WEBVTT - 10-13-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:04.920 Here we go Monday morning, back yet at Scott's loan, 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.200 hanging with you on seven hundred w WELW and we 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.360 pick up where we left off last week, and that 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.560 is three Ohio companies, including a Cincinnati outfit, filed a 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.920 lawsuit challenging Republican Governor Mike Dewines emergency order to ban 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.560 the sale of low level intoxicating hemp products, Delta eight 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.159 infused products like edibles, gummies, and some certain seltzer. So 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.320 let me just lay the explainer out because I was 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.640 talking to people few people this weekend are like, okay, 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.640 so I can't understand what the difference is between Delta 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.640 and Dental nine and then CBD and then cannabis. Okay, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.720 So it's complicated. I'll try and make as simple as possible. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.479 So cannabis and hemp are they're related plants. They look 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.360 alike chemically, they're different, and the part that gets you 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:58.120 high is much less so in hemp. Hemp has been 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.440 legal in the United States. Cannabis is not by federal law. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.920 THC of the cannabis part and way THHD is the 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:05.720 part that gets you high. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.440 CBD doesn't basically. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.360 So hemp has a little little bit of and CBD 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.520 has a little bit of THHC in the hamp anyway. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.080 But so what they do is the products. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.120 And because of this, I don't know you call the loophole, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.959 but probact can be sold anywhere in the Buckeye State 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.759 hemp products, so the government doesn't really have jurisdiction over them. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.120 And so the end result is, hey, we've got hemp 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.319 and we've got cannabis. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.680 The THHC and the CBD. That's the difference between the two. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:35.680 The other thing you need to know you keep hearing 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.880 about delta eight and delta nine and is the chemical 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.480 compound that makes it up. So eight is generally considered 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.720 not as potent and milder than delta nine. Delta nine 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.960 is the classic weed high. Delta eight is a more 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:53.160 it's a buzz I guess, it's kind of relaxing. Maybe 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.840 not as intoxicating, certainly. And the concern is Delta eight 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.880 is synthetically produced by converting hemp derived CBD product into 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.320 a chemical process. So they extract that point three percent 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.960 out and then now you can get enough of that 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.600 to distill un concert enough to put in a product 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.280 that will allow one to become mightily intoxicated. So I 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.480 think that is like the dummies version, my version of 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.840 what's going on here, and then we'll get to the 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.079 politics of it. Because Ohio State Senator Steve Huffman is 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.760 on the show from Tip City. He's a physician and 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.000 sits in the legislature in Columbus. Steve, how are you. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.320 I'm doing well on yourself. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:32.040 I'm doing fine. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.120 It's always difficult to kind of explain complex issues like that. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.520 I struggle with it, but hopefully I think, you know, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.960 maybe nine out of ten, ninety nine out of one hundred, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.440 I think I got most of the points right. Then 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.720 that's where that's where things stand right now in Ohiot's 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.799 I hate calling it loophole because loophole is such a 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.920 loaded term, but it kind of is when it comes. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:48.320 To hamp. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:50.000 You know. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.680 So the definition of hemp is less than zero point 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.640 three percent THCHC. And to give you a reference from that, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:07.160 marijuana during woodstock was six percent THHC. Yeah, today it 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.760 has grown at about thirty five percent. So in woodstock 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.000 you're a catching a little buzz. Now you're getting stoned 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.160 with just a little bit of product. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:22.240 Yeah, which which is agricultural progress. I mean in other 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.640 areas it would celebrate. I mean, hell, Steve. And if 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:25.880 you go back to the same time period in the 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.560 nineteen fifties, you know, we get what is it, four 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.079 to six times more yield per acre for you know 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.320 what it is we grow in our fields because of technology, 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:34.800 the same thing. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:36.920 Oh no, no, I agree. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.480 I'm not complaining or anything. Yeah, yeah, you know, just 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.080 you used to get four bushes an acre. Now you're 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.560 getting twenty bushes and that's great. Yeah, so that's modern technology. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:46.400 It's technology. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.120 But as far as the HIGA, so it's kind of 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.560 a sort of a loopholder. And I understand the concern. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.880 The concern is this, you do have teenagers, younger people 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.320 even younger than teenagers, preteens, even going into you know, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.640 gas stations or carryouts, not all of them, but a 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.040 number of them, and they will be get a Delta 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.320 Eate product because there's no age requirement, and the unscrupulous 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.120 retailers have no problems selling that product to a kid. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.040 Nobody wants that. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.480 Oh, I agree, And you know you're not going to 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.080 see Kroger's or my Ers there places like that. Sell it, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.479 but usually it's the one off gas station that you know, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.279 see it kinda sees a high profit law margin. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.839 Yeah, for them, it's nothing about money. And okay, I 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.840 get in that regard. Why the governor say, hey, we've 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.239 got to do something about this. He's been complaining about 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.080 this for a while, and it's specifically aimed at these 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.600 you know, the intoxicating him products can be sold to 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.640 kids that there's no quality control and they're dangerous. But 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.120 my problem is this, Steve As, you know, what about 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.800 adults who choose to use this stuff? What about for example, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:50.440 I had on Friday morning the head of the fifty 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.200 West called him to the show because he was listening 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.280 and talk about how much money they stand to lose 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.360 because a lot of adults are going, you know what, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.640 I really like the I like the products at Deltate. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.240 I like the CBD infused products at a bar more 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.719 than I like the alcohol. And now we've got this 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.800 tremendous wave that's sweeping across Ohan the rest of the 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.840 country when it comes to adults going to in a 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.640 bar and ordering one of these products. And now we have, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.239 just because of this alleged emergency, we've shut all that down. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:18.719 That's what's problematic for me. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.640 Oh, I don't disagree with you. You know, the Senate 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.240 passed my Bill eighty six back in March that would 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.960 have solved all this problem, and the House is looking 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.279 has taken it up, but hasn't decided. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.000 What to do with it. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:42.560 And basically it said, if it's intoxicating with THHC, it 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.360 needs to go into the dispensaries and we carve out 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.359 the beverages to go to see her de liquor license 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.239 so that they can continue to be sold. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.480 That seems like an easy fix. Why didn't we do it. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:54.320 Well? 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.359 So there's two trains of thought. One put it in 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.080 the dispensaries or number two kind of like the guy 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.599 that you had on the other day, that you can 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.320 to be in any retail store, require twenty one and 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:16.440 over and still be in those stores, but have a license. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.720 Not there is no license or plan for a license, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.480 but be twenty one and over to get THC in that. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.120 Form right, Because if I'm going to a bar, I 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.240 mean fifty wests really upstanding place you go. Their kids 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.320 are welcome, their dogs are welcome, they're hell they built 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:34.400 one in Mason here where I am. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:35.000 It's gorgeous. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.160 They've got volleyball courts, they got sand for the kids 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.480 to play, and they've got alcohol. They've got the CB 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.279 drink D drinks. They got food and you know, the 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.120 margins and food and beverage. I don't have to tell you, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.200 Steve Hoffman, Senator, it's really really tight when I have 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.240 someone on from that industry, or for example, retailers that 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.479 are saying, hey, look, you know now like a quarter 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.440 of my revenue and a growing number of the revenue 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.559 is coming from these products because people are going beer 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.520 sales are down. The fifty West folks said, yeah, we're 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.760 the craft beer. Things kind of peaked right now. Now 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.200 people are like favoring how they feel after drinking a 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.280 couple CBD laced beverages as opposed to traditional alcohol, because 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.800 that's what the public wants. I don't know how you 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.920 get away with calling this is such an emergency, you've 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.960 got to shut it all down in effective medialy for 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.120 at least ninety days. And now we have people who 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.160 have invested heavily in their product and developing and selling 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.320 and the like for a market that clearly exists by adults, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.240 and now you're telling me even they can't have it, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.160 that's extreme to me. To call this an emergency is absurd. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.000 I don't disagree with you. I think the governor was 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:49.720 his way to force the people the General Assembly to 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.120 either look at eighty six and put it in the dispensaries, 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.320 or there's you know, ten to fifteen people in the 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.360 House that say we shouldn't do that, We should just 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.160 leave these people do it, but make it twenty one 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.440 and over. Maybe behind the counter, like we have other 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.680 products behind the counter so that people can't get to 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.920 it is another train of thought. Or those you know 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.560 or you know have a license to do well, they're 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.160 not gonna. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.720 They're going to cart anybody who walks in. They're not 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.880 going to sell these drinks to kids because of a loophole. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.239 Now maybe there's some again unscrupulous retailers, but we should 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.480 be using the law to go after them and allowing 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.320 the adults. Anyway, the good people to get what they 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.000 want and what business is willing to sell. And it's 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.640 a market driven economy. Obviously, this is a play by 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.439 the governor because he's willing to be the bad guy 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.120 here to say, hey, look, we're going to force the 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.680 House to do something to act on this. From what 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.640 you hear now, granted you're in a different chamber, is 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.640 there any impetus to move quickly on this as a result. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.240 Well, I think, you know, we'll see if these, you know, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.560 the temporary injunctions are out there. A lot of people 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.679 think that they will not that they will be success 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.320 successful to overturning the governor, because the governor has said, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.719 essentially for the last year and a half, this HEMP 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.800 product and with the Dela eight Della nine is really bad. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.679 We've got to do something, but I can't do it. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.640 I can't do it with an executive order. And he 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.240 says it's said that twenty five times, and now he's 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.120 doing it. And so there's a lot of people think 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:26.480 that that it'll be overturned his executive order. So but 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.280 it'll give people some emphasis to you know, to come 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.720 to the table, to be able to say, Okay, is 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.680 it twenty one and over in any store or is 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.920 it over here in the dispensaries because we've identified it 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:40.920 as intoxicating. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.040 Right, And I'll get back to the initial thing. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.320 And this is where I get what Mike DeWine is 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.320 doing and leveraging this and saying we're declaring emergency shut 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.400 it down. So there's pressure on the Assembly to get 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.959 something done and get it done in a hurry. But 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.480 at the same time, this is a problem that was 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.800 created for a long time by these same elected officials 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.200 in that there's been sizable demand for cannabis, medicinal cannabis 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.520 and then recreational cannabis. Everyone saw this coming. It was 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.880 a matter of time before we passed it. Then the legislature, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.079 after it was a grassroots effort, are going to pass 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.040 Then the legislature got involved in trying too. Well, now 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.720 we've got to regulated because this was the people I 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.840 didn't fought for the governor themselves that I don't want 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:18.480 this in my state. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:19.320 I went to Colorado. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.319 It's terrible, and the people in Colorado seem to enjoy 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.760 it because they keep voting for it. So at the 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.520 end of the day, I see this whole CBD and 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.160 the point three percent THCHC and that's just a workaround. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.200 It's synthetic marijuana. Because had we just accepted the fact 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.800 that people want to use THC products and I'm talking 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.880 about adults here, and accept that and leaned into it 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.800 we wouldn't have this whole loophole to begin with. I 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.880 don't think you know, it seems like this is a 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.760 problem created by overregulation and not being responded to the 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.640 constituents that for many, many years said what's wrong with 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:51.480 us having some pot? 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.280 I don't disagree with a lot of things you said. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.800 I think it goes back to twenty eighteen, you know, 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:05.000 the heads created in the farm bill, the ability to 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:09.439 have hemp. I had Senate Bill fifty seven in Ohio 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:14.320 that legalized hamp and it was our short sightedness. We 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.760 didn't really think about the CBD and the THHC. We 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.520 knew that it had to be under point three, but 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.080 we were thinking about industrial hamp and you were going 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.360 to grow it for clothing and straws and car parts. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.439 But since then, the you know, this market for CBDs, 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.680 when and when people say I want a full spectrum product, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.960 that means it has higher levels the THHC in it, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.600 and so we didn't really think of that. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.280 Now we have to deal with it because that's not 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.320 what the people wanted. So the people who are going 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.560 to get whether it's I mean as well, you know 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.800 Steve that you know prohibition does not work in almost 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.760 all cases. It just simply doesn't work, especially in something 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:56.360 in this fashion. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:56.559 Here. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:58.800 One of the things I hear too, and you was 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.520 a physician, Steve Fuffman can address this is that we 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.079 don't know enough about Delta eight. We don't know enough 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.160 about these derivatives, whether how healthy they are and what 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.320 the initial report, largely because you know, outside of hamp 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.480 But we'll talk about cannabis. It's been a Schedule one 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.840 narcotic for so long that no one's allowed to do 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.640 research on it. So it's hard to say, hey, we 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.480 can't do research and find out what's in it. Well 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.880 because the law, federal law prescribes it. We can't do that. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.959 What about CBD? What do we know so far about 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.959 this product that for all intensive purposes is legal despite 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.440 this this ninety day shutdown. But people do it for 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.560 all sorts of reasons. I've tried it. It worked for me, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.280 I thought for a little bit, but I guess it didn't. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.200 Some people report great success with diminished pain and focus 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.040 and things like that. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:49.280 So there's three things in marijuana, and three common things 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.520 in marijuana, and half the THC, the CBD, and another 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.840 product called esther Dill and it's the combination and the 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.080 level of the of the three. CBD is thought to 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:05.760 be safe. Again, there's no real research out there about 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:10.000 what it helps with arthritis, it helps with with anxiety. