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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: Here we go Monday morning, back yet at Scott's loan,

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Speaker 2: hanging with you on seven hundred w WELW and we

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Speaker 2: pick up where we left off last week, and that

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Speaker 2: is three Ohio companies, including a Cincinnati outfit, filed a

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Speaker 2: lawsuit challenging Republican Governor Mike Dewines emergency order to ban

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Speaker 2: the sale of low level intoxicating hemp products, Delta eight

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Speaker 2: infused products like edibles, gummies, and some certain seltzer. So

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Speaker 2: let me just lay the explainer out because I was

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Speaker 2: talking to people few people this weekend are like, okay,

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Speaker 2: so I can't understand what the difference is between Delta

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Speaker 2: and Dental nine and then CBD and then cannabis. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So it's complicated. I'll try and make as simple as possible.

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Speaker 2: So cannabis and hemp are they're related plants. They look

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Speaker 2: alike chemically, they're different, and the part that gets you

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Speaker 2: high is much less so in hemp. Hemp has been

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Speaker 2: legal in the United States. Cannabis is not by federal law.

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Speaker 2: THC of the cannabis part and way THHD is the

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Speaker 2: part that gets you high.

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Speaker 3: CBD doesn't basically.

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Speaker 2: So hemp has a little little bit of and CBD

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Speaker 2: has a little bit of THHC in the hamp anyway.

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Speaker 3: But so what they do is the products.

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Speaker 2: And because of this, I don't know you call the loophole,

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Speaker 2: but probact can be sold anywhere in the Buckeye State

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Speaker 2: hemp products, so the government doesn't really have jurisdiction over them.

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Speaker 2: And so the end result is, hey, we've got hemp

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Speaker 2: and we've got cannabis.

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Speaker 3: The THHC and the CBD. That's the difference between the two.

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Speaker 2: The other thing you need to know you keep hearing

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Speaker 2: compound that makes it up. So eight is generally considered

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Speaker 2: not as potent and milder than delta nine. Delta nine

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Speaker 2: is the classic weed high. Delta eight is a more

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Speaker 2: it's a buzz I guess, it's kind of relaxing. Maybe

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Speaker 2: not as intoxicating, certainly. And the concern is Delta eight

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Speaker 2: is synthetically produced by converting hemp derived CBD product into

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Speaker 2: a chemical process. So they extract that point three percent

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Speaker 2: that will allow one to become mightily intoxicated. So I

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Speaker 2: think that is like the dummies version, my version of

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Speaker 2: what's going on here, and then we'll get to the

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Speaker 2: politics of it. Because Ohio State Senator Steve Huffman is

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Speaker 2: on the show from Tip City. He's a physician and

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Speaker 2: sits in the legislature in Columbus. Steve, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well on yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fine.

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Speaker 2: It's always difficult to kind of explain complex issues like that.

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Speaker 2: I struggle with it, but hopefully I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe nine out of ten, ninety nine out of one hundred,

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Speaker 2: I think I got most of the points right. Then

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Speaker 2: that's where that's where things stand right now in Ohiot's

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Speaker 2: I hate calling it loophole because loophole is such a

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Speaker 2: loaded term, but it kind of is when it comes.

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Speaker 3: To hamp.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: So the definition of hemp is less than zero point

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Speaker 4: three percent THCHC. And to give you a reference from that,

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Speaker 4: marijuana during woodstock was six percent THHC. Yeah, today it

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Speaker 4: has grown at about thirty five percent. So in woodstock

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Speaker 4: you're a catching a little buzz. Now you're getting stoned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which which is agricultural progress. I mean in other

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Speaker 2: areas it would celebrate. I mean, hell, Steve. And if

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Speaker 2: you go back to the same time period in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, you know, we get what is it, four

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Speaker 2: to six times more yield per acre for you know

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Speaker 2: what it is we grow in our fields because of technology,

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Speaker 2: the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I'm not complaining or anything. Yeah, yeah, you know, just

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Speaker 4: you used to get four bushes an acre. Now you're

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Speaker 4: getting twenty bushes and that's great. Yeah, so that's modern technology.

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Speaker 3: It's technology.

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Speaker 2: But as far as the HIGA, so it's kind of

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Speaker 2: a sort of a loopholder. And I understand the concern.

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Speaker 2: The concern is this, you do have teenagers, younger people

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Speaker 3: Nobody wants that.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I agree, And you know you're not going to

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Speaker 4: but usually it's the one off gas station that you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for them, it's nothing about money. And okay, I

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Speaker 2: you know, the intoxicating him products can be sold to

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Speaker 2: kids that there's no quality control and they're dangerous. But

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Speaker 2: my problem is this, Steve As, you know, what about

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Speaker 2: adults who choose to use this stuff? What about for example,

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Speaker 2: I had on Friday morning the head of the fifty

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Speaker 2: and talk about how much money they stand to lose

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Speaker 2: because a lot of adults are going, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I really like the I like the products at Deltate.

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Speaker 2: I like the CBD infused products at a bar more

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Speaker 2: than I like the alcohol. And now we've got this

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Speaker 2: tremendous wave that's sweeping across Ohan the rest of the

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Speaker 2: bar and ordering one of these products. And now we have,

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Speaker 2: just because of this alleged emergency, we've shut all that down.

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Speaker 2: That's what's problematic for me.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't disagree with you. You know, the Senate

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Speaker 4: passed my Bill eighty six back in March that would

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Speaker 4: have solved all this problem, and the House is looking

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Speaker 4: has taken it up, but hasn't decided.

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Speaker 5: What to do with it.

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Speaker 4: And basically it said, if it's intoxicating with THHC, it

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Speaker 4: needs to go into the dispensaries and we carve out

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Speaker 4: so that they can continue to be sold.

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Speaker 3: That seems like an easy fix. Why didn't we do it.

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: So there's two trains of thought. One put it in

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Speaker 4: the dispensaries or number two kind of like the guy

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Speaker 4: to be in any retail store, require twenty one and

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Speaker 4: Not there is no license or plan for a license,

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Speaker 4: but be twenty one and over to get THC in that.

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Speaker 2: Form right, Because if I'm going to a bar, I

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Speaker 2: They've got volleyball courts, they got sand for the kids

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Speaker 2: margins and food and beverage. I don't have to tell you,

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Speaker 2: Steve Hoffman, Senator, it's really really tight when I have

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Speaker 2: someone on from that industry, or for example, retailers that

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Speaker 2: are saying, hey, look, you know now like a quarter

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Speaker 2: is coming from these products because people are going beer

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Speaker 2: sales are down. The fifty West folks said, yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: the craft beer. Things kind of peaked right now. Now

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Speaker 2: people are like favoring how they feel after drinking a

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Speaker 2: couple CBD laced beverages as opposed to traditional alcohol, because

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Speaker 2: that's what the public wants. I don't know how you

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Speaker 2: get away with calling this is such an emergency, you've

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Speaker 2: got to shut it all down in effective medialy for

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Speaker 2: at least ninety days. And now we have people who

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Speaker 2: and now you're telling me even they can't have it,

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Speaker 2: that's extreme to me. To call this an emergency is absurd.

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you. I think the governor was

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Speaker 4: his way to force the people the General Assembly to

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Speaker 4: either look at eighty six and put it in the dispensaries,

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Speaker 4: or there's you know, ten to fifteen people in the

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Speaker 4: leave these people do it, but make it twenty one

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Speaker 4: it is another train of thought. Or those you know

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Speaker 2: They're going to cart anybody who walks in. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to sell these drinks to kids because of a loophole.

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Speaker 2: Now maybe there's some again unscrupulous retailers, but we should

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Speaker 2: be using the law to go after them and allowing

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Speaker 2: a market driven economy. Obviously, this is a play by

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, you know, we'll see if these, you know,

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Speaker 4: the temporary injunctions are out there. A lot of people

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Speaker 4: We've got to do something, but I can't do it.

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Speaker 4: I can't do it with an executive order. And he

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Speaker 4: it'll give people some emphasis to you know, to come

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Speaker 3: Right, And I'll get back to the initial thing.

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Speaker 2: And this is where I get what Mike DeWine is

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Speaker 2: something done and get it done in a hurry. But

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Speaker 2: at the same time, this is a problem that was

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Speaker 2: created for a long time by these same elected officials

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Speaker 2: in that there's been sizable demand for cannabis, medicinal cannabis

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Speaker 2: and then recreational cannabis. Everyone saw this coming. It was

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Speaker 2: a matter of time before we passed it. Then the legislature,

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Speaker 2: Then the legislature got involved in trying too. Well, now

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Speaker 2: we've got to regulated because this was the people I

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Speaker 2: didn't fought for the governor themselves that I don't want

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Speaker 2: this in my state.

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Speaker 3: I went to Colorado.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible, and the people in Colorado seem to enjoy

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Speaker 2: it because they keep voting for it. So at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, I see this whole CBD and

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Speaker 2: the point three percent THCHC and that's just a workaround.

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Speaker 2: It's synthetic marijuana. Because had we just accepted the fact

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't have this whole loophole to begin with. I

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Speaker 2: don't think you know, it seems like this is a

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you. I do believe, as always,

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Speaker 4: You know the Speaker has said that he hopes we

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Speaker 2: He is Senator, State Senator Steve Huffman from just a

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Speaker 4: Good thanks for having me you take care, take care.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And you know, here's the problem with this,

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Speaker 2: We have Republicans that largely can yeah, whip and control

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Speaker 3: Can't get out of there on the way. How hard

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Speaker 2: To come up with something and go, let's fix this problem.

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Speaker 2: If you're an adult, you can buy the beverage as

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Speaker 3: It's an easy fix.

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Speaker 2: But instead we get, well, we got to do we

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Speaker 2: got to ban this to protect the children. That's stupid.

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Speaker 2: Scott's Flowing Show seven hundred WW it's got a weird

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Speaker 2: these companies that manufacture what they're going to wind up doing.

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Speaker 2: Uh in the interim to I get this thing figured out,

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Speaker 2: and as you'll get the economy. You know, certainly the

439
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Speaker 2: statistics are much different than the fields. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to see anything going, especially something in demand like that. Hey,

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Speaker 2: real quick on the on the topic Tom in Indiana

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Speaker 2: and the Scott Flown Show.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Good morning, How are you Scott?

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Speaker 3: Well, how are you doing?

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Speaker 6: I'm good.

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Speaker 7: Hey, listen, your senator you just had on Now. Granted

447
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Speaker 7: I understand this is an Ohio thing that I have

448
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Speaker 7: family in Ohio. He is either very ignorant of the

449
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Speaker 7: real facts about research on medical marijuana and marijuana you period,

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Speaker 7: because in a two seconds search I found about forty

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Speaker 7: articles places like Yale and the CDC and the net

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Speaker 7: is due to health and all kinds of places. There

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Speaker 7: is tons of research on this. So he's either ignorant

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Speaker 7: or he's telling something.

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Speaker 3: Well, a couple of different things.

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Speaker 2: You looked at marijuana, but we're talking specifically about CBD.

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Speaker 2: For a long time, marijuana.

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Speaker 8: Wasn't research research on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, what I'm saying is the laws related.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is the long term research, and

461
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Speaker 2: we don't have because it's as a relatively new thing.

462
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Speaker 2: HEMP spent around for a long time, and because of

463
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Speaker 2: the laws the way they are it, we don't have

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Speaker 2: as much long term data on well, for example, fight

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Speaker 2: products because it's a reletively new thing. And then the

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Speaker 2: delta eight along with that.

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Speaker 7: True, but you heard him say it. They want to

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Speaker 7: put this into dispensaries. Why because the state doesn't want

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Speaker 7: any competition. It's like just like distilled spirits. You know,

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Speaker 7: you can't distill your own spirits because the government doesn't

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Speaker 7: want competition. They want the tax.

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Speaker 2: Mom, correct, yeah you can't. You can make your own beer.

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Speaker 2: But in some areas they're actually trying to crack down.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to crack down people making their own homebrew

475
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Speaker 2: for crying out loud, and that's like, what are we

476
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Speaker 2: doing here? Is it simply to control revenue? I think

477
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Speaker 2: that I think that drives a part of this. I

478
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Speaker 2: really do.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I think it drives a great part of it.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you leave anything in the Bible shows,

481
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Speaker 7: you know, the Bible shows is the love of money

482
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Speaker 7: is the root of all people. Well, you know, I

483
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Speaker 7: think the government loves money, you know, because they want

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Speaker 7: all of ours. They don't want anybody to make any

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Speaker 7: extra without them getting their cut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that may drive I just don't see.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's practical for if I want

488
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Speaker 2: a I don't know, a seltzer to go to a

489
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Speaker 2: CBD place and buy it, because people aren't thinking that way.

490
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Speaker 2: It's more like, oh, I'm I'm sending here, I'm looking.

