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Speaker 1: Cuban, not Joe Lieber, Ladies and gentlemen. Bed Leiber, a

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Speaker 1: Monday regular thanks to the Sierra Nevada Brewing Company, is

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Speaker 1: kind of to join us via the Kinetical Water Systems hotline.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a little uncomfortable to say, but I think

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Speaker 1: we should kind of clear the air on it. You know,

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Speaker 1: the news about Adam Thielen, and it turns out that

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Speaker 1: being on this program might well be a curse for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. I hope you don't view it

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Speaker 1: the same way. Because we've had guardian and I have

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Speaker 1: added them up between coaches, head coaches, assistant coaches, and players.

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Speaker 1: We've had no fewer than seven regulars maybe eight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and all of them are didn't last. All of them

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Speaker 1: either didn't get resigned here, left here, we weren't interested

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Speaker 2: You know. The only person that lasted that we had

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Speaker 2: as a weekly regular, and it was in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine, Ben Lieber.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point.

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Speaker 2: Ben Lieber was the only one that could break the curse.

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Speaker 2: Not only break the curse, he parlays it into Now

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Speaker 2: he's on all the time on the fans, liber is

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Speaker 2: the only one that was strong enough to stand up

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Speaker 2: to the bumper to bumper curse.

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Speaker 1: So I think we've already you don't even have to

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Speaker 1: answer the question. You're fine, you're inoculated. I mean you're immunized.

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Speaker 1: You're immunized, exactly.

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Speaker 3: It of it, right, Yeah, I mean it's thankfully I

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Speaker 3: did get it. You know, it's the one shot I

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Speaker 3: don't regret. It feels it feels really good. Here's the question, though,

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Speaker 3: as you're going through all those like you're saying, those

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Speaker 3: make it one full season.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, that's regular. That's a little bit of an exaggeration.

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Speaker 1: They did make it, they weren't very long, maybe two.

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Speaker 1: The guy who was had the shortest tenure as a

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Speaker 1: smoot at actually lasted like two weeks. Smoot lasted two

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Speaker 1: weeks as irregular, one week longer than Zach Perezi. That's

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Speaker 1: a very good point. That's a very good point. Peise's

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Speaker 1: one week. How long was got? The old receiver who

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Speaker 1: also spent time with the bearer, he was about a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bernard Barrion had one of the kind of kookiest

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Speaker 3: no shoes that he wore every day?

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Speaker 3: So you know, he was always it always seemed like

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Speaker 1: Maybe that was causing the foot problem. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: Bernard was also. I do remember there were a few

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what's funny about that is I

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Speaker 1: But here's here's how well, here's what's funny. Here's how

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Speaker 1: may perhaps I've mellowed in that regard because I think

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Speaker 1: if you did it now, I'd actually enjoy it. Adds

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Speaker 1: The famous example guards he knows this story, I think,

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Speaker 1: is the legendary Boston Globe Pro football columnist Will McDonough

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever knew him or knew

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Speaker 1: been Chad, I don't know who, said Will, where are

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Speaker 1: And Will mcdonna, by the way, he's a big, hulking man. He,

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Speaker 1: Guess that's the moral of the story, isn't it. You

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Speaker 1: Oh apparently not, because he got attacked. He was basically

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Speaker 1: Raymond cle That explains it. There you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a coming. Yeah, got that Claiborne. You

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Speaker 3: really enjoy what's that? This is why, this is why,

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Speaker 1: If well, we're sadly getting very close to the point

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Speaker 1: going to be left to say? Right, it's all sort

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Speaker 3: you know, he's a slow processor that's not getting done,

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Speaker 3: He's ultra processor. I mean he's yeah, yeah, he's like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we know this, right, I mean the head

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Speaker 1: coach all but made it official that McCarthy all the

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Speaker 1: And he hash to Wright. I mean we all kidded,

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Speaker 1: just going to start flinging it. Whatever it is. You're

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Speaker 1: out of the playoff race. It's over. So you are

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Speaker 1: rest of the way, right, that's the story from this point forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. And it's it is sad that

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Speaker 3: we can't take that same narrative and that same approach

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Speaker 3: I kind of suspected that we're going to be passing there.

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Speaker 3: oh boy, we needed to have kind of a backup

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Speaker 3: plan and maybe he can work his way into that

432
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Speaker 3: number three spot. I guess maybe those situations, don't hit,

433
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Speaker 3: don't hit the panic button. Let's let the season play

434
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Speaker 3: out a little bit. And I know it was a

435
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Speaker 3: feel good story and all that stuff, but it didn't

436
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: work out for whatever reasons. Not there in the meeting rooms,

437
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: not there in the practice field, Donnerstan exactly why he

438
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Speaker 3: was able to get more reps. I do see though

439
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Speaker 3: with my own eyes. Unfortunately, he didn't necessarily capitalize on

440
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Speaker 3: some of those opportunities, right, you know, he got he

441
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Speaker 3: got the opportunities and games and wasn't the most reliable

442
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Speaker 3: pass catcher. And I don't know really what goes into

443
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Speaker 3: that either. So I can kind of see and understand

444
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Speaker 3: both sides of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious to see if he's able to land

446
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Speaker 1: in any place. I don't know if Carolina is looking

447
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Speaker 1: for any depth. He's got some you know, obviously some

448
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Speaker 1: equity there, but hard to say. And I think I

449
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Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier in fairness to all the Vikings wide receivers,

450
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Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to evaluate them thoroughly, even the

451
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Speaker 1: ones in their prime right now, right, I mean, because

452
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Speaker 1: of what this team is dealing with at the quarterback position.

453
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Speaker 1: Do you you know we're all looking for, you know,

454
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Speaker 1: the non verbal communication of Justin Efferson. We're all kind

455
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Speaker 1: of waiting for the nationally, especially they've already started the

456
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Speaker 1: clock on well, are they gonna have to trade him?

457
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Speaker 1: Is he when? Is he going to demand to trade?

