1139
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 11: the WDAE out of Tampa and that Tom Chris Nickey guy.

1140
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 11: He had John Bruden on too, Yeah, which is really

1141
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 11: kind of cool.

1142
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: So like that makes sense. We did Radio Row in

1143
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: twenty eleven from Indy, and we said no to everybody.

1144
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: We said yes to Kate Upton only because we kind

1145
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: of conned her into being on for five minutes and

1146
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: then ended up being a disaster because the person back

1147
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: at the station who was supposed to be helping us record,

1148
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: like went to go get a sandwich. We said yes

1149
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: to Andy Dalton AJ Green because that mattered to our audience.

1150
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, we went we did it from New

1151
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: York Marvin Jones and Connor Barwin because they matter to

1152
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: our audience. But like you know, with all of them,

1153
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: there's this dumb transactional part of it, where again you're

1154
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: usually talking to people. It's like, hey, we could talk

1155
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: to former Vikings quarterback Wade Wilson, who's going to be

1156
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: talking with this on behalf of Levi's. Nobody wants to

1157
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: hear those interviews. Nobody. And so that's what the Radio

1158
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: Row experience is for ninety percent of people broadcasting from it.

1159
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: And then the hosts who go on, they tell you

1160
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of inside stories about where they went to

1161
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: dinner the night before and who they saw, and it's

1162
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: just I believe Radio Row is the saddest place in America.

1163
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Speaker 11: Okay, okay, kind of like when you had Higgins and

1164
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 11: Chase Brown on trying to sell bounty towels.

1165
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do that because it's it's Chase Brown

1166
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: and T Higgins, and like I believe in setting that up. Going, Look,

1167
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear a one minute plug for Bounty Paper towels,

1168
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: but we're gonna get eight minutes of football stuff like that.

1169
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: But it's two people that my audience wants to hear from.

1170
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: So you're willing to do the plug. But if it's like, hey,

1171
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: we can get on former Colts backup quarterback Jim Sorgie,

1172
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: who's going to be with us on behalf of PetSmart,

1173
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: No the plug, buy a commercial and get a better

1174
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: spokesperson than Jim Sorgie. And with that, Mike, I got

1175
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Speaker 2: to run. Thanks very much.

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Speaker 11: Oh wait, wait one second, one second, it's about you,

1177
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 11: Hennios Flores.

1178
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Speaker 2: Very question.

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Speaker 14: I looked.

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01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 11: I looked up the data from the home runs that

1181
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 11: he was hitting in Seattle, and here's the thing. Seattle

1182
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 11: is the hardest park in the Major Leaps to hit

1183
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 11: a home runs based on three things. The marine climate

1184
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 11: what's called this slanted batter's eye, which I don't know

1185
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 11: what that means, and cold air density that conspired a

1186
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 11: dead and offense and magnified pitchers success. So T Mobile

1187
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 11: consistently suppresses contact power and distance like no ballparks.

1188
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Speaker 2: So welcome you hang out, Welcome home, are you Haneo, Mike?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? As always saddest place on Earth? Radio Row.

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Speaker 2: I know that's real inside baseball, Like radio people go

1191
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: because we get a chance to go, and like I

1192
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't say no if hadn't I not gone before. I

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: just don't think it's good content. And you just you

1194
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: look around and it's like, why are you There's these

1195
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: bad setups. There are card tables, it's totally unglamorous, food

1196
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: bags all over the place, d list former football players

1197
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: walking around. So if the Bengals ever go back to

1198
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, I hope to god I can broadcast

1199
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Speaker 2: from it. But in LA four years ago, I just said,

1200
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Speaker 2: not Radio Row anywhere, but Radio Row. And so the

1201
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: people that I work for said, cool, here's an ice

1202
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Speaker 2: chest enjoy. What is to stop like anybody from suing

1203
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: the NCAA so they could play college basketball? Our guy,

1204
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: our legal expert, Stuart W. Penrose from Manila Law Group,

1205
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Speaker 2: will answer questions for US next.

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Speaker 2: So are we really going to have a guy who

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01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: has played in ten NBA games, not G league games

1219
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: like National Basketball Association games. Is he going to be

1220
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: allowed to come back and play high major Division one

1221
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: men's college basketball. Well, if a guy by the name

1222
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: of Amari Bailey gets his way, the answer is going

1223
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: to be yes. He used to play at UCLA, declared

1224
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: for the draft. It hasn't worked out, but he has

1225
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: played in the NBA and now now he wants to

1226
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: challenge the NCAA's eligibility rules, becoming the latest in a

1227
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: long line of athletes who are doing this to come

1228
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Speaker 2: back and play college hoops. So we have questions, and

1229
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: when we have legal questions, we reach out to our

1230
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: guy from Manila Law Group, Attorney Stewart W Penrose Stewart.

1231
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Speaker 2: It's always awesome to have you get Afternoon, always great

1232
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Speaker 2: to be on. Well, thanks for having me. I've asked

1233
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Speaker 2: you this question before, you have covered it on this show,

1234
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: but I feel like we have to ask it again.

1235
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Speaker 2: Why is the ncuba's track record in court so bad?

1236
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 14: Because they're violating antitrust regulations and law in a lot

1237
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 14: of ways, and that's why they keep losing in court.

1238
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 14: Players right now, instead of fighting, the NCUBA and in

1239
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 14: Indianapolis are filing for injunctions and their low go in

1240
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 14: their local courts, and they tend to be winning. This

1241
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 14: one seems like a bit of an exception here, though

1242
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 14: no time will tell. I mean, all it takes is

1243
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 14: one landmark case to swing things around. But you know,

1244
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 14: courts aren't given the nc double an, you know, the

1245
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 14: traditional defference that they used to, and you know they're

1246
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,479
Speaker 14: they're asking them the same questions of that they would

1247
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 14: any other business. You know, hey, are your rules and

1248
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 14: regulations good for competition or not? And and they're losing

1249
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 14: quite a bit recently.

1250
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Speaker 2: So based on the track record recent and not so recent,

1251
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: based on this being a different type of case than

1252
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: the ones that you and I have already talked about

1253
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: on this show, do you like this guy's chances of

1254
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: winning the chance to come back and play college basketball?

1255
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 6: No?

1256
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 2: No, you never know how court's can roll.

1257
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm not Pelsey, I'm not setting up any

1258
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 14: event prediction market here for it. But this one feels

1259
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 14: like the stretch. I mean, we've got the guy playing

1260
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 14: for Alabama right now that's playing under a h under

1261
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 14: a temporary injunction, who played in the in the G League.

1262
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: We're talking a guy here who.

1263
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 14: Actually played NBA games.

1264
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 11: You know, if if the.

1265
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 14: If the course allowed us to happen, they're essentially putting

1266
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 14: a sledgehammer to the difference between pro and amateur athletics.

1267
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: And what is what what does that even mean anymore? What?

1268
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 14: What meaning? What relevance does that have to the n

1269
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 14: C double A simply become a feeder league? Does advice

1270
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 14: versa become a feeder league if things aren't working out

1271
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 14: in the NBA, the NFL? What have you? This field?

