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Speaker 2: You very good? Scott?

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Speaker 1: You know, having gone to school and I here have

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Speaker 1: The thing is, today especially people believe things merely because

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Speaker 1: What else is going on in this world of ours?

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Speaker 1: try to look something positive on Monday morning. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many of those those things are going on.

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Speaker 1: Later on in the show, We're going to get ten

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Speaker 1: oh seven this morning. Kurt Ribers on from Freestore Food Bank.

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Speaker 1: We are now in the stage of the shutdown where

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Speaker 1: you're starting to feel its effects. You know, in the

443
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Speaker 1: early stages, first couple of weeks, for first two three

444
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Speaker 1: weeks in this thing, it's all theater. And I said that, look,

445
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Speaker 1: this is you know, when you're closing national parks and

446
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Speaker 1: not cutting grass and picking up trash, and you know

447
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Speaker 1: you're still doing construction on the White House. Army Navy

448
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 1: football game is tell you the service academies that are

449
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Speaker 1: doing what they we're paying soldiers. Okay, all, well, I'm good.

450
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Speaker 1: The first few weeks of this thing is theater. Then

451
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Speaker 1: you know, federal employees, okay, we're not getting a pay

452
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Speaker 1: check office start and it's like, okay, get a little

453
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Speaker 1: more serious, but still not that serious. Now you're talking

454
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Speaker 1: about snap benefits and stuff and people not eating. That's

455
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Speaker 1: a different story. And we'll see what happens on Saturday

456
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Speaker 1: if they can't find the money to keep people fed

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Speaker 1: in this country, I mean, think of it. We are

458
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Speaker 1: collectively a nation of largely fat bastards. We have more

459
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Speaker 1: food than we can possibly eat. We throw more food

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Speaker 1: out than most nations can produce, and at the same

461
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Speaker 1: time we have hungry people. You don't have to be

462
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Speaker 1: a diet in the world, progressive liberal, handwringing, tree hugging

463
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Speaker 1: democrat to not feel for your fellow man, especially if

464
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Speaker 1: you're I would say, if you're a Christian, do you

465
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Speaker 1: look at that and go that's that's horrific. But that

466
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Speaker 1: is part and parcel for what we're talking about. With

467
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Speaker 1: a government that only cares about their party, you know

468
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Speaker 1: you think they both care, they care about people. Now,

469
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Speaker 1: this is putting party over politics. And when we have

470
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Speaker 1: a shutdown that continues to plot along. When you get

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Speaker 1: to that thirty day mark, and there's a reason why

472
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Speaker 1: this is the second longest in history. The longest was

473
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Speaker 1: thirty five days, and thirty five days about the breaking

474
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Speaker 1: point where they say, okay, we got a we got

475
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Speaker 1: said this very well. Maybe what happens Saturday, if we

476
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Speaker 1: get to that point, might be the wake up call

477
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Speaker 1: for this to change. But once you get past thirty

478
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Speaker 1: days and it goes from theater into reality, and we'll

479
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Speaker 1: see that on Saturday with the with the snap cuts,

480
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Speaker 1: and both sides are just so dug in because of

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Speaker 1: the events. They're winning the political and pr battle. That's

482
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Speaker 1: all it is. They just look at their internals, They

483
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Speaker 1: look at their poll and go, oh, there our supporters.

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Speaker 1: There are one hundred percent with us year. They want

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Speaker 1: us to continue this fight. Well great, But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: don't like normal people, regular people, friends, family members, co workers, neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Don't they get squeezed out? You know the idea that

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Speaker 1: I understand that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but

489
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Speaker 1: they also tend to die of very slow death. You know,

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Speaker 1: the idea that the people getting snap benefits are like

491
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Speaker 1: a bunch of welfare queens and kings that simply sit around,

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Speaker 1: exist on government benefits and don't produce anything. The Ball

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Speaker 1: and Kurtil talk about this after ten o'clock. The bulk

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Speaker 1: of people or on that are actually working people and

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Speaker 1: working families, folks who are working multiple jobs that still

496
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Speaker 1: can't keep their head above water. That's an indictment of

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Speaker 1: our system for sure. Dems think Republicans are going to

498
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Speaker 1: shoulder the blame because they run washing and Trump dominates.

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Speaker 1: The political sphaesots all on them. The only thing that

500
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Speaker 1: they're above water on the Democrats talk about a you

501
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Speaker 1: think Republicans are messed up, that Democrats are horrible. The

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Speaker 1: only issue that they're upside on the right side on

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Speaker 1: them is healthcare. In the eyes of the American people,

504
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Speaker 1: all the pulling them indicate that Republicans win pretty every

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Speaker 1: major character, education, defense, you name it. But healthcare that's

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Speaker 1: the one area where Democrats are winning on. And this

507
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Speaker 1: is about subsidy to try and carry things on for

508
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Speaker 1: people through the first of the year up ti the

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Speaker 1: first year. We don't know what's going to happen with

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Speaker 1: an Affordable Care Act, which is of course just another

511
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Speaker 1: money shift, and no one will address the root issue

512
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Speaker 1: with this. No one wants to have a good faith conversation.

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Speaker 1: You have to have trust. No one trusts each other,

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Speaker 1: and so they'll look at their internal numbers to look

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Speaker 1: at their supporters. And meanwhile, if you know, if you're

516
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Speaker 1: a political kool aid drinker, you love that because your

517
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Speaker 1: side is winning, quote unquote winning. We're winning. We're winning

518
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Speaker 1: this one. We're winning, We're winning. Don't back down. You

519
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Speaker 1: got to win, stand and fight. And of course they'll

520
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Speaker 1: send out appeals asking you for your money so they

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Speaker 1: can continue that fight. But in the meantime, I think

522
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Speaker 1: the middle part of us, the electorate, looks at it going.

523
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Speaker 1: Who's benefiting from people starving or not getting their snap benefits.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see more people snap benefits. I

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Speaker 1: want to see left. I want to see people work

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Speaker 1: and buy their own food. But because the way they've

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Speaker 1: structured the system, the way the system is set up

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Speaker 1: right now, it's hard for a lot of people to

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Speaker 1: do that, and they get caught in the middle. I

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Speaker 1: think you can be compact, you can be a conservative,

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Speaker 1: and you can be compassionate about that too, and I

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Speaker 1: don't so hopefully maybe we can fill that gap with

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Speaker 1: the free store food bank. And like Annaway Kurt ribers

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Speaker 1: I mentioned coming up on the show at ten oh seven,

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Speaker 1: they caught half of them out of the four thieves

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Speaker 1: that used a ladder and a vehicle mounted the lift

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Speaker 1: to break into the louver in the Apollo Gallery. Last

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Speaker 1: week they have caught two of the four suspects of

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Speaker 1: the four thieves, one of them at least is trying

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Speaker 1: to flee the country. After the Crown jewel heust in France,

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Speaker 1: they still eight pieces of royal jewelry, necklaces, earrings, brooches.

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Speaker 1: The brooches and belonged to Napoleon's wives and the French Royalty.

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Speaker 1: So the question now is, well, that means we can

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Speaker 1: recover this stuff, right?

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Speaker 2: I got that a.

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Speaker 1: Rabbit hole this weekend reading about this, it was fascinating

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Speaker 1: that if you still let's say they still painting. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, and the reason why they targeted jewels

549
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Speaker 1: is because there are motorcycles. You can put them inside

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Speaker 1: your coat and you can drive away trying to carry

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Speaker 1: you, you know, a giant trying to carry the I don't

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Speaker 1: know the bone elite though, may cause people to look

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Speaker 1: at you go, I don't know. Yeah, that looks kind

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Speaker 1: of familiar. Probably not the best idea. And plus was

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Speaker 1: stolen paintings, you can't it's hard to sell because thieves

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Speaker 1: can't show legal ownership. You know, there's no title to it,

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Speaker 1: like a car or house, and so you have to

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Speaker 1: sit at it for a long time, maybe end up

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Speaker 1: in you know, in a legitimate collection at some point

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Speaker 1: in the future, but not anytime soon. So stolen artwork

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Speaker 1: like that, I forget it. But jewelry a different story.

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Speaker 1: And they're saying that there's a ten percent chance, a

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Speaker 1: ten percent chance that this can be recovered. The experts

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Speaker 1: seem to think right now that the precious jewels, the

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Speaker 1: crown jewels that were stolen had been broken up in

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Speaker 1: the smaller gemstones, the metals had been melted down and

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Speaker 1: reshaped and sold to dealers who have no idea what

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Speaker 1: it is. And now, granted it's a fraction of the value,

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Speaker 1: because we were talking about one hundred million dollars is

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Speaker 1: what all these were worth. But guess what those gems

571
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Speaker 1: and that melted down gold and silver and all that

572
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Speaker 1: stuff still worth millions and millions of dollars. And so

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Speaker 1: maybe they said there's a ten percent chance I'll recover

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Speaker 1: this stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Also, about ninety percent nine and ten museum heights are

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Speaker 1: inside jobs, and this kind of feels like an inside

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Speaker 1: job if you watch it, if you followed it at all.

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Speaker 1: I did a little bit just because you know, art

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Speaker 1: heists and heists in general kind of fascinating. You know,

581
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Speaker 1: there's a Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen marathon on this WEEKND.

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Speaker 1: I kind of flipped around soft parts of that, thinking

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Speaker 1: that it's like the Louver, right, But most of it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, inside jobs, and most of it's stolen during

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Speaker 1: storage or transit, not the stuff that's in the display gallery,

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Speaker 1: which makes us even more compelling because actually brought broke

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Speaker 1: in and stole items that are on display. Because most

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Speaker 1: museums a lot of stuff. Museum, especially louve I think

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Speaker 1: something like ten percent of their objects are on display.

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Speaker 1: Ninety percent of the stuff is in storage somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: you think, okay, well, stealing it from storage is a

592
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Speaker 1: hell of a lot easier then stealing something on display.

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Speaker 1: But again they had I think a third or more

594
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Speaker 1: of the security cameras were down in that area, and

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Speaker 1: it was just a logistical nightmare and mess and certainly

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Speaker 1: makes the French government look incompetent and they don't need

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Speaker 1: any more help looking like that, Like I guess they're

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, we may have to check the

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Speaker 1: lineage of the Bengals defense and maybe a connection to

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Speaker 1: France there.

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, they caught two of these individuals, one trying

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Speaker 1: to flee the country. But the idea they're going to

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Speaker 1: get the jewels back, according to the experts are saying

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Speaker 1: it's a ten percent chance that the stuff has already

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Speaker 1: melted down and already sold. For that matter, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could take I don't know, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of jewelry, break the stones off, have somebody split the

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Speaker 1: rocks down. Now you've got loose diamonds and emeralds and

610
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: rubies and sapphires and all those precious gemstones. And then

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Speaker 1: just take the metal that was holding it and melt

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Speaker 1: that down into what I don't know, but into maybe

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Speaker 1: a different form of jewelry. Doesn't take all that much work,

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Speaker 1: if you think about it. You just need some unscrupulous

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Speaker 1: jewelers to do that for you. And there's probably enough

616
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Speaker 1: money in it to find unscrupulous jewelers. So who knows,

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Speaker 1: maybe that next engagementing Dimary and Pennant whatever it might

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Speaker 1: be one of the French ground jewels. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you're getting engaged, can you buy the ring and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't say this, but that was that

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Speaker 1: was one of the Napoleonic jewels are in there? Really,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell anybody. You can't tell anybody. But then again,

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Speaker 1: you better trust that person because they'll roll on you.

