Speaker 1: I'm as sick as you are. Bengals lose yesterday. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that later on this morning on the Scott
Speaker 1: Floan Show on seven hundred w ODA. But in the
Speaker 1: meantime we know religion and politics that the line has
Speaker 1: been blurred. It used to be two things that don't
Speaker 1: talking about religion and politics. Then we started talking about it,
Speaker 1: and now those two things have come together and the
Speaker 1: line is blurred. And when that happens, you tend to
Speaker 1: not question the people who are doing the bidding for you.
Speaker 1: And you went up with the crisis and government that
Speaker 1: we have not solely because of religion and politics and
Speaker 1: all that. I'm not saying that at all, but it
Speaker 1: certainly allows more will room and more cover to do
Speaker 1: what you want, even though it may be in your
Speaker 1: worst interest. Pat Hurley is an expert in logic and
Speaker 1: word intersects with religion and how it's averted by authority.
Speaker 1: Doctor Hurley, Good morning, How are.
Speaker 2: You very good? Scott?
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: You know, having gone to school and I here have
Speaker 1: friends again. I'm taking logic this semester and everyone got
Speaker 1: a bad grade in logic because it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was oh this should be a pretty good course. You know,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting, and it's really hard. Why is that
Speaker 1: logic seems like it should be rather easy.
Speaker 3: Well, logic really involves something. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: college courses these days you all to sit back, take
Speaker 3: it easy, but you actually have to learn something. You know,
Speaker 3: sign up for a logic for it. There's a genuine
Speaker 3: material there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You can't just simply through it.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe I just had to surround myself with dumb friends.
Speaker 1: I'm guilty.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The thing is, today especially people believe things merely because
Speaker 1: they want to believe them. We put all our prejudices,
Speaker 1: We have all those prejudices in our mind because we
Speaker 1: can't put that aside and go okay, let's let me
Speaker 1: think about this from a factual standpoint, and.
Speaker 2: We have we lost our ability to do that.
Speaker 1: Or maybe this is me being old, doctor Hurley, is
Speaker 1: that maybe we were just never good at it to
Speaker 1: begin with, what's the truth?
Speaker 3: Well, it is something that you have to commit yourself too.
Speaker 3: And going back to what you start, what you said
Speaker 3: at the beginning. I do think that there is a
Speaker 3: decline in critical thinking nowadays, and I think this is
Speaker 3: suggested by at least two things. One is the growth
Speaker 3: of these unfounded conspiracy theories. They seem to be coming
Speaker 3: out of a woodwork and to the person who believes them,
Speaker 3: and they look like beautiful structures, you know, gorgeous castles,
Speaker 3: but they're castles in the air and they're not supported
Speaker 3: by anything. And then the second thing I think is,
Speaker 3: as you said, people seem to believe anything they want
Speaker 3: these days. They believe anything they read on the internet,
Speaker 3: anything they hear on TV. And I think the problem
Speaker 3: in both cases is a lack of evidence. There's no
Speaker 3: evidence to support these things. So what's worse? People think
Speaker 3: that evidence is not necessary. I just believe anything that
Speaker 3: you want. But critical thinking mean supporting your views and
Speaker 3: believes with evidence. And you might wonder, you know, what
Speaker 3: is the cause of this? Well, they have many causes,
Speaker 3: you know, lack of familiar familiarity with logic if I
Speaker 3: picked up logick cook and steady maybe sometimes, But I
Speaker 3: think religion plays a role in this. Religion blade plays
Speaker 3: a big role in practically everything when many people think
Speaker 3: and believe.
Speaker 1: And I know it's kind of different things, but I
Speaker 1: think you can be you know, scientific and critical, but
Speaker 1: also be a firm believer in God. Those two things
Speaker 1: are mutually exclusive, are they?
Speaker 3: I think he can for the couples a lot of
Speaker 3: people who are not doing it. You may recall that
Speaker 3: story of the doubting Thomas from the Gospel of John.
Speaker 2: Trained as a Christian anyway, and.
Speaker 3: The way the story went, the apostle Thomas was present
Speaker 3: with the other apostles and who were telling the story
Speaker 3: that Jesus had risen from the dead, and Thomas said, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to believe it until I put my
Speaker 3: fingers into the wounds in his hands and my hand
Speaker 3: into the wound in his side. And he just wasn't
Speaker 3: going to have anything to do with it. But then
Speaker 3: miraculously Jesus showed up he apparently allowed him to do that,
Speaker 3: and then he became a believer. Well, the point of
Speaker 3: this story, I think is that it's better to believe
Speaker 3: without having evidence. There's something holy about believing without evidence.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Religious religious belief brings higher kinds of truth, a higher
Speaker 3: kind of knowledge about God and related things. And there's
Speaker 3: another another problem I think that goes with this. Faith
Speaker 3: of course means belief without evidence, and faith play plays
Speaker 3: a big role in many people's religious fact every religion.
Speaker 3: But then there are books like the Bible and the
Speaker 3: Torah and the Kloran, and people believe that these things
Speaker 3: contain the absolute final truths about everything. If you can
Speaker 3: find it in the Bible, there you in your need.
Speaker 3: But the problem is the Bible hasn't been found to
Speaker 3: be wrong about hundreds of things, and people don't look
Speaker 3: at that. So this is sometimes called the fallacy of
Speaker 3: the perfect dictionary. You want to know the meaning of
Speaker 3: a word, you want to know where some about something
Speaker 3: came from it. If it's in the Bible, that's all
Speaker 3: you need to do, and the same thing for the
Speaker 3: for the Quran and the Taurus. But I would argue
Speaker 3: that there's absolutely no book anywhere that contains every single truth.
Speaker 3: But people don't don't recognize this, and they carry this maximum.
Speaker 3: You know, if it's in the Bible or some other sort,
Speaker 3: that's all you need, and they carry it into politics
Speaker 3: in ordinary life and some political figure, some guru you know,
Speaker 3: comes out and says something that's it. You don't need
Speaker 3: to even think further about it.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, well, I think I think also part of
Speaker 1: this Doctor Hurley too, Once you brought up at the
Speaker 1: Bible is that it doesn't answer everything. But here's the
Speaker 1: problem is you have this this sacred text, but it's
Speaker 1: up to human interpretation. And so you can read a
Speaker 1: passage from the Bible and for one religion it means
Speaker 1: one thing, and for some other religion it means something else,
Speaker 1: which is why you have what over four thousand different
Speaker 1: interpretations of of worship or a deity or whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. And you're just hoping your guys, right, that's
Speaker 1: basically what.
Speaker 3: That's That's absolutely true. But I think the cure for
Speaker 3: this kind of thing is to educate yourself, you know,
Speaker 3: become a little bit more educated about what religion is
Speaker 3: and where.
Speaker 2: It came from.
Speaker 3: And recently most of my writings are the fancy then
Speaker 3: about logic, But recently.
Speaker 2: I wrote a book called Religion, Power and Illusion, Genealogy of.
Speaker 3: Religious Beliefs, and it offers an explanation for where religion
Speaker 3: came from and why it is the way it is,
Speaker 3: and why do religious leaders have so much power? Why
Speaker 3: does religion have rituals and festivals? Why is religion run
Speaker 3: by priests? Who are people that I call priests? And
Speaker 3: why is faith so important? And why does religion involve
Speaker 3: where worship and sacrifice. So that's that's really the focus
Speaker 3: of this book intended to explain things and doesn't just
Speaker 3: throw mud at religion like many recent books to do,
Speaker 3: but it tries to give you reasons why you know
Speaker 3: it is the way it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because you're going to have people exploiting religion
Speaker 1: for their own benefit. I mean, I think of the televangelists,
Speaker 1: for example, the Prosperity Gospel. It's a nothing but multi
Speaker 1: level marketing is what it is. It's a pyramid scheme
Speaker 1: and your money floats to the top and you may
Speaker 1: not have to give. Now that's your choice. And I
Speaker 1: think the problem is a lot of this gets in
Speaker 1: the way of understanding God and having that belief and
Speaker 1: that faith, because we want people to interpret stuff for
Speaker 1: us all the time, which is your point about logic
Speaker 1: and religion. And this is why I'm talking to doctor
Speaker 1: Pat Hurley this morning about this in the intersection of
Speaker 1: those two things that when blended with politics, tends to
Speaker 1: morph your worldview, and it's politicizing religion and vice versa,
Speaker 1: and that discourages critical thinking and promotes blind faith. And
Speaker 1: you want that in religion. If you believe in one god,
Speaker 1: if you live in your God, whatever det that is.
Speaker 1: But that's really dangerous in politics. Was there time in
Speaker 1: the world or in America when when we are much
Speaker 1: better at being logical.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there was. And the problem is that
Speaker 3: emotion seems to back most of the things that we
Speaker 3: think nowadays, you know, and part of its religion get
Speaker 3: to this sub polarization that we find when we find
Speaker 3: in society emotion runs the rules of today and practically
Speaker 3: in every case, if emotion competes with reason, emotion is
Speaker 3: going to win. Unfortunately, that's that's the problem, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think if we just settled down, I think
Speaker 3: for what we are doing, we may come back, you know,
Speaker 3: perhaps the earlier times where we thought through things a
Speaker 3: little bit more thoroughly. But anyway, this book that I
Speaker 3: that I have written traces religion back twelve thousand years
Speaker 3: all the way to the Neolithic period, and that was
Speaker 3: the time that people began the abandoned the hunter, gathered
Speaker 3: our lifestyle and.
Speaker 2: They settle down in communities.
Speaker 3: To raise crops. And what happened at that time twelve
Speaker 3: thousand years ago, there were some very clever spituals who
Speaker 3: thought to themselves, wow, if I could figure out some
Speaker 3: way of improving the cop yield, know, that would be
Speaker 3: really popular among my group, right, And that's what they did.
Speaker 3: That's what they did.
Speaker 2: They have they that, you know, the.
Speaker 3: Seeds and the field and the rain and the sun
Speaker 3: and the wind and the warm temperatures with gods, and
Speaker 3: then they persuaded the people in the community that they
Speaker 3: could communicate with those gods, they could bargain with those gods,
Speaker 3: you know, for a better harvest. And that turned out
Speaker 3: that the harvest was good. Well, of course, then the
Speaker 3: people in the community rewarded these team these are shamans
Speaker 3: I call them. I call them these a proto priests.
Speaker 3: This is where priests came from, rewarded them with all
Speaker 3: kinds of power. They gave them wealth and control, social status,
Speaker 3: good living conditions, madeing opportunities.
Speaker 2: And so on.
Speaker 3: And these were the first priests. And this pattern of
Speaker 3: priests creating gods, you know, and then persuading the people
Speaker 3: that they could bargain with those stuffs has continued for
Speaker 3: twelve thousand years. And it's the very same thing. The
Speaker 3: three seasons lives behind them. The main religions today Christianity, Judaism,
Speaker 3: and well, so people you know, would come to the
Speaker 3: real if they would conclude that what I've said in
Speaker 3: this book is correct, they would see religion in a
Speaker 3: different life and they would see that maybe just because
Speaker 3: it comes out of the mouth of some shama, it's
Speaker 3: not a good reason to believe it. And just because
Speaker 3: it comes out of the mouth of some political leader, again,
Speaker 3: it's not a good good reason to believe it.
Speaker 1: Is it just easier for us as human beings to
Speaker 1: have someone go okay, they seem to have all the answers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're affiable, they have a charisma about them that.
Speaker 2: It's more important.
Speaker 1: And I think it's also part of the tribalism that
Speaker 1: we've seen too talk talking about ancient history is obvious
Speaker 1: believe that, you know, for a lot of people, it
Speaker 1: seems more important to be part of the tribe than
Speaker 1: it is to be independent. And go, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: now you're saying this, but this is true. Also, how
Speaker 1: to these coincides? Because you don't want to be the
Speaker 1: person challenging it's the Thompson gazelle, right, You want to
Speaker 1: be the gazelle standing out near the pond. When the
Speaker 1: rest of the pack is gone, because then the predator
Speaker 1: is going to come and eat your head off. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of what I think people think these days too.
Speaker 1: We're kind of seeing a reversion, you know. We're kind
Speaker 1: of addressing into that, aren't we.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think we are.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And this tribalism that you mentioned, of course goes back
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of years of a pre historic time,
Speaker 3: and we're seeing, you know, a new eruption of this,
Speaker 3: brought on, I think by by the disparity that that
Speaker 3: people have an interview, by the diversity of opinions, and
Speaker 3: by the emotion and come to the surface. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: is the question of a survival and if you stick
Speaker 3: your head out first, so be very careful, and they're
Speaker 3: not careful.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Critical thinking means being careful with what you believe. It
Speaker 3: means having evidence to support your views. That's that's what
Speaker 3: it is. People have to come back to that, they
Speaker 3: have to abandon this tribalism that you see today and
Speaker 3: and and come to see that it's important to speak
Speaker 3: ahead on what you believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but unfortunately we have political leaders that don't espouse that.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's part of politics too. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it's the shaman of old days and we've ascribed
Speaker 1: that no out of political leaders on both sides of
Speaker 1: the which is part of the screaming and pandering that
Speaker 1: goes on, and that's that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2: How what role is education? Now?
Speaker 1: You have worked for years and as an educator, as
Speaker 1: a professor of logic, and you study this for a
Speaker 1: long time, But is education is our educational system to
Speaker 1: blame here too?
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 3: I think in recent years we've seen a dumbing down
Speaker 3: of the curriculums and that I think is really really unfortunate,
Speaker 3: and we teach all kinds of things that people uh
Speaker 3: compared with basket weaving and snow and stuff. I think
Speaker 3: in recent years this has come come to that a
Speaker 3: lot of our courses thought in the university don't have
Speaker 3: any content really to speak of. And that's that's really
Speaker 3: really as a basis, I think there were a lot
Speaker 3: of this and a lot of schools don't teach logic anymore,
Speaker 3: which is unfortunate. Project used to be one of the
Speaker 3: seven liberal arts, you know, and uh, it's forgot be
Speaker 3: where the liberal arts you know or all about.