491
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Speaker 2: I've got all these beer products and alcohol. I may

492
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Speaker 2: try this flavor. It's not like you're going to go

493
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Speaker 2: in there deliberately. It's just and if you want to

494
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Speaker 2: destroy the whole industry, just do that. That's what they'll do,

495
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Speaker 2: is just have it available only in the dispensary. No

496
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Speaker 2: one's going to go into dispensary to buy these products

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Speaker 2: like they would in the liquor store or somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's not done work that way.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 8: And an adult, I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Your thanks, Tom, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: You know, adults want to go in you go to

503
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Speaker 2: a bar cycle Hey, I can have whiskey, I can

504
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Speaker 2: have beer, I can have light beer. I can have

505
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Speaker 2: all these different I can have one with higher alcohol.

506
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Speaker 2: You go into places and they tell you what the

507
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Speaker 2: ABV is, right, you know that Kentucky barrel al that's

508
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Speaker 2: that they sit sell in a little glass because that

509
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Speaker 2: stuff potent. That's like two beers and other stuff like

510
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: mic ultra. You know, it's closer to water. I enjoyed

511
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Speaker 2: mic culture like your golfing or something like that. That's fine,

512
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: but you know it's low calorie. But it's also a

513
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Speaker 2: low goo alcohol by volume. It depends what you're looking

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Speaker 2: to do. I don't understand why this is such a

515
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Speaker 2: big deal when it comes to to THC. You know

516
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Speaker 2: the idea that you know sensa. Back in the sixties,

517
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 2: the weed that we had was lots less potent than

518
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Speaker 2: the weed today. Yeah, that's a good thing. That means

519
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: we do have technology learning how to do things like

520
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Speaker 2: hybrids for example, and growing and normally in every other area,

521
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: go wow, we're getting way more yield, much more yield

522
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Speaker 2: than we did yesterday. In America anywhere we celebrate that.

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Speaker 2: And there's still some people that we'll talk about it

524
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Speaker 2: is it's like it's a bad well you just well,

525
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Speaker 2: you can't overdose on it, you just so you'll use

526
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Speaker 2: less and get justice high. That seems like it's value

527
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Speaker 2: to me, right, it's the American way as well. If

528
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Speaker 2: we have a little bit of it, let's do more

529
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Speaker 2: of it. And only when it comes to these guys,

530
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Speaker 2: it's like a different story entirely the and not talking

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Speaker 2: about Steve, but rather the the in this case, it's

532
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Speaker 2: the House. And so Mike de Wine is trying to

533
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Speaker 2: leverage and using this power to shut everything down, to

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Speaker 2: force the UH, to force the House to do something

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Speaker 2: and act on this. And you know, again we have

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Speaker 2: I don't know why they're dragging their feet on it.

537
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Speaker 2: I have I would imagine if I were to guess,

538
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Speaker 2: it has somewhat to do with the Bible thumpers and

539
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Speaker 2: that contingent that that that portion of the conservative base

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Speaker 2: that don't like anything. I mean, if we're up to

541
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Speaker 2: them to run things, it would be not much much

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Speaker 2: different than probably what we're fighting against in the Middle East,

543
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Speaker 2: and that would be you just simply aren't allowed to

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Speaker 2: have any fun because God doesn't want that. I don't

545
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Speaker 2: know who you are to interpret what God says, but

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Speaker 2: we have enough people to believe that and I don't

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Speaker 2: understand why you have to control the rest of us.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me, if you don't want to go

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Speaker 2: and use alcohol, you don't want to drink alcohol, you

550
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Speaker 2: don't want to smoke marijuana, you don't want to have

551
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Speaker 2: a CBD drink, you don't want to I don't know

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Speaker 2: where a dress that doesn't cover your ankle, whatever the

553
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Speaker 2: hell it is.

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Speaker 3: It seems like, Okay, well you do that. That good

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 2: I celebrate your right to do that, but don't tell

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Speaker 2: me what to do. And that's the problem. Busybodies generally

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Speaker 2: the problem. Busy bodies to the vote even worse of

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Speaker 2: a problem. Slowly A five point three seven four nine

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Speaker 2: seven thousand, eight hundred The Big One Talkback iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: You want to fire on the show this morning. Where

562
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Speaker 2: are you on fragrances. I know there's a difference, but

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Speaker 2: I think between like old spice, I don't really consider

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Speaker 2: that a fragrance, like body washes and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about perfume.

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Speaker 2: There's a fine line between smelling nice and clean and

567
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Speaker 2: clearing out a room. It's a fine line, just a

568
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Speaker 2: fine line. Perfume ads when you watch if you step

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Speaker 2: back and watch the Fragrance ads. I don't know who

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Speaker 2: they're designed to appeal. For a long time, I have

571
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Speaker 2: no idea. I was like, who is that appealing to? Exactly?

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Speaker 2: If you just watch the ad, because generally it's like

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Speaker 2: some I don't know, bony women, effeminate men laying atop

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Speaker 2: boulders and the beaches on fire, and.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: What what do you who's buying this stuff? I you

577
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Speaker 2: look at it, go wow, that's the stuff. For me,

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Speaker 2: it's just weird. And I guess it's because it's awfully

579
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Speaker 2: hard to articulate in the words, what something smells like,

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Speaker 2: So you do it by something that makes you go, boy,

581
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Speaker 2: if I use any of these products, that makes me

582
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Speaker 2: a weirdo. Yeah, countless people do. Look at the echo,

583
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Speaker 2: what are you doing here? So in a way, it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like the prescription drug ads. It can't I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what it does, but the list of side

586
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Speaker 2: effects is as long as the ad itself. Like it's

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Speaker 2: fifteen seconds to people dancing, you know, in a square,

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Speaker 2: and they're in a food truck and they're dancing around.

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Speaker 2: They seem awfully happy and singing about this miracle product

590
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Speaker 2: that I have no idea what it's intended to cure.

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Speaker 2: But I'm supposed to ask my physician if it's right

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can't remember the name of this. I don't

595
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Speaker 3: know what this is.

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Speaker 2: Hey, is that you know that ad where that heavy

597
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: set woman's dancing around and there's a tuba player and

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Speaker 2: then there's some old guy throwing a football and they're

599
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: having a picnic that you know, you know that, you

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Speaker 2: know that?

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Speaker 3: Is that right for me?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about. Every one

603
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Speaker 2: of the pharmaschol lads look like that Scott. Yeah, but

604
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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to ask you if it's right for me.

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00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: They won't tell me what it does, but is it

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Speaker 2: right for me? It's another weird ad. But the perfume

607
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: ads are the ones that, like, I don't know why

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Speaker 2: people are is this really attracting people to go buy

609
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Speaker 2: this perfume? They're just so also just weird, like the

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Speaker 2: perfume mad people are weird people. But now we have

611
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Speaker 2: a breakthrough the fragrance industry. We have the hottest new trend.

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the maybe the state legislature. I know

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Speaker 2: how to ban this because people want it. Sense that

614
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: smell like food not ever. Always kind of been around,

615
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: but apparently it's like the huge thing right now. People

616
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: wanting to smell like vanilla or pumpkin spice. Caramel swirl

617
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: is a new scent. It's a mashup of notes that

618
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Speaker 2: remind them of Missus Butterworth's syrup. That may be okay

619
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Speaker 2: maybe in the winter, but I think this time of

620
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Speaker 2: year where the yellowjackets and bees are doing what they

621
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Speaker 2: getting ready to winter in, maybe that's not the best,

622
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Speaker 2: not the best thing to wear if you're headed outside.

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Speaker 2: Dove is partnering with Crumble Cookies on a lemon glazed

624
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: body scrub, a confetti cake, a body washed Dunkin Donuts

625
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: with a vanilla sprinkled deodorant, and a blueberry cobbler, Boston

626
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: Cream mashup, Beth and Bodyworks and Milk Bar launching a

627
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Speaker 2: collapse together. And you know, to me is a guy

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Speaker 2: that to me is a long time. It's much more

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Speaker 2: appealing than the weirdo is rolling around on boulders. Yeah,

630
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Speaker 2: if if the idea heres, Hey, I want to smell

631
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Speaker 2: really good and maybe somebody knows how I smell, and

632
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: we become a get in a relationship, become attracted to

633
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: each other, we become a couple, become a thing. And

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Speaker 2: maybe you know that just down one whiff will get

635
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Speaker 2: me gone if you really wanted to do that. Just

636
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Speaker 2: if somebody would make a I don't know, a perfume

637
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Speaker 2: that smelled like a pizza or I don't know, like

638
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: b dubs or something like that like that would really

639
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Speaker 2: think a guy'd go, all right, she's cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like that to me sounds like okay.

641
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Speaker 2: It's smell you smelled delicious, Like telling someone they smelled delicious.

642
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: It is a much much better compliment, like you're getting

643
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Speaker 2: your attention because you smell like lilacs or something like that.

644
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: The whole perfume thing, it's like you have a little

645
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: bit you smell okay, you smell okay, but man, there's

646
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Speaker 2: a finally you just don't need much more to go

647
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: across that line, you know what I'm talking about. There

648
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: people will come in and literally will set the smoke

649
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Speaker 2: detectors off because they're wearing so much perfume like their

650
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: olo factory senses. I don't know what happened to you

651
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Speaker 2: if you're snorting acid when you're like talking about like

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Speaker 2: hydrochloric acid when you're younger. I'm not quite sure. But

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Speaker 2: then there's those people. I don't think I'd ever have

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Speaker 2: that problem if you smell, because that you would never

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Speaker 2: smell like too much pizza. If you had that kind

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Speaker 2: of fragrance, you could douse yourself in the whole bottle

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Speaker 2: and go. You'd walk in a run. People go, Wow,

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Speaker 2: who brought pizza? Nope, just my scent, saying at the syrup,

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Speaker 2: like syrup smells really good. Some of these weird. If

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Speaker 2: you go to like the holidays once a year. I

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Speaker 2: have to go to Christmas shopping. Only time I go

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Speaker 2: to the mall and you walk into a Dillards or

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Speaker 2: something that the perfume counter there not to hold my

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Speaker 2: breath for a good thirty forty seconds because it will

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Speaker 2: just knock me to my knees, because you have all

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Speaker 2: these competing senses and it's just too much.

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Speaker 3: It's overload. Yet I walk in the food court, I

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Speaker 3: never want to leave. It's the difference. Quick time out.

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Speaker 2: We've got news in about that ten and win a

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Speaker 2: return of the show on seven hundred WLW. I've got

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Speaker 2: Chris n I heist on. He's the CEO of Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Vigilance Cybersecurity. I don't know if you saw it last

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Speaker 2: night after football sixty Minutes and it was think it

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Speaker 2: was Leslie's stall or whatever it was. Maybe it was

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Speaker 2: Scott Paley, I don't know, one of the sixty minutes people.

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Speaker 2: They had a great story opening story about how China

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Speaker 2: has infiltrated our critical infrastructure and the wake up call

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Speaker 2: for us, and we've been talking about this for a while,

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Speaker 2: but there were at least two hundred examples, two hundred

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Speaker 2: cases where the Chinese have infiltrated things like our water

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Speaker 2: treatment plants, our electrical grids, transportation, hospitals, talcom stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: And the information coming out is pretty sobering. And what

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Speaker 2: they're doing specifically, I mean, they're not hacking in and

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Speaker 2: shutting systems down. They're lying dormant. They have the access

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Speaker 2: to these systems, two hundred of them, which tells me

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Speaker 2: if you found two hundred, how many are out there

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Speaker 2: that we haven't found and they literally could shut things down. Now,

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Speaker 2: the question is where in Cincinnati. If there's two hundred

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Speaker 2: of them or more, you think there's got to be

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Speaker 2: one near us. I mean which small municipality is now

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Speaker 2: infiltrated by Chinese spyware that they can use against us

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Speaker 2: if they need to, and a coordinated TAC for that matter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's frightening as hell. It was one of

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Speaker 2: the better things I think I've seen this year relative

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Speaker 2: to a nice piece of investigative journalism. Is we've heard

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Speaker 2: about that, we've talked about it. Say, yah, there's a

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Speaker 2: couple of cases here. I mean, you know, somebody gets

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Speaker 2: in cattering health for example, just a few months ago

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Speaker 2: they had their issues, and it seems like every couple

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Speaker 2: of months there's one locally that this happens.

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Speaker 3: But that's just a bad state act.

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Speaker 2: That's that's maybe not a state act or maybe state sponsored,

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Speaker 2: but someone just trying to hold them hostage for money.

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Speaker 2: This is a whole different matter entirely. This is like

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Speaker 2: national security and literally shutting us down and our ability

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Speaker 2: to function. Imagine what it would happen if they could

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Speaker 2: shut the water supply now or poison our water because

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Speaker 2: there's some chemicals that treat our water in small quantities,

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Speaker 2: but in higher doses could be fatal and we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: know it until well was actually happening. Absolutely fascinatingway. Chris

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Speaker 2: na has is on that to talk about the real

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Speaker 2: threat here and what's next and now, if we detected

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Speaker 2: this stuff, how do we act against China? And maybe

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Speaker 2: one of the other questions here too is you know,

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Speaker 2: if China's doing that to us, are we doing that

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Speaker 2: to China or other countries? Any answers probably yes, probably, yes,

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Speaker 2: we'll get a time out in we'll talk to him

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Speaker 2: about this. If you didn't see it last night, it

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Speaker 2: certainly is compelling. And of course President Trump is making

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Speaker 2: the realms I think in Egypt now or is about

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Speaker 2: to to Egypt or about to arrive there, talking about

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Speaker 2: the success of the Abraham Accords and what just happened

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Speaker 2: between Palestine and Israel and can we have lasting peace?