1272
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: This feels very different. No, it does, but I can't

1273
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: help but wonder if if this guy's case ends up

1274
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: being successful. And it's I agree with you, you know

1275
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: a lot more than me. You certainly don't need me,

1276
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 2: uh to validate your opinion. But but if he is successful,

1277
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: I guess I wonder what's to stop pretty much anybody,

1278
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: anybody at any age, any level of experiences, any sport,

1279
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: from saying I want to play college sports and if

1280
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: your rules aren't gonna let me, I'm gonna sue and

1281
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna win.

1282
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 14: Well, it's all a slippery slope, and that's the argument.

1283
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 14: That's why you know the coaches in college basketball are

1284
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Speaker 14: in a huff and puff over the Alabama player playing.

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Speaker 14: But this isn't a slope. This is the cliff here, mo.

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Speaker 14: You know, if they let this kid play and open

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 14: the floodgates for for professionals to come back, or does

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01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 14: it stop? Do you have Lebron jameson and up on

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Speaker 14: Ohio State when he retired from the NBA.

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Speaker 11: You know who knows. But it's gonna be interesting. You

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 11: never know how a court's gonna go.

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Speaker 14: But this one feels different the n C double if

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 14: still is allowed to have rules and regulations, this one

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01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 14: seems seems pretty clear cut. You know, you wait, you

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 14: played in the NBA, there's your amateur status. At that point,

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Speaker 14: they can still you know, force players to go to class.

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 14: They can still have a you know, exhausted players eligibility.

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Speaker 14: You know, it has to end at some point, and

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Speaker 14: you know, maybe this guy gets a short, temporary injunction.

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Speaker 14: Who knows, but it would be I would be very

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Speaker 14: surprised if he were to win this case in the

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Speaker 14: merits and this were to be a long term floodgate

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Speaker 14: that so opens up here and effectively kills the amateur

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Speaker 14: the amateur model.

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Speaker 2: You and I whenever it's left at least, yeah, and

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01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: there's not much of a left. You and I talked

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Speaker 2: last week about the Alabama case Charles Bettiako, who is

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Speaker 2: playing for the Crimson Tide, and one of the things

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Speaker 2: I asked you about was the judge being an apparent

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Speaker 2: Alabama booster. He was he was asked to recuse himself

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Speaker 2: by the attorney representing the player. Uh, I don't think

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Speaker 2: I have that right. He was asked to recuse himself

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Speaker 2: by the n C double A. I think that's that's

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Speaker 2: how I should have put that anyway, So he has

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Speaker 2: the judge has since recused himself. What might that mean

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Speaker 2: for this case moving forward?

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Speaker 14: Well, it would go to a different judge with the

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 14: net court system, and and that's what it would still

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Speaker 14: be in the local court system.

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Speaker 11: There.

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Speaker 14: They haven't asked her to be moved to federal court

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01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 14: at this At this point, it simply goes to a

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Speaker 14: different judge, whether that's judge as Alabama tized as an

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Speaker 14: Alabama booster.

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Speaker 11: Who knows, they could be back at square.

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Speaker 14: One for probably know, but a lot of these players

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01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 14: are filing in these local courts mode. You've got the

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Speaker 14: Tennessee player that's suing in a local court in Tennessee

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 14: shamblets from old myths suit to Mississippi courts, you know,

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Speaker 14: over his eligibility. You would think, I mean, those are

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 14: gonna be more favorable to the local player quite frankly.

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Speaker 14: You know the optics, you know, your your senses aren't

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Speaker 14: deceiving you there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh. Stuart Attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the Manila

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Speaker 2: Law Group. You can learn more at Manila Lawgroup dot com.

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Speaker 2: Here's something I never thought we would be discussing on

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Speaker 2: this show, The Epstein Files. So a whole treasure trove

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Speaker 2: of files have been released by the Justice Department, and

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Speaker 2: among those connected to Jeffrey Epstein are a couple of

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Speaker 2: NFL owners Steve Tish, who's the Giants co owner and chairman,

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: Josh Harris who owns the Washington Commanders, and so many

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: are wondering like could the league hold these men accountable?

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01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: And what would that look like? Could it involve making

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: them sell their teams? Could it involve making them step

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01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: down from active roles, Could it involve suspension, fines, punishment.

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: Would the league have a legal leg to stand on

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01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: if they wanted to punish people who were connected to

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein.

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 11: Well, there's a yes.

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Speaker 14: But the NFL has punished owners in the past for

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01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,839
Speaker 14: various things. You've had owners punished for getting a dui

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 14: or for other types of misconduct. Snyder was certainly published

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 14: punished by the NFL for at a period of time,

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01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 14: and you know es since he was kind of pushed

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 14: out the door. You had the NBA, you know, fort

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 14: Donald Sterling to eventually sell the Clippers for years of

1357
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 14: racist allegations. Those were all done with what was some

1358
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 14: level investigation. You know, can can they punish someone for

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01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 14: a time to st Yes, but there's got to be

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01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 14: more there. Just being in somebody's you know, phone book

1361
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 14: or sharing emails with them does not necessarily mean that

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01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 14: they did anything wrong or unethical, much less if there

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 14: was any criminal conduct. There doesn't need to be criminal conduct,

1364
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 14: but there's got to be some sort of accusations or

1365
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 14: allegations or corroboration to even trigger an investigation here to see,

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01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 14: if you know, to see if something went on. There's

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01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 14: a lot of people that have been named in these

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 14: Epstein files, and you know, some of what I'm sure

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01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 14: you know they have done some very bad things, and

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 14: some of what I'm sure we're just you know, you know,

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 14: come in contact with him and in none of nefarious ways.

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01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 11: And you know, was there that here or not?

1373
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 14: You know, we don't know, But you know, there's got

1374
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 14: to be allegations. There's something to trigger investigation there before

1375
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 14: you go from zero two one hundred. So could they

1376
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 14: punish if there's that, Absolutely, But there's got to be something,

1377
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 14: And just being in a in a phone, blog or

1378
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 14: an email is not itself enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think of sports leagues, and

1380
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: I think of owners, and I think how there are

1381
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 2: at times accused and rightfully so, of protecting their own

1382
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 2: and so, I I don't know. I wonder how much

1383
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 2: that might be in play here. Perhaps that's not so

1384
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 2: much of a legal question, but maybe more of a

1385
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: moral one. Awesome stuff as always, Well, we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 11: Thanks.

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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: That's our legal expert, attorney Stuart W. Penrose from the

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: Manilo Law Group. You can learn more at Manilolawgroup dot com.

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Speaker 2: It's fourteen minutes away from five o'clock five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. It is and will continue to be my

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Speaker 2: sincere hope that on this show, which is one hundred

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: percent about fun and games, we never have to talk

1393
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: about the Epstein Files. I'll let my friends down the

1394
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: hall either talk about that or go out of their

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: way to not talk about that. They can know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. It's thirteen away from five o'clock. I will

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Speaker 2: take the bait offered by the dude who covers the

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Speaker 2: This report is the NHL. They're in New Jersey tonight

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: take on the Devils. Jackets have won five straight and

1412
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: nine out of ten. Also at the Radio State the

1413
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: other day, a box showed up addressed to me. There

1414
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: was no return address on that, and there are a

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: pair of Columbus Blue Jackets size elevens, which is my

1416
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: size slides. I have no idea who sent them to me,

1417
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 2: no remote idea who's and they're they're from like the

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: NHL shop like fanatics, So whoever sent me the Columbus

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01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: Blue Jackets branded slides, thank you, Thank you so much.