458
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Speaker 1: Apparently Randy Moss raised that issue before the game Sunday

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Speaker 1: on the ESPN Morning Show. So what are you seeing

460
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Speaker 1: with with with with Jefferson. Clearly he's frustrated. I don't

461
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Speaker 1: know how he couldn't be. But do you do you

462
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: think this organization has some should have some legitimate concerns

463
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Speaker 1: about him hanging in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. Actually, he's been nothing but an actual

465
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Speaker 3: pros pro, you know, since he's been here. But he's

466
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Speaker 3: not immune to be in human and he's not immune

467
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Speaker 3: to hearing what people say. Fans wise, his own family

468
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Speaker 3: and friends. I'm sure what some teammates have talked to

469
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Speaker 3: him about. Everybody wants to leave a legacy, a personal legacy,

470
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Speaker 3: and if you can do both, have your cake and

471
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Speaker 3: eat it too, be a Hall of Fame wide receiver

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Speaker 3: and help get your team to a Super Bowl and

473
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Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl. That's the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 3: But if you don't get the sense that offensively, we're

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Speaker 3: in a position to create a Hall of Fame type

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Speaker 3: of production, which also means you're probably not a good

477
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Speaker 3: enough team to even compete for a Super Bowl. Then

478
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Speaker 3: I think there's a there's a legitimate conversation that he's

479
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Speaker 3: probably having, and and I'm not mad at him for it.

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Speaker 3: I don't hate him for it. I wouldn't be I'd

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Speaker 3: be disappointed, and you know it would it would suck

482
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Speaker 3: because I regard him in such high esteem. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's been he's such a good influence in the locker

484
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Speaker 3: room and such a good influence in the community. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that this is a foregone conclusion by

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Speaker 3: the means, But if you're asking me if if he's

487
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Speaker 3: feeling and he's forecasting what this team looks like and

488
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Speaker 3: who's throwing the football to him in the next two years,

489
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Speaker 3: and if he decides it's not what I want, I

490
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Speaker 3: think it'd be hard to to push back against that.

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Speaker 1: You're right, excellent work is always my friend. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: the time, and we will we'll chat next week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, ben Al, it sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Nacho Leber, will you put him on hold for me?

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Speaker 1: I keep forgetting to move the phone to a spot

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Speaker 1: where it's close enough to my headset. Nacho joins us

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Speaker 1: Weekly brought to you by our good friends at the

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Speaker 1: Sierra Nevada Brewing Company. We still have a decent amount

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Speaker 1: of show left and Guards he is out again. He's

500
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Speaker 1: got gold to go for women's basketball duty tonight. They

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Speaker 1: got another game tonight. So Brett Blakemore is back in

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Speaker 1: that chair. The rest of the way. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: ask Guards, you are we going the distance?

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Speaker 5: Today?

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Speaker 1: Is a six point thirty show? Or is it six fifteen?

506
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Speaker 1: I never know these days. I've got to go in

507
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Speaker 1: the distance the distance. Okay, So we got many more

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Speaker 1: Vikings talking points to discuss. Keep the text coming into

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Speaker 1: the brat Shawn Brian Caffean text line, and we may

510
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Speaker 1: even broaden some of the discussion in the regarding some

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Speaker 1: other National Football League developments over the last twenty four

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Speaker 1: to forty eight hours, and who knows where else we go,

513
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Speaker 1: But will continue with another Vikings, a very juicy Vikings

514
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Speaker 1: talking point when we come back. Somebody people wanted to

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Speaker 1: go ahead and kick the field goal on the fourth

516
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Speaker 1: and one. I you can you can defend it on

517
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Speaker 1: the basis of how low scoring the game was at

518
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Speaker 1: that point, the fact that the Vikings defense did play

519
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Speaker 1: a very representative game, probably a game good enough to

520
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: win until things got out of hand late. But I

521
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Speaker 1: go for it and I run. It's not it's just

522
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Speaker 1: not that difficult, and I would rather do that than

523
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Speaker 1: kick the three. I think the least desirable option is

524
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Speaker 1: to do is to play, to call the play that

525
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Speaker 1: Koc invariably wants to call because he wants to flex

526
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Speaker 1: and he wants to justify what all his work that

527
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: he plans that's based on what he sees what kind

528
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Speaker 1: of defense they're going to be in at a moment

529
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Speaker 1: like that, Which sounds good in theory if you're interested

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Speaker 1: in flexing, But it doesn't sound like a coach who's

531
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Speaker 1: got a very good handle on the condition of his

532
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Speaker 1: football team and who he had a quarterback at that moment.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's mind boggling to me that

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Speaker 1: there's that big of an inability to understand that. Now,

535
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Speaker 1: could they have been stopped handing them all off on

536
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Speaker 1: fourth and one, Yes, the answers, yes, there's no guarantee

537
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Speaker 1: they were gonna they're gonna make it on the fourth

538
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Speaker 1: and what. It doesn't always happen, but the and and look,

539
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Speaker 1: there was a breakdown in terms of the blocking on

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Speaker 1: that play on the on the roll to the right.

541
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Speaker 1: You could say, if you're kocit, well, if it's blocked correctly,

542
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Speaker 1: then he's got time and the receivers open. But I'm

543
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Speaker 1: still going to say, when you factor in who he

544
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Speaker 1: had out there, and his strength is not mobility, I

545
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Speaker 1: don't even think it come close to calling it. But

546
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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that he did. And I will tell

547
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Speaker 1: you quite honestly, I will not be surprised if under

548
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Speaker 1: the same circumstance, no matter what he said today, he

549
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: did it again, because in the end, I just don't

550
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: think he can help himself in that sense. I think

551
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: it's something that we've talked about for years to varying degrees,

552
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: and I think we're seeing it play out worse this

553
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: year because he doesn't have a good enough passing game

554
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: for people to kind of forget about it. Yeah, but

555
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: look at that. Did you see that throw for twenty

556
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: seven yards? So the notion that's suddenly now he has

557
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: found religion on this subject, I find I'm rather skeptical,

558
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: rather dubious about that at this point, let me get

559
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: to a text also that came in. Haven't heard anything

560
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: about the receiver's performance. That's Craig who listens from Boston.

561
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: It's because I'm not as willing to go as far

562
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: as a lot of other people regarding the receiver's performance.

563
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm really not. I do know the Addison ball over

564
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: the middle earlier was a catch that is makeable. I

565
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: don't think it was as easy a catch as people

566
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Speaker 1: are suggesting. And I'll say the same thing I said

567
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Speaker 1: when McCarthy was throwing inaccurately. In my view, seventy five

568
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: percent of this is quarterback inaccuracy. Does the offensive I

569
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: mean in all honestly, I would say the offensive line.

570
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: There should be more discussion about the line than the

571
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Speaker 1: wide receivers. But I get what happens. One drop and

572
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: we get fixated. Two drops, we lose our minds and

573
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: we act like no team ever has had any body

574
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: drop a pass over the course of a game. But

575
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: you can't possibly have watched that game and seen how

576
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: many inaccurate throws by Brozmer behind people, in front of people,

577
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: over people, over people's head and think that that was

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver problem. I don't think it was a

579
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver problem at all compared to a quarterback issue. Now,

580
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: there was the one pass. The TV analyst guy did

581
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: a good job of saying, there was one Brozmer pass

582
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Speaker 1: over the middle that he said basically shouldn't have been

583
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Speaker 1: thrown because of the depth of the linebackers. In other words,

584
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Speaker 1: it made it impossible. The idea of threading it over

585
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Speaker 1: the first line of defense's head and then in front

586
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Speaker 1: of the second line of defense was almost going to

587
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Speaker 1: be impossible for Peyton Manning and his prime let alone

588
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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback who's out there on a road trip

589
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: playing for the first time in a game that matters.