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Speaker 1: That's what they do. Eventually, they'll roll on you. It's

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Speaker 1: five point three seven four nine seven eight hundred the

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Speaker 1: Big One talkback iHeartRadio app on this Monday Morning with

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Speaker 1: Scott's Loan here on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: I want you got something back on seven hundred WW.

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Speaker 1: So starting Saturday, we're on the clock right now, about

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Speaker 1: forty two million low income people will not get their

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Speaker 1: SNAP that's a supplemental Nutrition Assistance program benefits unless Congress

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Speaker 1: breaks the stalemate. Got to fund the government and hit

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Speaker 1: things back open. So as things stand right now, and

634
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Speaker 1: this is a very local concern, is that the big

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Speaker 1: beautiful Bill already cuts SNAP by like one hundred and

636
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Speaker 1: eighty six billion, which is the largest cut in history.

637
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Speaker 1: We're headed into winter and the holidays, which means demand

638
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: for services is going up. And right here in Sinsey,

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Speaker 1: the Free Store Food Bank is the largest emergency food

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Speaker 1: and service provider to children and families in all of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati or Kentucky and southeast Indiana. They hand out over

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Speaker 1: fifty almost fifty million meals annually to low income people

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Speaker 1: and families. And the question is the strain that they're

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Speaker 1: going to face or maybe they're they're staying right now.

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Speaker 1: He is the CEO of the Free Store, and that's

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Speaker 1: Kurt ryber Back on the show this.

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Speaker 2: Morning, How You Been, I'm Scot yourself. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You know, the story kept coming out and okay, we've

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Speaker 1: got the government shutdown and now the snap benefits are

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Speaker 1: going to go away starting Saturday, and we know they're

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Speaker 1: already cuts to snap under the big beautiful bill, and

653
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Speaker 1: we know that the appeal starts. It's ongoing appeal. Of course,

654
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Speaker 1: it's year round, but seemingly around the holidays, right around

655
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and Chris us in winter months, there's more demand

656
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Speaker 1: for you guys as well. Are you starting to feel

657
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Speaker 1: the impact.

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Speaker 2: Yet, Well, we've always seen just based on their higher

659
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Speaker 2: growthery prices and the higher cost of living that we're

660
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: seeing right now due to inflation. Scott, we're seeing an increase.

661
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Speaker 2: Over the past two years. We've seen about a thirty

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Speaker 2: five percent increase in demand at our two markets, our

663
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Speaker 2: detailing market and our Liberty Street market, and then our

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Speaker 2: six hundred plus pantry that we serve in the twenty

665
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Speaker 2: counties served by the Free Star are letting us know

666
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: also that they're seeing increased demand. Typically, when kids go

667
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Speaker 2: back to school, we see the demand drop off a

668
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Speaker 2: little bit because eight out of ten kids are eligible

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Speaker 2: for free and reduced lunches, which is also going to

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Speaker 2: be impacted by this government shutdown as well. But I

671
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: think what we're seeing right now is that people were

672
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Speaker 2: living paycheck to paycheck during the pandemic, and that continues

673
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: because people have burned through those reserves, so they've been

674
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Speaker 2: relying on a freestore food bank and our sister food

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Speaker 2: banks across the country at a much higher level.

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Speaker 1: So we've got literally tens of thousands here in Cincinnati

677
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Speaker 1: that are potentially losing food assistants coming up. How are

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Speaker 1: you guys the freestore preparing for what could be a

679
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Speaker 1: massive influx of people who never used the food bank before.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've been reaching out to the federal employees, the

681
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: military families, the folks that have been impacted by the

682
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: furloughs and the layoffs, because we want to let them

683
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Speaker 2: know that we're available and we're there to help them

684
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Speaker 2: through this difficult, challenging time. We're looking right now as

685
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Speaker 2: to whether or not we're able to increase our food

686
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: distributions at least at our two markets, at our Betailor

687
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: market and our Literaty market to twice a month, typically

688
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Speaker 2: during the summer months when the kid drop from school,

689
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Speaker 2: we allow our neighbors to come and shop twice a month,

690
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Speaker 2: and then during the school year we had them shop

691
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Speaker 2: once a month. But we're looking right now to see

692
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Speaker 2: whether or not we have the resources and the capacity

693
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Speaker 2: to allow them to come and shop twice a month

694
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Speaker 2: at least until the government shutdown's resolved and staff benefits

695
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Speaker 2: we come to flow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so double the demand here and at least so

697
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Speaker 1: there's a capacity concerned here. Do you have enough food,

698
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Speaker 1: you have tech? Do you have enough volunteers and resources

699
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Speaker 1: to handle that?

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Speaker 2: Well? The volunteers, obviously, we can always use more volunteers.

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Speaker 2: I encourage folks to go to Freestorefoodbank dot org and uh,

702
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Speaker 2: you know, volunteer on our volunteer button. But also as

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Speaker 2: far as reserves and resources we have, you know, we

704
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Speaker 2: we've acted very you know, frugally, We've been good storages

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Speaker 2: of the resource we've gotten in. We would always encourage

706
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Speaker 2: folks if they have the capacity to make the gifts now,

707
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Speaker 2: especially during these more challenging times for the families that

708
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Speaker 2: are serving, now would be an opportune time to do that.

709
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Speaker 2: But I think what we're looking at right now is

710
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Speaker 2: making sure that we're Unfortunately, we've been buying more food

711
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Speaker 2: than we have in the past because of supply chain

712
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: issues and the like. But I think what we're trying

713
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Speaker 2: to now is talk to our food service partners, the

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Speaker 2: grocery stores that are out there, the manufacturers that are

715
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: out there, and trying to say, if we're buying food

716
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: from you all, is there also some food that you

717
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: could donate as well. So we're trying to hit it

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: on all front, Scott, so that you know we're there

719
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Speaker 2: for the families. But the reality is this is that

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Speaker 2: nine out of ten meals are provided by SNAP Benefits

721
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Speaker 2: and one out of ten meals is provided by Freestop

722
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Speaker 2: Food Bank our sister food banks across the country. Just

723
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: in Ohio, almost one and a half million families receive

724
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Speaker 2: individuals receive SNAP benefits. Forty five thousand of those are veterans,

725
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Speaker 2: and sixty two percent of them are our families with children.

726
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: So we know that it's going to be felt fifty

727
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: percent of the families that we serve, and we serve

728
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five thousand of our neighbors that

729
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: are food and secure eighty two thousand wich your kids.

730
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Speaker 2: So we serve about half of those are receiving SNAFF benefits,

731
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Speaker 2: and most of the families that we serve are working

732
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Speaker 2: just not making enough money to make ends meet when

733
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Speaker 2: it comes time to buying groceries, or paying the rent,

734
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Speaker 2: or buying medicine for the kids, or paying you know,

735
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Speaker 2: buying food. So those are the things that we've been

736
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Speaker 2: confronted with for years. But this community has really rallied

737
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Speaker 2: behind us over the year, Scott, and I know that

738
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Speaker 2: they're going to do that again.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm sure you've also looked at it too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have to do a I guess, find out what

741
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Speaker 1: your breaking point is for lack of a better term, right,

742
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Speaker 1: I mean, how close are you to that? If you

743
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: start to add up all these numbers, you go, how

744
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: are we going to sustain this? If we're now twice

745
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: a month, then we've increased demand, you know, thirty percent?

746
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Speaker 1: Is that sustainable for how long?

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Speaker 3: Well?

748
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Speaker 2: You know, the way we look at this is that

749
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Speaker 2: you know, we've prepared for, you know, to maintain reserves

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Speaker 2: for events like this. We've gone through some natural disasters

751
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Speaker 2: where we've partner with other food banks across the country.

752
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: We've rallied behind folks during the pandemic during the Great Recession.

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Speaker 2: So Free Store is going to stand tall and be

754
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: there as well as our six n the food pantries

755
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: that are across the twenty countside. Twenty County is served

756
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Speaker 2: by the Free Store. But at some point in time,

757
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: we will get to a point where, you know, if

758
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Speaker 2: this is a prolonged government shutdown, then more and more

759
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: families will be turning to Freestore and our sister food banks,

760
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Speaker 2: and at that point in time we'll have to assess

761
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: the situation. But right now we're not there. Right now,

762
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: we are in a situation where we have resources and

763
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Speaker 2: reserves to weather the storm on a temporary basis. I

764
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Speaker 2: would say if we go out there another you know,

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Speaker 2: thirty days, then things are going to have to get

766
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Speaker 2: a little bit more tighter.

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Speaker 1: Well, as I've said a long you know, the first

768
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: few weeks, days and weeks of this, it's all political theater.

769
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Speaker 1: But as you get to that thirty day mark, and

770
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Speaker 1: that's why the longest shutdown in the second longest and the

771
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Speaker 1: longest one is thirty five days, because now that theater

772
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Speaker 1: becomes reality in the case where you guys are at

773
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Speaker 1: Freestore Food Bank.

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Speaker 2: Kurt Ryber.

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Speaker 1: You're going to see the families you serve hit the

776
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: hardest and typically who gets hurt in there when the

777
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: SNAP benefits disappear disappear. What kind of folks are we

778
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: talking about here.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about you've got you've got seniors, You've got

780
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, military families. Uh. Forty three percent of the

781
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: SNAPPER recipients in Ohio, our older adults are disabled individuals.

782
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: As I said, sixty two per families with children. We

783
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Speaker 2: have forty five thousand volunteer or veterans. I'm sorry to

784
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: receive SNAP benefits in Ohio. And that's that's just you know,

785
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: those are the folks that have given so much of

786
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: their own lives to this great country of ours, and

787
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: now when we need to help them during their challenging times,

788
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: we need to be there. And that's really what the

789
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: free store is going to be about.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You've mentioned Thanksgiving coming up. Then you'll have a Christmas

792
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: holidays and the December holidays that are out there, uh,

793
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: you know, and families will be relying on freestore more

794
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: profound way in order to make ends meet. And Free

795
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Store in this community has rallied behind these situations in

796
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: the past, and you know, my challenge right now is

797
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: to let people know that they can make a difference

798
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: by making a donation of the Free Store Food Bank.

799
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Speaker 2: Every dollar comes in and we compriabe the equivalent of

800
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: three meals, and that's really going a long ways towards

801
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: helping to meet the needs of these families that are struggling.

802
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: It really is consider you to make a thoughtful donation

803
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: as well to the Freestore New Food Bank now more

804
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: than ever because of what we're talking about here. And

805
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned the families that show up and

806
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some familiar faces there, but you're going

807
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: to see a whole bunch of people have never needed

808
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: help before. And on that too, how do you reach

809
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: people and help ununderstand that food banks are there for them.

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00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to get a whole new if

811
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Speaker 1: this continues, a whole new bunch of people showing up

812
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: or people who may not know you exist in the

813
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: first place.