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Speaker 2: And how long will be before the United States is

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Speaker 2: what we always do and just simply forget about them

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Speaker 2: and find something other shiny ball or tennis ball to

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Speaker 2: chase down the hall like a golden retriever with add

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Speaker 2: and ignore this and let it all fall apart. We

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Speaker 2: were really good, regardless of the administration at the time. We

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Speaker 2: have a history of doing these things. We'll get peace,

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Speaker 2: we'll fight for it, fight like dogs we'll broker, we'll

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Speaker 2: get all that good, and then we'll simply walk away,

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Speaker 2: and then it all falls.

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Speaker 3: Apart and we do it over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we got to get the news, and hopefully this

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Speaker 2: is a piece that lasts much much longer than even

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Speaker 2: pragmatists like myself sick hope it lasts forever. It would

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Speaker 2: be a nice thing, wouldn't it the very least, And

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Speaker 2: even a suspension of this the killing, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: refreshing considering what's happened.

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Speaker 3: For the last two years.

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Speaker 2: We'll do news and more to follow slowly with you

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Speaker 2: on this Monday morning home of the best Bengals coverage,

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Speaker 2: seven hundred ww SINCNTI.

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Speaker 1: Want to be an American idiot.

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Speaker 2: Go building one to night. Do you see Lost on

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Speaker 2: Saturday or one on Saturday? The loss today on the Loss,

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Speaker 2: of course, is Jim Kelly Junior past Way at seventy two.

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Speaker 3: I've been fighting cancer a long time.

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Speaker 2: I was enjoyed listening to Jim along with Dan Horde

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Speaker 2: for what the last twenty years as the color analyst

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Speaker 2: for the UC Bearcats, and just so sad to hear

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Speaker 2: because he's such a good guy. But our thoughts in

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Speaker 2: pairs with that, Jim and his family, everyone in the

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Speaker 2: Bearcat family as well. Sloane here on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: If you watch the Bengals last night, lose, but lose

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Speaker 2: in a better way. Typically what you dose you hang

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Speaker 2: on for a minute before you cut over to NBC

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Speaker 2: and watch our boy talk about well last night's gale.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say I watched the whole thing in Kansas

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Speaker 2: City wind up winning last night, But you watch sixty

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Speaker 2: minutes on CBS and you always catch like the first

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes. I thought last night they had a

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Speaker 2: fascinating story on about China our front of me. China

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Speaker 2: has infiltrated some two hundred critical infrastructure operations in the US.

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Speaker 2: Water treatment plants, electrical grids, transportation, hospitals, telecommunications. Pretty scary

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Speaker 2: stuff that the incursions, these intrusions have been going on

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Speaker 2: for a while now and we haven't done anything about it.

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Speaker 2: Why because we're getting intel on what the Chinese may

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Speaker 2: or may not do as they can control some of

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Speaker 2: our critical infrastructure. We've talked about this before, but I

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Speaker 2: think when you start to hear two hundred or more

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Speaker 2: facilities in America could be under Chinese control in a

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Speaker 2: couple of keystrokes. That is a huge wake up call,

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Speaker 2: going what if they're doing this on sixty minutes? We

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Speaker 2: know the government's known about it for a while, and

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Speaker 2: we're allowing this to continue. And what happens in the

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Speaker 2: future on that is that Chris naiheis. Chris is the

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Speaker 2: CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity here in Cincinnati. Chris, welcome back,

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Speaker 2: are you.

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Speaker 5: Hiks, Scott.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: I'm well un till I saw this thing last night

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Speaker 2: after football for the Bengals loss. I'm like, well, wait,

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Speaker 2: what's going on here? So the idea here is that

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Speaker 2: China is lying dormant in two hundred these things. And

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Speaker 2: I think it was like a small some small town

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Speaker 2: in Massachusets. I forget where that it turned out. The

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Speaker 2: FBI shows up and tells the operator, the guy who's

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Speaker 2: in charge of it, Hey, listen, the Chinese have taken

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Speaker 2: control of your facility. You don't know that, but the

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Speaker 2: Chinese have digital control of your facility. So we know

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Speaker 2: that everything now is plug and play and it's the

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Speaker 2: Internet of things, and everything is controlled remotely and electronics.

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Speaker 2: So before we branch off into what they're doing and

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Speaker 2: how they're doing it. A water treatment plant, what could

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Speaker 2: go wrong if the computers are under control of the

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Speaker 2: Chinese and a water treatment.

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Speaker 6: Plant right sis the Littleton, Massachusetts, and a lot can

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Speaker 6: go wrong. Actually, I mean inside these water treatment plants,

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Speaker 6: you have different vats of chemicals. Those chemicals are mixed

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Speaker 6: together in different varying levels. You have fluoride, you have

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Speaker 6: all kinds of different things in there, chlorine. Those are

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Speaker 6: mixed together very precisely to make sure that the water

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Speaker 6: that we drank is clean, purify, it's refreshed when it

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Speaker 6: gets to us. If those systems, or the chemical interactions,

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Speaker 6: or even just the mounts the measurements are put into

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Speaker 6: water differently, it could be catastrophic. It can make our

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Speaker 6: water undrinkable, untenable, it could be it could make poisonous. Uh,

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Speaker 6: there's there's a lot of different things that can happen

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Speaker 6: inside a water treating plant.

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Speaker 3: And that's just a small town.

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Speaker 2: But imagine the massive sterea of a town of I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that ten twenty thousand people, If all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, your water's poisonous, and we would know

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Speaker 2: it because they program everything to make it look like

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Speaker 2: the tests are fine. I don't know if they do

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Speaker 2: physical manual tests and how often they do that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know the inter workings of water dream and PLA

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Speaker 2: would think so that somebody's going, hey there's something with

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Speaker 2: the right but it'd be too late for some people

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Speaker 2: who are drinking poison water.

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Speaker 5: That would be way too late.

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Speaker 6: And then the problem with the two is, I mean,

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Speaker 6: if you look at the way water works. We pump

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Speaker 6: water into our water towers, that creates the water pressure

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Speaker 6: into our cities, but you'd have the entire system would

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Speaker 6: be contaminated. And you know, it just makes even if

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Speaker 6: even if no one drank it, even if the system

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Speaker 6: was contaminated, you have you have a major problem. And

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Speaker 6: to your point, you know they're doing so much automation.

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Speaker 6: Now you know all all of the chemical you know,

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Speaker 6: you know the chemical measurements, the purification, it's all it's

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Speaker 6: all automated. The testing is mostly automated. They do spot

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Speaker 6: checks and things like that, but there's sensors throughout the

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Speaker 6: entire line that determine temperature, it determines there's different chemicals.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you've even seen recently where they can see

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Speaker 6: if COVID is spiking up inside you know, different cities

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Speaker 6: because of what's coming in to waste treatment plants. So

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Speaker 6: there's there's a lot of different sensors there, but like

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Speaker 6: you said, those sensors can be modified so that that

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Speaker 6: way it gives incorrect information and then people don't know,

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Speaker 6: you know, the monitors aren't going to trigger off.

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Speaker 2: That's something you can make boiling water look like it's

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Speaker 2: freezing water based on what the what the sensor's on,

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Speaker 2: to reprogram all that stuff, and no one to know

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Speaker 2: until it's all sadly too late and you got to

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Speaker 2: shut them and go down and figure out what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And that's just in one small town in Massachusetts, and

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Speaker 2: then there's at least one hundred and ninety nine others

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Speaker 2: and other water treatment plants, but electrical goods, transportation, hospitals,

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Speaker 2: all these things I mentioned, And what's interesting about it

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Speaker 2: is there they said there's about two hundred that they've

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Speaker 2: identified since twenty twenty three. I suspect, like anything, the

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Speaker 2: two hundred the most obvious ones. How many more do

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Speaker 2: you think are out there?

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Speaker 6: Oh? I would say in every critical city, we work

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Speaker 6: a lot in critical infrastructure, A lot of my background

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Speaker 6: is in critical infrastructure, and you know, even back in

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Speaker 6: the early two thousands, I was working with them money

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Speaker 6: control systems and you could see that those systems were

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Speaker 6: trying to be attacked, and I would say that was

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Speaker 6: my wake up call. That you know, not wake up call,

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Speaker 6: but at the moment I realized how evil this could

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Speaker 6: be because in those situations, what we were seeing is

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Speaker 6: someone attacking back then our Windows ninety five systems, and

867
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 6: they were attacking these really old operating systems. It was,

868
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 6: you know, not old at the time, but these systems

869
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 6: were connected to these valves that could you know, from

870
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 6: the system, you could open a valve and it would

871
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 6: be a release valve. You could release ammonia, and ammonia

872
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 6: actually can melt people's lungs. So you know, when I

873
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 6: saw that happen, like whoa wait a second. And that's

874
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 6: what really made me get into this industry because for me,

875
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 6: it's about making sure that we protect the United States right,

876
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 6: and one of the things we have to be really

877
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 6: aware of is that we're not doing a great job

878
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 6: of it because they're everywhere so well.

879
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: The problem is this right we have decentralize unlike China,

880
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: everything's centralized in China. Here it's decentralized. So you've got

881
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: small municipalities, and I'm guessing that a lot of these

882
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: two hundred chris are small municipalities that don't have the budget.

883
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: And you know, fifty grand to them may not be

884
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: a lot to the state of Ohio or the United

885
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: States of America, but fifty grand to a small community

886
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: is a lot of money. That's what it costs us

887
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: one small town to redo all their infrastructure to essentially

888
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: make what the Chinese did moot. And on top of that,

889
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, paying for new equipment and getting taxpayers to

890
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: put the money for the latest and greatest servers and

891
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: technology isn't always an easy sell. People don't make that

892
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: connection until while it's too late. We don't want to

893
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: spend that time. Why are we spending more money. We

894
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: just updated these computers and our systems have been updated,

895
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: and we don't need to do that anywhere. Why are

896
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: we spending so much on people like, for example, the

897
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: contract with vigil and cybersecurity.

898
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a huge cost item right there, and.

899
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: So we tend to cut away all of that help

900
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: and all those people in safety Net and then something

901
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: like this happens and we want more of it.

902
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 5: Right.

903
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 6: Well, see, here's the problem is that i'll and I'll

904
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 6: make some bold statements here. You know, we talked about

905
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 6: before you got to wonder you know why. You know,

906
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 6: like the average time it takes to detect the threat.

907
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: Un Bising comes up with the report every year. It's

908
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 6: a great report, but the average time it takes the

909
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 6: detective threat today someone comes into your environment. The average

910
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 6: time it takes for most cybersecurity technologies, right, this is

911
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 6: the average, right, two and eighty seven days, right. And

912
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 6: so the biggest problem is that a lot of companies

913
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 6: are buying technology that seems to work because it's a

914
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 6: brand name, we're a big non name, but it doesn't

915
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 6: actually do what it's supposed to. And so you end

916
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: up with these hackers and these environments that are there forever,

917
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 6: and what they really want to do in any warfare

918
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 6: scenario is they want persistence. So what happens is these

919
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 6: attackers come in, they trigger an event so that your

920
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 6: security systems see it, you go do an inctant response.

921
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 6: But what they're really doing is they're embedding themselves per

922
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 6: persistence for later. While they're triggering a fake incident, right

923
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 6: or a real incident that you go work. The second

924
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: problem is that companies, you know, use their security technologies

925
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 6: that they use as badges, and the security companies that

926
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 6: work with them also use them as badges. So what

927
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 6: I mean by that is, you know, they'll put their

928
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 6: logos up on their website, they'll you know, the security

929
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 6: providers will do that. So that tells you the hacker

930
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 6: exactly what technology is used. And then the third thing

931
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 6: that happens, especially in these municipalities, is when they're buying things,

932
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 6: they're buying things under committee or approval with their cities municipalities,

933
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: and so those are all open meetings, and so if

934
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 6: I'm a Chinese threat actor, I can come in, I

935
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 6: can know exactly I mean, in the state of California,

936
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 6: you can go out. There's a law that requires them

937
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 6: to do this. It lists everything any city, every single

938
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 6: technology they buy was from a cyber standpoint, is on

939
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 6: a list, so they can an attacker can easily go

940
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 6: to a water treatment plant see exactly what they use,

941
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 6: and they just they just know how to attack them.

942
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 6: So the you wrap all that up, and I think

943
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 6: here in the United States we don't understand warfare in

944
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 6: the private sector very well. And in China they do,

945
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 6: and in Russia they do. Outside US they do. We

946
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 6: just don't understand it here because we US citizens are

947
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 6: so comfortable with not interfacing with evil, right well.

