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Speaker 1: Jesse did a poll on all this and gets a

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Speaker 2: Jesse, welcome to the show. Good morning, are you great.

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Speaker 3: And beyond all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yess you mentioned the minority faction of the GOP

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Speaker 4: I think that DEI has got to be a winning

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Speaker 4: What is just that the best people rise to the top,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. Similarly, because

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Speaker 3: I think if I had, if I'm a betting man,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that I mean it could be a Gavin Newsome.

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Speaker 4: It should be a lot of people, but Andy Bisheer

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Speaker 3: We're losing a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously the big blooming problem here is Trump

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Speaker 1: based on what you just said, Jesse, the most Trump

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Speaker 1: like rhetorical appeal to the new entrance, as you call them.

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Speaker 1: But core Republicans that tend to dominate the primaries want

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Speaker 1: a tough one to play out. We'll see how it

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Speaker 1: goes again. He is at Jesse arm He's at Manhattan Institute.

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Speaker 1: What's happening with the GOP. We may have to do

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Speaker 1: We're just at one of those political crossroads that happens

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Speaker 1: every generation, for sure. All the best, Thanks again for jumping.

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Speaker 3: On, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Take care you too, Stay safe. We've got weather moving in.

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Speaker 1: It's here now. As a matter of fact, one to

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Speaker 1: The other thing too, My daughter calls me, says and

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Speaker 1: Why? Why is Kroger so crowded? Like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: So I got the lay of the land at her Kroger,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't I went over slides. No, they're

436
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: a sandals. Yeah, like beach handles, just in case. I

437
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: don't know why I don't. I have no idea. I

438
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: have no idea. I'm not judging. I'm just pointing out

439
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: the the planning ahead.

440
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm a planner if anything.

441
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's planning for There's people who overpray I'm

442
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna buy five gallons of milk and all the bread

443
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: and all the batteries for I don't know an inches

444
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: to a snow okay. And then the other extremists people going, yeah,

445
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: I'll get that snowbrush in my car about I'll get

446
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: in there about July. No rush for this, no rush

447
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: just buying everything. It's just it's it's like politics, right,

448
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: It's just the extremes that drive you crazy. Uh In

449
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: Lemon and Pete, you're on the Scot Sloan Show. What's

450
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: going on?

451
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: Slowy? A lady has to have her priorities.

452
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: Sandals used one atlantic chee golf balls.

453
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 4: You never know.

454
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean there might be a one legged golf tournament

455
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: coming out. You got to be prepared. Man the basfoot

456
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: golf or barefoot golf.

457
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

458
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you know, we got snow coming down. I'm gonna

459
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: clean that with my tongue. Apparently, it's fine, don't worry

460
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: about I got it, honey, it's good.

461
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: I got you.

462
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: I got to the list for panic buying.

463
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 6: I stopped in the home depot and get a bag

464
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 6: and got ten pounds fifty twenty pounds bag of.

465
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: The ice or the you know, yeah, yeah, the last skin.

466
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: This guy bought the last kit. It was six foot tall.

467
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 3: They loaded it up and they go, that's the end

468
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 3: of it.

469
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 5: That's right.

470
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: I said, why would you sell him the whole shite?

471
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 7: I'm thinking this guy either owns property like you're a

472
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 7: rental guy, right, a rental guy, right.

473
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: Or he's selling it like toilet paper.

474
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: And uh if he see I would have hung a

475
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: ree had time hang around. I'm wondering if he's the

476
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: guy's got the palette of salt on top of his

477
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, on top of his his Corolla.

478
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 8: Right.

479
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: Instead you're thinking he had a truck and these people

480
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: at home deeper they got sheets of plywood on top

481
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: of a pinto. What the heck? What I want?

482
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: What I should have done was the follow him. Right.

483
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 7: Maybe he was at the corner selling her stuff hot, you.

484
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: Know, like, hey, you know what buying panic selling? I

485
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: love it.

486
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: God bless America.

487
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 3: The United States society got a lot, right.

488
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate you man. Thanks. Yeah, you don't snatch it

489
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: up all the rock salt there's another thing, but that

490
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: takes an effort. I think it's because they're heavy, right,

491
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: especially a pallette. You mean you better have a truck

492
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: if that guy's going to put it in like a mini van.

493
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: And then the pallette. You got the another thing with

494
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: palettes too. Have you ever noticed you're driving?

495
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: No?

496
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: One just says one Pallette, like the guy who's taking

497
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: the pallettes back to the Pallette factory or to be

498
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: used as compost. However, there's a thousand pallets on the

499
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: back of the smallest truck in the world. It's never

500
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: a big truck that has the Pallett's. It's always like

501
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: a I don't know, a Chevy S ten, like those

502
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: old trucks, and it's that old like literally, there's no

503
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: one who's hauling pellets in a new truck and they've

504
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: got them stacked up like sixty high and strapped down,

505
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: maybe strapped down, and they're driving that right lane by

506
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: fifty miles an hour. It's always a small pick of

507
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: the small body pickup truck and a million pallets on

508
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: the back. And that truck was new in nineteen seventy eight.

509
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: Damnedest thing. It's the damnedest thing. To Florida and Keith,

510
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: how's everything there? You guys getting some weather? We're about

511
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: what we're else? Are you in?

512
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: Now?

513
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: How's the how's it tempts? I know somebody was in

514
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: Pensacola last week and it was snowing.

515
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 5: Well, funny, I tell you so. Yeah, at the end

516
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: of the world, then here it almost got down to freezing. Yeah,

517
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: up the plants. Yeah. Uh, it's brutal, absolutely brutal.

518
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: I'll bring it up that actually put on socks, life

519
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. This is gonna mess up my I'm gonna

520
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: have tan lines. Now it's gonna be on sightly. It's

521
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: gotta be unsightly.

522
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

523
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 5: Watching all my family up in Cincinnati shoveling and blowing

524
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 5: so now I'm just loving it.

525
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind doing it. I like the shoveling

526
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: and blowing snow. You guys get any pan well, you

527
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: probably get the panic down.

528
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 5: And for hurricanes, uh yeah, I've been. We had three

529
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 5: front of water through the house in Milton, so we

530
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 5: definitely got our share of it.

531
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: Yep.

532
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

533
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: Uh what's what's it like? That is milk the big

534
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: one in Florida?

535
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 5: No, actually, nothing is because it's not hurricane season. Now

536
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: that's a hurricane season. You got to get to the

537
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 5: liquor store quick.

538
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Cards, dude, because most of the time you're seeing full time.

539
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just waiting.

540
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: It's like like the odds of your house getting swamped

541
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: or blood like it's a whole different day. But most

542
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: of the time there's a it's a big nothing. But

543
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: that's why people don't take it seriously. And then they

544
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: got caught with their pants down right.

545
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: Well, you know you got to keep six or seven

546
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 5: handles on hand at all times in case the wind

547
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 5: bowl is above six.

548
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

549
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife's truck would be great. Then here she's

550
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: got golf balls in her go ahead.

551
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 9: Oh, by the way, hey, milk freezers real well, so

552
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 9: five gallons of milk is the big deal. You keep

553
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 9: one out and you put four in the freezer, and

554
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 9: you take it out three four days before you need it. Man,

555
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 9: it works great the case at all.