590
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Speaker 1: So there's a combination of things. But I I just

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Speaker 1: I didn't buy it when it was with JJ mccar rothy,

592
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Speaker 1: and I don't buy it with Brosmer either. And you know,

593
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: we've got, like I said, there's some mc bobo's who

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at this, but I think they're kind

595
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: of enjoying the misery for Vikings from Fightings fans today

596
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: because they view it as vindication that, well, you guys

597
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: all thought the whole world was going to change. You

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00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: brought Max Brosmer in the game, and we saw the

599
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: limitations of that particular belief. But we've had one guy

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Speaker 1: earlier is like, well, you guys are ripping Brosmer like

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Speaker 1: you ripped Jj. Well, first of all, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: grade on a tougher curve in general with JJ McCarthy

603
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Speaker 1: than Max Brosmer for reasons that I think should be evident,

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Speaker 1: self evident. I mean, I don't think it should be

605
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: very difficult to understand why I would expect more from

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy than Max Brosmer. But beyond that, we've had

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Speaker 1: no difficulty just how hideous a performance it was for

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Speaker 1: Max Brosmer. It was another unprofessional quarterback performance for a

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Speaker 1: team that has had several of them this season. We

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Speaker 1: laid out the some of the fancy analytic numbers that

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: suggest that the Vikings, according to one analytic, this season,

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Speaker 1: have had two of the worst nine offensive performances in

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Speaker 1: the last for the Vikings in the last fifty years.

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Speaker 1: Two of them have both come this year, and the

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Speaker 1: one yesterday topped the list. According to this one analytic,

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Speaker 1: it was and it was it like lapped number two,

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Speaker 1: which was the first game of the nineteen eighty four season.

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Speaker 1: That was, of course, the team infamously coached by Les

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Speaker 1: Less Steckel, a disastrous one season. That was the only

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Speaker 1: season his ten lasted a one year. That's the when

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Speaker 1: Bud Grant came back, but it already retired. They brought

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Speaker 1: Bud back for one year to stabilize, and then ultimately

623
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Speaker 1: gave the job at that point to Jerry Burns as well.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't you take JJ on the Packers, wouldn't you?

625
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: If the Vikings decide which one, well, Joh, I guess

626
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I should clarify Jesson Jefferson number eighteen.

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Speaker 5: I would It'd be okay, pretty good. Thanks Carl Good.

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Speaker 5: He's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: They would never. They would never obviously trade within the

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Speaker 1: division in this case, I don't believe.

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Speaker 5: But no, it would be if it were to happen,

632
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Speaker 5: which it won't. If it were, it would have to

633
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: be a far situation where he goes to somewhere else

634
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Speaker 5: and then he comes to Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: But that's not gonna happen. A couple of good texts

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Speaker 1: coming in late. Let's do this. Let's pause here. Uh,

637
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: we had let me double check my Vikings talking points list.

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00:33:54,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: We still have one, two, three, four. That should do

639
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: us quite nicely the rest of the way and keep

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00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: the text coming as well. Lots of football conversation today.

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00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Don't forget it's our big annual Toys for Tot's appearance

642
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: at Shields in Eden Prairie tomorrow. We're very much looking

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00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: forward to that now. Originally Josh Mattelis was scheduled to

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00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: join us on location, as he did a year ago.

645
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Speaker 1: The question is whether he will change his mind on

646
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: the basis of the Bumper to Bumper curse, which is

647
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: now I guess one. I guess you could say player

648
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: deeper in that Adam Feelen is gone and we've now

649
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: had I think Guardsy and I have added up seven

650
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: players and coaches who've been unable to survive their weekly

651
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: appearances on the Bumper to Bumper program. Mike Mattelias say,

652
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, I enjoyed talking to you. I thought it

653
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: was okay, it's a good cause, but maybe not this year.

654
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: We will find out when we're on location. We hope

655
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: you'll come to see us in Eden Prairie tomorrow. All right,

656
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: let's get to another Minisota Vikings talking point. It is

657
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: worth noting who had this via ax. I don't remember

658
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: the individual who did when. The feeling announcement today is

659
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: not earth shattering because I don't think realistically he was

660
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: ever going to be a big part of the Vikings

661
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: success or failure this year. But it is a good

662
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: example of how when things turn you feel like it

663
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: all turns right, because this at the start of the

664
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: season was a feel good story. You know, you start

665
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: the season with high hopes coming off fourteen and three.

666
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: You know there's risk involved with a kid quarterback, but

667
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: the signs out of training camp are at least, you know,

668
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: relatively positive, and you've added some pieces that allegedly mean

669
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to run the ball better and

670
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: be a little bit more balanced offensively, the whole bit,

671
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: and with feeling, we've got to remember Adam Field was

672
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: one of the best receivers in Minnesota Vikings history, big

673
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: time producer, out of nowhere, right, no expectation. It's a

674
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: hell of a story, and the idea that, well, God,

675
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: what a perfect way to end it comes back here

676
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: for probably one last season, fills in here and there

677
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: every once in a while, makes a key third down

678
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: complet a reception, maybe helps out when one of the

679
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: other receivers gets hurt a little bit, and you go

680
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: you just like having around and you feel good about

681
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: the story, one of our own coming back here. And

682
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: so when it turns the other way, it turns dramatically.

683
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: So now that feel good story looks like, man, could

684
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: it have ended any worse than it's ending. He doesn't

685
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: even complete the season. He barely is a factor on

686
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: the field. He is listed as a healthy scratch for

687
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: the most recent game. Help. We thought it was a

688
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: great victory when I found out that he was going

689
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: to be our regular. I'm going, okay, he may not

690
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: be a guy who catches eighty balls this year, but

691
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: he'll make some catches and wiley veteran theory, he'll just

692
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: help us get a better understanding of what's going on

693
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: with this team. But when it goes bad, even the

694
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: field good stories go away. They transformed dramatically into the

695
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: other thing, and now got people texting, basically hammering him,

696
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: saying he should give his money back, et cetera, et cetera. Remember,

697
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: for the records, he told us he did take a

698
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: pay cut. That was the only way actually this deal

699
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: got done in the first place. So you start the season,

700
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: thinking maybe we can have a lot of nice things

701
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: about the end of the season, and even before the

702
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: end of the season, it's now in this kind of year,

703
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: you're four and eight, you're not gonna have any nice things.