Speaker 1: There's almost a conspiracy theory there right as they want
Speaker 1: us dumb.
Speaker 3: It is onto something, but there's maybe a founded conspiracy
Speaker 3: there is not unbounded. There's evidence. I think that what's happening,
Speaker 3: you know, to our educational system in these days.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I didn't really start thinking like
Speaker 1: this until I was out of school, I think, which
Speaker 1: is a sad indictment of my my education. Doctor Patrick
Speaker 1: Curley on the show on seven hundred WLW, he taught
Speaker 1: logic for a long time. It's always a hard class,
Speaker 1: but how to put your prejudices aside, like religion, power
Speaker 1: and illusion, And I think it gives some context for
Speaker 1: going through here. Typically politically in a mayor Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: we have about twenty percent of extremes and probably less
Speaker 1: than that on both sides on the on the right
Speaker 1: and on the left, and the rest of us kind
Speaker 1: of just sit in the middle of the independent. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why maybe there's hope here. Something like I just
Speaker 1: saw a new poll forty two percent of Americans consider
Speaker 1: themselves independent, which would make them the large make us
Speaker 1: I guess, the largest political party in the United States.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people are getting tired
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 3: They are, and there are extremes on the right and
Speaker 3: the left. An Aristotle that I think best, you know,
Speaker 3: in the middle stands virtue and the US just going
Speaker 3: to the middle, and I think they may restore these
Speaker 3: maybe the people who restore sanity in this situation, at
Speaker 3: least I hope they do. I'm a little closer myself, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like this is maybe the
Speaker 1: end of that. But I don't know. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: generational thing with baby boomers. I'm not sure, but doctor
Speaker 1: Patrick Curley, Religion, Power and Illusion. Thanks again for the time, appreciate.
Speaker 3: It, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Take care. We've got to talk about the inevitable.
Speaker 1: The Bengal arguably one of the worst losses of all time,
Speaker 1: and that's saying a lot for this franchise. We also
Speaker 1: have the thievery in front of Great American Ballpark. Now
Speaker 1: only we get kicked in the crotch yesterday at Pekar.
Speaker 1: He got kicked in the crotch at gabp All in
Speaker 1: the same day. We'll get to that right after news
Speaker 1: Sloany on seven hundred WLW. iHeart Scott's blowing back on
Speaker 1: seven hundred w LW lost the cover on this Monday morning,
Speaker 1: and hey, Monday morning, we're coming back just being in pain. Well,
Speaker 1: we got just absolutely shafted, got boned over the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. I mean, first of all, you get
Speaker 1: the Bengals and a horrific loss, and arguably, if you've
Speaker 1: been a long suffering Bengals fan, this one that this
Speaker 1: loss feels like it's among the worst. The other indignity
Speaker 1: And Tom Brenneman just an hour agohead his dad on
Speaker 1: Marty Brenneman, somebody stole the microphone from the brand spaky
Speaker 1: new Marty Brenneman statue in front of Great American Ballpark,
Speaker 1: broke the mind microphone off. Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's like the two guys still missing from the Louver heist.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who's now now they're still in the
Speaker 1: Brenneman statue pieces from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: What's this world coming to?
Speaker 1: I wonder if the Bengals defense had any to do
Speaker 1: with guarding Marty statue.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. I have to look.
Speaker 1: An investigation is forthcoming, as we'll roll, But what an
Speaker 1: embarrassing loss if you invested your time the hell if
Speaker 1: you went down to the stadium yesterday expecting a beatdown
Speaker 1: and making it, you know, the Bengals rolling, they get
Speaker 1: to even all as well and good. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: how sick in your stomach and the pit of your
Speaker 1: stomach he must feel, having invested all that time and
Speaker 1: hope that this should be a lock. Right, you look
Speaker 1: at the schedule and go, dah, there's no question about
Speaker 1: Bengals got this. We look right past the Jets, and
Speaker 1: you should have because the Jets are bad football. There's
Speaker 1: a reason that they're well were until yesterday. It went seven.
Speaker 1: In addition to being bad, all their guys were hurt.
Speaker 1: You had one guy it bris Hall, that was it.
Speaker 1: You had a running back that's it, justin Fields was
Speaker 1: terr You got benched. His quarterback rating was less than
Speaker 1: sixty from the past two games, and you lost to
Speaker 1: that guy. I mean, he put up some some really
Speaker 1: good numbers, no interceptions, a touchdown, two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: four yards. Fine, good enough to win. Good, But the
Speaker 1: Bengals offense was just so much better. And I would
Speaker 1: say that the play calling and of course the level
Speaker 1: of talent on defense are the two big issues for
Speaker 1: this football team, and there's a low looking past that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, we got of that conversation where I think, go, okay,
Speaker 1: well you change your defensive coordinator. Well you know Shamar Stewart,
Speaker 1: it's going to take a well, well yeah, you're with
Speaker 1: it on draft picks on defense, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think that's I mean, you blame the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: arout Ol Golden, and I think that, you know, some
Speaker 1: of Zach's play calling was certainly questionable, especially down the stretch,
Speaker 1: and that's fair, but that's not like, Okay, who do
Speaker 1: we blame? Who's this on? Is to be the big question?
Speaker 1: And I can't help but look at it, and there's
Speaker 1: a core thing going on here, and that is the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, they were mess around with contract
Speaker 1: with Trey hendricks In and getting getting receivers under contract
Speaker 1: and how are they going to get this done? And
Speaker 1: then and really didn't do anything in the off season
Speaker 1: to address the big concerns. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they just stood pat with the guys they had because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to spend the money. That's above Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: that's above Al Golton, that's above the players on the field,
Speaker 1: that's front off of stuff. So we're back to that
Speaker 1: conversation again, the ugly conversation that quite honestly, the Brown
Speaker 1: family doesn't want us to have because now you're casting
Speaker 1: dispersions on their ability to draft, on their ability to
Speaker 1: run football operations. And that's what it's coming down to.
Speaker 1: I mean, explain to me if it's indeed a coaching
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is different. Just come coaching. They're not
Speaker 1: going to fire Zach Taylor. He's been to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl of the Century, so he's good for another one
Speaker 1: hundred years. You got rid of Loui Anrumo who went
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis and how they do and they're what they're
Speaker 1: seven to one, pretty good, pretty good football team. He's doing.
Speaker 1: His defense is pretty good. Right, that's the same guy
Speaker 1: they ran out of town here. And so you bring
Speaker 1: Al Golden while he's going to coach up the he's
Speaker 1: gonna coach up these guys. Schmar is still he's gonna coach.
Speaker 1: He's got Shamar Stewart has been terrible. I mean he's
Speaker 1: literally done nothing. And you could talk about the holdout,
Speaker 1: you could talk about the ankle injury, and he missed
Speaker 1: the Mond Okay, great, but if you have that god
Speaker 1: given ability, you're gonna at least make some places, especially
Speaker 1: against a horrible line like the Jets have nothing. At
Speaker 1: some point you got to start looking above the coaching
Speaker 1: and okay, well, these players are bad. Well why do
Speaker 1: they have bad players? Why are they drafting poor players?
Speaker 1: Why are they hitting on the wrong guys. It's a
Speaker 1: fair question ask, and that falls squarely on the feet
Speaker 1: of Duke Tobin and everyone else above him for that matter.
Speaker 1: Thirty nine thirty eight they lose yesterday. That's about as
Speaker 1: embarrassing as it gets. I was thinking back in history
Speaker 1: and I had to look it up. Last time they
Speaker 1: one of the teams that really smoked him was like
Speaker 1: twenty seven, nothing like fifteen years ago to the same
Speaker 1: New York Jets team. Apparently the Jets have their number,
Speaker 1: but fortunately only play them every so often.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know how you stood that didn't
Speaker 1: leave that game yesterday not sick to your stomach. I
Speaker 1: really really don't. That's embarrassing. And a team that's had
Speaker 1: some really embarrassing losses, let's face it, you beat the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. Defense was okay, it was good enough to win.
Speaker 1: But man, in this game yesterday though, it was It's
Speaker 1: just inexplicable how poorly they played against the worst team
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. You can go out again
Speaker 1: in Sunday and they were, you know, nothing more desperate
Speaker 1: than a winless team. I get all that stuff, but
Speaker 1: they were so hurt, they were so decimated with injuries.
Speaker 1: They had one weapon they're running back, and he torched
Speaker 1: it for like one hundred and thirty plus yards. Makes
Speaker 1: no sense. You had one job. All you got to
Speaker 1: do is stop that guy from running the ball, and
Speaker 1: they were running the ball in the fourth quarter to
Speaker 1: show you how confident they were. M really makes you
Speaker 1: want to rip your head out, or your your head off,
Speaker 1: or maybe your hair out. Maybe your head and your hair.
Speaker 2: That's that bad. We're done.
Speaker 1: We're beyond ripping hair out. We're ripping our own heads
Speaker 1: off right now?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: What else is going on in this world of ours?
Speaker 1: I hate to start it with such a downer. Always
Speaker 1: try to look something positive on Monday morning. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many of those those things are going on.
Speaker 1: Later on in the show, We're going to get ten
Speaker 1: oh seven this morning. Kurt Ribers on from Freestore Food Bank.
Speaker 1: We are now in the stage of the shutdown where
Speaker 1: you're starting to feel its effects. You know, in the
Speaker 1: early stages, first couple of weeks, for first two three
Speaker 1: weeks in this thing, it's all theater. And I said that, look,
Speaker 1: this is you know, when you're closing national parks and
Speaker 1: not cutting grass and picking up trash, and you know
Speaker 1: you're still doing construction on the White House. Army Navy
Speaker 1: football game is tell you the service academies that are
Speaker 1: doing what they we're paying soldiers. Okay, all, well, I'm good.
Speaker 1: The first few weeks of this thing is theater. Then
Speaker 1: you know, federal employees, okay, we're not getting a pay
Speaker 1: check office start and it's like, okay, get a little
Speaker 1: more serious, but still not that serious. Now you're talking
Speaker 1: about snap benefits and stuff and people not eating. That's
Speaker 1: a different story. And we'll see what happens on Saturday
Speaker 1: if they can't find the money to keep people fed
Speaker 1: in this country, I mean, think of it. We are
Speaker 1: collectively a nation of largely fat bastards. We have more
Speaker 1: food than we can possibly eat. We throw more food
Speaker 1: out than most nations can produce, and at the same
Speaker 1: time we have hungry people. You don't have to be
Speaker 1: a diet in the world, progressive liberal, handwringing, tree hugging
Speaker 1: democrat to not feel for your fellow man, especially if
Speaker 1: you're I would say, if you're a Christian, do you
Speaker 1: look at that and go that's that's horrific. But that
Speaker 1: is part and parcel for what we're talking about. With
Speaker 1: a government that only cares about their party, you know
Speaker 1: you think they both care, they care about people. Now,
Speaker 1: this is putting party over politics. And when we have
Speaker 1: a shutdown that continues to plot along. When you get
Speaker 1: to that thirty day mark, and there's a reason why
Speaker 1: this is the second longest in history. The longest was
Speaker 1: thirty five days, and thirty five days about the breaking
Speaker 1: point where they say, okay, we got a we got
Speaker 1: said this very well. Maybe what happens Saturday, if we
Speaker 1: get to that point, might be the wake up call
Speaker 1: for this to change. But once you get past thirty
Speaker 1: days and it goes from theater into reality, and we'll
Speaker 1: see that on Saturday with the with the snap cuts,
Speaker 1: and both sides are just so dug in because of
Speaker 1: the events. They're winning the political and pr battle. That's
Speaker 1: all it is. They just look at their internals, They
Speaker 1: look at their poll and go, oh, there our supporters.
Speaker 1: There are one hundred percent with us year. They want
Speaker 1: us to continue this fight. Well great, But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: don't like normal people, regular people, friends, family members, co workers, neighbors.
Speaker 1: Don't they get squeezed out? You know the idea that
Speaker 1: I understand that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but
Speaker 1: they also tend to die of very slow death. You know,
Speaker 1: the idea that the people getting snap benefits are like
Speaker 1: a bunch of welfare queens and kings that simply sit around,
Speaker 1: exist on government benefits and don't produce anything. The Ball
Speaker 1: and Kurtil talk about this after ten o'clock. The bulk
Speaker 1: of people or on that are actually working people and
Speaker 1: working families, folks who are working multiple jobs that still
Speaker 1: can't keep their head above water. That's an indictment of
Speaker 1: our system for sure. Dems think Republicans are going to
Speaker 1: shoulder the blame because they run washing and Trump dominates.
Speaker 1: The political sphaesots all on them. The only thing that
Speaker 1: they're above water on the Democrats talk about a you
Speaker 1: think Republicans are messed up, that Democrats are horrible. The
Speaker 1: only issue that they're upside on the right side on
Speaker 1: them is healthcare. In the eyes of the American people,
Speaker 1: all the pulling them indicate that Republicans win pretty every
Speaker 1: major character, education, defense, you name it. But healthcare that's
Speaker 1: the one area where Democrats are winning on. And this
Speaker 1: is about subsidy to try and carry things on for
Speaker 1: people through the first of the year up ti the
Speaker 1: first year. We don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: an Affordable Care Act, which is of course just another
Speaker 1: money shift, and no one will address the root issue
Speaker 1: with this. No one wants to have a good faith conversation.