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01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: I've asked people in my life like did you randomly?

1421
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm an extraordinarily casual Blue Jackets fan, although I have

1422
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 2: decided I'm going to be like the uber into the

1423
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: Olympics guy this year, and thus uber into Olympic Hockey guy,

1424
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: because Olympic hockey is really fun and we got a

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: taste of it with the Four Nations tournament last year,

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: which was heightened by the geopolitical nonsense that's almost a

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: part of our daily lives. But I'm gonna be super

1428
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: into it. But I am a very very casual Blue

1429
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 2: Jackets fan someone and I've asked people in my life like,

1430
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: did you randomly decide to send to work a pair

1431
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: of Columbus Blue Jackets slides shower shoes. I'm not a

1432
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: big like sandals shower shoes slides guy because I don't

1433
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: think anybody wants to look at my feet, but I'll

1434
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 2: wear them around the pool, so whoever, and they got

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01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: my size right, So whoever sent them to me, thank you.

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 2: This is the second time this has happened, maybe I

1437
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe ten years ago. I wrote a blog

1438
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: post about it back when I used to do blogs.

1439
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: Someone sent me two ud hats and that was an

1440
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: anonymous note and it said I think it was like,

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 2: take that butter off your head and wear these. I

1442
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: don't really know what that means. Really nice Dayton hats,

1443
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: and they there was like a packing slip or something.

1444
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: They had come from the ud bookstore. Really nice hats,

1445
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: but whoever wrote the note did not sign them. There

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01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 2: was no return address. And there have been times like

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: working here where I've been like in our mail area

1448
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: which doubles as the kitchen in this setup, and I'll

1449
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: see packages and I'm like, I don't know if I

1450
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 2: was Scott Sloan if I would open that, or I

1451
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 2: don't know if I was Lance McCallister or if I

1452
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 2: would open that. I've yet to get one of those.

1453
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got some blue jackets, So thank you

1454
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: whoever sent it. I don't know what I did to

1455
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: deserve to get them, but thanks I'll wear them. I

1456
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: don't know how you knew what my shoe size is,

1457
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: but I'm a little bit creeped out by that, but thanks.

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Speaker 11: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Some of the things really quickly here you'll hear are

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Speaker 2: Uhaneo Suarez and Nick kra coming up right around five

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Speaker 2: point forty. A few headlines that we did not get

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Speaker 2: to get to because we had our guys Stewart on.

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Speaker 2: Troy Waltz is the Bengals wide receivers coach has told

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 2: the Bears no in their quest for an offensive coordinator.

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01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: Domotaw peco is going to be the Steelers defensive line coach, which, look,

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: dude wants to be a coach in the NFL. That

1467
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Speaker 2: position isn't open with the Bengals, so go do what

1468
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 2: you gotta do. Domata College troops. Tonight, Xavier is on

1469
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 2: the road against Yukon. Had the awesome the Musketeers did

1470
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 2: come from behind win on Saturday over to Paul with

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: the Philip borvichin in shot to win the game. Significantly

1472
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: tougher task tonight in Hartford. The Muskies lost by twenty

1473
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: three the last time they took on Dan Hurley's team.

1474
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 2: That game is tonight on seven hundred WLW. Miami looks

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01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 2: to stay unbeaten. They play a Buffalo Bulls team that

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01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: basically had them beaten in the first game at Mallett

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Speaker 2: or some call it Millet Hall. We'll see if the

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 2: RedHawks can get a road win over that team after

1479
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: beating them in overtime in the first tilt that game

1480
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: tonight in Buffalo, I jotted down six thirties tip off.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's accurate. Dayton's home tonight for Saint Bonaventure.

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01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: The Bonnie's haven't won at UD Arena in ten years.

1483
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: It's been twenty years since the Flyers had a five

1484
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: game losing streak. Something's got to give tonight at U

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Speaker 2: the Arena. And also this evening, Indiana's on the road

1486
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: against USC. Very good interview, I believe, with Jeane Sterator

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Speaker 2: gonna take the bait in just a second. And sometimes

1495
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: there is a world that you try to imagine that

1496
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: you simply cannot. I will make that make sense here

1497
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: in just a bit. You'll hear a u Haano Suarez

1498
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: and Nick Krawl from earlier today both spoke, Look, man,

1499
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: we were talking last hour. If if Gino didn't play

1500
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: for the Reds back in the day. It's fair to

1501
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: wonder if they ever would have re signed him, but

1502
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: who cares. This season is not that unlike last year.

1503
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: The limitations on the Reds offense last season were mainly

1504
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: a byproduct of Elie Dela Cruz not having a great year,

1505
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 2: the two hole production being terrible, and some other guys

1506
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: they were expecting to contribute not doing much of anything.

1507
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: Like this time last year, it was Matt McClain is back,

1508
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: cool etch it in Stone playing second, batting second, and

1509
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: that's what they did, and Matt McLain had a bad

1510
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: year last year. Austin and Tony have talked about this

1511
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: a lot. One of these storylines for this season is

1512
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: how long is the leash? Last year, it felt like

1513
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 2: the leash was really, really, really really long for Matt McLain,

1514
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: and then you got to a point where he was

1515
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: hitting eight. If he was hitting ninth, it no longer

1516
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: made sense for him to bat second. Maybe that's going

1517
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 2: to be noel ve Marte this year. We will see,

1518
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: but a Juhanio Suarez is back, and he gives them

1519
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 2: a dimension that it goes without saying they've badly needed. Yes,

1520
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: he is a one dimensional player. But it's cool because

1521
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: that one dimension they needed. But they need a lot

1522
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: of stuff to go right from guys who were here

1523
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: last year, Like I think of Noel ve Marte, who

1524
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: might be batting second now. Noelve Marte. I thought last

1525
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: season was an awesome story because he could not have

1526
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: been deeper in the doghouse during spring training. Remember early

1527
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 2: March last year, they sent him to minor league camp,

1528
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: not even really giving him a chance to make the team,

1529
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 2: and by the end of the season he was indispensable,

1530
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: made arguably the single most important defensive play of the

1531
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: entire season that last home game against the Pirates before

1532
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 2: they went to Milwaukee and won two out of three.

1533
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: It is still fair to wonder, defensively, if you're putting

1534
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: a premium on defense, could you do better than a

1535
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: converted third baseman playing right field. The Reds believe in him,

1536
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: he's got to deliver a payoff for their I don't

1537
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: want to say patience, but for them showing faith in him,

1538
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: which means a full month offensively, a full season offensively,

1539
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: I should say, and don't make them regret putting a

1540
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: third basement in right field, like not like a third

1541
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: baseman who had played some right field like a dude

1542
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 2: who had done nothing but basically play third base. And

1543
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: now we're sticking him in the outfield during a playoff push.

1544
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: They're showing a lot of faith in him. Will will

1545
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 2: will he will he reward them for that is? Is

1546
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: Matt McClain gonna have this sort of season the Reds

1547
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: were expecting last year, Like we're talking put up or

1548
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: shut up for a lot of guys, so to speak,

1549
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 2: because with McClain, you go, man, in twenty twenty three,

1550
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: he was so good. All right, that was three years ago.

1551
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: If we're going into twenty twenty seven talking about what

1552
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: he was in twenty twenty three, uh huh, ain't gonna work.