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:10.840 A lot of. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.520 People think that both of those it helps, uh, but 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.880 there's no research out there, but it's it's thought to 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:22.320 be very very safe and certainly not intoxicating with that. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.400 Yeah, and as far as long term effects have have 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.240 we been able to study that? As someone on other 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.319 country minial to do that, what do we know about it? 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.200 I don't think there's any any studies of above long 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.920 term effects on with with CBD. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.040 I do know this as a parent, I wouldn't want 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.439 my adolescent to get it. I wouldn't want my kid 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.680 using it now. If they decided when they become adults 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.080 to engage in the use of alcohol or things like this, 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.480 that's a different matter entirely. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:53.360 We we don't know. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.120 Do we have any idea what the effect might be 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.400 on kids in the developing mind? 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:04.400 We certainly know the THHC is very bad for the 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.920 developing mind. You know, mind really doesn't fully develop till 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.400 you're about twenty five, so we know that's bad. That 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.400 we have no research really on any CBD, but it's 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.240 thought to be okay, but we have no research. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.520 Yeah, I mean we know like heavy cannabis users, teenagers 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.520 use it. There's sleep problems possibly and things that persist 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:27.040 later in life. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.080 Same for pregnant women. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.120 But you know, if you're a heavy teen user or 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.040 a heavy user of anything in general normally, And this 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.360 is what I hate to see when we talk about 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.960 prohibition and bands is that, you know, we're scaring people 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.520 with a very very small percentage of folks who abuse it. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.640 Now that could be a kid, it could also be 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.880 an adult too. So you look at the extreme and say, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.480 this is why I should you should ban it because 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.800 there's sleep problems and it could cause pregnancy issues and 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.280 it could develop the problems in your kid. Okay, but 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.880 that's that's like a fraction of one percent of the users. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.960 Most people are adults just trying to either feel better 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.320 about their situation in life little chemical yoga, if you will, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.280 Steve Hoffman, or use it to alleviate pains instead of 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.200 using opioids. And we've had this now prohibition extending far 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.360 too long. I think we've got to be a little 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.560 bit more friendly When it comes this, I hope the legislature, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.360 and this would be the House, decides to get up, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.120 look at your proposal and say, all right, fine, we 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.720 can't punish businesses who have leaned into making money and 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.800 a growing number of money off of something that they 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.720 were looking the other way on just a few days ago. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.360 In order to leverage this and say we've got to 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.560 protect it's about the children. Every time someone tells me 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.040 it's about the children. As elected official, I do a 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.600 side eye to them. You know what I'm saying. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.840 I don't disagree with you. I do believe, as always, 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:45.560 I believe that Governor de Wine is well meaning. Maybe 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:50.120 we don't agree with the tactic that he took with 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.640 the emergency order, but I truly believe that everything that 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.800 he does is well meaning and protecularly for the children. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:57.040 Yeah. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.160 I don't think he's doing this because he's horribly out 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.880 of time. I just I hate the way he worded 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.200 it to sell it. I don't know why I just 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.120 would go, I'm doing this because the legislature won't do 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.160 their job. I mean, you know, you're all on the 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.280 same side of the aisle pretty much. I don't understand 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.800 why you can't call out your own people. Nonetheless, State 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.040 Senator Steve Huffman, what do you think happens next and 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.120 how soon before this thing gets resolved? 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:20.160 Uh? 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.440 You know the Speaker has said that he hopes we 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:30.320 can do something by Thanksgiving, and I think it brings 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.360 people to the table and say, you know, what's a 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.480 good compromise. The ultimate goal is to get this out 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.160 of the hand that children, make it safe with some regulation, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.240 but still keep the products on the on the street. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.760 And I think that's what you've been talking about. So 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:53.480 I think sometime here by the end of the by Thanksgiving, 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.360 I think we can work something out. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.280 He is Senator, State Senator Steve Huffman from just a 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.640 tipp city of just north of Dayton. Thanks and Senator, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.040 always appreciate your insight in your thoughtful prose on the show. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.920 Good thanks for having me you take care, take care. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.000 I appreciate it. And you know, here's the problem with this, 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.919 all this stupid political fighting. We've got the federal government 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.040 to shut down for good reasons. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.080 Godly knows why. Well we need healthcare. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.280 Well, you're subsidizing something that's if you didn't subsidize it. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.040 The exposure is like healthcare is broken, let's fix that. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.000 Let's all get to get No, we've got to shut 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.320 the government down. And now we're not going to pay soldiers. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.520 But we're gonna pay soldiers because that's a bad look 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.680 for us. And it's I don't care who you blame, 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.720 the Democrats, Republics, not blame them all. They all have 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.720 skin in the game. They're all at fault. It doesn't 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.399 matter who. We're blind so they want they wanted to 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.000 blame one side or the other. We blame the whole 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.199 system for blame us for allowing us to the thing 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.200 to occur. Now you look at the state level, something 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.600 we control a little bit better because they more locally get, 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.600 the more control you have as a voter, as a constituent, 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.520 A lot of this's going hold on just a second. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.760 The state well, legislature, both sides, and the executive branch 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.040 all controlled by Republicans and it's been that way for 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.119 a long time. And you mean to tell me that 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:11.200 you can't get this done without punishing good law abiding 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.560 god fear in tax paying moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas, 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.240 aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters. I'm not talking about 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:18.840 the kids because the many of you start going, we 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.960 got to save the children. That's how politicis children and 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.800 any about the children, it's about your political bs. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:25.399 How is it? 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.320 We have Republicans that largely can yeah, whip and control 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.439 each other. That's why they call you, you know, minority 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.199 whippings in this case the majority. And we've got to 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.800 basically shut down something that's functioning, something that men and 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.240 women enjoy with impunity and a growing number of people 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.600 are discovering is a wonderful thing and that would be 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.480 these delta E T CBD infused beverages. And we have 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.280 a whole industry that's growing. You know, we worry about 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.439 job loss and things closing, and you know, is it 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.879 over for this because a at least in the you know, 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.600 the food and beverage sector, we know that people are 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.439 demanding more of these beverages. It's literally keeping alive a 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.520 lout of our micro breweries. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:12.280 Yeah. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.960 Bobby Slattery was on the show on Friday. He called 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.679 in he's the founder of fifty Wess and said this 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.800 is saving us because right now beer sales people aren't 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.720 drinking beer like they used to. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:21.680 The craft beer. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.280 Thing now it's about the CBD infused beverages, which we're 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.040 getting a huge market sell. So the end result is 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.760 they've got all this product that they've got to sell 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.520 at a discount because they don't want to go bad 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.800 and try and cover some of their costs and then 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.600 stop making it for ninety days because the legislature, the 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.280 Republican legislature. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.080 Can't get out of there on the way. How hard 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:40.400 is it. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.439 To come up with something and go, let's fix this problem. 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.359 If you're an adult, you can buy the beverage as 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.640 long as they're selling to the retailer or a place 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:48.560 that has a liquor license. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:49.440 It's an easy fix. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.600 But instead we get, well, we got to do we 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.840 got to ban this to protect the children. That's stupid. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:20:00.000 Scott's Flowing Show seven hundred WW it's got a weird 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.040 Bengals who's there four straight yesterday? But it felt like 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.800 a better loss. Does that make any sense? It doesn't, 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.080 but it does if you're a Bengal fan. You know 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.200 what I'm talking about. More on that later in the show. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.760 Scott's Sloan Back with you on seven hundred WOLW State Centers. 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.520 Steve Huffman on a few minutes ago, kind of laying 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.600 things out where things stand with the CBD ban and 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.480 how many people does this effect. It seems like a 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.680 growing number. We're out. I was out this weekend, rolling 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:28.080 out of my knee scooter and stopped in a place 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.160 and the conversation with the bar turn It's like, yeah, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.879 we we we. Literally I've never seen any product come 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:40.239 along as the takeover as quickly as the infused selters have, So, well, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.040 what's the plan with it going away? It's like, well, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:43.200 you know, we're going to sell all the stuff we 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.040 can right now, and it's going to be a tough 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.199 couple of months until I figured this thing out. So 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.000 I feel for the retails, the producers. I mean, think 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.440 about it. You just can't wake up one day. Okay, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.720 we've got the supply. Now you got to order the 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.720 you know, there's there's things you have to order, the flavorings, 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.439 all the ingredients in there, and then you make the 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.520 product and it's got a short shelf life. It's not 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.560 like you can just hold all these barrels in reserve. 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.879 It's not like whiskey where that the longer sits at 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.600 age is it's better, It's not the case at all. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.440 So I just wonder what these these retailers and specifically 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.720 these companies that manufacture what they're going to wind up doing. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.160 Uh in the interim to I get this thing figured out, 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.440 and as you'll get the economy. You know, certainly the 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.919 statistics are much different than the fields. You don't want 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.360 to see anything going, especially something in demand like that. Hey, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.000 real quick on the on the topic Tom in Indiana 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:30.800 and the Scott Flown Show. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.679 Good morning, Good morning, How are you Scott? 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:34.400 Well, how are you doing? 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:36.160 I'm good. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:41.040 Hey, listen, your senator you just had on Now. Granted 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:42.960 I understand this is an Ohio thing that I have 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:49.399 family in Ohio. He is either very ignorant of the 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.159 real facts about research on medical marijuana and marijuana you period, 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.720 because in a two seconds search I found about forty 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.960 articles places like Yale and the CDC and the net 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.400 is due to health and all kinds of places. There 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.879 is tons of research on this. So he's either ignorant 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.639 or he's telling something. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.360 Well, a couple of different things. 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.480 You looked at marijuana, but we're talking specifically about CBD. 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.119 For a long time, marijuana. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.240 Wasn't research research on that. 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.480 Yeah, Yeah, what I'm saying is the laws related. 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.879 So what I'm saying is the long term research, and 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.959 we don't have because it's as a relatively new thing. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.760 HEMP spent around for a long time, and because of 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.240 the laws the way they are it, we don't have 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.920 as much long term data on well, for example, fight 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:32.919 products because it's a reletively new thing. And then the 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:34.000 delta eight along with that. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.560 True, but you heard him say it. They want to 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.200 put this into dispensaries. Why because the state doesn't want 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.280 any competition. It's like just like distilled spirits. You know, 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.720 you can't distill your own spirits because the government doesn't 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:49.160 want competition. They want the tax. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.760 Mom, correct, yeah you can't. You can make your own beer. 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.320 But in some areas they're actually trying to crack down. 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.640 They're trying to crack down people making their own homebrew 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.520 for crying out loud, and that's like, what are we 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.240 doing here? Is it simply to control revenue? I think 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:02.840 that I think that drives a part of this. I 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:03.159 really do. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.239 Oh, I think it drives a great part of it. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.000 You know, if you leave anything in the Bible shows, 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.760 you know, the Bible shows is the love of money 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:12.879 is the root of all people. Well, you know, I 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.880 think the government loves money, you know, because they want 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:18.960 all of ours. They don't want anybody to make any 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.000 extra without them getting their cut. 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:23.840 Yeah, that may drive I just don't see. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.440 I don't think it's it's practical for if I want 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.040 a I don't know, a seltzer to go to a 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.160 CBD place and buy it, because people aren't thinking that way. 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:34.320 It's more like, oh, I'm I'm sending here, I'm looking. 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.440 I've got all these beer products and alcohol. I may 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.040 try this flavor. It's not like you're going to go 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.320 in there deliberately. It's just and if you want to 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.879 destroy the whole industry, just do that. That's what they'll do, 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:45.919 is just have it available only in the dispensary. No 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.480 one's going to go into dispensary to buy these products 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.560 like they would in the liquor store or somewhere else. 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.560 It's just it's not done work that way. 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:53.720 Yep. 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.000 And an adult, I appreciate. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.840 Your thanks, Tom, appreciate you. 0:23:57.840 --> 0:23:59.280 You know, adults want to go in you go to 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.480 a bar cycle Hey, I can have whiskey, I can 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.440 have beer, I can have light beer. I can have 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.400 all these different I can have one with higher alcohol. 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:07.800 You go into places and they tell you what the 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:12.080 ABV is, right, you know that Kentucky barrel al that's 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.560 that they sit sell in a little glass because that 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.879 stuff potent. That's like two beers and other stuff like 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.880 mic ultra. You know, it's closer to water. I enjoyed 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.240 mic culture like your golfing or something like that. That's fine, 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:28.359 but you know it's low calorie. But it's also a 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.560 low goo alcohol by volume. It depends what you're looking 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.159 to do. I don't understand why this is such a 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.840 big deal when it comes to to THC. You know 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:39.240 the idea that you know sensa. Back in the sixties, 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.239 the weed that we had was lots less potent than 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.359 the weed today. Yeah, that's a good thing. That means 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.639 we do have technology learning how to do things like 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.120 hybrids for example, and growing and normally in every other area, 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.880 go wow, we're getting way more yield, much more yield 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.840 than we did yesterday. In America anywhere we celebrate that. 