556
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: What what about all the other stuff?

557
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: Is?

558
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: How big a freezer are you running there?

559
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: Huh?

560
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 5: Oh, I've got We've got uh, I got, I got

561
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: two full sized fridges in a stand freezer. How maybe

562
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 5: we're contemplating, just the two of us for contemplating buying.

563
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: Teeth by the side, there's two of you and you've

564
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: got three freezers.

565
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 5: Oh man, if anything anything we can do keep from

566
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 5: going to the store and actually, you know, dealing with people.

567
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: But you know, right, you just keep buying more freezers

568
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: and you never take the stuff out of the freezer.

569
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: You just keep buying putting stuff in the freezer. Does

570
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: anything ever come out of it?

571
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: Yet?

572
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 5: There there's I will admit there's crapping the bottle of

573
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: the freezer that you know, it's got so much freezer

574
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: burned on it.

575
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: It's it's just a token.

576
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 5: What do we do?

577
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: You're prepared, you may be, you may be over prepared, Keith.

578
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's anybody in my family. I definitely over prepared.

579
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: I away I could really use.

580
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some col right now. You got milk.

581
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to wait three days with at the thought,

582
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: but well, I've got great. The milk is fantastic. Appreciate

583
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: you man. Ten minutes away from a news update on

584
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: the Big Ones the Scott Sloan Show here on seven

585
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: hundred w LW. Come up at eleven oh seven, little

586
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: pre promote. I don't know if you heard this or not.

587
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call an audible Dave. Can you can you

588
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: go in it?

589
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: Can you see if you can pull that Nickolache song off?

590
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: The full song? I got it in my file there.

591
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you, sorry, as I suck at

592
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: this job. Uh so nick Lache, Nickolasche and I'm gonna

593
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: ask him, by the way, how Nickolasche became the voice

594
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: of the common fan here in Cincinnati. I'm not quite

595
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: sure how it occurred. I think maybe the title was

596
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: thrust upon him and he ran with it the scepter

597
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: in his hand. But Nickolasche has come out eleven oh

598
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: seven drops a new song about demanding the Brown family,

599
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: the band Mike Brown sell the Bengals. Now that's an

600
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: aggressive stance for a pop singer, for a pop idol,

601
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: is it not. That's a pretty damn aggressive stance. And

602
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: I will say nick Lache he knows the sports though

603
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: he is fully invested in Cincinnati sports and a Miami grad,

604
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: so he's loving the fact that the basketball teams in

605
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: the But anyway, dropped a new song. I'll try to

606
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: get a clip here, play for you a second here

607
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: in demanding that they sell the team. And if not

608
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the best song in the world, but it's better than

609
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: either most of these kind of parody things. And I'm

610
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: not one to tell someone who has Mike Brown kind

611
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: of money what to do with this.

612
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: That's his money.

613
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: Now you want to sell the team, that's up to you,

614
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: whether I selled or not. But as a as a

615
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: passionate fan. I mean, I get the inkst I get

616
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: the anxiety of the ownership right now. And then you know,

617
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: we talked about Duke Tobin and Zach. They're not going.

618
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: The entirety of the AFC North has been fired and

619
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: new head coaches are coming in because they can't get

620
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: it done. And yet we're doubling down on Zach and

621
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin. And yeah, I think we're in good shape.

622
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: We can win with the guys we have.

623
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: No, you can't.

624
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: You couldn't do that last Well, if Joe Burrow wouldn't

625
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: have gotten hurt, Well, that's part of the problem. He

626
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: got hurt is because of well, the guys you have

627
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: are not good, you know, offensively, there's no reason the

628
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: very least make the playoffs. You know, Marvin went to

629
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: what six six wild card games in seven years and

630
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: lost them all, and we wanted more, we wanted better

631
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: that we're going to do better than that. So that's

632
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: why Marvin went. And we got Zach Taylor. Okay, got

633
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: us to the super Bowl. Great, and now it's regressing,

634
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: and so I think it's you know, it's a viable go. Okay,

635
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: do we need to change because you can't get over

636
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: the hump? Why can't we get over the ump? There's

637
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why anyway, here's the song from

638
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: Nicko La se.

639
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 10: Time man again seen a simple whipple say, I ain't

640
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 10: got no plan, no.

641
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: No, no, no no.

642
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like an angry song, doesn't.

643
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 10: Another draft done in team, more and more of the scene,

644
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 10: and it's so it's sort of driving me and say.

645
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: Like that baseline was so sat.

646
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Timberlake field, very boys.

647
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 10: Angles, wind stalk amasy, oh, blame me.

648
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Everything that you've done.

649
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: It just turns out so long.

650
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 10: Time say goodbye.

651
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 11: Just think of your.

652
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 10: Family, take your billions and run to that look go ahead.

653
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: Now you're coming at him already thinks this is nickolache Man.

654
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: He's popping off, he's popping up.

655
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: Damn yeah.

656
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Speaker 1: Bang pretty well produced, but i'd expect that from nickolache

657
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Speaker 1: I said, set on my Brown, set my.

658
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Speaker 2: Brown, breaking it down a little bit nice.

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Speaker 1: In the name of Joe Bell. Won't you take your

660
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Speaker 1: beans and go.

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Speaker 10: To settle my brown?

662
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Speaker 2: Care what you wish for?

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Speaker 10: The selling my brown.

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Speaker 1: On the phone quick two minutes. That's all you get,

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Speaker 1: that's all you need. Message sent I don't know the

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Speaker 1: message received or not. But coming up at eleven oh seven,

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Speaker 1: I'll have Nickolache on the show and ask why the

668
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Speaker 1: hell cook two thingsirst of all, who are you to

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Speaker 1: tell Mike Brown what to do with the team?

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Speaker 2: Second?

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Speaker 1: Lay more Bertley, are you gonna buy it? Nick lache

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Speaker 1: buying the team? Nickolasche wants to buy the team. He's

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Speaker 1: got that, yeah, man, he's got that ten years of

674
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Speaker 1: reality show money. He's got some gash watch out. I

675
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's got NFL money though, But you

676
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: can get a bunch of investors together, and if you

677
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Speaker 1: do sell the team to what's the guarantee it's gonna

678
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Speaker 1: stay in Ohio? I think it's a big question anyway,

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Speaker 1: Nick Lachey eleven oh seven on The Scott's Own Show

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred wwll do news weather is moving in

681
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Speaker 1: one to three to five inches. The panic buying continues.

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Speaker 1: We've got you covered here on the Home of the

683
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Speaker 1: Red seven hundred ww Cincnati. But you are an awful person,

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Speaker 1: possibly the worst person in the history of persons, because

685
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Speaker 1: you eat meat.

686
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Speaker 2: As a meat eater, you're a horrible person.

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Speaker 1: That's usually the way militant vegans look at those of

688
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Speaker 1: us who enjoy meat products. And here to persuade you

689
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Speaker 1: to change your ways is doctor John Sambu Matsu. Good morning.

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Speaker 5: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, God, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well? Thanks. I'm an omnivore. I like it all.

693
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Speaker 2: What do we get wrong about meat?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Well, you know I grew up the same way.

695
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Speaker 6: But what we get wrong about meat is what we

696
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 6: get wrong about pretty much everything else.

