WEBVTT - Scott Sloan -- 10/27/25 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.480 I'm as sick as you are. Bengals lose yesterday. We'll 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.240 get into that later on this morning on the Scott 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.280 Floan Show on seven hundred w ODA. But in the 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:11.040 meantime we know religion and politics that the line has 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:12.360 been blurred. It used to be two things that don't 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.440 talking about religion and politics. Then we started talking about it, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.840 and now those two things have come together and the 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.959 line is blurred. And when that happens, you tend to 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.200 not question the people who are doing the bidding for you. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.200 And you went up with the crisis and government that 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.120 we have not solely because of religion and politics and 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.680 all that. I'm not saying that at all, but it 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.280 certainly allows more will room and more cover to do 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.559 what you want, even though it may be in your 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.559 worst interest. Pat Hurley is an expert in logic and 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.159 word intersects with religion and how it's averted by authority. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.240 Doctor Hurley, Good morning, How are. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.800 You very good? Scott? 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.320 Thank you for having me on. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.159 You know, having gone to school and I here have 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.440 friends again. I'm taking logic this semester and everyone got 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.880 a bad grade in logic because it seemed like it 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.279 was oh this should be a pretty good course. You know, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.279 it'll be interesting, and it's really hard. Why is that 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:05.559 logic seems like it should be rather easy. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.360 Well, logic really involves something. You know, a lot of 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.080 college courses these days you all to sit back, take 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.560 it easy, but you actually have to learn something. You know, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.760 sign up for a logic for it. There's a genuine 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:20.720 material there. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:21.039 You know. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.280 You can't just simply through it. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.080 Well, maybe I just had to surround myself with dumb friends. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:26.720 I'm guilty. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:27.319 Uh. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.480 The thing is, today especially people believe things merely because 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.640 they want to believe them. We put all our prejudices, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.400 We have all those prejudices in our mind because we 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.760 can't put that aside and go okay, let's let me 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.679 think about this from a factual standpoint, and. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.800 We have we lost our ability to do that. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.840 Or maybe this is me being old, doctor Hurley, is 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.480 that maybe we were just never good at it to 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:50.520 begin with, what's the truth? 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.320 Well, it is something that you have to commit yourself too. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.040 And going back to what you start, what you said 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.000 at the beginning. I do think that there is a 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.360 decline in critical thinking nowadays, and I think this is 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.320 suggested by at least two things. One is the growth 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.120 of these unfounded conspiracy theories. They seem to be coming 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.040 out of a woodwork and to the person who believes them, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.440 and they look like beautiful structures, you know, gorgeous castles, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.000 but they're castles in the air and they're not supported 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.920 by anything. And then the second thing I think is, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.320 as you said, people seem to believe anything they want 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.280 these days. They believe anything they read on the internet, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.680 anything they hear on TV. And I think the problem 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.360 in both cases is a lack of evidence. There's no 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.880 evidence to support these things. So what's worse? People think 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.880 that evidence is not necessary. I just believe anything that 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.760 you want. But critical thinking mean supporting your views and 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.600 believes with evidence. And you might wonder, you know, what 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.400 is the cause of this? Well, they have many causes, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:57.440 you know, lack of familiar familiarity with logic if I 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.720 picked up logick cook and steady maybe sometimes, But I 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.840 think religion plays a role in this. Religion blade plays 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.280 a big role in practically everything when many people think 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:09.840 and believe. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.400 And I know it's kind of different things, but I 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.160 think you can be you know, scientific and critical, but 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.840 also be a firm believer in God. Those two things 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.120 are mutually exclusive, are they? 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.799 I think he can for the couples a lot of 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.120 people who are not doing it. You may recall that 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.720 story of the doubting Thomas from the Gospel of John. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.080 Trained as a Christian anyway, and. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.520 The way the story went, the apostle Thomas was present 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.000 with the other apostles and who were telling the story 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.000 that Jesus had risen from the dead, and Thomas said, no, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.360 I'm not going to believe it until I put my 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.360 fingers into the wounds in his hands and my hand 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.360 into the wound in his side. And he just wasn't 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.440 going to have anything to do with it. But then 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.240 miraculously Jesus showed up he apparently allowed him to do that, 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.680 and then he became a believer. Well, the point of 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.800 this story, I think is that it's better to believe 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.600 without having evidence. There's something holy about believing without evidence. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:09.520 Uh. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.800 Religious religious belief brings higher kinds of truth, a higher 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.560 kind of knowledge about God and related things. And there's 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.800 another another problem I think that goes with this. Faith 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.159 of course means belief without evidence, and faith play plays 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.080 a big role in many people's religious fact every religion. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.039 But then there are books like the Bible and the 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.200 Torah and the Kloran, and people believe that these things 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.960 contain the absolute final truths about everything. If you can 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.159 find it in the Bible, there you in your need. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.520 But the problem is the Bible hasn't been found to 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.480 be wrong about hundreds of things, and people don't look 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.240 at that. So this is sometimes called the fallacy of 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.359 the perfect dictionary. You want to know the meaning of 0:04:55.360 --> 0:05:00.839 a word, you want to know where some about something 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.920 came from it. If it's in the Bible, that's all 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.720 you need to do, and the same thing for the 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.360 for the Quran and the Taurus. But I would argue 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.080 that there's absolutely no book anywhere that contains every single truth. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.159 But people don't don't recognize this, and they carry this maximum. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.120 You know, if it's in the Bible or some other sort, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.080 that's all you need, and they carry it into politics 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.479 in ordinary life and some political figure, some guru you know, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.240 comes out and says something that's it. You don't need 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.720 to even think further about it. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.159 Right, Well, well, I think I think also part of 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.200 this Doctor Hurley too, Once you brought up at the 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:41.240 Bible is that it doesn't answer everything. But here's the 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.159 problem is you have this this sacred text, but it's 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.360 up to human interpretation. And so you can read a 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.680 passage from the Bible and for one religion it means 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.000 one thing, and for some other religion it means something else, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.400 which is why you have what over four thousand different 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.720 interpretations of of worship or a deity or whatever it 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.039 might be. And you're just hoping your guys, right, that's 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:02.839 basically what. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:07.159 That's That's absolutely true. But I think the cure for 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.800 this kind of thing is to educate yourself, you know, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.279 become a little bit more educated about what religion is 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:13.839 and where. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:14.480 It came from. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.320 And recently most of my writings are the fancy then 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.120 about logic, But recently. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.200 I wrote a book called Religion, Power and Illusion, Genealogy of. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.039 Religious Beliefs, and it offers an explanation for where religion 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.760 came from and why it is the way it is, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.240 and why do religious leaders have so much power? Why 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.880 does religion have rituals and festivals? Why is religion run 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.040 by priests? Who are people that I call priests? And 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.040 why is faith so important? And why does religion involve 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.360 where worship and sacrifice. So that's that's really the focus 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.520 of this book intended to explain things and doesn't just 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.039 throw mud at religion like many recent books to do, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.080 but it tries to give you reasons why you know 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.039 it is the way it is. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:58.760 Yeah. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.359 Yeah, Well, because you're going to have people exploiting religion 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.280 for their own benefit. I mean, I think of the televangelists, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.160 for example, the Prosperity Gospel. It's a nothing but multi 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.400 level marketing is what it is. It's a pyramid scheme 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.040 and your money floats to the top and you may 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.440 not have to give. Now that's your choice. And I 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.240 think the problem is a lot of this gets in 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.640 the way of understanding God and having that belief and 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.720 that faith, because we want people to interpret stuff for 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.840 us all the time, which is your point about logic 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.400 and religion. And this is why I'm talking to doctor 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.480 Pat Hurley this morning about this in the intersection of 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.440 those two things that when blended with politics, tends to 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.960 morph your worldview, and it's politicizing religion and vice versa, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.840 and that discourages critical thinking and promotes blind faith. And 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.560 you want that in religion. If you believe in one god, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.640 if you live in your God, whatever det that is. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.280 But that's really dangerous in politics. Was there time in 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.280 the world or in America when when we are much 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.000 better at being logical. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.320 Well, I think there was. And the problem is that 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.760 emotion seems to back most of the things that we 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.160 think nowadays, you know, and part of its religion get 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.680 to this sub polarization that we find when we find 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:10.160 in society emotion runs the rules of today and practically 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.760 in every case, if emotion competes with reason, emotion is 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.560 going to win. Unfortunately, that's that's the problem, you know. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.360 So I think if we just settled down, I think 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.600 for what we are doing, we may come back, you know, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.760 perhaps the earlier times where we thought through things a 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:34.440 little bit more thoroughly. But anyway, this book that I 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.760 that I have written traces religion back twelve thousand years 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.040 all the way to the Neolithic period, and that was 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.240 the time that people began the abandoned the hunter, gathered 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:45.080 our lifestyle and. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.440 They settle down in communities. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.960 To raise crops. And what happened at that time twelve 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.120 thousand years ago, there were some very clever spituals who 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.160 thought to themselves, wow, if I could figure out some 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.320 way of improving the cop yield, know, that would be 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.240 really popular among my group, right, And that's what they did. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:05.920 That's what they did. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:07.560 They have they that, you know, the. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.560 Seeds and the field and the rain and the sun 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:16.400 and the wind and the warm temperatures with gods, and 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.400 then they persuaded the people in the community that they 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.120 could communicate with those gods, they could bargain with those gods, 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.160 you know, for a better harvest. And that turned out 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.600 that the harvest was good. Well, of course, then the 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.160 people in the community rewarded these team these are shamans 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.960 I call them. I call them these a proto priests. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.839 This is where priests came from, rewarded them with all 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.800 kinds of power. They gave them wealth and control, social status, 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.760 good living conditions, madeing opportunities. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:45.560 And so on. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.880 And these were the first priests. And this pattern of 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.120 priests creating gods, you know, and then persuading the people 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.120 that they could bargain with those stuffs has continued for 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.240 twelve thousand years. And it's the very same thing. The 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:05.559 three seasons lives behind them. The main religions today Christianity, Judaism, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:10.000 and well, so people you know, would come to the 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.080 real if they would conclude that what I've said in 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.600 this book is correct, they would see religion in a 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.560 different life and they would see that maybe just because 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.040 it comes out of the mouth of some shama, it's 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.560 not a good reason to believe it. And just because 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.040 it comes out of the mouth of some political leader, again, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.840 it's not a good good reason to believe it. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.320 Is it just easier for us as human beings to 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.199 have someone go okay, they seem to have all the answers. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.719 I'm like, they're affiable, they have a charisma about them that. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:41.439 It's more important. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.880 And I think it's also part of the tribalism that 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.319 we've seen too talk talking about ancient history is obvious 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.760 believe that, you know, for a lot of people, it 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.439 seems more important to be part of the tribe than 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.640 it is to be independent. And go, well, wait a minute, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.120 now you're saying this, but this is true. Also, how 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.599 to these coincides? Because you don't want to be the 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.360 person challenging it's the Thompson gazelle, right, You want to 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.120 be the gazelle standing out near the pond. When the 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.240 rest of the pack is gone, because then the predator 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.400 is going to come and eat your head off. That's 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.640 a lot of what I think people think these days too. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.280 We're kind of seeing a reversion, you know. We're kind 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:14.440 of addressing into that, aren't we. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:16.600 Yes, I think we are. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:17.320 Uh. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.400 And this tribalism that you mentioned, of course goes back 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.040 tens of thousands of years of a pre historic time, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.080 and we're seeing, you know, a new eruption of this, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.480 brought on, I think by by the disparity that that 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.480 people have an interview, by the diversity of opinions, and 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.679 by the emotion and come to the surface. You're absolutely right, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.080 is the question of a survival and if you stick 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:50.920 your head out first, so be very careful, and they're 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:51.559 not careful. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:52.160 That's the thing. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.040 Critical thinking means being careful with what you believe. It 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.040 means having evidence to support your views. That's that's what 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.320 it is. People have to come back to that, they 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.000 have to abandon this tribalism that you see today and 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.240 and and come to see that it's important to speak 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.920 ahead on what you believe. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.920 Yeah, but unfortunately we have political leaders that don't espouse that. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.080 And I guess that's part of politics too. It sounds 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.640 like it's the shaman of old days and we've ascribed 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.760 that no out of political leaders on both sides of 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.120 the which is part of the screaming and pandering that 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.120 goes on, and that's that's not a good thing. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.840 How what role is education? Now? 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.880 You have worked for years and as an educator, as 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.240 a professor of logic, and you study this for a 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.559 long time, But is education is our educational system to 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.199 blame here too? 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:40.000 I think it is. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.240 I think in recent years we've seen a dumbing down 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.800 of the curriculums and that I think is really really unfortunate, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.000 and we teach all kinds of things that people uh 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.840 compared with basket weaving and snow and stuff. I think 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.680 in recent years this has come come to that a 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.079 lot of our courses thought in the university don't have 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:06.160 any content really to speak of. And that's that's really 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.120 really as a basis, I think there were a lot 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.679 of this and a lot of schools don't teach logic anymore, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.320 which is unfortunate. Project used to be one of the 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:18.000 seven liberal arts, you know, and uh, it's forgot be 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.280 where the liberal arts you know or all about. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.360 There's almost a conspiracy theory there right as they want 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:24.119 us dumb. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:31.319 It is onto something, but there's maybe a founded conspiracy 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.760 there is not unbounded. There's evidence. I think that what's happening, 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.920 you know, to our educational system in these days. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.560 So yeah, I mean I didn't really start thinking like 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.040 this until I was out of school, I think, which 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.240 is a sad indictment of my my education. Doctor Patrick 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.439 Curley on the show on seven hundred WLW, he taught 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.440 logic for a long time. It's always a hard class, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.240 but how to put your prejudices aside, like religion, power 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.640 and illusion, And I think it gives some context for 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.480 going through here. Typically politically in a mayor Okay, you know, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.880 we have about twenty percent of extremes and probably less 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.840 than that on both sides on the on the right 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.360 and on the left, and the rest of us kind 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.000 of just sit in the middle of the independent. Maybe 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.439 that's why maybe there's hope here. Something like I just 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.120 saw a new poll forty two percent of Americans consider 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.319 themselves independent, which would make them the large make us 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.000 I guess, the largest political party in the United States. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.080 So I think a lot of people are getting tired 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:23.280 of this. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.360 They are, and there are extremes on the right and 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.440 the left. An Aristotle that I think best, you know, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.400 in the middle stands virtue and the US just going 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.960 to the middle, and I think they may restore these 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.760 maybe the people who restore sanity in this situation, at 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.920 least I hope they do. I'm a little closer myself, so. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.680 Yeah, I kind of feel like this is maybe the 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.160 end of that. But I don't know. Maybe it's a 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.880 generational thing with baby boomers. I'm not sure, but doctor 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.760 Patrick Curley, Religion, Power and Illusion. Thanks again for the time, appreciate. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:56.800 It, Thank you very much. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.880 Take care. We've got to talk about the inevitable. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.320 The Bengal arguably one of the worst losses of all time, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.240 and that's saying a lot for this franchise. We also 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:09.080 have the thievery in front of Great American Ballpark. Now 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.400 only we get kicked in the crotch yesterday at Pekar. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.000 He got kicked in the crotch at gabp All in 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.200 the same day. We'll get to that right after news 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:25.240 Sloany on seven hundred WLW. iHeart Scott's blowing back on 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.960 seven hundred w LW lost the cover on this Monday morning, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:33.160 and hey, Monday morning, we're coming back just being in pain. Well, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.440 we got just absolutely shafted, got boned over the last 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.360 twenty four hours. I mean, first of all, you get 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.600 the Bengals and a horrific loss, and arguably, if you've 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.000 been a long suffering Bengals fan, this one that this 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.680 loss feels like it's among the worst. The other indignity 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.440 And Tom Brenneman just an hour agohead his dad on 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.160 Marty Brenneman, somebody stole the microphone from the brand spaky 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.520 new Marty Brenneman statue in front of Great American Ballpark, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.560 broke the mind microphone off. Like I don't know if 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.880 it's like the two guys still missing from the Louver heist. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.320 I'm not sure who's now now they're still in the 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.640 Brenneman statue pieces from Cincinnati. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:10.520 What's this world coming to? 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.680 I wonder if the Bengals defense had any to do 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.000 with guarding Marty statue. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.200 I'm not quite sure. I have to look. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.160 An investigation is forthcoming, as we'll roll, But what an 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.560 embarrassing loss if you invested your time the hell if 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.320 you went down to the stadium yesterday expecting a beatdown 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.600 and making it, you know, the Bengals rolling, they get 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.000 to even all as well and good. I can't imagine 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.520 how sick in your stomach and the pit of your 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.840 stomach he must feel, having invested all that time and 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.040 hope that this should be a lock. Right, you look 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.400 at the schedule and go, dah, there's no question about 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.840 Bengals got this. We look right past the Jets, and 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.160 you should have because the Jets are bad football. There's 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.520 a reason that they're well were until yesterday. It went seven. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.800 In addition to being bad, all their guys were hurt. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.760 You had one guy it bris Hall, that was it. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.680 You had a running back that's it, justin Fields was 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.920 terr You got benched. His quarterback rating was less than 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.960 sixty from the past two games, and you lost to 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:10.000 that guy. I mean, he put up some some really 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.720 good numbers, no interceptions, a touchdown, two hundred and forty 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.879 four yards. Fine, good enough to win. Good, But the 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.400 Bengals offense was just so much better. And I would 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.280 say that the play calling and of course the level 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.320 of talent on defense are the two big issues for 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.720 this football team, and there's a low looking past that. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:27.520 You know. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.480 Now, we got of that conversation where I think, go, okay, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.800 well you change your defensive coordinator. Well you know Shamar Stewart, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.639 it's going to take a well, well yeah, you're with 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:39.760 it on draft picks on defense, and I don't I 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.800 don't think that's I mean, you blame the defensive coordinator 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.560 arout Ol Golden, and I think that, you know, some 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.320 of Zach's play calling was certainly questionable, especially down the stretch, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.919 and that's fair, but that's not like, Okay, who do 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.040 we blame? Who's this on? Is to be the big question? 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:56.640 And I can't help but look at it, and there's 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.119 a core thing going on here, and that is the 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.920 fact that you know, they were mess around with contract 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.320 with Trey hendricks In and getting getting receivers under contract 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:05.800 and how are they going to get this done? And 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.639 then and really didn't do anything in the off season 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.920 to address the big concerns. As a matter of fact, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.800 they just stood pat with the guys they had because 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.200 they didn't want to spend the money. That's above Zach Taylor, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.280 that's above Al Golton, that's above the players on the field, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.439 that's front off of stuff. So we're back to that 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.560 conversation again, the ugly conversation that quite honestly, the Brown 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.960 family doesn't want us to have because now you're casting 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.800 dispersions on their ability to draft, on their ability to 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.919 run football operations. And that's what it's coming down to. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.480 I mean, explain to me if it's indeed a coaching 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.280 Oh wow, this is different. Just come coaching. They're not 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.120 going to fire Zach Taylor. He's been to the Super 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.760 Bowl of the Century, so he's good for another one 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.320 hundred years. You got rid of Loui Anrumo who went 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.760 to Indianapolis and how they do and they're what they're 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.720 seven to one, pretty good, pretty good football team. He's doing. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.320 His defense is pretty good. Right, that's the same guy 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.360 they ran out of town here. And so you bring 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.360 Al Golden while he's going to coach up the he's 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.600 gonna coach up these guys. Schmar is still he's gonna coach. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.960 He's got Shamar Stewart has been terrible. I mean he's 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.520 literally done nothing. And you could talk about the holdout, 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.160 you could talk about the ankle injury, and he missed 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.960 the Mond Okay, great, but if you have that god 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.280 given ability, you're gonna at least make some places, especially 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:19.160 against a horrible line like the Jets have nothing. At 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.000 some point you got to start looking above the coaching 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.280 and okay, well, these players are bad. Well why do 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.400 they have bad players? Why are they drafting poor players? 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.240 Why are they hitting on the wrong guys. It's a 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.720 fair question ask, and that falls squarely on the feet 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.280 of Duke Tobin and everyone else above him for that matter. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.919 Thirty nine thirty eight they lose yesterday. That's about as 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.920 embarrassing as it gets. I was thinking back in history 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.800 and I had to look it up. Last time they 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.679 one of the teams that really smoked him was like 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.600 twenty seven, nothing like fifteen years ago to the same 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.160 New York Jets team. Apparently the Jets have their number, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.720 but fortunately only play them every so often. 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:54.000 Oh my god. 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.240 It's just I don't know how you stood that didn't 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.000 leave that game yesterday not sick to your stomach. I 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.800 really really don't. That's embarrassing. And a team that's had 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.280 some really embarrassing losses, let's face it, you beat the 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.360 Pittsburgh Steelers. Defense was okay, it was good enough to win. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.440 But man, in this game yesterday though, it was It's 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.520 just inexplicable how poorly they played against the worst team 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.880 in the National Football League. You can go out again 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.600 in Sunday and they were, you know, nothing more desperate 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.520 than a winless team. I get all that stuff, but 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.320 they were so hurt, they were so decimated with injuries. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.800 They had one weapon they're running back, and he torched 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.080 it for like one hundred and thirty plus yards. Makes 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:33.879 no sense. You had one job. All you got to 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.320 do is stop that guy from running the ball, and 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:37.840 they were running the ball in the fourth quarter to 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.240 show you how confident they were. M really makes you 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.560 want to rip your head out, or your your head off, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.320 or maybe your hair out. Maybe your head and your hair. 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:46.240 That's that bad. We're done. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.480 We're beyond ripping hair out. We're ripping our own heads 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:49.160 off right now? 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:51.080 All right? 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.240 What else is going on in this world of ours? 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.399 I hate to start it with such a downer. Always 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.240 try to look something positive on Monday morning. I don't 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.600 know how many of those those things are going on. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:02.800 Later on in the show, We're going to get ten 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.480 oh seven this morning. Kurt Ribers on from Freestore Food Bank. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.320 We are now in the stage of the shutdown where 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:10.920 you're starting to feel its effects. You know, in the 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.320 early stages, first couple of weeks, for first two three 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.360 weeks in this thing, it's all theater. And I said that, look, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.240 this is you know, when you're closing national parks and 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.439 not cutting grass and picking up trash, and you know 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.480 you're still doing construction on the White House. Army Navy 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.919 football game is tell you the service academies that are 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.080 doing what they we're paying soldiers. Okay, all, well, I'm good. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.040 The first few weeks of this thing is theater. Then 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.400 you know, federal employees, okay, we're not getting a pay 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.360 check office start and it's like, okay, get a little 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.400 more serious, but still not that serious. Now you're talking 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.040 about snap benefits and stuff and people not eating. That's 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:44.359 a different story. And we'll see what happens on Saturday 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.360 if they can't find the money to keep people fed 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:48.800 in this country, I mean, think of it. We are 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.000 collectively a nation of largely fat bastards. We have more 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.080 food than we can possibly eat. We throw more food 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.440 out than most nations can produce, and at the same 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.960 time we have hungry people. You don't have to be 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.200 a diet in the world, progressive liberal, handwringing, tree hugging 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.879 democrat to not feel for your fellow man, especially if 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:09.240 you're I would say, if you're a Christian, do you 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.199 look at that and go that's that's horrific. But that 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.280 is part and parcel for what we're talking about. With 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.840 a government that only cares about their party, you know 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.119 you think they both care, they care about people. Now, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.760 this is putting party over politics. And when we have 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.320 a shutdown that continues to plot along. When you get 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.080 to that thirty day mark, and there's a reason why 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.159 this is the second longest in history. The longest was 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.000 thirty five days, and thirty five days about the breaking 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:34.600 point where they say, okay, we got a we got 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.080 said this very well. Maybe what happens Saturday, if we 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.320 get to that point, might be the wake up call 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.200 for this to change. But once you get past thirty 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.120 days and it goes from theater into reality, and we'll 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.560 see that on Saturday with the with the snap cuts, 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.440 and both sides are just so dug in because of 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.760 the events. They're winning the political and pr battle. That's 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.639 all it is. They just look at their internals, They 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.600 look at their poll and go, oh, there our supporters. 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.119 There are one hundred percent with us year. They want 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.320 us to continue this fight. Well great, But in the meantime, 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:07.280 don't like normal people, regular people, friends, family members, co workers, neighbors. 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:11.200 Don't they get squeezed out? You know the idea that 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.879 I understand that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.879 they also tend to die of very slow death. You know, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.040 the idea that the people getting snap benefits are like 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.240 a bunch of welfare queens and kings that simply sit around, 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.440 exist on government benefits and don't produce anything. The Ball 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.400 and Kurtil talk about this after ten o'clock. The bulk 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.480 of people or on that are actually working people and 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.760 working families, folks who are working multiple jobs that still 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.200 can't keep their head above water. That's an indictment of 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.800 our system for sure. Dems think Republicans are going to 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.320 shoulder the blame because they run washing and Trump dominates. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.720 The political sphaesots all on them. The only thing that 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.040 they're above water on the Democrats talk about a you 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.720 think Republicans are messed up, that Democrats are horrible. The 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.359 only issue that they're upside on the right side on 0:23:57.440 --> 0:23:59.280 them is healthcare. In the eyes of the American people, 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.400 all the pulling them indicate that Republicans win pretty every 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.520 major character, education, defense, you name it. But healthcare that's 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.880 the one area where Democrats are winning on. And this 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.280 is about subsidy to try and carry things on for 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:15.840 people through the first of the year up ti the 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.200 first year. We don't know what's going to happen with 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.840 an Affordable Care Act, which is of course just another 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.040 money shift, and no one will address the root issue 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.560 with this. No one wants to have a good faith conversation. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.040 You have to have trust. No one trusts each other, 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:30.800 and so they'll look at their internal numbers to look 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.479 at their supporters. And meanwhile, if you know, if you're 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.520 a political kool aid drinker, you love that because your 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.000 side is winning, quote unquote winning. We're winning. We're winning 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.200 this one. We're winning, We're winning. Don't back down. You 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.280 got to win, stand and fight. And of course they'll 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.800 send out appeals asking you for your money so they 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.080 can continue that fight. But in the meantime, I think 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.800 the middle part of us, the electorate, looks at it going. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.280 Who's benefiting from people starving or not getting their snap benefits. 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.600 I don't want to see more people snap benefits. I 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.200 want to see left. I want to see people work 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.560 and buy their own food. But because the way they've 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.480 structured the system, the way the system is set up 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.600 right now, it's hard for a lot of people to 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:06.879 do that, and they get caught in the middle. I 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.760 think you can be compact, you can be a conservative, 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:10.480 and you can be compassionate about that too, and I 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.840 don't so hopefully maybe we can fill that gap with 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.160 the free store food bank. And like Annaway Kurt ribers 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.560 I mentioned coming up on the show at ten oh seven, 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.000 they caught half of them out of the four thieves 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.640 that used a ladder and a vehicle mounted the lift 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:28.879 to break into the louver in the Apollo Gallery. Last 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.200 week they have caught two of the four suspects of 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.200 the four thieves, one of them at least is trying 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.040 to flee the country. After the Crown jewel heust in France, 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.800 they still eight pieces of royal jewelry, necklaces, earrings, brooches. 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:47.120 The brooches and belonged to Napoleon's wives and the French Royalty. 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.399 So the question now is, well, that means we can 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:51.600 recover this stuff, right? 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.439 I got that a. 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.119 Rabbit hole this weekend reading about this, it was fascinating 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.720 that if you still let's say they still painting. Well, 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.800 first of all, and the reason why they targeted jewels 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.280 is because there are motorcycles. You can put them inside 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.520 your coat and you can drive away trying to carry 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.640 you, you know, a giant trying to carry the I don't 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.360 know the bone elite though, may cause people to look 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.119 at you go, I don't know. Yeah, that looks kind 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:22.320 of familiar. Probably not the best idea. And plus was 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.960 stolen paintings, you can't it's hard to sell because thieves 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.199 can't show legal ownership. You know, there's no title to it, 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.879 like a car or house, and so you have to 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:32.600 sit at it for a long time, maybe end up 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.240 in you know, in a legitimate collection at some point 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.639 in the future, but not anytime soon. So stolen artwork 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:40.720 like that, I forget it. But jewelry a different story. 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.919 And they're saying that there's a ten percent chance, a 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:49.520 ten percent chance that this can be recovered. The experts 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.399 seem to think right now that the precious jewels, the 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.800 crown jewels that were stolen had been broken up in 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.879 the smaller gemstones, the metals had been melted down and 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.399 reshaped and sold to dealers who have no idea what 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:05.040 it is. And now, granted it's a fraction of the value, 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.240 because we were talking about one hundred million dollars is 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.600 what all these were worth. But guess what those gems 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.480 and that melted down gold and silver and all that 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:19.800 stuff still worth millions and millions of dollars. And so 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.119 maybe they said there's a ten percent chance I'll recover 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:22.520 this stuff. 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:23.240 That's incredible. 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.919 Also, about ninety percent nine and ten museum heights are 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.919 inside jobs, and this kind of feels like an inside 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.040 job if you watch it, if you followed it at all. 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:32.879 I did a little bit just because you know, art 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.040 heists and heists in general kind of fascinating. You know, 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.800 there's a Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen marathon on this WEEKND. 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:41.760 I kind of flipped around soft parts of that, thinking 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.920 that it's like the Louver, right, But most of it is, 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.760 you know, inside jobs, and most of it's stolen during 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.280 storage or transit, not the stuff that's in the display gallery, 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.200 which makes us even more compelling because actually brought broke 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.280 in and stole items that are on display. Because most 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.640 museums a lot of stuff. Museum, especially louve I think 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.920 something like ten percent of their objects are on display. 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.320 Ninety percent of the stuff is in storage somewhere, and 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.280 you think, okay, well, stealing it from storage is a 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.320 hell of a lot easier then stealing something on display. 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:13.840 But again they had I think a third or more 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.720 of the security cameras were down in that area, and 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.520 it was just a logistical nightmare and mess and certainly 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.040 makes the French government look incompetent and they don't need 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.760 any more help looking like that, Like I guess they're 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:27.359 I don't know, man, we may have to check the 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.600 lineage of the Bengals defense and maybe a connection to 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:30.040 France there. 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:30.720 I'm not quite sure. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.200 But nonetheless, they caught two of these individuals, one trying 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:35.639 to flee the country. But the idea they're going to 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:37.880 get the jewels back, according to the experts are saying 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.880 it's a ten percent chance that the stuff has already 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.440 melted down and already sold. For that matter, I mean, 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.600 I guess you could take I don't know, a bunch 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.080 of jewelry, break the stones off, have somebody split the 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.800 rocks down. Now you've got loose diamonds and emeralds and 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.920 rubies and sapphires and all those precious gemstones. And then 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.320 just take the metal that was holding it and melt 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.640 that down into what I don't know, but into maybe 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.000 a different form of jewelry. Doesn't take all that much work, 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.640 if you think about it. You just need some unscrupulous 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.960 jewelers to do that for you. And there's probably enough 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.800 money in it to find unscrupulous jewelers. So who knows, 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.760 maybe that next engagementing Dimary and Pennant whatever it might 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.040 be one of the French ground jewels. You know, if 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.080 you're getting engaged, can you buy the ring and say, 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.880 you know, I don't say this, but that was that 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.400 was one of the Napoleonic jewels are in there? Really, 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.640 I can't tell anybody. You can't tell anybody. But then again, 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.120 you better trust that person because they'll roll on you. 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.920 That's what they do. Eventually, they'll roll on you. It's 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.440 five point three seven four nine seven eight hundred the 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.160 Big One talkback iHeartRadio app on this Monday Morning with 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.640 Scott's Loan here on seven hundred WLW. 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.800 I want you got something back on seven hundred WW. 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.160 So starting Saturday, we're on the clock right now, about 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.240 forty two million low income people will not get their 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:57.320 SNAP that's a supplemental Nutrition Assistance program benefits unless Congress 0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.360 breaks the stalemate. Got to fund the government and hit 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:03.800 things back open. So as things stand right now, and 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:07.080 this is a very local concern, is that the big 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.240 beautiful Bill already cuts SNAP by like one hundred and 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.240 eighty six billion, which is the largest cut in history. 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.600 We're headed into winter and the holidays, which means demand 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.719 for services is going up. And right here in Sinsey, 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.720 the Free Store Food Bank is the largest emergency food 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.360 and service provider to children and families in all of 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:27.000 Cincinnati or Kentucky and southeast Indiana. They hand out over 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.320 fifty almost fifty million meals annually to low income people 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.600 and families. And the question is the strain that they're 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.640 going to face or maybe they're they're staying right now. 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.760 He is the CEO of the Free Store, and that's 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.160 Kurt ryber Back on the show this. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.560 Morning, How You Been, I'm Scot yourself. I'm doing well. 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:43.320 Thank you so much. 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.400 You know, the story kept coming out and okay, we've 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.680 got the government shutdown and now the snap benefits are 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.720 going to go away starting Saturday, and we know they're 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.160 already cuts to snap under the big beautiful bill, and 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.680 we know that the appeal starts. It's ongoing appeal. Of course, 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.960 it's year round, but seemingly around the holidays, right around 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.440 Thanksgiving and Chris us in winter months, there's more demand 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.400 for you guys as well. Are you starting to feel 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:05.200 the impact. 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:09.240 Yet, Well, we've always seen just based on their higher 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.480 growthery prices and the higher cost of living that we're 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.880 seeing right now due to inflation. Scott, we're seeing an increase. 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.520 Over the past two years. We've seen about a thirty 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:21.600 five percent increase in demand at our two markets, our 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.520 detailing market and our Liberty Street market, and then our 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:26.880 six hundred plus pantry that we serve in the twenty 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.840 counties served by the Free Star are letting us know 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:33.400 also that they're seeing increased demand. Typically, when kids go 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.360 back to school, we see the demand drop off a 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.000 little bit because eight out of ten kids are eligible 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.680 for free and reduced lunches, which is also going to 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.000 be impacted by this government shutdown as well. But I 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.120 think what we're seeing right now is that people were 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.560 living paycheck to paycheck during the pandemic, and that continues 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.680 because people have burned through those reserves, so they've been 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.000 relying on a freestore food bank and our sister food 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.520 banks across the country at a much higher level. 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.760 So we've got literally tens of thousands here in Cincinnati 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:08.040 that are potentially losing food assistants coming up. How are 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.000 you guys the freestore preparing for what could be a 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.720 massive influx of people who never used the food bank before. 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.239 Well, we've been reaching out to the federal employees, the 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:23.400 military families, the folks that have been impacted by the 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.880 furloughs and the layoffs, because we want to let them 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.520 know that we're available and we're there to help them 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.640 through this difficult, challenging time. We're looking right now as 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.920 to whether or not we're able to increase our food 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.760 distributions at least at our two markets, at our Betailor 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.600 market and our Literaty market to twice a month, typically 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.600 during the summer months when the kid drop from school, 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.840 we allow our neighbors to come and shop twice a month, 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:49.880 and then during the school year we had them shop 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.680 once a month. But we're looking right now to see 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.320 whether or not we have the resources and the capacity 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.000 to allow them to come and shop twice a month 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.280 at least until the government shutdown's resolved and staff benefits 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:03.160 we come to flow. 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.160 Yeah, so double the demand here and at least so 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.560 there's a capacity concerned here. Do you have enough food, 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.360 you have tech? Do you have enough volunteers and resources 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:11.880 to handle that? 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.720 Well? The volunteers, obviously, we can always use more volunteers. 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:20.160 I encourage folks to go to Freestorefoodbank dot org and uh, 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.960 you know, volunteer on our volunteer button. But also as 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:29.160 far as reserves and resources we have, you know, we 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.880 we've acted very you know, frugally, We've been good storages 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.520 of the resource we've gotten in. We would always encourage 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.720 folks if they have the capacity to make the gifts now, 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:40.680 especially during these more challenging times for the families that 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.400 are serving, now would be an opportune time to do that. 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.320 But I think what we're looking at right now is 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.520 making sure that we're Unfortunately, we've been buying more food 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.280 than we have in the past because of supply chain 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.640 issues and the like. But I think what we're trying 0:33:55.640 --> 0:34:00.600 to now is talk to our food service partners, the 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.479 grocery stores that are out there, the manufacturers that are 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:06.480 out there, and trying to say, if we're buying food 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:08.520 from you all, is there also some food that you 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.880 could donate as well. So we're trying to hit it 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.439 on all front, Scott, so that you know we're there 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.040 for the families. But the reality is this is that 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.279 nine out of ten meals are provided by SNAP Benefits 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.120 and one out of ten meals is provided by Freestop 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.080 Food Bank our sister food banks across the country. Just 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.840 in Ohio, almost one and a half million families receive 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:34.120 individuals receive SNAP benefits. Forty five thousand of those are veterans, 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.160 and sixty two percent of them are our families with children. 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.680 So we know that it's going to be felt fifty 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.279 percent of the families that we serve, and we serve 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.319 two hundred and seventy five thousand of our neighbors that 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.080 are food and secure eighty two thousand wich your kids. 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.920 So we serve about half of those are receiving SNAFF benefits, 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.520 and most of the families that we serve are working 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.120 just not making enough money to make ends meet when 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.400 it comes time to buying groceries, or paying the rent, 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.239 or buying medicine for the kids, or paying you know, 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.879 buying food. So those are the things that we've been 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.640 confronted with for years. But this community has really rallied 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.920 behind us over the year, Scott, and I know that 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:13.919 they're going to do that again. 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.520 Now I'm sure you've also looked at it too. I mean, 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.239 you have to do a I guess, find out what 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.480 your breaking point is for lack of a better term, right, 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.759 I mean, how close are you to that? If you 0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:27.839 start to add up all these numbers, you go, how 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:29.760 are we going to sustain this? If we're now twice 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.560 a month, then we've increased demand, you know, thirty percent? 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:34.520 Is that sustainable for how long? 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:35.920 Well? 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:37.600 You know, the way we look at this is that 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:42.959 you know, we've prepared for, you know, to maintain reserves 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:47.360 for events like this. We've gone through some natural disasters 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.840 where we've partner with other food banks across the country. 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:55.520 We've rallied behind folks during the pandemic during the Great Recession. 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.239 So Free Store is going to stand tall and be 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.520 there as well as our six n the food pantries 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.560 that are across the twenty countside. Twenty County is served 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.919 by the Free Store. But at some point in time, 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.560 we will get to a point where, you know, if 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:16.560 this is a prolonged government shutdown, then more and more 0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.880 families will be turning to Freestore and our sister food banks, 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.160 and at that point in time we'll have to assess 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.839 the situation. But right now we're not there. Right now, 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.799 we are in a situation where we have resources and 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:33.120 reserves to weather the storm on a temporary basis. I 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.560 would say if we go out there another you know, 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.400 thirty days, then things are going to have to get 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:40.960 a little bit more tighter. 