1553
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: Matt McClain has to get us to stop talking about

1554
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 2: Matt McLean even if he's not batting second, playing second.

1555
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,839
Speaker 2: This feels like it should be the Elie Dela Cruz

1556
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: leap year. Now you might have said, well, last year

1557
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: was supposed to be okay, little bit of a little

1558
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 2: bit of a pass because he was dealing with levels

1559
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: of physical discomfort that the Reds let him play through

1560
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: last season. So this year, say no to him. By

1561
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: the way, early sign they will not playing in the

1562
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic. That is good. I wish he was

1563
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: playing in the World Baseball Classic because World Baseball Classic

1564
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 2: is a cool event and it would be cooler if

1565
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 2: Ellie was in it. But his top priority is the Reds.

1566
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 2: They have the right to tell him no because he

1567
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: had an injury last year. They've told him no. That

1568
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: needs to continue. But dude is going to clear two

1569
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: thousand Big League plate appearances this year. This team still

1570
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: still is built around Ellie Delacruz. They may have made

1571
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Ellie Delacruz better by putting a guy behind him who

1572
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: could hit forty bombs, but that only really works if

1573
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Ellie takes advantage of the better protection. Can't put up

1574
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: numbers like last season and take advantage of the protection

1575
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: they're giving him. And to a large degree, the Sal

1576
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: Stewart thing has to really take off this year because

1577
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: this is the ideal set of circumstances. A Uhaneosuarez said's

1578
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: forty home runs and then he's almost expendable. Now if

1579
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: he hits forty home runs, maybe the Reds go. Dude, Gino,

1580
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 2: you're happy here? Do you want to take a chance

1581
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: on free agency? Want to try to hit forty more

1582
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 2: here this year. Who knows, but it's a mutual option,

1583
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: so Gino can say no at the end of the season.

1584
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: What would be awesome? And I know this is putting

1585
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 2: a lot on Sal Stewart. If sal Stewart hits thirty

1586
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: to thirty five this year, not like he didn't show

1587
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: some pop when he came up in September last season,

1588
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: that's that would be a major boost to this year's team.

1589
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Imagine this world? Ellie hits thirty doable,

1590
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 2: Sal hits thirty conceivable, Gino hits forty conceivable might be

1591
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: a little ambitious, but there's ae hundred home runs from

1592
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: three guys. Divide him up however you want. There's that

1593
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: world is not that hard to imagine. But yes, excitement

1594
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 2: for Gino. Everyone loves him. How do you not? But

1595
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: this really only takes off if dudes who were here

1596
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: last year are better, are healthier, play a full season,

1597
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: and don't do what Matt McClain did last year. Don't

1598
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: do what Christian and Karnasi and Strand did last year.

1599
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 2: Talk about a disappointment and nothing against the guy, But

1600
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: last year in February, folks were wondering like, could that

1601
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: be the power source? Could that be the guy that

1602
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: hits thirty? Dude was demoted by July fourth and then

1603
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: never heard from again. When's the last time you even

1604
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: said the name Christian and karnasion Strand. So the success

1605
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: of this year's team still mostly hinges on dudes who

1606
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: were here last year. That's a pretty obvious statement. More

1607
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 2: guys who were here last year than ginos Warez. Hopefully

1608
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 2: euhanios Warez being in the middle of the order makes

1609
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 2: it easier for some of these guys to be better

1610
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 2: than they were last season. Twelve after five o'clock, Kara,

1611
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: do you have the Vikings beat writer talking about Joe

1612
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 2: Burrow and the clip that has made its way through

1613
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals universe so to speak? Yes, go ahead play

1614
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: that audio for me.

1615
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 9: Odds of a Joe Burrow big name quarterback trade over

1616
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 9: under ten percent possibility? I like putting a percentage on

1617
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 9: it would be foolish on my part because it's it's

1618
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 9: It's like when I used to cover baseball, used to say,

1619
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 9: like why, you know, what were the why why didn't

1620
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 9: they trade that player? Well, what was available to trade?

1621
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,759
Speaker 9: So it's like, you know, as much as the Viking.

1622
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I've said this on the podcast before.

1623
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 9: If a player like Joe Burrow is available via trade,

1624
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 9: I expect the Vikings to do everything they possibly can

1625
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 9: to try to make that happen.

1626
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: It's more a question of.

1627
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 9: What is available, and how far you know what's available,

1628
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 9: and how far from a cost perspective is it going

1629
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 9: to take to get to the place at which it

1630
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 9: does become available.

1631
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: This should be the only time we ever address this.

1632
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: I will because it's made the rounds and my job

1633
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: is to spend time on what seems to be on

1634
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: people's mind, and this online at least, has been on

1635
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 2: people's mind. The Bengals aren't making Joe Burrow available, and

1636
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: if you believe I'm wrong about that, just ask why

1637
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 2: the Bengals would make Joe Burrow available. Joe Burrow is

1638
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: responsible for the greatest four year stretch arguably in the

1639
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 2: history of the franchise twenty eleven through twenty fifteen. Would

1640
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 2: have something to say about that. He is solely responsible,

1641
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: not solely, but mainly responsible, more than anybody else for

1642
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals going from completely irrelevant and folks not

1643
01:28:55,200 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 2: caring anymore to a total re brand, playing for a

1644
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: championship to mattering to being relevant, to selling a whole

1645
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: lot of tickets. He is in his prime. He's under

1646
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: contract for four more seasons, four more years. He is

1647
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: under contract. They're not in a position to rebuild. They're

1648
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: in a division that just swapped out coaches all three

1649
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 2: other teams. They've got an offense that doesn't need really

1650
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: anything beyond a bit player here and there. He's in

1651
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: an AFC which has not felt this wide open since

1652
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow became a pro. On what planet would it

1653
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 2: make any sense, even if you believe the Bengals thinking

1654
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 2: is warped, on what planet would it make any sense

1655
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: for them to make their meal ticket available? I mean,

1656
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: just say that out loud. On what plan it would

1657
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: it make any sense for them to make their meal

1658
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: ticket available?

1659
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 6: Uh?

1660
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 2: Alec lewis Bengals, not the Bengals. The Vikings beat writer

1661
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: for the Athletic is the guy you just heard there,

1662
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: and he handled that well and responsibly, and people have

1663
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 2: taken it and maybe done some irresponsible things. He's not

1664
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: saying the Vikings are gonna get Joe Burrow, Sorry, Terry.

1665
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 2: He's not saying that Joe Burrow is going to be

1666
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: made available? Is just of course, which team wouldn't be

1667
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 2: interested in Joe Burrow if he was available? You have

1668
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: like twenty five teams trying to push each other out

1669
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 2: of the way, and at the answer as well. You know,

1670
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 2: the twenty seven draft class gonna be a lot of quarterbacks.

1671
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 2: Stop stop understanding the somewhat crapshooting nature of the draft.

1672
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 2: Understanding that, boy, even some dudes who look like they

1673
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 2: were can't miss prospects, you simply don't know. You have

1674
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: a known variable at the most important position in all

1675
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 2: of sports, and that known variable is one of the

1676
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 2: best at what he does. You're you're going to trade

1677
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: that so you can draft to lesser known variable. Chances

1678
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: are is not as good to replace him. Come on,

1679
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 2: where is the world where they make Joe Burrow available?