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00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Scott, what we're doing is we're using all of

815
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: our social media outlets in order to do that, or

816
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: using folks like yourselves on seven hundred WW to raise

817
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: awareness about the Free Store Food Bank. If people need assistance.

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00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: They can go to Freestore Foodbank dot org and click

819
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: on to get help Now, and they can find a

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00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: pantry that's close to them and be able to receive

821
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: that assistance that they need for The free Store has

822
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Speaker 2: continued to rally behind the families that we've served in

823
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Speaker 2: the Tri State area, and we saw an uptick in

824
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Speaker 2: the number of food and secure families over the past

825
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: two years here. But I think what we're going to

826
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: try to do is we're going to try to look

827
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Speaker 2: at it and say, Okay, how can we make a difference.

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Speaker 2: And we do that through a couple of other things.

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Speaker 2: We also have wrap around supportive services our Customer Connection Center,

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Speaker 2: so we provide rental assistants to Utilia assistance. We have

831
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Speaker 2: two wonderful workforce training programs. We're getting folks back into

832
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: the workforce, and that's our culinary program CINCINNTI Cooks kind

833
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: of Lift, the Tri State Logistics program. So there are

834
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Speaker 2: things that we're doing to stem the tide right now.

835
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Speaker 2: We need people to support us so that we can

836
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Speaker 2: support those families that are truly in a dire state.

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Speaker 1: Is this sustainable at this right? I mean, even if

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Speaker 1: a fraction we said forty two million people turn to

839
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Speaker 1: food banks across the country, including the Free Star Food

840
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Speaker 1: Bank where you're the CEO of kurt ryber Can, the

841
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Speaker 1: Charitable Food System, and I would include churches there as well.

842
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Speaker 1: Can we possibly fill that gap that's a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: We can't. We can't food bank our way out of

844
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Speaker 2: the scott and you've shared that with our elected officials,

845
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Speaker 2: both of the state, federal, and local levels. We're working

846
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Speaker 2: with folks at Hamilton County to figure out what we

847
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: can do as far as reallocating some resources there. We're

848
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Speaker 2: talking to folks of the city, but we're also talking

849
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Speaker 2: to our federal luck officials as well and trying to

850
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Speaker 2: say through our government relations team at Feeding in America,

851
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: they're continuing to let folks know that this is really

852
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: impacting families because they're quite honestly not doing their job

853
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: and getting a budget passed, and you know, having a

854
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: continued resolution pass it is critically important and right now

855
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: is more than ever for the families that we're serving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, three weeks ago is okay, We're going to

857
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Speaker 1: shut some national parts and maybe not cut the grass.

858
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Speaker 1: Now now you're talking about not feeding people and that

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Speaker 1: that's the reality as this thing has gone from theater

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Speaker 1: to looming damage. I know, I think it was Virginia.

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Speaker 1: They declared a state of emergency and covered snap with

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Speaker 1: state funds. Says you mentioned local and federal. What's the

863
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Speaker 1: state's role in this. Have you reached out to the

864
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Speaker 1: governor to Wine.

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Speaker 2: Well, we reached out to the elected officials, to our

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Speaker 2: state associations. We have a Free State Association we're partners

867
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: with and they are helping us, you know, message those

868
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: you know, the folks at the governor's office, Governor Dwine,

869
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: Governor Brasher, governor will come over in Indiana and they're

870
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: really helping you tell the story and tell the impact.

871
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: What you have to understand too, is that for every

872
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: dollar worth of stamp benefits that come in to our economy,

873
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: that equates one to a dollar fifty four in economic impact.

874
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: So you know, we're not on really impacting just the

875
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: families that were serving, but we're impacting the retailers, the

876
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: grocery stores, the folks that are or have hired a

877
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: lot of people that will also be impacted. If this

878
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: government continues to shut down, let's say.

879
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: In the next four or five days, that they finally

880
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: are able to get this thing done in open government

881
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: back up. But even beyond November, if the shutdown ends

882
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: this week and benefits are restored, what's your outlook for

883
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: like the next six or twelve months.

884
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: Kurt Well, I think what we're going to see is

885
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: where you continue to see people that are that are struggling,

886
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, living paycheck to paycheck. You know, the inflationary pressures.

887
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: The stock market may be going up, but that's not

888
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: impacting the families that we're serving. So those economic benefits

889
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: they receive are pretty really important to really stem the tide.

890
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: Seventy percent of the families we serve, the neighbors that

891
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: come into our markets are are working families. You're just

892
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: not making enough money to make ends meet when a

893
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: child gets sick, or car breaks down, or your chili

894
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: bills are out of site. I mean, if we have

895
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: a rough winter to side, do I pay for my

896
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: heat and electricity or do buy food? And when they

897
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: make that decision and they say I'm going to pay

898
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: for my electricity and my heat, which is critically important,

899
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: then they're going to come to our food bank and

900
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: our food pantries and really try to figure out how

901
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: they can leverage those resources as well. So everything works

902
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: in dependently on each other, and right now, more than ever,

903
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: we need as help.

904
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this isn't the old tired, stereotypical welfare

905
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: queen Wright King who just shows up and gets free

906
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: stuff from everybody who don't feel like they got to work.

907
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: You're talking about people working multiple jobs with family and

908
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: trying to keep their head above water because the cost

909
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: inflation and everything has gone through the roof and skyrocketed

910
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: because of a number of factors. And now if you

911
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: cut off the benefits are getting the food benefits here,

912
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: people really starve.

913
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: Well, it's really critically important when you know, and I

914
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: want to encourage folks if they do need assistance, then

915
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, please go to our website Prestore Foodbank dot

916
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: org and they can find help near them. They find

917
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: a pandy that's close to them. We have over six

918
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: hundred pantries that we support in twenty counties, about eighty

919
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: percent of our faith based. So we know that the

920
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: faith community is rallying behind this as well. And we

921
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: know that the families that were serving and we have

922
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty amazing team members to work as

923
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: a free Store of Food Bank on the front lines

924
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: of hunger each and every day. We have over twelve

925
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: thousand volunteers that provide eighty two thousand dollars a volunteer

926
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: service war US. So this community has rallied behind the

927
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Free Store of Food Bank. We know they will do

928
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: that again, and we just encourage folks to help us

929
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: get through this time.

930
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: Talent, treasure, right, the three big things. And you can

931
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: give one or maybe all of those in these efforts.

932
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: And maybe you need want to volunteer, don't have money

933
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: to give you, but you have time, certainly go and volunteer.

934
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. If you have money and

935
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: you want to give, please do that because they're going

936
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: to need to fill this void. If indeed we get

937
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: to Saturday and forty two million low income people don't

938
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: get their Snap benefits.

939
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: We'll talk about food here.

940
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: We're not talking about anything else but just basic human

941
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: sustenance at this point.

942
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: So Kurt Ryber, Yeah, one thing I would point out

943
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: to Scott is that a lot of folks who have

944
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: been asking questions about their Snap benefits that are already

945
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: on their Snap cards, those benefits will be available and

946
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: usable after this, you know, after this November one deadline.

947
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: So if you have Snap benefits that are continuing to

948
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: stay on your card, you can still use those as

949
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: the retailers that you frequent until those are spent.

950
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Important point to the Snap benefit card itself. If you

951
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: have the credit on there, you're just not getting any

952
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: new credit.

953
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: That's correct.

954
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, as of Saturday anyway, Well, hopefully cooler health will prevailed.

955
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: They'll come to a conclusion here and wrap this nonsense

956
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: up because now you're really impacting people's lives. Kurt ryber

957
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: at the Free Star of Food Bank. God bless you man.

958
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for what you do. We'll get the word out,

959
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: try to get some volunteers, get you some money too,

960
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: to maybe stem the tide here.

961
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Scott, I appreciate you. Take care. Thanks

962
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: so much.

963
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the sad reality of it that, you know,

964
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: if you're a political junkie and you're into this thing

965
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: and you know you want your side to hold out

966
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: Democrats want their side to hold out, Republicans on weather side.

967
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: The reality is there are people, real people who are

968
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: getting caught up in the middle of this. Kids, working families,

969
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: especially seniors, veterans. How is government serving them? How's government

970
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: serving us? This is self serving, is what this is.

971
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: It's politics over people.

972
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: Right now.

973
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: You could be, you know, the strongest conservative in the world,

974
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: Christian conservative all while and good. You can't look at

975
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: this and hear about people who are working two three jobs.

976
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: They've got kids, you've got seniors, you've got veterans who

977
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: are fallen between the cracks and not be compassionate about that.

978
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: And I am.

979
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: I understand how dire the straits are for a country,

980
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: our future and our tremendous national debt that's growing by

981
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: the second. But this doesn't help that. This doesn't help

982
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: people because you got to live for today. And the

983
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 1: nonsense of shutting things down when they could be sitting

984
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: and talking and negotiating, actually working for the people and

985
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: not against them, I think should stand above all that.

986
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: Scott's Loan Show seven hundred.

987
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 5: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's heer

988
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 5: to help us get our heads right. This is Mental

989
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 5: Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Heattershire.

990
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: All right, the weekend to work week transition sucks.

991
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: It just sucks.

992
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: It sucks worse when the Bengals lose like they did,

993
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: because then you just wake up mad. I just stay

994
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: in bed. Oh you know what, just take the week

995
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: off to the next game. That's how I feel. Julie

996
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: Hatters here, Welcome to the show.

997
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: How are you?

998
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: Hello?

999
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm good.

1000
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 7: How are you?

1001
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: There's no greater Bengal or NFL fan than you. I know,

1002
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: and I know how hard you take a loss.

1003
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 7: Yes, I didn't even know they played yesterday. Much less

1004
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 7: less I know.

1005
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: Because you sall text me like during the game, going

1006
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: what we should talk about this tomorrow, Charo getting a solve.

1007
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: But the rest of the world's watching football. You have

1008
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: no idea what's going no idea.

1009
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 7: No, I had no idea, not a clue.

1010
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: You are right.

1011
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: You're the person who's out there, like super Bowl Sunday.

1012
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: She's one, she's shopping, she's at the store, she's doing anything.

1013
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: Why is everything? Why is there no one out today?

1014
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: This is stupid.

1015
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 7: I no, I at least know about Super Bowl Sunday.

1016
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 7: I mean that's a big deal.

1017
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It

1018
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: is so hard.

1019
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: And the reason why we do this segment of Metal

1020
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: Health Monday is because Monday is the worst day of

1021
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: the week for most people, but especially between you know

1022
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: what's going on inside that little head of your So

1023
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: transitioning from the weekend, it starts on Friday. You're in

1024
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: weekend mode. Maybe you work out of the house so

1025
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: it's even a little more lax, or maybe you get

1026
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: off a little early and hey, I got Friday, I

1027
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: got Saturday. Sunday comes along. I know people that party

1028
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: right up until about ten o'clock Sunday night, and then

1029
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: Monday comes along and they're like, ah, it's all coming

1030
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: at me at the same time. Here is there a

1031
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: way to mentally ease that transition a little bit better?

1032
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 7: Well, I think there are several things we can do.