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:42.680 Well, as I've said a long you know, the first 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.680 few weeks, days and weeks of this, it's all political theater. 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.200 But as you get to that thirty day mark, and 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.440 that's why the longest shutdown in the second longest and the 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.480 longest one is thirty five days, because now that theater 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.400 becomes reality in the case where you guys are at 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:57.319 Freestore Food Bank. 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:57.960 Kurt Ryber. 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.480 You're going to see the families you serve hit the 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.440 hardest and typically who gets hurt in there when the 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:08.759 SNAP benefits disappear disappear. What kind of folks are we 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:09.400 talking about here. 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:13.120 We're talking about you've got you've got seniors, You've got 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.920 you know, military families. Uh. Forty three percent of the 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:21.440 SNAPPER recipients in Ohio, our older adults are disabled individuals. 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.080 As I said, sixty two per families with children. We 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.320 have forty five thousand volunteer or veterans. I'm sorry to 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.719 receive SNAP benefits in Ohio. And that's that's just you know, 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:34.520 those are the folks that have given so much of 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:38.000 their own lives to this great country of ours, and 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:42.760 now when we need to help them during their challenging times, 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:44.560 we need to be there. And that's really what the 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.160 free store is going to be about. 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:46.839 Uh. 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:52.240 You've mentioned Thanksgiving coming up. Then you'll have a Christmas 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.359 holidays and the December holidays that are out there, uh, 0:37:55.520 --> 0:38:00.200 you know, and families will be relying on freestore more 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.560 profound way in order to make ends meet. And Free 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.200 Store in this community has rallied behind these situations in 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.800 the past, and you know, my challenge right now is 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.360 to let people know that they can make a difference 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:14.799 by making a donation of the Free Store Food Bank. 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:18.360 Every dollar comes in and we compriabe the equivalent of 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.240 three meals, and that's really going a long ways towards 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.840 helping to meet the needs of these families that are struggling. 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.400 It really is consider you to make a thoughtful donation 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.200 as well to the Freestore New Food Bank now more 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.000 than ever because of what we're talking about here. And 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.600 you know, you mentioned the families that show up and 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:36.920 I'm sure there's some familiar faces there, but you're going 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.240 to see a whole bunch of people have never needed 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:43.200 help before. And on that too, how do you reach 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.759 people and help ununderstand that food banks are there for them. 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.000 I mean, you're going to get a whole new if 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.120 this continues, a whole new bunch of people showing up 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.160 or people who may not know you exist in the 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:52.680 first place. 0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.440 Yeah, Scott, what we're doing is we're using all of 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:57.960 our social media outlets in order to do that, or 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:02.200 using folks like yourselves on seven hundred WW to raise 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.320 awareness about the Free Store Food Bank. If people need assistance. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.799 They can go to Freestore Foodbank dot org and click 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.640 on to get help Now, and they can find a 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.400 pantry that's close to them and be able to receive 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.960 that assistance that they need for The free Store has 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.480 continued to rally behind the families that we've served in 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:22.600 the Tri State area, and we saw an uptick in 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.600 the number of food and secure families over the past 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.560 two years here. But I think what we're going to 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:29.799 try to do is we're going to try to look 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:31.760 at it and say, Okay, how can we make a difference. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:33.480 And we do that through a couple of other things. 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.880 We also have wrap around supportive services our Customer Connection Center, 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.319 so we provide rental assistants to Utilia assistance. We have 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.439 two wonderful workforce training programs. We're getting folks back into 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.239 the workforce, and that's our culinary program CINCINNTI Cooks kind 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.719 of Lift, the Tri State Logistics program. So there are 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.799 things that we're doing to stem the tide right now. 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:56.680 We need people to support us so that we can 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.839 support those families that are truly in a dire state. 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.960 Is this sustainable at this right? I mean, even if 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.200 a fraction we said forty two million people turn to 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.520 food banks across the country, including the Free Star Food 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.160 Bank where you're the CEO of kurt ryber Can, the 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.919 Charitable Food System, and I would include churches there as well. 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.840 Can we possibly fill that gap that's a lot of people. 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.080 We can't. We can't food bank our way out of 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.040 the scott and you've shared that with our elected officials, 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.200 both of the state, federal, and local levels. We're working 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.719 with folks at Hamilton County to figure out what we 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.120 can do as far as reallocating some resources there. We're 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.600 talking to folks of the city, but we're also talking 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.680 to our federal luck officials as well and trying to 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:41.160 say through our government relations team at Feeding in America, 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:45.160 they're continuing to let folks know that this is really 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.560 impacting families because they're quite honestly not doing their job 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.319 and getting a budget passed, and you know, having a 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:57.160 continued resolution pass it is critically important and right now 0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.520 is more than ever for the families that we're serving. 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:01.600 Yeah, now, three weeks ago is okay, We're going to 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:03.720 shut some national parts and maybe not cut the grass. 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:07.399 Now now you're talking about not feeding people and that 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.400 that's the reality as this thing has gone from theater 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:14.240 to looming damage. I know, I think it was Virginia. 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.440 They declared a state of emergency and covered snap with 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:21.000 state funds. Says you mentioned local and federal. What's the 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:22.400 state's role in this. Have you reached out to the 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:23.600 governor to Wine. 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:27.279 Well, we reached out to the elected officials, to our 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.520 state associations. We have a Free State Association we're partners 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.760 with and they are helping us, you know, message those 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.680 you know, the folks at the governor's office, Governor Dwine, 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:43.279 Governor Brasher, governor will come over in Indiana and they're 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:47.840 really helping you tell the story and tell the impact. 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.040 What you have to understand too, is that for every 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.200 dollar worth of stamp benefits that come in to our economy, 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:57.080 that equates one to a dollar fifty four in economic impact. 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:59.319 So you know, we're not on really impacting just the 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.400 families that were serving, but we're impacting the retailers, the 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:07.080 grocery stores, the folks that are or have hired a 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.799 lot of people that will also be impacted. If this 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.040 government continues to shut down, let's say. 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.400 In the next four or five days, that they finally 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.480 are able to get this thing done in open government 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.040 back up. But even beyond November, if the shutdown ends 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.200 this week and benefits are restored, what's your outlook for 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:25.640 like the next six or twelve months. 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.840 Kurt Well, I think what we're going to see is 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.320 where you continue to see people that are that are struggling, 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.960 you know, living paycheck to paycheck. You know, the inflationary pressures. 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.400 The stock market may be going up, but that's not 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:40.560 impacting the families that we're serving. So those economic benefits 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.440 they receive are pretty really important to really stem the tide. 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.120 Seventy percent of the families we serve, the neighbors that 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.279 come into our markets are are working families. You're just 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.840 not making enough money to make ends meet when a 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:56.160 child gets sick, or car breaks down, or your chili 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:57.560 bills are out of site. I mean, if we have 0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:01.840 a rough winter to side, do I pay for my 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.560 heat and electricity or do buy food? And when they 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.719 make that decision and they say I'm going to pay 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.600 for my electricity and my heat, which is critically important, 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.800 then they're going to come to our food bank and 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.680 our food pantries and really try to figure out how 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:19.640 they can leverage those resources as well. So everything works 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:23.560 in dependently on each other, and right now, more than ever, 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:24.759 we need as help. 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.840 Yeah, this is this isn't the old tired, stereotypical welfare 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.120 queen Wright King who just shows up and gets free 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.080 stuff from everybody who don't feel like they got to work. 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.920 You're talking about people working multiple jobs with family and 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.600 trying to keep their head above water because the cost 0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.480 inflation and everything has gone through the roof and skyrocketed 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.480 because of a number of factors. And now if you 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.160 cut off the benefits are getting the food benefits here, 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:48.400 people really starve. 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.120 Well, it's really critically important when you know, and I 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.839 want to encourage folks if they do need assistance, then 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.200 you know, please go to our website Prestore Foodbank dot 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.120 org and they can find help near them. They find 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.120 a pandy that's close to them. We have over six 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.839 hundred pantries that we support in twenty counties, about eighty 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:09.200 percent of our faith based. So we know that the 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.520 faith community is rallying behind this as well. And we 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:14.480 know that the families that were serving and we have 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.080 one hundred and forty amazing team members to work as 0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.080 a free Store of Food Bank on the front lines 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.359 of hunger each and every day. We have over twelve 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.880 thousand volunteers that provide eighty two thousand dollars a volunteer 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.920 service war US. So this community has rallied behind the 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.480 Free Store of Food Bank. We know they will do 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:34.160 that again, and we just encourage folks to help us 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:35.480 get through this time. 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.839 Talent, treasure, right, the three big things. And you can 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.320 give one or maybe all of those in these efforts. 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.839 And maybe you need want to volunteer, don't have money 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:47.200 to give you, but you have time, certainly go and volunteer. 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.120 Go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. If you have money and 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.759 you want to give, please do that because they're going 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.600 to need to fill this void. If indeed we get 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.160 to Saturday and forty two million low income people don't 0:44:58.160 --> 0:44:59.600 get their Snap benefits. 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:00.880 We'll talk about food here. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.160 We're not talking about anything else but just basic human 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:04.200 sustenance at this point. 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.239 So Kurt Ryber, Yeah, one thing I would point out 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.520 to Scott is that a lot of folks who have 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.120 been asking questions about their Snap benefits that are already 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:16.000 on their Snap cards, those benefits will be available and 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.719 usable after this, you know, after this November one deadline. 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.200 So if you have Snap benefits that are continuing to 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.279 stay on your card, you can still use those as 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:28.400 the retailers that you frequent until those are spent. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:31.880 Important point to the Snap benefit card itself. If you 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:33.560 have the credit on there, you're just not getting any 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:34.000 new credit. 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:35.320 That's correct. 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:39.760 Yeah, as of Saturday anyway, Well, hopefully cooler health will prevailed. 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.840 They'll come to a conclusion here and wrap this nonsense 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.080 up because now you're really impacting people's lives. Kurt ryber 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:46.920 at the Free Star of Food Bank. God bless you man. 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:48.480 Thanks for what you do. We'll get the word out, 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.839 try to get some volunteers, get you some money too, 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:52.399 to maybe stem the tide here. 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.399 Thanks so much, Scott, I appreciate you. Take care. Thanks 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:55.799 so much. 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.520 Yeah, it's the sad reality of it that, you know, 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.520 if you're a political junkie and you're into this thing 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.200 and you know you want your side to hold out 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.919 Democrats want their side to hold out, Republicans on weather side. 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.920 The reality is there are people, real people who are 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.800 getting caught up in the middle of this. Kids, working families, 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:16.560 especially seniors, veterans. How is government serving them? How's government 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.719 serving us? This is self serving, is what this is. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:20.760 It's politics over people. 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:21.239 Right now. 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.839 You could be, you know, the strongest conservative in the world, 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.120 Christian conservative all while and good. You can't look at 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.920 this and hear about people who are working two three jobs. 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.480 They've got kids, you've got seniors, you've got veterans who 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.600 are fallen between the cracks and not be compassionate about that. 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:38.279 And I am. 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.400 I understand how dire the straits are for a country, 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.520 our future and our tremendous national debt that's growing by 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.399 the second. But this doesn't help that. This doesn't help 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.759 people because you got to live for today. And the 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:51.959 nonsense of shutting things down when they could be sitting 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.400 and talking and negotiating, actually working for the people and 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.960 not against them, I think should stand above all that. 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:58.440 Scott's Loan Show seven hundred. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.520 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's heer 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.480 to help us get our heads right. This is Mental 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.239 Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Heattershire. 0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:12.640 All right, the weekend to work week transition sucks. 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:13.360 It just sucks. 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.440 It sucks worse when the Bengals lose like they did, 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.080 because then you just wake up mad. I just stay 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.239 in bed. Oh you know what, just take the week 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.439 off to the next game. That's how I feel. Julie 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:24.560 Hatters here, Welcome to the show. 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:24.960 How are you? 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:26.200 Hello? 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:26.719 I'm good. 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:27.279 How are you? 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.399 There's no greater Bengal or NFL fan than you. I know, 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:31.799 and I know how hard you take a loss. 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:36.879 Yes, I didn't even know they played yesterday. Much less 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.040 less I know. 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:39.839 Because you sall text me like during the game, going 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:43.520 what we should talk about this tomorrow, Charo getting a solve. 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.279 But the rest of the world's watching football. You have 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:46.800 no idea what's going no idea. 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:48.600 No, I had no idea, not a clue. 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:51.920 You are right. 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:54.400 You're the person who's out there, like super Bowl Sunday. 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.680 She's one, she's shopping, she's at the store, she's doing anything. 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:58.720 Why is everything? Why is there no one out today? 0:47:58.760 --> 0:47:59.759 This is stupid. 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.880 I no, I at least know about Super Bowl Sunday. 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:04.040 I mean that's a big deal. 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.520 That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:07.040 is so hard. 