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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of you.

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Speaker 1: It's a vocal minority, but a lot do want Howard

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Speaker 1: the minute Rudolph throws an in completion. Now, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: many of you are familiar with quick, brief and futile insertion.

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Speaker 1: But Howard never even took a snap in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: maybe that's a reach, but we never found out. We

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Speaker 1: never will. But now, Rudolph, he should play until Rogers

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Speaker 2: Rdolph can play. He can.

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Speaker 1: Every time he's been called upon, he's been at least decent.

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Speaker 1: That was the case yesterday and will be the case

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Speaker 1: But I would think you keep him out. I would

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Speaker 1: I think Rudolph is just as likely to win that

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. Say his name and he appears. Will Howard's

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Speaker 1: I'm already getting tweets right now. Howard can be a

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Speaker 1: not very accurate. Now, the reason you didn't see that

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Speaker 2: But they sure saw us flaws.

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Speaker 1: At the Combine and at his pro day because as

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Speaker 2: I know you like him. I know he's white. Did

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Speaker 1: I know you like him, but charisma doesn't convert third downs.

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Speaker 1: four o'clock, but he should be fired. He's an embarrassing

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Speaker 2: This is just your moment of clarity. I don't, oh,

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Speaker 5: Hello, Mark, I got.

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Speaker 2: Two, I got two questions in a statement for you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, who do you think is the alpha of the

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 2: Who do you think is leading this Steelers offense, defense

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Speaker 1: I think their leadership's week. If it wasn't, if it

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Speaker 5: What up?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 8: How does it feel like you to be consistently wrong?

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Speaker 1: Goodbye to be consider I should have kept them money

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Speaker 1: because this is not really wrong about coach Tomlin. Call

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Speaker 1: have let you keep talking. I'm not wrong about him.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't won a playoff game in seven years. He

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Speaker 1: if you want to celebrate because they beat Cincinnati at

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Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, Mark, thanks for taking my call at TJ

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Speaker 8: Watt paying them all this money, and I didn't see

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Speaker 2: I don't think he was a no show. I think

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Speaker 1: I think that Dougger picked six was set up by

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to criticize what that much for yesterday.

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Speaker 1: making forty one million dollars worth of impact and didn't yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I don't see how anybody could help but agree with that.

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Speaker 8: Do you think Herbig is a little more willing to

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Speaker 1: I think TJ. Watt would rather be comfortable to be successful.

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Speaker 1: I think he would rather do what he's always done

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Speaker 1: than take a chance on failing via experimentation, but could

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Speaker 1: also lead to more success via experimentation. I think TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt is a creature of habit, and it's become a

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Speaker 8: Well said, thanks, Mark, of course it was.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Joe in the truck.

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Speaker 8: Joe, Hey, Mark, how you doing great?

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Speaker 5: I want to make a prediction. Okay, I predict. I

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Speaker 5: predict Mason Rudolph will run.

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Speaker 6: The table.

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Speaker 8: And win the last seven games.

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Speaker 1: He just won't do that. He won't play the last

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Speaker 1: seven games. As soon as Rogers is healthy, he goes

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Speaker 8: Well, and then I don't know if they'll win a

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Speaker 5: But then next year.

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Speaker 1: Coach t will trade most Mason Rudolph to clem him

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Speaker 1: for Shador Sanders and give him twenty million a year. Now,

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Speaker 1: was your goal to just be really stupid? Because you've

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Speaker 1: Funny, you weren't. No, that's just stupid. You're stupid. Never

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Speaker 6: Dave us one six six.

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Speaker 4: What up?

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Speaker 5: Bro?

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Speaker 6: Man? Hey? Did you see that Garrett had another four

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But they lost. I feel you.

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Speaker 2: Is this the same Carson from Twitter in most depths?

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Speaker 1: Mark, Okay, you're blocked on Twitter. You're blocked here f

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Speaker 1: and now we got Doc medicch calling back. I said

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Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, great show.

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Speaker 1: of the way first, how many times has Orlando Brown

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Speaker 5: It was almost every pass snap. I mean, it made

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Speaker 1: What was your take on Mason Rudolph's game and how

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Speaker 5: I think that's a perfect way to say it, maintain

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Speaker 5: Now we have to talk about how bad the Bengals

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Speaker 5: You know, when Rogers was in there, when Rudolph was

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you where I think he's better than

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Speaker 1: I think Rogers has been bailing out on a lot

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Speaker 5: as you know, like offensive lineman will tell you, I

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Speaker 5: really like to know where my quarterback is at so

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Speaker 1: How many boneheads are gonna want Will Howard to go

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Speaker 5: It's Hey, I'm rooting for Will Howard. I hope he's

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that Rogers benefits by not playing for

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Speaker 2: I thought he looked like he was running out of gas.

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Speaker 1: And I said before the season, if Rudolph has to

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Speaker 5: It's interesting you said that because I brought that up

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Speaker 5: it's not a bad thing for him, Like it's not

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Speaker 1: Why has Duger been such a great fit right away?