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.520 And there's still some people that we'll talk about it 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.640 is it's like it's a bad well you just well, 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.920 you can't overdose on it, you just so you'll use 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.520 less and get justice high. That seems like it's value 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.560 to me, right, it's the American way as well. If 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.040 we have a little bit of it, let's do more 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:15.160 of it. And only when it comes to these guys, 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.680 it's like a different story entirely the and not talking 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.040 about Steve, but rather the the in this case, it's 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.600 the House. And so Mike de Wine is trying to 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.760 leverage and using this power to shut everything down, to 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.560 force the UH, to force the House to do something 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.520 and act on this. And you know, again we have 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.639 I don't know why they're dragging their feet on it. 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.240 I have I would imagine if I were to guess, 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.520 it has somewhat to do with the Bible thumpers and 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.760 that contingent that that that portion of the conservative base 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.000 that don't like anything. I mean, if we're up to 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.160 them to run things, it would be not much much 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.600 different than probably what we're fighting against in the Middle East, 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.119 and that would be you just simply aren't allowed to 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:57.520 have any fun because God doesn't want that. I don't 0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.479 know who you are to interpret what God says, but 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.760 we have enough people to believe that and I don't 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.199 understand why you have to control the rest of us. 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:05.800 It seems to me, if you don't want to go 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.560 and use alcohol, you don't want to drink alcohol, you 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.320 don't want to smoke marijuana, you don't want to have 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:15.000 a CBD drink, you don't want to I don't know 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.760 where a dress that doesn't cover your ankle, whatever the 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:18.240 hell it is. 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.400 It seems like, Okay, well you do that. That good 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:20.760 for you. 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.680 I celebrate your right to do that, but don't tell 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:29.360 me what to do. And that's the problem. Busybodies generally 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.439 the problem. Busy bodies to the vote even worse of 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.919 a problem. Slowly A five point three seven four nine 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.640 seven thousand, eight hundred The Big One Talkback iHeartRadio app. 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.040 You want to fire on the show this morning. Where 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:45.199 are you on fragrances. I know there's a difference, but 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.800 I think between like old spice, I don't really consider 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:50.840 that a fragrance, like body washes and stuff. 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.000 I'm talking about perfume. 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.920 There's a fine line between smelling nice and clean and 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:03.359 clearing out a room. It's a fine line, just a 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:07.200 fine line. Perfume ads when you watch if you step 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.360 back and watch the Fragrance ads. I don't know who 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.439 they're designed to appeal. For a long time, I have 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.159 no idea. I was like, who is that appealing to? Exactly? 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.320 If you just watch the ad, because generally it's like 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:22.040 some I don't know, bony women, effeminate men laying atop 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:26.080 boulders and the beaches on fire, and. 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:28.760 I have no idea. 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.480 What what do you who's buying this stuff? I you 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:32.879 look at it, go wow, that's the stuff. For me, 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.120 it's just weird. And I guess it's because it's awfully 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:41.800 hard to articulate in the words, what something smells like, 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.720 So you do it by something that makes you go, boy, 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.720 if I use any of these products, that makes me 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:54.719 a weirdo. Yeah, countless people do. Look at the echo, 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.240 what are you doing here? So in a way, it's 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.160 kind of like the prescription drug ads. It can't I'll 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.640 tell you what it does, but the list of side 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.560 effects is as long as the ad itself. Like it's 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.960 fifteen seconds to people dancing, you know, in a square, 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.480 and they're in a food truck and they're dancing around. 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:16.040 They seem awfully happy and singing about this miracle product 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.040 that I have no idea what it's intended to cure. 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.040 But I'm supposed to ask my physician if it's right 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:20.320 for me. 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:22.800 I don't know. 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.400 Okay, I can't remember the name of this. I don't 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:26.960 know what this is. 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.160 Hey, is that you know that ad where that heavy 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:33.040 set woman's dancing around and there's a tuba player and 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.600 then there's some old guy throwing a football and they're 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.240 having a picnic that you know, you know that, you 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:38.520 know that? 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:39.440 Is that right for me? 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:41.680 I have no idea what you're talking about. Every one 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.120 of the pharmaschol lads look like that Scott. Yeah, but 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:45.600 I'm supposed to ask you if it's right for me. 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.760 They won't tell me what it does, but is it 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:53.440 right for me? It's another weird ad. But the perfume 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.560 ads are the ones that, like, I don't know why 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.840 people are is this really attracting people to go buy 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.320 this perfume? They're just so also just weird, like the 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:05.120 perfume mad people are weird people. But now we have 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:10.520 a breakthrough the fragrance industry. We have the hottest new trend. 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.080 I'm waiting for the maybe the state legislature. I know 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.040 how to ban this because people want it. Sense that 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.720 smell like food not ever. Always kind of been around, 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.720 but apparently it's like the huge thing right now. People 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:27.440 wanting to smell like vanilla or pumpkin spice. Caramel swirl 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.800 is a new scent. It's a mashup of notes that 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:35.920 remind them of Missus Butterworth's syrup. That may be okay 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.480 maybe in the winter, but I think this time of 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:42.960 year where the yellowjackets and bees are doing what they 0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.800 getting ready to winter in, maybe that's not the best, 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.560 not the best thing to wear if you're headed outside. 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.000 Dove is partnering with Crumble Cookies on a lemon glazed 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.520 body scrub, a confetti cake, a body washed Dunkin Donuts 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.000 with a vanilla sprinkled deodorant, and a blueberry cobbler, Boston 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.320 Cream mashup, Beth and Bodyworks and Milk Bar launching a 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.240 collapse together. And you know, to me is a guy 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.680 that to me is a long time. It's much more 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:13.920 appealing than the weirdo is rolling around on boulders. Yeah, 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.120 if if the idea heres, Hey, I want to smell 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.080 really good and maybe somebody knows how I smell, and 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.200 we become a get in a relationship, become attracted to 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:23.200 each other, we become a couple, become a thing. And 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.760 maybe you know that just down one whiff will get 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.480 me gone if you really wanted to do that. Just 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.320 if somebody would make a I don't know, a perfume 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.480 that smelled like a pizza or I don't know, like 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.360 b dubs or something like that like that would really 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.400 think a guy'd go, all right, she's cool. 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.000 Yeah, and like that to me sounds like okay. 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.920 It's smell you smelled delicious, Like telling someone they smelled delicious. 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.200 It is a much much better compliment, like you're getting 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.800 your attention because you smell like lilacs or something like that. 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.000 The whole perfume thing, it's like you have a little 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.880 bit you smell okay, you smell okay, but man, there's 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.000 a finally you just don't need much more to go 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:06.560 across that line, you know what I'm talking about. There 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.880 people will come in and literally will set the smoke 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.480 detectors off because they're wearing so much perfume like their 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.400 olo factory senses. I don't know what happened to you 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.040 if you're snorting acid when you're like talking about like 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.640 hydrochloric acid when you're younger. I'm not quite sure. But 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:22.280 then there's those people. I don't think I'd ever have 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.200 that problem if you smell, because that you would never 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.520 smell like too much pizza. If you had that kind 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.640 of fragrance, you could douse yourself in the whole bottle 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.440 and go. You'd walk in a run. People go, Wow, 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.480 who brought pizza? Nope, just my scent, saying at the syrup, 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:38.160 like syrup smells really good. Some of these weird. If 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:39.760 you go to like the holidays once a year. I 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:41.920 have to go to Christmas shopping. Only time I go 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:43.640 to the mall and you walk into a Dillards or 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.200 something that the perfume counter there not to hold my 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.880 breath for a good thirty forty seconds because it will 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.680 just knock me to my knees, because you have all 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.080 these competing senses and it's just too much. 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.360 It's overload. Yet I walk in the food court, I 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.719 never want to leave. It's the difference. Quick time out. 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.480 We've got news in about that ten and win a 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.840 return of the show on seven hundred WLW. I've got 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:07.760 Chris n I heist on. He's the CEO of Cincinnati 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:11.280 Vigilance Cybersecurity. I don't know if you saw it last 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.720 night after football sixty Minutes and it was think it 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.960 was Leslie's stall or whatever it was. Maybe it was 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.360 Scott Paley, I don't know, one of the sixty minutes people. 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.640 They had a great story opening story about how China 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.560 has infiltrated our critical infrastructure and the wake up call 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.120 for us, and we've been talking about this for a while, 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.680 but there were at least two hundred examples, two hundred 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:36.240 cases where the Chinese have infiltrated things like our water 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:40.920 treatment plants, our electrical grids, transportation, hospitals, talcom stuff like that. 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.840 And the information coming out is pretty sobering. And what 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.240 they're doing specifically, I mean, they're not hacking in and 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:53.560 shutting systems down. They're lying dormant. They have the access 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.480 to these systems, two hundred of them, which tells me 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:58.480 if you found two hundred, how many are out there 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:03.280 that we haven't found and they literally could shut things down. Now, 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.440 the question is where in Cincinnati. If there's two hundred 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.560 of them or more, you think there's got to be 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:14.440 one near us. I mean which small municipality is now 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.480 infiltrated by Chinese spyware that they can use against us 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.600 if they need to, and a coordinated TAC for that matter. 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.720 I mean, it's frightening as hell. It was one of 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.960 the better things I think I've seen this year relative 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.080 to a nice piece of investigative journalism. Is we've heard 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:31.560 about that, we've talked about it. Say, yah, there's a 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:33.680 couple of cases here. I mean, you know, somebody gets 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.680 in cattering health for example, just a few months ago 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:38.920 they had their issues, and it seems like every couple 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:40.760 of months there's one locally that this happens. 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.120 But that's just a bad state act. 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.560 That's that's maybe not a state act or maybe state sponsored, 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.760 but someone just trying to hold them hostage for money. 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:49.760 This is a whole different matter entirely. This is like 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:55.040 national security and literally shutting us down and our ability 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.040 to function. Imagine what it would happen if they could 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.640 shut the water supply now or poison our water because 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:04.200 there's some chemicals that treat our water in small quantities, 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:08.120 but in higher doses could be fatal and we wouldn't 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:12.279 know it until well was actually happening. Absolutely fascinatingway. Chris 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.439 na has is on that to talk about the real 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:19.520 threat here and what's next and now, if we detected 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.600 this stuff, how do we act against China? And maybe 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.320 one of the other questions here too is you know, 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.920 if China's doing that to us, are we doing that 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:33.080 to China or other countries? Any answers probably yes, probably, yes, 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.000 we'll get a time out in we'll talk to him 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.319 about this. If you didn't see it last night, it 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:40.320 certainly is compelling. And of course President Trump is making 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:44.279 the realms I think in Egypt now or is about 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.680 to to Egypt or about to arrive there, talking about 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.360 the success of the Abraham Accords and what just happened 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.000 between Palestine and Israel and can we have lasting peace? 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.360 And how long will be before the United States is 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.120 what we always do and just simply forget about them 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.160 and find something other shiny ball or tennis ball to 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.200 chase down the hall like a golden retriever with add 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.520 and ignore this and let it all fall apart. We 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.680 were really good, regardless of the administration at the time. We 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.000 have a history of doing these things. We'll get peace, 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.040 we'll fight for it, fight like dogs we'll broker, we'll 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.080 get all that good, and then we'll simply walk away, 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.320 and then it all falls. 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.800 Apart and we do it over and over and over again. 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.839 Anyway, we got to get the news, and hopefully this 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.560 is a piece that lasts much much longer than even 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.919 pragmatists like myself sick hope it lasts forever. It would 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.000 be a nice thing, wouldn't it the very least, And 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.040 even a suspension of this the killing, it's kind of 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.239 refreshing considering what's happened. 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.000 For the last two years. 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.440 We'll do news and more to follow slowly with you 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.600 on this Monday morning home of the best Bengals coverage, 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.560 seven hundred ww SINCNTI. 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.839 Want to be an American idiot. 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.480 Go building one to night. Do you see Lost on 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.600 Saturday or one on Saturday? The loss today on the Loss, 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.000 of course, is Jim Kelly Junior past Way at seventy two. 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.000 I've been fighting cancer a long time. 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.120 I was enjoyed listening to Jim along with Dan Horde 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.600 for what the last twenty years as the color analyst 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:13.319 for the UC Bearcats, and just so sad to hear 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.040 because he's such a good guy. But our thoughts in 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:16.880 pairs with that, Jim and his family, everyone in the 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:21.240 Bearcat family as well. Sloane here on seven hundred WLW. 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.959 If you watch the Bengals last night, lose, but lose 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.160 in a better way. Typically what you dose you hang 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.520 on for a minute before you cut over to NBC 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:35.160 and watch our boy talk about well last night's gale. 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.200 I didn't say I watched the whole thing in Kansas 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:42.880 City wind up winning last night, But you watch sixty 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.600 minutes on CBS and you always catch like the first 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.319 couple of minutes. I thought last night they had a 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.720 fascinating story on about China our front of me. China 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.759 has infiltrated some two hundred critical infrastructure operations in the US. 0:36:55.760 --> 0:37:01.000 Water treatment plants, electrical grids, transportation, hospitals, telecommunications. Pretty scary 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.319 stuff that the incursions, these intrusions have been going on 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.920 for a while now and we haven't done anything about it. 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.680 Why because we're getting intel on what the Chinese may 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.400 or may not do as they can control some of 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.319 our critical infrastructure. We've talked about this before, but I 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.319 think when you start to hear two hundred or more 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:24.360 facilities in America could be under Chinese control in a 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.399 couple of keystrokes. That is a huge wake up call, 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.120 going what if they're doing this on sixty minutes? We 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:31.840 know the government's known about it for a while, and 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.200 we're allowing this to continue. And what happens in the 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.960 future on that is that Chris naiheis. Chris is the 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.400 CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity here in Cincinnati. Chris, welcome back, 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:41.759 are you. 0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:43.399 Hiks, Scott. 