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:08.839 And the reason why we do this segment of Metal 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.120 Health Monday is because Monday is the worst day of 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.040 the week for most people, but especially between you know 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:15.680 what's going on inside that little head of your So 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.840 transitioning from the weekend, it starts on Friday. You're in 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:20.680 weekend mode. Maybe you work out of the house so 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:22.359 it's even a little more lax, or maybe you get 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:23.960 off a little early and hey, I got Friday, I 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.760 got Saturday. Sunday comes along. I know people that party 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.759 right up until about ten o'clock Sunday night, and then 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.839 Monday comes along and they're like, ah, it's all coming 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:34.360 at me at the same time. Here is there a 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.279 way to mentally ease that transition a little bit better? 0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.600 Well, I think there are several things we can do. 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:43.920 But I think one of the things that gets lost 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.960 in the conversation about starting your work week, and as 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:50.200 I was sort of prepping for this talk this show, 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.960 I noticed this is that when we go to work 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:58.000 versus on the weekend, it's not just shifting what we do, 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.560 but to some degree, it's shifting who we are. We 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.440 are most of us different people at work than we 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.879 are on the weekends, and so for a lot of us, 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:12.120 that identity shift is a really hard thing. Going from 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.680 who you have to be at home with your family 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:17.320 or in your life on the weekend to going into 0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:21.560 work on Monday and being the productive or we hope 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.040 productive worker that you are in. Whatever job you do 0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:28.880 requires not just doing different things, but being a different person. 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.760 And for some of us, we don't like the person 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:34.880 we are at work as much as we like the 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.600 person we are at home. So sometimes I think that 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.080 gets lost in the conversation. And I think that's an 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:44.040 important thing to recognize, is that it requires an identity 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:47.160 shift that sometimes we don't enjoy very much. 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.359 Okay, because you got to put your work face, sounds 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.000 what you're saying and be some like, for example, you 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:52.760 got to go out and you know, if you're in sales, 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.040 you got to go well, be a salesperson. Either that's 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.200 a tough job or it's like wow, physical, abe, I'm 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.360 still sore from Friday. I got to get back and 0:49:59.480 --> 0:49:59.880 get back to. 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:01.560 Yes. 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.040 And I know, I've worked with people in sales over 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:05.960 the course of my career and many of them are 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:09.359 actually introverted. And so to go out and be in 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:14.480 a sales position customer facing knocking on doors literally sometimes 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:19.520 knocking on doctor's offices, doors to bring them lunch is 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:22.560 difficult for them, and they have to sort of energize 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:25.080 and gear up and kind of rev themselves up and 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.239 put themselves into sort of a slightly altered identity in 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:29.960 order to do that, and then they get to sort 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:31.960 of go back to who they actually are on the weekend. 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.480 So for a lot of people, becoming that worker on 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.719 Monday is difficult. It's not just about going to work, 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:40.200 it's who you have to be when you're there. 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.640 Yeah, yeah, okay, putting that that face on. Okay, I 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.000 get that whole thing. Yeah all right, So all right, 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.280 I got to make that When should that transition start? 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:53.280 Well, I think people need to start doing that Sunday evening. 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:57.360 I think the most successful productive people that I've worked 0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:01.600 with have sort of a Sunday evening routine where they 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:04.799 sort of gear down from the weekend and start to 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.560 transition into before they go to bed on Sunday night, 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:11.359 start to transition into two Monday mode. That doesn't necessarily 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:15.400 mean looking at their calendars, that doesn't necessarily mean diving 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:17.960 back in. That means sort of, for many of them, 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:22.399 setting an intention of what do I need to do 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:24.640 this week? What are my big projects? What are my 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.239 big goals and who do I need to be in 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.240 order to accomplish them, and how can I set myself 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.839 up for success tonight so that tomorrow morning I hit 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:35.880 the ground running and I'm able to get done what 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:37.920 I need to get done. So it's sort of a 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:42.040 larger goal intention setting kind of shift than it is 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.560 looking at what you have first thing Monday morning on 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:45.120 your calendar. 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:48.719 Kind of Okay, yeah, I guess, but that feels like 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:52.200 you're demand's cheating out of hours on your weekend again. 0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:54.920 You know, wait a minute, I I got to get 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.560 my game face on. It's still Sunday's till my day. Man, 0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:58.600 come on the Lord's day. 0:51:58.600 --> 0:51:59.040 What do we doing? 0:51:59.120 --> 0:51:59.200 No? 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:02.319 I get that. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And so 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:06.640 a way to think about that is how to protect 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:10.400 enough of who I am and my identity and my 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:15.600 life by making the shift as seamless and the transition 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:19.839 as easy as possible, versus that jarring the alarm goes 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:21.920 off and you're like, oh, shoot, now it's Monday. Now 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:26.080 what am I going to do? So optimizing it for you, 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:31.040 not optimizing it for your employer. How can I make 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.040 my Monday morning go better for me? For my partner, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.799 for my family if I have one at home. How 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.919 can I ease this transition for myself? Not how can 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.240 I start working on Sunday night when they're not paying 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.080 me till Monday morning. It's a different it's a different 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:46.799 way of looking at it. 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:49.319 Okay, all right, just a different Julie Hendershare here, our 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:52.480 licensed mental health therapist on this mental health Monday here 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.520 on seven hundred WW Scott's Loan show. The weekend and 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:58.839 work week transition. It is a tough shift and over 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:00.799 the course of a few hours, because you could also 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:02.719 do a little bit like like for me, you know, 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.120 I'll pull behind the curtain, like after the show, I'll 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:06.960 get a stuff lined up for the week ahead, kind 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:08.759 of cut through some old email and kind of wrap 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:10.560 things up for the week, and then look ahead and 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.839 lay some stuff out, and then a little bit on 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:14.840 Saturday and a little bit on Sunday, and I just 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.000 kind of spread it out over the weekend when I'm 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:19.040 up having my coffee, like I had a little time 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.239 I'm waking up anyway, it's a good time before all 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.080 the cob webs start to come back into my head 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:24.200 to get all that. 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:26.040 Stuff out of the way great. 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:28.839 I was wondering what productivity things you do, because I 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:31.000 know that you stay on top of what's going on 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.200 in the world and in the news every day, whether 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.759 you're working or not, whether you have a show coming 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:38.080 up or not. I know that you do that. 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:38.960 But I also know that. 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.000 You don't let that run your life, that that's not 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.840 how you organize the rest of your life. And so 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:47.720 I was wondering what kind of productivity and work life 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.479 balance kinds of things you utilize. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:53.560 I just try to do it little pieces. You know, 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:56.600 obviously during the week is busier, but I notice if 0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:59.399 I if I'm out of town or something and come 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:01.120 back and on side or something, it's like, oh my 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.479 God's chaos. Because but you know, there are all times 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.440 you can slip away, even on you know, if you're 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.239 out of town or doing something else, like okay, I 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.360 just need to you know, get half hour forty minutes 0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.400 and kind of run through some stuff, line some stuff 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:14.120 up because you're always thinking ahead, but just doing the 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.600 little nuggets when you're staying around no typically instead of 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.840 you know, doom scrolling social media. If you took a 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:21.839 half hour forty minutes just to kind of do that. 0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:26.799 It seems like it's it's just not so I don't know, 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.600 you know, like Sunday comes are like, oh my god, 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.480 I get get ready for Monday. You know how people are. 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:31.839 It's like, if you do a little bit, I think 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.560 each day, I mean just could could be twenty minutes, 0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:36.680 half hour, it seems to make that Sunday and then 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:38.480 the Monday transition a lot better, at least that for 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:39.960 me anyway. 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:44.320 Yes, yes, I have had clients who are military and firefighters, 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.239 and one of the things that they've all said to 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:47.920 me is, if you stay ready, you don't have to 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:51.560 get ready. If you stay on top of it, it's 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.120 not such a big deal to jump into it. So 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:56.080 if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready. 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.440 And so those people who have jobs that allow or 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:02.520 require or some level of readiness in that way, spending 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:04.920 a little time on the weekend just kind of staying 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.200 on top of things. So like you, over the weekend, 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:08.680 I will do a little work. One of the things 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:12.080 I will do is read my notes from the last 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.920 session for the people I have coming up in the week, 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.560 just so I kind of have a sense of how 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:21.520 difficult or easy my week with clients is going to be. 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.520 If I knew we had a rough session with five 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.080 clients and I'm seeing all five this week, well, okay, 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:27.520 that's going to be kind of a heavy week. If 0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.520 I know things are going pretty smoothly for some of them, 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.080 then I have an idea of energetically what my week 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:33.759 is going to look like. So I just kind of 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:35.759 get a sense of that, so I know what I'm 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.480 heading into on Monday. 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:38.160 Yeah, I think so. 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:39.400 Like you, I kind of stay on it. 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.640 Yeah, just a task size it, right. What about the 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.600 element of you know, worktime's work time typically you know 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.680 you're dialed in your focus like that too, But what 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.080 about weekend? Should we because man, it's so easy for 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.279 all this stuff to start bleeding over to the weekend too. 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.640 I think you got to put boundaries up, right, Oh. 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:56.680 I think you have to put boundaries and protect your 0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.759 off time as much as is humanly possible. I think 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:02.440 you have to protect your off time. So for example, 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:04.879 I read my notes from I don't read my notes 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:06.840 from all my sessions, just for the ones I'm seeing 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:08.759 for the next week, and I only give myself like 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.319 twenty or thirty minutes tops to do that, and then 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:13.360 I put it away and then I'm done. But you 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.000 need to protect that time. But then when you're in 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:19.520 your workflow, you need It's really important for most people 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:21.680 to have blocks of time where they can actually do 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.000 deep work, where they can actually do the work that 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:28.359 they're getting paid to do, instead of being interrupted by 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.680 meetings or chit tech conversations at the office or email. 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.480 So you know, turn off all your devices if you 0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:38.560 can protect chunks of time. Because there's a guy named 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:41.759 Pareto pa r Eto. He's a business EA kind of guy, 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.400 and he says he's got this eighty twenty principle that 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.560 says twenty percent of our actions account for eighty percent 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:52.480 of our successful outcomes. So twenty percent of what we do, 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:56.719 generally speaking, accounts for eighty percent of our successful outcomes. 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.480 And the rest of what we do is extremeeous and 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:05.120 perhaps unnecessary or certainly not as crucial as that twenty percent. 0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:08.879 So for everybody, if you can start looking at identifying 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.120 what are the things that I do in my workday 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:17.280 that give me the best outcomes and the most good outcomes, 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.440 let me focus my attention on those at the start 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.760 of the week to the degree that I can to 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:25.320 set myself up for a successful week the rest of 0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:28.480 the week, because part of sometimes what happens is you 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.040 hit the ground in chaos on Monday, you play catch 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:34.920 up on Tuesday or Wednesday. Now you're actually getting into 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:37.280 the work that you need to do on Thursday and Friday, 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.600 and then it's the weekend and you abruptly stop. So 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:43.360 if you frontload the success in the week, then by 0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:47.560 Friday you're tying up loose ends, you're managing a few 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:50.200 last minute things, and then you're off for the weekend, 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:53.200 and it's an easier transition into the weekend and then 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:54.840 easier transition back into Monday. 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:59.200 Yeah, okay, Yeah, you're doing it in little bits and pieces, 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:01.000 supposed all at one, so that makes a lot of sense. 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.480 So and you've got to be consistent with it too. 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.880 I think that's the other important thing. Just turned a 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:06.840 new habit, is what you're. 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:11.760 Saying, Yeah, habitually set up a workflow that makes sense 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.400 for you. I know you and I've had a previous 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:16.520 conversation about what time of day people are at their 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:19.960 most productive, and it's different for everyone. So also what 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.200 day of the week are people most productive? And I 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:25.600 think that if you can find a large chunk of 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:30.080 your productivity early in your week, then you can relax 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:32.720 the end of your week, ease into your weekend, and 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.440 the Sunday to Monday transition doesn't feel quite so abrupt 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.720 because it wasn't abrupt Friday into Saturday. So it kind 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.080 of creates a flow that makes sense. I think for 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.680 many people, and many of us have the capacity to 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:46.840 make those kinds of changes in the way that we work. 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:49.880 All right, Julie Harris, you're talking about transition from a 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.600 weekend to work week. That's all well and good. What 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.040 if you really hate what you do. What if you'd 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.600 like just absolutely get fearful and sick that you've got 0:58:57.640 --> 0:58:58.600 to go back to work on money? 0:58:58.600 --> 0:58:59.320 I know people like that. 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.040 Oh, there are a lot of people like that, And 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.320 that's why you have Julie Bee on every week to 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:09.640 talk about your stuff. But then I think can become 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.880 not so much focusing on what you do and whether 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:15.800 you like it or not, but what what you do 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.320 allows you to do, be and have in the rest 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:20.480 of your life. I know a lot of people who 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:23.880 really dislike their jobs but really love the life that 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:27.160 the money or the job itself allows them to have. 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.120 So I know people who travel for work a lot, 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:32.400 and they don't really like traveling for work, but they 0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:34.720 love the miles that they rack up. They love the 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:38.080 ability to maybe tack a day on on one end 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:39.800 or the other and see a part of the country 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:42.720 or the world they've never seen before. They love the 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.320 opportunity to meet new people. They don't like it being 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:48.560 away from home or their family, but they like the 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.640 opportunities that that offers them. So focus on either if 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:55.200 there are aspects of your job that are less awful, 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.520 focus on those, but also what does your job allow 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:01.000 you to be, or do or have that you couldn't 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:02.800 be or do or have if you didn't do it, 1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:06.000 And look at it more as a means to an 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:07.360 end than the end. 