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Speaker 3: The problem isn't meat. The problem isn't eating animals. The

698
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Speaker 3: problem is what we do to animals.

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Speaker 6: And what we do is we inflict mass violence against

700
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Speaker 6: them on them. And you know, I'm sure, well, let

701
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Speaker 6: me ask you, do you do care about animals?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I have a dog love animals.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Now, the thing is when we when we're raised, we

705
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Speaker 6: think of dogs and cats as somehow special. You know

706
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Speaker 6: that they're not like other animals, And it's simply not

707
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Speaker 6: the case scientifically. How pigs, chickens, sheep and so forth

708
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Speaker 6: are just as intelligent, just as affectionate, just is capable

709
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Speaker 6: of complex emotions as our own cats and dogs.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a fact, Okay, I don't discount that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So right now, people don't realize that the system that

712
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Speaker 3: we have in place, the food system, is killing about

713
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Speaker 3: eighty billion land animals every year, mostly birds animals, and

714
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Speaker 3: up to two point seven trillion marine animals every single year.

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Speaker 3: So there's this enormous mass of violence that has to

716
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Speaker 3: happen in order for us to eat our meat.

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Speaker 1: Yea fe And here's why I think most people are

718
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Speaker 1: fine with that. And I'm sure you know this is

719
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Speaker 1: the fact that, well, the animal kingdom in itself is

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Speaker 1: extremely violent. You know, a lion never gets permission to

721
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Speaker 1: eat a zebra thoesn't zero craps about its fields. Now,

722
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Speaker 1: as we get into the manufacturing and the business of

723
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Speaker 1: food manufacturing, including livestock, you know, different story. And I

724
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Speaker 1: understand and I get it that there are some mortal

725
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Speaker 1: implications there. But we have that we have because of

726
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Speaker 1: a higher learning. We have something that the rest most

727
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Speaker 1: of the other animal kingdom has, and that's a sense

728
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Speaker 1: of morality. There's no morality, that's a that's a human construct.

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Speaker 6: Well yes, no, Actually, the late primatologists, friends to Wall

730
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Speaker 6: and others have done enormous research on this, and they've

731
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Speaker 6: demonstrated that feelings of reciprocity, empathy, altruism in fact, can

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Speaker 6: be found in many, many, many species, so we i

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Speaker 6: mean humans.

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Speaker 3: Arrived on them as well.

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Speaker 6: Our sci safety has arrived here about evolved here about

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Speaker 6: two hund and fifty thousand years ago, So we're late

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Speaker 6: comers to complex emotions like empathy. So it's true that

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Speaker 6: only humans can talk about an annual, constant, categorical imperative,

739
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Speaker 6: which is, you know, a moral philosophy. So that doesn't

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Speaker 6: mean that that they said, you know, sentiments of care,

741
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Speaker 6: sentiments of fairness are not found in other species. Right,

742
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Speaker 6: if you've ever lived with two cats or two dogs

743
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Speaker 6: or whatnot, you know there's a kind of negotiating.

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Speaker 1: Right, But you're but you're equating livestock with domesticated animals.

745
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Speaker 1: So that's a false equivalency.

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Speaker 3: Why is that a false equivalence?

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Speaker 1: Well, because in the wild that doesn't exist. Now, you

748
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Speaker 1: may have primates that exhibit familial type of situations in context.

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Speaker 1: We see that with the late Jane goodall right, we

750
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Speaker 1: see that all the time. But when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: animals that provide sustenance for for human beings, that's entirely

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Speaker 1: a different matter. I mean, maybe within these species itself

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Speaker 1: or within the particular family, like a family of deer.

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Speaker 1: But again, you know, the tiger or the lion, or

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Speaker 1: the predator, be it a hawk or whatever, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: give a damn about the feelings of that animal.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a meal.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sure, But but as you were saying, you know,

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Speaker 6: we're not obgate carnivores, right, Lions look lions. If there

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Speaker 6: was a pack of lions somewhere, okay in Africa that

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Speaker 6: was debating whether to eat the als or not. And

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Speaker 6: this goes to your point about humans, you know, being

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Speaker 6: the only species with the kind of discourse about morality.

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Speaker 6: Right if one line says the other, hey, Joe, you

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Speaker 6: know you know those those gazelle's taste really good. But

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Speaker 6: I just I just have a bad feeling about it.

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Speaker 6: Like I was looking into the eye of that gausel

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Speaker 6: and I thought, you know what, we're not so different

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Speaker 6: me and that causeelle and the other and the other

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Speaker 6: lines and the other line say, well, you know what,

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Speaker 6: now they're just so good.

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Speaker 3: I just want to go on.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: The thing is lions have to eat other animals. That's

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Speaker 6: just biologically the fact that it's not true and people

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Speaker 6: misunderstand what it means to be quote and omnivle. It

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Speaker 6: doesn't mean that we have a moral or any other

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Speaker 6: kind of license to commit harm against other beings. It

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Speaker 6: means that we can metabolize pretty.

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Speaker 3: Much anything, including I would point out humans, right, I

782
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Speaker 3: mean cannibalism, anthropocages, and part of human many men, hundreds

783
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Speaker 3: of human cultures for thousands of years eating parts of

784
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Speaker 3: the human body. So we can't simply say, oh, it's natural.

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Speaker 1: It isn't.

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Speaker 3: It is no more natural than like downloading Netflix or something.

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Speaker 3: It's a cultural choice we make so and there's no

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Speaker 3: reason why we have to keep doing this.

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Speaker 1: And furthermore, well, okay, let's let's get an argument at

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Speaker 1: doctor John Samba Matsu the omnivorous deception, and and the

791
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Speaker 1: premise here is is it the morality of it? Is

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Speaker 1: that the environmental aspect, I mean, is there such a

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Speaker 1: thing as humane meat? Are you saying that's impossible?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I am saying that's impossible. Look, I mean if

795
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Speaker 6: someone came into your you said you have a dog,

796
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Speaker 6: someone came in. Yeah, someone came into your house, and

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Speaker 6: you know, bleudging your dog to death or stab your

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Speaker 6: dog in the throat or stomped on your dog or

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Speaker 6: skin your dog alive.

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Speaker 3: You would be troump and that was in front of you,

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Speaker 3: you would be traumatized.

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Speaker 1: And I would, But you know when I wouldn't if

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Speaker 1: I live in a country that in an Asian country

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Speaker 1: where that was looked upon as as a meal, like

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Speaker 1: like how those in India look at cows.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's cultural, and it's it's it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a new it's right, it's all fabricated in the

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Speaker 1: human mind. We can certainly know, but we can do

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Speaker 1: better by being, you know, better stewards of the earth

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Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom. Certainly, you know, factory farming. We

812
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Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of negative, a lot of

813
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Speaker 1: bad things that go on there. But the idea that

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Speaker 1: somehow we just wake up in a perfect world we

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Speaker 1: be all vegetarians, isn't Isn't there also a hazard in that?

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Speaker 6: No, there's no hazard in it. On the contrary, the

817
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 6: animal food economy is destroying. It's undermining the conditions of

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Speaker 6: all life on this planet. It's the most destructive force

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Speaker 6: on the Earth in terms of destroying top soil, in

820
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Speaker 6: terms of depleting water, destroying biodiversity, leading cause and massive

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Speaker 6: distinction crisis.

