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Speaker 1: Gary Selma. We've been talking a lot about winter conditions

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Speaker 1: Brian Cross and he is with Rocky Mountain. I could

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Speaker 1: goof that up because it's National Snowguard Safety Month. Hey

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Speaker 1: have I impressed you so far? Brian?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All over the place. Man, tell me a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Rocky Mountain Snowguard Company.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we are a snow retention manufacturer based

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Speaker 2: in Inglewood, Colorado, and uh we you know, provide snow

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Speaker 1: So my first question is, I know you're in Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it definitely anywhere where you get snow, and

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Speaker 1: So asphalt shingles probably not too bad, but metal roofing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely asphalt shingles, they've got a higher friction

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Speaker 2: But when we get into the more slippery roof types,

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Speaker 1: Sure, so I'm very familiar with you know that sheet

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so I might get too technical, and if

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Speaker 1: So is this a horizontal piece of material.

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Speaker 2: And then there's also snow fences, and snow fences are

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Speaker 1: One of the things we've had a problem in our

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Speaker 1: Sure, so how are the snowguards attached, So.

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Speaker 1: So one question comes up on my show a lot

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Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain snowguards. One other thing you talked about a pattern.

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Speaker 1: Do you create a debt problem or not a problem?

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Speaker 2: there we'll look at you know, pitch snowload roofing material

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Speaker 2: and we'll be able to recommend a specific pattern that's

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Speaker 2: we're the only company that's doing this, but we've seen

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Speaker 2: incredible effectiveness with it. So it's twelve inch place the

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Speaker 2: snowguard every twelve inch going down a course. And the

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Speaker 2: you know, you still have twelve inches between the snowguards,

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Speaker 2: but they don't account for you know, the verticality, right,

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Speaker 2: we're going up the roof deck and also over twelve inches,

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Speaker 2: so it ends up being eighteen inches in some of

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Speaker 1: Fascinating and Brian, in all seriousness, thank you for your

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Speaker 1: education you're giving us. I know it's probably for you

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Speaker 1: a pretty elementary course, but I think letting people be

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Speaker 1: aware of it, and how would they contact Rocky Mountain Snowguards.

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Speaker 2: So we have, you know, a website and a phone number.

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Speaker 2: So our websites Rockymountain Snowguards dot com. Okay, our phone

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Speaker 2: number is seven two zero three nine seven seven five

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Speaker 2: six okay, and you can call and talk to us.

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Speaker 2: You can talk to me or you're able to just

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Speaker 2: email with you know, our team and ask the questions

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Speaker 1: Okay. And I guess your rufor may know a little

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Speaker 1: bit about you also, so that's another way. Again it's

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Speaker 1: Rocky Mountainsnowguards dot com. Brian, once again, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for your time. I appreciate it. I appreciate the education.

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Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. Take care all right. So there you

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