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:09.480 In itself, which is more important. That's why it's so 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:13.320 important to have outside work time too, so you can compartmentalize, 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:16.120 you know, and hey, look, if your work you focus 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:19.240 on what you're doing when you're not there, and especially 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.320 if what you're doing when you're not at your job 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:23.200 maybe I don't know, maybe you have a side hustle 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.520 too or something, and you think about parlaying that into 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:26.400 your full time job. 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:31.040 Yes, yes. Side hustles are great because they can people 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:33.480 with an exit strategy at work if they hate what 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:37.320 they're doing. People with an exit strategy generally feel better 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:40.560 than people who have no exit strategy, either because they 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.600 haven't created one or they don't believe that they could 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:45.160 access one. So if your side hustle is going to 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:47.160 be your full time hustle at some point in time, 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:49.680 working on that on your off hours can help make 1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:52.800 the work you're doing more tolerable, the job that you 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:53.960 don't like more tolerable. 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:57.080 Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And then man, 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.400 when you how do you do that on on a vacation? 1:00:59.520 --> 1:00:59.720 Though? 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.760 It's one thing to say, hey, here's your pattern for 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.040 the weekend, but you take a week off. Should you 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:05.760 be doing a little bit each day? Do you wait 1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:06.240 till last? 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:06.680 How does that? 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:10.680 Because it sucks you get on vacation. Then then you 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.200 have an avalanche of email. For example, when we went 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:15.400 to our little Australia to our big Australia trip for 1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:18.280 two weeks, it took me a good week and a 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.160 half to respond to emails because a literal I had 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:23.240 like a thou over one thousand emails waiting for me 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:24.360 after two weeks. 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:28.000 So yes. So I think it's really important for people 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:30.640 to protect vacation time. And I think it's really important 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:33.760 to the degree that you possibly can, to let people 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.720 know that you will not be responding while you're on vacation, 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:40.600 that you will take some time to respond when you 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.320 get back, because you will probably have an avalanche of 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:47.440 projects and people and emails and phone calls and things 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:51.919 to get back to immediately, and that you will get 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:53.600 to them just as quickly as you can. But if 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:56.600 it's super duper important, they should pin you again when 1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:58.400 they know you're going to be back in the office 1:01:58.440 --> 1:02:00.600 to move it to the top of your pro list. 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.480 So I think setting the expectation ahead of time and 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:08.240 holding fast to that, because you can say I'm unplugged, 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:10.360 but then if you an answer an email or too, well, 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.080 now people know you're not really unplugged. 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:12.800 So if you. 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.160 Intend to be set that expectation and hold fast to it, 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:20.880 and then if you can, when you can, create a 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:24.280 transition day for yourself if possible, So instead of coming 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.040 back in late on Sunday night and starting work on Monday, 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:29.720 maybe come back in on Saturday and having Sunday to 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:32.360 transition back and get back into the work week on Monday, 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.000 or maybe take that Monday off as well and start 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:38.560 your work week on Tuesday. But set yourself a transition 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.960 time to get everything cleaned up from the vacation, unpacked, 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:44.880 put away and start working your way back into your 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:48.560 work week and give yourself that buffer. Just plan that 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.680 into your schedule if you possibly can. Can make a 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:54.320 huge difference for how you re enter the work life 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:55.920 after you've been on vacation. 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.560 Okay, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She's Julie Hatters, 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:01.840 your licensed mental health therapist that bconnected dot care. If 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:04.120 you want to reach out to her, it's hey, Julie 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:07.160 at the letter be connected at dot care. She practices 1:03:07.200 --> 1:03:10.200 Clifton and right here in the Cincinnati. It's mental health Monday. 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:13.440 Good stuff as we transition. Probably should have had you 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:16.439 on Friday to get ready a little late now, isn't 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:17.280 that we're back at work? 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:20.360 Hi, you can start. You can start tonight for tomorrow. 1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:22.919 Pretend you've got a Tuesday start of the week. 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:24.919 Getting the groove. You got to get in the groove 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:26.520 right grind. I just think you probably don't have a 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:28.760 good twenty thirty more years of this work and stuff. 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:31.480 Just think what's in front of you. It's incredible. 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.280 All the best, have a great week, Appreciate you, Thanks 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.400 you too. All right, let's get a news updata in 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:39.320 just about five minutes away here on seven hundred Wlwmuch 1:03:39.320 --> 1:03:42.280 has been made of the fiscal impact of immigration, and 1:03:42.320 --> 1:03:45.720 the folks at Manhattan Institute have analyzed ten and twenty 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:48.720 and thirty years of government data and all the programs 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.600 we had in immigration, What we get right, what we 1:03:50.680 --> 1:03:54.240 get wrong? In the eye opening conclusion and maybe not 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:58.240 as eye opening as a fact that immigrants with advanced 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:01.200 degrees tend to be a huge boom to our economy, 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:05.200 whereas those who come in without such education tend to 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:06.760 be a drain. But it also has to do with 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:10.240 eight what age you immigrate to this country. It's an 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:13.560 interesting outlook on things and would actually restore tens of 1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:16.000 millions of dollars to the bottom line, meaning reducing our 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:19.120 deficit if we followed this plan. Really interesting stuff with 1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:21.440 Daniel de Martinez. He's next on the Scottslowan Show on 1:04:21.480 --> 1:04:26.400 seven hundred WW Cincinnati Boom Dot. 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:30.280 On seven hundred WLW. The immigration fights that we needeep 1:04:30.320 --> 1:04:34.160 into lots of fights, including immigration, get illegals out, keep 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:36.720 the legal at ten. But who out of that long 1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:38.040 line gets in? Who stays? 1:04:38.880 --> 1:04:41.919 Maybe a better question of who is rather than maybe 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:46.080 how many? And should the US admit them through reform 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:48.160 and immigration system? Who should get in at this point? 1:04:48.400 --> 1:04:51.120 So the Manhattan Institute their thing tank, and they studied 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:53.760 a ten and thirty year impacts of dozens of our 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:57.240 nation's immigration policies over the years and categorize immigrants on 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:01.000 tax revenue, federal spending GDP, population, and who gives us 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:04.240 a benefit in who takes away? With the answers Daniel 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.959 di Martino of the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel, 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:07.440 welcome to the show. 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:10.600 How are you very good? Thank you for having me. Yeah. 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:15.120 So you find that if you're younger and you're educated, 1:05:15.160 --> 1:05:19.040 you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses. 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:22.400 They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:24.840 to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:27.600 is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:29.800 going to get into here, but essentially that's the core 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:32.360 of this thing is that's really not surprising. 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:35.080 Is it. It is not because we have a progressive 1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:38.360 tax system and we have a welfare system that gives 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:41.440 benefits to people based on how little they make. Right, 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:43.760 So if you bring in a lot of four people 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:47.760 or elderly people that will receive entitlements, then those people 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:50.160 will be a next cost to the federal government. That's 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:50.840 a no brainer. 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:53.720 So why does the college agree make such a vast Efforence. 1:05:53.720 --> 1:05:55.600 I mean, you're talking millions of dollars in that one 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:59.720 person's financial impact, and of course the ledge what's driving 1:05:59.760 --> 1:06:00.000 that game? 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:01.000 Yeah? 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:03.120 Yeah, a lot of people tell me, but you know, 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:05.040 a college degree is and all you need, and like, 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:08.320 of course these are all averages. This doesn't mean that 1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:12.120 there're aren't immigrants or high school dropouts that do better. Right. 1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:14.880 There are many college dropouts that create a big company, 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:19.400 But that doesn't mean that that's the most common case. 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:19.959 Right. 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:24.160 And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:27.960 degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:31.160 college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:34.120 thing to have than in America. And so when you 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:37.760 bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else, 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.960 you can assure yourself that that person comes from a 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:42.280 much more elit background. 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:44.680 But at the same time, you know, we have countless 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:46.919 people who have college degrees that complain they can't find 1:06:46.920 --> 1:06:48.880 a job in their chosen field and they have a 1:06:48.920 --> 1:06:51.360 degree and go, okay, great, I can't service the loan 1:06:51.400 --> 1:06:53.880 that I took out to get that degree, and I'm 1:06:53.920 --> 1:06:55.640 doing something I don't want to do, and I never 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:58.840 see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.440 country and sit seed and contribute to the GDP. Is 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:05.240 it about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:06.520 here and not just a degree? 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:09.880 Well, it's true that immigrants do you specialize like the 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.560 immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:17.040 even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.680 also they just have an even an even higher education 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:24.760 and go to different universities. Right, So you know people 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:28.880 talk about like people who graduate from the US University's 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:32.800 Americans who get a STEM degree or it's an underground degree, 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:36.240 you know, that counts biology, that counts like a regular 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:39.000 engineering degree. And if you're competing as people who have 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:41.560 a master's degree or a PhD, I mean obviously you 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:44.360 can't get the job that you want, and then you 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:50.840 also have the other fact, which is infrant start businesses, 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:54.800 so they expand the economy that way, the average immigrant 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:57.720 does not look like the average person in that country. 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:00.720 And then there's a lot of who tell me, well, 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:03.760 but we want to keep those jobs for Americans, right like, 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:07.320 we don't want them to replace the native born college 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:10.560 graduates who are seeking opportunities. And that's that's just not 1:08:10.760 --> 1:08:14.240 how the labor market works. When you have more people 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:16.439 in the labor market, you don't have the same number 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:20.559 of jobs. There are relative wage effects, that is true, 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:24.920 but because immigrants also at the highly educated level, you know, 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:27.120 people like you at Musk who came on a twenty 1:08:27.240 --> 1:08:31.439 visas or people like Jensen Huang, they end up also 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:35.280 increasing productivity and wages for people who are college educated. 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:39.360 Dan, you found that the fifty year old immigrant looks 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.479 great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant 1:08:41.520 --> 1:08:43.640 by them mistic Okay, things are great to productive, but 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:47.600 by year thirty it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite. 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:50.519 It tends to be a net gain for this country. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:53.400 So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:54.479 doc and can you walk? 1:08:54.760 --> 1:08:55.479 Can you walk? Through us. 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:57.160 Well, why that that flip happens. 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:01.519 Yeah, so I did estimates on a ten and thirty 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:03.800 year basis before I have done them last year on 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:06.320 a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to ten 1:09:06.360 --> 1:09:09.200 in thirty years is because of Congress. When they pass legislation, 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:13.120 the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the ten year 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:15.680 budget window and then secondarily. 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:16.639 About the thirty year budget window. 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:20.280 So when they're deciding to pay legislation, they need this 1:09:20.479 --> 1:09:24.400 estimates like I made it. And so that's a problem though, 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:27.080 because you're right, a fifty year old limigrant on an 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:29.679 average will look good over the next ten years because 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:31.479 it's going to be from the age of fifty to 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:34.960 age of sixty. And an immigrant who is ten years old, 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:37.840 a child that comes with a family is going to 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:39.719 look bad because it's not when I work from age 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:44.000 ten to twenty. So that shifts over the third year 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:46.679 window because then the older imigrant is going to collect 1:09:46.800 --> 1:09:48.960 security and Medicare and the young evenion is going to 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:53.280 start working. So people need to keep done in mind 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:56.360 and understand these are averages and if you want to 1:09:56.400 --> 1:09:58.960 benefit the budget in the long run, you need younger 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:00.479 people and you need more, you get it. 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:01.519 People got to Daniel D. 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:04.559 Martina, Manhattan Institute breaking a study here of ten and 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:08.200 thirty year impacts of immigration, and the bottom line is 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:11.800 that education drives fiscal impact, but age matters a lot too. 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:14.800 That young immigrants look costly in the short term but 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:18.320 benefits in the long term. Middle aged immigrants show the 1:10:18.360 --> 1:10:22.200 opposite because they get the retirement benefits. And that's the 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.400 flip that's going on here. Let me pivot to the 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:29.120 H one visa debate that has become pretty controversial right 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:32.799 with wanting to charge money and charging literally a small 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:35.640 fortune to get that H one B. Some say it's 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:37.920 essential or they say, well, we should just eliminate this thing. 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:39.200 What is your data show? 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:43.040 Well, the H one B regardless of what people think 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:45.840 that based on the characteristics of the people who come 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:48.720 on H one bs, they are the ones that pay 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:52.200 the most taxes and receive the least government benefits of 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:56.559 any of these categories. And so if you are a 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:59.479 conservative and you're like like myself, I think you know 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:01.920 work the immigrant. Do you want to come to America? 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:03.880 Do you want an immigrant who does not depend on 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:06.880 the government, who speaks English, who have a job who 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:11.320 there's no comic crimes, and who you know, adopts American costumes. 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:13.840 And if that's the case, then immigrants to commin H 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:16.680 one with visas are any deal immigrant. That doesn't mean 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:20.040 that it's a perfect system, right, it's a lottery, So 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:22.719 you don't want to distribute the spots on a lottery 1:11:22.760 --> 1:11:27.400 but instead based on perhaps something more meritorious. But even then, 1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:30.640 the system is better than any other visa program that 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:30.920 we have. 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:35.599 Ye I see a lot of communities are changing because 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:37.719 of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:40.080 amount of money to the show. Now the other side 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:42.479 of this, and someone casual listening go, okay, you got 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:45.719 this guy from Manhattan and Daniel de Martino who wants 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:49.240 I educated people with advanced degrees because they bring a 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:52.360 small fortune and massive fortune, and even small fortune to 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:54.439 the country could help balance the deficit and do all 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:57.160 these wonderful things. They don't drain the system, and they're 1:11:57.160 --> 1:11:59.559 paying the taxes and that's helping older people, and that's 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:02.400 all well and good. But does this simply mean that 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:05.160 we don't need anyone who's not educated in America? We 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:07.559 don't need that immigrant labor that we don't need people 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:08.400 at the low end. 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:09.040 Of the Trump. 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:13.600 Well, America has a program called the H two A 1:12:13.920 --> 1:12:18.000 and the HTVVSA programs. The H two A is seasonal 1:12:18.080 --> 1:12:22.280 agricultural labor. Now, even though those are on you know, 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:25.080 people who generally don't have a high school diploma, they're 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:26.000 working in farms. 1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:26.639 For low wages. 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:30.479 The reality is that we didn't have them, the farms 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:32.800 would shut down. It would be too expensive to farm 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:35.599 in America. We would just import the food from other countries. 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:39.080 But we cannot import everything, like we cannot import a 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:40.880 hair cards because you have to do it in person. 