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Speaker 5: And when the daya trade went through, I did a

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Speaker 5: By no means, am I saying that, you know he's

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Speaker 5: better than Elliott, but I would keep dugger around. I'd

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Speaker 5: love to see them extend him and just see what

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Speaker 5: happens with the safety situation, you know, going forward, even

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Speaker 5: when Elliott's healthy.

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Speaker 1: You know what does worry me though, like when guys

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Speaker 1: do get healthy, like you said, because you got Slagh

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Speaker 1: injured as well, how do they realign the defense that backfield,

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Speaker 1: because part of me thinks they should just leave well

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Speaker 1: enough alone until it proves it's fading.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, especially at corner. Elliott's too good. Yeah a corner.

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Speaker 5: To me, Porter and Pierre are my outside guys and

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Speaker 5: echoes my slot all day long. And maybe I would

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Speaker 5: work Samuel in slowly, but Slay to me, would have

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Speaker 5: a hard time seeing the field. I really hope they don't.

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Speaker 2: To me, you'd have a hard time getting a helmet.

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Speaker 5: Yes, because he doesn't do any special teams either, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, right.

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Speaker 1: I just I think Elliott, you know, coming back would

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Speaker 1: give them possibilities. Although him and Doug are really do

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Speaker 1: the same job, don't they. They do, they do.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, maybe you could make Ramsey a little

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Speaker 5: bit more slot oriented. I don't that's a good problem

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Speaker 5: to have. He getting slig back in the mix is

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Speaker 5: not a good problem to have. You know.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to our football guru, Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Matt brought to us by the Steelers Pro Shop Shop

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Speaker 1: dot Steelers dot com. Matt, I think the way they've

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Speaker 1: used the tight ends has been horrific considering the promise

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Speaker 1: that room had. But I gotta tell you, Darnell Washington,

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Speaker 1: he just don't go backwards. That thirty one yard reception,

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Speaker 1: the stiff arms, the sheer bulk. That that delivers a

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Speaker 1: message mid game.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it.

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Speaker 7: Dude?

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Speaker 5: He looks like Andre the Giant out there. I mean,

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Speaker 5: people just bounce off of him. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 5: remarkable player. And this is not documented, but it is

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Speaker 5: a fact. He is the largest eligible receiver in NFL history.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's well over three hundred pounds. I don't

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Speaker 5: care what the media guy tells you, and.

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Speaker 1: No, Madi way his whole life, he's definitely lying.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah. I mean you walk next to him at

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Speaker 5: the facility and it is wow, who is that guy?

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Speaker 5: And I mean back the other thing he said, though,

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Speaker 5: I do think they've missman as a tight end position massively.

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Speaker 5: And here's a weird thing I dug up just in

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Speaker 5: the last twenty four hours. So when they had three

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Speaker 5: receivers on the field and one tight end, Washington was

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Speaker 5: out there for about eighty percent of those snaps. He

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Speaker 5: was the single tight end. But when they had two

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Speaker 5: tight ends on the field, they took him off the

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Speaker 5: field and he was only out there for about a

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Speaker 5: third of those snaps. Like, if he's good enough to

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Speaker 5: be the single one, is he not good enough to

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Speaker 5: be the double one with Friar, Mooth or Smith?

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I'm still disappointed in Dk. You

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Speaker 1: had a couple opis. I thought one was shaky, one

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Speaker 1: was a definite call, and he just I don't know

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Speaker 1: whatever it is DK's been lacking.

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Speaker 2: He still hasn't got.

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Speaker 5: Right, and he the one thing I'll defend him on

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Speaker 5: is the lack of a number two receiver really hurts

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Speaker 5: him on a per route basis because he gets as

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Speaker 5: much attention as Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, and he's

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Speaker 5: not as good.

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Speaker 2: As this maybe more, maybe more consistently too.

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Speaker 5: Maybe more because he gets it all the time. Because

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Speaker 5: they don't fear the other receivers at all. I mean,

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Speaker 5: these defensive coordinators basically slap the other receivers in the face.

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Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, Roman Wilson was acting as

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Speaker 5: the two yesterday, but they still didn't throw the ball

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Speaker 5: that much. So here's the thing. I've said this for

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Speaker 5: twenty years since I've been in the media, that the

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Speaker 5: term number one receiver gets misused massively. There's not thirty

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Speaker 5: two of them. Frankly, there's ten or twelve, you know,

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Speaker 5: ceedee Lamb, I mean Chase Pickens. They're not pickings. I'm

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Speaker 5: sorry guys like that. Justin Jefferson and metcalf isn't one

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Speaker 5: of those ten or twelve. He's the Steelers number one.

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Speaker 5: He's a very good player. He's an A minus though

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Speaker 5: he's not a number one receiver that can just abuse

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Speaker 5: no matter what. To me, a number one receiver is

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Speaker 5: abuses man zone doubles week after week, and there's few

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Speaker 5: people walking the plan that can do it, and he's

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Speaker 5: not well on them. He's also not great to catch points.