704
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: And the Adam Feln story that felt so good not

705
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: that long ago now feels awful. The way it's ending.

706
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: He can't like the way it ends. And it sounds

707
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: as if, based on what the Vikings have said, he

708
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: asked to be released hoping that he could end up,

709
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, someplace else, will we land someplaces? I have

710
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't know. I have no clue whether

711
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: he's got they've got an opening in Carolina where he

712
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: did have some equity and has some success. I'm not

713
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: sure as that as it sounds, I frankly think the

714
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Vikings were also counting on injury at receiver, like you

715
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: count on injury at every other position where you go, Okay,

716
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: of course you see him to get nicked up. There's

717
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a hamstring, there's gonna be something that takes place,

718
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: and then we got a guy we can kind of

719
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: plug in there, and none of that took place. Maybe

720
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: you can't go home again, as the I think the

721
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: oacliche is you can go home again, maybe you can't,

722
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: or in his case, it certainly is not ending the

723
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: way here that he wanted it to end, that his

724
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: family wanted to end. Remember week ago, he was just

725
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: telling us this whole family for the first time went

726
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: to Green Bay to watch that game, and so their

727
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: intent was this was going to be kind of an

728
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: emotional so long year. We're going to celebrate having a

729
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: second chance to come back here. And who extolled the

730
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: virtues maybe too much of JJ McCarthy this whole off

731
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: season and with us Adam feeling worked with him a

732
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: couple you know, a couple of often in two last

733
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: off seasons, et cetera, and at least to this point,

734
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: none of that has worked out particularly Well, let's get

735
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: to a we got, as I mentioned, a bunch of

736
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: vikings talking points we have not yet explored. Well, I

737
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: call this one the ultimate insult. We'll play it and

738
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: explain it. Presently only four.

739
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 6: Man rush pocket still collapses and a sack for DeMarcus Lawrence,

740
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 6: making Max Grosmer Phil his presence the last couple of possessions.

741
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, we sound like a broken record. But

742
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 7: it's just the ability to rush with four and then

743
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 7: they've got seven guys in coverage.

744
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: You're in third and a mile, you're.

745
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 7: Trying to push the ball past the sticks, and just

746
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 7: their ability to generate pressure on the quarterback without adding

747
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 7: a fifth or.

748
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: Sixth rusher is just very unique in the NFL.

749
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 7: And be honest, I'm a little surprised Seattle didn't take

750
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 7: a time out.

751
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: I've got all three. Yeah, I'm not sure.

752
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 7: Why they didn't take a time out after that sack. Instead,

753
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 7: Minnesota's gonna run a ton of time off here.

754
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 6: Number of minutes ago, all three timeouts for the Seahawks,

755
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 6: who have not done anything offensively.

756
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 8: The lone touchdown was scored by the defense and use

757
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 8: Zach charbonnay conservatively you're right up the gut, but gets

758
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 8: nine and the clock continues to wind carbon powering forward

759
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 8: and getting the ink down by Blake Cashman spot him

760
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 8: right at the marker twenty four seconds.

761
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Still have not used the timeout, and now they will.

762
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 7: This is yes, huh so think they sacked Rosmers a

763
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 7: minute forty with like a minute forty, They just took

764
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 7: their first time out with twenty three seconds left. They

765
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 7: got a chance here to go down, score a touchdown,

766
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 7: get the ball back to start the second half, and

767
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 7: by the time Minnesota's offense that hasn't shown they can

768
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 7: do a whole lot, possesses the ball again.

769
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: It'd be twenty to nothing, twenty four to nothing.

770
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 7: So a conservative approach, to say the least, an heasy.

771
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Fuld goloks out from here.

772
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 6: Pressure coming from the Vikings and Harrison Smith this time

773
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 6: continues the volleyball match on evaded off of the edge

774
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 6: right there to just spike it into the ground.

775
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: Listen, we are You're not gonna find a bigger Mike

776
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 7: McDonald fan than the two guys sitting in this booth.

777
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 7: And we could go on and on about the job

778
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 7: he's done, call it two years here in Seattle, the

779
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 7: job he did previously in Baltimore. I just you have

780
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 7: the game, You're at home, a struggle Minnesota offense, you

781
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 7: force the sack, you're going to now go into halftime

782
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 7: with two remaining timeouts, and you're settling for a.

783
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: Six short field goal from Myers.

784
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 3: It is good.

785
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: So there you have it. The moral of the story is,

786
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you heard it on the play by play

787
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: call and the analysis that's the stuff that that's the

788
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: deliberate approach that gets coaches barbecued after games. You got

789
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: the timeouts, what do you need to save them? They

790
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: don't carry over the second half. But I think the

791
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: reason that the Seahawks played it as conservatively as they

792
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: did is they were utterly convinced that they weren't going

793
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: to need any touchdowns at this game. Now, that can

794
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: be dangerous, They can come back to bite you because

795
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: it all it takes is one play that goes the

796
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: other way or even something fluky, and then you got

797
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: a ball game. But it really is kind of a

798
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: back of the hand to the Vikings offensive approach, or

799
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: I guess you could say competence at this point to

800
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: have a team go as conservative as they did, and

801
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: so we'll just keep kicking field goals. They're not gonna

802
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: they're not going to score realistically, but they're sure is

803
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: hell not going to score in double digits. So we

804
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: just keep getting field goals. We're going to be fine.

805
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: It was about there was no effort to say, well,

806
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: let's try to get seven now. It was we're going

807
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: to go as slow as we can and then if

808
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: we get to their forty we'll kick a fifty five

809
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: fifty six yard field goal. Will be absolutely fine with that.

810
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: And in the end you can't argue necessarily with that

811
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: approach because ultimately it worked for them. Text from Doink

812
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: out of Highland Park. Doink Nobody talking about how off

813
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: the Vikings were on JJ being ready, fact that they

814
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: did not play them in preseason over the health risk concerns.

815
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: Health was the least of concerns looking back, Yeah, it's

816
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: easy to say this now, but one would say, now,

817
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy needs to play in every preseason game, three

818
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: quarters minimum in each of them. Now, again, we all

819
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: know why teams don't want to take that risk, especially

820
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: in his case coming off of an injury. Right, you're saying, well,

821
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: we can't. We just cannot take that risk. And they

822
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: clearly felt they saw enough to convince themselves that he's

823
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: coming along fine in practice. But if you look back

824
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: on that in retrospect, can you not say, do we

825
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: really know how good he looked? Because who are you

826
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: comparing him to? In all seriousness? I mean the backup

827
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: Sam Howe. The Vikings ultimately were so terrified by the

828
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: traded him away and then went out and added Carson Wentz.