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Speaker 3: Which people don't even talk about.

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Speaker 6: And that's even worse than global warming, which animal agriculture

824
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Speaker 6: is contributing about thirty percent of greenhouse gases to. So no,

825
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Speaker 6: we have every intens to stop this. I mean, vegans

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Speaker 6: and vegetarians on balance, if you look at all the

827
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Speaker 6: ethical studies, live longer, they do better, they have lower

828
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Speaker 6: rates of parties.

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Speaker 3: These strokes okay.

830
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Speaker 1: But aren't many people's food choices literally constrained by economics

831
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Speaker 1: and culture and geography.

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Speaker 2: In a perfect world, you could do that, but this

833
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Speaker 2: is not. It's an imperfect world.

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Speaker 1: And framing this is an individual moral choice, it ignores

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Speaker 1: the issues of food access, agricultural pality, governments, politics, and

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Speaker 1: all that other stuff. You're ignoring that, You're you're ignoring

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Speaker 1: what creates this, and you can't do that.

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Speaker 3: No, I can't.

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Speaker 6: I can't agree with that. I mean that the food

840
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Speaker 6: insecurity is being created by the animal system because it's

841
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Speaker 6: creating enormous disparities of wealth between the North and the south.

842
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Speaker 6: You talk, you talk about people, farmers being thrown off

843
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Speaker 6: their land and the Amazon and so forth. To burn

844
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Speaker 6: down the Amazon rainforest by jbs. It suppliers to create

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Speaker 6: UH to provide beef. It's the most inefficient, wasteful way

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Speaker 6: to create food for humans. But just to correct you,

847
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that this is a question of individual

848
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Speaker 6: moral choice, not at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that this entire system has to be abolished, all.

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Speaker 6: Of it, because none of it is necessary, excuse me,

851
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Speaker 6: And all of it is wrong, it's unjust.

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Speaker 1: But again, you keep getting back to the semantics of

853
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Speaker 1: the human mind of unjust in these and their feelings

854
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Speaker 1: is what they are.

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Speaker 2: Morality of sense, but it has no basis in the

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Speaker 2: real world.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I keep ethics, so I can't agree with

858
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Speaker 3: you on this. I mean when you know you were saying, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know every everyone's ethics seem these days to be

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Speaker 1: up to the individual the eyes of the beholder, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any Well, that's that's moral

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Speaker 1: high ground here.

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Speaker 3: That's called moral relatives.

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Speaker 6: And getting back to a question i'd asked you about

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Speaker 6: how you would feel if someone attacked your dogs. You said, well,

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Speaker 6: and you said, if I'd been raised differently in another culture,

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Speaker 6: I might feel differently. That's true, but it's irrelevant because

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Speaker 6: your your capacity to using your intelligence and your empathy

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Speaker 6: to understand what had what would have been done to

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Speaker 6: your dog. You would understand that was unjust, that was

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Speaker 6: wrong to do to your dog, and it has nothing

872
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Speaker 6: to do with your cultural upbringing. I'm saying that that's

873
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 6: act knowledge, that's real knowledge. Whereas people in another culture

874
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 6: who might have been socialized to see dogs simply as

875
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 6: things be exploited and harmed, they are incorrect. You can't

876
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 6: compare those two forms of knowledge and say they're equipment.

877
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 6: They're not equivalent. You're understanding that your dog has personhood.

878
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 6: That is to say, is a someone.

879
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: Sure if your dog is a human right, but that

880
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: is that is that's a valid insight Scott, that you

881
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: have having lived with dogs. That's not true. That's not true.

882
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: Okay, But again it's you're taking out.

883
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: I suppose there are people who love pigs or eels

884
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, and we look at it going,

885
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't get it, it's not for me, but that

886
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: that in itself is human nature. How do you propose

887
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: you well, I guess before we get to that, John, Yeah,

888
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: the idea so in apperfect. What would happen to the

889
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: animal kingdom, we just let the animals run. What would

890
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: there be any justification for killing animals, whether for pleasure

891
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: obviously hunting would be out with you, but for a

892
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: food source.

893
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: Do we just let the animal kingdom run its af.

894
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's have a moratorium on the harm that we're committing.

895
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 6: I just said that we're killing twillions of animals per year.

896
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 6: We're wiping them out like sharks.

897
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: You know.

898
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: I asked my students sometimes how many humans are killed

899
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 6: by sharks every year? And you know, interestingly, they get

900
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 6: that about like they say about you know, between ten

901
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 6: and fifteen humans are killed by sharks every year, and

902
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: we think the sharks are scary, dangerous, irrational creatures. Right,

903
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 6: there's the fiftieth anniversary year of Jaws. But then I

904
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 6: asked them, well, how many sharks are killed by humans

905
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 6: every year? And they guess, oh, thousands, No, thousand, Okay,

906
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 6: it's one hundred million. It's one hundred million sharks every

907
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 6: year are being killed by humans. And those are intelligent,

908
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: sensitive creatures and we don't even know. People don't even

909
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 6: know that because they're considered.

910
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: Because of a Steven Spielberg movie.

911
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: Well, Spielberg's need to have a huge had a huge impact.

912
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 6: Right, So the sharks sin supernat But listen, my point

913
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 6: is this, other animals are interesting, intelligent, They're worthy of

914
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 6: our respect and our compassion.

915
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: They're worthy of our love, you know, And we shouldn't destroy.

916
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 6: We can't let me. We can't love what we seek

917
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 6: to destroy. So yes, hunting, fishing.

918
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: We don't need any of that. There've been vegetarians for

919
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: three thousand years, vegan diety, so it's.

920
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: Slio only like ten to twenty percent of the population.

921
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if your idea was so sound, why wouldn't

922
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: we see more of it, especially not just in developed

923
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: nations but elsewhere.

924
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: Well, it's not as though, you know, the best ideas

925
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: went out.

926
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 6: Look, Jesus came up two thousand years ago and said, hey,

927
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 6: let's you know, love your brother.

928
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: So they killed him, you know, and how have humans

929
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: been doing since then? Right? Whatever?

930
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 6: You know, Martin Luther King, hey let's let's have love,

931
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 6: racial equality and end to war.

932
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: And they killed him too, like right, because.

933
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: There's no because there's no universal I mean, we like

934
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: to think there's a universal morality speaking of the Bible,

935
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: but it's not. And that's why we have we have

936
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: human conflict, which is outside the scope of this conversations.

937
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: We're talking about eliminating the meat economy, So no, no

938
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: killing of animals and a prof in doctor John's world,

939
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: we don't have. We have animals just living their lives grazing.

940
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: What do we do so then we would need obviously

941
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: more crop Well, I don't know if we more crops,

942
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: we still need crops to survive. How do you balance

943
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: the fact that the animals would just eat the crops

944
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: and how would you keep those animals in check from

945
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: eating all your crops.

946
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you know, we this idea of

947
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 6: wild nature basically had ceased to exist because we've we've

948
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 6: turned the entirety of the world into a kind of

949
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 6: prison house.

950
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: Ninety ninety six percent I believe.