948
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: Because we are commerce right, small businesses, We're we're business people,

949
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: so we understand that we don't see that as you know,

950
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: the competition, but not in the arena that the Chinese

951
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: do because of that centralization element too. And so Chris

952
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: nineheis is here CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity, in the

953
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: sixty minutes thing last night, that there's some two hundred

954
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: plus critical infrastructure operations. We're talking electrical, we're talking water

955
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: treatment plants and the like that essentially are under Chinese control.

956
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: And so what they did is they've infiltrated that infrastructure

957
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: and now they're just laying dormant. They're not shutting it

958
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: down like some I don't know, if you have malware,

959
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: which we've talked about before in the past, right you

960
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: shut them down cattering health for example, pay me my

961
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: money and I'll open everything back up.

962
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: Or maybe not.

963
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: Some other actor gets in there and just wants to

964
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: be disruptive and destroy things and shut it down and

965
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: put some sort of political or anti state message on

966
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. We've seen that this is different.

967
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: They're actually lying in wait. It's like a trojan horse.

968
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: They're watching what you're doing online. They're watching the systems

969
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: that you have in place and in the future if

970
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: they need to, when they need to, when they will,

971
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: they will by doing all the stuff we talked about,

972
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: and multiply that by hundreds more. And you've got real

973
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: problems here in America that they're sitting there just watching

974
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: and wait and lying dormant, and our own infrastructure and

975
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: most of us have no idea they're there.

976
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And the reason you know, you and you know,

977
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 6: we don't know all the details of Littleton, but you

978
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 6: know we spent fifty thousand dollars to rebuild his network.

979
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 6: I would say he didn't really he may not have

980
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 6: actually even had to do that if he had the

981
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 6: ability to see what was what was embedded. As in

982
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 6: this environment, you don't have to swap out all of

983
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 6: your systems, but if you don't have the ability to

984
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 6: see what's there, then you do. You have to start

985
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 6: all over. But the big problem there is he may

986
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 6: not know how they actually got in, so he may

987
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 6: have just rebuilt his entire environment. And this happens with

988
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 6: a lot of companies. I'm not saying that Littleton did this,

989
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 6: but they'll rebuild their whole environment. They don't know exactly

990
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 6: how they actor got in, and then they get in

991
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 6: again and they just wasted all that money. Oh god, yeah,

992
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 6: you know. And yeah, right. The other thing too, Scott,

993
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 6: that happens and this is this happens with a lot

994
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: of our power generators. A lot of those does come

995
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 6: from China, right, they have a better you know, the

996
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 6: transformers things like that, they have a year and a

997
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 6: half way time to get those We've already found you know,

998
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 6: when they when those things have come in. Not we vigilant,

999
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 6: but you know particularly but you as government has found

1000
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 6: that there's malware inside those systems already. Right, Uh, just

1001
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 6: straight out, straight straight coming over. So the thing that

1002
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 6: we we just have to be a lot more aware

1003
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 6: of is that, uh, you know, we're going down a

1004
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 6: path that we have all these back doors in a

1005
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 6: critical comfrastruction. Now I'll say this, now we have that

1006
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 6: as well, right, so you know, we do the same

1007
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 6: thing around the world, you know, and we're doing.

1008
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: What they're doing, right. That's so that's why I went here,

1009
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: is like, well, we're doing it too, but.

1010
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 6: It doesn't make it better, No, no, because I get

1011
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 6: on our side. Yeah, I think for us to be

1012
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 6: embedded over there, totally get it. We want to. It's

1013
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 6: like an arms race, right who could be embedded the

1014
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 6: most because in any case, it's whoever can hit the

1015
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 6: button first, right, and and there's a couple of different

1016
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 6: things that can take place in that. But the big

1017
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 6: thing is to realize is that you know, this, this

1018
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 6: is a this is the hidden war, and cyber warfare

1019
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 6: has already happened. We're already in that, but you know,

1020
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 6: most of us don't realize it. And in the critical

1021
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 6: infrastructure world or even the you know, the small business,

1022
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 6: medium sized business world in the United States, it makes

1023
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 6: up like eighty percent of our financial stability here in

1024
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 6: the US. And so you know, if you want to

1025
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 6: take out hospitals, go and bed yourself in hospitals. You

1026
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 6: want to take out water, go and bed yourself in water.

1027
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 6: You want to take out the financial sector, the United States,

1028
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 6: go after small medium sized businesses that normally don't have

1029
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 6: the protection they need, right, right, and then you just

1030
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 6: took down the entire country and.

1031
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: You do it with some keystrokes. You don't fire one shot,

1032
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: but you do it remotely via computer. So we had

1033
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: two hundred of these infrastructure operations that were a compromised, right,

1034
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: And now it's on sixty minutes. And I'm guessing that

1035
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: the Chinese have known that We've known about this for

1036
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: a while before it gets on sixty most sure, right,

1037
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, in the month, in the months that that's happened,

1038
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: where our years even where they're exposed that and moved,

1039
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: what's that? What's happening right now as we speak? Then

1040
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: more of the same, less of the same or a

1041
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: different same.

1042
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 6: It's more the same, yeah, I mean it's you know

1043
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 6: the Yeah, it's just it just continues on and inside

1044
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 6: these environments, that's where worker happens. We we found this

1045
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 6: was a couple years back, we found a Chinese threacture

1046
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 6: group that bounced through the United States UH entity out

1047
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 6: to another country, right, And what they were trying to

1048
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 6: make it look like is that the attack was coming

1049
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 6: from the United States to that other country. So the

1050
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 6: you know, you have that issue as well, is where

1051
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 6: you know, China will act like Russia. Russill act like

1052
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 6: China ran axt right like Russia. You know, you're trying

1053
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: to really tie it back to whoever is actually really attacking, right,

1054
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 6: But the big key here and you you mentioned as well,

1055
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 6: you mentioned kettering health. Right, we've seemed significant aspects where

1056
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 6: malware is, you know, in ransomware is used to come

1057
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 6: into an environment, create a distraction, and then allow people

1058
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 6: to be embedded. And most, like I was saying, most

1059
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 6: security technology out there is built to detect things that

1060
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 6: it knows about, not to always detect things that are unknown.

1061
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 6: So if you can attack someone embed yourself in a

1062
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 6: way that isn't known yet or isn't detectable yet, you

1063
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 6: can hide and wait. And especially if it's like a

1064
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 6: you know, in a triggered thing that's based on a timer,

1065
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 6: like maybe that connection reaches back out every month or

1066
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 6: every two months. You know, it's a single ping in

1067
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 6: the midst of millions of connections. It's really hard to find.

1068
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 6: So you know, a lot of the ransomware or malware,

1069
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 6: those are the things like if you're an organization, you've

1070
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 6: had ransomware or malware just fighting that is not the

1071
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 6: end of your back You now have to comb through

1072
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 6: your infrastructure and find out is there a back door

1073
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 6: that was put in during that attack, because you know, ransomware,

1074
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: like I said, is being used a lot. Is just

1075
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 6: that distraction now and you know and also too it's

1076
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 6: funding terrorism. You know, they just put these groups do

1077
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 6: they come in, they do ransomware, they fund terrorism, they

1078
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Speaker 6: create a backdoor, and now they're embedded.

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Speaker 3: And they'll be to continue can and mouse game like this.

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Speaker 2: And in the fear, of course, is one day if

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Speaker 2: if we are at odds and a war with the

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Speaker 2: Chinese or whatever transpire, they they can shut down a

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Speaker 2: significant portion of of what it is we have our infrastructure.

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Speaker 6: And if you tease, will they be able to execute

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Speaker 6: that plan? I mean, I think we're already seeing some

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Speaker 6: of that. I think Colonial Pipeline was a good example

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Speaker 6: of that. You know a few years ago, and I

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Speaker 6: talked about that.

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Speaker 5: You know, there.

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Speaker 6: Were you know, there's there's inside of these pipelines, there's sensors.

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Speaker 6: You can take over the sensors, you can heat them

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Speaker 6: up and explode the pipeline. You know, like I said earlier,

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Speaker 6: money control system, water water treatment plants, I think when

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Speaker 6: we when we see these isolated attacks, you know, quote

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Speaker 6: unquote isolated attacks, I think that those are just tests, right,

1096
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Speaker 6: I think they're hey, how far can we go? Right?

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Speaker 6: I mean we and again you see those things happening

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Speaker 6: around the world. I think we do our own tests also,

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Speaker 6: you know, uh, you know, but you know, and it's

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Speaker 6: just to show each other, Hey, I'm here and I

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Speaker 6: can do that. But I think in the United States

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Speaker 6: we have to be much more careful and aware that

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Speaker 6: just putting the security technology in doesn't mean that it's

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Speaker 6: going to find what we're actually looking for. And we

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Speaker 6: have to be much more educated as business owners into

1106
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Speaker 6: what is really happening in our environments, especially if we

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Speaker 6: support companies like a General Electric. You know, if you're

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Speaker 6: a city, if you're a community, a business here in

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Speaker 6: Cincinnati that supports General Electric, highly likely you're going to

1110
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Speaker 6: get attacked before they will because they'll try to come

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Speaker 6: through you to get to them, right ye uh. You know,

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Speaker 6: Especially if you're an HVAC company or you're a you know,

1113
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Speaker 6: you're you're you're you're you're building plans for them, you know,

1114
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 6: to build out a facility or whatever. Highly likely you're

1115
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Speaker 6: you're going to get attacked. If you are a business

1116
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Speaker 6: that creates a part for you know, a defense industry

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Speaker 6: or for uh parttery gamble, right, that's really critical to

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Speaker 6: their system, chances are you're going to be attacked and

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Speaker 6: and so got it. You have to be a lot

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Speaker 6: more hyper aware. You know that that what?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So got it?

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Speaker 2: He's Chris Nihi, CEO of Cincidna based Vigilant Cybersecurity. Go

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Speaker 2: to the CBS or sixty minutes so you can watch

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Speaker 2: this whole piece. It really is fascinated, uh in how

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Speaker 2: embedded the Chinese air system? Chris, all the best, Thanks again,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Scott all right, being well, got to get

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Speaker 2: the news running late. Just a few minutes away, we

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Speaker 2: got Julie age Mental Health Monday here next. If you're

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Speaker 2: a procrastinator, she's going to be talking about you and

1130
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Speaker 2: to you. Just ahead on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 7: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here

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Speaker 7: to help us get our heads right.

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Speaker 2: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hettershire.

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Speaker 2: I love this topic especially you heard of paralysis by analysis,

1135
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: overthinking and overthinking and thinking and thinking and thinking and

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Speaker 2: then thinking some more and then not doing anything. How

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Speaker 2: do you convert that into action from a place of inaction?

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Speaker 3: Julie is here.

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Speaker 2: It's Mental Health Monday on the Scottslan Show on seven

1140
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Speaker 2: hundred ww if she's a licensed mental health therapist here

1141
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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and Clifton, And welcome back.

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Speaker 3: How's your week? Everything good?

1143
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 9: Hey, everything's great?

1144
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Speaker 6: How about you?

1145
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Speaker 3: Everything's fine? Thank you? We overthinking things?

1146
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 5: Wait?

1147
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Speaker 3: I think do most people tend to be overthinking?

1148
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: It seems like very few people are, like Trump, for example,

1149
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: watching the motorcade arrive in Egypt for the peace summit,

1150
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Speaker 2: and there's a guy who's very decisive, right, we love

1151
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: him or hate him. You look at him, go, he's

1152
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 2: gonna make a decision. He's gonna go this is it.

1153
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: And even if it's the wrong decision, I'll never admit that.

1154
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Speaker 2: He says, I make a decision. I'm moving on to

1155
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Speaker 2: something else. Very few people have that ability, don't they?

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Speaker 9: Well, And I'm not sure that we would want a

1157
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 9: whole lot of people to be that that decisive, right, right?

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Speaker 9: We kind of want people who give things some thought

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00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 9: and some consideration and an appropriate amount of due diligence

1160
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 9: and research. But there are people who tend to be

1161
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 9: more decisive slash impulsive, and people who tend to be

1162
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 9: more conscientious slash overthinkers slash anxious, And that's sort of

1163
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Speaker 9: what we're talking about today. I tend to fall on

1164
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Speaker 9: the more decisive impulsive end of the spectrum.

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Speaker 8: How about you?

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Speaker 2: I have no It depends on the day, depends on

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00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: the situation. Like there's some things I want to do,

1168
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: it's like long term, but other stuff keep getting in

1169
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: the way of me doing that.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe that's an excuse. I don't know.

1171
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: I go, well, I got all this other I want

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Speaker 2: to do this, this and this, but I haven't done

1173
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: it in a while because I've got all this other

1174
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: stuff going on. Well, how do you categorize that?

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Speaker 9: Well, so, is that being too busy or is that

1176
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 9: getting stuck in a loop inside your head and not

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Speaker 9: moving off square one because you're thinking too.

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Speaker 5: Hard about it?

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Speaker 2: Probably probably a lot of Probably a lot of it. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's busy, but it's like I have an excuse. It's

1181
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Speaker 2: cover right, is it not doing something going I don't know.

1182
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: I should do this, but I don't know if I

1183
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Speaker 2: really want to do it. And maybe that's also part

1184
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Speaker 2: of it too, is just as meaning you know what,

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Speaker 2: Other than saying no, it's just not right for me,

1186
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: you can procrastinate more and pretend to be I'm too

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Speaker 2: busy to be decisive.