829
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: They may have liked what they saw of Brosmur as

830
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: a as a third option or a guy, you know,

831
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: maybe one of those guys you keep around the practice

832
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: squad and see if he develops into something. But there

833
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: was no real competition in campings. There was no one

834
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: else who's wowing. You know, we hear all the time,

835
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: we heard it. I said this earlier in the show,

836
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: early in the TV broadcast. What were they saying about

837
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Brosmer before it turned back? Ball didn't even drop practice

838
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: this week. That's what they're saying out of TCO. It's like,

839
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Don't insault people's intelligence with that

840
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: nonsense because it may or may not be true, And

841
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: even if it's true, we now know it means nothing. Right.

842
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: We know that that's just the idea that you can

843
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: get a sense from practice that the ball never touched

844
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: the ground, That your quarterbacks find to go to Seattle

845
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: and to be a professional is preposterous on its face.

846
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: So stop, I would say, across the board, with with

847
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy and with Brozmer, whoever else we might use

848
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position rest of the season, stop trying

849
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: to burnish their image just go about the business of

850
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: preparing these guys as well as you can, and then

851
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: let's just see if you can, you know, piece together

852
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: two or three drives. Just make it simple. Go at

853
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: it pretty much that way as far as I'm concerned.

854
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of Max Brosmer, I call this talking point JJ

855
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: without the EyeBlack.

856
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: It's fourth and one snap. Rosner rolls out to the right.

857
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: He's in trouble. He's gonna pull the ball up. Hennet's

858
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: pissed up.

859
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 9: Awful decision by Max Brosner, and this is going to

860
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 9: be a defensive touchdown for the Seattle Seahawks. It's Ernest

861
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 9: Jones top four put the first.

862
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: Touchdown of his career, and Seattle has taken a nine

863
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: zero lead. Max Brozner to the field, decided to underhand

864
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: it to absolutely nobody accept Ernest Jones, and he's gonna

865
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 4: go the distance for the first touchdown of the game.

866
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 4: Seattle has taken a nine zero lead. It'll be a

867
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: pick six up right around eighty five yards nineteen zero

868
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: Seattle a minute ten in counting to go. On the

869
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 4: third quarter, first and ten from the Seattle forty five,

870
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 4: Max Brozner play action straight drump good protection, throws over

871
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: the middle, intercepted the over through Jalen Naylor, and the

872
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks have picked off Max Brozmer at the twenty

873
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: one yard line. It's Kobe Bryant, fourth year from Cincinnati,

874
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: with his third pick this season and Seattle as a

875
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: nineteen zero lead, and it gets the ball Aaron Jones

876
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: questionable to return save your Scott to the left of Brosner,

877
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: goes back to pass.

878
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw over the middle.

879
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: It bounces off the Viking and or Seahawk and is

880
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 4: intercepted by Ernest Jones, B four, having the day of

881
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: his life.

882
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: That's his second interception. One went to the end zone.

883
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 4: Three picks for Max Rosmer and se analyst turned over

884
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings with a.

885
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: Nineteen zero league.

886
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: Rosemer second and six from the Seattle twenty eight four

887
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: men rush Rosmer Rose to Addison and it's intercepted by

888
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 4: Rieke Wollen. And here he comes fifteen twenty heads to

889
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: the right, shakes the tackle of Bill Froze at the

890
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: thirty heads to the center. Now he dropped it and

891
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: it's up for grabs up the thirty seven yard line.

892
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: Goodness so I mean, I think the Vikings they covered it,

893
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: Yes they did, so they're gonna have it first and

894
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: ten from their own thirty seven in serendipitous fashion.

895
00:49:53,120 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: Wow, you really can't make it up. Four interceptions starting

896
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: with the one that was was the kind of play that,

897
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: as I told guards the earlier and mentioned that, you

898
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: you kind of you turn your head away and you

899
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: WinCE and you go, my god, that's not professional. How

900
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: many times could you, in all honesty, say yell at

901
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: your TV screen or whisper it, my god, that's not professional?

902
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: Way too many this season for this club, especially regarding

903
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Did Carson wentz Ever have his surgery, because

904
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: if he did, I think he did. If he did,

905
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: I think even during his rehab period, he might be

906
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: a better choice than what we have going on right

907
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: now at the position it's It was, I think worse

908
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: than any of us could have imagine. It was worse

909
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: that I thought it was going to be. Again, I

910
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: didn't think that Brozmer was going to lead us to

911
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: victory and throw for four hundred yards and three touchdowns.

912
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: But that.

913
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Decision under duress, put there by the way by his

914
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: head coach. That play is one hundred in my opinion,

915
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on the head coach, especially given the

916
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: lack of mobility of the quarterback you're asking to make

917
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: a mobile play. But regardless if the Max Brozberg, the

918
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: one attraction to him, the one calling card is he

919
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything stupid. That was about his lame brained

920
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: a decision, a panic decision. As you will see, you

921
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: end up blindly tossing the ball underhand to avoid the sack.

922
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing about that play that says Max brozmers cool.

923
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: He may not have all the physical skills of a

924
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of the quarterbacks who were drafted, but he's cool

925
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: as a cucumber, and he knows when you fight for

926
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: another day, you take the sack, you kick the field goal. Well,

927
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: actually they would, they would have to kick the field

928
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: goal without going for it, but you get my point.

929
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: It was and it was in this case only one

930
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: of of four. I'll have to double check his his

931
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: QBR was his QBR. I think his QBR this week

932
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: was had to have been worse than JJ's last week,

933
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: but we'll double check that. Bottom line is they're both

934
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: Their QBR numbers are so far off the off the board,

935
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: so far below pretty much everybody else. They're in of

936
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: themselves rather historic. It is astonishing that this is what

937
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: the Mission Vikings have been left with in twenty twenty five,

938
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: a season in which they had as possibilities, remember Sam Darnold,

939
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, and the bloodied Aaron Rodgers, all at least

940
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: in the mix, all at least possible. There is a

941
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory going around. Have you heard this one? The

942
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: one of the latest conspiracy theories is that secretly the

943
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: head coach encouraged JJ McCarthy to not be available, even

944
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: though he was in concussion protocol, because deep down he

945
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: might have had a suspicion that as much as many

946
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: of the nice things he said about Max going in

947
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: to the game, there's a very good chance that he

948
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: was going to struggle to such a degree that the

949
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: folks who've been clamoring for Max Brosmer were going to

950
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: have to return and withdraw to their Brosmer brownstones and

951
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: very quietly say I'm sorry, I mentioned it right, because

952
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, and this is unfair

953
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: to evaluate Brozmer forever on the basis of this one game,

954
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: as nightmarish as it was, But I do think it

955
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: was a level of performance that even has the most

956
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: devoted of Brozmer fans saying Okay, well maybe maybe someday,

957
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: but not right now. And I'm sure as hell can't

958
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: crow about how he's going to show the world the

959
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: error of the ways of being as patient as the

960
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: fightings had been with JJ McCarthy to this point.