1680
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 2: Until there's reason to believe that that world exists, we

1681
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 2: don't ever have to talk about this again. Sixteen minutes

1682
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Speaker 2: after five o'clock at Moeger on Twitter thanks to Delta Dental,

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1684
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Speaker 2: twenty five minutes. Good interview with a guy who's officiated

1685
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Speaker 2: a super Bowl on a bunch of NCAA tournament games

1686
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Speaker 2: and you watch on TV every week Gene's Territory.

1687
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Speaker 3: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: This was on Friday. I was invited in the folks

1703
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 2: at Elder High School. Always kind enough to invite me

1704
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: to their annual sports tag and the featured guest. The

1705
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 2: speaker this year was Jean's Territor, who's obviously the NFL

1706
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 2: rules analyst for CBS. Longtime NFL official worked at Super

1707
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 2: Bowl as last game was the Super Bowl, the Philly

1708
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Special Super Bowl where Philly beat New England. Longtime men's

1709
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 2: college basketball official officiated lots of NCAA tournament games. He

1710
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: was the featured speaker. He was awesome, and Gene was

1711
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 2: nice enough to make himself available for an interview, and

1712
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 2: the folks at Elder High School were kind enough to

1713
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 2: give me a room to kind of go into the

1714
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 2: back and sit down with him and make it happen.

1715
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 2: And so I'm deeply appreciative of both. I through no

1716
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 2: work of mine. This is more a reflection of the guest.

1717
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: I think this is a good conversation. I think you'll

1718
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 2: enjoy it. Here's my conversation with Jean's Territor. I want

1719
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,839
Speaker 2: you to tell me what a typical regular season Sunday

1720
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 2: game day is like for the rules analysts. Pull back

1721
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 2: the curtain for me. Yeah, Well, in the NFL, I

1722
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 2: can tell you it's a little unique.

1723
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 16: In my position, and I think with Dean Blandio Mike

1724
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 16: Prayer on the Fox side, they live in that same

1725
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 16: area that I do. One o'clock window on CBS five

1726
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 16: NFL games going on at the same time. So picture

1727
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 16: three different televisions that are attributed to each.

1728
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 2: Game, lined up on a big wall in a room.

1729
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 2: So you're looking at.

1730
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 16: About eighteen to twenty one forty five inch screens stacked

1731
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 16: on top of each other, and you're trying to navigate

1732
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 16: the games or seeing snaps. I have officials, retired officials,

1733
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 16: college officials in the studio working watching each an individual game.

1734
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 16: But truthfully, that one o'clock window with multiple games is

1735
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 16: trying to watch as many snaps as you can as

1736
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 16: they may go off differently than the previous game, to

1737
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 16: digest plays and then inevitably it happens.

1738
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 2: Right, Gene, there's a review in Cleveland, So.

1739
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 16: Immediately leave the huge wall of twenty one screens turned

1740
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 16: to the studio to the other three major screens, which

1741
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 16: is an EVS screen that I manipulate with an operator

1742
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 16: to be relooking at the player rewinding it naturally, the

1743
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 16: broadcast live feed, and then a feed that actually faces

1744
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 16: the referee who's probably in a review at that time,

1745
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 16: so for television's sake, you're not speaking over and you

1746
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 16: time things correctly, and then really you probably have fifteen

1747
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 16: to twenty seconds to try to dissect hopefully a couple

1748
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 16: of replays, get ready to go on air. Remember what

1749
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 16: city you're in, Know what announcers are on the game,

1750
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 16: if you're really on a roll, both players involved in

1751
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 16: the play, get their names right, Digest all of those

1752
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 16: things in that first ten seconds while you're watching two

1753
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 16: or three replays, and then hope to be able to

1754
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 16: digest enough by that point to get into the game live,

1755
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 16: be brought into that game, and then maybe speak to

1756
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 16: a replay or two prior to the referee making his announcement.

1757
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 2: What is it like? And I'm sure this has happened,

1758
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: though not that frequently. There's two replay issues at the

1759
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 2: same time at two separate games. Yeah, it's happened. It

1760
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 2: happens a little more frequently than you may believe.

1761
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 16: But in the event that that occurs, you don't get

1762
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 16: told while you're on live TV doing the first one,

1763
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 16: usually that hey, there's another review in the other game,

1764
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 16: but you can feel it, so you may hear from

1765
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 16: a producer either on location or my producer in REF studio,

1766
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 16: or there's a beautiful card that goes right up in

1767
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 16: front of your face that says, wrap this one up

1768
01:35:59,040 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 16: as quick as you can.

1769
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 2: So then you try to cut out of that.

1770
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 16: And then you literally morph into that next game as

1771
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 16: quickly as possible to doing all the things I just

1772
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 16: prefaced prior to that, and then hoping that you can

1773
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 16: get in to be at least some element of, you know,

1774
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 16: of making the production a little better.

1775
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 2: You in your role. You've got to be critical at times.

1776
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: You've got to be critical of men. You know, men

1777
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 2: you've worked with. You ever hear back from them? Yeah,

1778
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: and you know what, not really and and I don't.

1779
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 16: I mean, I know that how the social world works,

1780
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 16: right because Sterotor agrees with the refs all the time.

1781
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 16: He's a stamp for the NFL, and whatever they say

1782
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 16: he agrees with. That's really not the case. I would

1783
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 16: tell you I've never done the raw percentages. I bet

1784
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 16: it's an eighty twenty, you know, eighty percent of the

1785
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 16: time I'm watching the plays. I may not agree that

1786
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 16: it was really a quality kind of file for past interference, right,

1787
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 16: But by the book, it's pass interference, so you live

1788
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 16: in that world as well.

1789
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Hey, Geno, is that passive aference?

1790
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1791
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 16: It is?

1792
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 2: Uh? Is it something that you want called every play?

1793
01:36:58,680 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 13: Not?

1794
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 16: Probably not, But that's not your role all the time

1795
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 16: to do those. And I'll say this, just from being

1796
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 16: an official for so long, we've been criticized our whole

1797
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 16: lives from multiple places, right, I mean, coaches, ex officials,

1798
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 16: now analysts. A great official when they make mistakes, you

1799
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 16: own it. There are different opinions on plays. But when

1800
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 16: you miss one and miss one and look, it happens.

1801
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 16: And I've had it happen many times in basketball where

1802
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 16: you're work in one of the March Madness games and

1803
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 16: you just see a hit on the arm and the

1804
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 16: official missed it. If ball falls three feet short, hey,

1805
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 16: let's bring in gene yes, gene yes, Guys, he missed it.

1806
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 16: If he had the luxury to look at it two

1807
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 16: more times like I did, or his angle was a

1808
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 16: little better, I think there'd be a different decision on

1809
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 16: the play. I mean, I think there's something to be

1810
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 16: said for being transparent. You want to be credible, you

1811
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 16: want to offer insight, hopefully, but when it's a miss,

1812
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 16: it's a miss, and I think good officials understand.

1813
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: That where your role, I think his most beneficial is

1814
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 2: not so much they got it right, they got it wrong. Kid.

1815
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 2: Whether it's in men's college basketball or in the NFL,

1816
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 2: I like it when a rule is explained and I

1817
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 2: think it helps the viewer. Is there in the NFL

1818
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 2: in football? Is there a rule that you believe fans

1819
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 2: misunderstand or misinterpret more than the others.