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Speaker 1: No, no, like you talked about, he's not a combat

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Speaker 1: catch guy. What's your take on the running back situation? Now,

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Speaker 1: Warren got hurt, Gainwell came in. I thought Gainwell did okay,

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Speaker 1: But Warren was having a great day running the ball

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Speaker 1: and Gainwell I like him map, but he's more of

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Speaker 1: a pass catcher.

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Speaker 5: Right, yes, yeah, And I give him all the tread

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Speaker 5: in the world that there's been two games, this one

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Speaker 5: and the Vikings games in Dublin where he's been called

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Speaker 5: upon to be the bell cow, and in small samples

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Speaker 5: he's did done that really well. And so it's possible

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Speaker 5: now he wouldn't do that in seventeen games, But I'm

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Speaker 5: glad he's here, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's one thing that people underestimate, Matt. It applies

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Speaker 1: to Rudolph too. Backups who can step up and produce

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Speaker 1: when the situation calls, those are invaluable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. We saw a lot of that across the board yesterday,

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Speaker 5: on both sides of the ball. Right, So that's great,

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Speaker 5: Like Sawyer's turning into that guy great, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't leave them to be TJ. Watt, you know.

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of those examples I think as

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Speaker 5: a bigger reason they won the game. Who are we

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Speaker 5: talking about, oh Warren? There's one thing that makes because

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Speaker 5: I still think they should run the ball a higher

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Speaker 5: percentage of the time. Yeah, especially like the Chargers. You know,

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Speaker 5: the run defense of the Chargers is bad. The past

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Speaker 5: defense is good. They still didn't run the ball much.

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Speaker 5: And back to the Charger game because it's still pretty recent.

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Speaker 5: The fact that Warren played zero third down snaps is

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Speaker 5: just so dumb to me, you know, because not including

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Speaker 5: the Bengals game, but the three games previous, the Steelers

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Speaker 5: were converting fifteen percent of their third down attempts. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's horrific. That's like hard to do. So what do

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Speaker 5: they do on third downs? The most important down that

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Speaker 5: they're terrible at. They took their best player off the

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Speaker 5: field for the entire game against the Chargers, whether it's

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Speaker 5: third and one or third and twenty one. I don't

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Speaker 5: understand that at all.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on the Chicago game coming up? I'm

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Speaker 1: really not sure what to think of the Bears. I

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Speaker 1: think Caleb Williams is going to be real good, but

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Speaker 1: he's still a work in progress.

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Speaker 2: More good than bad, to be sure.

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Speaker 1: But they're seven to three on top of a very

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Speaker 1: tough division, and I'm still not sure what I make

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 5: I know me neither. I'm shocked at they're atop of

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Speaker 5: the division. I'm shocked at they're in the playoff hunt.

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Speaker 5: I looked at this season as boy, a successful year

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Speaker 5: for them would be, like, we know they have a coach,

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Speaker 5: and we know they have a quarterback, and those three

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Speaker 5: things are one hundred percent trough. I mean, Bears fans

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Speaker 5: think he's going to be the best quarterback they've ever had,

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Speaker 5: which is the lowest bar ever to jump over, and

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Speaker 5: they might be right. I mean, if they've had a

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Speaker 5: good quarterback my whole life. I they're a lot like

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Speaker 5: the Bengals in some ways, in some ways in very opposite,

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Speaker 5: but they're really really good on offense. I'm sure everything

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Speaker 5: they do this offseason will be to improve a bad defense,

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Speaker 5: but the defense at least takes the ball away a ton,

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Speaker 5: and for whatever reason, they've kind of had a horseshoe

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Speaker 5: up there butt late in games and have kind of

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Speaker 5: figured out or lucked into wins, but overall they're building

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Speaker 5: them well.

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Speaker 1: Finally, man, here's kind of an abstract question. What was

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Speaker 1: your take on the three calls for roughing the passer?

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Speaker 1: I hate the rule more than I hated those calls.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I would have to watch them again because I

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Speaker 5: didn't spend a ton of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought they were good calls within the context

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Speaker 1: of the rule, but they still protecting the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But the rule goes too far.

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Speaker 5: Their rule goes too far. I mean, it's just too

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Speaker 5: difficult on the defensive players. Yeah, I mean, I understand

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Speaker 5: the whole body weight thing, but I mean, to me,

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Speaker 5: that's a little too far too.

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Speaker 1: It's like I said, I was in an a peer

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Speaker 1: just and I said to somebody citing my pro wrestling background,

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Speaker 1: it's not like a soup plex where you can control

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Speaker 1: if the other guy's not in on it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you account for him, like shifting weight or whatever?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a that's a good way of putting it.

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Speaker 5: Two wrestling references here under the giant and the super

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Speaker 5: lay right, Like, hey, Flacco doesn't have to obey what

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Speaker 5: Watt wants him to do. You know, right, that's a

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Speaker 5: good way to pin that.

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Speaker 2: Matt, great stuff as always, We'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the football Man, Take care.

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