961
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: Last week, JJ McCarthy QBR, Okay, that's what I was

962
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 5: looking for.

963
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: Sixteen point four. That's like, that's that's otherworldly bad.

964
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 5: Just wait, okay, Max Prosmer this week, yeah, five point six,

965
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 5: QBR five point six.

966
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: Somebody had a stat that if the Vikings on every

967
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: pass play had just spiked it every time, they still

968
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: would have had a higher quarterback rating than they did

969
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: in this game. From Max Brosmer.

970
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 5: If you're into the passer rating, it's more similar JJ

971
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 5: last week thirty four point two, Max thirty two point eight.

972
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, very similar, and yeah, very bad. That's that's we're

973
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: a long way from where we were supposed to be

974
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: fourteen and three last year that didn't end well. And

975
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: by the way, as I mentioned earlier, you don't I

976
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: didn't come away from that game the single game at

977
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: least gone Sam Donald. Man, they did a good job

978
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: on Donald. I thought Donald looked very mortal. I thought

979
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: he looked a little flustered. Now he didn't make any

980
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: hugel unders, although he did get stripsacked once if I'm

981
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: not mistaken. But you can't, even as if your a

982
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 1: Viking fan, enjoy that peace of mind to say, well,

983
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: at least I don't have to hear for a week

984
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: how we didn't need Sam Donald. It's hard to spend

985
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: that much time on that given the fact that you

986
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: lost twenty six. Nothing got shut out for the first

987
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 1: time in forever.

988
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 5: Sam Donald QBR yesterday. Yeah, eighteen point three. Yeah, that's

989
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 5: not very good either. It's no, that's it. Their offense

990
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 5: was not. The Vikings defense finally played well enough to

991
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 5: win the game on the road. I honestly do believe

992
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 5: that if you have anything going offensively at all, and

993
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 5: by doing so also, that would have put a little

994
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 5: bit more pressure in the fourth quarter on Sam Donald.

995
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 5: But by the time they ended up getting their touchdown,

996
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 5: it was all loosey goosey in the game was pretty

997
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 5: much over at that point. Top of the hour pause

998
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 5: more NFL conversation. Maybe not all of it related to

999
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 5: the Vikings.

1000
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: We've got a bonus Vikings talking point that might add

1001
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,600
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1002
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,040
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1003
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,280
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1004
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,080
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1005
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,480
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1008
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1009
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1010
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1011
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: Lots of good texts coming in late on kind of

1012
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: a post mortem Monday. We've had a few of those, right.

1013
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: Vikings have fallen out to four and eight this season.

1014
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: It's at Washington coming in this week. Do we know

1015
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: if they're going to have their starting quarterback? They had

1016
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: a They're involved in a very dramatic finish in overtime,

1017
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: ultimately losing to the Denver Broncos. I think a game

1018
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: that I was played in Washington or the Washington area.

1019
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: I've not heard what the status of the QB or

1020
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: what the quarterback situation is for Washington for next week.

1021
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned a Vikings talking point that's really not a

1022
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: Vikings talking point at all, but I think is worthy

1023
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: of discussion. In fact, we entered into some of this

1024
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: conversation on Sunday sermons. We call this our bonus b

1025
00:58:43,800 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: m I talking point. Let's listen. Eventually you heard the

1026
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: voice of Ben Johnson after he had removed his shirt

1027
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: after the Chicago Bears knocked off the Philadelphia Eagles, that

1028
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: was in the visiting locker room in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He

1029
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,959
Speaker 1: I think maybe solve the BMI who's got the best

1030
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: BMI in the division mystery with what he exposed. Why

1031
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: is it apropos today? What's what's the relevance to the

1032
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: current condition of the Minnesota Vikings. He's a coach who

1033
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: respects the ground game, who relishes the ground game, who

1034
00:59:53,040 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: doesn't really have to finesse the ground game or explain

1035
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: himself for why he didn't run the ball. He relishes

1036
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: running the ball. Bears ran for almost three hundred yards

1037
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: in that game. Now, it's interesting even the Ben Johnson's

1038
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: of the world can have some regrets. I think one

1039
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: of the close room after the game was I probably

1040
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: should have called more running plays than we did. I

1041
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: think the Bears through thirty two passes, and he said,

1042
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: based on how well we were running, that's probably too many.

1043
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: But he's got a proven track record going back to

1044
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: his time with the Lions and now his first season

1045
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: with the Bears, of believing in the soundness of handing

1046
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: the ball off. You could say, well, their offensive line

1047
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: is better suited to that. Guess what. They had to

1048
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: rebuild their offensive line similar to what the Vikings allegedly

1049
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: did this offseason, and maybe they got people who are

1050
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: a little bit better at the ground game. I'm not sure,

1051
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: but it was a not so subtle reminder of the

1052
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: contrast between here and there regarding the ground game and

1053
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: respecting it and not having to look back and go, yeah,

1054
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: fourth and one. Given the circumstance, she probably should have

1055
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: handed the ball off. By the way, we keep hearing, well,

1056
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: all the Vikings were averaging with that point was one

1057
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: yard a game. I don't even know if that's one

1058
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: yard carry. I don't even know if that's true, but

1059
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: that's all you needed was one yard. It's fourth and one.

1060
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: In that situation, you only needed the single yard, and

1061
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: it's the old deal of then you could live to

1062
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: I guess tell the tale for another series of downs.

1063
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: It's about Adam Felin told us as recently as a

1064
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: week ago before he became a former contributor weekly contributor

1065
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: to the Bumper to Bumper Show. We just need more

1066
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: plays offensively. Whatever we want to do, whatever we want

1067
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: to fashion, whatever identity we want to carve out. We

1068
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: really haven't had a chance to do that because we're

1069
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: not in the field enough. You know, how you stay

1070
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: on the field. It's not always throwing thirty two yards

1071
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,959
Speaker 1: down field. It's just getting the two yards on third

1072
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: and two, handing the ball off, pitching it, swinging a pass,

1073
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: wherever you want to do it. It could be pretty simple,

1074
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: but it can be pretty important for sure. Some interesting

1075
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: texts are coming in, including this one, Don't forget Knowledge.