Speaker 1: You have to have trust. No one trusts each other,
Speaker 1: and so they'll look at their internal numbers to look
Speaker 1: at their supporters. And meanwhile, if you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a political kool aid drinker, you love that because your
Speaker 1: side is winning, quote unquote winning. We're winning. We're winning
Speaker 1: this one. We're winning, We're winning. Don't back down. You
Speaker 1: got to win, stand and fight. And of course they'll
Speaker 1: send out appeals asking you for your money so they
Speaker 1: can continue that fight. But in the meantime, I think
Speaker 1: the middle part of us, the electorate, looks at it going.
Speaker 1: Who's benefiting from people starving or not getting their snap benefits.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see more people snap benefits. I
Speaker 1: want to see left. I want to see people work
Speaker 1: and buy their own food. But because the way they've
Speaker 1: structured the system, the way the system is set up
Speaker 1: right now, it's hard for a lot of people to
Speaker 1: do that, and they get caught in the middle. I
Speaker 1: think you can be compact, you can be a conservative,
Speaker 1: and you can be compassionate about that too, and I
Speaker 1: don't so hopefully maybe we can fill that gap with
Speaker 1: the free store food bank. And like Annaway Kurt ribers
Speaker 1: I mentioned coming up on the show at ten oh seven,
Speaker 1: they caught half of them out of the four thieves
Speaker 1: that used a ladder and a vehicle mounted the lift
Speaker 1: to break into the louver in the Apollo Gallery. Last
Speaker 1: week they have caught two of the four suspects of
Speaker 1: the four thieves, one of them at least is trying
Speaker 1: to flee the country. After the Crown jewel heust in France,
Speaker 1: they still eight pieces of royal jewelry, necklaces, earrings, brooches.
Speaker 1: The brooches and belonged to Napoleon's wives and the French Royalty.
Speaker 1: So the question now is, well, that means we can
Speaker 1: recover this stuff, right?
Speaker 2: I got that a.
Speaker 1: Rabbit hole this weekend reading about this, it was fascinating
Speaker 1: that if you still let's say they still painting. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, and the reason why they targeted jewels
Speaker 1: is because there are motorcycles. You can put them inside
Speaker 1: your coat and you can drive away trying to carry
Speaker 1: you, you know, a giant trying to carry the I don't
Speaker 1: know the bone elite though, may cause people to look
Speaker 1: at you go, I don't know. Yeah, that looks kind
Speaker 1: of familiar. Probably not the best idea. And plus was
Speaker 1: stolen paintings, you can't it's hard to sell because thieves
Speaker 1: can't show legal ownership. You know, there's no title to it,
Speaker 1: like a car or house, and so you have to
Speaker 1: sit at it for a long time, maybe end up
Speaker 1: in you know, in a legitimate collection at some point
Speaker 1: in the future, but not anytime soon. So stolen artwork
Speaker 1: like that, I forget it. But jewelry a different story.
Speaker 1: And they're saying that there's a ten percent chance, a
Speaker 1: ten percent chance that this can be recovered. The experts
Speaker 1: seem to think right now that the precious jewels, the
Speaker 1: crown jewels that were stolen had been broken up in
Speaker 1: the smaller gemstones, the metals had been melted down and
Speaker 1: reshaped and sold to dealers who have no idea what
Speaker 1: it is. And now, granted it's a fraction of the value,
Speaker 1: because we were talking about one hundred million dollars is
Speaker 1: what all these were worth. But guess what those gems
Speaker 1: and that melted down gold and silver and all that
Speaker 1: stuff still worth millions and millions of dollars. And so
Speaker 1: maybe they said there's a ten percent chance I'll recover
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: That's incredible.
Speaker 1: Also, about ninety percent nine and ten museum heights are
Speaker 1: inside jobs, and this kind of feels like an inside
Speaker 1: job if you watch it, if you followed it at all.
Speaker 1: I did a little bit just because you know, art
Speaker 1: heists and heists in general kind of fascinating. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen marathon on this WEEKND.
Speaker 1: I kind of flipped around soft parts of that, thinking
Speaker 1: that it's like the Louver, right, But most of it is,
Speaker 1: you know, inside jobs, and most of it's stolen during
Speaker 1: storage or transit, not the stuff that's in the display gallery,
Speaker 1: which makes us even more compelling because actually brought broke
Speaker 1: in and stole items that are on display. Because most
Speaker 1: museums a lot of stuff. Museum, especially louve I think
Speaker 1: something like ten percent of their objects are on display.
Speaker 1: Ninety percent of the stuff is in storage somewhere, and
Speaker 1: you think, okay, well, stealing it from storage is a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot easier then stealing something on display.
Speaker 1: But again they had I think a third or more
Speaker 1: of the security cameras were down in that area, and
Speaker 1: it was just a logistical nightmare and mess and certainly
Speaker 1: makes the French government look incompetent and they don't need
Speaker 1: any more help looking like that, Like I guess they're
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, we may have to check the
Speaker 1: lineage of the Bengals defense and maybe a connection to
Speaker 1: France there.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, they caught two of these individuals, one trying
Speaker 1: to flee the country. But the idea they're going to
Speaker 1: get the jewels back, according to the experts are saying
Speaker 1: it's a ten percent chance that the stuff has already
Speaker 1: melted down and already sold. For that matter, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess you could take I don't know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of jewelry, break the stones off, have somebody split the
Speaker 1: rocks down. Now you've got loose diamonds and emeralds and
Speaker 1: rubies and sapphires and all those precious gemstones. And then
Speaker 1: just take the metal that was holding it and melt
Speaker 1: that down into what I don't know, but into maybe
Speaker 1: a different form of jewelry. Doesn't take all that much work,
Speaker 1: if you think about it. You just need some unscrupulous
Speaker 1: jewelers to do that for you. And there's probably enough
Speaker 1: money in it to find unscrupulous jewelers. So who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe that next engagementing Dimary and Pennant whatever it might
Speaker 1: be one of the French ground jewels. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're getting engaged, can you buy the ring and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't say this, but that was that
Speaker 1: was one of the Napoleonic jewels are in there? Really,
Speaker 1: I can't tell anybody. You can't tell anybody. But then again,
Speaker 1: you better trust that person because they'll roll on you.
Speaker 1: That's what they do. Eventually, they'll roll on you. It's
Speaker 1: five point three seven four nine seven eight hundred the
Speaker 1: Big One talkback iHeartRadio app on this Monday Morning with
Speaker 1: Scott's Loan here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: I want you got something back on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 1: So starting Saturday, we're on the clock right now, about
Speaker 1: forty two million low income people will not get their
Speaker 1: SNAP that's a supplemental Nutrition Assistance program benefits unless Congress
Speaker 1: breaks the stalemate. Got to fund the government and hit
Speaker 1: things back open. So as things stand right now, and
Speaker 1: this is a very local concern, is that the big
Speaker 1: beautiful Bill already cuts SNAP by like one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty six billion, which is the largest cut in history.
Speaker 1: We're headed into winter and the holidays, which means demand
Speaker 1: for services is going up. And right here in Sinsey,
Speaker 1: the Free Store Food Bank is the largest emergency food
Speaker 1: and service provider to children and families in all of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati or Kentucky and southeast Indiana. They hand out over
Speaker 1: fifty almost fifty million meals annually to low income people
Speaker 1: and families. And the question is the strain that they're
Speaker 1: going to face or maybe they're they're staying right now.
Speaker 1: He is the CEO of the Free Store, and that's
Speaker 1: Kurt ryber Back on the show this.
Speaker 2: Morning, How You Been, I'm Scot yourself. I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You know, the story kept coming out and okay, we've
Speaker 1: got the government shutdown and now the snap benefits are
Speaker 1: going to go away starting Saturday, and we know they're
Speaker 1: already cuts to snap under the big beautiful bill, and
Speaker 1: we know that the appeal starts. It's ongoing appeal. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's year round, but seemingly around the holidays, right around
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and Chris us in winter months, there's more demand
Speaker 1: for you guys as well. Are you starting to feel
Speaker 1: the impact.
Speaker 2: Yet, Well, we've always seen just based on their higher
Speaker 2: growthery prices and the higher cost of living that we're
Speaker 2: seeing right now due to inflation. Scott, we're seeing an increase.
Speaker 2: Over the past two years. We've seen about a thirty
Speaker 2: five percent increase in demand at our two markets, our
Speaker 2: detailing market and our Liberty Street market, and then our
Speaker 2: six hundred plus pantry that we serve in the twenty
Speaker 2: counties served by the Free Star are letting us know
Speaker 2: also that they're seeing increased demand. Typically, when kids go
Speaker 2: back to school, we see the demand drop off a
Speaker 2: little bit because eight out of ten kids are eligible
Speaker 2: for free and reduced lunches, which is also going to
Speaker 2: be impacted by this government shutdown as well. But I
Speaker 2: think what we're seeing right now is that people were
Speaker 2: living paycheck to paycheck during the pandemic, and that continues
Speaker 2: because people have burned through those reserves, so they've been
Speaker 2: relying on a freestore food bank and our sister food
Speaker 2: banks across the country at a much higher level.
Speaker 1: So we've got literally tens of thousands here in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: that are potentially losing food assistants coming up. How are
Speaker 1: you guys the freestore preparing for what could be a
Speaker 1: massive influx of people who never used the food bank before.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been reaching out to the federal employees, the
Speaker 2: military families, the folks that have been impacted by the
Speaker 2: furloughs and the layoffs, because we want to let them
Speaker 2: know that we're available and we're there to help them
Speaker 2: through this difficult, challenging time. We're looking right now as
Speaker 2: to whether or not we're able to increase our food
Speaker 2: distributions at least at our two markets, at our Betailor
Speaker 2: market and our Literaty market to twice a month, typically
Speaker 2: during the summer months when the kid drop from school,
Speaker 2: we allow our neighbors to come and shop twice a month,
Speaker 2: and then during the school year we had them shop
Speaker 2: once a month. But we're looking right now to see
Speaker 2: whether or not we have the resources and the capacity
Speaker 2: to allow them to come and shop twice a month
Speaker 2: at least until the government shutdown's resolved and staff benefits
Speaker 2: we come to flow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so double the demand here and at least so
Speaker 1: there's a capacity concerned here. Do you have enough food,
Speaker 1: you have tech? Do you have enough volunteers and resources
Speaker 1: to handle that?
Speaker 2: Well? The volunteers, obviously, we can always use more volunteers.
Speaker 2: I encourage folks to go to Freestorefoodbank dot org and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, volunteer on our volunteer button. But also as
Speaker 2: far as reserves and resources we have, you know, we
Speaker 2: we've acted very you know, frugally, We've been good storages
Speaker 2: of the resource we've gotten in. We would always encourage
Speaker 2: folks if they have the capacity to make the gifts now,
Speaker 2: especially during these more challenging times for the families that
Speaker 2: are serving, now would be an opportune time to do that.
Speaker 2: But I think what we're looking at right now is
Speaker 2: making sure that we're Unfortunately, we've been buying more food
Speaker 2: than we have in the past because of supply chain
Speaker 2: issues and the like. But I think what we're trying
Speaker 2: to now is talk to our food service partners, the
Speaker 2: grocery stores that are out there, the manufacturers that are
Speaker 2: out there, and trying to say, if we're buying food
Speaker 2: from you all, is there also some food that you
Speaker 2: could donate as well. So we're trying to hit it
Speaker 2: on all front, Scott, so that you know we're there
Speaker 2: for the families. But the reality is this is that
Speaker 2: nine out of ten meals are provided by SNAP Benefits
Speaker 2: and one out of ten meals is provided by Freestop
Speaker 2: Food Bank our sister food banks across the country. Just
Speaker 2: in Ohio, almost one and a half million families receive
Speaker 2: individuals receive SNAP benefits. Forty five thousand of those are veterans,
Speaker 2: and sixty two percent of them are our families with children.
Speaker 2: So we know that it's going to be felt fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the families that we serve, and we serve
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five thousand of our neighbors that
Speaker 2: are food and secure eighty two thousand wich your kids.
Speaker 2: So we serve about half of those are receiving SNAFF benefits,
Speaker 2: and most of the families that we serve are working
Speaker 2: just not making enough money to make ends meet when
Speaker 2: it comes time to buying groceries, or paying the rent,
Speaker 2: or buying medicine for the kids, or paying you know,
Speaker 2: buying food. So those are the things that we've been
Speaker 2: confronted with for years. But this community has really rallied
Speaker 2: behind us over the year, Scott, and I know that
Speaker 2: they're going to do that again.
Speaker 1: Now I'm sure you've also looked at it too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to do a I guess, find out what
Speaker 1: your breaking point is for lack of a better term, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, how close are you to that? If you
Speaker 1: start to add up all these numbers, you go, how
Speaker 1: are we going to sustain this? If we're now twice
Speaker 1: a month, then we've increased demand, you know, thirty percent?
Speaker 1: Is that sustainable for how long?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: You know, the way we look at this is that
Speaker 2: you know, we've prepared for, you know, to maintain reserves
Speaker 2: for events like this. We've gone through some natural disasters
Speaker 2: where we've partner with other food banks across the country.
Speaker 2: We've rallied behind folks during the pandemic during the Great Recession.
Speaker 2: So Free Store is going to stand tall and be
Speaker 2: there as well as our six n the food pantries
Speaker 2: that are across the twenty countside. Twenty County is served
Speaker 2: by the Free Store. But at some point in time,
Speaker 2: we will get to a point where, you know, if
Speaker 2: this is a prolonged government shutdown, then more and more
Speaker 2: families will be turning to Freestore and our sister food banks,
Speaker 2: and at that point in time we'll have to assess
Speaker 2: the situation. But right now we're not there. Right now,
Speaker 2: we are in a situation where we have resources and
Speaker 2: reserves to weather the storm on a temporary basis. I
Speaker 2: would say if we go out there another you know,
Speaker 2: thirty days, then things are going to have to get
Speaker 2: a little bit more tighter.