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:44.000 I'm doing great. 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.279 I'm well un till I saw this thing last night 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.399 after football for the Bengals loss. I'm like, well, wait, 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.719 what's going on here? So the idea here is that 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.040 China is lying dormant in two hundred these things. And 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:58.319 I think it was like a small some small town 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.319 in Massachusets. I forget where that it turned out. The 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:04.279 FBI shows up and tells the operator, the guy who's 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.120 in charge of it, Hey, listen, the Chinese have taken 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.160 control of your facility. You don't know that, but the 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.239 Chinese have digital control of your facility. So we know 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.840 that everything now is plug and play and it's the 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.120 Internet of things, and everything is controlled remotely and electronics. 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.400 So before we branch off into what they're doing and 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.919 how they're doing it. A water treatment plant, what could 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.880 go wrong if the computers are under control of the 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:27.239 Chinese and a water treatment. 0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:32.120 Plant right sis the Littleton, Massachusetts, and a lot can 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.400 go wrong. Actually, I mean inside these water treatment plants, 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.959 you have different vats of chemicals. Those chemicals are mixed 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.800 together in different varying levels. You have fluoride, you have 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.920 all kinds of different things in there, chlorine. Those are 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:47.640 mixed together very precisely to make sure that the water 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.120 that we drank is clean, purify, it's refreshed when it 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:56.439 gets to us. If those systems, or the chemical interactions, 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.279 or even just the mounts the measurements are put into 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:03.480 water differently, it could be catastrophic. It can make our 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:07.839 water undrinkable, untenable, it could be it could make poisonous. Uh, 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.200 there's there's a lot of different things that can happen 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:12.600 inside a water treating plant. 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:13.680 And that's just a small town. 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:15.600 But imagine the massive sterea of a town of I 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.880 don't know if that ten twenty thousand people, If all 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:20.920 of a sudden, your water's poisonous, and we would know 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.000 it because they program everything to make it look like 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.279 the tests are fine. I don't know if they do 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.480 physical manual tests and how often they do that. I 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.080 don't know the inter workings of water dream and PLA 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.560 would think so that somebody's going, hey there's something with 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.239 the right but it'd be too late for some people 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:34.439 who are drinking poison water. 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:36.680 That would be way too late. 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.520 And then the problem with the two is, I mean, 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.000 if you look at the way water works. We pump 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.720 water into our water towers, that creates the water pressure 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.359 into our cities, but you'd have the entire system would 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.279 be contaminated. And you know, it just makes even if 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.680 even if no one drank it, even if the system 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.879 was contaminated, you have you have a major problem. And 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.160 to your point, you know they're doing so much automation. 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.440 Now you know all all of the chemical you know, 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.600 you know the chemical measurements, the purification, it's all it's 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.680 all automated. The testing is mostly automated. They do spot 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:09.759 checks and things like that, but there's sensors throughout the 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:15.160 entire line that determine temperature, it determines there's different chemicals. 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.719 I mean, you've even seen recently where they can see 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.920 if COVID is spiking up inside you know, different cities 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.719 because of what's coming in to waste treatment plants. So 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.840 there's there's a lot of different sensors there, but like 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.920 you said, those sensors can be modified so that that 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.439 way it gives incorrect information and then people don't know, 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:38.759 you know, the monitors aren't going to trigger off. 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.239 That's something you can make boiling water look like it's 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.040 freezing water based on what the what the sensor's on, 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:45.960 to reprogram all that stuff, and no one to know 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.759 until it's all sadly too late and you got to 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:49.360 shut them and go down and figure out what's happening. 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:53.120 And that's just in one small town in Massachusetts, and 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:55.240 then there's at least one hundred and ninety nine others 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.880 and other water treatment plants, but electrical goods, transportation, hospitals, 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:02.000 all these things I mentioned, And what's interesting about it 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:03.919 is there they said there's about two hundred that they've 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.200 identified since twenty twenty three. I suspect, like anything, the 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.160 two hundred the most obvious ones. How many more do 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:09.959 you think are out there? 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:15.160 Oh? I would say in every critical city, we work 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.840 a lot in critical infrastructure, A lot of my background 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:23.160 is in critical infrastructure, and you know, even back in 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:27.080 the early two thousands, I was working with them money 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:31.279 control systems and you could see that those systems were 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.480 trying to be attacked, and I would say that was 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.799 my wake up call. That you know, not wake up call, 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.640 but at the moment I realized how evil this could 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:43.360 be because in those situations, what we were seeing is 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:47.239 someone attacking back then our Windows ninety five systems, and 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.200 they were attacking these really old operating systems. It was, 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.480 you know, not old at the time, but these systems 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.080 were connected to these valves that could you know, from 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.239 the system, you could open a valve and it would 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.600 be a release valve. You could release ammonia, and ammonia 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.520 actually can melt people's lungs. So you know, when I 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:05.960 saw that happen, like whoa wait a second. And that's 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.400 what really made me get into this industry because for me, 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.879 it's about making sure that we protect the United States right, 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.160 and one of the things we have to be really 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:16.879 aware of is that we're not doing a great job 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.040 of it because they're everywhere so well. 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.920 The problem is this right we have decentralize unlike China, 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:25.440 everything's centralized in China. Here it's decentralized. So you've got 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.000 small municipalities, and I'm guessing that a lot of these 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.880 two hundred chris are small municipalities that don't have the budget. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.000 And you know, fifty grand to them may not be 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:35.879 a lot to the state of Ohio or the United 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.000 States of America, but fifty grand to a small community 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:40.880 is a lot of money. That's what it costs us 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:45.080 one small town to redo all their infrastructure to essentially 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.239 make what the Chinese did moot. And on top of that, 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.480 you know, paying for new equipment and getting taxpayers to 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.120 put the money for the latest and greatest servers and 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.840 technology isn't always an easy sell. People don't make that 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.000 connection until while it's too late. We don't want to 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:02.759 spend that time. Why are we spending more money. We 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.840 just updated these computers and our systems have been updated, 0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.400 and we don't need to do that anywhere. Why are 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.279 we spending so much on people like, for example, the 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.640 contract with vigil and cybersecurity. 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.160 I mean, that's a huge cost item right there, and. 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.640 So we tend to cut away all of that help 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.280 and all those people in safety Net and then something 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:21.800 like this happens and we want more of it. 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:22.120 Right. 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.480 Well, see, here's the problem is that i'll and I'll 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.120 make some bold statements here. You know, we talked about 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:33.600 before you got to wonder you know why. You know, 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.200 like the average time it takes to detect the threat. 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.120 Un Bising comes up with the report every year. It's 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.279 a great report, but the average time it takes the 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:44.560 detective threat today someone comes into your environment. The average 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.719 time it takes for most cybersecurity technologies, right, this is 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.560 the average, right, two and eighty seven days, right. And 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.760 so the biggest problem is that a lot of companies 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.360 are buying technology that seems to work because it's a 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.160 brand name, we're a big non name, but it doesn't 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.440 actually do what it's supposed to. And so you end 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:09.040 up with these hackers and these environments that are there forever, 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.880 and what they really want to do in any warfare 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.359 scenario is they want persistence. So what happens is these 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:19.080 attackers come in, they trigger an event so that your 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.320 security systems see it, you go do an inctant response. 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:26.160 But what they're really doing is they're embedding themselves per 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:30.359 persistence for later. While they're triggering a fake incident, right 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.400 or a real incident that you go work. The second 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:38.960 problem is that companies, you know, use their security technologies 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.440 that they use as badges, and the security companies that 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:45.000 work with them also use them as badges. So what 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.359 I mean by that is, you know, they'll put their 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.800 logos up on their website, they'll you know, the security 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.880 providers will do that. So that tells you the hacker 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.640 exactly what technology is used. And then the third thing 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:02.359 that happens, especially in these municipalities, is when they're buying things, 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:07.719 they're buying things under committee or approval with their cities municipalities, 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.200 and so those are all open meetings, and so if 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.239 I'm a Chinese threat actor, I can come in, I 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.279 can know exactly I mean, in the state of California, 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.399 you can go out. There's a law that requires them 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:22.280 to do this. It lists everything any city, every single 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.000 technology they buy was from a cyber standpoint, is on 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.920 a list, so they can an attacker can easily go 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.879 to a water treatment plant see exactly what they use, 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.440 and they just they just know how to attack them. 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.120 So the you wrap all that up, and I think 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.840 here in the United States we don't understand warfare in 0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:44.879 the private sector very well. And in China they do, 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.000 and in Russia they do. Outside US they do. We 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:53.120 just don't understand it here because we US citizens are 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:57.520 so comfortable with not interfacing with evil, right well. 0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.960 Because we are commerce right, small businesses, We're we're business people, 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.000 so we understand that we don't see that as you know, 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.120 the competition, but not in the arena that the Chinese 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.560 do because of that centralization element too. And so Chris 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.520 nineheis is here CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity, in the 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.000 sixty minutes thing last night, that there's some two hundred 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.879 plus critical infrastructure operations. We're talking electrical, we're talking water 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.800 treatment plants and the like that essentially are under Chinese control. 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:25.280 And so what they did is they've infiltrated that infrastructure 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.920 and now they're just laying dormant. They're not shutting it 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.360 down like some I don't know, if you have malware, 0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:32.200 which we've talked about before in the past, right you 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.759 shut them down cattering health for example, pay me my 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:36.640 money and I'll open everything back up. 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:37.279 Or maybe not. 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.480 Some other actor gets in there and just wants to 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.040 be disruptive and destroy things and shut it down and 0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.600 put some sort of political or anti state message on 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:48.920 whatever it might be. We've seen that this is different. 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:52.120 They're actually lying in wait. It's like a trojan horse. 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.800 They're watching what you're doing online. They're watching the systems 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.359 that you have in place and in the future if 0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.200 they need to, when they need to, when they will, 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.719 they will by doing all the stuff we talked about, 0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:04.680 and multiply that by hundreds more. And you've got real 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.200 problems here in America that they're sitting there just watching 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.040 and wait and lying dormant, and our own infrastructure and 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.000 most of us have no idea they're there. 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.600 Yeah, right, And the reason you know, you and you know, 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.880 we don't know all the details of Littleton, but you 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.080 know we spent fifty thousand dollars to rebuild his network. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.319 I would say he didn't really he may not have 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.560 actually even had to do that if he had the 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:28.320 ability to see what was what was embedded. As in 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.400 this environment, you don't have to swap out all of 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.560 your systems, but if you don't have the ability to 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.359 see what's there, then you do. You have to start 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.239 all over. But the big problem there is he may 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.440 not know how they actually got in, so he may 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.560 have just rebuilt his entire environment. And this happens with 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.560 a lot of companies. I'm not saying that Littleton did this, 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.560 but they'll rebuild their whole environment. They don't know exactly 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:49.279 how they actor got in, and then they get in 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.640 again and they just wasted all that money. Oh god, yeah, 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:55.280 you know. And yeah, right. The other thing too, Scott, 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.960 that happens and this is this happens with a lot 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.719 of our power generators. A lot of those does come 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.000 from China, right, they have a better you know, the 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:05.880 transformers things like that, they have a year and a 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:10.839 half way time to get those We've already found you know, 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:14.160 when they when those things have come in. Not we vigilant, 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:17.319 but you know particularly but you as government has found 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:21.960 that there's malware inside those systems already. Right, Uh, just 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.279 straight out, straight straight coming over. So the thing that 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.960 we we just have to be a lot more aware 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:32.239 of is that, uh, you know, we're going down a 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:35.480 path that we have all these back doors in a 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.080 critical comfrastruction. Now I'll say this, now we have that 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.759 as well, right, so you know, we do the same 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.000 thing around the world, you know, and we're doing. 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:44.799 What they're doing, right. That's so that's why I went here, 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.399 is like, well, we're doing it too, but. 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.680 It doesn't make it better, No, no, because I get 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:52.120 on our side. Yeah, I think for us to be 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.560 embedded over there, totally get it. We want to. It's 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.840 like an arms race, right who could be embedded the 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.400 most because in any case, it's whoever can hit the 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:03.279 button first, right, and and there's a couple of different 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.919 things that can take place in that. But the big 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.440 thing is to realize is that you know, this, this 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:12.480 is a this is the hidden war, and cyber warfare 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:16.000 has already happened. We're already in that, but you know, 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.040 most of us don't realize it. And in the critical 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.280 infrastructure world or even the you know, the small business, 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.879 medium sized business world in the United States, it makes 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.160 up like eighty percent of our financial stability here in 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.600 the US. And so you know, if you want to 0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:31.759 take out hospitals, go and bed yourself in hospitals. You 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:33.759 want to take out water, go and bed yourself in water. 