1033
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 7: But I think one of the things that gets lost

1034
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 7: in the conversation about starting your work week, and as

1035
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 7: I was sort of prepping for this talk this show,

1036
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 7: I noticed this is that when we go to work

1037
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 7: versus on the weekend, it's not just shifting what we do,

1038
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 7: but to some degree, it's shifting who we are. We

1039
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 7: are most of us different people at work than we

1040
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 7: are on the weekends, and so for a lot of us,

1041
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 7: that identity shift is a really hard thing. Going from

1042
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 7: who you have to be at home with your family

1043
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 7: or in your life on the weekend to going into

1044
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 7: work on Monday and being the productive or we hope

1045
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 7: productive worker that you are in. Whatever job you do

1046
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 7: requires not just doing different things, but being a different person.

1047
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 7: And for some of us, we don't like the person

1048
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 7: we are at work as much as we like the

1049
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 7: person we are at home. So sometimes I think that

1050
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 7: gets lost in the conversation. And I think that's an

1051
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 7: important thing to recognize, is that it requires an identity

1052
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 7: shift that sometimes we don't enjoy very much.

1053
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: Okay, because you got to put your work face, sounds

1054
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: what you're saying and be some like, for example, you

1055
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: got to go out and you know, if you're in sales,

1056
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: you got to go well, be a salesperson. Either that's

1057
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: a tough job or it's like wow, physical, abe, I'm

1058
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: still sore from Friday. I got to get back and

1059
00:49:59,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: get back to.

1060
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: Yes.

1061
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 7: And I know, I've worked with people in sales over

1062
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 7: the course of my career and many of them are

1063
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 7: actually introverted. And so to go out and be in

1064
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 7: a sales position customer facing knocking on doors literally sometimes

1065
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 7: knocking on doctor's offices, doors to bring them lunch is

1066
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 7: difficult for them, and they have to sort of energize

1067
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 7: and gear up and kind of rev themselves up and

1068
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 7: put themselves into sort of a slightly altered identity in

1069
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 7: order to do that, and then they get to sort

1070
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 7: of go back to who they actually are on the weekend.

1071
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 7: So for a lot of people, becoming that worker on

1072
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 7: Monday is difficult. It's not just about going to work,

1073
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 7: it's who you have to be when you're there.

1074
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, putting that that face on. Okay, I

1075
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: get that whole thing. Yeah all right, So all right,

1076
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: I got to make that When should that transition start?

1077
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 7: Well, I think people need to start doing that Sunday evening.

1078
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 7: I think the most successful productive people that I've worked

1079
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 7: with have sort of a Sunday evening routine where they

1080
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 7: sort of gear down from the weekend and start to

1081
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 7: transition into before they go to bed on Sunday night,

1082
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 7: start to transition into two Monday mode. That doesn't necessarily

1083
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 7: mean looking at their calendars, that doesn't necessarily mean diving

1084
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Speaker 7: back in. That means sort of, for many of them,

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00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 7: setting an intention of what do I need to do

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00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 7: this week? What are my big projects? What are my

1087
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 7: big goals and who do I need to be in

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 7: order to accomplish them, and how can I set myself

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Speaker 7: up for success tonight so that tomorrow morning I hit

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Speaker 7: the ground running and I'm able to get done what

1091
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 7: I need to get done. So it's sort of a

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00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 7: larger goal intention setting kind of shift than it is

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00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 7: looking at what you have first thing Monday morning on

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Speaker 7: your calendar.

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Speaker 1: Kind of Okay, yeah, I guess, but that feels like

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00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: you're demand's cheating out of hours on your weekend again.

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Speaker 1: You know, wait a minute, I I got to get

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Speaker 1: my game face on. It's still Sunday's till my day. Man,

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Speaker 1: come on the Lord's day.

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Speaker 2: What do we doing?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: I get that. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And so

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00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 7: a way to think about that is how to protect

1104
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 7: enough of who I am and my identity and my

1105
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 7: life by making the shift as seamless and the transition

1106
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 7: as easy as possible, versus that jarring the alarm goes

1107
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 7: off and you're like, oh, shoot, now it's Monday. Now

1108
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 7: what am I going to do? So optimizing it for you,

1109
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 7: not optimizing it for your employer. How can I make

1110
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 7: my Monday morning go better for me? For my partner,

1111
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 7: for my family if I have one at home. How

1112
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 7: can I ease this transition for myself? Not how can

1113
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 7: I start working on Sunday night when they're not paying

1114
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 7: me till Monday morning. It's a different it's a different

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00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 7: way of looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, just a different Julie Hendershare here, our

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Speaker 1: licensed mental health therapist on this mental health Monday here

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW Scott's Loan show. The weekend and

1119
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: work week transition. It is a tough shift and over

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Speaker 1: the course of a few hours, because you could also

1121
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: do a little bit like like for me, you know,

1122
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: I'll pull behind the curtain, like after the show, I'll

1123
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: get a stuff lined up for the week ahead, kind

1124
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: of cut through some old email and kind of wrap

1125
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: things up for the week, and then look ahead and

1126
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Speaker 1: lay some stuff out, and then a little bit on

1127
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Speaker 1: Saturday and a little bit on Sunday, and I just

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Speaker 1: kind of spread it out over the weekend when I'm

1129
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Speaker 1: up having my coffee, like I had a little time

1130
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm waking up anyway, it's a good time before all

1131
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: the cob webs start to come back into my head

1132
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: to get all that.

1133
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Speaker 2: Stuff out of the way great.

1134
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Speaker 7: I was wondering what productivity things you do, because I

1135
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 7: know that you stay on top of what's going on

1136
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 7: in the world and in the news every day, whether

1137
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 7: you're working or not, whether you have a show coming

1138
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 7: up or not. I know that you do that.

1139
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 6: But I also know that.

1140
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 7: You don't let that run your life, that that's not

1141
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 7: how you organize the rest of your life. And so

1142
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 7: I was wondering what kind of productivity and work life

1143
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 7: balance kinds of things you utilize.

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Speaker 1: I just try to do it little pieces. You know,

1145
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: obviously during the week is busier, but I notice if

1146
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: I if I'm out of town or something and come

1147
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: back and on side or something, it's like, oh my

1148
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 1: God's chaos. Because but you know, there are all times

1149
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: you can slip away, even on you know, if you're

1150
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: out of town or doing something else, like okay, I

1151
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: just need to you know, get half hour forty minutes

1152
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: and kind of run through some stuff, line some stuff

1153
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: up because you're always thinking ahead, but just doing the

1154
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: little nuggets when you're staying around no typically instead of

1155
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, doom scrolling social media. If you took a

1156
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: half hour forty minutes just to kind of do that.

1157
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: It seems like it's it's just not so I don't know,

1158
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, like Sunday comes are like, oh my god,

1159
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: I get get ready for Monday. You know how people are.

1160
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: It's like, if you do a little bit, I think

1161
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: each day, I mean just could could be twenty minutes,

1162
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: half hour, it seems to make that Sunday and then

1163
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: the Monday transition a lot better, at least that for

1164
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: me anyway.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, I have had clients who are military and firefighters,

1166
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 7: and one of the things that they've all said to

1167
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 7: me is, if you stay ready, you don't have to

1168
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 7: get ready. If you stay on top of it, it's

1169
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 7: not such a big deal to jump into it. So

1170
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 7: if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.

1171
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 7: And so those people who have jobs that allow or

1172
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 7: require or some level of readiness in that way, spending

1173
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 7: a little time on the weekend just kind of staying

1174
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 7: on top of things. So like you, over the weekend,

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Speaker 7: I will do a little work. One of the things

1176
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 7: I will do is read my notes from the last

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Speaker 7: session for the people I have coming up in the week,

1178
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Speaker 7: just so I kind of have a sense of how

1179
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 7: difficult or easy my week with clients is going to be.

1180
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 7: If I knew we had a rough session with five

1181
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 7: clients and I'm seeing all five this week, well, okay,

1182
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 7: that's going to be kind of a heavy week. If

1183
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 7: I know things are going pretty smoothly for some of them,

1184
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 7: then I have an idea of energetically what my week

1185
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 7: is going to look like. So I just kind of

1186
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 7: get a sense of that, so I know what I'm

1187
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Speaker 7: heading into on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 7: Like you, I kind of stay on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just a task size it, right. What about the

1191
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: element of you know, worktime's work time typically you know

1192
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: you're dialed in your focus like that too, But what

1193
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: about weekend? Should we because man, it's so easy for

1194
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: all this stuff to start bleeding over to the weekend too.

1195
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Speaker 2: I think you got to put boundaries up, right, Oh.

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Speaker 7: I think you have to put boundaries and protect your

1197
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 7: off time as much as is humanly possible. I think

1198
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Speaker 7: you have to protect your off time. So for example,

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Speaker 7: I read my notes from I don't read my notes

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Speaker 7: from all my sessions, just for the ones I'm seeing

1201
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 7: for the next week, and I only give myself like

1202
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 7: twenty or thirty minutes tops to do that, and then

1203
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 7: I put it away and then I'm done. But you

1204
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 7: need to protect that time. But then when you're in

1205
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 7: your workflow, you need It's really important for most people

1206
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 7: to have blocks of time where they can actually do

1207
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 7: deep work, where they can actually do the work that

1208
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 7: they're getting paid to do, instead of being interrupted by

1209
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 7: meetings or chit tech conversations at the office or email.

1210
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 7: So you know, turn off all your devices if you

1211
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 7: can protect chunks of time. Because there's a guy named

1212
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 7: Pareto pa r Eto. He's a business EA kind of guy,

1213
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 7: and he says he's got this eighty twenty principle that

1214
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 7: says twenty percent of our actions account for eighty percent

1215
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 7: of our successful outcomes. So twenty percent of what we do,

1216
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 7: generally speaking, accounts for eighty percent of our successful outcomes.

1217
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 7: And the rest of what we do is extremeeous and

1218
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 7: perhaps unnecessary or certainly not as crucial as that twenty percent.

1219
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 7: So for everybody, if you can start looking at identifying

1220
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 7: what are the things that I do in my workday

1221
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 7: that give me the best outcomes and the most good outcomes,

1222
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 7: let me focus my attention on those at the start

1223
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 7: of the week to the degree that I can to

1224
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 7: set myself up for a successful week the rest of

1225
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 7: the week, because part of sometimes what happens is you

1226
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 7: hit the ground in chaos on Monday, you play catch

1227
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 7: up on Tuesday or Wednesday. Now you're actually getting into

1228
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 7: the work that you need to do on Thursday and Friday,

1229
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 7: and then it's the weekend and you abruptly stop. So

1230
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 7: if you frontload the success in the week, then by

1231
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 7: Friday you're tying up loose ends, you're managing a few

1232
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 7: last minute things, and then you're off for the weekend,

1233
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 7: and it's an easier transition into the weekend and then

1234
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 7: easier transition back into Monday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, you're doing it in little bits and pieces,

1236
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: supposed all at one, so that makes a lot of sense.

1237
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: So and you've got to be consistent with it too.

1238
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the other important thing. Just turned a

1239
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: new habit, is what you're.