Speaker 1: Well, as I've said a long you know, the first
Speaker 1: few weeks, days and weeks of this, it's all political theater.
Speaker 1: But as you get to that thirty day mark, and
Speaker 1: that's why the longest shutdown in the second longest and the
Speaker 1: longest one is thirty five days, because now that theater
Speaker 1: becomes reality in the case where you guys are at
Speaker 1: Freestore Food Bank.
Speaker 2: Kurt Ryber.
Speaker 1: You're going to see the families you serve hit the
Speaker 1: hardest and typically who gets hurt in there when the
Speaker 1: SNAP benefits disappear disappear. What kind of folks are we
Speaker 1: talking about here.
Speaker 2: We're talking about you've got you've got seniors, You've got
Speaker 2: you know, military families. Uh. Forty three percent of the
Speaker 2: SNAPPER recipients in Ohio, our older adults are disabled individuals.
Speaker 2: As I said, sixty two per families with children. We
Speaker 2: have forty five thousand volunteer or veterans. I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: receive SNAP benefits in Ohio. And that's that's just you know,
Speaker 2: those are the folks that have given so much of
Speaker 2: their own lives to this great country of ours, and
Speaker 2: now when we need to help them during their challenging times,
Speaker 2: we need to be there. And that's really what the
Speaker 2: free store is going to be about.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You've mentioned Thanksgiving coming up. Then you'll have a Christmas
Speaker 2: holidays and the December holidays that are out there, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and families will be relying on freestore more
Speaker 2: profound way in order to make ends meet. And Free
Speaker 2: Store in this community has rallied behind these situations in
Speaker 2: the past, and you know, my challenge right now is
Speaker 2: to let people know that they can make a difference
Speaker 2: by making a donation of the Free Store Food Bank.
Speaker 2: Every dollar comes in and we compriabe the equivalent of
Speaker 2: three meals, and that's really going a long ways towards
Speaker 2: helping to meet the needs of these families that are struggling.
Speaker 1: It really is consider you to make a thoughtful donation
Speaker 1: as well to the Freestore New Food Bank now more
Speaker 1: than ever because of what we're talking about here. And
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned the families that show up and
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some familiar faces there, but you're going
Speaker 1: to see a whole bunch of people have never needed
Speaker 1: help before. And on that too, how do you reach
Speaker 1: people and help ununderstand that food banks are there for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to get a whole new if
Speaker 1: this continues, a whole new bunch of people showing up
Speaker 1: or people who may not know you exist in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Scott, what we're doing is we're using all of
Speaker 2: our social media outlets in order to do that, or
Speaker 2: using folks like yourselves on seven hundred WW to raise
Speaker 2: awareness about the Free Store Food Bank. If people need assistance.
Speaker 2: They can go to Freestore Foodbank dot org and click
Speaker 2: on to get help Now, and they can find a
Speaker 2: pantry that's close to them and be able to receive
Speaker 2: that assistance that they need for The free Store has
Speaker 2: continued to rally behind the families that we've served in
Speaker 2: the Tri State area, and we saw an uptick in
Speaker 2: the number of food and secure families over the past
Speaker 2: two years here. But I think what we're going to
Speaker 2: try to do is we're going to try to look
Speaker 2: at it and say, Okay, how can we make a difference.
Speaker 2: And we do that through a couple of other things.
Speaker 2: We also have wrap around supportive services our Customer Connection Center,
Speaker 2: so we provide rental assistants to Utilia assistance. We have
Speaker 2: two wonderful workforce training programs. We're getting folks back into
Speaker 2: the workforce, and that's our culinary program CINCINNTI Cooks kind
Speaker 2: of Lift, the Tri State Logistics program. So there are
Speaker 2: things that we're doing to stem the tide right now.
Speaker 2: We need people to support us so that we can
Speaker 2: support those families that are truly in a dire state.
Speaker 1: Is this sustainable at this right? I mean, even if
Speaker 1: a fraction we said forty two million people turn to
Speaker 1: food banks across the country, including the Free Star Food
Speaker 1: Bank where you're the CEO of kurt ryber Can, the
Speaker 1: Charitable Food System, and I would include churches there as well.
Speaker 1: Can we possibly fill that gap that's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: We can't. We can't food bank our way out of
Speaker 2: the scott and you've shared that with our elected officials,
Speaker 2: both of the state, federal, and local levels. We're working
Speaker 2: with folks at Hamilton County to figure out what we
Speaker 2: can do as far as reallocating some resources there. We're
Speaker 2: talking to folks of the city, but we're also talking
Speaker 2: to our federal luck officials as well and trying to
Speaker 2: say through our government relations team at Feeding in America,
Speaker 2: they're continuing to let folks know that this is really
Speaker 2: impacting families because they're quite honestly not doing their job
Speaker 2: and getting a budget passed, and you know, having a
Speaker 2: continued resolution pass it is critically important and right now
Speaker 2: is more than ever for the families that we're serving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, three weeks ago is okay, We're going to
Speaker 1: shut some national parts and maybe not cut the grass.
Speaker 1: Now now you're talking about not feeding people and that
Speaker 1: that's the reality as this thing has gone from theater
Speaker 1: to looming damage. I know, I think it was Virginia.
Speaker 1: They declared a state of emergency and covered snap with
Speaker 1: state funds. Says you mentioned local and federal. What's the
Speaker 1: state's role in this. Have you reached out to the
Speaker 1: governor to Wine.
Speaker 2: Well, we reached out to the elected officials, to our
Speaker 2: state associations. We have a Free State Association we're partners
Speaker 2: with and they are helping us, you know, message those
Speaker 2: you know, the folks at the governor's office, Governor Dwine,
Speaker 2: Governor Brasher, governor will come over in Indiana and they're
Speaker 2: really helping you tell the story and tell the impact.
Speaker 2: What you have to understand too, is that for every
Speaker 2: dollar worth of stamp benefits that come in to our economy,
Speaker 2: that equates one to a dollar fifty four in economic impact.
Speaker 2: So you know, we're not on really impacting just the
Speaker 2: families that were serving, but we're impacting the retailers, the
Speaker 2: grocery stores, the folks that are or have hired a
Speaker 2: lot of people that will also be impacted. If this
Speaker 2: government continues to shut down, let's say.
Speaker 1: In the next four or five days, that they finally
Speaker 1: are able to get this thing done in open government
Speaker 1: back up. But even beyond November, if the shutdown ends
Speaker 1: this week and benefits are restored, what's your outlook for
Speaker 1: like the next six or twelve months.
Speaker 2: Kurt Well, I think what we're going to see is
Speaker 2: where you continue to see people that are that are struggling,
Speaker 2: you know, living paycheck to paycheck. You know, the inflationary pressures.
Speaker 2: The stock market may be going up, but that's not
Speaker 2: impacting the families that we're serving. So those economic benefits
Speaker 2: they receive are pretty really important to really stem the tide.
Speaker 2: Seventy percent of the families we serve, the neighbors that
Speaker 2: come into our markets are are working families. You're just
Speaker 2: not making enough money to make ends meet when a
Speaker 2: child gets sick, or car breaks down, or your chili
Speaker 2: bills are out of site. I mean, if we have
Speaker 2: a rough winter to side, do I pay for my
Speaker 2: heat and electricity or do buy food? And when they
Speaker 2: make that decision and they say I'm going to pay
Speaker 2: for my electricity and my heat, which is critically important,
Speaker 2: then they're going to come to our food bank and
Speaker 2: our food pantries and really try to figure out how
Speaker 2: they can leverage those resources as well. So everything works
Speaker 2: in dependently on each other, and right now, more than ever,
Speaker 2: we need as help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this isn't the old tired, stereotypical welfare
Speaker 1: queen Wright King who just shows up and gets free
Speaker 1: stuff from everybody who don't feel like they got to work.
Speaker 1: You're talking about people working multiple jobs with family and
Speaker 1: trying to keep their head above water because the cost
Speaker 1: inflation and everything has gone through the roof and skyrocketed
Speaker 1: because of a number of factors. And now if you
Speaker 1: cut off the benefits are getting the food benefits here,
Speaker 1: people really starve.
Speaker 2: Well, it's really critically important when you know, and I
Speaker 2: want to encourage folks if they do need assistance, then
Speaker 2: you know, please go to our website Prestore Foodbank dot
Speaker 2: org and they can find help near them. They find
Speaker 2: a pandy that's close to them. We have over six
Speaker 2: hundred pantries that we support in twenty counties, about eighty
Speaker 2: percent of our faith based. So we know that the
Speaker 2: faith community is rallying behind this as well. And we
Speaker 2: know that the families that were serving and we have
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty amazing team members to work as
Speaker 2: a free Store of Food Bank on the front lines
Speaker 2: of hunger each and every day. We have over twelve
Speaker 2: thousand volunteers that provide eighty two thousand dollars a volunteer
Speaker 2: service war US. So this community has rallied behind the
Speaker 2: Free Store of Food Bank. We know they will do
Speaker 2: that again, and we just encourage folks to help us
Speaker 2: get through this time.
Speaker 1: Talent, treasure, right, the three big things. And you can
Speaker 1: give one or maybe all of those in these efforts.
Speaker 1: And maybe you need want to volunteer, don't have money
Speaker 1: to give you, but you have time, certainly go and volunteer.
Speaker 1: Go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. If you have money and
Speaker 1: you want to give, please do that because they're going
Speaker 1: to need to fill this void. If indeed we get
Speaker 1: to Saturday and forty two million low income people don't
Speaker 1: get their Snap benefits.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about food here.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about anything else but just basic human
Speaker 1: sustenance at this point.
Speaker 2: So Kurt Ryber, Yeah, one thing I would point out
Speaker 2: to Scott is that a lot of folks who have
Speaker 2: been asking questions about their Snap benefits that are already
Speaker 2: on their Snap cards, those benefits will be available and
Speaker 2: usable after this, you know, after this November one deadline.
Speaker 2: So if you have Snap benefits that are continuing to
Speaker 2: stay on your card, you can still use those as
Speaker 2: the retailers that you frequent until those are spent.
Speaker 1: Important point to the Snap benefit card itself. If you
Speaker 1: have the credit on there, you're just not getting any
Speaker 1: new credit.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as of Saturday anyway, Well, hopefully cooler health will prevailed.
Speaker 1: They'll come to a conclusion here and wrap this nonsense
Speaker 1: up because now you're really impacting people's lives. Kurt ryber
Speaker 1: at the Free Star of Food Bank. God bless you man.
Speaker 1: Thanks for what you do. We'll get the word out,
Speaker 1: try to get some volunteers, get you some money too,
Speaker 1: to maybe stem the tide here.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Scott, I appreciate you. Take care. Thanks
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the sad reality of it that, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a political junkie and you're into this thing
Speaker 1: and you know you want your side to hold out
Speaker 1: Democrats want their side to hold out, Republicans on weather side.
Speaker 1: The reality is there are people, real people who are
Speaker 1: getting caught up in the middle of this. Kids, working families,
Speaker 1: especially seniors, veterans. How is government serving them? How's government
Speaker 1: serving us? This is self serving, is what this is.
Speaker 1: It's politics over people.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: You could be, you know, the strongest conservative in the world,
Speaker 1: Christian conservative all while and good. You can't look at
Speaker 1: this and hear about people who are working two three jobs.
Speaker 1: They've got kids, you've got seniors, you've got veterans who
Speaker 1: are fallen between the cracks and not be compassionate about that.
Speaker 2: And I am.
Speaker 1: I understand how dire the straits are for a country,
Speaker 1: our future and our tremendous national debt that's growing by
Speaker 1: the second. But this doesn't help that. This doesn't help
Speaker 1: people because you got to live for today. And the
Speaker 1: nonsense of shutting things down when they could be sitting
Speaker 1: and talking and negotiating, actually working for the people and
Speaker 1: not against them, I think should stand above all that.
Speaker 1: Scott's Loan Show seven hundred.
Speaker 5: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's heer
Speaker 5: to help us get our heads right. This is Mental
Speaker 5: Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Heattershire.
Speaker 1: All right, the weekend to work week transition sucks.
Speaker 2: It just sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks worse when the Bengals lose like they did,
Speaker 1: because then you just wake up mad. I just stay
Speaker 1: in bed. Oh you know what, just take the week
Speaker 1: off to the next game. That's how I feel. Julie
Speaker 1: Hatters here, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 6: Hello?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 7: How are you?
Speaker 1: There's no greater Bengal or NFL fan than you. I know,
Speaker 1: and I know how hard you take a loss.
Speaker 7: Yes, I didn't even know they played yesterday. Much less
Speaker 7: less I know.
Speaker 1: Because you sall text me like during the game, going
Speaker 1: what we should talk about this tomorrow, Charo getting a solve.
Speaker 1: But the rest of the world's watching football. You have
Speaker 1: no idea what's going no idea.
Speaker 7: No, I had no idea, not a clue.
Speaker 2: You are right.
Speaker 1: You're the person who's out there, like super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 1: She's one, she's shopping, she's at the store, she's doing anything.
Speaker 1: Why is everything? Why is there no one out today?
Speaker 1: This is stupid.
Speaker 7: I no, I at least know about Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 7: I mean that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It
Speaker 2: is so hard.
Speaker 1: And the reason why we do this segment of Metal
Speaker 1: Health Monday is because Monday is the worst day of
Speaker 1: the week for most people, but especially between you know
Speaker 1: what's going on inside that little head of your So
Speaker 1: transitioning from the weekend, it starts on Friday. You're in
Speaker 1: weekend mode. Maybe you work out of the house so
Speaker 1: it's even a little more lax, or maybe you get
Speaker 1: off a little early and hey, I got Friday, I
Speaker 1: got Saturday. Sunday comes along. I know people that party
Speaker 1: right up until about ten o'clock Sunday night, and then
Speaker 1: Monday comes along and they're like, ah, it's all coming
Speaker 1: at me at the same time. Here is there a
Speaker 1: way to mentally ease that transition a little bit better?