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.280 You want to take out the financial sector, the United States, 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.400 go after small medium sized businesses that normally don't have 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:41.640 the protection they need, right, right, and then you just 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.799 took down the entire country and. 0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:46.879 You do it with some keystrokes. You don't fire one shot, 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:50.880 but you do it remotely via computer. So we had 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:54.480 two hundred of these infrastructure operations that were a compromised, right, 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.640 And now it's on sixty minutes. And I'm guessing that 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.480 the Chinese have known that We've known about this for 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:01.200 a while before it gets on sixty most sure, right, 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.680 So yeah, in the month, in the months that that's happened, 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.080 where our years even where they're exposed that and moved, 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.160 what's that? What's happening right now as we speak? Then 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:12.520 more of the same, less of the same or a 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:13.720 different same. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.279 It's more the same, yeah, I mean it's you know 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:21.600 the Yeah, it's just it just continues on and inside 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:25.719 these environments, that's where worker happens. We we found this 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:29.400 was a couple years back, we found a Chinese threacture 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:33.200 group that bounced through the United States UH entity out 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.000 to another country, right, And what they were trying to 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:37.879 make it look like is that the attack was coming 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:41.920 from the United States to that other country. So the 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.600 you know, you have that issue as well, is where 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.040 you know, China will act like Russia. Russill act like 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.680 China ran axt right like Russia. You know, you're trying 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:53.120 to really tie it back to whoever is actually really attacking, right, 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.439 But the big key here and you you mentioned as well, 0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:01.400 you mentioned kettering health. Right, we've seemed significant aspects where 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:07.239 malware is, you know, in ransomware is used to come 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.959 into an environment, create a distraction, and then allow people 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.759 to be embedded. And most, like I was saying, most 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:18.759 security technology out there is built to detect things that 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:22.600 it knows about, not to always detect things that are unknown. 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.120 So if you can attack someone embed yourself in a 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:30.080 way that isn't known yet or isn't detectable yet, you 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.960 can hide and wait. And especially if it's like a 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:38.040 you know, in a triggered thing that's based on a timer, 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.600 like maybe that connection reaches back out every month or 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:45.279 every two months. You know, it's a single ping in 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.400 the midst of millions of connections. It's really hard to find. 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.520 So you know, a lot of the ransomware or malware, 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:54.759 those are the things like if you're an organization, you've 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:59.440 had ransomware or malware just fighting that is not the 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.920 end of your back You now have to comb through 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.560 your infrastructure and find out is there a back door 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.120 that was put in during that attack, because you know, ransomware, 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:11.080 like I said, is being used a lot. Is just 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.640 that distraction now and you know and also too it's 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:16.840 funding terrorism. You know, they just put these groups do 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.239 they come in, they do ransomware, they fund terrorism, they 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.200 create a backdoor, and now they're embedded. 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:24.799 And they'll be to continue can and mouse game like this. 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.279 And in the fear, of course, is one day if 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:29.360 if we are at odds and a war with the 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.279 Chinese or whatever transpire, they they can shut down a 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.480 significant portion of of what it is we have our infrastructure. 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:38.640 And if you tease, will they be able to execute 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:42.759 that plan? I mean, I think we're already seeing some 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.000 of that. I think Colonial Pipeline was a good example 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.400 of that. You know a few years ago, and I 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:47.080 talked about that. 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:48.480 You know, there. 0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:53.160 Were you know, there's there's inside of these pipelines, there's sensors. 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:55.200 You can take over the sensors, you can heat them 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:58.920 up and explode the pipeline. You know, like I said earlier, 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:02.839 money control system, water water treatment plants, I think when 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.839 we when we see these isolated attacks, you know, quote 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:10.040 unquote isolated attacks, I think that those are just tests, right, 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.839 I think they're hey, how far can we go? Right? 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.319 I mean we and again you see those things happening 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.360 around the world. I think we do our own tests also, 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.960 you know, uh, you know, but you know, and it's 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.640 just to show each other, Hey, I'm here and I 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:29.520 can do that. But I think in the United States 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:34.600 we have to be much more careful and aware that 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.000 just putting the security technology in doesn't mean that it's 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.400 going to find what we're actually looking for. And we 0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:46.840 have to be much more educated as business owners into 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:51.040 what is really happening in our environments, especially if we 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.640 support companies like a General Electric. You know, if you're 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:55.600 a city, if you're a community, a business here in 0:53:55.640 --> 0:54:01.000 Cincinnati that supports General Electric, highly likely you're going to 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.239 get attacked before they will because they'll try to come 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.640 through you to get to them, right ye uh. You know, 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.600 Especially if you're an HVAC company or you're a you know, 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:12.200 you're you're you're you're you're building plans for them, you know, 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.839 to build out a facility or whatever. Highly likely you're 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.640 you're going to get attacked. If you are a business 0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:23.120 that creates a part for you know, a defense industry 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:27.319 or for uh parttery gamble, right, that's really critical to 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.360 their system, chances are you're going to be attacked and 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.279 and so got it. You have to be a lot 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.640 more hyper aware. You know that that what? 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:36.480 Yeah? So got it? 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:41.279 He's Chris Nihi, CEO of Cincidna based Vigilant Cybersecurity. Go 0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.319 to the CBS or sixty minutes so you can watch 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.359 this whole piece. It really is fascinated, uh in how 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:48.720 embedded the Chinese air system? Chris, all the best, Thanks again, 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:51.759 thank you, Scott all right, being well, got to get 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:53.880 the news running late. Just a few minutes away, we 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.160 got Julie age Mental Health Monday here next. If you're 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.080 a procrastinator, she's going to be talking about you and 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.960 to you. Just ahead on seven hundred WLW. 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:05.680 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.160 to help us get our heads right. 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:11.440 This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hettershire. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:17.520 I love this topic especially you heard of paralysis by analysis, 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:22.239 overthinking and overthinking and thinking and thinking and thinking and 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.880 then thinking some more and then not doing anything. How 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:28.320 do you convert that into action from a place of inaction? 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:29.040 Julie is here. 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.319 It's Mental Health Monday on the Scottslan Show on seven 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:35.279 hundred ww if she's a licensed mental health therapist here 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.120 in Cincinnati and Clifton, And welcome back. 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:38.319 How's your week? Everything good? 0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:40.399 Hey, everything's great? 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:40.840 How about you? 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.479 Everything's fine? Thank you? We overthinking things? 0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:44.680 Wait? 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:47.960 I think do most people tend to be overthinking? 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:51.640 It seems like very few people are, like Trump, for example, 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.320 watching the motorcade arrive in Egypt for the peace summit, 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.000 and there's a guy who's very decisive, right, we love 0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:58.440 him or hate him. You look at him, go, he's 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.399 gonna make a decision. He's gonna go this is it. 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.839 And even if it's the wrong decision, I'll never admit that. 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:04.560 He says, I make a decision. I'm moving on to 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:08.720 something else. Very few people have that ability, don't they? 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:10.640 Well, And I'm not sure that we would want a 0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:15.480 whole lot of people to be that that decisive, right, right? 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.520 We kind of want people who give things some thought 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:24.040 and some consideration and an appropriate amount of due diligence 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.680 and research. But there are people who tend to be 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.719 more decisive slash impulsive, and people who tend to be 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:38.600 more conscientious slash overthinkers slash anxious, And that's sort of 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.400 what we're talking about today. I tend to fall on 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.800 the more decisive impulsive end of the spectrum. 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:45.319 How about you? 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:48.000 I have no It depends on the day, depends on 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:49.759 the situation. Like there's some things I want to do, 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:51.880 it's like long term, but other stuff keep getting in 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:52.799 the way of me doing that. 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.360 Or maybe that's an excuse. I don't know. 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:55.799 I go, well, I got all this other I want 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:57.759 to do this, this and this, but I haven't done 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.839 it in a while because I've got all this other 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:02.840 stuff going on. Well, how do you categorize that? 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:06.319 Well, so, is that being too busy or is that 0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.040 getting stuck in a loop inside your head and not 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.640 moving off square one because you're thinking too. 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:12.120 Hard about it? 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:15.520 Probably probably a lot of Probably a lot of it. Like, yeah, 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.360 it's busy, but it's like I have an excuse. It's 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:19.880 cover right, is it not doing something going I don't know. 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:21.640 I should do this, but I don't know if I 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:23.880 really want to do it. And maybe that's also part 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:25.200 of it too, is just as meaning you know what, 0:57:26.040 --> 0:57:28.080 Other than saying no, it's just not right for me, 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.920 you can procrastinate more and pretend to be I'm too 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:32.960 busy to be decisive. 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:38.880 Yes, So overthinking can lead to procrastination, and procrastination can 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:42.880 partly be caused by overthinking. There are other reasons people procrastinate. 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.960 But when we're talking about overthinking, what we're really talking 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:48.600 about is people who get stuck in this loop inside 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.520 their head and have a hard time making any kind 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:55.000 of remove on a topic or in any area of 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:58.280 their life because they're thinking through all of the what ifs, 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:01.720 all of the worst case scenarios. They're doing research on 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:05.000 every possible option out there, and as we know, there 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.760 are a million billion possible options in the world for 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.920 almost anything we want. And these are people who just 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.520 get stuck and can't seem to move and get so 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.640 worked up about any decision they make and at having 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:20.280 to be perfect or go exactly right that they end 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:23.320 up not doing things that they otherwise would want to do. 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.120 Okay, so what you're saying is it's pretty common to 0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:28.680 have those things where if there's things in life, a 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.240 few things where you're like I'll just kick the cad 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.720 and then it starts to encompass everything in life. Can't 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:37.160 make a decision on like you know what flavor coffee 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.800 I want this morning, or if I'm super solid with 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:43.000 by Lodge. You can't make a decision on anything. That's 0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:43.520 a problem. 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.360 Yes, I have a client I've been working with for 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.680 a while, a couple, and one of them is stuck 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:54.080 on what they're going to tile their bathroom with. And 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.840 their bathroom has been in a state of disrepair for 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.840 weeks and weeks and weeks because she can't make up 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:02.800 her mind about what Chile to put in the bathroom. 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:04.880 She always has to look at other options and what 0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.440 if there's something better out there, and what if this 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.360 doesn't hold up as well? Or what if I get 0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.280 tired of the color, And so their bathroom has been 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:16.120 largely unusable for weeks longer than it needed to be 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.400 because she can't commit to a tile choice. 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:22.400 It's that kind of thing, easy, black and white, timeless next. 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:24.960 Exactly. 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:28.120 See, that's where your decisive, That's where I would be decisive. 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.200 That's where somebody who's prone to overthinking get stuck in 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:33.120 a loop about it needing to be the right. 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:34.439 Decision, Yeah, it's fine. 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:36.120 And not knowing what the right decision is. 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:38.240 There's no right decision. Just pick one and go with it. 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:41.680 Yeah, just to do something simple and the time white 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:43.120 and black always will be timeless. 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:43.320 You know. 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:45.960 If you want to get in like gold colored, then 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:47.760 that's that's going to be short her shelf life. But 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:49.840 black and white will always be in at some point. 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.920 So where does that come from though? Why does it happen? 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:55.680 Well, a couple of things. 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:59.080 People who are prone to anxiety and prone to be 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:03.120 more conscient tend to be overthinkers, and we understand that 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.720 that's a temperament that comes very early in life, almost 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:10.600 from birth, the tendency toward anxiety and conscientiousness. But also 1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:14.480 there have been people whose past life experiences have led 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:17.720 them to believe that making the wrong decision has really 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:23.000 awful consequences. And you know, like parents who would say regularly, 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.600 what were you thinking? Why didn't you think that through enough? 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.000 It would have gone so much better if you'd thought 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:32.840 that through. Maybe true, But also what that message is 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:35.440 is if you think hard enough, you'll find the right 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.560 decision and things won't go wrong versus Okay, so this 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:41.400 went wrong. What can you do differently next time? How 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:44.840 can you salvage this? Not about the recovery, but about 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:47.960 presenting it in the first place. So people who've had 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:51.160 life experiences that weren't really badly when they didn't think 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:53.120 things through enough tend to be. 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:57.320 Gunshy, gotcha, because there's consequences fear of failure. 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:03.160 Fear of failure exactly, lack of belief in self to 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:06.320 be able to deal with whatever consequences come their way. 1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:08.480 So one of the things that I say often is 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:10.560 I'm an adult with a cell phone and a credit card. 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:13.320 I can make almost anything happen. And you know, really, 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:17.560 I can make almost anything happen. So from my perspective, 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:22.040 if something doesn't go according to plan, I can regroup, 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:24.040 I can think, I can pivot, I can come up 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:27.560 with something else. That's my perception. But other people don't 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:30.160 necessarily have that mindset, And if they don't believe in 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.880 themselves to be able to pivot, and they haven't had 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:36.600 enough failure to learn that they actually can recover from it, 1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:40.680 the idea of failure can prevent them from taking any 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:42.280 kind of action in the first place. 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.520 Well, you just had a raw nerve there talking to 1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:48.280 friends this weekend and one of them's involved. And I 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.240 want to say the business name names here. But we 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.640 have a generation of people in the workplace and high 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:57.280 level positions there are a fear of any criticism whatsoever, 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.320 like as much as like, hey, you know you've got 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.000 the wrong name, I don't know, some sort of report, 1:02:02.040 --> 1:02:06.200 let's say, and you know, they lose their mind, like, 1:02:06.280 --> 1:02:08.200 oh my god, I've been criticized, and now they call 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:11.880 Michelle and hr is involved. I mean, I'm not exaggerating, 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:15.320 that's actually happening. And that's frightening. Like literally, you're at 1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:18.760 a job and you're meeting with people and someone your 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.080 superior says, hey, listen, you made a mistake on this. 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:21.800 Can you fix it? 