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:47.840 But we can import every agricultural product. So the advantage 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:50.280 is that, yes, you keep that industry here, you create 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:53.080 jobs for Americans and agriculture as well. And then the 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:56.800 second it's seasonal, so these immigrants never stay. They leave 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.960 after a season or two, and so they never collect 1:13:00.000 --> 1:13:03.680 government benefits. That is okay to have, well you cannot have. 1:13:04.240 --> 1:13:08.200 It's allowing people who make very little money to immigrate 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:11.880 permanently to the United States because if they do, the 1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:15.240 mass is that they will simply lower debt. 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:19.920 They will I get the agriculture element because that's a 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:22.599 national security issue. We can't farm out all of our food. 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:25.439 We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly, 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:28.120 it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:30.080 basket here in the United States of America, produce lot 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:33.000 of corn, soybeing, et cetera, et cetera. But on the 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.920 regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm fields, whatsoever, 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.720 that are Americans going to fill that void? I mean 1:13:38.760 --> 1:13:41.360 working in a I don't know, a meat processing plant 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.920 for example, or something along those lines, where it's physical labor, 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:49.040 building houses work, doing roof jobs and construction and dry 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:52.960 wall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs. It's seemingly, and 1:13:53.200 --> 1:13:56.000 I know a little bit about this immigrant labor, if 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:57.080 you completely. 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:58.280 Got rid of that, it ceased to exist. 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:00.400 I get that they you know, they live here, but 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:02.559 they a lot of them go and start their own 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:05.479 business too. There's got to be a carve out for that, 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:07.599 right because, let's face it, there are jobs out there 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:10.400 we don't want our kids to take well. 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:13.800 So the thing is that weges would change, even in agriculture, 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:16.920 would change if you didn't have immigrant workers. The wages 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:19.919 would increase. The problem is that for them, cultural industry. 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:22.880 It would just end the industry, right that we would 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:25.280 just import the food. But that's not the case. And 1:14:25.360 --> 1:14:28.040 the same thing first, for example tech, if we didn't 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.200 have highly educated workers, what the tech industry is that 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:33.240 they opened in an office in Canada and then they 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:36.559 do everything from there because everything's remote. So you would 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:39.519 rather have those resources here. But the issue with other 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:43.480 things like construction is that you would still have construction, 1:14:43.520 --> 1:14:46.559 it would just be a higher price that Even then, 1:14:46.640 --> 1:14:48.760 most of the cost of housing has nothing to do 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:52.760 with construction and everything to do with materials, so you know, 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:57.400 the tiers are harming or sony laws which we can change, 1:14:57.640 --> 1:15:01.880 so we don't really need or it wouldn't really be 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:05.040 beneficial to have a lot of immigrants, low paid coming 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:07.120 for construction because they will receive with just a lot 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:10.759 of welfare. Alternatively, you could still have a guest worker 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:13.960 program that is seasonal, ensuring that people go back and 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:16.000 never stay permanently and collect entitlements. 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:20.640 Daniel de Martino, Manhattan Institute on Immigration. This morning on 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:24.679 seven hundred WLW, so we talked about younger educated immigrants 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:27.320 and advanced degrees a huge bunda the economy. 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:28.040 We need more of them. 1:15:28.400 --> 1:15:33.000 Employment based high skilled visa holders not benefit there as well. 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:34.840 What about extended family. 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:39.280 Yeah, the extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:43.680 coming to America. They come with very little English proficiency, 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:48.320 you know, medium to low levels of education, and they 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:52.280 end up receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay. 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:55.680 This is why my proposal to how we should change 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:58.360 the imtigation system is simply we take in all these 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:03.960 extended relative pieces and we just give them out based 1:16:03.960 --> 1:16:07.439 on whether immigrants have a good English, whether they have 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.920 a good education, whether they're young, whether they have a 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:14.000 job offer in the United States, and then that's how 1:16:14.000 --> 1:16:16.240 the labor market comes through the gap, you know, without 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:21.000 picking winners and losers. And then the employment based business 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:23.800 that we already have, we just ranking them to the 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:27.360 highest paid instead without care of the profession. You know, 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:29.679 it's not about education, it's about who pays the most. 1:16:29.880 --> 1:16:32.920 If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like incredible and 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:36.120 he's getting paid one hundred and fifty K, then bringing 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:39.360 that carpenter right, that's the market showing its signal through 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:39.840 the price. 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:41.720 Yeah, that makes sense. 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:45.160 When the family comes along, it's different, But how many 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:47.880 immigrants will that dissuade from coming to the United States 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:51.639 if they can't bring their their wife, their kids, significant others, 1:16:52.240 --> 1:16:52.760 one of your. 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:56.799 Mom or I'm not saying anything about wife and children. 1:16:57.000 --> 1:17:01.680 I'm just saying eliminate the stibling category, the adult children category, 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:05.200 who together they bring in one hundred and thirty one 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:07.439 thousand people. You might say, well, now, but people want 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:10.360 to bring in their siblings or they are adults children 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:13.679 the relative that they can't anymore anyway, because the system, 1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:16.720 the family system already exists in is so backlog that 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:19.519 it takes twenty years. It's the same of the didnert exists. 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:20.760 We need to get rid of it and give it 1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:23.559 based from marriage instead. In fact, you seem more fair 1:17:24.280 --> 1:17:27.360 because if you're an imager living into the Philippines and 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:29.760 you don't have a relative in the US, when you're 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:32.120 out of luck, you can't come. And no matter how 1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:35.840 educated you get, no matter how great you are, under 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:39.799 a system based on your characteristics, you are not dependent 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:41.759 on the law of how in a relative in America 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:42.400 you come. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:43.920 To a man and am of that. 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:48.759 You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog which encourages illegal immigration. 1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:50.719 Here I mean, if you have to wait twenty years, 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:53.799 fifteen twenty years for your case of here and possibly 1:17:53.880 --> 1:17:56.559 get at that point, why would you if you're coming 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:59.320 from such an impoverished and most dangerous part of the world. 1:17:59.840 --> 1:18:02.400 I take my chances and slip across the border, fire them. 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:04.759 It's a matter between life and death. Who's got fifteen 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:08.040 twenty years to wait for you're allowed to come to 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:09.240 the United States of America. 1:18:09.320 --> 1:18:10.439 This would cut that down. 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:13.320 I would think, yes, I think I would re use 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:16.439 the incentive. But at the same time, we have learned 1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:19.120 that if the president wants to, they can secure the border, 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:24.439 and President Trump has so that's also note necessarily ast 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:25.160 important to. 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:29.280 Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I mean 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:32.600 we're not functioning right now as we speak. As you know, Danielle, 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:36.280 what's the political feasibility of this thing? You have to 1:18:36.280 --> 1:18:39.360 do some tremendous coalition building just to have someone hear 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:43.439 this whole thing between family visa cuts and legalization with 1:18:43.520 --> 1:18:46.600 fees and deportations and all that stuff. It's a messy proposition. 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.559 In reality, politics doesn't work that way. 1:18:49.400 --> 1:18:53.280 So absolutely they I'll say, President Trump, with the funding 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:56.680 that he got from the one big beautiful bills for deportations, 1:18:56.720 --> 1:19:00.080 and how that's drunk enough and hopefully you know, so 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:02.559 we will know that the legality of the DAKA program 1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:05.640 from the Supreme courts. I think those two factors combined 1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:08.040 the fact that we already get done with the tax 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:11.559 cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:15.360 going to go to another topic. Then that topic might 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:18.200 be immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:21.040 funding he got for the deportations, and in the Democrats 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:23.920 were smart, they would come to the negotiating table, right, 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:26.160 because you need sixty votes in the Senate to pass. 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:28.080 Anything that's not budget related. 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:32.280 So if the Democrats say, you know, we negotiate, we 1:19:32.280 --> 1:19:35.920 can legalize some people. Yes, the tool will reduce family immigration, 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:38.880 and we will bring in more high school immigrants. But 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:42.120 if they don't negotiate, then maybe a million more people 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:45.719 than deported. So we will know how much they really 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:46.960 care about that very soon. 1:19:47.320 --> 1:19:47.600 Dana d. 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:49.920 Martini, you analyze this. You looked at ten and thirty 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:53.240 year impacts of literally dozens of immigration policy US has 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:57.679 had and categorizing the immigrants on tax revenue and population GDP, 1:19:57.840 --> 1:20:01.240 federal spending and all that if this were to come 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:03.519 to fruition and we did it the way you suggest here, 1:20:03.760 --> 1:20:05.639 what are we looking at as far as a savings 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:06.840 relative to the national debt. 1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:11.080 Yeah, So under my plan, which would just shift immigrant 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:14.559 visas towards more highly educated categories with a change namagan 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:17.280 flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit, and 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.800 then legalizing the people who are here legally as long 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:23.759 as they pay without a fiveway to citizenship, but allowing 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:25.680 them to work in state as long as they pay 1:20:25.800 --> 1:20:28.519 five thousand dollars a year for ten years of fifty 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:32.080 k to reduce the deb and they obviously they are 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:37.000 not criminals. All that that will reduce the national debt 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:42.400 from its current trijectory by twenty trillion dollars over thirty years. 1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:46.400 It will reduce or essentially over the long run, it 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:50.599 would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:53.519 because it means we don't to cut. 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.080 Some security or raise. 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:58.680 Access if we pursue radical immigration reform right now. 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:01.800 Yeah, And the other element here too, of course is 1:21:01.880 --> 1:21:05.160 unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying charging five thousand dollars 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.760 a year for X number of years, and that would 1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:10.439 reduce the debt and their burden on the system. But 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:13.040 how realistic is that to actually. 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:15.920 Execute the people who don't pay it. Then they are 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:18.920 the fine targets for deportation because it means that they're 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:21.080 not willing to pay it under skier of them, so 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:22.400 they're much easier to report. 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:27.120 Very interesting, and that literally would take her. It's of course, 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:28.840 you know, then we're back to the political questions because 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.560 Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:33.680 much already and they can't afford five thousand dollars and 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:35.680 to shake down. But you know, at the end of 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:36.800 the day, we're all paying for this. 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:38.439 Daniel de Martin. 1:21:38.840 --> 1:21:43.519 Yeah, America is not supposed to be the welfare state 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.080 of the world. Right, if you do not sustain yourself, 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:48.639 I pay it after you broke the law. It seems 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:51.120 like a really reasonable penalty that would benefit the nation. 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:53.599 Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't 1:21:53.640 --> 1:21:56.320 that big an ask? I'll be honest with you, Daniel 1:21:56.320 --> 1:21:58.360 de Martino at the Manhattan Institute, Thanks so much for 1:21:58.400 --> 1:21:58.599 the time. 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:00.360 Really interesting, Thank you. 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:02.920 Yeah, I mean the program makes sense, but then you're 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:05.720 gonna have the fields right, Well, you can't, you can't, Chary, 1:22:05.760 --> 1:22:08.000 you can't these people already, Oh my god, somebody's got 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:09.920 to stand up for the And then, of course, you know, 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:13.280 the thing stagnates, it gets water down, and what sounds 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:16.599 like a pretty decent plan winds up while costing his money. 1:22:17.000 --> 1:22:19.519 That's the way government works. Scott's Loan Show with News 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:22.280 in four minutes here seven hundred WLW Radio. 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:24.240 But embarrassing a game you had. 1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:27.040 Well in hand against the winless team at pay Corps 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:32.160 Stadium bends up thirty one sixteen and can't put it away. 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.679 Gave up what twenty three to twenty in the fourth 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:36.960 quarter thirty nine points to A guy was benched by 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:41.840 the worst team in football, justin Fields twenty one thirty two, 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:44.600 two hundred and forty four yards a TD and no 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:47.560 interceptions and coming off two games, by the way, with 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:51.040 a quarterback rating under sixty, so bad that his owner 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:54.439 demanded him to be benched, and he was until Tyrod 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:56.640 Taylor got hurt. And now you got Justin fieldsen Now 1:22:57.800 --> 1:23:00.280 he looks like every bit the guy they ought he 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:03.200 was when they got him. No Garrett Wilson, no Josh Reynolds, 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:07.880 one guy essentially on offense running the football beat the 1:23:07.960 --> 1:23:11.960 Bengals yesterday thirty nine thirty eight. The Bengals fall to 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:14.920 three and five with Chicago on the schedule next. James 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:17.800 rapenis here from SIS Bengals Talk dot com and the 1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:21.040 Daily Lockdown Bengals podcast. James, your head has to be 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:22.000 reeling this morning. 1:23:24.240 --> 1:23:30.000 Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, Scott, and I still 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.720 even now, would it at sixteen hours or whatever it 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:38.439 is removed? I cannot believe they lost that game. And 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:40.680 they had a fifteen. 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.920 Point lead in the fourth quarter, a fourteen point lead 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:46.080 in the fourth quarter, five different times they had a 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:49.080 double digit lead in that game. And yet we are 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:52.280 talking about a three and five team and a one 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:54.000 in five team without Joe Burrow. 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:57.120 I remember when the Bengals back in twenty eighteen, they 1:23:57.200 --> 1:24:00.160 lost like fifty one fourteen to the Saints and they 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:02.880 got last time they got smoked in twenty ten by 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:06.120 the Jets was thirty seven nothing. I thought, okay, that 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:09.240 forty seven to ten loss against Minnesota just a couple 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:12.720 of weeks ago, I thought that is that this is 1:24:12.880 --> 1:24:15.400 up there with one of the worst in Bengals, sister. 1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:17.400 I mean, think about this from a team that said 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:20.960 really really really low lows. Where in your mind, James 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:22.599 Rapine does this lost rank yesterday? 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:27.960 Well, this could very well end up being the. 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:33.680 Worst loss of the Zach Taylor era outside of you know, 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:36.680 the Super Bowl from a meaning standpoint, but when this 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:41.439 could do to this season and what would have happened 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:43.600 if they had won it versus what they could go 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:46.040 down in the past, they could go down now like 1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:48.840 this is this is one of those games where you're like, oh, well, 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:51.559 I wonder, I wonder what the twenty twenty five Bengals 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:53.400 would be like if they had won that game against 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:56.080 the right and instead they go on to win four 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:59.479 games total and they win one more game the rest 1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:01.360 of the way. I'm not saying that's going to happen, 1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:05.720 and I think there's enough talent, certainly on offense. But like, 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:10.160 it's how it feels today. That's how it felt after 1:25:10.320 --> 1:25:13.720 the games, and Jamar Chase is saying, ask Zach, and 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.439 that's a question for Zach, and it just it felt 1:25:16.560 --> 1:25:18.679 like that was a big, big moment. So I think 1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:23.160 historically at a huge game, huge loss because of what 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:24.400 it could mean moving forward. 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:26.960 Yeah, you mentioned the Super Bowl lost the Rams, but 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:29.000 that was the blanket. I'm literally a quarter of a 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.479 second he completes the ball, and it's a different story 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:34.160 the Bengals win the Super Bowl. We're that close. Bengals 1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:36.080 are that close. This is the exact opposite of that. 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:40.600 This was what a demoralizing defeat to come back to 1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:42.600 put it up by that much and then lose the 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:44.760 lead so many times and then at the end get 1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:46.400 beat essentially on a half back pass. 1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:48.880 Who's this on? Who do you blame? 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:50.920 Oh? 