Speaker 7: Well, I think there are several things we can do.
Speaker 7: But I think one of the things that gets lost
Speaker 7: in the conversation about starting your work week, and as
Speaker 7: I was sort of prepping for this talk this show,
Speaker 7: I noticed this is that when we go to work
Speaker 7: versus on the weekend, it's not just shifting what we do,
Speaker 7: but to some degree, it's shifting who we are. We
Speaker 7: are most of us different people at work than we
Speaker 7: are on the weekends, and so for a lot of us,
Speaker 7: that identity shift is a really hard thing. Going from
Speaker 7: who you have to be at home with your family
Speaker 7: or in your life on the weekend to going into
Speaker 7: work on Monday and being the productive or we hope
Speaker 7: productive worker that you are in. Whatever job you do
Speaker 7: requires not just doing different things, but being a different person.
Speaker 7: And for some of us, we don't like the person
Speaker 7: we are at work as much as we like the
Speaker 7: person we are at home. So sometimes I think that
Speaker 7: gets lost in the conversation. And I think that's an
Speaker 7: important thing to recognize, is that it requires an identity
Speaker 7: shift that sometimes we don't enjoy very much.
Speaker 1: Okay, because you got to put your work face, sounds
Speaker 1: what you're saying and be some like, for example, you
Speaker 1: got to go out and you know, if you're in sales,
Speaker 1: you got to go well, be a salesperson. Either that's
Speaker 1: a tough job or it's like wow, physical, abe, I'm
Speaker 1: still sore from Friday. I got to get back and
Speaker 1: get back to.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 7: And I know, I've worked with people in sales over
Speaker 7: the course of my career and many of them are
Speaker 7: actually introverted. And so to go out and be in
Speaker 7: a sales position customer facing knocking on doors literally sometimes
Speaker 7: knocking on doctor's offices, doors to bring them lunch is
Speaker 7: difficult for them, and they have to sort of energize
Speaker 7: and gear up and kind of rev themselves up and
Speaker 7: put themselves into sort of a slightly altered identity in
Speaker 7: order to do that, and then they get to sort
Speaker 7: of go back to who they actually are on the weekend.
Speaker 7: So for a lot of people, becoming that worker on
Speaker 7: Monday is difficult. It's not just about going to work,
Speaker 7: it's who you have to be when you're there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, putting that that face on. Okay, I
Speaker 1: get that whole thing. Yeah all right, So all right,
Speaker 1: I got to make that When should that transition start?
Speaker 7: Well, I think people need to start doing that Sunday evening.
Speaker 7: I think the most successful productive people that I've worked
Speaker 7: with have sort of a Sunday evening routine where they
Speaker 7: sort of gear down from the weekend and start to
Speaker 7: transition into before they go to bed on Sunday night,
Speaker 7: start to transition into two Monday mode. That doesn't necessarily
Speaker 7: mean looking at their calendars, that doesn't necessarily mean diving
Speaker 7: back in. That means sort of, for many of them,
Speaker 7: setting an intention of what do I need to do
Speaker 7: this week? What are my big projects? What are my
Speaker 7: big goals and who do I need to be in
Speaker 7: order to accomplish them, and how can I set myself
Speaker 7: up for success tonight so that tomorrow morning I hit
Speaker 7: the ground running and I'm able to get done what
Speaker 7: I need to get done. So it's sort of a
Speaker 7: larger goal intention setting kind of shift than it is
Speaker 7: looking at what you have first thing Monday morning on
Speaker 7: your calendar.
Speaker 1: Kind of Okay, yeah, I guess, but that feels like
Speaker 1: you're demand's cheating out of hours on your weekend again.
Speaker 1: You know, wait a minute, I I got to get
Speaker 1: my game face on. It's still Sunday's till my day. Man,
Speaker 1: come on the Lord's day.
Speaker 2: What do we doing?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: I get that. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And so
Speaker 7: a way to think about that is how to protect
Speaker 7: enough of who I am and my identity and my
Speaker 7: life by making the shift as seamless and the transition
Speaker 7: as easy as possible, versus that jarring the alarm goes
Speaker 7: off and you're like, oh, shoot, now it's Monday. Now
Speaker 7: what am I going to do? So optimizing it for you,
Speaker 7: not optimizing it for your employer. How can I make
Speaker 7: my Monday morning go better for me? For my partner,
Speaker 7: for my family if I have one at home. How
Speaker 7: can I ease this transition for myself? Not how can
Speaker 7: I start working on Sunday night when they're not paying
Speaker 7: me till Monday morning. It's a different it's a different
Speaker 7: way of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, just a different Julie Hendershare here, our
Speaker 1: licensed mental health therapist on this mental health Monday here
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW Scott's Loan show. The weekend and
Speaker 1: work week transition. It is a tough shift and over
Speaker 1: the course of a few hours, because you could also
Speaker 1: do a little bit like like for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll pull behind the curtain, like after the show, I'll
Speaker 1: get a stuff lined up for the week ahead, kind
Speaker 1: of cut through some old email and kind of wrap
Speaker 1: things up for the week, and then look ahead and
Speaker 1: lay some stuff out, and then a little bit on
Speaker 1: Saturday and a little bit on Sunday, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of spread it out over the weekend when I'm
Speaker 1: up having my coffee, like I had a little time
Speaker 1: I'm waking up anyway, it's a good time before all
Speaker 1: the cob webs start to come back into my head
Speaker 1: to get all that.
Speaker 2: Stuff out of the way great.
Speaker 7: I was wondering what productivity things you do, because I
Speaker 7: know that you stay on top of what's going on
Speaker 7: in the world and in the news every day, whether
Speaker 7: you're working or not, whether you have a show coming
Speaker 7: up or not. I know that you do that.
Speaker 6: But I also know that.
Speaker 7: You don't let that run your life, that that's not
Speaker 7: how you organize the rest of your life. And so
Speaker 7: I was wondering what kind of productivity and work life
Speaker 7: balance kinds of things you utilize.
Speaker 1: I just try to do it little pieces. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously during the week is busier, but I notice if
Speaker 1: I if I'm out of town or something and come
Speaker 1: back and on side or something, it's like, oh my
Speaker 1: God's chaos. Because but you know, there are all times
Speaker 1: you can slip away, even on you know, if you're
Speaker 1: out of town or doing something else, like okay, I
Speaker 1: just need to you know, get half hour forty minutes
Speaker 1: and kind of run through some stuff, line some stuff
Speaker 1: up because you're always thinking ahead, but just doing the
Speaker 1: little nuggets when you're staying around no typically instead of
Speaker 1: you know, doom scrolling social media. If you took a
Speaker 1: half hour forty minutes just to kind of do that.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's it's just not so I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, like Sunday comes are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I get get ready for Monday. You know how people are.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you do a little bit, I think
Speaker 1: each day, I mean just could could be twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: half hour, it seems to make that Sunday and then
Speaker 1: the Monday transition a lot better, at least that for
Speaker 1: me anyway.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, I have had clients who are military and firefighters,
Speaker 7: and one of the things that they've all said to
Speaker 7: me is, if you stay ready, you don't have to
Speaker 7: get ready. If you stay on top of it, it's
Speaker 7: not such a big deal to jump into it. So
Speaker 7: if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.
Speaker 7: And so those people who have jobs that allow or
Speaker 7: require or some level of readiness in that way, spending
Speaker 7: a little time on the weekend just kind of staying
Speaker 7: on top of things. So like you, over the weekend,
Speaker 7: I will do a little work. One of the things
Speaker 7: I will do is read my notes from the last
Speaker 7: session for the people I have coming up in the week,
Speaker 7: just so I kind of have a sense of how
Speaker 7: difficult or easy my week with clients is going to be.
Speaker 7: If I knew we had a rough session with five
Speaker 7: clients and I'm seeing all five this week, well, okay,
Speaker 7: that's going to be kind of a heavy week. If
Speaker 7: I know things are going pretty smoothly for some of them,
Speaker 7: then I have an idea of energetically what my week
Speaker 7: is going to look like. So I just kind of
Speaker 7: get a sense of that, so I know what I'm
Speaker 7: heading into on Monday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 7: Like you, I kind of stay on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a task size it, right. What about the
Speaker 1: element of you know, worktime's work time typically you know
Speaker 1: you're dialed in your focus like that too, But what
Speaker 1: about weekend? Should we because man, it's so easy for
Speaker 1: all this stuff to start bleeding over to the weekend too.
Speaker 2: I think you got to put boundaries up, right, Oh.
Speaker 7: I think you have to put boundaries and protect your
Speaker 7: off time as much as is humanly possible. I think
Speaker 7: you have to protect your off time. So for example,
Speaker 7: I read my notes from I don't read my notes
Speaker 7: from all my sessions, just for the ones I'm seeing
Speaker 7: for the next week, and I only give myself like
Speaker 7: twenty or thirty minutes tops to do that, and then
Speaker 7: I put it away and then I'm done. But you
Speaker 7: need to protect that time. But then when you're in
Speaker 7: your workflow, you need It's really important for most people
Speaker 7: to have blocks of time where they can actually do
Speaker 7: deep work, where they can actually do the work that
Speaker 7: they're getting paid to do, instead of being interrupted by
Speaker 7: meetings or chit tech conversations at the office or email.
Speaker 7: So you know, turn off all your devices if you
Speaker 7: can protect chunks of time. Because there's a guy named
Speaker 7: Pareto pa r Eto. He's a business EA kind of guy,
Speaker 7: and he says he's got this eighty twenty principle that
Speaker 7: says twenty percent of our actions account for eighty percent
Speaker 7: of our successful outcomes. So twenty percent of what we do,
Speaker 7: generally speaking, accounts for eighty percent of our successful outcomes.
Speaker 7: And the rest of what we do is extremeeous and
Speaker 7: perhaps unnecessary or certainly not as crucial as that twenty percent.
Speaker 7: So for everybody, if you can start looking at identifying
Speaker 7: what are the things that I do in my workday
Speaker 7: that give me the best outcomes and the most good outcomes,
Speaker 7: let me focus my attention on those at the start
Speaker 7: of the week to the degree that I can to
Speaker 7: set myself up for a successful week the rest of
Speaker 7: the week, because part of sometimes what happens is you
Speaker 7: hit the ground in chaos on Monday, you play catch
Speaker 7: up on Tuesday or Wednesday. Now you're actually getting into
Speaker 7: the work that you need to do on Thursday and Friday,
Speaker 7: and then it's the weekend and you abruptly stop. So
Speaker 7: if you frontload the success in the week, then by
Speaker 7: Friday you're tying up loose ends, you're managing a few
Speaker 7: last minute things, and then you're off for the weekend,
Speaker 7: and it's an easier transition into the weekend and then
Speaker 7: easier transition back into Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, you're doing it in little bits and pieces,
Speaker 1: supposed all at one, so that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: So and you've got to be consistent with it too.
Speaker 1: I think that's the other important thing. Just turned a
Speaker 1: new habit, is what you're.
Speaker 7: Saying, Yeah, habitually set up a workflow that makes sense
Speaker 7: for you. I know you and I've had a previous
Speaker 7: conversation about what time of day people are at their
Speaker 7: most productive, and it's different for everyone. So also what
Speaker 7: day of the week are people most productive? And I
Speaker 7: think that if you can find a large chunk of
Speaker 7: your productivity early in your week, then you can relax
Speaker 7: the end of your week, ease into your weekend, and
Speaker 7: the Sunday to Monday transition doesn't feel quite so abrupt
Speaker 7: because it wasn't abrupt Friday into Saturday. So it kind
Speaker 7: of creates a flow that makes sense. I think for
Speaker 7: many people, and many of us have the capacity to
Speaker 7: make those kinds of changes in the way that we work.
Speaker 1: All right, Julie Harris, you're talking about transition from a
Speaker 1: weekend to work week. That's all well and good. What
Speaker 1: if you really hate what you do. What if you'd
Speaker 1: like just absolutely get fearful and sick that you've got
Speaker 1: to go back to work on money?
Speaker 2: I know people like that.
Speaker 7: Oh, there are a lot of people like that, And
Speaker 7: that's why you have Julie Bee on every week to
Speaker 7: talk about your stuff. But then I think can become
Speaker 7: not so much focusing on what you do and whether
Speaker 7: you like it or not, but what what you do
Speaker 7: allows you to do, be and have in the rest
Speaker 7: of your life. I know a lot of people who
Speaker 7: really dislike their jobs but really love the life that
Speaker 7: the money or the job itself allows them to have.
Speaker 7: So I know people who travel for work a lot,
Speaker 7: and they don't really like traveling for work, but they
Speaker 7: love the miles that they rack up. They love the
Speaker 7: ability to maybe tack a day on on one end
Speaker 7: or the other and see a part of the country
Speaker 7: or the world they've never seen before. They love the
Speaker 7: opportunity to meet new people. They don't like it being
Speaker 7: away from home or their family, but they like the
Speaker 7: opportunities that that offers them. So focus on either if
Speaker 7: there are aspects of your job that are less awful,
Speaker 7: focus on those, but also what does your job allow
Speaker 7: you to be, or do or have that you couldn't
Speaker 7: be or do or have if you didn't do it,
Speaker 7: And look at it more as a means to an
Speaker 7: end than the end.