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Speaker 9: Yes, So overthinking can lead to procrastination, and procrastination can

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Speaker 9: partly be caused by overthinking. There are other reasons people procrastinate.

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Speaker 9: But when we're talking about overthinking, what we're really talking

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Speaker 9: about is people who get stuck in this loop inside

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Speaker 9: their head and have a hard time making any kind

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Speaker 9: of remove on a topic or in any area of

1194
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 9: their life because they're thinking through all of the what ifs,

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00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 9: all of the worst case scenarios. They're doing research on

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Speaker 9: every possible option out there, and as we know, there

1197
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Speaker 9: are a million billion possible options in the world for

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Speaker 9: almost anything we want. And these are people who just

1199
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Speaker 9: get stuck and can't seem to move and get so

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Speaker 9: worked up about any decision they make and at having

1201
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 9: to be perfect or go exactly right that they end

1202
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Speaker 9: up not doing things that they otherwise would want to do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what you're saying is it's pretty common to

1204
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: have those things where if there's things in life, a

1205
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Speaker 2: few things where you're like I'll just kick the cad

1206
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Speaker 2: and then it starts to encompass everything in life. Can't

1207
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Speaker 2: make a decision on like you know what flavor coffee

1208
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Speaker 2: I want this morning, or if I'm super solid with

1209
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: by Lodge. You can't make a decision on anything. That's

1210
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Speaker 2: a problem.

1211
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Speaker 9: Yes, I have a client I've been working with for

1212
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Speaker 9: a while, a couple, and one of them is stuck

1213
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Speaker 9: on what they're going to tile their bathroom with. And

1214
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Speaker 9: their bathroom has been in a state of disrepair for

1215
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Speaker 9: weeks and weeks and weeks because she can't make up

1216
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Speaker 9: her mind about what Chile to put in the bathroom.

1217
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Speaker 9: She always has to look at other options and what

1218
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Speaker 9: if there's something better out there, and what if this

1219
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 9: doesn't hold up as well? Or what if I get

1220
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 9: tired of the color, And so their bathroom has been

1221
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Speaker 9: largely unusable for weeks longer than it needed to be

1222
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Speaker 9: because she can't commit to a tile choice.

1223
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Speaker 2: It's that kind of thing, easy, black and white, timeless next.

1224
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Speaker 6: Exactly.

1225
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Speaker 9: See, that's where your decisive, That's where I would be decisive.

1226
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Speaker 9: That's where somebody who's prone to overthinking get stuck in

1227
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Speaker 9: a loop about it needing to be the right.

1228
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Speaker 3: Decision, Yeah, it's fine.

1229
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 9: And not knowing what the right decision is.

1230
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Speaker 3: There's no right decision. Just pick one and go with it.

1231
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to do something simple and the time white

1232
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Speaker 2: and black always will be timeless.

1233
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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get in like gold colored, then

1235
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Speaker 2: that's that's going to be short her shelf life. But

1236
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Speaker 2: black and white will always be in at some point.

1237
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Speaker 2: So where does that come from though? Why does it happen?

1238
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Speaker 6: Well, a couple of things.

1239
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Speaker 9: People who are prone to anxiety and prone to be

1240
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Speaker 9: more conscient tend to be overthinkers, and we understand that

1241
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 9: that's a temperament that comes very early in life, almost

1242
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 9: from birth, the tendency toward anxiety and conscientiousness. But also

1243
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 9: there have been people whose past life experiences have led

1244
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 9: them to believe that making the wrong decision has really

1245
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 9: awful consequences. And you know, like parents who would say regularly,

1246
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Speaker 9: what were you thinking? Why didn't you think that through enough?

1247
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 9: It would have gone so much better if you'd thought

1248
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Speaker 9: that through. Maybe true, But also what that message is

1249
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 9: is if you think hard enough, you'll find the right

1250
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 9: decision and things won't go wrong versus Okay, so this

1251
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 9: went wrong. What can you do differently next time? How

1252
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 9: can you salvage this? Not about the recovery, but about

1253
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Speaker 9: presenting it in the first place. So people who've had

1254
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 9: life experiences that weren't really badly when they didn't think

1255
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Speaker 9: things through enough tend to be.

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Speaker 2: Gunshy, gotcha, because there's consequences fear of failure.

1257
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Speaker 9: Fear of failure exactly, lack of belief in self to

1258
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Speaker 9: be able to deal with whatever consequences come their way.

1259
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Speaker 9: So one of the things that I say often is

1260
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Speaker 9: I'm an adult with a cell phone and a credit card.

1261
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Speaker 9: I can make almost anything happen. And you know, really,

1262
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 9: I can make almost anything happen. So from my perspective,

1263
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 9: if something doesn't go according to plan, I can regroup,

1264
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 9: I can think, I can pivot, I can come up

1265
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 9: with something else. That's my perception. But other people don't

1266
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Speaker 9: necessarily have that mindset, And if they don't believe in

1267
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 9: themselves to be able to pivot, and they haven't had

1268
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Speaker 9: enough failure to learn that they actually can recover from it,

1269
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 9: the idea of failure can prevent them from taking any

1270
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Speaker 9: kind of action in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just had a raw nerve there talking to

1272
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Speaker 2: friends this weekend and one of them's involved. And I

1273
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: want to say the business name names here. But we

1274
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: have a generation of people in the workplace and high

1275
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: level positions there are a fear of any criticism whatsoever,

1276
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: like as much as like, hey, you know you've got

1277
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: the wrong name, I don't know, some sort of report,

1278
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: let's say, and you know, they lose their mind, like,

1279
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've been criticized, and now they call

1280
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Speaker 2: Michelle and hr is involved. I mean, I'm not exaggerating,

1281
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Speaker 2: that's actually happening. And that's frightening. Like literally, you're at

1282
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: a job and you're meeting with people and someone your

1283
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: superior says, hey, listen, you made a mistake on this.

1284
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Speaker 3: Can you fix it?

1285
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: And it turns into some sort of attack on their

1286
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: big can't take criticism at all. And we've got workplaces

1287
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Speaker 2: full of people like that. That's scary as hell. Not

1288
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Speaker 2: to diminish the topicking out in the weeds here, but

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Speaker 2: that's more common than people would think.

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Speaker 9: It's very common. And when you have a workplace that

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Speaker 9: values perfectionism over innovation, over novelty, over experimentation, over doing

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Speaker 9: something imperfect in a timely manner, and moving forward. Then

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Speaker 9: it creates and sustains this belief that everything has to

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Speaker 9: be exactly as expected in order for it to be good,

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Speaker 9: and the consequences are dire if not. And again, if

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Speaker 9: you have someone or a generation of people who haven't

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Speaker 9: really been allowed to fail because they were raised by

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Speaker 9: helicopter parents or snowplow parents, then the idea of failure

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Speaker 9: becomes outsized to the reality of it. You know, we've

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Speaker 9: all screwed things up and we've all had to pivot

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Speaker 9: and make amends and figure it out. But the idea

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Speaker 9: of failure becomes so outsized to the reality of it

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Speaker 9: that they get stuck in their heads on this endless

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Speaker 9: loop of I have to do more research, I have

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Speaker 9: to do more research, I have to read this again,

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Speaker 9: I have to edit this again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't have to be perfect, but you got

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Speaker 3: to make a decision.

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Speaker 2: Julie how to share our licensed mental health therapist, Mental

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Speaker 2: Health Monday and the Scott Sloan Show. It's paralysis by analysis.

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Speaker 2: People will overthink and how you stop overthinking and take

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Speaker 2: action as what we're talking about. Okay, so we got

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Speaker 2: into the whys and how big it is it? How

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Speaker 2: do you break the cycle.

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Speaker 9: Well, there are a couple things you can do.

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Speaker 8: There are a few things.

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Speaker 9: One of the things that I really like to counsel

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Speaker 9: people to do is set a time limit for when

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Speaker 9: you're going to make a decision. I'm going to research

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Speaker 9: so to use the tile example, I'm going to research

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Speaker 9: tile over the weekend, and by Monday, I'm going to

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Speaker 9: have a decision that.

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Speaker 6: Is placed in order.

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Speaker 9: So set yourself a time limit that you choose to

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Speaker 9: adhere to that gives you some sense of urgency, gives

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Speaker 9: you some time to do the research and the thinking

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Speaker 9: that you need, but doesn't keep you stuck in that loop.

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Speaker 9: Another thing that can really be helpful is focusing on

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Speaker 9: just the next step. People who overthink tend to think

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Speaker 9: seventeen steps down the road. So I'll do this, and

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Speaker 9: then I'll do this, and then I'll go like this,

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Speaker 9: and then I'll go like this, and they're trying to

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Speaker 9: predict the outcome. Focusing on the next step. We don't

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Speaker 9: need to see the whole ladder. We don't need to

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Speaker 9: see the whole road. We just need to take the

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Speaker 9: next step up or down the road can be really

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Speaker 9: helpful too, because that is a more manageable chunk of

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Speaker 9: information and a more manageable chunk of it action for

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Speaker 9: people to deal with, then the entire project. You know,

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Speaker 9: the question, how do you need an elephant one bite

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Speaker 9: at a time. You have to just take these small

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Speaker 9: chunks that can be helpful too, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Break things down in yeah. Like the tile example is like, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: let's just focus on the floor tile.

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Speaker 3: Let's pick that and go out for it rather than

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Speaker 3: everything else.

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Speaker 9: Got it right, exactly. Another thing that happens when people

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Speaker 9: get into this overthinking anxiety loop is they think worst

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Speaker 9: case scenario and they think of all the things that

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Speaker 9: could go wrong. And so what we know about our

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Speaker 9: brains is if they try not to think of the

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Speaker 9: things that could go wrong. If we're wired to think

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Speaker 9: worst case scenario and we try not to, that doesn't

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Speaker 9: work very well. So what I tell my clients to

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Speaker 9: do is you're allowed to think of the worst case scenario,

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Speaker 9: and then you have to think of at least three

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Speaker 9: other things that are not the worst case scenario. So

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Speaker 9: go worst case first, and then broaden your thinking to

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Speaker 9: think of three other possible comes that aren't that, just

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Speaker 9: to broaden the idea that it could be this, but

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Speaker 9: it could be this, or it could be the other,

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Speaker 9: or it could be this other thing. Okay, broadening that

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Speaker 9: scope helps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So also does the fact that if you just make

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Speaker 2: a bunch of small decisions that then do you get

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Speaker 2: confidence making bigger decisions.

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Speaker 3: Does it work that.

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Speaker 9: Way, Yes, yes it does. So you build momentum, you

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Speaker 9: do something and it goes right, and you realize, oh,

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Speaker 9: I am a good decision maker. I can't figure this out.

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Speaker 9: You do something else it goes right. I can't. Or

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Speaker 9: you do something and it goes wrong and you figure

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Speaker 9: it out and you fix it and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 9: when things go wrong, it's not as bad as I

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Speaker 9: thought it was. Do you build confidence in your own

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Speaker 9: decision making, in your own problem solving?

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Speaker 3: Gotcha? Would you agree that?

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Speaker 2: I think for a lot of folks that overthink and

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Speaker 2: don't take action, which is a lot a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: is that you don't have to have every detail in

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Speaker 2: every angle completely figured out before you start a project exactly,

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 9: Can figure out some key things and then let what

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Speaker 9: happens happen and figure the rest of it out as

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Speaker 9: you go along. And I tell people to think about

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Speaker 9: it not as what should I do? But what are

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Speaker 9: all the things I could do? Not how should I

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Speaker 9: do this? But how could I do this? Because should

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Speaker 9: is like a yes no, and could is a broader

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Speaker 9: perspective to take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, you don't need to figure it

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Speaker 2: out for a start going ahead. Sure, why not go

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Speaker 2: with that for now? But it's easier said than done, right,

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Speaker 2: It's that first step is really really hard for people.

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Speaker 9: It can be really hard for people, and that's why

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Speaker 9: I encourage people to micodose discomfort. Try doing some things

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Speaker 9: that are small that make you a little uncomfortable, that

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Speaker 9: move you just a skosh out of your comfort zone,

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Speaker 9: and see how you handle it. Try to increase your

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Speaker 9: tolerance for uncertainty and discomfort and messiness in your life

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Speaker 9: so that you can become more resilient and you can

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Speaker 9: think more wrongly and you can have more options available

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Speaker 9: to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's I guess human discomfort.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's against human nature right as we want

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Speaker 2: to be surrounded by comfort, which is the whole thing

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Speaker 2: with child rearing when we talk about helicopters and plot parents,

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Speaker 2: it's about making your life comfortable as comfortable as possible.

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Speaker 2: But adversity builds character, it's so true, but it also

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Speaker 2: prepares you to make decisions. And these are the really

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Speaker 2: negative consequences of that attitude of protecting you from everything

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Speaker 2: and not preparing you for anything.