1076
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: They let cousins Darnold Rogers and Daniel Jones walk. They

1077
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: also passed on bow Nicks in the draft. I don't

1078
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: know what to make of bow Nicks. Denver's record is impressive.

1079
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: I think that team is built largely on defense. When

1080
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: you look up where bow Knicks ranks, either stat either

1081
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: the old fashioned quarterback rating, maybe both how high up

1082
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: and also how high up he ranks ranks in terms

1083
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: of the ESPN QBR. Now, remember this is Nicks's second year, right,

1084
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: he played a lot last year. What I will grant

1085
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: is I was certainly in the group that said, ain't

1086
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: nobody liking Bo Knicks over JJ McCarthy in that draft?

1087
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: And what can we say about Nick so far? Well,

1088
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: two things. He's been available, played in a lot of games,

1089
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: and I don't believe I think it's pretty fair to

1090
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: see he hasn't had the transformational lows that JJ McCarthy

1091
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: has had in his first season. I don't even think

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: bow Knicks had as much of that a year ago.

1093
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,959
Speaker 1: Where do we have him in the National foota league rating?

1094
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: It might not support a loo. Bo Nicks has been solid. Yeah,

1095
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: I've got him ranked as twentieth. Okay, Yeah, So that's

1096
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: why I say I don't think I mean they're they're.

1097
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: What I do think is fair to say is he

1098
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been hideous the way JJ McCarthy has been. And

1099
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: now Max Brosmer on a consistent basis, he's not. I

1100
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: don't think he can say he's the reason they're in

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01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: the position they're in this year. I think that has

1102
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: largely to do, as I mentioned earlier, with the defense,

1103
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: so we can that's one of those second guesses we

1104
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: can argue about forever, and in all honesty and fairness,

1105
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: the only real evaluation that it's going to take years.

1106
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: It's going to take several years before we can really

1107
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: fairly compare bow Knicks as a quarterback to JJ. The

1108
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: advantage bow Knicks has is, as I said, they were

1109
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: ready to play him almost from the beginning last year.

1110
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: They threw him out there, he got time, and he

1111
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: also stayed relatively healthy, I believe. Well, he also only

1112
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: have two losses. So that's it. They wouldn't football waying

1113
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: football games as well, There's no question about that. Is

1114
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: this story true? The New Jersey home of Eagles offensive

1115
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: coordinator Kevin Patulo was vandalyzed with the eggs early Saturday morning,

1116
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: according to the Morristown Police Department. The incident of curred

1117
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: after the eagles twenty four to fifteen home loss to

1118
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: the Bears on Friday. I haven't read much or heard

1119
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: much about that. Is that true? Not sure, it's not true.

1120
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't strain credulity in Philadelphia, would it?

1121
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it would be. It's the

1122
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: one place where you're more likely to believe that this

1123
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: isn't one of those AI generated stories and is real

1124
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: than pretty much any other town in America. And by

1125
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: the way, their offense is a mess. But I watched

1126
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: that game and I thought a lot of it had

1127
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: to do with you. We're talking about execution, about you know,

1128
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: accurate throws, receivers helping out. I didn't think there was

1129
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that from the the Eagles. In fact,

1130
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles had a lot of opportunities to

1131
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: do better offensively in that game. And the qbat it

1132
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: just didn't even find didn't even okate, let alone throw

1133
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: two open receivers from time to time as well.

1134
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 5: Here's a Bonick stat that's good. He is the leader

1135
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: in the NFL in game winning drives.

1136
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: That's bad. Quarterback, that's pretty good. You can't argue with's

1137
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: that bad? No, that's not bad at all.

1138
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 5: For sure, he's top two or he's tied for first

1139
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 5: in fourth quarter comebacks.

1140
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so you sat, hey, when the crunch time is there,

1141
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: he's on well, JJ, he has had a couple fourth

1142
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: quarter comebacks. One of them was a victory, the other

1143
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: one Wasn't his fault that we didn't handle the kickoff

1144
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: returned very well? Is that his fault? Is that McCarthy's fault?

1145
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: Probably not. We still have another Vikings talking point to

1146
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: get to a couple of other notes around the National

1147
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: Football League and what I think is fast becoming one

1148
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: of the more interesting and unpredictable seasons that we have

1149
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: seen in a while. It's the bumper to bumper show

1150
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: raps brought to you by American pressure. Are we as

1151
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: a fan base prepared for what's coming? I mean we

1152
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: have some We do have some experience with lost seasons

1153
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: that have turned into lame duck situations where by this

1154
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: point you pretty much know you're not a factor in

1155
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: the postseason. I think it probably hurts more no though,

1156
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: right now, coming off fourteen and three, and with the

1157
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: hope so high on McCarthy that he could be one

1158
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks who almost from the beginning, would at

1159
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: the very least not get in the way of where

1160
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: this team might be going. I don't know, it's it's

1161
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: an interesting issue. Somebody's texting that the top three teams

1162
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: record wise right now, the Bears, Broncos, and Patriots all

1163
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: have quarterbacks from last year's draft. That does hurt probably

1164
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. And as we said, all three played

1165
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks extensively in their first year, and so he

1166
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: could get some of the kinks out, they could work

1167
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: out some of the issues. And you know, again, I

1168
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: still don't think Cale Williams is playing great, but it's

1169
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: where the Vikings are further handstrung. And as we talked

1170
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: about earlier, because they have not been able to start

1171
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: the clock on McCarthy as quick as those teams were

1172
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: able to start those quarterbacks, and sooner or later, the

1173
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: elephant in the room regarding Justin Jefferson is going to

1174
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: rear its head because, as I mentioned much earlier in

1175
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: this show, if JJ McCarthy needs as much game experience

1176
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: as it looks like he's going to to figure it out,

1177
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: you can make the argument that next year is going

1178
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: to be another sort of a transitional year in which

1179
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: you're not going to see McCarthy at his best. And

1180
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: in the eyes of Justin Jefferson, one of the best

1181
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: receivers in the league, is he gonna look at it

1182
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: as well that's another year of me and my prime

1183
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: somewhat wasted. And then at some point you say, well,

1184
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: is there even any point in his salary, even knowing

1185
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: how good he is, if we're not gonna be able

1186
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: to maximize with him. I don't know. It's one of

1187
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: the many questions moving forward. I think there's gonna be