Speaker 1: In itself, which is more important. That's why it's so
Speaker 1: important to have outside work time too, so you can compartmentalize,
Speaker 1: you know, and hey, look, if your work you focus
Speaker 1: on what you're doing when you're not there, and especially
Speaker 1: if what you're doing when you're not at your job
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe you have a side hustle
Speaker 1: too or something, and you think about parlaying that into
Speaker 1: your full time job.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes. Side hustles are great because they can people
Speaker 7: with an exit strategy at work if they hate what
Speaker 7: they're doing. People with an exit strategy generally feel better
Speaker 7: than people who have no exit strategy, either because they
Speaker 7: haven't created one or they don't believe that they could
Speaker 7: access one. So if your side hustle is going to
Speaker 7: be your full time hustle at some point in time,
Speaker 7: working on that on your off hours can help make
Speaker 7: the work you're doing more tolerable, the job that you
Speaker 7: don't like more tolerable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And then man,
Speaker 1: when you how do you do that on on a vacation?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, hey, here's your pattern for
Speaker 1: the weekend, but you take a week off. Should you
Speaker 1: be doing a little bit each day? Do you wait
Speaker 1: till last?
Speaker 2: How does that?
Speaker 1: Because it sucks you get on vacation. Then then you
Speaker 1: have an avalanche of email. For example, when we went
Speaker 1: to our little Australia to our big Australia trip for
Speaker 1: two weeks, it took me a good week and a
Speaker 1: half to respond to emails because a literal I had
Speaker 1: like a thou over one thousand emails waiting for me
Speaker 1: after two weeks.
Speaker 7: So yes. So I think it's really important for people
Speaker 7: to protect vacation time. And I think it's really important
Speaker 7: to the degree that you possibly can, to let people
Speaker 7: know that you will not be responding while you're on vacation,
Speaker 7: that you will take some time to respond when you
Speaker 7: get back, because you will probably have an avalanche of
Speaker 7: projects and people and emails and phone calls and things
Speaker 7: to get back to immediately, and that you will get
Speaker 7: to them just as quickly as you can. But if
Speaker 7: it's super duper important, they should pin you again when
Speaker 7: they know you're going to be back in the office
Speaker 7: to move it to the top of your pro list.
Speaker 7: So I think setting the expectation ahead of time and
Speaker 7: holding fast to that, because you can say I'm unplugged,
Speaker 7: but then if you an answer an email or too, well,
Speaker 7: now people know you're not really unplugged.
Speaker 2: So if you.
Speaker 7: Intend to be set that expectation and hold fast to it,
Speaker 7: and then if you can, when you can, create a
Speaker 7: transition day for yourself if possible, So instead of coming
Speaker 7: back in late on Sunday night and starting work on Monday,
Speaker 7: maybe come back in on Saturday and having Sunday to
Speaker 7: transition back and get back into the work week on Monday,
Speaker 7: or maybe take that Monday off as well and start
Speaker 7: your work week on Tuesday. But set yourself a transition
Speaker 7: time to get everything cleaned up from the vacation, unpacked,
Speaker 7: put away and start working your way back into your
Speaker 7: work week and give yourself that buffer. Just plan that
Speaker 7: into your schedule if you possibly can. Can make a
Speaker 7: huge difference for how you re enter the work life
Speaker 7: after you've been on vacation.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She's Julie Hatters,
Speaker 1: your licensed mental health therapist that bconnected dot care. If
Speaker 1: you want to reach out to her, it's hey, Julie
Speaker 1: at the letter be connected at dot care. She practices
Speaker 1: Clifton and right here in the Cincinnati. It's mental health Monday.
Speaker 1: Good stuff as we transition. Probably should have had you
Speaker 1: on Friday to get ready a little late now, isn't
Speaker 1: that we're back at work?
Speaker 7: Hi, you can start. You can start tonight for tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Pretend you've got a Tuesday start of the week.
Speaker 1: Getting the groove. You got to get in the groove
Speaker 1: right grind. I just think you probably don't have a
Speaker 1: good twenty thirty more years of this work and stuff.
Speaker 2: Just think what's in front of you. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: All the best, have a great week, Appreciate you, Thanks
Speaker 1: you too. All right, let's get a news updata in
Speaker 1: just about five minutes away here on seven hundred Wlwmuch
Speaker 1: has been made of the fiscal impact of immigration, and
Speaker 1: the folks at Manhattan Institute have analyzed ten and twenty
Speaker 1: and thirty years of government data and all the programs
Speaker 1: we had in immigration, What we get right, what we
Speaker 1: get wrong? In the eye opening conclusion and maybe not
Speaker 1: as eye opening as a fact that immigrants with advanced
Speaker 1: degrees tend to be a huge boom to our economy,
Speaker 1: whereas those who come in without such education tend to
Speaker 1: be a drain. But it also has to do with
Speaker 1: eight what age you immigrate to this country. It's an
Speaker 1: interesting outlook on things and would actually restore tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to the bottom line, meaning reducing our
Speaker 1: deficit if we followed this plan. Really interesting stuff with
Speaker 1: Daniel de Martinez. He's next on the Scottslowan Show on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW Cincinnati Boom Dot.
Speaker 5: On seven hundred WLW. The immigration fights that we needeep
Speaker 5: into lots of fights, including immigration, get illegals out, keep
Speaker 5: the legal at ten. But who out of that long
Speaker 5: line gets in? Who stays?
Speaker 1: Maybe a better question of who is rather than maybe
Speaker 1: how many? And should the US admit them through reform
Speaker 1: and immigration system? Who should get in at this point?
Speaker 1: So the Manhattan Institute their thing tank, and they studied
Speaker 1: a ten and thirty year impacts of dozens of our
Speaker 1: nation's immigration policies over the years and categorize immigrants on
Speaker 1: tax revenue, federal spending GDP, population, and who gives us
Speaker 1: a benefit in who takes away? With the answers Daniel
Speaker 1: di Martino of the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you very good? Thank you for having me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you find that if you're younger and you're educated,
Speaker 1: you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.
Speaker 1: They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend
Speaker 1: to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That
Speaker 1: is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're
Speaker 1: going to get into here, but essentially that's the core
Speaker 1: of this thing is that's really not surprising.
Speaker 6: Is it. It is not because we have a progressive
Speaker 6: tax system and we have a welfare system that gives
Speaker 6: benefits to people based on how little they make. Right,
Speaker 6: So if you bring in a lot of four people
Speaker 6: or elderly people that will receive entitlements, then those people
Speaker 6: will be a next cost to the federal government. That's
Speaker 6: a no brainer.
Speaker 1: So why does the college agree make such a vast Efforence.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking millions of dollars in that one
Speaker 1: person's financial impact, and of course the ledge what's driving
Speaker 1: that game?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people tell me, but you know,
Speaker 6: a college degree is and all you need, and like,
Speaker 6: of course these are all averages. This doesn't mean that
Speaker 6: there're aren't immigrants or high school dropouts that do better. Right.
Speaker 6: There are many college dropouts that create a big company,
Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean that that's the most common case.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college
Speaker 6: degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A
Speaker 6: college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer
Speaker 6: thing to have than in America. And so when you
Speaker 6: bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,
Speaker 6: you can assure yourself that that person comes from a
Speaker 6: much more elit background.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we have countless
Speaker 1: people who have college degrees that complain they can't find
Speaker 1: a job in their chosen field and they have a
Speaker 1: degree and go, okay, great, I can't service the loan
Speaker 1: that I took out to get that degree, and I'm
Speaker 1: doing something I don't want to do, and I never
Speaker 1: see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this
Speaker 1: country and sit seed and contribute to the GDP. Is
Speaker 1: it about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees
Speaker 1: here and not just a degree?
Speaker 6: Well, it's true that immigrants do you specialize like the
Speaker 6: immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are
Speaker 6: even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And
Speaker 6: also they just have an even an even higher education
Speaker 6: and go to different universities. Right, So you know people
Speaker 6: talk about like people who graduate from the US University's
Speaker 6: Americans who get a STEM degree or it's an underground degree,
Speaker 6: you know, that counts biology, that counts like a regular
Speaker 6: engineering degree. And if you're competing as people who have
Speaker 6: a master's degree or a PhD, I mean obviously you
Speaker 6: can't get the job that you want, and then you
Speaker 6: also have the other fact, which is infrant start businesses,
Speaker 6: so they expand the economy that way, the average immigrant
Speaker 6: does not look like the average person in that country.
Speaker 6: And then there's a lot of who tell me, well,
Speaker 6: but we want to keep those jobs for Americans, right like,
Speaker 6: we don't want them to replace the native born college
Speaker 6: graduates who are seeking opportunities. And that's that's just not
Speaker 6: how the labor market works. When you have more people
Speaker 6: in the labor market, you don't have the same number
Speaker 6: of jobs. There are relative wage effects, that is true,
Speaker 6: but because immigrants also at the highly educated level, you know,
Speaker 6: people like you at Musk who came on a twenty
Speaker 6: visas or people like Jensen Huang, they end up also
Speaker 6: increasing productivity and wages for people who are college educated.
Speaker 1: Dan, you found that the fifty year old immigrant looks
Speaker 1: great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant
Speaker 1: by them mistic Okay, things are great to productive, but
Speaker 1: by year thirty it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: It tends to be a net gain for this country.
Speaker 1: So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like
Speaker 1: doc and can you walk?
Speaker 2: Can you walk? Through us.
Speaker 1: Well, why that that flip happens.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I did estimates on a ten and thirty
Speaker 6: year basis before I have done them last year on
Speaker 6: a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to ten
Speaker 6: in thirty years is because of Congress. When they pass legislation,
Speaker 6: the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the ten year
Speaker 6: budget window and then secondarily.
Speaker 2: About the thirty year budget window.
Speaker 6: So when they're deciding to pay legislation, they need this
Speaker 6: estimates like I made it. And so that's a problem though,
Speaker 6: because you're right, a fifty year old limigrant on an
Speaker 6: average will look good over the next ten years because
Speaker 6: it's going to be from the age of fifty to
Speaker 6: age of sixty. And an immigrant who is ten years old,
Speaker 6: a child that comes with a family is going to
Speaker 6: look bad because it's not when I work from age
Speaker 6: ten to twenty. So that shifts over the third year
Speaker 6: window because then the older imigrant is going to collect
Speaker 6: security and Medicare and the young evenion is going to
Speaker 6: start working. So people need to keep done in mind
Speaker 6: and understand these are averages and if you want to
Speaker 6: benefit the budget in the long run, you need younger
Speaker 6: people and you need more, you get it.
Speaker 2: People got to Daniel D.
Speaker 1: Martina, Manhattan Institute breaking a study here of ten and
Speaker 1: thirty year impacts of immigration, and the bottom line is
Speaker 1: that education drives fiscal impact, but age matters a lot too.
Speaker 1: That young immigrants look costly in the short term but
Speaker 1: benefits in the long term. Middle aged immigrants show the
Speaker 1: opposite because they get the retirement benefits. And that's the
Speaker 1: flip that's going on here. Let me pivot to the
Speaker 1: H one visa debate that has become pretty controversial right
Speaker 1: with wanting to charge money and charging literally a small
Speaker 1: fortune to get that H one B. Some say it's
Speaker 1: essential or they say, well, we should just eliminate this thing.
Speaker 2: What is your data show?
Speaker 6: Well, the H one B regardless of what people think
Speaker 6: that based on the characteristics of the people who come
Speaker 6: on H one bs, they are the ones that pay
Speaker 6: the most taxes and receive the least government benefits of
Speaker 6: any of these categories. And so if you are a
Speaker 6: conservative and you're like like myself, I think you know
Speaker 6: work the immigrant. Do you want to come to America?
Speaker 6: Do you want an immigrant who does not depend on
Speaker 6: the government, who speaks English, who have a job who
Speaker 6: there's no comic crimes, and who you know, adopts American costumes.
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, then immigrants to commin H
Speaker 6: one with visas are any deal immigrant. That doesn't mean
Speaker 6: that it's a perfect system, right, it's a lottery, So
Speaker 6: you don't want to distribute the spots on a lottery
Speaker 6: but instead based on perhaps something more meritorious. But even then,
Speaker 6: the system is better than any other visa program that
Speaker 6: we have.
Speaker 1: Ye I see a lot of communities are changing because
Speaker 1: of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of money to the show. Now the other side
Speaker 1: of this, and someone casual listening go, okay, you got
Speaker 1: this guy from Manhattan and Daniel de Martino who wants
Speaker 1: I educated people with advanced degrees because they bring a
Speaker 1: small fortune and massive fortune, and even small fortune to
Speaker 1: the country could help balance the deficit and do all
Speaker 1: these wonderful things. They don't drain the system, and they're
Speaker 1: paying the taxes and that's helping older people, and that's
Speaker 1: all well and good. But does this simply mean that
Speaker 1: we don't need anyone who's not educated in America? We
Speaker 1: don't need that immigrant labor that we don't need people
Speaker 1: at the low end.
Speaker 2: Of the Trump.
Speaker 6: Well, America has a program called the H two A
Speaker 6: and the HTVVSA programs. The H two A is seasonal
Speaker 6: agricultural labor. Now, even though those are on you know,
Speaker 6: people who generally don't have a high school diploma, they're
Speaker 6: working in farms.
Speaker 2: For low wages.
Speaker 6: The reality is that we didn't have them, the farms
Speaker 6: would shut down. It would be too expensive to farm
Speaker 6: in America. We would just import the food from other countries.
Speaker 6: But we cannot import everything, like we cannot import a
Speaker 6: hair cards because you have to do it in person.
Speaker 6: But we can import every agricultural product. So the advantage
Speaker 6: is that, yes, you keep that industry here, you create
Speaker 6: jobs for Americans and agriculture as well. And then the
Speaker 6: second it's seasonal, so these immigrants never stay. They leave
Speaker 6: after a season or two, and so they never collect
Speaker 6: government benefits. That is okay to have, well you cannot have.
Speaker 6: It's allowing people who make very little money to immigrate
Speaker 6: permanently to the United States because if they do, the
Speaker 6: mass is that they will simply lower debt.
Speaker 1: They will I get the agriculture element because that's a
Speaker 1: national security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.