1820
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 16: I think the most difficult thing we're all challenged with

1821
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 16: no pun intended right now in the NFL is the

1822
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,600
Speaker 16: subjectivity of when does it catch in?

1823
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 2: What is a catch?

1824
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 16: What is in a catch right, which ironically has paralleled

1825
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 16: my career since Calvin Johnson's play through, Des Bryant's play through,

1826
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 16: Zach Ertz's playing the Super Bowl, which was my last game,

1827
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 16: all of them had catches, And even in the last

1828
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 16: couple of weeks here, as we've watched and enjoyed the

1829
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 16: NFL postseason interception catch, no catch, those types of plays

1830
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 16: continue to fall through. I think analysts, me personally and

1831
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 16: my collective peers in these positions, the NFL needs to do.

1832
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 2: A little better job maybe in explaining some of that nuances.

1833
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 16: When does the possession of a foot pass become a

1834
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 16: legitimate catch and why as an upright receiver who possesses

1835
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 16: a football different than a player who possesses a football in.

1836
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 2: The air and when he lands on the ground starts

1837
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 2: to fall.

1838
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 16: And then I think, really from the officiating side of it,

1839
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 16: which I think is another conversation that needs to be

1840
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 16: taken place. And along with television, technology continues to grow

1841
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 16: and get better. We continue to have now two hundred

1842
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 16: frames a second instead of thirty two when I was

1843
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 16: a kid. Sometimes we're slowing these down so far that

1844
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 16: reality becomes distorted, and I think there's that window where

1845
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 16: we can all see freeze frames of all this was done,

1846
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 16: or they slowed it down so much it appeared he

1847
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 16: just had possession, when if you go back and watch

1848
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 16: it in real time, it wasn't even an eighth of

1849
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,679
Speaker 16: a second, right, So I think there's something that needs

1850
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 16: to be done there. Not for credibility's sake as much

1851
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 16: because I understand it. It's the conveying of it, not

1852
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 16: convincing the public about it, but maybe educating in a

1853
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 16: little more way. And that's digestible, right. The saying always

1854
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 16: has been if ninety nine people in the bar are

1855
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 16: looking at the play and tell you it's this, that

1856
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 16: it should be that. Okay, So whatever you do when

1857
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 16: you're framing or your analysis, it should still come out

1858
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 16: to that answer.

1859
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 2: That's the hope, And there's some challenges in that. You

1860
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 2: mentioned your last game was the Philly Special super Bowl, right,

1861
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 2: so this week is the Super Bowl. I've talked with

1862
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,600
Speaker 2: players and coaches about what it's like to be in

1863
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 2: that game. They'll say it's just another football game once

1864
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 2: it starts, but the week leading up to it as

1865
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 2: an official, is there anything different than you know, hey,

1866
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 2: it's Week nineteen Bengals at Browns. Yeah.

1867
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 16: The shock that in my case with the big Italian

1868
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 16: family funding twenty two tickets for the NFL and then

1869
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 16: realizing I had to work in an entire basketball season

1870
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 16: to pay for the tickets. But I just knock from

1871
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 16: my family along with their hotels and travel. Once that

1872
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 16: shock settled down. Now, listen and I appreciate what they say,

1873
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 16: and I think, sometimes, yes, it is just week nineteen,

1874
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 16: but that does happen. At least it didn't happen for

1875
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 16: me until we kicked the ball off. When the ball

1876
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 16: kicked off. We were back into the rhythms of what

1877
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:11,560
Speaker 16: it meant to referee, produce, manage, and navigate through a

1878
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 16: three hour NFL football game. That doesn't change pretty much

1879
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 16: for the sake of the game and the essence of

1880
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 16: what you do.

1881
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,799
Speaker 2: But I think you would be wrong to tell.

1882
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,719
Speaker 16: Yourself that it was just another game the week before

1883
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 16: when your crew got to that city that we all

1884
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 16: love to see.

1885
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 2: As this next week's coming.

1886
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 16: Up now Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, they're not normal Wednesdays

1887
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 16: through Saturday.

1888
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 2: Don't pretend they are.

1889
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 16: I always decided that it was best to let the

1890
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 16: crew know that feeling when we got to the super

1891
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 16: Bowl city that no, this isn't normal for these next

1892
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 16: three days. But within that moment, we still have to

1893
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 16: go through the processes that we were doing on Wednesday, Thursday,

1894
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 16: Friday when we were home zooming, doing our player team

1895
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:01,839
Speaker 16: tendencies or individual matchups, break down the playlist, the football

1896
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,959
Speaker 16: of what we were about to see, but also embracing

1897
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 16: the fact that look at your human one hundred and

1898
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 16: forty plus million people are going to watch this football game, right.

1899
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 16: I know at CBS we've been really fortunate. We broke

1900
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 16: the record for most viewership in a Thanksgiving game. This year,

1901
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 16: we had the most viewership for the Christmas Game, most

1902
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 16: viewership just last week for the AFC Championship. That's fifty million,

1903
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 16: the Super Bowls three times.

1904
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 2: That.

1905
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 16: You have to embrace the fact that if I do

1906
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 16: make a mistake in this game, there are one hundred

1907
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 16: and fifty million people that do care right as opposed

1908
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 16: to maybe a different week.

1909
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's a bad thing.

1910
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 16: I think that's just enhancing your level of awareness about

1911
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 16: what you're about to go into. It humbles you, but

1912
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 16: it also prepares you. So I don't think that you

1913
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 16: shy away from that and deny that.

1914
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 2: I have a few more. You've been awesome with your time.

1915
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 2: I hear people when they talk about the state of

1916
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 2: NFL officiating, and I think largely the concerns are overblown.

1917
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 2: But when people express hey, officiating needs to be better,

1918
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 2: go two solution as always make them full time employees.

1919
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Speaker 2: And my response to that is always like, all right,

1920
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 2: what's the job security? Right? If I missed a call them,

1921
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 2: I have out of a gig. So from your perspective,

1922
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 2: when you hear hey, make them full time employees. What

1923
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 2: do you say in response?

1924
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Speaker 16: I was an NFL official for fifteen years of my life,

1925
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 16: and as an NFL referee for thirteen of those years,

1926
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 16: I spent twenty to thirty hours a week preparing for

1927
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 16: next Sunday's game.

1928
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 2: I can't prepare any more. Full time or part time.

1929
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 2: That's what I did. I also did referee for call

1930
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 2: these basketball games during those weeks. That doesn't mean I

1931
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 2: wasn't preparing.

1932
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Speaker 16: It just meant that I was in a hotel somewhere

1933
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 16: at noon getting ready for Michigan State playing Indiana, and

1934
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 16: for three hours of that six hours prior to the

1935
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 16: basketball game, I was breaking film down. NFL officials collectively

1936
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 16: are putting that amount of time in every week through

1937
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 16: their zooms, through their preparations, through their study habits. You

1938
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 16: also can't get better at officiating unless you are seeing

1939
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 16: live action.

1940
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 2: The NFL doesn't play all year round.