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:25.920 And it turns into some sort of attack on their 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.880 big can't take criticism at all. And we've got workplaces 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:31.800 full of people like that. That's scary as hell. Not 1:02:31.880 --> 1:02:34.200 to diminish the topicking out in the weeds here, but 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:37.040 that's more common than people would think. 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:42.040 It's very common. And when you have a workplace that 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:51.760 values perfectionism over innovation, over novelty, over experimentation, over doing 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:57.040 something imperfect in a timely manner, and moving forward. Then 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:01.080 it creates and sustains this belief that everything has to 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:04.280 be exactly as expected in order for it to be good, 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:07.640 and the consequences are dire if not. And again, if 1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:11.040 you have someone or a generation of people who haven't 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.640 really been allowed to fail because they were raised by 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:18.120 helicopter parents or snowplow parents, then the idea of failure 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.960 becomes outsized to the reality of it. You know, we've 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:25.480 all screwed things up and we've all had to pivot 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:28.680 and make amends and figure it out. But the idea 1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:32.280 of failure becomes so outsized to the reality of it 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:35.640 that they get stuck in their heads on this endless 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.520 loop of I have to do more research, I have 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:39.200 to do more research, I have to read this again, 1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:40.320 I have to edit this again. 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.400 Yeah, it doesn't have to be perfect, but you got 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:43.960 to make a decision. 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:46.640 Julie how to share our licensed mental health therapist, Mental 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:50.080 Health Monday and the Scott Sloan Show. It's paralysis by analysis. 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:53.640 People will overthink and how you stop overthinking and take 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:55.920 action as what we're talking about. Okay, so we got 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:57.600 into the whys and how big it is it? How 1:03:57.600 --> 1:03:58.360 do you break the cycle. 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:01.280 Well, there are a couple things you can do. 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:02.160 There are a few things. 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:04.320 One of the things that I really like to counsel 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.760 people to do is set a time limit for when 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:09.080 you're going to make a decision. I'm going to research 1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:11.560 so to use the tile example, I'm going to research 1:04:11.640 --> 1:04:14.040 tile over the weekend, and by Monday, I'm going to 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:14.800 have a decision that. 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:15.800 Is placed in order. 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:19.280 So set yourself a time limit that you choose to 1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:23.280 adhere to that gives you some sense of urgency, gives 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:25.960 you some time to do the research and the thinking 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:29.040 that you need, but doesn't keep you stuck in that loop. 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:33.240 Another thing that can really be helpful is focusing on 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:36.880 just the next step. People who overthink tend to think 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:39.960 seventeen steps down the road. So I'll do this, and 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:41.400 then I'll do this, and then I'll go like this, 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:42.840 and then I'll go like this, and they're trying to 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:46.880 predict the outcome. Focusing on the next step. We don't 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:48.560 need to see the whole ladder. We don't need to 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:50.280 see the whole road. We just need to take the 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:53.160 next step up or down the road can be really 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:57.360 helpful too, because that is a more manageable chunk of 1:04:57.800 --> 1:05:00.600 information and a more manageable chunk of it action for 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.680 people to deal with, then the entire project. You know, 1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:06.400 the question, how do you need an elephant one bite 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:08.760 at a time. You have to just take these small 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:12.640 chunks that can be helpful too, Okay. 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:17.160 Break things down in yeah. Like the tile example is like, okay, well, 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:19.120 let's just focus on the floor tile. 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:21.200 Let's pick that and go out for it rather than 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:21.720 everything else. 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:26.320 Got it right, exactly. Another thing that happens when people 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:29.320 get into this overthinking anxiety loop is they think worst 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:32.520 case scenario and they think of all the things that 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:36.520 could go wrong. And so what we know about our 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:38.760 brains is if they try not to think of the 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:40.840 things that could go wrong. If we're wired to think 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:43.440 worst case scenario and we try not to, that doesn't 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:46.040 work very well. So what I tell my clients to 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:49.240 do is you're allowed to think of the worst case scenario, 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.560 and then you have to think of at least three 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:54.960 other things that are not the worst case scenario. So 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:58.120 go worst case first, and then broaden your thinking to 1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:03.040 think of three other possible comes that aren't that, just 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:06.000 to broaden the idea that it could be this, but 1:06:06.080 --> 1:06:08.120 it could be this, or it could be the other, 1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:12.720 or it could be this other thing. Okay, broadening that 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:13.920 scope helps. 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:14.480 Yeah. 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:16.800 So also does the fact that if you just make 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:20.000 a bunch of small decisions that then do you get 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:21.440 confidence making bigger decisions. 1:06:21.480 --> 1:06:22.040 Does it work that. 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:26.160 Way, Yes, yes it does. So you build momentum, you 1:06:26.200 --> 1:06:28.520 do something and it goes right, and you realize, oh, 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:31.200 I am a good decision maker. I can't figure this out. 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:33.920 You do something else it goes right. I can't. Or 1:06:33.960 --> 1:06:36.360 you do something and it goes wrong and you figure 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:38.440 it out and you fix it and you're like, oh, 1:06:38.640 --> 1:06:40.520 when things go wrong, it's not as bad as I 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.760 thought it was. Do you build confidence in your own 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:44.720 decision making, in your own problem solving? 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:46.760 Gotcha? Would you agree that? 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:49.280 I think for a lot of folks that overthink and 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:51.760 don't take action, which is a lot a lot of people, 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:54.560 is that you don't have to have every detail in 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:59.360 every angle completely figured out before you start a project exactly, 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:00.439 and you. 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:03.840 Can figure out some key things and then let what 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:06.880 happens happen and figure the rest of it out as 1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:09.600 you go along. And I tell people to think about 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:12.160 it not as what should I do? But what are 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.680 all the things I could do? Not how should I 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:17.240 do this? But how could I do this? Because should 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:20.240 is like a yes no, and could is a broader 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:21.280 perspective to take. 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:25.680 Yeah, it makes sense, you don't need to figure it 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:28.000 out for a start going ahead. Sure, why not go 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:30.160 with that for now? But it's easier said than done, right, 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:32.320 It's that first step is really really hard for people. 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.320 It can be really hard for people, and that's why 1:07:36.400 --> 1:07:41.960 I encourage people to micodose discomfort. Try doing some things 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:44.640 that are small that make you a little uncomfortable, that 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:47.280 move you just a skosh out of your comfort zone, 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:50.320 and see how you handle it. Try to increase your 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:55.480 tolerance for uncertainty and discomfort and messiness in your life 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:58.960 so that you can become more resilient and you can 1:07:59.280 --> 1:08:03.040 think more wrongly and you can have more options available 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:03.360 to you. 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:06.200 Yeah, but that's I guess human discomfort. 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:08.640 Yeah, well, that's against human nature right as we want 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:10.200 to be surrounded by comfort, which is the whole thing 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:12.880 with child rearing when we talk about helicopters and plot parents, 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:15.480 it's about making your life comfortable as comfortable as possible. 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:19.280 But adversity builds character, it's so true, but it also 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:22.120 prepares you to make decisions. And these are the really 1:08:22.160 --> 1:08:25.400 negative consequences of that attitude of protecting you from everything 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:27.519 and not preparing you for anything. 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:32.639 Correct. Yes, there's this thing called post traumatic growth. We've 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:35.479 all heard of post traumatic stress. There's this thing called 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:38.040 post traumatic growth where when something goes wrong. 1:08:37.880 --> 1:08:40.080 Doesn't have to be big trauma. When something goes. 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:42.920 Wrong in our lives, we can grow from that. We 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.599 can gain resilience, we can gain confidence, we can gain 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:49.639 skills or knowledge or expect You gain a lot from 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:52.720 when things go wrong. We don't just gain from when 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:55.439 things go right. In fact, some of the greatest lessons 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:58.160 most of us have learned have been when something didn't go. 1:08:58.080 --> 1:08:59.240 According to plan right. 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:00.200 She's July had what iss? 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:02.759 Youre a licensed mental health therapist from a be Connected 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:06.240 dot Care. That's let her be connected and she's out 1:09:06.240 --> 1:09:07.960 of a clift and you're going to reach out future 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:11.720 topic or concern, comment or question. Hey Julie at be 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:15.240 Connected dot Care. It's mental Health Monday with Julietge. Appreciate 1:09:15.280 --> 1:09:16.559 you and we'll talk next week. 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:18.960 Have a great a few days. We will take care. 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:22.280 Thanks all, right, stop overthinking and get off your butt 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:24.639 and start doing Stuffquit talking, start doing. I guess that's 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:27.040 the bottom line here. We'll get a news update in 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:29.160 the President is now in Egypt for the peace summit there, 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:32.280 and so far, so good in the hours that have 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:35.080 happened since the piece has been brokere we have that 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:37.400 going on a little closer to home here in Cincinnati, 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:40.599 we just learned about the passing not long ago of 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:43.759 the live of the legend himself, Jim Kelly Junior, of course, 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:46.160 Bearcat Hall of Famer passing away. I believe at the 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:49.040 age of seventy two, been battling sickness for a while. 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:53.200 But the longtime color analyst to Dan Horde's play by play, 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:56.639 he's been out for a little while anyway, but he'll 1:09:56.640 --> 1:09:59.800 be sadly missed. Jim Kelly Junior passing away today, and 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.479 our thoughts and prayers with the Kelly family and everyone 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:05.000 down on Clifton this morning. Scott's Loan show on the 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.000 Home of the Best Bangles coverage ann Home of the Cats, 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:08.559 seven hundred WWD SINCNAT. 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:10.360 Do you want to be an American? 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:14.479 Scott flowing back on seven hundred WLW Who have a 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:20.120 deal Israel. Israel and Kalestine have a peace deal. All 1:10:20.120 --> 1:10:22.760 the living hostages in Gaza been released for about two 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:26.519 thousand prisoners in Israel. Thousands of Palestinians and walked to 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:28.479 northern Gaza to try and find what happened to their 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:31.400 loved ones and their homes. And Trump addressed the Israeli 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:34.800 parliament earlier today to large cheers. Also, some protests are 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:37.880 brokering the peace deal entering two years of wards, then 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:40.320 the two years of war. He's meeting in Egypt with 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:42.160 the leaders of more than twenty countries. 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:42.760 That's what next. 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:45.320 As he takes as much as their victory lap, the 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:49.000 question is is this a lasting piece. Abdullah Hayek is 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:52.280 a Middle East analyst and consultant and is a peace 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:54.439 fellow at the Young Voices. Abdullah, welcome to the show. 1:10:54.439 --> 1:10:57.960 How are you good morning, Scott, Thank you for having me. 1:10:58.000 --> 1:10:58.639 I'm doing good. 1:10:58.680 --> 1:10:59.639 How are you well? 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:00.519 Thanks appreciate it. 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:02.880 So is this just is this the end of the 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.519 war or is this a loud cease fire and we're 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:08.240 going to pick this up in a few weeks, a 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:10.040 few months, maybe a few years. 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:15.480 Well, so far it seems that the war in Gaza 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:20.960 is indefinitely over. We've seen Trump's confidence apparent when he 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:25.320 was addressing the press aboard Air Force one en route 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:28.880 to Israel, and a reporter I believe it was Caitlin 1:11:28.960 --> 1:11:33.760 Collins from CNN asked the president, you say the war's done. 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:37.800 Nataniello says it hasn't, and it just tells her, do 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:39.040 you understand. 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:41.479 Me, it's done. It's just done. The war is done. 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:44.720 So it seems that the President is pretty adamant that 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:45.560 he wants. 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:49.040 To end the war in Gaza, and. 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:52.920 So far, with the three past ceasefire attempts. 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:54.440 Over the past two years. 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:59.800 This particular ceasefire seems to be successful because Hamas has 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:04.320 actually participated and budged and went through with at least 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:09.240 the first successful phase one of it. Thankfully, the twenty 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:12.840 living hostages are freed. Now that's the first step. The 1:12:13.360 --> 1:12:20.479 Israeli hostilities, the offensive operations, bombing, military participation in the 1:12:20.560 --> 1:12:25.240 strip have ended, and the humanitarian car door has proceeded. 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:28.760 So I think what matters now is within the next 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:32.400 few hours when Trump departs Israel and goes to Egypt 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:35.839 and meets with twenty other world leaders as you just mentioned, 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:37.800 and We'll see what the next steps will be, but 1:12:37.920 --> 1:12:38.800 so far, so good. 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:40.680 Well, the good news is you have pretty much the 1:12:40.720 --> 1:12:43.880 rest of the Middle East on board with this. The outlier, though, 1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:47.400 would be Iran as the largest state sponsored terrorist operation 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:51.640 in Iran, whether or not Hamas continues, albeit maybe in 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:53.080 a different form, but continues. 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:54.280 That's going to be up to them, isn't it. 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:56.080 Well. 1:12:56.160 --> 1:13:00.000 I doubt that Hamas will play any role in GDZ 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:04.920 the any day after this. The popularity amongst the Gazen 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:10.640 people themselves has extremely diminished. They are extremely unpopular, They 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:16.320 are unwanted. Iran has shown its cards to the region 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:21.200 that whoever seeks to shade under it really gets forsaken. 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:29.479 Hamas has been literally left to center itself. Hezbollah has 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:34.280 been destroyed by Israel without any real aid from Iran. 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:38.480 The outside regime, as we've seen in December, just crumbled 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:41.840 in a matter of eleven days, and the hoopies have 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:44.519 literally been smacked by everyone in the region, and Iran 1:13:44.560 --> 1:13:47.640 hasn't done anything. The only time Iran fights back is 1:13:47.640 --> 1:13:51.760 what it's hit itself. So I don't think that Iranian 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:54.680 influence over Hamas is going to be as it was 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:59.120 prior to October seventh, and I think the Palestinian people 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:03.120 will right now understand that really peace is just the 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.040 best way to move forward and end all of this. 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:08.200 Yeah, I just wonder if there'll be enough splinter members 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:10.559 left with a mass, maybe they reform down the line 1:14:10.560 --> 1:14:12.920 is something else, But you know, at least temporarily with 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:16.439 the near future, things look good, Abdulla Hayak, relative to 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.200 peace in that country that we've seen on and off 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:21.639 again now well longer than we've both been here. For sure, 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:25.240 how much of this as far as the trust element, 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:27.280 because that's really the big thing here, right is that 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:30.960 people are just maybe what ended this whole thing is fatigue. 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:36.519 Well, fatigue is certain. This war is the longest that 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:39.920 Israel has ever been in Israel, you know, usually goes 1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:44.120 to war for weeks or months, not for years. I 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:49.760 think trust is a two way street. If the war 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:53.240 truly wants to end, both sides need to trust each other. 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:58.360 If we see a pattern developed within this conflict, we 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:04.320 can see that every major peace deal breakthrough usually succeeds 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.920 a major war. We've seen the Camp David Accords succeed 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:11.960 the Yom Kippur war. We've seen the Also Accords succeed 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:15.240 the First Intifada. So right now, I think with this 1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:20.639 war being so destructive and you know, groundbreaking and changing 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:24.720 the landscape, I think there's an opportunity right now, with fatigue, 1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:29.559 with the determination to solve the conflict, with with everything 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:33.160 you could possibly imagine, to actually come through with a 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:36.640 peace deal that will not just end this chapter of 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:39.120 the conflict, but the whole conflict. And I think it 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:41.280 would be best with if it's stayed within the two 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:43.960 state solution in some way or the other. 