951
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 6: Of all mammals on the Earth by biomass by weight,

952
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 6: excluding humans, are our prisoners waiting slaughter. Ninety six percent

953
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 6: on the entire earthmall birds on the planetact are our

954
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 6: prisoners waiting slaughter. So, and the thing is, if we

955
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 6: if we stopped raising animals, we've closed down the speed loots,

956
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 6: we would be able to reforce the earth that would

957
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 6: sequester up.

958
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: But if you let these animals just simply go Okay,

959
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: you're free. Now you're released from this prison that you

960
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: just said. Won't they just continue to breed and if

961
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: they breed, they breed up to the point where they

962
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: can sustain life, which means eating our food supply. How

963
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: do you balance that out? If the animals run wild

964
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to kill them, John, what's going

965
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: to prevent them from eating all our food?

966
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 6: I think that you know, it's a serious question to

967
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 6: ask what we're going to do with the existing animals

968
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 6: we're brought into them, you know, uh, sexually reproduced, mutilated

969
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 6: in order to bring into the world for our purposes.

970
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 6: That's that's a legitimate question. But what I'm saying is

971
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 6: we should stop sexually reproducing keeping confining new animals because

972
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 6: we could, we could save this out, this out.

973
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, while with the old animals continue to breed, and

974
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: you're not answering the questions like they're just going to

975
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: eat all our food, aren't they?

976
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 6: They're not going to eat all our food. They're already

977
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 6: eating first of all, the the food that's being grown.

978
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 6: It's not being grown for human consumption. It's being grown

979
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 6: to create profits for you know pargy.

980
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: Now, and we also the fact that we like it's profit. John,

981
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: But I like a steak. I know you don't.

982
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: But steak, chicken, fish, foul, I'm a big fan, is

983
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: about ninety eighty to ninety percent of the rest of

984
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: the world.

985
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: So don't diminish that.

986
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, but you know, there's such a thing as

987
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 6: moral enlightenment, and that's what I'm talking about here. I'm

988
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 6: talking about you said you like, well I did too.

989
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: I used to like that stuff. But the human talent

990
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: is plastic, it's malleable.

991
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 6: I don't miss any of that stuff, you know, having

992
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 6: made that transition forty years ago. Seriously, I mean, if

993
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 6: you talk to anyone who's actually made that transition, they

994
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 6: don't look back.

995
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: It's simply right. I mean people, well, but.

996
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: That's not you. That's not all vegetarians are I mean,

997
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: vegans a different class. But plenty of people who have

998
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: experimented with that said, yeah, it's just not for me.

999
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: I don't feel well. I enjoy having maybe less meat

1000
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: but still eating meat.

1001
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 6: Well, we're talking about different kinds of goods here, right,

1002
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 6: which I mean you're you're talking about pleasure, you know,

1003
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 6: having a an aesthetic preference on the one hand, and

1004
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 6: I'm talking about something that's deeply deeply wrong, deeply deeply wrong.

1005
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 6: It's simply, deeply, deeply wrong to inflict unnecessary violence, extreme

1006
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 6: violence on other beings, helpless, defenseless, intelligent beings, is simply

1007
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 6: wrong to do.

1008
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: Then have a conversation with tigers and lions. Well, will

1009
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: they listen to you? Will they just eat you?

1010
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 6: Well, as I just said, you know, we're not oppigate

1011
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 6: carnivores and we can we have a choice, right, I mean,

1012
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 6: how you saying Leonardo da Vinci and Jane You mentioned

1013
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 6: Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall was a vegan, She advocated the

1014
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 6: vegan Was she was she crazy?

1015
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: Was she? No?

1016
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: But but you think people who eat meat are that's

1017
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: the difference. I respect your decision. But do you think

1018
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: that I'm some sort of criminal against the world because

1019
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: I enjoy a steak?

1020
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: That's crazy?

1021
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think.

1022
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're a criminal, but I'm saying that

1023
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 6: it's wrong. Yeah, And I think that you should think

1024
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 6: about it and make it and and do something differently

1025
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 6: about with your life.

1026
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: I do.

1027
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 6: I think that's that's true. And I think it's true

1028
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 6: that people who don't reflect in this matter are missing

1029
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 6: something very important. I mean, I begin my book by saying, Look,

1030
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 6: people think the question of need and eating animal product

1031
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 6: is trivial.

1032
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: What could be more trivial?

1033
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 6: Right? I'm sure on your talk show you have a

1034
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 6: you know, lots of debates about a lot of really

1035
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 6: important topical issues, right, and your listeners, you know, take

1036
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 6: these issues seriously. This is the one where you cannot

1037
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 6: talk to anyone without them going holistic. If a vegan

1038
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 6: is in the room and says, hey, here's the system

1039
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 6: of math, violence, of degradation and cruelty, and I don't

1040
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 6: want to participate in that. If we even say that, right,

1041
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 6: fine with that.

1042
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: No, I respect your No. I can't say for the

1043
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: person who may be listening to this right now y'all

1044
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: get their radio. But I know I totally was. I

1045
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: don't think I was disrespectful. I'm challenging, but I respect

1046
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: your viewpoint. I understand where you're coming from.

1047
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying no. I appreciate that.

1048
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you, but I'm just saying that general

1049
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 6: vegan people get not they go. They're very defensive about

1050
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 6: this because they do not want to examine the issue.

1051
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 6: And I just ask people read my book and keep

1052
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 6: an open mind. Just read the first chapter of my

1053
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 6: book and keep an open mind, and I think that

1054
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 6: what will happen. You'll see things a little differently. That's

1055
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 6: what I'm trying to do, is people to understand that

1056
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 6: this is something that matters. It's not to be dismissed.

1057
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 6: And you know, with bad arguments, you know, I get

1058
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 6: so many bad arguments, Well what about carrots? Carrots are

1059
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 6: alive too, you know, what about it? Or what about

1060
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 6: you know, the line with the gazelle. That has nothing

1061
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 6: to do okay, whether we should keep pigs and kill them,

1062
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 6: there's nothing. Just what the lines do with their business,

1063
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 6: you know. And I'm saying there's nothing to do with uh.

1064
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 12: I think it does.

1065
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I just think we have a lot of humans, a

1066
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: lot of time on our hands and Google an AI,

1067
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: and I think we sit around worrying about stuff that

1068
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: previous generations probably didn't worry about it. I'm not saying

1069
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: we can't be better with the environment. We need to

1070
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: and and better stewards of the animal kingdom, for sure.

1071
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't really have much qualms from aray

1072
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: a morality standpoint about eating meat.

1073
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 6: But again, it's not about Leney. But it's not about

1074
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 6: eating meat. It's like, how can you how can you

1075
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 6: be indifferent, Scott? How can you be in different to

1076
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 6: this incredible violence and pools that's being inflicted on billions

1077
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 6: and billions of your fellows.

1078
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: If I eat meat, then I'm mortally implicit. I'm guilty

1079
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: of the the you know, quote unquote crime that you're intinuating.

1080
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: But hey, I gotta get going if doctor Johnson, But

1081
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I really enjoyed the conversation, the ominimor's deception,

1082
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: what we get wrong about meat, animals, and ourselves.

1083
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: Lots of think about there. All the best, got luck

1084
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: with the book, and thanks for jumping on this morning.

1085
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Scott.