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Speaker 9: Correct. Yes, there's this thing called post traumatic growth. We've

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Speaker 9: all heard of post traumatic stress. There's this thing called

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Speaker 9: post traumatic growth where when something goes wrong.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't have to be big trauma. When something goes.

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Speaker 9: Wrong in our lives, we can grow from that. We

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Speaker 9: can gain resilience, we can gain confidence, we can gain

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Speaker 9: skills or knowledge or expect You gain a lot from

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Speaker 9: when things go wrong. We don't just gain from when

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Speaker 9: things go right. In fact, some of the greatest lessons

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Speaker 9: most of us have learned have been when something didn't go.

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Speaker 8: According to plan right.

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Speaker 3: She's July had what iss?

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Speaker 2: Youre a licensed mental health therapist from a be Connected

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Speaker 2: dot Care. That's let her be connected and she's out

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Speaker 2: of a clift and you're going to reach out future

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Speaker 2: topic or concern, comment or question. Hey Julie at be

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Speaker 2: Connected dot Care. It's mental Health Monday with Julietge. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: you and we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 3: Have a great a few days. We will take care.

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Speaker 2: Thanks all, right, stop overthinking and get off your butt

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Speaker 2: and start doing Stuffquit talking, start doing. I guess that's

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Speaker 2: the bottom line here. We'll get a news update in

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Speaker 2: the President is now in Egypt for the peace summit there,

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Speaker 2: and so far, so good in the hours that have

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Speaker 2: happened since the piece has been brokere we have that

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Speaker 2: going on a little closer to home here in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: we just learned about the passing not long ago of

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Speaker 2: the live of the legend himself, Jim Kelly Junior, of course,

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Speaker 2: Bearcat Hall of Famer passing away. I believe at the

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Speaker 2: age of seventy two, been battling sickness for a while.

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Speaker 2: But the longtime color analyst to Dan Horde's play by play,

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Speaker 2: he's been out for a little while anyway, but he'll

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Speaker 2: be sadly missed. Jim Kelly Junior passing away today, and

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Speaker 2: our thoughts and prayers with the Kelly family and everyone

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Speaker 2: down on Clifton this morning. Scott's Loan show on the

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Speaker 2: Home of the Best Bangles coverage ann Home of the Cats,

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WWD SINCNAT.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: Scott flowing back on seven hundred WLW Who have a

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Speaker 2: deal Israel. Israel and Kalestine have a peace deal. All

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Speaker 2: the living hostages in Gaza been released for about two

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Speaker 2: thousand prisoners in Israel. Thousands of Palestinians and walked to

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Speaker 2: northern Gaza to try and find what happened to their

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Speaker 2: loved ones and their homes. And Trump addressed the Israeli

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Speaker 2: parliament earlier today to large cheers. Also, some protests are

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Speaker 2: brokering the peace deal entering two years of wards, then

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Speaker 2: the two years of war. He's meeting in Egypt with

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Speaker 2: the leaders of more than twenty countries.

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Speaker 3: That's what next.

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Speaker 2: As he takes as much as their victory lap, the

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Speaker 2: question is is this a lasting piece. Abdullah Hayek is

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Speaker 2: a Middle East analyst and consultant and is a peace

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Speaker 2: fellow at the Young Voices. Abdullah, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 10: How are you good morning, Scott, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 6: How are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: So is this just is this the end of the

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Speaker 2: war or is this a loud cease fire and we're

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Speaker 2: going to pick this up in a few weeks, a

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Speaker 2: few months, maybe a few years.

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Speaker 10: Well, so far it seems that the war in Gaza

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Speaker 10: is indefinitely over. We've seen Trump's confidence apparent when he

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Speaker 10: was addressing the press aboard Air Force one en route

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Speaker 10: to Israel, and a reporter I believe it was Caitlin

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Speaker 10: Collins from CNN asked the president, you say the war's done.

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Speaker 10: Nataniello says it hasn't, and it just tells her, do

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Speaker 10: you understand.

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Speaker 5: Me, it's done. It's just done. The war is done.

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Speaker 10: So it seems that the President is pretty adamant that

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Speaker 10: he wants.

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Speaker 5: To end the war in Gaza, and.

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Speaker 10: So far, with the three past ceasefire attempts.

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Speaker 5: Over the past two years.

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Speaker 10: This particular ceasefire seems to be successful because Hamas has

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Speaker 10: actually participated and budged and went through with at least

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Speaker 10: the first successful phase one of it. Thankfully, the twenty

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Speaker 10: living hostages are freed. Now that's the first step. The

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Speaker 10: Israeli hostilities, the offensive operations, bombing, military participation in the

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Speaker 10: strip have ended, and the humanitarian car door has proceeded.

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Speaker 10: So I think what matters now is within the next

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Speaker 10: few hours when Trump departs Israel and goes to Egypt

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Speaker 10: and meets with twenty other world leaders as you just mentioned,

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Speaker 10: and We'll see what the next steps will be, but

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Speaker 10: so far, so good.

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Speaker 2: Well, the good news is you have pretty much the

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Speaker 2: rest of the Middle East on board with this. The outlier, though,

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Speaker 2: would be Iran as the largest state sponsored terrorist operation

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Speaker 2: in Iran, whether or not Hamas continues, albeit maybe in

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Speaker 2: a different form, but continues.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be up to them, isn't it.

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01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 5: Well.

1506
01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 10: I doubt that Hamas will play any role in GDZ

1507
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 10: the any day after this. The popularity amongst the Gazen

1508
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 10: people themselves has extremely diminished. They are extremely unpopular, They

1509
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 10: are unwanted. Iran has shown its cards to the region

1510
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 10: that whoever seeks to shade under it really gets forsaken.

1511
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 10: Hamas has been literally left to center itself. Hezbollah has

1512
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 10: been destroyed by Israel without any real aid from Iran.

1513
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,480
Speaker 10: The outside regime, as we've seen in December, just crumbled

1514
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 10: in a matter of eleven days, and the hoopies have

1515
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 10: literally been smacked by everyone in the region, and Iran

1516
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 10: hasn't done anything. The only time Iran fights back is

1517
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 10: what it's hit itself. So I don't think that Iranian

1518
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 10: influence over Hamas is going to be as it was

1519
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 10: prior to October seventh, and I think the Palestinian people

1520
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 10: will right now understand that really peace is just the

1521
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 10: best way to move forward and end all of this.

1522
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder if there'll be enough splinter members

1523
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: left with a mass, maybe they reform down the line

1524
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: is something else, But you know, at least temporarily with

1525
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: the near future, things look good, Abdulla Hayak, relative to

1526
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: peace in that country that we've seen on and off

1527
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 2: again now well longer than we've both been here. For sure,

1528
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: how much of this as far as the trust element,

1529
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: because that's really the big thing here, right is that

1530
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 2: people are just maybe what ended this whole thing is fatigue.

1531
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 10: Well, fatigue is certain. This war is the longest that

1532
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 10: Israel has ever been in Israel, you know, usually goes

1533
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 10: to war for weeks or months, not for years. I

1534
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 10: think trust is a two way street. If the war

1535
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 10: truly wants to end, both sides need to trust each other.

1536
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 10: If we see a pattern developed within this conflict, we

1537
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 10: can see that every major peace deal breakthrough usually succeeds

1538
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 10: a major war. We've seen the Camp David Accords succeed

1539
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 10: the Yom Kippur war. We've seen the Also Accords succeed

1540
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 10: the First Intifada. So right now, I think with this

1541
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 10: war being so destructive and you know, groundbreaking and changing

1542
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 10: the landscape, I think there's an opportunity right now, with fatigue,

1543
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 10: with the determination to solve the conflict, with with everything

1544
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 10: you could possibly imagine, to actually come through with a

1545
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 10: peace deal that will not just end this chapter of

1546
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 10: the conflict, but the whole conflict. And I think it

1547
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 10: would be best with if it's stayed within the two

1548
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 10: state solution in some way or the other.

1549
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like it's headed that way. We'll get

1550
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: that in a second. But as far as initially earning

1551
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: the trost i guess of each other, the Israelis as

1552
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: well as Palestinian says, I would think like humanitarian aid

1553
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 2: would be a big component of this. Is that if

1554
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: we're delivering food and we're not just the US but Israel, right,

1555
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: and you have actual Israelis that and boots on the

1556
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: ground they're delivering food and water and medical spies helping

1557
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: them rebuild Gaza, doesn't that go a long way to

1558
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: lasting peace.

1559
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 10: Well, it's definitely a gesture of goodwill. It's much needed, actually,

1560
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 10: especially with the high chance of salmin that were in

1561
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 10: the strip. I think that the initiative on behalf of

1562
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 10: the Americans and the Israelis to commence food delivery is good,

1563
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 10: but I think that it would even be a better gesture.

1564
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 5: Of goodwill if both of them.

1565
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 10: Participate within the reconstruction and the rehabilitation of Gaza project

1566
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 10: as a whole with the broader international community. That will

1567
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 10: definitely go a long way, and it will certainly show

1568
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 10: that the people in Gaza that once you get rid

1569
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 10: of Hamas and once you get rid of the Iranian influence, the.

1570
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 5: Aftermath is usually more rewarding and more for you.

1571
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 10: So I think that would go better in developing the trust.

1572
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 5: That you were talking about, in which it would chill that.

1573
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 10: The Israelis don't just come with the hammer, they come

1574
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 10: with the olive branch as well.

1575
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1576
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: You know, if you see your enemy, if you can

1577
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: see in touch and who was formula enemy and they're

1578
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: helping you rebuild, now, that's how you regain trust. That's

1579
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 2: how you build I think, a lasting piece. But that

1580
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,839
Speaker 2: is the very very hands on, early, touchy tactile component

1581
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 2: of this whole thing. The other element is you mentioned

1582
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: Abdulla Hiak Middle East analysts and consultant is the rebuilding

1583
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: in governance. So you mentioned a two state solution, and

1584
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: that has always been a perilous ask, and that is okay,

1585
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: can can we have Palestine and Israel co exist in

1586
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: the same land that has always been fraught with a

1587
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: lot of problems because of how much land and where

1588
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: and expansion and the like, And that's driven this whole

1589
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: conflict for a long time. If you have a transitional

1590
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 2: governance that leads into governing, you almost by definition, then

1591
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: have to have a state to govern.

1592
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: Correct. So this is the fact of two state solution.

1593
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 2: To start, we have established as Ali a legitimate territory,

1594
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 2: and I think countries like France were not long ago

1595
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: booed by us, but now it sounds like this is

1596
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 2: what we're doing.

1597
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: And I.

1598
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 10: Well, Scott, it's good that you mentioned this, but within

1599
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 10: that realm we just spoken, the whole thing is.

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01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 5: All over the place. Now.

1601
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 10: Both Hamas and the Trump twenty point piece plan both

1602
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 10: they explicitly mentioned that they will not accept the Palestinian

1603
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 10: authority to go into the Gaza strip and resume governance

1604
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 10: after Hamas surrenders. Now, I think That is the major

1605
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 10: point that raises one's eyebrows because Hamas only stated that

1606
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 10: it will surrender the strip to a body of international

1607
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 10: and independent Palestinian technocrats. Has anyone ever heard of that

1608
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 10: term really successful in the Middle East? I don't think so,

1609
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 10: which brings us back to are my original point, which

1610
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 10: I believe, with the same motivation and initiative we've seen

1611
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 10: in ending.

1612
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 5: The war in Gaza, I think.

1613
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 10: The US and the international community as a whole has

1614
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:18,480
Speaker 10: to lead an initiative to revitalize and decorrupt the Palestinian Authority,

1615
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 10: which was designed to be the governing body of the

1616
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 10: Palestinians in the wake of Oslo in nineteen ninety three.

1617
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 10: They've already had a track record.

1618
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 5: Of governance and for a good period of time they

1619
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 5: were successful.

1620
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 10: Those are the guys that will really do the job

1621
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 10: to help the Palestinians.

1622
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 3: Well, can we trust them that?

1623
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean that there's a history of corruption, allegations and

1624
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: failed peace talks and everything else.

1625
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 3: We're back to that.

1626
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 10: You're absolutely correct, But that's what I'm saying. We need

1627
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 10: to lead an initiative to rehabilitate them, to revitalize them,

1628
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 10: do something to motivate elections being happening there and the

1629
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 10: Palestinians electing leaders. I know two thousand and six happened

1630
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 10: and Hamas won, but the constituents that were present in

1631
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 10: two thousand and six are ninety percent not going to

1632
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 10: vote in this election, which is twenty years later. The

1633
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 10: young generation of Palestinians have seen that the wrath of

1634
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 10: Israeli military might is not something that should be dealt with,

1635
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 10: as we've seen in the example with Gaza, the Palestinians

1636
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 10: would want to end the conflict peacefully. If we can

1637
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 10: just go to polling data, if it were to emerge

1638
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 10: right now, it would most certainly show that the Palestinian

1639
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 10: people do not want the confrontation with Israel anymore. We're

1640
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 10: seeing social media footage on the ground in Gaza that

1641
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 10: just attack Hamas more so than they attack Israel.

1642
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 5: So the tide is changing in the region. You know.

1643
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 10: As for the two states solutions, what the.