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:46.120 Well, it seems like it's headed that way. We'll get 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:50.040 that in a second. But as far as initially earning 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:52.360 the trost i guess of each other, the Israelis as 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:55.360 well as Palestinian says, I would think like humanitarian aid 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:57.240 would be a big component of this. Is that if 1:15:57.240 --> 1:16:00.000 we're delivering food and we're not just the US but Israel, right, 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.200 and you have actual Israelis that and boots on the 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:05.519 ground they're delivering food and water and medical spies helping 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:08.200 them rebuild Gaza, doesn't that go a long way to 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:08.920 lasting peace. 1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:16.240 Well, it's definitely a gesture of goodwill. It's much needed, actually, 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.840 especially with the high chance of salmin that were in 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:24.640 the strip. I think that the initiative on behalf of 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:28.800 the Americans and the Israelis to commence food delivery is good, 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:33.560 but I think that it would even be a better gesture. 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:34.880 Of goodwill if both of them. 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:41.479 Participate within the reconstruction and the rehabilitation of Gaza project 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:46.200 as a whole with the broader international community. That will 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:49.439 definitely go a long way, and it will certainly show 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:52.599 that the people in Gaza that once you get rid 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:57.120 of Hamas and once you get rid of the Iranian influence, the. 1:16:57.160 --> 1:17:00.840 Aftermath is usually more rewarding and more for you. 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:04.760 So I think that would go better in developing the trust. 1:17:04.520 --> 1:17:06.920 That you were talking about, in which it would chill that. 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:09.320 The Israelis don't just come with the hammer, they come 1:17:09.360 --> 1:17:10.759 with the olive branch as well. 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:11.080 Yeah. 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:13.240 You know, if you see your enemy, if you can 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.240 see in touch and who was formula enemy and they're 1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:18.080 helping you rebuild, now, that's how you regain trust. That's 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:19.720 how you build I think, a lasting piece. But that 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:23.839 is the very very hands on, early, touchy tactile component 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:26.160 of this whole thing. The other element is you mentioned 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:30.080 Abdulla Hiak Middle East analysts and consultant is the rebuilding 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:33.880 in governance. So you mentioned a two state solution, and 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:36.200 that has always been a perilous ask, and that is okay, 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:39.080 can can we have Palestine and Israel co exist in 1:17:39.120 --> 1:17:42.080 the same land that has always been fraught with a 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:44.160 lot of problems because of how much land and where 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:46.880 and expansion and the like, And that's driven this whole 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:50.240 conflict for a long time. If you have a transitional 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:54.280 governance that leads into governing, you almost by definition, then 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:55.439 have to have a state to govern. 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:58.160 Correct. So this is the fact of two state solution. 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:02.759 To start, we have established as Ali a legitimate territory, 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:06.679 and I think countries like France were not long ago 1:18:07.200 --> 1:18:09.240 booed by us, but now it sounds like this is 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:09.760 what we're doing. 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:10.040 And I. 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:15.120 Well, Scott, it's good that you mentioned this, but within 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:18.080 that realm we just spoken, the whole thing is. 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:19.320 All over the place. Now. 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:25.880 Both Hamas and the Trump twenty point piece plan both 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:30.040 they explicitly mentioned that they will not accept the Palestinian 1:18:30.120 --> 1:18:34.720 authority to go into the Gaza strip and resume governance 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:38.639 after Hamas surrenders. Now, I think That is the major 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:44.840 point that raises one's eyebrows because Hamas only stated that 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:48.840 it will surrender the strip to a body of international 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:54.680 and independent Palestinian technocrats. Has anyone ever heard of that 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:58.559 term really successful in the Middle East? I don't think so, 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:02.320 which brings us back to are my original point, which 1:19:02.439 --> 1:19:06.080 I believe, with the same motivation and initiative we've seen 1:19:06.120 --> 1:19:06.920 in ending. 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:08.679 The war in Gaza, I think. 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:12.000 The US and the international community as a whole has 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:18.480 to lead an initiative to revitalize and decorrupt the Palestinian Authority, 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:23.439 which was designed to be the governing body of the 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:26.880 Palestinians in the wake of Oslo in nineteen ninety three. 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:29.680 They've already had a track record. 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:32.720 Of governance and for a good period of time they 1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:33.600 were successful. 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.200 Those are the guys that will really do the job 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:39.160 to help the Palestinians. 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:41.120 Well, can we trust them that? 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:44.160 I mean that there's a history of corruption, allegations and 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:45.720 failed peace talks and everything else. 1:19:45.720 --> 1:19:46.320 We're back to that. 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:50.519 You're absolutely correct, But that's what I'm saying. We need 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:54.679 to lead an initiative to rehabilitate them, to revitalize them, 1:19:55.479 --> 1:20:00.040 do something to motivate elections being happening there and the 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:04.599 Palestinians electing leaders. I know two thousand and six happened 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:08.120 and Hamas won, but the constituents that were present in 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:12.680 two thousand and six are ninety percent not going to 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:16.800 vote in this election, which is twenty years later. The 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:21.240 young generation of Palestinians have seen that the wrath of 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:24.320 Israeli military might is not something that should be dealt with, 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:27.880 as we've seen in the example with Gaza, the Palestinians 1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:30.639 would want to end the conflict peacefully. If we can 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.240 just go to polling data, if it were to emerge 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:37.080 right now, it would most certainly show that the Palestinian 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:40.679 people do not want the confrontation with Israel anymore. We're 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:45.080 seeing social media footage on the ground in Gaza that 1:20:45.280 --> 1:20:47.920 just attack Hamas more so than they attack Israel. 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:52.720 So the tide is changing in the region. You know. 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.639 As for the two states solutions, what the. 1:20:56.680 --> 1:21:00.200 Voters will be, what the. 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:02.960 Shape of the map would look like, that's all I think, 1:21:03.240 --> 1:21:09.519 very very tough to tackle. I mean, numerous presidential administrations 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:10.880 haven't been able to tackle. 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:12.320 But it's good that they keep it. 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:16.920 Within that framework because honestly, Other than that, what is 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:21.719 the solutions? What do I don't think, you know, there's 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:25.960 any other possible solution because the Israelis are not going anywhere, 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:27.120 the Palestinians are. 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:31.679 Not going anywhere. Is it going to be fulfilled. 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:35.600 Within the you know, the one state solution or a 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:38.600 three state solution where the West Bank goes back to 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.920 Jordan or the Gaza Strip goes back to Egypt. I 1:21:41.920 --> 1:21:44.680 don't think that's going to be feasible or possible. So 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:49.200 a two state solution in which both sides can guarantee 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:51.680 each other's security and peace is. 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:52.519 The best solution. 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:55.880 And how that's going to be done, I think you 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:59.719 need courage. I think you need the courage to overcome 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:03.200 the obstacles. And you know, in a nutshell, I think 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:07.280 you know, the Arab claim as foreshown in the two 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:11.040 thousand and two Arab Peace Initiative, which states that there 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:13.960 would be full recognition on behalf of the Arab world 1:22:14.560 --> 1:22:19.120 with Israel in return of Israeli withdrawal from the Palestinian 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:23.280 occupied territories. I think that's a good start, but you know, 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:26.440 the Arabs have to aman that. You know, the borders 1:22:26.479 --> 1:22:31.000 of June fourth nineteen sixty seven aren't really feasible anymore 1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:38.360 because previously there were major chunks of Palestinian cities surrounded 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:41.920 by tiny dots of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:44.280 And that's just the other way around. 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:47.640 Where you have these major Jewish Israeli settlements in the 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:51.080 West Bank that are really just surrounded by Palestinian DUTs. 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:55.920 The demographics in the West Bank have changed dramatically. So 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.360 I think that they need to get over the June 1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:02.679 fourth nighteth in sixty seven borders. They have to come 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:07.080 to an agreement over Jerusalem, and I think something can 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:10.280 be made. But the time is right now, the iron 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:13.519 is hot. It's best time to strike is now. So 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:14.040 we'll see. 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:16.599 And we also have to maintain focus, and that's something 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:18.040 I do a little that we're really bad at in 1:23:18.080 --> 1:23:20.880 the West A specifically America is well, we'll do this, 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:22.639 we'll celebrate, then we'll move on to the next thing, 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:26.240 and completely forget all the work it took to establish 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:28.000 peace in the Middle East. All these countries. We let 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.200 it fall apart. We've seen a long track record, and 1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:33.800 that whether it's a Vietnam, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:36.160 the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Cold War 1:23:36.200 --> 1:23:38.880 and the Russians the former Soviet Union, and we just 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:41.440 ignore that and go, hey, if we don't maintain democracy 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:43.400 and try to keep feeding it and caring for it 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:46.400 and nurturing and nursing it along, it'll fall apart because 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:48.520 it's fragile. We do that all the time. 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:50.600 Unfortunately. 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:55.960 So and the track record isn't just you know, with 1:23:56.040 --> 1:23:58.400 those states that you mentioned. It has been with the 1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:02.439 Palestinians over and over again, with the whole conflict. So 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:06.559 I think, you know, Donald Trump has shown true interest 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:11.360 in you know, having his second term his administration be 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:16.280 remembered as that of a peacemaker. We've seen his record 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:20.960 be successful so far and ending conflicts between Armenian Azerb 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:26.360 by John, the Indians and Pakistanis, the Rwandans and Congolese 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:30.360 and three other conflicts in addition to the one in 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:32.840 Gaza and Israel. 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:36.040 Yeah, and well, again we'll see how long it lasts. 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:38.400 If he can get through his second term without it 1:24:38.439 --> 1:24:41.280 falling apart again, would be that alone by itself would 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:43.800 probably be a small miracle. And I know there's a 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:46.080 lot of pieces behind the scenes. As he's in Egypt 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:48.720 now talking world leaders. A lot of things had to 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:52.360 happen behind the scenes for this to occur, namely leveraging 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:55.519 Cutter and Turkey and Egypt to get this deal broker together. 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:59.240 That took a lot of work behind the scenes obviously. 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:02.920 Oh yeah, and I think there needs to go credit 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:07.679 for the Turks. Over the past two years, the major 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:13.160 countries involved in the negotiations were, of course Israelis and Americans, 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:17.439 with the Kataris and the Egyptians. When the Turks got 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:20.840 involved in the negotiations, only in a matter of three 1:25:20.920 --> 1:25:24.120 days did we come to a solution to the conference. 1:25:24.120 --> 1:25:26.640 So I think, you know, the credit is due to 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:31.040 the Turks, especially that President Erdogan has, according to President Trump, 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:36.839 personally intervened in the negotiation process for itself. The timing 1:25:36.920 --> 1:25:39.920 is just right. I think everything is just falling in time. 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:44.840 Two years have ended, the hostages have just seen enough, 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:47.840 and I think the civilian population of Gaza has just 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:52.720 been under horrible conditions that no one could possibly imagine. 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:57.360 The timing is right, the conflict's ending, everyone's happy. I think, 1:25:57.439 --> 1:26:02.439 you know, why shouldn't the population both in Israel and 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:05.840 the Palestinians just moved forward to peace. Why can't we 1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:08.040 see a rebirth of the nineteen nineties again? 1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:10.639 Possibly, and he hopes so, because there's just so much 1:26:10.680 --> 1:26:14.679 blood and life lost and devastation, and it cut deeply 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:17.439 on both sides, and that that blood is so fresh, 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:19.880 and I think a piece elast for a little while. Unfortunately, 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.759 what happens in another generation comes along and forgets about history. 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:25.519 But we'll let them address the later day. Let's celebrate 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:27.680 the fact that the finally the war has stopped. Over 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:31.120 two long, hard years, all the death and destruction led 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:34.120 to this. He again on the show. Is Abdullah Hyak, 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:37.080 middle East policy expert on the Scott's Loan Show on 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:39.720 seven hundred. Ww's a piece fellow with young voices. Thanks 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:41.880 again for the time. I appreciate it, Thank you, Scott. 1:26:41.880 --> 1:26:43.320 It's great to be here, and I look forward to 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:44.200 our next discussion. 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.000 Trump is in Egypt to take his victory. Laugh, maybe 1:26:47.000 --> 1:26:51.040 a lap meeting with leaders of some twenty countries here 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.880 closer to home. The big star, of course is the Bengals. 1:26:54.280 --> 1:26:58.120 The Bengals, the Bengals. The Bengals lost, but they did 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:00.679 it in a better way. We learn how to lose better. 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:02.639 Let's put it that way, Joe Flocker looked pretty good 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:05.519 at second half, the defense fall apart. The big question, 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.400 of course, is why can't we have the offensive defense 1:27:09.400 --> 1:27:13.000 on the same page for all four quarters, certainly in 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:14.880 the last number of games in this early season, so 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:19.600 faarlier in the season. In fact, the matter is you 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:23.360 play complimentary football. It's got the last four quarters. Offense 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.120 looked bad in the first half good and the second 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:28.200 half in the opposite for the defense wilted in the end. 1:27:28.240 --> 1:27:31.559 But Scott Steelers, it's a short week, Thursday night football 1:27:31.560 --> 1:27:34.200 coming to Cincinnati. Scott Sloan show, We've got news on 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:36.040 the way in just about four or five minutes. Hang 1:27:36.080 --> 1:27:40.639 on for more seven hundred wlw's on seven d WWF. 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:43.760 The Cincinnati Bengals felt in the path because I don't 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:47.639 have to tell you that yesterday afternoon. Should the loss 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:50.120 feel like a win in a way? James Rapine is 1:27:50.160 --> 1:27:54.000 here from SI Bengals talking lockdown Bengals. James, did we 1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:54.920 win in the loss? 1:27:57.280 --> 1:27:57.439 No? 1:27:57.720 --> 1:27:58.240 No, we did. 1:27:58.439 --> 1:27:58.759 Answer. 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:02.040 They don't get that attitude like we lost, but it 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:03.120 feels like a better loss. 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:05.200 It's like, no, you lost, It's just a loss. Is 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:05.679 a loss? 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:07.519 Even though you lost by a loss by a worse 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:10.160 you didn't look it wasn't as embarrassing as previous loss. 1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:11.280 He's still lost. 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:18.679 For sure, and that's the correct takeaway. I also think 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:19.080 to the. 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:21.480 People that are optimistic for me yesterday. 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:25.720 The reason the reason why you're optimistic is because there 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:30.360 are we're signs of hope and signs of a difference. Now, 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:33.599 will that translate into Thursday? That's the real key, because 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:35.160 a loss is a loss is a loss. But if 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:38.360 it helps you on Thursday, well then that could translate totally. 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:42.759 Well we'll get to that. Let's slow down just a second. 1:28:42.840 --> 1:28:44.800 Here's the problem with the bugles. It's been true, whether 1:28:44.880 --> 1:28:47.320 Jake brown is a quarterback or not, is putting a 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:51.799 complete game together. We've heard about the complimentary nature of football. Offense, defense, 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:55.439 special teams, offense bad first half, good second half, defense, 1:28:55.800 --> 1:28:58.720 decent first and half, bad second half. We can't put 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:01.479 this together. That's, you know, one of the many problems. 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:06.080 It's been an ongoing trend here, specifically with the offense 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:09.040 being bad in the first half. Now we had an excuse, 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:12.040 not so much under Joe Burrow, but under Jake browning 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:16.120 one half of football. For one, Joe Flacco is not 1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:19.240 really a trend. It's a sample. Bengals put up sixty 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:21.960 five yards total offense, but it was only down ten 1:29:22.000 --> 1:29:25.080 tohering at halftime, and that seemed like, Okay, I don't 1:29:25.080 --> 1:29:26.600 know how we're going to generate more offense in the 1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:29.960 second half, but they did and then the defense collapse. 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:32.960 So I guess maybe that's because the offense is so 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:34.559 went up in the first half, by the time the 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:37.000 defense gets to that fourth quarter, they're completely guessed. 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:41.799 Maybe, you know, maybe that's the case. And I certainly 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:45.880 would love to see this offense start and play normal 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:48.479 football in the first half. They've been outscore seventy nine 1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:52.280 to nine in the first half of the past four games. 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:55.880 They haven't sort of touchdown in that span. Magically, the 1:29:55.960 --> 1:29:59.160 nine is three three, three point three, three field goals. 