1086
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Speaker 2: Yes, the age old debate about meat. Should I eat it?

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Speaker 2: Should I not eat it?

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Speaker 1: Am I eating the face of a poor animal that

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00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: has been raised in horrible conditions by horrible people with

1090
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: horrible intent? That is making the planet more horrible? Some

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00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: people believe that.

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00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: Other people believe, Hey, you know what my ancestors did,

1093
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: It were wired that way. It is all good.

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00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you next why he might get

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00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: his way and your thoughts on this whole thing too, maybe, uh,

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00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: you're not ready to give up a drumstick yet, and

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: I'll probably from your cold dead hands. That's kind of

1098
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: how I feel. But what's the future role. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into that right afternoon. Sloaney on seven hundred WW. Sloony

1100
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: here seven hundred WW. God knows how I am a

1101
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: creature of advertising marketing, but got our friends from Fox

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00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: nineteen Ken ken Baker's on kicking with can Man and uh,

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00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Friday is froz O Day. Frozen yogurt tans doing this

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00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: thing from a yogurt place like I. You know, I'm

1105
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: sure you scheduled this ahead of time because it takes concembla,

1106
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: But I don't know how many people are rocking on.

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00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: You know what I need today with the three five

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00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: inches coming, Gotta get some frozen yogurt in me.

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00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: Maybe soup, I don't know.

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00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: I would tell a man do his job. He's good

1112
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: at it. He's good at it.

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00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: Sloane here on seven hundred wlw Uh, speaking of food

1114
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: related things, just got off with doctor John Sun Bamatsu

1115
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: has a book out about why We're all evil if

1116
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: you eat meat. And the idea is if you eliminate meat,

1117
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: the world will be a better place. And I'll play

1118
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: that game a little bit, because then we get into

1119
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: the you know, and I was guilty of a two that.

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00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, a tiger doesn't really care because they don't

1121
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: have empathy, they don't have feels like we do, as

1122
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: to why they would eat in another animal. It's simply sustenance.

1123
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: And the argument about humane treatment always comes up too.

1124
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: And the problem isn't eating the animals, right, it's about

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Speaker 1: factory farming, okay, because there's damage to the earth, the

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00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: eCos for everything suffers because of our dependence on meat.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's play the game a second. I

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00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: don't have time to get into it with him, but

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Speaker 1: this is about affordability largely drives all of us. I

1130
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: don't care how third world you might be, but it's

1131
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: an issue of supply Demand's about affordability. And we said

1132
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: that as capitalists here in America, or at least our

1133
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: version of it anyway. But let me explain a second.

1134
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Speaker 1: So the problem is factory farming. Get away with the

1135
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: factory farms, and some, not all, will admit that, Hey,

1136
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Speaker 1: you know, if you did like locally raised, locally sourced materis,

1137
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: that's great, that's awesome, locally sourced, okay, But what happens

1138
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: if you get away from the factory farming and the

1139
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: problems that factory farming has, Well, what winds up happening

1140
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: is no one can afford the product he mark. So

1141
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: ultimately is that your goal kind of like, you know,

1142
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: by taxing the crap out of gas, by getting rid

1143
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: of parking in Cincinnati, drive the cost of it up,

1144
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: and therefore it's like, well, maybe now this will push

1145
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: you towards public transports, It'll push you towards an ev

1146
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: right because the gas prices, you're going to get rid

1147
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: of that gas guzzling suv or big truck. Why we

1148
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: because gas is now it's incredible, it's ten dollars a gallon,

1149
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get small cars. I mean, that's you know,

1150
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: how we rearrange the economy through policy in order to

1151
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: force people to do what normally we don't want to do.

1152
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: And that's used by both Democrats and Republicans. But let's

1153
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: just consider ford All went away. First of all, you

1154
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: would have a massive black market emergence as you did

1155
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: when we banned the good idea of hey, we need

1156
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: to ban alcohol in America. What's the worst that could happen? Well,

1157
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: people die from bathtub gin. Well you had the rise

1158
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: of gangsters. Well you had you know, in a time

1159
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: we need to need it. You had job loss, okay,

1160
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: and the same thing would happen here. You'd have black markets,

1161
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: you would have massive job think of the ranching, meat processing, dairy,

1162
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: leather goods, food manufacturer supply chains would collapse, and you

1163
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Speaker 1: have these rural communities. What's left of rural communities are

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Speaker 1: built around livestock operations. It would face an incredible economic collapse.

1165
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: And you're talking around the globe, probably tens of millions

1166
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: of jobs. And what are the transferable skills? If you're

1167
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: a rancher too, what are you going to do? And

1168
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: not only that, you have immigrant labor, largely immigrant labor.

1169
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: People the lowest rung of the American totem pole hoping

1170
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: to get their foot up are in the meat processing workforce.

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm sure that the same folks worry

1172
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Speaker 1: about vulnerable populations, that's a pretty vulnerable population. And what

1173
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: about all from a business side, you have these huge

1174
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: capital investments in slaughterhouses and processing facilities, refrigeration storage, what

1175
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: about people who service those things? The financial system would

1176
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: absolutely blown apart if you just simply said, okay, that's it,

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Speaker 1: we're going to a factory farming. And I think you

1178
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: know the other things too, is the products the byproducts

1179
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: from animal agriculture are used in different industries, so it

1180
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Speaker 1: wouldn't just be in that sector, be in I don't know,

1181
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals for example. You know insulin historically we get from pigs.

1182
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: How do you replace that on the scale you need

1183
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: to replace it? Did you think about that? And the

1184
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: act is like, well, we just returned the land of

1185
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: mother nature. Okay, so the grazing land and I don't know,

1186
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, in Montana, for example, we got a lot

1187
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: of range out there, you know, the pastures or in

1188
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: Scotland for them in the Scottish highlands, so you just

1189
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: can't convert that to grow soybean. You're pretty limited in

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Speaker 1: what you can develop on that land. And so the

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: land becomes unproductive, what happens to the asset and the

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Speaker 1: value there and the control grazing on the same so

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Speaker 1: is used for land management. So you know, we were

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00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: about wildfires, Well, wouldn't we have more fires because you

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Speaker 1: don't have the animals that are eating that stuff if

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Speaker 1: you just simply reverted the land back to mother nature.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of conservation efforts depend

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Speaker 1: on livestock to maintain those habitats, and if you removed

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Speaker 1: all the animal agriculture, you have these the new set

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Speaker 1: of unintended ecological consequences. So we're trying to avoid all

1201
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Speaker 1: the pitfalls of factory farming, the waste by products and

1202
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: the demand on the environment and greenhouse gases. Okay, oh

1203
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 1: well and good, But the other side of that would

1204
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: be what I just described here. We'd have a different

1205
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: set but a holy new set of problems, not only

1206
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: for humanity but for the environment.

1207
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: So what are you solving? You're just trading one problem

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: for another. It sounds like, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, I get there's a humanitarian principle here and

1210
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: how we're treating the earth and all that stuff, But

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01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, there is a factor that we have and

1212
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: not only that, if you look at factory farming, the problem.

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: The problem is the factory farming.

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Speaker 2: But what did that mean?