Speaker 1: We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,
Speaker 1: it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread
Speaker 1: basket here in the United States of America, produce lot
Speaker 1: of corn, soybeing, et cetera, et cetera. But on the
Speaker 1: regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm fields, whatsoever,
Speaker 1: that are Americans going to fill that void? I mean
Speaker 1: working in a I don't know, a meat processing plant
Speaker 1: for example, or something along those lines, where it's physical labor,
Speaker 1: building houses work, doing roof jobs and construction and dry
Speaker 1: wall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs. It's seemingly, and
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about this immigrant labor, if
Speaker 1: you completely.
Speaker 2: Got rid of that, it ceased to exist.
Speaker 1: I get that they you know, they live here, but
Speaker 1: they a lot of them go and start their own
Speaker 1: business too. There's got to be a carve out for that,
Speaker 1: right because, let's face it, there are jobs out there
Speaker 1: we don't want our kids to take well.
Speaker 6: So the thing is that weges would change, even in agriculture,
Speaker 6: would change if you didn't have immigrant workers. The wages
Speaker 6: would increase. The problem is that for them, cultural industry.
Speaker 6: It would just end the industry, right that we would
Speaker 6: just import the food. But that's not the case. And
Speaker 6: the same thing first, for example tech, if we didn't
Speaker 6: have highly educated workers, what the tech industry is that
Speaker 6: they opened in an office in Canada and then they
Speaker 6: do everything from there because everything's remote. So you would
Speaker 6: rather have those resources here. But the issue with other
Speaker 6: things like construction is that you would still have construction,
Speaker 6: it would just be a higher price that Even then,
Speaker 6: most of the cost of housing has nothing to do
Speaker 6: with construction and everything to do with materials, so you know,
Speaker 6: the tiers are harming or sony laws which we can change,
Speaker 6: so we don't really need or it wouldn't really be
Speaker 6: beneficial to have a lot of immigrants, low paid coming
Speaker 6: for construction because they will receive with just a lot
Speaker 6: of welfare. Alternatively, you could still have a guest worker
Speaker 6: program that is seasonal, ensuring that people go back and
Speaker 6: never stay permanently and collect entitlements.
Speaker 1: Daniel de Martino, Manhattan Institute on Immigration. This morning on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW, so we talked about younger educated immigrants
Speaker 1: and advanced degrees a huge bunda the economy.
Speaker 2: We need more of them.
Speaker 1: Employment based high skilled visa holders not benefit there as well.
Speaker 1: What about extended family.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants
Speaker 6: coming to America. They come with very little English proficiency,
Speaker 6: you know, medium to low levels of education, and they
Speaker 6: end up receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay.
Speaker 6: This is why my proposal to how we should change
Speaker 6: the imtigation system is simply we take in all these
Speaker 6: extended relative pieces and we just give them out based
Speaker 6: on whether immigrants have a good English, whether they have
Speaker 6: a good education, whether they're young, whether they have a
Speaker 6: job offer in the United States, and then that's how
Speaker 6: the labor market comes through the gap, you know, without
Speaker 6: picking winners and losers. And then the employment based business
Speaker 6: that we already have, we just ranking them to the
Speaker 6: highest paid instead without care of the profession. You know,
Speaker 6: it's not about education, it's about who pays the most.
Speaker 6: If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like incredible and
Speaker 6: he's getting paid one hundred and fifty K, then bringing
Speaker 6: that carpenter right, that's the market showing its signal through
Speaker 6: the price.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: When the family comes along, it's different, But how many
Speaker 1: immigrants will that dissuade from coming to the United States
Speaker 1: if they can't bring their their wife, their kids, significant others,
Speaker 1: one of your.
Speaker 6: Mom or I'm not saying anything about wife and children.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying eliminate the stibling category, the adult children category,
Speaker 6: who together they bring in one hundred and thirty one
Speaker 6: thousand people. You might say, well, now, but people want
Speaker 6: to bring in their siblings or they are adults children
Speaker 6: the relative that they can't anymore anyway, because the system,
Speaker 6: the family system already exists in is so backlog that
Speaker 6: it takes twenty years. It's the same of the didnert exists.
Speaker 6: We need to get rid of it and give it
Speaker 6: based from marriage instead. In fact, you seem more fair
Speaker 6: because if you're an imager living into the Philippines and
Speaker 6: you don't have a relative in the US, when you're
Speaker 6: out of luck, you can't come. And no matter how
Speaker 6: educated you get, no matter how great you are, under
Speaker 6: a system based on your characteristics, you are not dependent
Speaker 6: on the law of how in a relative in America
Speaker 6: you come.
Speaker 2: To a man and am of that.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog which encourages illegal immigration.
Speaker 1: Here I mean, if you have to wait twenty years,
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years for your case of here and possibly
Speaker 1: get at that point, why would you if you're coming
Speaker 1: from such an impoverished and most dangerous part of the world.
Speaker 1: I take my chances and slip across the border, fire them.
Speaker 1: It's a matter between life and death. Who's got fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty years to wait for you're allowed to come to
Speaker 1: the United States of America.
Speaker 2: This would cut that down.
Speaker 6: I would think, yes, I think I would re use
Speaker 6: the incentive. But at the same time, we have learned
Speaker 6: that if the president wants to, they can secure the border,
Speaker 6: and President Trump has so that's also note necessarily ast
Speaker 6: important to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I mean
Speaker 1: we're not functioning right now as we speak. As you know, Danielle,
Speaker 1: what's the political feasibility of this thing? You have to
Speaker 1: do some tremendous coalition building just to have someone hear
Speaker 1: this whole thing between family visa cuts and legalization with
Speaker 1: fees and deportations and all that stuff. It's a messy proposition.
Speaker 1: In reality, politics doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6: So absolutely they I'll say, President Trump, with the funding
Speaker 6: that he got from the one big beautiful bills for deportations,
Speaker 6: and how that's drunk enough and hopefully you know, so
Speaker 6: we will know that the legality of the DAKA program
Speaker 6: from the Supreme courts. I think those two factors combined
Speaker 6: the fact that we already get done with the tax
Speaker 6: cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably
Speaker 6: going to go to another topic. Then that topic might
Speaker 6: be immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the
Speaker 6: funding he got for the deportations, and in the Democrats
Speaker 6: were smart, they would come to the negotiating table, right,
Speaker 6: because you need sixty votes in the Senate to pass.
Speaker 2: Anything that's not budget related.
Speaker 6: So if the Democrats say, you know, we negotiate, we
Speaker 6: can legalize some people. Yes, the tool will reduce family immigration,
Speaker 6: and we will bring in more high school immigrants. But
Speaker 6: if they don't negotiate, then maybe a million more people
Speaker 6: than deported. So we will know how much they really
Speaker 6: care about that very soon.
Speaker 2: Dana d.
Speaker 1: Martini, you analyze this. You looked at ten and thirty
Speaker 1: year impacts of literally dozens of immigration policy US has
Speaker 1: had and categorizing the immigrants on tax revenue and population GDP,
Speaker 1: federal spending and all that if this were to come
Speaker 1: to fruition and we did it the way you suggest here,
Speaker 1: what are we looking at as far as a savings
Speaker 1: relative to the national debt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So under my plan, which would just shift immigrant
Speaker 6: visas towards more highly educated categories with a change namagan
Speaker 6: flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit, and
Speaker 6: then legalizing the people who are here legally as long
Speaker 6: as they pay without a fiveway to citizenship, but allowing
Speaker 6: them to work in state as long as they pay
Speaker 6: five thousand dollars a year for ten years of fifty
Speaker 6: k to reduce the deb and they obviously they are
Speaker 6: not criminals. All that that will reduce the national debt
Speaker 6: from its current trijectory by twenty trillion dollars over thirty years.
Speaker 6: It will reduce or essentially over the long run, it
Speaker 6: would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important
Speaker 6: because it means we don't to cut.
Speaker 2: Some security or raise.
Speaker 6: Access if we pursue radical immigration reform right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other element here too, of course is
Speaker 1: unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying charging five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year for X number of years, and that would
Speaker 1: reduce the debt and their burden on the system. But
Speaker 1: how realistic is that to actually.
Speaker 6: Execute the people who don't pay it. Then they are
Speaker 6: the fine targets for deportation because it means that they're
Speaker 6: not willing to pay it under skier of them, so
Speaker 6: they're much easier to report.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, and that literally would take her. It's of course,
Speaker 1: you know, then we're back to the political questions because
Speaker 1: Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have
Speaker 1: much already and they can't afford five thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: to shake down. But you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we're all paying for this.
Speaker 2: Daniel de Martin.
Speaker 6: Yeah, America is not supposed to be the welfare state
Speaker 6: of the world. Right, if you do not sustain yourself,
Speaker 6: I pay it after you broke the law. It seems
Speaker 6: like a really reasonable penalty that would benefit the nation.
Speaker 1: Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't
Speaker 1: that big an ask? I'll be honest with you, Daniel
Speaker 1: de Martino at the Manhattan Institute, Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Really interesting, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the program makes sense, but then you're
Speaker 1: gonna have the fields right, Well, you can't, you can't, Chary,
Speaker 1: you can't these people already, Oh my god, somebody's got
Speaker 1: to stand up for the And then, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: the thing stagnates, it gets water down, and what sounds
Speaker 1: like a pretty decent plan winds up while costing his money.
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Speaker 2: But embarrassing a game you had.
Speaker 1: Well in hand against the winless team at pay Corps
Speaker 1: Stadium bends up thirty one sixteen and can't put it away.
Speaker 1: Gave up what twenty three to twenty in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter thirty nine points to A guy was benched by
Speaker 1: the worst team in football, justin Fields twenty one thirty two,
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty four yards a TD and no
Speaker 1: interceptions and coming off two games, by the way, with
Speaker 1: a quarterback rating under sixty, so bad that his owner
Speaker 1: demanded him to be benched, and he was until Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor got hurt. And now you got Justin fieldsen Now
Speaker 1: he looks like every bit the guy they ought he
Speaker 1: was when they got him. No Garrett Wilson, no Josh Reynolds,
Speaker 1: one guy essentially on offense running the football beat the
Speaker 1: Bengals yesterday thirty nine thirty eight. The Bengals fall to
Speaker 1: three and five with Chicago on the schedule next. James
Speaker 1: rapenis here from SIS Bengals Talk dot com and the
Speaker 1: Daily Lockdown Bengals podcast. James, your head has to be
Speaker 1: reeling this morning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, Scott, and I still
Speaker 4: even now, would it at sixteen hours or whatever it
Speaker 4: is removed? I cannot believe they lost that game. And
Speaker 4: they had a fifteen.
Speaker 2: Point lead in the fourth quarter, a fourteen point lead
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, five different times they had a
Speaker 2: double digit lead in that game. And yet we are
Speaker 2: talking about a three and five team and a one
Speaker 2: in five team without Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I remember when the Bengals back in twenty eighteen, they
Speaker 1: lost like fifty one fourteen to the Saints and they
Speaker 1: got last time they got smoked in twenty ten by
Speaker 1: the Jets was thirty seven nothing. I thought, okay, that
Speaker 1: forty seven to ten loss against Minnesota just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I thought that is that this is
Speaker 1: up there with one of the worst in Bengals, sister.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about this from a team that said
Speaker 1: really really really low lows. Where in your mind, James
Speaker 1: Rapine does this lost rank yesterday?
Speaker 2: Well, this could very well end up being the.
Speaker 4: Worst loss of the Zach Taylor era outside of you know,
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl from a meaning standpoint, but when this
Speaker 4: could do to this season and what would have happened
Speaker 4: if they had won it versus what they could go
Speaker 4: down in the past, they could go down now like
Speaker 4: this is this is one of those games where you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I wonder, I wonder what the twenty twenty five Bengals
Speaker 4: would be like if they had won that game against
Speaker 4: the right and instead they go on to win four
Speaker 4: games total and they win one more game the rest
Speaker 4: of the way. I'm not saying that's going to happen,
Speaker 4: and I think there's enough talent, certainly on offense. But like,
Speaker 4: it's how it feels today. That's how it felt after
Speaker 4: the games, and Jamar Chase is saying, ask Zach, and
Speaker 4: that's a question for Zach, and it just it felt
Speaker 4: like that was a big, big moment. So I think
Speaker 4: historically at a huge game, huge loss because of what
Speaker 4: it could mean moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the Super Bowl lost the Rams, but
Speaker 1: that was the blanket. I'm literally a quarter of a
Speaker 1: second he completes the ball, and it's a different story
Speaker 1: the Bengals win the Super Bowl. We're that close. Bengals
Speaker 1: are that close. This is the exact opposite of that.
Speaker 1: This was what a demoralizing defeat to come back to
Speaker 1: put it up by that much and then lose the
Speaker 1: lead so many times and then at the end get
Speaker 1: beat essentially on a half back pass.
Speaker 2: Who's this on? Who do you blame?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is going to be something. There's layers
Speaker 4: to it, and you know, you can certainly start with
Speaker 4: the front office for thinking that they should run it
Speaker 4: back with the defense. That's been as bad as the
Speaker 4: defense was last year, and so for them to run
Speaker 4: it back and do basically what they did is they
Speaker 4: changed a few of the coaches, obviously defensive coordinator out
Speaker 4: of Golden and then they said, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 4: we'll get a nose tackle in here. What they needed
Speaker 4: one and that's going to fix it. Well it didn't
Speaker 4: fix it. In fact, it's worse. This is the worst
Speaker 4: base fin They are dead last in points per game,
Speaker 4: nearly thirty two points per game given up, dead last
Speaker 4: and rushing yards per game, dead last in yards per game,
Speaker 4: third last, and passing yards per game. You see an
Speaker 4: there like they stick. Their defensive line has had a
Speaker 4: sack since Week five. Their last sack came in week
Speaker 4: six when Gino Stone, a safety, had a sack on
Speaker 4: Jordan Love in Green Bay. This defense stinks, and so
Speaker 4: it starts with the front office. It isn't just there
Speaker 4: is that Taylor picked out Golden Al Golden's not getting
Speaker 4: it done.