1240
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 7: Saying, Yeah, habitually set up a workflow that makes sense

1241
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 7: for you. I know you and I've had a previous

1242
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 7: conversation about what time of day people are at their

1243
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 7: most productive, and it's different for everyone. So also what

1244
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 7: day of the week are people most productive? And I

1245
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 7: think that if you can find a large chunk of

1246
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 7: your productivity early in your week, then you can relax

1247
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 7: the end of your week, ease into your weekend, and

1248
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 7: the Sunday to Monday transition doesn't feel quite so abrupt

1249
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 7: because it wasn't abrupt Friday into Saturday. So it kind

1250
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 7: of creates a flow that makes sense. I think for

1251
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 7: many people, and many of us have the capacity to

1252
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 7: make those kinds of changes in the way that we work.

1253
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: All right, Julie Harris, you're talking about transition from a

1254
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: weekend to work week. That's all well and good. What

1255
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: if you really hate what you do. What if you'd

1256
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: like just absolutely get fearful and sick that you've got

1257
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: to go back to work on money?

1258
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: I know people like that.

1259
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 7: Oh, there are a lot of people like that, And

1260
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 7: that's why you have Julie Bee on every week to

1261
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 7: talk about your stuff. But then I think can become

1262
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 7: not so much focusing on what you do and whether

1263
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 7: you like it or not, but what what you do

1264
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 7: allows you to do, be and have in the rest

1265
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 7: of your life. I know a lot of people who

1266
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 7: really dislike their jobs but really love the life that

1267
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 7: the money or the job itself allows them to have.

1268
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 7: So I know people who travel for work a lot,

1269
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 7: and they don't really like traveling for work, but they

1270
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 7: love the miles that they rack up. They love the

1271
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 7: ability to maybe tack a day on on one end

1272
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 7: or the other and see a part of the country

1273
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 7: or the world they've never seen before. They love the

1274
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 7: opportunity to meet new people. They don't like it being

1275
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 7: away from home or their family, but they like the

1276
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 7: opportunities that that offers them. So focus on either if

1277
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 7: there are aspects of your job that are less awful,

1278
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 7: focus on those, but also what does your job allow

1279
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 7: you to be, or do or have that you couldn't

1280
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 7: be or do or have if you didn't do it,

1281
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 7: And look at it more as a means to an

1282
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 7: end than the end.

1283
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: In itself, which is more important. That's why it's so

1284
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: important to have outside work time too, so you can compartmentalize,

1285
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, and hey, look, if your work you focus

1286
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: on what you're doing when you're not there, and especially

1287
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: if what you're doing when you're not at your job

1288
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe you have a side hustle

1289
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: too or something, and you think about parlaying that into

1290
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: your full time job.

1291
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 7: Yes, yes. Side hustles are great because they can people

1292
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 7: with an exit strategy at work if they hate what

1293
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 7: they're doing. People with an exit strategy generally feel better

1294
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 7: than people who have no exit strategy, either because they

1295
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 7: haven't created one or they don't believe that they could

1296
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 7: access one. So if your side hustle is going to

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Speaker 7: be your full time hustle at some point in time,

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Speaker 7: working on that on your off hours can help make

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Speaker 7: the work you're doing more tolerable, the job that you

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Speaker 7: don't like more tolerable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And then man,

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Speaker 1: when you how do you do that on on a vacation?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, hey, here's your pattern for

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Speaker 1: the weekend, but you take a week off. Should you

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Speaker 1: be doing a little bit each day? Do you wait

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Speaker 1: till last?

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Speaker 2: How does that?

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Speaker 1: Because it sucks you get on vacation. Then then you

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Speaker 1: have an avalanche of email. For example, when we went

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Speaker 1: to our little Australia to our big Australia trip for

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Speaker 1: two weeks, it took me a good week and a

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Speaker 1: half to respond to emails because a literal I had

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Speaker 1: like a thou over one thousand emails waiting for me

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Speaker 1: after two weeks.

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Speaker 7: So yes. So I think it's really important for people

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Speaker 7: to protect vacation time. And I think it's really important

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Speaker 7: to the degree that you possibly can, to let people

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Speaker 7: know that you will not be responding while you're on vacation,

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Speaker 7: that you will take some time to respond when you

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Speaker 7: get back, because you will probably have an avalanche of

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Speaker 7: projects and people and emails and phone calls and things

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Speaker 7: to get back to immediately, and that you will get

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Speaker 7: to them just as quickly as you can. But if

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Speaker 7: it's super duper important, they should pin you again when

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Speaker 7: they know you're going to be back in the office

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Speaker 7: to move it to the top of your pro list.

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Speaker 7: So I think setting the expectation ahead of time and

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Speaker 7: holding fast to that, because you can say I'm unplugged,

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Speaker 7: but then if you an answer an email or too, well,

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Speaker 7: now people know you're not really unplugged.

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Speaker 2: So if you.

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Speaker 7: Intend to be set that expectation and hold fast to it,

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Speaker 7: and then if you can, when you can, create a

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Speaker 7: transition day for yourself if possible, So instead of coming

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Speaker 7: back in late on Sunday night and starting work on Monday,

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Speaker 7: maybe come back in on Saturday and having Sunday to

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Speaker 7: transition back and get back into the work week on Monday,

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Speaker 7: or maybe take that Monday off as well and start

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Speaker 7: your work week on Tuesday. But set yourself a transition

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Speaker 7: time to get everything cleaned up from the vacation, unpacked,

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Speaker 7: put away and start working your way back into your

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Speaker 7: work week and give yourself that buffer. Just plan that

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Speaker 7: into your schedule if you possibly can. Can make a

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Speaker 7: huge difference for how you re enter the work life

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Speaker 7: after you've been on vacation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She's Julie Hatters,

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Speaker 1: your licensed mental health therapist that bconnected dot care. If

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Speaker 1: you want to reach out to her, it's hey, Julie

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Speaker 1: at the letter be connected at dot care. She practices

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Speaker 1: Clifton and right here in the Cincinnati. It's mental health Monday.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff as we transition. Probably should have had you

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Speaker 1: on Friday to get ready a little late now, isn't

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Speaker 1: that we're back at work?

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Speaker 7: Hi, you can start. You can start tonight for tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Pretend you've got a Tuesday start of the week.

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Speaker 1: Getting the groove. You got to get in the groove

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Speaker 1: right grind. I just think you probably don't have a

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Speaker 1: good twenty thirty more years of this work and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Just think what's in front of you. It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: All the best, have a great week, Appreciate you, Thanks

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Speaker 1: you too. All right, let's get a news updata in

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Speaker 1: just about five minutes away here on seven hundred Wlwmuch

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Speaker 1: has been made of the fiscal impact of immigration, and

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Speaker 1: the folks at Manhattan Institute have analyzed ten and twenty

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Speaker 1: and thirty years of government data and all the programs

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Speaker 1: we had in immigration, What we get right, what we

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Speaker 1: get wrong? In the eye opening conclusion and maybe not

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Speaker 1: as eye opening as a fact that immigrants with advanced

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Speaker 1: degrees tend to be a huge boom to our economy,

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Speaker 1: whereas those who come in without such education tend to

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Speaker 1: be a drain. But it also has to do with

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Speaker 1: eight what age you immigrate to this country. It's an

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Speaker 1: interesting outlook on things and would actually restore tens of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars to the bottom line, meaning reducing our

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Speaker 1: deficit if we followed this plan. Really interesting stuff with

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Speaker 1: Daniel de Martinez. He's next on the Scottslowan Show on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WW Cincinnati Boom Dot.

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Speaker 5: On seven hundred WLW. The immigration fights that we needeep

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Speaker 5: into lots of fights, including immigration, get illegals out, keep

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Speaker 5: the legal at ten. But who out of that long

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Speaker 5: line gets in? Who stays?

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Speaker 1: Maybe a better question of who is rather than maybe

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Speaker 1: how many? And should the US admit them through reform

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Speaker 1: and immigration system? Who should get in at this point?

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Speaker 1: So the Manhattan Institute their thing tank, and they studied

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Speaker 1: a ten and thirty year impacts of dozens of our

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Speaker 1: nation's immigration policies over the years and categorize immigrants on

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Speaker 1: tax revenue, federal spending GDP, population, and who gives us

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Speaker 1: a benefit in who takes away? With the answers Daniel

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Speaker 1: di Martino of the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you very good? Thank you for having me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you find that if you're younger and you're educated,

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Speaker 1: you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.

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Speaker 1: They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend

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Speaker 1: to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That

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Speaker 1: is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into here, but essentially that's the core

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Speaker 1: of this thing is that's really not surprising.

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Speaker 6: Is it. It is not because we have a progressive

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Speaker 6: tax system and we have a welfare system that gives

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Speaker 6: benefits to people based on how little they make. Right,

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Speaker 6: So if you bring in a lot of four people

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Speaker 6: or elderly people that will receive entitlements, then those people

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Speaker 6: will be a next cost to the federal government. That's

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Speaker 6: a no brainer.

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Speaker 1: So why does the college agree make such a vast Efforence.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking millions of dollars in that one

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Speaker 1: person's financial impact, and of course the ledge what's driving

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Speaker 1: that game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people tell me, but you know,

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Speaker 6: a college degree is and all you need, and like,

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Speaker 6: of course these are all averages. This doesn't mean that

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Speaker 6: there're aren't immigrants or high school dropouts that do better. Right.

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Speaker 6: There are many college dropouts that create a big company,

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Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean that that's the most common case.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college

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Speaker 6: degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A

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Speaker 6: college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer

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Speaker 6: thing to have than in America. And so when you

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Speaker 6: bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,

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Speaker 6: you can assure yourself that that person comes from a

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Speaker 6: much more elit background.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we have countless

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Speaker 1: people who have college degrees that complain they can't find

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Speaker 1: a job in their chosen field and they have a

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Speaker 1: degree and go, okay, great, I can't service the loan

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Speaker 1: that I took out to get that degree, and I'm

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Speaker 1: doing something I don't want to do, and I never

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Speaker 1: see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this

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Speaker 1: country and sit seed and contribute to the GDP. Is

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Speaker 1: it about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees

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Speaker 1: here and not just a degree?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's true that immigrants do you specialize like the

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Speaker 6: immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are

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Speaker 6: even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And

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Speaker 6: also they just have an even an even higher education

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Speaker 6: and go to different universities. Right, So you know people

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Speaker 6: talk about like people who graduate from the US University's

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Speaker 6: Americans who get a STEM degree or it's an underground degree,

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Speaker 6: you know, that counts biology, that counts like a regular

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Speaker 6: engineering degree. And if you're competing as people who have

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Speaker 6: a master's degree or a PhD, I mean obviously you

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Speaker 6: can't get the job that you want, and then you

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Speaker 6: also have the other fact, which is infrant start businesses,

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Speaker 6: so they expand the economy that way, the average immigrant

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Speaker 6: does not look like the average person in that country.