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01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: So industrial agriculture as we know it, factor of going

1216
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: from the locally sourced stuff like we have now. And

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Speaker 1: if you're wealthy and you know you're educating, you can

1218
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: afford it. You can afford to go to a store

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Speaker 1: and buy all vegan, all you know, locally sourd stuff.

1220
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Speaker 1: That's great, but it's going to cost you a lot

1221
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: more money that most people don't have. And so what

1222
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: happened was industrial agriculture increase meat and dairy and egg production,

1223
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: and it dropped costs because you're doing it in scale.

1224
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you think about it, you go

1225
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Speaker 1: back to nineteen hundred, a chicken was a luxury. That's

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Speaker 1: why you know Sunday dinn we're having chicken on Sunday

1227
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: because maybe the only day of the week he got meat.

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01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: Because I think I saw this in I think nineteen hundred,

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01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: for example, a whole chicken would cause to eight day's wages. Today,

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01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Costco and get an entire

1231
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: roast chicken for six dollars six bucks. That is an

1232
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: incredible Now we're all paying the prime. You know, back

1233
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: to the human suffering going on. We're all eating or

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01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: we're killing ourselves with a knife and fork. Sure, but

1235
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: the access of protein which we know is critical to

1236
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: our livelihood, was unknown back in the day.

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Speaker 2: Well everyone was thinned back that. Yeah, because food was

1238
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: a luxury. Man. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that water,

1239
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: clean water was a luxury.

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Speaker 1: That's why people were in soldiers a ration ale because

1241
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: it was clean. You know, you weren't going to get

1242
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: sick from drinking contaminated water.

1243
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: So they drank.

1244
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: Wow, they got drunk while they're fighting. No, it's because

1245
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: if you drink, you'd get sick and die dysentery. We

1246
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: don't have that problem anymore. And I mentioned you know

1247
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: the pigs and the insulin. Well, we've got evolutions and

1248
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: genetics and veterinarian medicine and all these things because of

1249
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: our need for animals. So you can make a case

1250
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: that the human condition got better now. Granted, there are

1251
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: people around the world still starving. That's the great paradox

1252
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: of the world is that we've got all those food

1253
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: and even in our own country, right, we waste a

1254
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. But my god, a couple of generations

1255
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: they'd be looking at like, man, you guys hit the

1256
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: jackpot here.

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Speaker 2: You can get a hold chicken for six bucks. Yeah,

1258
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: it was you know certainly.

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01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say in someone's lifetime right now, be like

1260
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: you one hundred and twenty six years old. But yeah,

1261
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: certainly your parents, great your grandparents for sure may remember

1262
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: those days, or great grandparents for that matter. Anyway, careful

1263
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: what you wish for, you might just get it. I

1264
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: think that is the takeaway from the we need to

1265
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: close the factory farms down. It's like, okay, let's just

1266
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: wave a magic want to do that, although probably would say, well,

1267
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: you're not good. You're going to do with the course

1268
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: of decades and yeah, but if the needle moves slowly,

1269
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to change at all. And

1270
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: I think the way they get what they want is

1271
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: to simply make everything so costly you have no afford.

1272
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: You know, you have no other way to eat and

1273
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: survive than to scrap to eat, you know, with the

1274
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: diet they kind of want. But does that what does

1275
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: that look like for our country? What's that look like

1276
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: for our world?

1277
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: For that matter?

1278
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: Again, you trade one problem for different ones. That's that's

1279
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:11,479
Speaker 2: an issue.

1280
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: At five with three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: Robin and Oxford on the Big One, Good morning, how

1282
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: are you hi?

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01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 8: Scott, how are you.

1284
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm good.

1285
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 8: I listen to you quite a bit when I'm not working.

1286
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: I call myself quite a bit and I'm not working either.

1287
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: We have that in common.

1288
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 10: You talk.

1289
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 8: I talk almost as much as you do. Anyway, I'm

1290
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 8: totally with John I everything you just said. I enjoy

1291
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 8: your show. I agree with you on a lot of topics,

1292
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 8: but not this. You're you're you're skirting around. You're like

1293
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 8: diving in and out of the whole reality of the issue.

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 13: What's the reality is what gives us human beings the

1295
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 13: right to eat another sensement being. I used to live

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Speaker 13: on a cowl a beast cattle farm. Okay, I know

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01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 13: when my ex would take the cows that he was taking.

1298
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 8: To slaughter out of the pastor. I mean you have

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01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 8: to see it to believe it. And the others, I

1300
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 8: mean they form communities.

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01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 13: The others would new and cry all night. I've been

1302
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 13: to a slaughterhouse, you know, the Paul McCartney. I'm saying,

1303
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 13: if squatter house has had glass walls, people wouldn't eat meat,

1304
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 13: and the whole, the whole. This is like I've never

1305
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 13: called into you, but this is like this is by

1306
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 13: the hot top of you.

1307
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: You're fired up.

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01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 4: I love it.

1309
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 8: I am fired up the very firing personality. So you're okay.

1310
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 8: I'm sixty eight years old. You can look me up

1311
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 8: on Facebook. I don't have any heart disease. I don't

1312
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 8: have any blood pressure issues. I'm not diabetic.

1313
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 13: And if people look, I worked as a center director

1314
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 13: for years for Jenny Craig. The obesity, the heart disease,

1315
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 13: the diabetes in our country is is so disgustingly out

1316
01:04:59,400 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 13: of control.

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: No, let me let me jump in. Let me jump

1318
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: in a second. Here a couple of points you made.

1319
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: Number one is on the Jenny Craig.

1320
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

1321
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: Part of the problem is it's not the factor eating meat.

1322
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: It's a factorating highly processed food. That's the problem that

1323
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: that has a lot to thriveboard. So it's not it's

1324
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: not a meat debate. And the other thing is he said,

1325
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: what gives us the right Well, the fact I can't

1326
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: see what I'm doing right now. Can you see what

1327
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now? You probably can't see. I have

1328
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: an opposable thumb. And as as a human being, it's

1329
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: survival through sustenance. That is nothing new. I mean, we have.

1330
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 8: Without eating it. No I don't believe that at all grained.

1331
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 8: And that's a bunch of ship without meat and the

1332
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 8: and I probably.

1333
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 13: Spend half of what you need eat ors eat at

1334
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 13: the spend at the grocery store.

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 8: I see, I may, but.

1336
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: But you may go spend a lot of money, I

1337
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: don't know, makeup or something. I look at you and go,

1338
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: why do you need all that money? You can't tell

1339
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: other people what to spend the money. I'm hey, I

1340
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: got a rob I gotta go. I appreciate I wish

1341
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: would have called earlier. That's pretty good, Robin and k Oxford. Thanks,

1342
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: so listen. I gotta get to a news update' run

1343
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: a little bit late. We got to switch it up.

1344
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: Was off of because nick Lache is waiting and he

1345
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: is trashing the Bengals.

1346
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: Nickolasche our.

1347
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: Nick Lache is calling demanding that Mike Brown sell the

1348
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. We'll find out who Nickolache is to demand

1349
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: someone sell something that they own. That's next on the show,

1350
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW Cincinnati.

1351
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl sixties all set.

1352
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: You got the Atriots back again, you got the Seattle

1353
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: Seahawks back again.

1354
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: The Bengals are not back again. The Bengals.