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:55.479 Yeah, that that is going to be something. There's layers 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:58.680 to it, and you know, you can certainly start with 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:01.920 the front office for thinking that they should run it 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:05.439 back with the defense. That's been as bad as the 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:08.680 defense was last year, and so for them to run 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:12.800 it back and do basically what they did is they 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:15.960 changed a few of the coaches, obviously defensive coordinator out 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:19.439 of Golden and then they said, oh, well, you know, 1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:22.719 we'll get a nose tackle in here. What they needed 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.880 one and that's going to fix it. Well it didn't 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:28.200 fix it. In fact, it's worse. This is the worst 1:26:28.240 --> 1:26:31.360 base fin They are dead last in points per game, 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:34.280 nearly thirty two points per game given up, dead last 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:37.200 and rushing yards per game, dead last in yards per game, 1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:41.120 third last, and passing yards per game. You see an 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:44.960 there like they stick. Their defensive line has had a 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:48.920 sack since Week five. Their last sack came in week 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:53.080 six when Gino Stone, a safety, had a sack on 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:58.280 Jordan Love in Green Bay. This defense stinks, and so 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:00.800 it starts with the front office. It isn't just there 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:03.519 is that Taylor picked out Golden Al Golden's not getting 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:03.880 it done. 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:05.120 Zach Taylor's the. 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:07.519 Head coach, so I always resort to that. I try 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:09.800 to remind people he's not just the offensive side, right, 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:13.400 he's the head coach. And so no, I think there's 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:16.400 plenty of blame to go around. It starts at the top. 1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:19.240 It certainly trickles down to the coaching staff as well. 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.360 When the coaches. Someone's got to step up and make 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:23.439 a play. Someone's got to step up and make a play. 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:26.360 The lack of playmakers, that's on Duke Tobin. 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:32.679 Sure, no doubt in that is with without a doubt 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:34.920 this defense. No one can debate it. 1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:39.040 Nobody. They do not have enough playmakers. And and we 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:43.280 saw that yesterday, and by playmakers. I can also just 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:46.439 break that down to guys who can tackle, Guys who 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:48.680 can run and hie off of the block and be 1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:50.759 a basic play can't tackle. 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:53.120 Wow, how do you look so good against Pittsburgh and 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:54.040 then lay this egg? 1:27:55.880 --> 1:28:01.160 Well they didn't. That's that's what's that's what's so concerning. 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:04.120 This isn't one bad quarter. Yeah, this was a. 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:06.320 Defense that tried to give away that pause first game 1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:10.800 and they let Pat fryer Mouth get open and give 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:14.200 up a sixty eight yard touchdown and move the league, 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:17.639 bumble the lead away. And yeah, they forced a couple 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:21.720 of turnovers, And I get that that's great, but you 1:28:21.840 --> 1:28:23.720 need to be able to get off the field and 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:27.679 when you're up fourteen with and I tweeted this playout 1:28:27.920 --> 1:28:30.960 last night, when you're up fourteen thirty eight twenty four 1:28:31.080 --> 1:28:34.560 eight minutes to go and the Jets are still comfortable 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:38.280 running the ball, Like that's that's the biggest advice. Like 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:41.360 that's so insulting, right, like so insulting, Like you never 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:43.000 see that across the league. I watched a ton of 1:28:43.120 --> 1:28:45.519 NFL football. If you're done two scores in the fourth quarter, 1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:46.280 very rarely. 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:48.280 You're not running the ball. You're not running the ball 1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:51.760 in there running like crazy. Yeah, but but that is 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:52.559 the only weapon. 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.479 I mean, look at the injuries that lovely oh and 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:58.320 seven New York Jets came in and everybody was hurt. 1:28:58.360 --> 1:28:59.400 We thought, oh, it was gonna be a get to 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:02.720 see Sauce Pardner homecoming weekend at you see see how 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:04.880 he matches up against Chase And that'd be kind of fun, 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:07.000 right because he shut him down last time. 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:07.879 Maybe some revenge. 1:29:08.120 --> 1:29:11.519 Now he's out, your top two, your receivers are Garrett 1:29:11.560 --> 1:29:15.920 Wilson's out. Everyone in the building knew and everyone watching 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:18.760 it new that Breese Hall was the only weapon they had. 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:21.640 The only threat you had was Breese Hall. How did 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:23.400 you hit one hundred and thirty three yards and what 1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:25.479 two touchdowns? And of course with the game winner? How 1:29:25.640 --> 1:29:26.479 is that possible? 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:30.640 And that's why I looked at the coaching because if 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:34.320 you pay attention to and I posted all the postgame comments, 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:37.479 but like Jamar Chase on the final drive when the 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:39.479 Bengals are down and if they gotta have a moment, 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:41.320 He's like, yeah, they ran double double on me and 1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:45.760 t because why they didn't want Jamar and hey, to 1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:47.920 beat them, so they double team both of those guys. 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:50.840 If you know Breese Hall is the only dude that 1:29:50.920 --> 1:29:55.240 can beat you realistically, is that there some way coaching 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:57.560 wise you can make sure he does not beat you. 1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:00.840 And he did over and over and over again in 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:04.519 the fourth quarter, when again they were so comfortable running 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:07.400 the ball and getting explosive runs and trunk plays on 1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:09.920 the ground that they were running the ball late in 1:30:09.960 --> 1:30:11.280 this game down two scores. 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:14.320 Back to the play calling Taylor and his Marvin S 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:16.559 clock management. I don't know what he was doing midfield, 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:19.160 and it runs it with forty two seconds left, one 1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:21.560 yard gain on a running play when you're trying to 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:24.639 score and then you're trying to hit Andre Joseavas twice 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:27.840 with the game on the line, you're completely a coach there. 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:30.240 What would you look at that and go, that's hip, 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:31.040 that's bush league. 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:35.120 Well, this is where coaching slash the offense comes in 1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:38.000 because as bad as the defense was, yeah, you're right, 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:41.960 the offense still could have done it. Could We could 1:30:41.960 --> 1:30:43.840 have been talking about a four and fourteen that needs 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:45.559 to figure out the defense. But hey, they went too 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:48.479 straight and so games on the line, you get a 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:52.080 first down by hanging it off the chase Brown and 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:53.960 so all right, you're at the forty five yard line. 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:56.640 I like the first down play to andre Yosavash. It 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:59.559 was a it was a steam ball. It's really tough 1:30:59.640 --> 1:31:01.519 cashing and catch it clean and then he gets hit. 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:04.200 But like, I like the idea of it, because if 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:07.040 that ball is complete, your infield goal range boom right 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:10.160 away second bound and this is where it falls apart 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:13.240 is you run it with p Ryan, don't get it, 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:15.439 have to call it time out. Now it's third and long. 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:17.760 Guess what the whole world knows you're gonna throw it yep, 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:20.000 and it makes it. It makes it much much tougher. 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:23.240 Joe Flacko has to throw it away. Fourth down. Guess 1:31:23.280 --> 1:31:25.240 what they do. They take away the bengals two best 1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:27.400 players by double teaming them, and then you have to 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:30.000 go to andre Jo Sabash and so yeah, I totally 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:33.400 get that. So the second down run is a huge play. 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:36.000 And then then on the drive fire they had to 1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:38.880 punt give the ball back to the Jets and they're 1:31:38.920 --> 1:31:42.680 only up six. The fact that you don't run it, 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:46.040 the fact that you're just passing on that drive and 1:31:46.160 --> 1:31:49.439 you go three and out. That's another area. So like 1:31:49.520 --> 1:31:52.599 when things started to get tight, the Bengals got tight 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:54.840 on offense, they needed to get one more score and 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:56.519 at that point, you know it, you know you're going 1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.400 to have to score one more time, and they didn't. 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:04.240 And so yeah, I do think that the defense is 1:32:04.240 --> 1:32:06.120 going to take a ton of blame, and rightfully so. 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:08.680 We spent plenty of time talking about the defense. But 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:12.000 this offense and Zach Taylor, they should have, could have 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:13.560 and didn't. 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:15.719 Deliver with the game on the line on those final 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:17.479 two jogs as good as they were all day long, 1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:20.360 and I did it thirty eight points five, but forty 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.400 one is what it took to win the game, and 1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:23.960 they needed to go get a field goal and they 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:24.680 didn't do it right. 1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:26.439 And it's not the tail and it's the play calling. 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:30.200 This questionable, But above that is the defensive coaching. You 1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:32.880 know what's changed with Al Golding replacing lou Anaruma that 1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:35.200 they gave up over five hundred yards total offense to 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:38.560 the freaking Jets. Jets haven't had that much offense and 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:40.759 like flat well since the last time they played the Bengals. 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:43.040 I think eleven. 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:45.080 Sacks Bengals in the cellar the league there they can't 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:48.200 rush the pass or you can't stop the run. And 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:50.840 this is what a bad Jets team, made worse by 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:54.240 the fact that all their quote unquote stars were pretty 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:57.400 much out except for Briest Hall, who killed you. And 1:32:57.560 --> 1:32:59.880 so I look at that and go defensively, all right, 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.560 we got al Golden, they're great. Lou Anroumo seems to 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:06.200 be doing a k and Indy, yeah he does. 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:12.000 And that's that was what lou was frustrated with. Like, 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:14.599 he was frustrated with the lack of talent, right yep. 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:17.120 And and the Bengal said, well, we've given you. 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:17.599 A lot of talent. 1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:20.679 We've invested all these draft picks, and and that's where 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:25.840 the disconnect was. And I think, one you better get 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:28.760 better at drafting too. I do think Lou was wrong 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:31.360 in the tooth here and there were some things that 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:34.280 needed to change, so like, but clearly it wasn't just 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:37.960 really Lou wasn't just a bad man and way off 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:40.720 his rocker and wrong and you know, and that's what 1:33:40.800 --> 1:33:44.400 we're seeing. And that's that's what I think is it 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:47.200 could be such a why this could be such a 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:51.560 era defining, not just season defining, era defining. 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:54.679 Loss, because I feel like if we if we looked 1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:56.479 off a few months from now, when we're talking about 1:33:56.520 --> 1:33:58.879 a new coaching staff and changes to the front office 1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:02.160 and all these things that could come, well, guess what 1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:04.160 you're going to point to that Judge game where if 1:34:04.200 --> 1:34:07.200 they win their four and four their half game back 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.559 in the North because the Packers sable business last night. 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:13.439 What a missed opportunity by this Bengals team to not 1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:17.400 get back to five hundred and be right there in 1:34:17.479 --> 1:34:20.880 the division and instead you you fumble it away, you. 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:22.680 Know, Patty, you look at Pittsburgh. Man, it's a game 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:23.479 that probably should liten. 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:23.920 They want to win. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:26.519 In that game, everybody feels good. No one said up, 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:28.760 you know the Jets are going to come in and 1:34:28.840 --> 1:34:31.160 beat the Bess. I thought, you know, going in and like, 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:33.920 hey watch out and seventeams man, oh and seven teams 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.000 oh in any team right in any league. They're a 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:39.040 dangerous team. They'll do anything to win. But then you 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:41.639 saw the injuris like there's no way, there's no way 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:42.840 they can pull off this win. 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:44.080 And yet they did. 1:34:44.720 --> 1:34:46.920 And as much as you talk about okay, well, Luina 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:48.920 Roumo long in the tooth, put Al Golden in their 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:51.519 new systems. It's the talent that they're getting, you know 1:34:51.560 --> 1:34:54.120 what I mean. Miles Murphy Shamar Stewart aren't getting the 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:57.080 Bengals enough production in the investment they made. Let's face it, 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:01.559 Miles Murphy's not exactly in the house down here. Stuart Okay, 1:35:01.680 --> 1:35:03.360 he sat out miss four games of the ankle. I 1:35:03.439 --> 1:35:07.080 get that he was non existent. CTV Logan will sing 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:08.439 good run on the list all the guys that they 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:10.519 brought back too, and said, Okay, we're just gonna stand 1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:14.320 pat here. Look what's happening. That's that's above El Golden, 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.040 that's above Zach Taylor. 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:21.000 Sure, there's no doubt. And I think. 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:27.479 That's why when they during free agency, because I'm really known, 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:30.760 like there's not there's not someone in Cincinnati media that 1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:34.160 pushes for free agents and veterans more than me. I'm 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:36.280 really loud about it because I want them to do it. 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:38.360 And so guess what I've been loud about. I've been 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:39.920 loud about it since I worked with Mo every day 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:42.920 down right right. I just I want them to make 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:45.000 moves because guess what, that's what wins in the NFL 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:45.800 in twenty twenty five. 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:47.559 You gotta be agress. You've got to go get guys 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:51.000 you just do, and they didn't. They're big. Their big 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:53.840 move this offseason was getting Jamar and t done during 1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:56.519 free agency when they could be talking to these other guys. 1:35:56.400 --> 1:36:00.320 Right and by dragged that whole thing out. And it's 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:01.040 just and Trey. 1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:02.880 That's it. 1:36:03.160 --> 1:36:05.960 Yeah, I mean, it's just all of those that can 1:36:06.040 --> 1:36:08.800 wait till after mid March when you need to be 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:12.040 focused on bringing an outside talent that can stop the 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:14.400 run and tackle and do all of the things, the 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:16.439 basic things that you need to do as an NFL 1:36:16.479 --> 1:36:19.040 football player that happens to play on defense. 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:23.360 And so that's where that's where it started. And then 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:25.519 it's like, oh, well, maybe the scheme will work and 1:36:25.600 --> 1:36:27.120 some of these rookies will work and some of these 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:30.000 young players will play better and all those things. It 1:36:30.760 --> 1:36:31.200 just has not. 1:36:31.640 --> 1:36:33.800 It has not worked. I mean, I agree with you. 1:36:33.920 --> 1:36:36.679 How do Schamar Stewart not have a quarterback hit yesterday 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:39.000 against you know, like you need. 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:41.479 Him to be that guy and he just hasn't been 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:43.880 that s Is that coaching? Is it bad drafting? Is 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:44.200 it not? 1:36:44.760 --> 1:36:46.960 I think that that's all should be on the table. 1:36:47.840 --> 1:36:50.479 And I'll mention too, they're one superstar. And Trey Hendrickson 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:52.240 he got that light bio as a cheap shots. What 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:55.360 it looked like to me, the way he glept off 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:57.400 that field with that hit. Again, I don't know when 1:36:57.439 --> 1:36:58.679 he's coming back. I really don't. 1:36:59.600 --> 1:37:02.120 Yeah, I mean I agree, it would be a cheap shot, 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:06.439 borderline dirty, you might call it dirty. And and yeah, 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:08.800 now where is your pass rush? Where is it coming from? 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:12.000 Shamar Stewart. We knew he was a raw prospect, but 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:14.120 you need it, you got to have it now. And 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:14.720 they didn't get it. 1:37:14.760 --> 1:37:16.639 And the Bears are better than the get Jets, that's 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:18.040 for sure. And they're coming to town Sunday. 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:22.719 Everyone's better than the Jets. That Jets teams still terrible. 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.560 That Jets teams stinks, So for them to lose to that, 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:29.439 I mean, it's just there's we're not going to look 1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:30.920 back at the five weeks would be like, oh, we 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:34.519 see you. The Judgs were good. No they're not, no, no, no, no, 1:37:34.920 --> 1:37:35.439 just terrible. 1:37:35.880 --> 1:37:39.559 James Rapine with Bengals Talk dot Com Lockedown Bengals Podcast. 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:41.840 He should be doing two podcasts four podcasts today with 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:43.880 all this material. But I won't tell you how to 1:37:43.920 --> 1:37:45.800 you do your job, James, but somebody need to tell 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:47.200 the Bengals, the defense. 1:37:46.880 --> 1:37:49.320 How to do their job, to do their job. 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:51.880 I understand that the Bengals defense was in charge of 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:55.880 the Marty Brennman statue guarding it the night the microphone 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:58.680 got stolen. So I don't know what the hell to 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:01.320 make of anything in this town with our sports teams. 1:38:01.360 --> 1:38:04.120 I really really don't. The Bengals were just got awful yesterday. 1:38:04.160 --> 1:38:06.240 There's no excuse for it, and I've been around long 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:08.320 enough to know it's not gonna change anytime soon. James, 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:09.320 all the best, Buddy, appreciate it. 1:38:10.400 --> 1:38:12.400 I heard they tried to tackle the guy who took 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:14.280 the mic. They got away. 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:17.679 He got away right in the end zone. Well the microphone, 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:19.040 see you, buddy, appreciate it. Got to get to a 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:21.880 news update here Cunningham on the way afterwards here home. 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.160 The best Bengals coverage or the worst Bengals coverage seven 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:24.840 hundred wo