1644
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 5: Voters will be, what the.

1645
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 10: Shape of the map would look like, that's all I think,

1646
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 10: very very tough to tackle. I mean, numerous presidential administrations

1647
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 10: haven't been able to tackle.

1648
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 5: But it's good that they keep it.

1649
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 10: Within that framework because honestly, Other than that, what is

1650
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 10: the solutions? What do I don't think, you know, there's

1651
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 10: any other possible solution because the Israelis are not going anywhere,

1652
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 10: the Palestinians are.

1653
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 5: Not going anywhere. Is it going to be fulfilled.

1654
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 10: Within the you know, the one state solution or a

1655
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 10: three state solution where the West Bank goes back to

1656
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 10: Jordan or the Gaza Strip goes back to Egypt. I

1657
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 10: don't think that's going to be feasible or possible. So

1658
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 10: a two state solution in which both sides can guarantee

1659
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 10: each other's security and peace is.

1660
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 5: The best solution.

1661
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 10: And how that's going to be done, I think you

1662
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 10: need courage. I think you need the courage to overcome

1663
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 10: the obstacles. And you know, in a nutshell, I think

1664
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 10: you know, the Arab claim as foreshown in the two

1665
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 10: thousand and two Arab Peace Initiative, which states that there

1666
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 10: would be full recognition on behalf of the Arab world

1667
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 10: with Israel in return of Israeli withdrawal from the Palestinian

1668
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 10: occupied territories. I think that's a good start, but you know,

1669
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,440
Speaker 10: the Arabs have to aman that. You know, the borders

1670
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 10: of June fourth nineteen sixty seven aren't really feasible anymore

1671
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 10: because previously there were major chunks of Palestinian cities surrounded

1672
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 10: by tiny dots of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

1673
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 5: And that's just the other way around.

1674
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 10: Where you have these major Jewish Israeli settlements in the

1675
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 10: West Bank that are really just surrounded by Palestinian DUTs.

1676
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 10: The demographics in the West Bank have changed dramatically. So

1677
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 10: I think that they need to get over the June

1678
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 10: fourth nighteth in sixty seven borders. They have to come

1679
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 10: to an agreement over Jerusalem, and I think something can

1680
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 10: be made. But the time is right now, the iron

1681
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 10: is hot. It's best time to strike is now. So

1682
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 10: we'll see.

1683
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: And we also have to maintain focus, and that's something

1684
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: I do a little that we're really bad at in

1685
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: the West A specifically America is well, we'll do this,

1686
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: we'll celebrate, then we'll move on to the next thing,

1687
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: and completely forget all the work it took to establish

1688
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: peace in the Middle East. All these countries. We let

1689
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: it fall apart. We've seen a long track record, and

1690
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: that whether it's a Vietnam, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's

1691
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Cold War

1692
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 2: and the Russians the former Soviet Union, and we just

1693
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,440
Speaker 2: ignore that and go, hey, if we don't maintain democracy

1694
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 2: and try to keep feeding it and caring for it

1695
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: and nurturing and nursing it along, it'll fall apart because

1696
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,520
Speaker 2: it's fragile. We do that all the time.

1697
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 5: Unfortunately.

1698
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 10: So and the track record isn't just you know, with

1699
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 10: those states that you mentioned. It has been with the

1700
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 10: Palestinians over and over again, with the whole conflict. So

1701
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 10: I think, you know, Donald Trump has shown true interest

1702
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 10: in you know, having his second term his administration be

1703
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 10: remembered as that of a peacemaker. We've seen his record

1704
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 10: be successful so far and ending conflicts between Armenian Azerb

1705
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 10: by John, the Indians and Pakistanis, the Rwandans and Congolese

1706
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 10: and three other conflicts in addition to the one in

1707
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 10: Gaza and Israel.

1708
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, again we'll see how long it lasts.

1709
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 2: If he can get through his second term without it

1710
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: falling apart again, would be that alone by itself would

1711
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 2: probably be a small miracle. And I know there's a

1712
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 2: lot of pieces behind the scenes. As he's in Egypt

1713
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: now talking world leaders. A lot of things had to

1714
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: happen behind the scenes for this to occur, namely leveraging

1715
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 2: Cutter and Turkey and Egypt to get this deal broker together.

1716
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: That took a lot of work behind the scenes obviously.

1717
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, and I think there needs to go credit

1718
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 10: for the Turks. Over the past two years, the major

1719
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 10: countries involved in the negotiations were, of course Israelis and Americans,

1720
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 10: with the Kataris and the Egyptians. When the Turks got

1721
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 10: involved in the negotiations, only in a matter of three

1722
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 10: days did we come to a solution to the conference.

1723
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 10: So I think, you know, the credit is due to

1724
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 10: the Turks, especially that President Erdogan has, according to President Trump,

1725
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:36,839
Speaker 10: personally intervened in the negotiation process for itself. The timing

1726
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 10: is just right. I think everything is just falling in time.

1727
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 10: Two years have ended, the hostages have just seen enough,

1728
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 10: and I think the civilian population of Gaza has just

1729
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 10: been under horrible conditions that no one could possibly imagine.

1730
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 10: The timing is right, the conflict's ending, everyone's happy. I think,

1731
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 10: you know, why shouldn't the population both in Israel and

1732
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 10: the Palestinians just moved forward to peace. Why can't we

1733
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 10: see a rebirth of the nineteen nineties again?

1734
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 2: Possibly, and he hopes so, because there's just so much

1735
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: blood and life lost and devastation, and it cut deeply

1736
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: on both sides, and that that blood is so fresh,

1737
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: and I think a piece elast for a little while. Unfortunately,

1738
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,759
Speaker 2: what happens in another generation comes along and forgets about history.

1739
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: But we'll let them address the later day. Let's celebrate

1740
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 2: the fact that the finally the war has stopped. Over

1741
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: two long, hard years, all the death and destruction led

1742
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: to this. He again on the show. Is Abdullah Hyak,

1743
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: middle East policy expert on the Scott's Loan Show on

1744
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 2: seven hundred. Ww's a piece fellow with young voices. Thanks

1745
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 2: again for the time. I appreciate it, Thank you, Scott.

1746
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 10: It's great to be here, and I look forward to

1747
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 10: our next discussion.

1748
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: Trump is in Egypt to take his victory. Laugh, maybe

1749
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 2: a lap meeting with leaders of some twenty countries here

1750
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 2: closer to home. The big star, of course is the Bengals.

1751
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 2: The Bengals, the Bengals. The Bengals lost, but they did

1752
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 2: it in a better way. We learn how to lose better.

1753
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 2: Let's put it that way, Joe Flocker looked pretty good

1754
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 2: at second half, the defense fall apart. The big question,

1755
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: of course, is why can't we have the offensive defense

1756
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: on the same page for all four quarters, certainly in

1757
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: the last number of games in this early season, so

1758
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 2: faarlier in the season. In fact, the matter is you

1759
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: play complimentary football. It's got the last four quarters. Offense

1760
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: looked bad in the first half good and the second

1761
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 2: half in the opposite for the defense wilted in the end.

1762
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 2: But Scott Steelers, it's a short week, Thursday night football

1763
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: coming to Cincinnati. Scott Sloan show, We've got news on

1764
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 2: the way in just about four or five minutes. Hang

1765
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 2: on for more seven hundred wlw's on seven d WWF.

1766
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Bengals felt in the path because I don't

1767
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 2: have to tell you that yesterday afternoon. Should the loss

1768
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: feel like a win in a way? James Rapine is

1769
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: here from SI Bengals talking lockdown Bengals. James, did we

1770
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 2: win in the loss?

1771
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 5: No?

1772
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 3: No, we did.

1773
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 5: Answer.

1774
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: They don't get that attitude like we lost, but it

1775
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: feels like a better loss.

1776
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 3: It's like, no, you lost, It's just a loss. Is

1777
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 3: a loss?

1778
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: Even though you lost by a loss by a worse

1779
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: you didn't look it wasn't as embarrassing as previous loss.

1780
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 3: He's still lost.

1781
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 8: For sure, and that's the correct takeaway. I also think

1782
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 8: to the.

1783
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,480
Speaker 10: People that are optimistic for me yesterday.

1784
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 8: The reason the reason why you're optimistic is because there

1785
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 8: are we're signs of hope and signs of a difference. Now,

1786
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 8: will that translate into Thursday? That's the real key, because

1787
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 8: a loss is a loss is a loss. But if

1788
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 8: it helps you on Thursday, well then that could translate totally.

1789
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 2: Well we'll get to that. Let's slow down just a second.

1790
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: Here's the problem with the bugles. It's been true, whether

1791
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: Jake brown is a quarterback or not, is putting a

1792
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 2: complete game together. We've heard about the complimentary nature of football. Offense, defense,

1793
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: special teams, offense bad first half, good second half, defense,

1794
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 2: decent first and half, bad second half. We can't put

1795
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: this together. That's, you know, one of the many problems.

1796
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: It's been an ongoing trend here, specifically with the offense

1797
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: being bad in the first half. Now we had an excuse,

1798
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: not so much under Joe Burrow, but under Jake browning

1799
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: one half of football. For one, Joe Flacco is not

1800
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: really a trend. It's a sample. Bengals put up sixty

1801
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: five yards total offense, but it was only down ten

1802
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 2: tohering at halftime, and that seemed like, Okay, I don't

1803
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 2: know how we're going to generate more offense in the

1804
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: second half, but they did and then the defense collapse.

1805
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 2: So I guess maybe that's because the offense is so

1806
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: went up in the first half, by the time the

1807
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 2: defense gets to that fourth quarter, they're completely guessed.

1808
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,799
Speaker 8: Maybe, you know, maybe that's the case. And I certainly

1809
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 8: would love to see this offense start and play normal

1810
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 8: football in the first half. They've been outscore seventy nine

1811
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 8: to nine in the first half of the past four games.

1812
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 8: They haven't sort of touchdown in that span. Magically, the

1813
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 8: nine is three three, three point three, three field goals.

1814
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 8: So it's it's frustrating to watch. And yesterday I do

1815
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 8: think that there's some reason behind it that Joe Flacco

1816
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 8: had just gotten there.

1817
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 10: You're going up against the good defense, you.

1818
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 8: Are on the road, and yet at the same time

1819
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 8: it doesn't change exactly what we had seen the past

1820
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 8: three weeks is happening again, and no they didn't turn

1821
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 8: the ball over, but they literally couldn't move the ball.

1822
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 8: At the end of the first quarter, they went three

1823
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 8: and out on their only drive, had one yard of

1824
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 8: total offense. It went three and out on three of

1825
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 8: their first four drives of the half. Like it just can't.

1826
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 8: That isn't a way to win games. You can't do that.

1827
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 8: You can't start off that slow because you're right now

1828
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 8: we're wondering, all right, well, is it the defense's fault

1829
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 8: or is the defense just gassed or well, I think

1830
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 8: the defense was awful in the second half, and I

1831
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 8: don't think it's all them just being gassed. But you

1832
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 8: have to start better if you're going to win games,

1833
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 8: especially on the road against really good teams.

1834
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: And you're playing at lambeau Field.

1835
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: You're playing in a pretty good Packers team that's no slacker.

1836
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 2: That now Pittsburgh, the sweetheart of the division right now

1837
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 2: comes to the town on Thursday. Arguably that's a much

1838
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 2: tougher game. You're playing at night, you're playing at home

1839
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 2: at Paycres. Hopefully home field helps you. But right now,

1840
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: the Bengals, if this is any indication of how you

1841
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 2: know as a loss is a loss Cincy is five

1842
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: and a half point underdogs going to this game on

1843
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: Thursday night.

1844
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, and this is this is where it shifts, because

1845
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 8: I said, this is not hindsight, This isn't me looking

1846
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 8: at it from orange and black colored glasses. Losing to

1847
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 8: the Packers in my mind was expected, like I wanted

1848
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 8: to see them play better, but tough team on the road.

1849
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 8: Joe Flacker has been there for four and a half days.

1850
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 8: Basically a tough ask. But you make that move for

1851
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 8: Joe Flacco, so you can one be more competitive, but

1852
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 8: two win games like Thursday night. It's the Pittsburgh team

1853
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 8: and obviously knows Joe well, you know the Steelers well.

1854
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 8: And if you win, you can get right back in

1855
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 8: this because the AFC North stinks. Really, the AFC for

1856
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 8: the most part hasn't been as good as people thought.

1857
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 8: And so that door is cracked. But it slams shut

1858
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 8: with a loss or you can open with a win. Yeah,

1859
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 8: and that's the reality for the Bengals right now.

1860
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: It feels certainly you look by the way you described it,

1861
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: must win on Thursday and to beat the Steelers in

1862
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 2: the division, especially at this chance having him at home.

1863
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 3: Now it is a short week. Of course that's always bad.