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:05.400 So it's it's frustrating to watch. And yesterday I do 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.360 think that there's some reason behind it that Joe Flacco 1:30:08.439 --> 1:30:09.479 had just gotten there. 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:11.559 You're going up against the good defense, you. 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:14.360 Are on the road, and yet at the same time 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:21.360 it doesn't change exactly what we had seen the past 1:30:21.400 --> 1:30:23.559 three weeks is happening again, and no they didn't turn 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:26.120 the ball over, but they literally couldn't move the ball. 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:28.439 At the end of the first quarter, they went three 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:30.960 and out on their only drive, had one yard of 1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:33.880 total offense. It went three and out on three of 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:37.400 their first four drives of the half. Like it just can't. 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:41.320 That isn't a way to win games. You can't do that. 1:30:41.360 --> 1:30:44.280 You can't start off that slow because you're right now 1:30:44.280 --> 1:30:46.559 we're wondering, all right, well, is it the defense's fault 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:50.240 or is the defense just gassed or well, I think 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:52.000 the defense was awful in the second half, and I 1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:54.960 don't think it's all them just being gassed. But you 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:57.599 have to start better if you're going to win games, 1:30:57.680 --> 1:30:59.640 especially on the road against really good teams. 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:01.519 And you're playing at lambeau Field. 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:05.000 You're playing in a pretty good Packers team that's no slacker. 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:08.120 That now Pittsburgh, the sweetheart of the division right now 1:31:08.200 --> 1:31:11.080 comes to the town on Thursday. Arguably that's a much 1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:13.360 tougher game. You're playing at night, you're playing at home 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:16.559 at Paycres. Hopefully home field helps you. But right now, 1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:19.479 the Bengals, if this is any indication of how you 1:31:19.479 --> 1:31:22.679 know as a loss is a loss Cincy is five 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:24.479 and a half point underdogs going to this game on 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:25.080 Thursday night. 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:32.439 Yeah, and this is this is where it shifts, because 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:35.840 I said, this is not hindsight, This isn't me looking 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:39.840 at it from orange and black colored glasses. Losing to 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:43.479 the Packers in my mind was expected, like I wanted 1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:46.320 to see them play better, but tough team on the road. 1:31:46.400 --> 1:31:49.559 Joe Flacker has been there for four and a half days. 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:53.760 Basically a tough ask. But you make that move for 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:57.479 Joe Flacco, so you can one be more competitive, but 1:31:57.600 --> 1:32:00.960 two win games like Thursday night. It's the Pittsburgh team 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:04.799 and obviously knows Joe well, you know the Steelers well. 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:08.000 And if you win, you can get right back in 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:11.559 this because the AFC North stinks. Really, the AFC for 1:32:11.600 --> 1:32:14.160 the most part hasn't been as good as people thought. 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:19.400 And so that door is cracked. But it slams shut 1:32:19.439 --> 1:32:23.920 with a loss or you can open with a win. Yeah, 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:27.000 and that's the reality for the Bengals right now. 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:29.160 It feels certainly you look by the way you described it, 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:31.320 must win on Thursday and to beat the Steelers in 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:33.679 the division, especially at this chance having him at home. 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:35.800 Now it is a short week. Of course that's always bad. 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.000 Maybe it's not because now Joe Flackow, he's been a 1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:39.519 bit of a rhythm right now, and you look again 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:41.800 in a rhythm in the second half. I mean, he 1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:46.040 through some really tight balls, particularly to Jamar Chase. Jamar 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:49.160 Chase blew up that touchdown to the head. I still 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:50.639 don't know how you got that. I still don't know how 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:53.320 that wasn't a flag, by the way, but you felt like, Wow, 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:56.479 finally somebody who given a little bit of time and 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:59.200 credit to the offensive line there can find the deep ball, 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:02.080 can hit Cha March, can hit Tea Higgains, and maybe 1:33:02.120 --> 1:33:03.080 we got something there. 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:09.040 Yeah, that's that's it. That's exactly it is. I I 1:33:09.120 --> 1:33:12.519 came away from that game. My biggest takeaway was, all Right, 1:33:12.560 --> 1:33:14.519 they have a guy at quarterbacks. I have a guy 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:17.479 at quarterback that can make the throws. He can get 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:21.400 it to their weapons. And this team scot is built 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:24.160 around their offense. Like if they're going to be good, 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:27.360 their offense needs to be good. Their offense should be 1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:30.000 better than the defense. Like that's just that's how they're 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:34.080 going to win games. And so that second half, I mean, 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:36.639 they might have scored three straight touchdowns. If Andre Josavash 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:38.479 doesn't dropped that ball on third and eight, let it 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:42.280 go through his hands, they were moving it and so yeah, 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:46.160 I think that there's there's reason to be hope, hopeful, yep. 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:48.920 And I think that they're going to be encouraged by that. 1:33:49.880 --> 1:33:52.640 But again, now it's now the pressure really is on. 1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:55.679 This is a kitsh and sink. You throw the kitchen sink. 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:59.680 You throw every play, every everything to get a win. 1:33:59.720 --> 1:34:02.719 On the third you mentioned Yosha, and Yoshi really struggled 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:04.800 yes day. It was not a good game for him. 1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:08.320 He did, he did, And those are the type of 1:34:08.360 --> 1:34:12.160 plays like, especially on the road, new quarterback, make a catch, 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:15.080 you're you're trying to rally back like you You have 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:18.160 to have those kind of plays to have a chance. 1:34:18.200 --> 1:34:20.240 And yeah, if he didn't need those plays on the 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.000 field or knows, who knows what ends up happening. 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:25.320 You wonder two end of the half, what if it 1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:27.240 would have looked that much? It's okay, so you're in 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:28.640 the go to locker room. It's ten nothing. You go 1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:30.320 to locker room ten three and a touchdown. You've got 1:34:30.360 --> 1:34:34.360 a little momentum there McPherson hitting the crossbar from sixty seven, 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:36.160 which have been an NFL rocker. That was when Curl 1:34:36.200 --> 1:34:38.439 hits a crossbar, goes in and oh wait, we called 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:42.759 time out right before a fortuitous icing of the kicker 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:46.160 because obviously the second one wasn't long enough and it 1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:48.040 was wide right, he just got a little too much 1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:48.479 under it. 1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:51.240 But man, we could I think it. You don't want 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:52.960 to say, hey, what what could have should have? 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:53.360 Could have had? 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:55.200 Mean if Joe Burrow didn't go down, we probably wouldn't 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:57.960 have this conversation. Is the fact that, man, I just 1:34:58.240 --> 1:34:59.800 that felt to me, like, boy, you go in the 1:34:59.800 --> 1:35:02.400 locker from getting three back and hey we're only down seven, 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:04.320 And then the way they looked in the second half, 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:06.120 it could have been a different outcome. 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:11.040 It could have the heck of a time out by 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:13.880 that before it really was because I don't know if 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:16.360 do you think you need to ice the kicker a 1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:20.080 sixty seven yards? Is it better just to let him 1:35:20.120 --> 1:35:22.680 kick it? Clearly it was better to take the time out. 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:24.880 And you're not taking your time outs in the half, Ami, 1:35:24.920 --> 1:35:27.040 I mean, okay, what do you lose my calling time out? 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:30.920 No doubt, no doubt, and that's it. That's why you 1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:36.200 do it. But geeh, like I uh, I wish honestly, 1:35:36.240 --> 1:35:38.639 I wish Evan didn't get to kick that first one, 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:41.320 right because I think he kicked the first one, made 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:44.640 it and then I don't know, it almost changes your mindset. 1:35:45.920 --> 1:35:48.320 And I'm not just saying he said that or felt 1:35:48.360 --> 1:35:51.120 that way, but like, it just felt different with. 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:54.759 That second shot. 1:35:55.320 --> 1:35:58.240 Again, if the angles a half degree off, it's going 1:35:58.280 --> 1:36:00.080 to change it from that far. So you know, it 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:01.400 may not have been the hold because in the state, 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:04.800 could have been a million things. But yeah, now, had 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:06.759 he missed it and then hit the second one, we'd 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:08.599 be high five in each other right now, and maybe 1:36:08.640 --> 1:36:10.720 the Bengals would have done something. But that was the 1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:12.639 most Bengal thing of the game I think is that 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.120 he makes it from sixty seven, they called the timeout, 1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:17.960 and then he misses the sixty seven yard er. But nonetheless, 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:21.040 I thought first half defense played good enough to win 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:24.160 Trey Hendrickson leave them to the back injury. Things change 1:36:24.200 --> 1:36:26.439 after Trey Hendrickson wasn't rushing the passer anymore. 1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:29.240 Yep, that might have. 1:36:29.240 --> 1:36:33.800 Been all these game deciding plays. You know, third and 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:37.639 eight and you have Jordan Love with over four seconds 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:40.040 to throw the ball and then he finds Matt Golden 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:42.839 when the Bengals had trimmed lead to twenty four to eighteen. 1:36:43.280 --> 1:36:45.519 And if they get to stop there, they're getting the ball. Yeah, 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:48.160 but my goodness, sound nice would have beat a have 1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:51.799 Trey Hendrickson on the field. I really hope it isn't serious, 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:55.640 because you talk about pass to winning games. They just 1:36:55.680 --> 1:36:57.920 don't have a lot of playmakers on defense right now, Scott. 1:36:58.280 --> 1:37:02.519 So without Trey, without Trey, you're looking around that who's 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:04.640 going to make a play, And there's just there's not 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:08.200 many guys that you could confidently they would raise their 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:10.040 hand and be able to actually go out there. 1:37:10.040 --> 1:37:15.080 And does anyone miss more tackles than Jordan Bell? I 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:17.800 mean it was fair most games and Cam Taylor brit 1:37:17.880 --> 1:37:19.880 has just been bad for a long time now, and 1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:23.000 I mean he's bench leading up to the game, and uh, 1:37:23.520 --> 1:37:25.240 it's just you look at it and go, there's two 1:37:25.280 --> 1:37:26.599 fun a firm of the guys that want to make 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:28.880 a play. I mean tackling. That's not the easiest thing, 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:31.120 but it's the most basic thing. You watch a Bengals game. 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:34.120 How many guys get extra yards after initial contact. You 1:37:34.160 --> 1:37:35.720 could probably count on one hand, or in the course 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:39.040 of the game where the person make initial contact brings 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:39.719 down the target. 1:37:41.560 --> 1:37:44.720 Yeah, it's it's frustrating. And I thought it was. 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:47.559 Interesting that the Bengals wn't with two rookie linebackers as well. 1:37:47.880 --> 1:37:51.360 Yeah that game. Yeah, and Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight. 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:54.760 And I don't want to be the Barrett bad news, 1:37:54.760 --> 1:37:56.840 but I don't think he that one played well. I see, 1:37:56.920 --> 1:37:59.519 Josh Jacobs had his best game of the year, averaging 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:02.840 over five to carry. Obviously the two touchdowns on the 1:38:02.880 --> 1:38:06.479 one touchdown run. I mean he was pretty pretty untouched 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:10.800 after getting through the defensive a front and that can't happen. So, yeah, 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:14.479 you mentioned it. Can Taylor Bridge Jordan battle and then 1:38:14.680 --> 1:38:16.840 you're throw in those guys and not much of a 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:20.080 pass rush. Yeah, And it's just it's a really tough 1:38:20.120 --> 1:38:22.320 go of it right now, and so who knows. I 1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:24.679 think Shamar Stewart has a chance to play this week, 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:27.360 and maybe Trey Hendrickson can fight through it. And if 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:29.759 you have those two guys, maybe you will have somewhat 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:30.960 of a pass rush against. 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:34.679 Aaron Rodgers, James rapine back to the corners and starting 1:38:34.720 --> 1:38:37.959 two rookies at linebacker. Demetrius Night. Okay, we saw Demetrius, 1:38:37.960 --> 1:38:41.599 but bred Carter in for Logan. What happened to Logan 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:43.600 Wilson over the last couple of ye I mean, I 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:44.679 think he was just on kickoff. 1:38:44.720 --> 1:38:49.360 I think, yeah, he was in on bass downs when 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:52.960 they were playing three linebackers and then special teams. He 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:59.080 had one snap in the second half. And honestly, I 1:38:59.120 --> 1:39:01.280 don't think he's been like he has lost the step, 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:03.640 There's no doubt, But I don't think he's been so 1:39:03.840 --> 1:39:06.000 bad that now he's just phased out. And I think 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:10.439 that's a really interesting storyline that's transpired over I mean, 1:39:10.439 --> 1:39:14.080 it's week six it's not Week sixteen, right, And you know, 1:39:14.640 --> 1:39:16.800 has Barrett Harder showed them that much? Now, if you 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:19.800 look at the box score, played well, he had ten tackles. 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:20.160 But I. 1:39:21.840 --> 1:39:23.880 Think when they watched the film, they're going to look 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:26.960 at those linebackers and say, all right, we were pretty 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:30.160 bad in that spot. But it is saying something that 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:35.120 Logan Wilson has kind of throughout the past couple of 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:39.160 weeks been phased out and now he's truly their third linebacker. 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.439 It's tough about to be in for the veteran, especially 1:39:42.439 --> 1:39:46.680 after he's voted captain. And that's the reality, that's what 1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:48.800 he's facing. I would expect Bret Carter and Demetrius Knight 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:50.080 to start again on Thursday. 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:52.759 Yeah, I would think so too. But man, I watch 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:53.840 you watch a little bit. 1:39:53.960 --> 1:39:56.400 Because you get the multi view going on TV, they 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.720 can watch different games that I'm watching Aaron Rodgers yesterday 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:05.200 and he you know, especially with no Trey Hendrickson, Boy, 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:07.360 you're asking that line and that defense to do a 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:09.519 lot that they don't look like they're capable of as 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:12.880 of today. 1:40:12.000 --> 1:40:18.120 Uh, there's no doubt. And and that's why starting off 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:21.920 with points and finding a way to get going early 1:40:21.960 --> 1:40:25.360 on offense, that that is important because the Steelers they're 1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:27.400 not a team that wants to win a shoot out either. 1:40:27.280 --> 1:40:29.599 Right, They're kind of. 1:40:30.840 --> 1:40:33.240 They want to play, you know, the ugly game that 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:35.160 they played yesterday and then I'll break it open at 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:39.439 the end the and that's pretty much their game script 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:42.679 every week. And so this offense has to show up early. 1:40:42.760 --> 1:40:44.680 They're going up against a really good defensive front. The 1:40:44.720 --> 1:40:48.639 Steelers defensive front is awesome Jalen Ramsey has been playing 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:51.559 pretty well, I think in Pittsburgh at corner and so 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:54.880 it's going to be a tough task, a tough test, 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:59.000 and it really can you get a lead, and then 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:01.439 if you get a lead, the Steelers aren't good at 1:41:01.479 --> 1:41:04.439 running the football. Forced Aaron Rodgers to throw it, and 1:41:04.479 --> 1:41:06.280 when he does, you're gonna have to get pressure on him. 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:09.240 Like it's all simple things. It's much easier said than done. 1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:11.479 But those are some of the things that they're gonna 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:12.599 have to do well. 1:41:12.640 --> 1:41:14.439 We'll find out that Thursday, and it's a quick week 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:16.559 and unfortunate we're gonna have time to get healthy too, 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:18.559 because you get some guys banging a Trey Hendrickson comes 1:41:18.560 --> 1:41:22.360 to minds the biggest there as well. And man, you 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:25.000 feel like this is the season right here? Am I 1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:26.600 wrong about thinking it that way on Thursday night? 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:30.040 Already? No, you're not wrong. This is it. 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:32.320 I mean two and five, verses three and four. And 1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:34.439 if you get to three and four, then you have 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:36.240 a tie breaker over the Steelers and you play him 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:39.080 again a month later, right, and so you can you 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:42.479 have to sleep Pittsburgh. If you sleep Pittsburgh, and you 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:44.240 look and you got the Jets on the schedule. You 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:47.280 got some winnable games on the schedule in your home. 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:49.080 You don't go on the road again. It's been a 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:50.880 lot of road games, right, four out of six on 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:52.639 the road, right. You don't go on the road again 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:55.400 until November sixteenth, when you play Pittsburgh and there's a 1:41:55.400 --> 1:41:58.720 buy in there, but you're at home. This is when, 1:41:58.800 --> 1:42:00.639 like Zach Taylor for the past few, like the winds 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:02.320 are gonna come, The winds are gonna come. Well, the 1:42:02.520 --> 1:42:04.840 winds need to come right now. They do, and now's 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:08.639 the time, and they can They can salvage the season 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:11.679 if they went on Thursday night. But it certainly starts 1:42:11.680 --> 1:42:13.760 with a winner on primetime against the Steelers. 1:42:13.800 --> 1:42:15.720 Big ask, we'll find out. We'll have the call for you. 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:18.040 James Rapines covering it for you as he does every 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:20.880 Monday morning, so chopping it up before the lunch. How 1:42:20.880 --> 1:42:23.080 we're always talking to Bengals football. This morning, I'm the 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:26.200 losing end. That's four straight losses. Bengal's open at five 1:42:26.240 --> 1:42:28.799 and a half point dogs against the Steelers on Thursday 1:42:28.840 --> 1:42:33.360 Night football. James Repete catch him over at SI's bengalstock 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:35.800 dot com it puts a lockdown podcast as well. James, 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:37.120 all the best, Buddy, appreciate. 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:39.280 You, Thanks, Scott, appreciate you. 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:42.000 All right, quick time out speaking of sports and the like, 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:46.040 of course, the news this morning that the Bearcat, the legend, 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:48.759 the Hall of Famer, Jim Kelly Junior, has passed away. 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:52.920 The long time color analysts for Bearcat Football alongside our 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:56.559 buddy Dan Horde, passing away today after his health battle. 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:59.720 So prayers to everyone at UC and Clifton, especially the 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:02.600 Kelly family and h and Danny for that matter too. 1:43:02.720 --> 1:43:03.920 Knew that guy for a long time. 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:06.639 Willie's on the way coming up at twelve o six 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:09.000 here on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage, seven 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:10.360 hundred WWT Cincinnati