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor's the.
Speaker 2: Head coach, so I always resort to that. I try
Speaker 2: to remind people he's not just the offensive side, right,
Speaker 2: he's the head coach. And so no, I think there's
Speaker 2: plenty of blame to go around. It starts at the top.
Speaker 2: It certainly trickles down to the coaching staff as well.
Speaker 1: When the coaches. Someone's got to step up and make
Speaker 1: a play. Someone's got to step up and make a play.
Speaker 1: The lack of playmakers, that's on Duke Tobin.
Speaker 4: Sure, no doubt in that is with without a doubt
Speaker 4: this defense. No one can debate it.
Speaker 2: Nobody. They do not have enough playmakers. And and we
Speaker 2: saw that yesterday, and by playmakers. I can also just
Speaker 2: break that down to guys who can tackle, Guys who
Speaker 2: can run and hie off of the block and be
Speaker 2: a basic play can't tackle.
Speaker 1: Wow, how do you look so good against Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: then lay this egg?
Speaker 2: Well they didn't. That's that's what's that's what's so concerning.
Speaker 2: This isn't one bad quarter. Yeah, this was a.
Speaker 4: Defense that tried to give away that pause first game
Speaker 4: and they let Pat fryer Mouth get open and give
Speaker 4: up a sixty eight yard touchdown and move the league,
Speaker 4: bumble the lead away. And yeah, they forced a couple
Speaker 4: of turnovers, And I get that that's great, but you
Speaker 4: need to be able to get off the field and
Speaker 4: when you're up fourteen with and I tweeted this playout
Speaker 4: last night, when you're up fourteen thirty eight twenty four
Speaker 4: eight minutes to go and the Jets are still comfortable
Speaker 4: running the ball, Like that's that's the biggest advice. Like
Speaker 4: that's so insulting, right, like so insulting, Like you never
Speaker 4: see that across the league. I watched a ton of
Speaker 4: NFL football. If you're done two scores in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 4: very rarely.
Speaker 2: You're not running the ball. You're not running the ball
Speaker 2: in there running like crazy. Yeah, but but that is
Speaker 2: the only weapon.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the injuries that lovely oh and
Speaker 1: seven New York Jets came in and everybody was hurt.
Speaker 1: We thought, oh, it was gonna be a get to
Speaker 1: see Sauce Pardner homecoming weekend at you see see how
Speaker 1: he matches up against Chase And that'd be kind of fun,
Speaker 1: right because he shut him down last time.
Speaker 2: Maybe some revenge.
Speaker 1: Now he's out, your top two, your receivers are Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson's out. Everyone in the building knew and everyone watching
Speaker 1: it new that Breese Hall was the only weapon they had.
Speaker 1: The only threat you had was Breese Hall. How did
Speaker 1: you hit one hundred and thirty three yards and what
Speaker 1: two touchdowns? And of course with the game winner? How
Speaker 1: is that possible?
Speaker 4: And that's why I looked at the coaching because if
Speaker 4: you pay attention to and I posted all the postgame comments,
Speaker 4: but like Jamar Chase on the final drive when the
Speaker 4: Bengals are down and if they gotta have a moment,
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, they ran double double on me and
Speaker 4: t because why they didn't want Jamar and hey, to
Speaker 4: beat them, so they double team both of those guys.
Speaker 4: If you know Breese Hall is the only dude that
Speaker 4: can beat you realistically, is that there some way coaching
Speaker 4: wise you can make sure he does not beat you.
Speaker 4: And he did over and over and over again in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, when again they were so comfortable running
Speaker 4: the ball and getting explosive runs and trunk plays on
Speaker 4: the ground that they were running the ball late in
Speaker 4: this game down two scores.
Speaker 1: Back to the play calling Taylor and his Marvin S
Speaker 1: clock management. I don't know what he was doing midfield,
Speaker 1: and it runs it with forty two seconds left, one
Speaker 1: yard gain on a running play when you're trying to
Speaker 1: score and then you're trying to hit Andre Joseavas twice
Speaker 1: with the game on the line, you're completely a coach there.
Speaker 1: What would you look at that and go, that's hip,
Speaker 1: that's bush league.
Speaker 4: Well, this is where coaching slash the offense comes in
Speaker 4: because as bad as the defense was, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 4: the offense still could have done it. Could We could
Speaker 4: have been talking about a four and fourteen that needs
Speaker 4: to figure out the defense. But hey, they went too
Speaker 4: straight and so games on the line, you get a
Speaker 4: first down by hanging it off the chase Brown and
Speaker 4: so all right, you're at the forty five yard line.
Speaker 4: I like the first down play to andre Yosavash. It
Speaker 4: was a it was a steam ball. It's really tough
Speaker 4: cashing and catch it clean and then he gets hit.
Speaker 4: But like, I like the idea of it, because if
Speaker 4: that ball is complete, your infield goal range boom right
Speaker 4: away second bound and this is where it falls apart
Speaker 4: is you run it with p Ryan, don't get it,
Speaker 4: have to call it time out. Now it's third and long.
Speaker 4: Guess what the whole world knows you're gonna throw it yep,
Speaker 4: and it makes it. It makes it much much tougher.
Speaker 4: Joe Flacko has to throw it away. Fourth down. Guess
Speaker 4: what they do. They take away the bengals two best
Speaker 4: players by double teaming them, and then you have to
Speaker 4: go to andre Jo Sabash and so yeah, I totally
Speaker 4: get that. So the second down run is a huge play.
Speaker 4: And then then on the drive fire they had to
Speaker 4: punt give the ball back to the Jets and they're
Speaker 4: only up six. The fact that you don't run it,
Speaker 4: the fact that you're just passing on that drive and
Speaker 4: you go three and out. That's another area. So like
Speaker 4: when things started to get tight, the Bengals got tight
Speaker 4: on offense, they needed to get one more score and
Speaker 4: at that point, you know it, you know you're going
Speaker 4: to have to score one more time, and they didn't.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I do think that the defense is
Speaker 4: going to take a ton of blame, and rightfully so.
Speaker 4: We spent plenty of time talking about the defense. But
Speaker 4: this offense and Zach Taylor, they should have, could have
Speaker 4: and didn't.
Speaker 2: Deliver with the game on the line on those final
Speaker 2: two jogs as good as they were all day long,
Speaker 2: and I did it thirty eight points five, but forty
Speaker 2: one is what it took to win the game, and
Speaker 2: they needed to go get a field goal and they
Speaker 2: didn't do it right.
Speaker 1: And it's not the tail and it's the play calling.
Speaker 1: This questionable, But above that is the defensive coaching. You
Speaker 1: know what's changed with Al Golding replacing lou Anaruma that
Speaker 1: they gave up over five hundred yards total offense to
Speaker 1: the freaking Jets. Jets haven't had that much offense and
Speaker 1: like flat well since the last time they played the Bengals.
Speaker 2: I think eleven.
Speaker 1: Sacks Bengals in the cellar the league there they can't
Speaker 1: rush the pass or you can't stop the run. And
Speaker 1: this is what a bad Jets team, made worse by
Speaker 1: the fact that all their quote unquote stars were pretty
Speaker 1: much out except for Briest Hall, who killed you. And
Speaker 1: so I look at that and go defensively, all right,
Speaker 1: we got al Golden, they're great. Lou Anroumo seems to
Speaker 1: be doing a k and Indy, yeah he does.
Speaker 4: And that's that was what lou was frustrated with. Like,
Speaker 4: he was frustrated with the lack of talent, right yep.
Speaker 4: And and the Bengal said, well, we've given you.
Speaker 2: A lot of talent.
Speaker 4: We've invested all these draft picks, and and that's where
Speaker 4: the disconnect was. And I think, one you better get
Speaker 4: better at drafting too. I do think Lou was wrong
Speaker 4: in the tooth here and there were some things that
Speaker 4: needed to change, so like, but clearly it wasn't just
Speaker 4: really Lou wasn't just a bad man and way off
Speaker 4: his rocker and wrong and you know, and that's what
Speaker 4: we're seeing. And that's that's what I think is it
Speaker 4: could be such a why this could be such a
Speaker 4: era defining, not just season defining, era defining.
Speaker 2: Loss, because I feel like if we if we looked
Speaker 2: off a few months from now, when we're talking about
Speaker 2: a new coaching staff and changes to the front office
Speaker 2: and all these things that could come, well, guess what
Speaker 2: you're going to point to that Judge game where if
Speaker 2: they win their four and four their half game back
Speaker 2: in the North because the Packers sable business last night.
Speaker 4: What a missed opportunity by this Bengals team to not
Speaker 4: get back to five hundred and be right there in
Speaker 4: the division and instead you you fumble it away, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Patty, you look at Pittsburgh. Man, it's a game
Speaker 1: that probably should liten.
Speaker 2: They want to win.
Speaker 1: In that game, everybody feels good. No one said up,
Speaker 1: you know the Jets are going to come in and
Speaker 1: beat the Bess. I thought, you know, going in and like,
Speaker 1: hey watch out and seventeams man, oh and seven teams
Speaker 1: oh in any team right in any league. They're a
Speaker 1: dangerous team. They'll do anything to win. But then you
Speaker 1: saw the injuris like there's no way, there's no way
Speaker 1: they can pull off this win.
Speaker 2: And yet they did.
Speaker 1: And as much as you talk about okay, well, Luina
Speaker 1: Roumo long in the tooth, put Al Golden in their
Speaker 1: new systems. It's the talent that they're getting, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Miles Murphy Shamar Stewart aren't getting the
Speaker 1: Bengals enough production in the investment they made. Let's face it,
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy's not exactly in the house down here. Stuart Okay,
Speaker 1: he sat out miss four games of the ankle. I
Speaker 1: get that he was non existent. CTV Logan will sing
Speaker 1: good run on the list all the guys that they
Speaker 1: brought back too, and said, Okay, we're just gonna stand
Speaker 1: pat here. Look what's happening. That's that's above El Golden,
Speaker 1: that's above Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's no doubt. And I think.
Speaker 4: That's why when they during free agency, because I'm really known,
Speaker 4: like there's not there's not someone in Cincinnati media that
Speaker 4: pushes for free agents and veterans more than me. I'm
Speaker 4: really loud about it because I want them to do it.
Speaker 4: And so guess what I've been loud about. I've been
Speaker 4: loud about it since I worked with Mo every day
Speaker 4: down right right. I just I want them to make
Speaker 4: moves because guess what, that's what wins in the NFL
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: You gotta be agress. You've got to go get guys
Speaker 2: you just do, and they didn't. They're big. Their big
Speaker 2: move this offseason was getting Jamar and t done during
Speaker 2: free agency when they could be talking to these other guys.
Speaker 1: Right and by dragged that whole thing out. And it's
Speaker 1: just and Trey.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just all of those that can
Speaker 4: wait till after mid March when you need to be
Speaker 4: focused on bringing an outside talent that can stop the
Speaker 4: run and tackle and do all of the things, the
Speaker 4: basic things that you need to do as an NFL
Speaker 4: football player that happens to play on defense.
Speaker 2: And so that's where that's where it started. And then
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, maybe the scheme will work and
Speaker 2: some of these rookies will work and some of these
Speaker 2: young players will play better and all those things. It
Speaker 2: just has not.
Speaker 4: It has not worked. I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: How do Schamar Stewart not have a quarterback hit yesterday
Speaker 4: against you know, like you need.
Speaker 2: Him to be that guy and he just hasn't been
Speaker 2: that s Is that coaching? Is it bad drafting? Is
Speaker 2: it not?
Speaker 1: I think that that's all should be on the table.
Speaker 1: And I'll mention too, they're one superstar. And Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 1: he got that light bio as a cheap shots. What
Speaker 1: it looked like to me, the way he glept off
Speaker 1: that field with that hit. Again, I don't know when
Speaker 1: he's coming back. I really don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree, it would be a cheap shot,
Speaker 2: borderline dirty, you might call it dirty. And and yeah,
Speaker 2: now where is your pass rush? Where is it coming from?
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart. We knew he was a raw prospect, but
Speaker 2: you need it, you got to have it now. And
Speaker 2: they didn't get it.
Speaker 1: And the Bears are better than the get Jets, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. And they're coming to town Sunday.
Speaker 2: Everyone's better than the Jets. That Jets teams still terrible.
Speaker 4: That Jets teams stinks, So for them to lose to that,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just there's we're not going to look
Speaker 4: back at the five weeks would be like, oh, we
Speaker 4: see you. The Judgs were good. No they're not, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: just terrible.
Speaker 1: James Rapine with Bengals Talk dot Com Lockedown Bengals Podcast.
Speaker 1: He should be doing two podcasts four podcasts today with
Speaker 1: all this material. But I won't tell you how to
Speaker 1: you do your job, James, but somebody need to tell
Speaker 1: the Bengals, the defense.
Speaker 2: How to do their job, to do their job.
Speaker 1: I understand that the Bengals defense was in charge of
Speaker 1: the Marty Brennman statue guarding it the night the microphone
Speaker 1: got stolen. So I don't know what the hell to
Speaker 1: make of anything in this town with our sports teams.
Speaker 1: I really really don't. The Bengals were just got awful yesterday.
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for it, and I've been around long
Speaker 1: enough to know it's not gonna change anytime soon. James,
Speaker 1: all the best, Buddy, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I heard they tried to tackle the guy who took
Speaker 2: the mic. They got away.
Speaker 1: He got away right in the end zone. Well the microphone,
Speaker 1: see you, buddy, appreciate it. Got to get to a
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