1864
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not because now Joe Flackow, he's been a

1865
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 2: bit of a rhythm right now, and you look again

1866
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: in a rhythm in the second half. I mean, he

1867
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: through some really tight balls, particularly to Jamar Chase. Jamar

1868
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Chase blew up that touchdown to the head. I still

1869
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 2: don't know how you got that. I still don't know how

1870
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: that wasn't a flag, by the way, but you felt like, Wow,

1871
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 2: finally somebody who given a little bit of time and

1872
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 2: credit to the offensive line there can find the deep ball,

1873
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 2: can hit Cha March, can hit Tea Higgains, and maybe

1874
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 2: we got something there.

1875
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's it. That's exactly it is. I I

1876
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 8: came away from that game. My biggest takeaway was, all Right,

1877
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 8: they have a guy at quarterbacks. I have a guy

1878
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 8: at quarterback that can make the throws. He can get

1879
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 8: it to their weapons. And this team scot is built

1880
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 8: around their offense. Like if they're going to be good,

1881
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 8: their offense needs to be good. Their offense should be

1882
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 8: better than the defense. Like that's just that's how they're

1883
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 8: going to win games. And so that second half, I mean,

1884
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 8: they might have scored three straight touchdowns. If Andre Josavash

1885
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 8: doesn't dropped that ball on third and eight, let it

1886
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 8: go through his hands, they were moving it and so yeah,

1887
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 8: I think that there's there's reason to be hope, hopeful, yep.

1888
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 8: And I think that they're going to be encouraged by that.

1889
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 8: But again, now it's now the pressure really is on.

1890
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 8: This is a kitsh and sink. You throw the kitchen sink.

1891
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 8: You throw every play, every everything to get a win.

1892
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 3: On the third you mentioned Yosha, and Yoshi really struggled

1893
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 3: yes day. It was not a good game for him.

1894
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 8: He did, he did, And those are the type of

1895
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 8: plays like, especially on the road, new quarterback, make a catch,

1896
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 8: you're you're trying to rally back like you You have

1897
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 8: to have those kind of plays to have a chance.

1898
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 8: And yeah, if he didn't need those plays on the

1899
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 8: field or knows, who knows what ends up happening.

1900
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 2: You wonder two end of the half, what if it

1901
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 2: would have looked that much? It's okay, so you're in

1902
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 2: the go to locker room. It's ten nothing. You go

1903
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 2: to locker room ten three and a touchdown. You've got

1904
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 2: a little momentum there McPherson hitting the crossbar from sixty seven,

1905
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 2: which have been an NFL rocker. That was when Curl

1906
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 2: hits a crossbar, goes in and oh wait, we called

1907
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 2: time out right before a fortuitous icing of the kicker

1908
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 2: because obviously the second one wasn't long enough and it

1909
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 2: was wide right, he just got a little too much

1910
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 2: under it.

1911
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 3: But man, we could I think it. You don't want

1912
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 3: to say, hey, what what could have should have?

1913
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 5: Could have had?

1914
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Mean if Joe Burrow didn't go down, we probably wouldn't

1915
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: have this conversation. Is the fact that, man, I just

1916
01:34:58,240 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: that felt to me, like, boy, you go in the

1917
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 2: locker from getting three back and hey we're only down seven,

1918
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: And then the way they looked in the second half,

1919
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 2: it could have been a different outcome.

1920
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 8: It could have the heck of a time out by

1921
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 8: that before it really was because I don't know if

1922
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 8: do you think you need to ice the kicker a

1923
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 8: sixty seven yards? Is it better just to let him

1924
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,680
Speaker 8: kick it? Clearly it was better to take the time out.

1925
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 2: And you're not taking your time outs in the half, Ami,

1926
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, what do you lose my calling time out?

1927
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 8: No doubt, no doubt, and that's it. That's why you

1928
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 8: do it. But geeh, like I uh, I wish honestly,

1929
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Speaker 8: I wish Evan didn't get to kick that first one,

1930
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 8: right because I think he kicked the first one, made

1931
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 8: it and then I don't know, it almost changes your mindset.

1932
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 8: And I'm not just saying he said that or felt

1933
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 8: that way, but like, it just felt different with.

1934
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 3: That second shot.

1935
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: Again, if the angles a half degree off, it's going

1936
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 2: to change it from that far. So you know, it

1937
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 2: may not have been the hold because in the state,

1938
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 2: could have been a million things. But yeah, now, had

1939
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:06,759
Speaker 2: he missed it and then hit the second one, we'd

1940
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 2: be high five in each other right now, and maybe

1941
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 2: the Bengals would have done something. But that was the

1942
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 2: most Bengal thing of the game I think is that

1943
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 2: he makes it from sixty seven, they called the timeout,

1944
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: and then he misses the sixty seven yard er. But nonetheless,

1945
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 2: I thought first half defense played good enough to win

1946
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson leave them to the back injury. Things change

1947
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 2: after Trey Hendrickson wasn't rushing the passer anymore.

1948
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 5: Yep, that might have.

1949
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 8: Been all these game deciding plays. You know, third and

1950
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 8: eight and you have Jordan Love with over four seconds

1951
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 8: to throw the ball and then he finds Matt Golden

1952
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,839
Speaker 8: when the Bengals had trimmed lead to twenty four to eighteen.

1953
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 8: And if they get to stop there, they're getting the ball. Yeah,

1954
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 8: but my goodness, sound nice would have beat a have

1955
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,799
Speaker 8: Trey Hendrickson on the field. I really hope it isn't serious,

1956
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 8: because you talk about pass to winning games. They just

1957
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 8: don't have a lot of playmakers on defense right now, Scott.

1958
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 8: So without Trey, without Trey, you're looking around that who's

1959
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 8: going to make a play, And there's just there's not

1960
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 8: many guys that you could confidently they would raise their

1961
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 8: hand and be able to actually go out there.

1962
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 2: And does anyone miss more tackles than Jordan Bell? I

1963
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 2: mean it was fair most games and Cam Taylor brit

1964
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 2: has just been bad for a long time now, and

1965
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean he's bench leading up to the game, and uh,

1966
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 2: it's just you look at it and go, there's two

1967
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 2: fun a firm of the guys that want to make

1968
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: a play. I mean tackling. That's not the easiest thing,

1969
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 2: but it's the most basic thing. You watch a Bengals game.

1970
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 2: How many guys get extra yards after initial contact. You

1971
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 2: could probably count on one hand, or in the course

1972
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 2: of the game where the person make initial contact brings

1973
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 2: down the target.

1974
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's frustrating. And I thought it was.

1975
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 8: Interesting that the Bengals wn't with two rookie linebackers as well.

1976
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 8: Yeah that game. Yeah, and Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight.

1977
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 8: And I don't want to be the Barrett bad news,

1978
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 8: but I don't think he that one played well. I see,

1979
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 8: Josh Jacobs had his best game of the year, averaging

1980
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 8: over five to carry. Obviously the two touchdowns on the

1981
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 8: one touchdown run. I mean he was pretty pretty untouched

1982
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 8: after getting through the defensive a front and that can't happen. So, yeah,

1983
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 8: you mentioned it. Can Taylor Bridge Jordan battle and then

1984
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 8: you're throw in those guys and not much of a

1985
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 8: pass rush. Yeah, And it's just it's a really tough

1986
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 8: go of it right now, and so who knows. I

1987
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 8: think Shamar Stewart has a chance to play this week,

1988
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 8: and maybe Trey Hendrickson can fight through it. And if

1989
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 8: you have those two guys, maybe you will have somewhat

1990
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 8: of a pass rush against.

1991
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, James rapine back to the corners and starting

1992
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:37,959
Speaker 2: two rookies at linebacker. Demetrius Night. Okay, we saw Demetrius,

1993
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 2: but bred Carter in for Logan. What happened to Logan

1994
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,600
Speaker 2: Wilson over the last couple of ye I mean, I

1995
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 2: think he was just on kickoff.

1996
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, he was in on bass downs when

1997
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 8: they were playing three linebackers and then special teams. He

1998
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 8: had one snap in the second half. And honestly, I

1999
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 8: don't think he's been like he has lost the step,

2000
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 8: There's no doubt, But I don't think he's been so

2001
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 8: bad that now he's just phased out. And I think

2002
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 8: that's a really interesting storyline that's transpired over I mean,

2003
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 8: it's week six it's not Week sixteen, right, And you know,

2004
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 8: has Barrett Harder showed them that much? Now, if you

2005
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 8: look at the box score, played well, he had ten tackles.

2006
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 5: But I.

2007
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 8: Think when they watched the film, they're going to look

2008
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 8: at those linebackers and say, all right, we were pretty

2009
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 8: bad in that spot. But it is saying something that

2010
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 8: Logan Wilson has kind of throughout the past couple of

2011
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 8: weeks been phased out and now he's truly their third linebacker.

2012
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 8: It's tough about to be in for the veteran, especially

2013
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 8: after he's voted captain. And that's the reality, that's what

2014
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 8: he's facing. I would expect Bret Carter and Demetrius Knight

2015
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 8: to start again on Thursday.

2016
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so too. But man, I watch

2017
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 3: you watch a little bit.

2018
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 2: Because you get the multi view going on TV, they

2019
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 2: can watch different games that I'm watching Aaron Rodgers yesterday

2020
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 2: and he you know, especially with no Trey Hendrickson, Boy,

2021
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 2: you're asking that line and that defense to do a

2022
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 2: lot that they don't look like they're capable of as

2023
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 2: of today.

2024
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 8: Uh, there's no doubt. And and that's why starting off

2025
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 8: with points and finding a way to get going early

2026
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 8: on offense, that that is important because the Steelers they're

2027
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 8: not a team that wants to win a shoot out either.

2028
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 3: Right, They're kind of.

2029
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 8: They want to play, you know, the ugly game that

2030
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 8: they played yesterday and then I'll break it open at

2031
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 8: the end the and that's pretty much their game script

2032
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 8: every week. And so this offense has to show up early.

2033
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 8: They're going up against a really good defensive front. The

2034
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 8: Steelers defensive front is awesome Jalen Ramsey has been playing

2035
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 8: pretty well, I think in Pittsburgh at corner and so

2036
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 8: it's going to be a tough task, a tough test,

2037
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 8: and it really can you get a lead, and then

2038
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 8: if you get a lead, the Steelers aren't good at

2039
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 8: running the football. Forced Aaron Rodgers to throw it, and

2040
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 8: when he does, you're gonna have to get pressure on him.

2041
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 8: Like it's all simple things. It's much easier said than done.

2042
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 8: But those are some of the things that they're gonna

2043
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 8: have to do well.

2044
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 2: We'll find out that Thursday, and it's a quick week

2045
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: and unfortunate we're gonna have time to get healthy too,

2046
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 2: because you get some guys banging a Trey Hendrickson comes

2047
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 2: to minds the biggest there as well. And man, you

2048
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 2: feel like this is the season right here? Am I

2049
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 2: wrong about thinking it that way on Thursday night?

2050
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 5: Already? No, you're not wrong. This is it.

2051
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 8: I mean two and five, verses three and four. And

2052
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 8: if you get to three and four, then you have

2053
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 8: a tie breaker over the Steelers and you play him

2054
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 8: again a month later, right, and so you can you

2055
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 8: have to sleep Pittsburgh. If you sleep Pittsburgh, and you

2056
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 8: look and you got the Jets on the schedule. You

2057
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 8: got some winnable games on the schedule in your home.

2058
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 8: You don't go on the road again. It's been a

2059
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 8: lot of road games, right, four out of six on

2060
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 8: the road, right. You don't go on the road again

2061
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 8: until November sixteenth, when you play Pittsburgh and there's a

2062
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 8: buy in there, but you're at home. This is when,

2063
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 8: like Zach Taylor for the past few, like the winds

2064
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 8: are gonna come, The winds are gonna come. Well, the

2065
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 8: winds need to come right now. They do, and now's

2066
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 8: the time, and they can They can salvage the season

2067
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 8: if they went on Thursday night. But it certainly starts

2068
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 8: with a winner on primetime against the Steelers.

2069
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 2: Big ask, we'll find out. We'll have the call for you.

2070
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 2: James Rapines covering it for you as he does every

2071
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 2: Monday morning, so chopping it up before the lunch. How

2072
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 2: we're always talking to Bengals football. This morning, I'm the

2073
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 2: losing end. That's four straight losses. Bengal's open at five

2074
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:28,799
Speaker 2: and a half point dogs against the Steelers on Thursday

2075
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 2: Night football. James Repete catch him over at SI's bengalstock

2076
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 2: dot com it puts a lockdown podcast as well. James,

2077
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 2: all the best, Buddy, appreciate.

2078
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 5: You, Thanks, Scott, appreciate you.

2079
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 2: All right, quick time out speaking of sports and the like,

2080
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 2: of course, the news this morning that the Bearcat, the legend,

2081
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer, Jim Kelly Junior, has passed away.

2082
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 2: The long time color analysts for Bearcat Football alongside our

2083
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 2: buddy Dan Horde, passing away today after his health battle.

2084
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 2: So prayers to everyone at UC and Clifton, especially the

2085
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,600
Speaker 2: Kelly family and h and Danny for that matter too.

2086
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 3: Knew that guy for a long time.

2087
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 2: Willie's on the way coming up at twelve o six

2088
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 2: here on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage, seven

2089
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 2: hundred WWT Cincinnati