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Speaker 6: And then there's a lot of who tell me, well,

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Speaker 6: but we want to keep those jobs for Americans, right like,

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Speaker 6: we don't want them to replace the native born college

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Speaker 6: graduates who are seeking opportunities. And that's that's just not

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Speaker 6: how the labor market works. When you have more people

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Speaker 6: in the labor market, you don't have the same number

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Speaker 6: of jobs. There are relative wage effects, that is true,

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Speaker 6: but because immigrants also at the highly educated level, you know,

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Speaker 6: people like you at Musk who came on a twenty

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Speaker 6: visas or people like Jensen Huang, they end up also

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Speaker 6: increasing productivity and wages for people who are college educated.

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Speaker 1: Dan, you found that the fifty year old immigrant looks

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Speaker 1: great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant

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Speaker 1: by them mistic Okay, things are great to productive, but

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Speaker 1: by year thirty it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: It tends to be a net gain for this country.

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Speaker 1: So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like

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Speaker 1: doc and can you walk?

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Speaker 2: Can you walk? Through us.

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Speaker 1: Well, why that that flip happens.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I did estimates on a ten and thirty

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Speaker 6: year basis before I have done them last year on

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Speaker 6: a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to ten

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Speaker 6: in thirty years is because of Congress. When they pass legislation,

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Speaker 6: the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the ten year

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Speaker 6: budget window and then secondarily.

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Speaker 2: About the thirty year budget window.

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Speaker 6: So when they're deciding to pay legislation, they need this

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Speaker 6: estimates like I made it. And so that's a problem though,

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Speaker 6: because you're right, a fifty year old limigrant on an

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Speaker 6: average will look good over the next ten years because

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Speaker 6: it's going to be from the age of fifty to

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Speaker 6: age of sixty. And an immigrant who is ten years old,

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Speaker 6: a child that comes with a family is going to

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Speaker 6: look bad because it's not when I work from age

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Speaker 6: ten to twenty. So that shifts over the third year

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Speaker 6: window because then the older imigrant is going to collect

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Speaker 6: security and Medicare and the young evenion is going to

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Speaker 6: start working. So people need to keep done in mind

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Speaker 6: and understand these are averages and if you want to

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Speaker 6: benefit the budget in the long run, you need younger

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Speaker 6: people and you need more, you get it.

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Speaker 2: People got to Daniel D.

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Speaker 1: Martina, Manhattan Institute breaking a study here of ten and

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Speaker 1: thirty year impacts of immigration, and the bottom line is

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Speaker 1: that education drives fiscal impact, but age matters a lot too.

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Speaker 1: That young immigrants look costly in the short term but

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Speaker 1: benefits in the long term. Middle aged immigrants show the

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Speaker 1: opposite because they get the retirement benefits. And that's the

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Speaker 1: flip that's going on here. Let me pivot to the

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Speaker 1: H one visa debate that has become pretty controversial right

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Speaker 1: with wanting to charge money and charging literally a small

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Speaker 1: fortune to get that H one B. Some say it's

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Speaker 1: essential or they say, well, we should just eliminate this thing.

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Speaker 2: What is your data show?

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Speaker 6: Well, the H one B regardless of what people think

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Speaker 6: that based on the characteristics of the people who come

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Speaker 6: on H one bs, they are the ones that pay

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Speaker 6: the most taxes and receive the least government benefits of

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Speaker 6: any of these categories. And so if you are a

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Speaker 6: conservative and you're like like myself, I think you know

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Speaker 6: work the immigrant. Do you want to come to America?

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 6: Do you want an immigrant who does not depend on

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 6: the government, who speaks English, who have a job who

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 6: there's no comic crimes, and who you know, adopts American costumes.

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Speaker 6: And if that's the case, then immigrants to commin H

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Speaker 6: one with visas are any deal immigrant. That doesn't mean

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 6: that it's a perfect system, right, it's a lottery, So

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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 6: you don't want to distribute the spots on a lottery

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 6: but instead based on perhaps something more meritorious. But even then,

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 6: the system is better than any other visa program that

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01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 6: we have.

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Speaker 1: Ye I see a lot of communities are changing because

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: amount of money to the show. Now the other side

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: of this, and someone casual listening go, okay, you got

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: this guy from Manhattan and Daniel de Martino who wants

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01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: I educated people with advanced degrees because they bring a

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01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: small fortune and massive fortune, and even small fortune to

1530
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: the country could help balance the deficit and do all

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: these wonderful things. They don't drain the system, and they're

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01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: paying the taxes and that's helping older people, and that's

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01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: all well and good. But does this simply mean that

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: we don't need anyone who's not educated in America? We

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01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: don't need that immigrant labor that we don't need people

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01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: at the low end.

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Speaker 2: Of the Trump.

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Speaker 6: Well, America has a program called the H two A

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01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 6: and the HTVVSA programs. The H two A is seasonal

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01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 6: agricultural labor. Now, even though those are on you know,

1541
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 6: people who generally don't have a high school diploma, they're

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 6: working in farms.

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: For low wages.

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 6: The reality is that we didn't have them, the farms

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01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 6: would shut down. It would be too expensive to farm

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01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 6: in America. We would just import the food from other countries.

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01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 6: But we cannot import everything, like we cannot import a

1548
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 6: hair cards because you have to do it in person.

1549
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 6: But we can import every agricultural product. So the advantage

1550
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 6: is that, yes, you keep that industry here, you create

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01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 6: jobs for Americans and agriculture as well. And then the

1552
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 6: second it's seasonal, so these immigrants never stay. They leave

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01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 6: after a season or two, and so they never collect

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 6: government benefits. That is okay to have, well you cannot have.

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 6: It's allowing people who make very little money to immigrate

1556
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 6: permanently to the United States because if they do, the

1557
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 6: mass is that they will simply lower debt.

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01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: They will I get the agriculture element because that's a

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: national security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.

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01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,

1561
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread

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01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: basket here in the United States of America, produce lot

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: of corn, soybeing, et cetera, et cetera. But on the

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01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm fields, whatsoever,

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: that are Americans going to fill that void? I mean

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01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: working in a I don't know, a meat processing plant

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: for example, or something along those lines, where it's physical labor,

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01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: building houses work, doing roof jobs and construction and dry

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: wall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs. It's seemingly, and

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01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about this immigrant labor, if

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: you completely.

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Speaker 2: Got rid of that, it ceased to exist.

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: I get that they you know, they live here, but

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: they a lot of them go and start their own

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01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: business too. There's got to be a carve out for that,

1576
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: right because, let's face it, there are jobs out there

1577
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: we don't want our kids to take well.

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 6: So the thing is that weges would change, even in agriculture,

1579
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 6: would change if you didn't have immigrant workers. The wages

1580
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,919
Speaker 6: would increase. The problem is that for them, cultural industry.

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 6: It would just end the industry, right that we would

1582
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 6: just import the food. But that's not the case. And

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 6: the same thing first, for example tech, if we didn't

1584
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 6: have highly educated workers, what the tech industry is that

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01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 6: they opened in an office in Canada and then they

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 6: do everything from there because everything's remote. So you would

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01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 6: rather have those resources here. But the issue with other

1588
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,480
Speaker 6: things like construction is that you would still have construction,

1589
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 6: it would just be a higher price that Even then,

1590
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 6: most of the cost of housing has nothing to do

1591
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 6: with construction and everything to do with materials, so you know,

1592
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 6: the tiers are harming or sony laws which we can change,

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 6: so we don't really need or it wouldn't really be

1594
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 6: beneficial to have a lot of immigrants, low paid coming

1595
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 6: for construction because they will receive with just a lot

1596
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 6: of welfare. Alternatively, you could still have a guest worker

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01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 6: program that is seasonal, ensuring that people go back and

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 6: never stay permanently and collect entitlements.

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Speaker 1: Daniel de Martino, Manhattan Institute on Immigration. This morning on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW, so we talked about younger educated immigrants

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: and advanced degrees a huge bunda the economy.

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: We need more of them.

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: Employment based high skilled visa holders not benefit there as well.

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01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: What about extended family.

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, the extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants

1606
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 6: coming to America. They come with very little English proficiency,

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01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 6: you know, medium to low levels of education, and they

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01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 6: end up receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay.

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 6: This is why my proposal to how we should change

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 6: the imtigation system is simply we take in all these

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01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 6: extended relative pieces and we just give them out based

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01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 6: on whether immigrants have a good English, whether they have

1613
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 6: a good education, whether they're young, whether they have a

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 6: job offer in the United States, and then that's how

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01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 6: the labor market comes through the gap, you know, without

1616
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 6: picking winners and losers. And then the employment based business

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01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 6: that we already have, we just ranking them to the

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01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 6: highest paid instead without care of the profession. You know,

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 6: it's not about education, it's about who pays the most.

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01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 6: If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like incredible and

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 6: he's getting paid one hundred and fifty K, then bringing

1622
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 6: that carpenter right, that's the market showing its signal through

1623
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 6: the price.

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: When the family comes along, it's different, But how many

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01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: immigrants will that dissuade from coming to the United States

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01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: if they can't bring their their wife, their kids, significant others,

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: one of your.

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 6: Mom or I'm not saying anything about wife and children.

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01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 6: I'm just saying eliminate the stibling category, the adult children category,

1631
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 6: who together they bring in one hundred and thirty one

1632
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 6: thousand people. You might say, well, now, but people want

1633
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 6: to bring in their siblings or they are adults children

1634
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 6: the relative that they can't anymore anyway, because the system,

1635
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 6: the family system already exists in is so backlog that

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01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 6: it takes twenty years. It's the same of the didnert exists.

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 6: We need to get rid of it and give it

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01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 6: based from marriage instead. In fact, you seem more fair

1639
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 6: because if you're an imager living into the Philippines and

1640
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 6: you don't have a relative in the US, when you're

1641
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 6: out of luck, you can't come. And no matter how

1642
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 6: educated you get, no matter how great you are, under

1643
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 6: a system based on your characteristics, you are not dependent

1644
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 6: on the law of how in a relative in America

1645
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 6: you come.

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01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: To a man and am of that.

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01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog which encourages illegal immigration.

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01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 1: Here I mean, if you have to wait twenty years,

1649
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years for your case of here and possibly

1650
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: get at that point, why would you if you're coming

1651
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: from such an impoverished and most dangerous part of the world.

1652
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: I take my chances and slip across the border, fire them.

1653
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: It's a matter between life and death. Who's got fifteen

1654
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: twenty years to wait for you're allowed to come to

1655
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: the United States of America.

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01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: This would cut that down.

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 6: I would think, yes, I think I would re use

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01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 6: the incentive. But at the same time, we have learned

1659
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 6: that if the president wants to, they can secure the border,

1660
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 6: and President Trump has so that's also note necessarily ast

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01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 6: important to.

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01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I mean

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01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 1: we're not functioning right now as we speak. As you know, Danielle,

1664
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: what's the political feasibility of this thing? You have to

1665
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: do some tremendous coalition building just to have someone hear

1666
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: this whole thing between family visa cuts and legalization with

1667
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: fees and deportations and all that stuff. It's a messy proposition.

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01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: In reality, politics doesn't work that way.