1941
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 16: It's not like basketball where we can have full content

1942
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 16: tacked camps that simulate gameplay somewhat like we can in

1943
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 16: the basketball space where it kind of does navigate for

1944
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 16: ten months. I'm not a proponent of the full time either,

1945
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 16: because if you think about it, it would limit the

1946
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 16: amount of people that would go into it. When would

1947
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 16: you have to declare that you want to be an

1948
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 16: NFL ref right at twenty six, three years out of college,

1949
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 16: you got married at thirty, you're working major college football,

1950
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 16: aspiring to be and then they come calling, and now

1951
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 16: you have to give up the job that has the

1952
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 16: benefits and all of that, and as you said, the

1953
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:31,440
Speaker 16: job of security.

1954
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:35,679
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's the answer. I think there's

1955
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 2: a look, you got to get better.

1956
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 16: You got to make sure that you have a good

1957
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 16: foundation of a lot of major college football experience. I

1958
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 16: would think in most cases understanding there's always the exception.

1959
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 16: But just like the players, ninety percent of our players

1960
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 16: come from the Power five conferences, ninety percent of our

1961
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,560
Speaker 16: officials should probably come out of that same space. I

1962
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 16: hear all the time they should be younger, they should

1963
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 16: be able to run better. Don't ever forget that in

1964
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,560
Speaker 16: this business, experience is the most valuable.

1965
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 2: Tool you can ever have.

1966
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,759
Speaker 16: A young official getting in the NFL, and my humble opinion,

1967
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 16: should probably be in their late thirties. That means that

1968
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 16: they started too in their mid twenties and they went

1969
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 16: through the small college space into the major college space,

1970
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 16: build a foundation of experience and a lot of in

1971
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 16: game experience only to get to the platform at that

1972
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 16: next level, which quite frankly, I worked five.

1973
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 2: Years in the Big East.

1974
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 16: Through the Big East is heyday with Michael Vick Miami's resurgence.

1975
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 16: I thought I was prepped, and I was, I think,

1976
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 16: but I wasn't prepped for what I saw that next Sunday.

1977
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 16: That next year, what they did on Sundays looked like

1978
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 16: a different sport in some ways than what I just realized.

1979
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 16: I had worked for five years of major college So

1980
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 16: I think there's a lot to that. The scrutiny they're under,

1981
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 16: the technology, you're under the replays, assisting them and being

1982
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 16: a safety net on plays that maybe aren't forcing them

1983
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 16: to work at their craft at a higher level.

1984
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 2: Those are conversations for the future as a college basketball fan,

1985
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 2: and I'm lucky I sit up close working Cincinnati broadcast.

1986
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 2: But I love to watch the interplay between the coaches

1987
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 2: and the officials. It's got to be more fun than

1988
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,639
Speaker 2: the NFL guys, right, because there's more officials, there's more space.

1989
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 2: I think an NFL head coach just has a little

1990
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 2: bit more going on, so it walk me through maybe

1991
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 2: the differences in working the college basketball coaches in the NFL.

1992
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 16: I can look when people say, do you miss it collectively? No,

1993
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 16: I don't, because, as you know, traveling travel, you never

1994
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 16: miss sleep deprivation.

1995
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 2: You never miss your.

1996
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 16: Body aging and not being able to keep up with

1997
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 16: the next wave of young athletes.

1998
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 2: You don't miss. What I miss is what you just said.

1999
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 16: It's the in real game time, high intensity, high pressure

2000
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 16: management of personalities that are acting out of character with

2001
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 16: a high intensity level for the right reasons, not always

2002
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 16: diffusing it, but navigating it and managing not just that

2003
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 16: coach in that specific instance, but a lot of times

2004
01:46:57,439 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 16: players in real time. Look, when you get to the

2005
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 16: levels of UC basketball or NFL football, there's no fist

2006
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 16: bumping that goes on with res because they got to

2007
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 16: play right.

2008
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 2: You're supposed to get to play right.

2009
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:09,600
Speaker 16: The fun begins when you got to play right and

2010
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 16: the coach is treating you like you missed the biggest

2011
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 16: player in the world and you got it right, Like,

2012
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 16: how do you navigate that? That to me was the

2013
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 16: art of the game. That's what I missed, That's what

2014
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 16: I loved. That's what I will never never not love

2015
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 16: about what I did. The difference in basketball, and you're right,

2016
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 16: the proximities are so tight they can get to you

2017
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 16: much quicker.

2018
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 2: In hoops, they were wild and knew they had a little.

2019
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 16: More leniency sometimes in college basketball than the NBA too,

2020
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 16: But in the NFL there was a lot of that

2021
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 16: happening with the players. So there's a lot happening on

2022
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:45,560
Speaker 16: that field that you don't get to see, but basketball

2023
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 16: is that closer proximity. I always mastered the art of

2024
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 16: putting my hand over my mouth when I had that conversation,

2025
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 16: for protection for what may come out of my mouth,

2026
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 16: and also for any good lip readers, which I am

2027
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 16: now because I'm a little at a heart of hearing

2028
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 16: at this point of my life. But I always protected

2029
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:04,719
Speaker 16: myself in that regard.

2030
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 2: But man, being at uc uh Mix said some things

2031
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 2: to me that I don't know that I would allow

2032
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 2: to happen if we were just in a regular setting

2033
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 2: like this. But on the court it was not only acceptable.

2034
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 16: Uh, you knew it was coming, so it was a

2035
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 16: great thing, and that we all knew that we all

2036
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 16: knew the playing field we were.

2037
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 2: On, so it was no surprise. I would always get

2038
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 2: a kick out of with him specifically, but others the

2039
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 2: three officials come out or by shaking hands or three

2040
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 2: minutes later it's you know you're getting dawcust one more

2041
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 2: because I've always wanted to ask somebody who's officiated to

2042
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 2: the highest level of this question.

2043
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 16: It's a simple one. Is there a such thing as

2044
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,799
Speaker 16: a make could call no? And there can't be because

2045
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 16: you go down the rabbit hole. Two wrongs never make

2046
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 16: a right. The only way you handle a miss which happened,

2047
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 16: they're going to continue to happen.

2048
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 2: It's an imperfect world. You own the miss.

2049
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 16: If you feel really good about where you are in

2050
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 16: your credit relationship, you get to that coach and you

2051
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 16: let him or her know I kicked this one. Okay,

2052
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 16: I can't go back, but we're not going to live

2053
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 16: in that space anymore. If you go down the rabbit hole,

2054
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 16: like man, we called a nickel dimer on this end

2055
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 16: of the court, we need to match it over there.

2056
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 16: You're playing with such fire right now that the game

2057
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 16: and yourself runs into a much different difficulty.

2058
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 2: If life were that way, we would be in a

2059
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:26,719
Speaker 2: much better space.

2060
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 16: Right.

2061
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but it has to end.

2062
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 16: Right at that point, and as a ref you hope

2063
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 16: that confronting that can put an end. I will also

2064
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,440
Speaker 16: tell you full transparency, it wasn't the best answer.

2065
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 2: Always for the coach.

2066
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 16: And three minutes later he still told you about to

2067
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 16: play you miss. Five minutes before, even though he promised

2068
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:49,679
Speaker 16: that he wouldn't, he still did.

2069
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 2: And that was okay too. All Right, there you go.

2070
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 2: Jean's territor CBS Sports, NFL and college football rules analysts

2071
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 2: more of the NFL than college, but you do occasionally

2072
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 2: him on a college broadcast. And I only know that

2073
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 2: because on Friday he told me, thanks to the folks

2074
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 2: at Elder High School for helping to make that happen.

