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Speaker 1: Man, it's the Moeger Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

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Speaker 1: not Moegar, I'm Austin. Mo is back tomorrow, but we

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Speaker 1: have a chance to talk to a regular on the

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Speaker 1: Moegar Show, our guy Paul Danner Junior from the Growler

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Speaker 1: podcast and the Athletic still in Arizona out covering the

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Speaker 1: NFL annual meetings. They're not the owners meetings. They're the

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Speaker 1: annual meetings, but they're actually the owners meetings. It's just

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Speaker 1: a lot of meetings. And Paul joins us now giving

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Speaker 1: us a couple of minutes. Hi, Paul, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Austin. Nobody likes anything more than meetings, right,

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Speaker 2: And it's just I kind of wish that, like Jerry

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Speaker 2: three days and be like, couldn't this have been an email?

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Speaker 3: No, it's always a to do. It's quite the to do.

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Speaker 2: Tons of media out here, all the luminaries that you might.

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Speaker 3: Come to expect.

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Speaker 2: It's quite the NFL show, and I was happy to

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Speaker 1: If you had to set the number, the over under

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Speaker 2: Look, they made money at some point they had an

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Speaker 2: assistant installed it. Okay, Okay, you're gonna you're gonna need this, okay, uh,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna have that in there in case I

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Speaker 1: So, Zach Taylor talked yesterday and didn't eat breakfast while

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Speaker 1: gone by. But what was Paul Daaner's biggest takeaway from

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Speaker 2: You know, I think I every single takeaway I have

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Speaker 2: this offseason goes back to what's your plan on defense?

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Speaker 2: We believe in who they started to become the second

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Speaker 2: Shaka Hayward got a name drop in the first ten

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Speaker 3: Going to They don't really have a choice.

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Speaker 2: I think you felt like he was he was saying,

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Speaker 2: we need a leap from these guys. These guys have

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Speaker 2: They basically chose to go the Jonathan Allen right in

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Like we can debate Knight and.

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Speaker 3: Looks like there's no depth behind them, right, Like what

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Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that their plan to help

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's about those around them. I absolutely,

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Speaker 3: But he's not one of those dudes.

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Speaker 2: And you know he's gonna be great for your locker

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Speaker 2: They said that she's it's not that she's not gonna talk,

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Speaker 2: Uh to talk to us in June as I make

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Speaker 3: Uh So, it's that's what they're choosing to do.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know if as long as she speaks,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a deal, okay.

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Speaker 2: It it kind of stinks for for those of us

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I think you're on something.

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Speaker 3: Send that email, write a letter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Last thing I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 2: He he's just kind of in those circles and he's like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is cool. I heard you guys say that,

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Speaker 1: to monitor down the line. Paul, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for the time. I know you're busy as a one

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Speaker 1: armed ballpaper hanger out there in Arizona. What you got,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a story up now on the sort

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Speaker 2: There'll be you know, there'll be mock drafts, There'll be

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Speaker 2: We're all in on it. I actually won one last

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Speaker 3: All of these people?

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Speaker 2: And and we came up with, there's actually a perfect

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Speaker 2: now for the Reuben Bayne Kant Seat one two opener.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, sign me up for Keante Scott.

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Speaker 2: Sacer Hayward's profile lands on June tenth.

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Speaker 1: Paul Danner Junior, thanks so much, man, appreciate.

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Speaker 3: It later, buddy, all right.

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Speaker 1: Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Paul.

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Speaker 3: That does it for me.

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Speaker 1: I've had fun this week filling in for mo a

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Speaker 1: three sixty tomorrow from noon to three with Tony Pike.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to that, and that'll be our first normal

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