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01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 6: So absolutely they I'll say, President Trump, with the funding

1670
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 6: that he got from the one big beautiful bills for deportations,

1671
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 6: and how that's drunk enough and hopefully you know, so

1672
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 6: we will know that the legality of the DAKA program

1673
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 6: from the Supreme courts. I think those two factors combined

1674
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 6: the fact that we already get done with the tax

1675
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 6: cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably

1676
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 6: going to go to another topic. Then that topic might

1677
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 6: be immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the

1678
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 6: funding he got for the deportations, and in the Democrats

1679
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 6: were smart, they would come to the negotiating table, right,

1680
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 6: because you need sixty votes in the Senate to pass.

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: Anything that's not budget related.

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 6: So if the Democrats say, you know, we negotiate, we

1683
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 6: can legalize some people. Yes, the tool will reduce family immigration,

1684
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 6: and we will bring in more high school immigrants. But

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01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 6: if they don't negotiate, then maybe a million more people

1686
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 6: than deported. So we will know how much they really

1687
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 6: care about that very soon.

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Speaker 2: Dana d.

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Speaker 1: Martini, you analyze this. You looked at ten and thirty

1690
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: year impacts of literally dozens of immigration policy US has

1691
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 1: had and categorizing the immigrants on tax revenue and population GDP,

1692
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: federal spending and all that if this were to come

1693
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: to fruition and we did it the way you suggest here,

1694
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: what are we looking at as far as a savings

1695
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: relative to the national debt.

1696
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So under my plan, which would just shift immigrant

1697
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 6: visas towards more highly educated categories with a change namagan

1698
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 6: flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit, and

1699
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 6: then legalizing the people who are here legally as long

1700
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 6: as they pay without a fiveway to citizenship, but allowing

1701
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 6: them to work in state as long as they pay

1702
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 6: five thousand dollars a year for ten years of fifty

1703
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 6: k to reduce the deb and they obviously they are

1704
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 6: not criminals. All that that will reduce the national debt

1705
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 6: from its current trijectory by twenty trillion dollars over thirty years.

1706
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 6: It will reduce or essentially over the long run, it

1707
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 6: would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important

1708
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 6: because it means we don't to cut.

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01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 2: Some security or raise.

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 6: Access if we pursue radical immigration reform right now.

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01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other element here too, of course is

1712
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying charging five thousand dollars

1713
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: a year for X number of years, and that would

1714
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: reduce the debt and their burden on the system. But

1715
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: how realistic is that to actually.

1716
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 6: Execute the people who don't pay it. Then they are

1717
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 6: the fine targets for deportation because it means that they're

1718
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 6: not willing to pay it under skier of them, so

1719
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 6: they're much easier to report.

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: Very interesting, and that literally would take her. It's of course,

1721
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, then we're back to the political questions because

1722
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 1: Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have

1723
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: much already and they can't afford five thousand dollars and

1724
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: to shake down. But you know, at the end of

1725
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Speaker 1: the day, we're all paying for this.

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01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: Daniel de Martin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, America is not supposed to be the welfare state

1728
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 6: of the world. Right, if you do not sustain yourself,

1729
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 6: I pay it after you broke the law. It seems

1730
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 6: like a really reasonable penalty that would benefit the nation.

1731
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't

1732
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: that big an ask? I'll be honest with you, Daniel

1733
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: de Martino at the Manhattan Institute, Thanks so much for

1734
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: the time.

1735
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: Really interesting, Thank you.

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01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the program makes sense, but then you're

1737
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: gonna have the fields right, Well, you can't, you can't, Chary,

1738
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: you can't these people already, Oh my god, somebody's got

1739
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: to stand up for the And then, of course, you know,

1740
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: the thing stagnates, it gets water down, and what sounds

1741
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: like a pretty decent plan winds up while costing his money.

1742
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: That's the way government works. Scott's Loan Show with News

1743
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: in four minutes here seven hundred WLW Radio.

1744
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: But embarrassing a game you had.

1745
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: Well in hand against the winless team at pay Corps

1746
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: Stadium bends up thirty one sixteen and can't put it away.

1747
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: Gave up what twenty three to twenty in the fourth

1748
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: quarter thirty nine points to A guy was benched by

1749
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: the worst team in football, justin Fields twenty one thirty two,

1750
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty four yards a TD and no

1751
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 1: interceptions and coming off two games, by the way, with

1752
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback rating under sixty, so bad that his owner

1753
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: demanded him to be benched, and he was until Tyrod

1754
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 1: Taylor got hurt. And now you got Justin fieldsen Now

1755
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: he looks like every bit the guy they ought he

1756
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: was when they got him. No Garrett Wilson, no Josh Reynolds,

1757
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: one guy essentially on offense running the football beat the

1758
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Bengals yesterday thirty nine thirty eight. The Bengals fall to

1759
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: three and five with Chicago on the schedule next. James

1760
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: rapenis here from SIS Bengals Talk dot com and the

1761
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: Daily Lockdown Bengals podcast. James, your head has to be

1762
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: reeling this morning.

1763
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, Scott, and I still

1764
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 4: even now, would it at sixteen hours or whatever it

1765
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 4: is removed? I cannot believe they lost that game. And

1766
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 4: they had a fifteen.

1767
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 2: Point lead in the fourth quarter, a fourteen point lead

1768
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, five different times they had a

1769
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: double digit lead in that game. And yet we are

1770
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: talking about a three and five team and a one

1771
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: in five team without Joe Burrow.

1772
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: I remember when the Bengals back in twenty eighteen, they

1773
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 1: lost like fifty one fourteen to the Saints and they

1774
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: got last time they got smoked in twenty ten by

1775
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: the Jets was thirty seven nothing. I thought, okay, that

1776
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: forty seven to ten loss against Minnesota just a couple

1777
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I thought that is that this is

1778
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: up there with one of the worst in Bengals, sister.

1779
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, think about this from a team that said

1780
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: really really really low lows. Where in your mind, James

1781
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: Rapine does this lost rank yesterday?

1782
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Well, this could very well end up being the.

1783
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 4: Worst loss of the Zach Taylor era outside of you know,

1784
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl from a meaning standpoint, but when this

1785
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 4: could do to this season and what would have happened

1786
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 4: if they had won it versus what they could go

1787
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 4: down in the past, they could go down now like

1788
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 4: this is this is one of those games where you're like, oh, well,

1789
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 4: I wonder, I wonder what the twenty twenty five Bengals

1790
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 4: would be like if they had won that game against

1791
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 4: the right and instead they go on to win four

1792
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 4: games total and they win one more game the rest

1793
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 4: of the way. I'm not saying that's going to happen,

1794
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 4: and I think there's enough talent, certainly on offense. But like,

1795
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 4: it's how it feels today. That's how it felt after

1796
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 4: the games, and Jamar Chase is saying, ask Zach, and

1797
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 4: that's a question for Zach, and it just it felt

1798
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 4: like that was a big, big moment. So I think

1799
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: historically at a huge game, huge loss because of what

1800
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 4: it could mean moving forward.

1801
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the Super Bowl lost the Rams, but

1802
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: that was the blanket. I'm literally a quarter of a

1803
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: second he completes the ball, and it's a different story

1804
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals win the Super Bowl. We're that close. Bengals

1805
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: are that close. This is the exact opposite of that.

1806
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: This was what a demoralizing defeat to come back to

1807
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 1: put it up by that much and then lose the

1808
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 1: lead so many times and then at the end get

1809
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: beat essentially on a half back pass.

1810
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: Who's this on? Who do you blame?

1811
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 6: Oh?

1812
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is going to be something. There's layers

1813
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 4: to it, and you know, you can certainly start with

1814
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 4: the front office for thinking that they should run it

1815
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 4: back with the defense. That's been as bad as the

1816
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 4: defense was last year, and so for them to run

1817
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 4: it back and do basically what they did is they

1818
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 4: changed a few of the coaches, obviously defensive coordinator out

1819
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 4: of Golden and then they said, oh, well, you know,

1820
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 4: we'll get a nose tackle in here. What they needed

1821
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 4: one and that's going to fix it. Well it didn't

1822
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 4: fix it. In fact, it's worse. This is the worst

1823
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 4: base fin They are dead last in points per game,

1824
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 4: nearly thirty two points per game given up, dead last

1825
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 4: and rushing yards per game, dead last in yards per game,

1826
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 4: third last, and passing yards per game. You see an

1827
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 4: there like they stick. Their defensive line has had a

1828
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 4: sack since Week five. Their last sack came in week

1829
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 4: six when Gino Stone, a safety, had a sack on

1830
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 4: Jordan Love in Green Bay. This defense stinks, and so

1831
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 4: it starts with the front office. It isn't just there

1832
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: is that Taylor picked out Golden Al Golden's not getting

1833
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 4: it done.

1834
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor's the.

1835
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: Head coach, so I always resort to that. I try

1836
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 2: to remind people he's not just the offensive side, right,

1837
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 2: he's the head coach. And so no, I think there's

1838
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: plenty of blame to go around. It starts at the top.

1839
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: It certainly trickles down to the coaching staff as well.

1840
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: When the coaches. Someone's got to step up and make

1841
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: a play. Someone's got to step up and make a play.

1842
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: The lack of playmakers, that's on Duke Tobin.

1843
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 4: Sure, no doubt in that is with without a doubt

1844
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 4: this defense. No one can debate it.

1845
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: Nobody. They do not have enough playmakers. And and we

1846
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: saw that yesterday, and by playmakers. I can also just

1847
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: break that down to guys who can tackle, Guys who

1848
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 2: can run and hie off of the block and be

1849
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 2: a basic play can't tackle.

1850
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: Wow, how do you look so good against Pittsburgh and

1851
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: then lay this egg?

1852
01:27:55,880 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: Well they didn't. That's that's what's that's what's so concerning.

1853
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: This isn't one bad quarter. Yeah, this was a.

1854
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 4: Defense that tried to give away that pause first game

1855
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 4: and they let Pat fryer Mouth get open and give

1856
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 4: up a sixty eight yard touchdown and move the league,

1857
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 4: bumble the lead away. And yeah, they forced a couple

1858
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 4: of turnovers, And I get that that's great, but you

1859
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 4: need to be able to get off the field and

1860
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 4: when you're up fourteen with and I tweeted this playout

1861
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 4: last night, when you're up fourteen thirty eight twenty four

1862
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 4: eight minutes to go and the Jets are still comfortable

1863
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 4: running the ball, Like that's that's the biggest advice. Like

1864
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 4: that's so insulting, right, like so insulting, Like you never

1865
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 4: see that across the league. I watched a ton of

1866
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 4: NFL football. If you're done two scores in the fourth quarter,

1867
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 4: very rarely.

1868
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: You're not running the ball. You're not running the ball

1869
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 2: in there running like crazy. Yeah, but but that is

1870
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: the only weapon.

1871
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the injuries that lovely oh and

1872
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: seven New York Jets came in and everybody was hurt.

1873
01:28:58,360 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: We thought, oh, it was gonna be a get to

1874
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: see Sauce Pardner homecoming weekend at you see see how

1875
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: he matches up against Chase And that'd be kind of fun,

1876
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: right because he shut him down last time.

1877
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:07,879
Speaker 2: Maybe some revenge.

1878
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: Now he's out, your top two, your receivers are Garrett

1879
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Wilson's out. Everyone in the building knew and everyone watching

1880
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: it new that Breese Hall was the only weapon they had.