1188
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: a lot of them this offseason, and it does probably

1189
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: in some ways make Sunday easier. It really though, couldn't

1190
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: have been crueler. We talked about this Sunday the way

1191
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: it played out before the game. We said, I bet

1192
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: you the ratings are going to be through the roof

1193
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: because the only thing Vikings can hold on to now

1194
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: is the curiosity factor. Let's say one of those Brozemers,

1195
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: guy's got a little and, as we said Sunday, if

1196
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: he's got nothing, or in this game at least he's

1197
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: got nothing, it's going to be crueler and even more

1198
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: devastating than it would have been if it had just

1199
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: been JJ McCarthy going and starting another game, because there

1200
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: were people starting to work themselves up, especially some Gopher fans,

1201
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: thinking he might want to watch this guy, he might

1202
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: surprise everybody. We even quoted some of the national folks saying,

1203
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: where on the street is He's sneaky good And he

1204
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: might be sneaky good from the beginning because of that experience,

1205
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: while we saw nothing that suggested moxie and experience on

1206
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: one of the worst quarterback decisions and plays in the

1207
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: underhand interception as you'll ever see, who is the old

1208
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: Tennessee quarterback? Is he still with him? Who is the

1209
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: Tennessee quarterback who routinely Leviss remember he had routinely made

1210
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: throws like that. He goes, what are you doing? You

1211
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: think you're a You think you're in your backyard playing

1212
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: flag football. You can't do that, And that was one

1213
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: of those you can't do that moments that unfortunately Max

1214
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: Brosmer did or is it Brosmer? I don't know. I

1215
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: did to hear both, as you said, here both a

1216
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: lot even on the broadcast. Maybe we save I think

1217
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: we have one Vikings talking point left, but maybe we

1218
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: save it. Let me see if I can find it.

1219
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: Did the bonus did the JJ, Yeah, we did. The

1220
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: we'll save the point of positivity talking point called the

1221
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: defense rests for tomorrow's program, which, by the way, as

1222
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: we said again on location are annual Toys for Tots event.

1223
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: Come and see us in Eden Prairie at the very

1224
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: fashionable Shields location. Josh mctellus's scheduled to join us on

1225
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: location at least for now. More than that later, Kevin

1226
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: Seaffert is scheduled to come to see us, and Luis

1227
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: lou Nanny will join us by phone. When's the Wild's

1228
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: next Wild's next Games of tourne You're supposed to know this, Kevin,

1229
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Falness, You're supposed to know the entire schedule. Well,

1230
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: of course, because I were you were you in for

1231
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: the world premiere season premiere.

1232
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 5: I was of Beyond the Pond. It was emotional, it

1233
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 5: was it controversial, Yeah, it always is. Well, they had

1234
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 5: John Mayasi Chehn with Pat mcletty. Gopher fans go crazy.

1235
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 5: Next game is tomorrow the Oilers on the Road.

1236
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: Is koc relieved that Max played that way less controversy.

1237
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: We did talk about this Lindwood Township guy, and I

1238
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: think the answers yes, I mean, I don't think he,

1239
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: you know, could possibly have wanted to endure the agony

1240
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: he did yesterday to his offensive reputation. But I do

1241
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: think as we talked about earlier. It it will without

1242
01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: any question quiet the bros Obos. I think even they

1243
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: will say, I'm not giving up on my guy. I

1244
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: still think he's got a chance to turn into something.

1245
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: But it's really going to be kind of foolish for

1246
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: me after that performance to say you got to keep

1247
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: throwing them out there. I think even they have been

1248
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: neutered enough, chastened enough to say, yeah, you got to

1249
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: put Macarthy back out there and see where this thing goes.

1250
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: It's just a it's a set of circumstances the quarterback

1251
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: position that I don't think any of us could possibly

1252
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: have anticipated that it could be this bad, this miserable,

1253
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: this dreadful. They didn't score yesterday, Right was the yardage total?

1254
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: I think it was for like four quarters going back

1255
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: to the second the second half of the previous game,

1256
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: weren't we like at around like forty yards or something.

1257
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just stuff that you just don't even

1258
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: associate with any offense, let alone a KOC offense. Was

1259
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: very unfortunate. Naylor was hurt in training camp Jags from hamstring. Yeah,

1260
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: we were aware injuries there. We were talking about feelin

1261
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: earlier and what I don't think the Vikings counted on

1262
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: was the durability of the wide receivers through the season.

1263
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: To this point. It's been the one position where they've

1264
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: had no injuries to speak of once the season began,

1265
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: and I think part of the reason you make the

1266
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: Feeling move is a little depth thoroughly with Addison facing

1267
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: suspension and then guess what, He's going to have some

1268
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: opportunities in and out occasionally because somebody's going to get

1269
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: nicked up, and we at least have a guy who's

1270
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: contributed in the past, maybe past his prime, but knows

1271
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: the system, he's a pro, knows how to play, and

1272
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,440
Speaker 1: none of that has happened, and Naylor has emerged, he's developed.

1273
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: So I'm not sitting here saying that Feeling should have

1274
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: played a lot more, but I think that's part of

1275
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: what worked against him being successful this year. And I

1276
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: think the quarterback disaster makes it almost impossible to evaluate

1277
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: any of the wide receivers on this team, even those

1278
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: who are much closer to the prime of their career

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Speaker 1: than Adam Thielen is at this point. Thanks as always

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Speaker 1: to our good friend Ben Lieber who joined at four

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Speaker 1: forty seven today, Johnny Athletic moved up to three point

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Speaker 1: thirty with Feelin unfortunately not with us this week, and

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Speaker 1: we've got an APB out form. If he wants to

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Speaker 1: come on one last time to say goodbye to Vikings fans,

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Speaker 1: he's more than welcome to do so at any point.

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Speaker 1: We do hope that indeed happens, but it did not

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Speaker 1: happen today. A lot of good Vikings talking points, a

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Speaker 1: lot of good texts coming in as well. Monday night

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Speaker 1: Football and the fan tonight. Is that correct? That is correct?

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Speaker 5: A little Vikings rewind and then go right in Monday

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Speaker 5: Night Football and that's New England versus is the Giants.

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Speaker 1: It is oh interesting. Speaking of speaking of young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: we wanted, we wanted Drake May and Darts back as well.

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Speaker 1: Concussion back. There you go, Thanks for watching, Thanks indeed

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Speaker 1: for listening and hopefully we will see you where we

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Speaker 1: will be tomorrow, Shields in Eden Prairie for our big

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Speaker 1: toys for Tot's Day. Please join us then, need frustrating

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Speaker 1: I