2075
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 2: You'll hear a uhaneos Juarez and Nick Crawl next Cincinnati's

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: A little bit of slow traffic back from Fife for

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Speaker 6: road not seeing any substantial delays though in southbound seventy

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Speaker 6: five more construction work between Ronald Reagan Highway and the

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Speaker 2: This report, the man thought Jeans Territory was awesome. I

2087
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:54,640
Speaker 2: know a lot of folks don't like the rules analysts.

2088
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 2: I had sort of mixed feelings on the position itself,

2089
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,799
Speaker 2: and he does bat a thousand as a rules analyst,

2090
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 2: but I thought he was pretty insightful as to how

2091
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 2: the job works, the officiating stuff. We'll put the interview

2092
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio at Raneo Suarez was reintroduced today coming

2093
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: back to Cincinnati, a place where he became a fan favorite.

2094
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 2: Was an all star, put together some very good seasons

2095
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 2: in forty nine home runs in a season. That's how

2096
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 2: many he hit last year with the Diamondbacks and the Mariners.

2097
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 2: He's back in Cincinnati and he's excited to come back

2098
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 2: to a Reds team that's built. He believes to make

2099
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 2: a deep playoff run.

2100
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Speaker 17: I've been good right now. We look when I see

2101
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 17: the LINEO, we look very good. I can't wait to

2102
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 17: put ative everything together. And I faced this guy the

2103
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,559
Speaker 17: last couple of years and I see how how good

2104
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 17: they've been. They've been the stuff, the pitching stuff being great,

2105
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 17: and the offense has been there. I know they can speed.

2106
01:51:56,640 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 17: They played, they they they fast on the basin, they

2107
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 17: got a really good different and you know they they

2108
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 17: looking they're looking for something like like I am, and

2109
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Speaker 17: and they might be looking for for something different on me.

2110
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 17: And I'm here now to help the team, to help

2111
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Speaker 17: the line on now to be superhero, not to be

2112
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 17: a superhero, but be my my best version and put

2113
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 17: everything on the field, do my best, try to help

2114
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 17: the team win games.

2115
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 2: That's more important to me. So one of the storylines is,

2116
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, add pop right hit the ball out of

2117
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 2: the ballpark, but also give Ellie Dela Cruz an element

2118
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:36,719
Speaker 2: of protection that he didn't have last year. Here's Gino

2119
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 2: on how he believes he can help Elie specifically whatever

2120
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 2: he needs from me.

2121
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Speaker 5: I was there.

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Speaker 17: You know he has a talent, he knows what he

2123
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 17: can do on the field, right and and you know, I, uh,

2124
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 17: whatever he needed for me, I will help them. I

2125
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 17: know how how good he is and I and and

2126
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,640
Speaker 17: he might be helped me too a lot. And uh,

2127
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 17: like I say, I'm here to help the team win games,

2128
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 17: and uh and be the best version of the Cincinnati Reds.

2129
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 17: And and that cost to to be one of the

2130
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 17: guys who helped those junk kids, uh be better not

2131
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 17: only on the field, but off the field, you know,

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Speaker 17: a bit more strong mentally, because it's not just about physical,

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Speaker 17: it's more about mentally. You got to be strong here

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Speaker 17: and and and and that gonna help you be your

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Speaker 17: best version on the field. So I think whatever Eli

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Speaker 17: need to me already had, I already had tech from him.

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Speaker 17: And it's very happy. It's very good to have it.

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Speaker 17: And uh, I'll be there for him, for him, and

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Speaker 17: not only for him, for everybody on the on the

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Speaker 17: on this team.

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Speaker 15: Uh are you?

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Speaker 2: Hene As Lorez talking earlier today with the assembled local

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Speaker 2: baseball media. Meanwhile, Nick Crawl also talked today the president

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Speaker 2: of baseball operations for the Reds. Here he is being

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Speaker 2: asked about extending the budget to sign Geno. I guess,

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Speaker 2: did you guys have to extend your budget? Does this

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Speaker 2: all fall into what you guys had in mind of

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Speaker 2: spending in the off season when it started?

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Speaker 5: No, I mean this is this is more. We we

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Speaker 5: went to uh, we we went to ownership last week

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Speaker 5: and we talked to Bob and Phil and you know,

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Speaker 5: we said this is probably where it's going to go

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Speaker 5: and what we're going to need that would be above

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Speaker 5: and beyond our budget, and they they approved it, and

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Speaker 5: you know that it was you know, we're excited to

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Speaker 5: be able to do that and go get it.

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Speaker 2: We talked yesterday about the off season and how would

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Speaker 2: you grade it? How would you assess it? Would you

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Speaker 2: would you give it a an A? I give it

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Speaker 2: a be. I'd give it a be. I think in

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Speaker 2: an A would would have just involved more with the offense,

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Speaker 2: but the greatest higher for me than it would have

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Speaker 2: been had they acquired the equivalent of euhaneos Marez via trade.

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Speaker 2: Haven't given up a picture, which is good. Does Nick

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Speaker 2: Craw believe the off season was a success. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think we did did a lot of things that

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Speaker 5: we wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to accomplish.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, you're always trying to get better and no matter

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Speaker 5: what you're doing, so you're always looking for a way

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Speaker 5: in an angle to figure out how to improve your club.

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Speaker 2: There you go. By the way, yesterday, if you missed

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Speaker 2: Jeff Carr on the show, he was terrific. Reacting almost

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Speaker 2: instantly to the Uhanio Suarez news, I'm like, I keep

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Speaker 2: hitting on this because I think it's so important. Right

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Speaker 2: as fans, it's fun to obsess over trades, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's easier to wrap your brain around whether or not

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Speaker 2: a trade is good versus whether or not a free

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Speaker 2: agent signing is good. Who among us hasn't kicked around

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Speaker 2: hypothetical trades the very best part of this entire off season.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Reds aren't considered favorites in the NL Central

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't be. Maybe it is hard to imagine them

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Speaker 2: winning ninety five games and charging into the postseason as

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Speaker 2: the favorite in the National League. Very very fair. But

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Speaker 2: what I love most, and I think what we should

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Speaker 2: all love most about the Reds offseason is they have

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Speaker 2: added without subtracting. Now, there are players from last year's

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Speaker 2: team who aren't here anymore, but they have added to

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Speaker 2: this year's team without subtracting from what is easily their

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Speaker 2: greatest strength. By the way, somebody asked me in the

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Speaker 2: elevator today, like, well, can they clear some payroll now

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Speaker 2: by getting rid of Brady Singer. Brady Singer is not

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Speaker 2: the staff ace and if he is, something's gone very

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Speaker 2: very poorly. Brady Singer in the month of August last year.

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Speaker 2: If not for him, this team sinks. And if they

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Speaker 2: sink in August, they're not playing for anything in September.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually I judge starting rotations by you know, the

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Speaker 2: middle parts, the back end. A lot of teams have

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Speaker 2: staff aces. How many teams have a guy like Brady

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Speaker 2: Singer on the back end? The Reds do. That's good.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow on the show, our friend Evan Cohen from on

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Speaker 2: sportsman Like on ESPN Radio is going to join us.

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Speaker 2: So is Rick Broering talking Xavier and Nku Besball. The

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