1881
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: The only threat you had was Breese Hall. How did

1882
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: you hit one hundred and thirty three yards and what

1883
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: two touchdowns? And of course with the game winner? How

1884
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: is that possible?

1885
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 4: And that's why I looked at the coaching because if

1886
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 4: you pay attention to and I posted all the postgame comments,

1887
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 4: but like Jamar Chase on the final drive when the

1888
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 4: Bengals are down and if they gotta have a moment,

1889
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, they ran double double on me and

1890
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 4: t because why they didn't want Jamar and hey, to

1891
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 4: beat them, so they double team both of those guys.

1892
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 4: If you know Breese Hall is the only dude that

1893
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 4: can beat you realistically, is that there some way coaching

1894
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 4: wise you can make sure he does not beat you.

1895
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 4: And he did over and over and over again in

1896
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, when again they were so comfortable running

1897
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 4: the ball and getting explosive runs and trunk plays on

1898
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 4: the ground that they were running the ball late in

1899
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 4: this game down two scores.

1900
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Back to the play calling Taylor and his Marvin S

1901
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: clock management. I don't know what he was doing midfield,

1902
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: and it runs it with forty two seconds left, one

1903
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 1: yard gain on a running play when you're trying to

1904
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: score and then you're trying to hit Andre Joseavas twice

1905
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: with the game on the line, you're completely a coach there.

1906
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: What would you look at that and go, that's hip,

1907
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: that's bush league.

1908
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 4: Well, this is where coaching slash the offense comes in

1909
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 4: because as bad as the defense was, yeah, you're right,

1910
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 4: the offense still could have done it. Could We could

1911
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 4: have been talking about a four and fourteen that needs

1912
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 4: to figure out the defense. But hey, they went too

1913
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 4: straight and so games on the line, you get a

1914
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 4: first down by hanging it off the chase Brown and

1915
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 4: so all right, you're at the forty five yard line.

1916
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 4: I like the first down play to andre Yosavash. It

1917
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 4: was a it was a steam ball. It's really tough

1918
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 4: cashing and catch it clean and then he gets hit.

1919
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 4: But like, I like the idea of it, because if

1920
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 4: that ball is complete, your infield goal range boom right

1921
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 4: away second bound and this is where it falls apart

1922
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 4: is you run it with p Ryan, don't get it,

1923
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 4: have to call it time out. Now it's third and long.

1924
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 4: Guess what the whole world knows you're gonna throw it yep,

1925
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 4: and it makes it. It makes it much much tougher.

1926
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 4: Joe Flacko has to throw it away. Fourth down. Guess

1927
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 4: what they do. They take away the bengals two best

1928
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 4: players by double teaming them, and then you have to

1929
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 4: go to andre Jo Sabash and so yeah, I totally

1930
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 4: get that. So the second down run is a huge play.

1931
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 4: And then then on the drive fire they had to

1932
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 4: punt give the ball back to the Jets and they're

1933
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 4: only up six. The fact that you don't run it,

1934
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 4: the fact that you're just passing on that drive and

1935
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 4: you go three and out. That's another area. So like

1936
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 4: when things started to get tight, the Bengals got tight

1937
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 4: on offense, they needed to get one more score and

1938
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 4: at that point, you know it, you know you're going

1939
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 4: to have to score one more time, and they didn't.

1940
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I do think that the defense is

1941
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 4: going to take a ton of blame, and rightfully so.

1942
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 4: We spent plenty of time talking about the defense. But

1943
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 4: this offense and Zach Taylor, they should have, could have

1944
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 4: and didn't.

1945
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Speaker 2: Deliver with the game on the line on those final

1946
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 2: two jogs as good as they were all day long,

1947
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 2: and I did it thirty eight points five, but forty

1948
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 2: one is what it took to win the game, and

1949
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 2: they needed to go get a field goal and they

1950
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 2: didn't do it right.

1951
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Speaker 1: And it's not the tail and it's the play calling.

1952
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: This questionable, But above that is the defensive coaching. You

1953
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: know what's changed with Al Golding replacing lou Anaruma that

1954
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: they gave up over five hundred yards total offense to

1955
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,560
Speaker 1: the freaking Jets. Jets haven't had that much offense and

1956
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 1: like flat well since the last time they played the Bengals.

1957
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: I think eleven.

1958
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Sacks Bengals in the cellar the league there they can't

1959
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: rush the pass or you can't stop the run. And

1960
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: this is what a bad Jets team, made worse by

1961
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: the fact that all their quote unquote stars were pretty

1962
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: much out except for Briest Hall, who killed you. And

1963
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: so I look at that and go defensively, all right,

1964
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 1: we got al Golden, they're great. Lou Anroumo seems to

1965
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: be doing a k and Indy, yeah he does.

1966
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 4: And that's that was what lou was frustrated with. Like,

1967
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 4: he was frustrated with the lack of talent, right yep.

1968
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 4: And and the Bengal said, well, we've given you.

1969
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 2: A lot of talent.

1970
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 4: We've invested all these draft picks, and and that's where

1971
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 4: the disconnect was. And I think, one you better get

1972
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 4: better at drafting too. I do think Lou was wrong

1973
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 4: in the tooth here and there were some things that

1974
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 4: needed to change, so like, but clearly it wasn't just

1975
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 4: really Lou wasn't just a bad man and way off

1976
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 4: his rocker and wrong and you know, and that's what

1977
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 4: we're seeing. And that's that's what I think is it

1978
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 4: could be such a why this could be such a

1979
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,560
Speaker 4: era defining, not just season defining, era defining.

1980
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 2: Loss, because I feel like if we if we looked

1981
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 2: off a few months from now, when we're talking about

1982
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,879
Speaker 2: a new coaching staff and changes to the front office

1983
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 2: and all these things that could come, well, guess what

1984
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 2: you're going to point to that Judge game where if

1985
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 2: they win their four and four their half game back

1986
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 2: in the North because the Packers sable business last night.

1987
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 4: What a missed opportunity by this Bengals team to not

1988
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 4: get back to five hundred and be right there in

1989
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 4: the division and instead you you fumble it away, you.

1990
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Know, Patty, you look at Pittsburgh. Man, it's a game

1991
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: that probably should liten.

1992
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 2: They want to win.

1993
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: In that game, everybody feels good. No one said up,

1994
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 1: you know the Jets are going to come in and

1995
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: beat the Bess. I thought, you know, going in and like,

1996
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: hey watch out and seventeams man, oh and seven teams

1997
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: oh in any team right in any league. They're a

1998
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: dangerous team. They'll do anything to win. But then you

1999
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: saw the injuris like there's no way, there's no way

2000
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: they can pull off this win.

2001
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 2: And yet they did.

2002
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: And as much as you talk about okay, well, Luina

2003
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Roumo long in the tooth, put Al Golden in their

2004
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: new systems. It's the talent that they're getting, you know

2005
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. Miles Murphy Shamar Stewart aren't getting the

2006
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Bengals enough production in the investment they made. Let's face it,

2007
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy's not exactly in the house down here. Stuart Okay,

2008
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: he sat out miss four games of the ankle. I

2009
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: get that he was non existent. CTV Logan will sing

2010
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: good run on the list all the guys that they

2011
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: brought back too, and said, Okay, we're just gonna stand

2012
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: pat here. Look what's happening. That's that's above El Golden,

2013
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: that's above Zach Taylor.

2014
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 2: Sure, there's no doubt. And I think.

2015
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 4: That's why when they during free agency, because I'm really known,

2016
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 4: like there's not there's not someone in Cincinnati media that

2017
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 4: pushes for free agents and veterans more than me. I'm

2018
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 4: really loud about it because I want them to do it.

2019
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 4: And so guess what I've been loud about. I've been

2020
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 4: loud about it since I worked with Mo every day

2021
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 4: down right right. I just I want them to make

2022
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 4: moves because guess what, that's what wins in the NFL

2023
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five.

2024
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: You gotta be agress. You've got to go get guys

2025
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 2: you just do, and they didn't. They're big. Their big

2026
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: move this offseason was getting Jamar and t done during

2027
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 2: free agency when they could be talking to these other guys.

2028
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: Right and by dragged that whole thing out. And it's

2029
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: just and Trey.

2030
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 2: That's it.

2031
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just all of those that can

2032
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 4: wait till after mid March when you need to be

2033
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 4: focused on bringing an outside talent that can stop the

2034
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 4: run and tackle and do all of the things, the

2035
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 4: basic things that you need to do as an NFL

2036
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 4: football player that happens to play on defense.

2037
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: And so that's where that's where it started. And then

2038
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, maybe the scheme will work and

2039
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 2: some of these rookies will work and some of these

2040
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 2: young players will play better and all those things. It

2041
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 2: just has not.

2042
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 4: It has not worked. I mean, I agree with you.

2043
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 4: How do Schamar Stewart not have a quarterback hit yesterday

2044
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 4: against you know, like you need.

2045
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 2: Him to be that guy and he just hasn't been

2046
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: that s Is that coaching? Is it bad drafting? Is

2047
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 2: it not?

2048
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: I think that that's all should be on the table.

2049
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: And I'll mention too, they're one superstar. And Trey Hendrickson

2050
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: he got that light bio as a cheap shots. What

2051
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: it looked like to me, the way he glept off

2052
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: that field with that hit. Again, I don't know when

2053
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: he's coming back. I really don't.

2054
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree, it would be a cheap shot,

2055
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: borderline dirty, you might call it dirty. And and yeah,

2056
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 2: now where is your pass rush? Where is it coming from?

2057
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart. We knew he was a raw prospect, but

2058
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: you need it, you got to have it now. And

2059
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 2: they didn't get it.

2060
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: And the Bears are better than the get Jets, that's

2061
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: for sure. And they're coming to town Sunday.

2062
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,719
Speaker 2: Everyone's better than the Jets. That Jets teams still terrible.

2063
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,560
Speaker 4: That Jets teams stinks, So for them to lose to that,

2064
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just there's we're not going to look

2065
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 4: back at the five weeks would be like, oh, we

2066
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 4: see you. The Judgs were good. No they're not, no, no, no, no,

2067
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 4: just terrible.

2068
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 1: James Rapine with Bengals Talk dot Com Lockedown Bengals Podcast.

2069
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: He should be doing two podcasts four podcasts today with

2070
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 1: all this material. But I won't tell you how to

2071
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: you do your job, James, but somebody need to tell

2072
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: the Bengals, the defense.

2073
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: How to do their job, to do their job.

2074
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: I understand that the Bengals defense was in charge of

2075
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: the Marty Brennman statue guarding it the night the microphone

2076
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 1: got stolen. So I don't know what the hell to

2077
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 1: make of anything in this town with our sports teams.

2078
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: I really really don't. The Bengals were just got awful yesterday.

2079
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for it, and I've been around long

2080
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: enough to know it's not gonna change anytime soon. James,

2081
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: all the best, Buddy, appreciate it.

2082
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I heard they tried to tackle the guy who took

2083
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 2: the mic. They got away.

2084
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: He got away right in the end zone. Well the microphone,

2085
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: see you, buddy, appreciate it. Got to get to a

2086
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: news update here Cunningham on the way afterwards here home.

2087
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