1355
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: It's been five years since our Bengals went to the

1356
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and Nick Lache has had enough. He just

1357
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: dropped this song on social This is.

1358
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: In the name of j Barrow.

1359
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 7: Who should take your bells and go.

1360
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: On the phone. Well, damn, damn share.

1361
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: That's baby making music. That's not a diss track. That's

1362
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: baby making music.

1363
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 11: You got there, Well, maybe we killed two birds who

1364
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 11: wants thumb make some babies and people off?

1365
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: Wow that there you go?

1366
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: Well wow, how did I? How did I come into

1367
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: the sword? Well, it was because the Bengals suck. That's

1368
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: how you were born.

1369
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 11: That's how something, something good should come out of them.

1370
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 3: At this point, what's going on?

1371
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: Where are you right now?

1372
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: You're in l a.

1373
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: A.

1374
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're smart because it's too damn cold to

1375
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: come here and do this live right.

1376
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm talking to my family back back east and

1377
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 11: it is absolutely freezing cold. So uh yeah, I'm not

1378
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 11: I'm not jealous of that.

1379
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, missing we're jealous of you. We got snow today too.

1380
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: So how to help nickolaiche H? How did you become

1381
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: the de facto voice of those long abused Bengals fan?

1382
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: How did this happen.

1383
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 11: I'm a long abused Banks fan, you know. It's it's

1384
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 11: been I guess, about forty five years since I first

1385
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 11: started watching the Bengals, and I've been on the same

1386
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 11: you know, roller coaster that everyone else in that city has,

1387
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 11: and man, I don't know, it just felt like enough

1388
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 11: is enough. It's it's uh, you know, we've been so

1389
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 11: beat down in the fan base, and I feel like

1390
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 11: at this point, most people they're just like, well, I

1391
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 11: guess it's just the way it's going to be for

1392
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 11: my life, and we'll get them next year. And I

1393
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 11: just I feel like it doesn't have to be that way,

1394
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 11: you know. And I think people have started to lose hope,

1395
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 11: and even worse, I feel like eventually the players start

1396
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 11: to lose hope, and you get you get the Carson

1397
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 11: Palmer situation where players, you know, just want out. It's

1398
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 11: just it doesn't have to be that way. And and

1399
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 11: so I just was trying to find a fun, kind

1400
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 11: of interesting way to express all that dissatisfaction. And I

1401
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 11: love writing writing music, It's what I do obviously, so

1402
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 11: I figured this is a good way to kind of

1403
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 11: get my get my feelings out. Breck cathartic.

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have an opportunity to that. Most of

1405
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: us don't, all right, So it's not the first time.

1406
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean I've been around long enough to remember the

1407
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: nineties and that that dire straight when fans were showing

1408
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: up to games with bags of their heads asking Mike

1409
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: to sell the team. Then what's changed in those last

1410
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: thirty years?

1411
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 11: Nothing, nothing's changed. I mean I think every now and then,

1412
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 11: and I said this in my in my post a

1413
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 11: few weeks back, when you know, when they announced they

1414
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 11: weren't making any changes to to to any of the personnel,

1415
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 11: to the coaching staff, to you know, Duke Tobin was

1416
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 11: coming back. I mean, I just said, this is ridiculous.

1417
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 11: We have totally accepted losing, and our ownership is not

1418
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 11: interested in winning. I mean, I think it's just purely

1419
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 11: what bigger sample size do we need at this point

1420
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 11: than you know, the thirty five years that he's run

1421
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 11: this team. I mean it's absolutely We've had eight winning seasons,

1422
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 11: eight in thirty five years. Yeah, yeah, I mean you

1423
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 11: can it's just dumb luck. And I said that, I said,

1424
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 11: every now and then we catch finding at the bottle

1425
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 11: might making Super Bowl when a playoff game, and it

1426
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 11: keeps us to the fan base on the hook. But

1427
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 11: I think we have to start to demand more. I mean,

1428
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 11: this is a football rabid city. We all know that

1429
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 11: we love football, We love our Bengals, and unfortunately our

1430
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 11: Bengals don't love us back. And that's you know, that's

1431
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 11: an abusive relationship, quite honestly, and and he needs to

1432
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 11: be called out for it. I mean the proof is

1433
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 11: in everyone's in the analytics these days, right, It's all

1434
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 11: a numbers game. In terms of the numbers. Mike Brown

1435
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 11: is a loser. He's a He's a historic loser. I

1436
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 11: didn't realize that Bengals set an NFL record for the

1437
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 11: fewest games needed to reach two hundred losses. I mean

1438
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 11: it's historic losing that we've all been witnessed to and

1439
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 11: quite frankly, have financially supported for the thirty five years.

1440
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 11: I mean, people, can you know, they're harder money. They

1441
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 11: take their harder money, go out to sit in the

1442
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 11: cold and watch what he refuses to improve as a

1443
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 11: product on the field, and it just it's it's ridiculous.

1444
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: Well, but but I will say this, I think you're

1445
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: looking Nicklas ain't the wrong damn scoreboard to the best

1446
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: stretch arguably, and they might.

1447
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: Brown tenure was the Marvin Lewis hera.

1448
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: Six way had six wild card appearances in seven years,

1449
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: but six eliminations in those wildcard games never advanced.

1450
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: But you're looking at the wrong scoreboard.

1451
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: The value of this team, Nick is five point five

1452
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: billion with a buff of an initial investment I think

1453
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: of eight million dollars. That's a sixty nine thousand percent

1454
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: return since nineteen sixty seven, or twelve point four percent annually.

1455
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: That's better than the market average of ten percent. Are

1456
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: you looking at the wrong scoreboard.

1457
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 11: No, I'm looking at the right scorebard, which why I'm

1458
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 11: saying sell the team and take your five point nine

1459
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 11: or whatever it is billion, and walk into the sunset

1460
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 11: and let someone else take over the team who's interested

1461
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 11: in winning and interested in creating a winning culture for

1462
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 11: the people of Cincinnati. That's what we deserve as a

1463
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 11: fan base. That's what the Bengals deserve, the players deserve.

1464
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 11: You've shown clearly you're not interested in providing that, you know,

1465
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 11: in establishing a winning culture. Mike Brown's not interested in

1466
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 11: doing that. He's interested in the numbers. You just dropped

1467
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 11: he's interested in what the team's worth. So sell it

1468
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 11: and walk off into the sunset and let another ownership

1469
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 11: group come in who can who can try and do

1470
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 11: it the winner in Cincinnati. I know everyone's worried if

1471
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 11: Mike Brown sells the team that the Bengals are leaving Cincinnati.

1472
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 11: I don't think the NFL is interested in the Bengals

1473
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 11: leaving Cincinnati. It's good for the NFL to have a

1474
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 11: team in Cincinnati. It's good for the city. It's not

1475
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 11: There's plenty of other ownership groups that could come in,

1476
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 11: build a winner and keep it right there in Cincinnati.

1477
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 11: It doesn't have to be one of the others.

1478
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: Could you move it to Well, Cleveland needs a football team?

1479
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:26,799
Speaker 1: Could we move to Cleveland.

1480
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 11: Wow, they've got a football team that may be even

1481
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 11: worse than ours. Sat again starts.

1482
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1483
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 11: The minute we start comparing ourselves to the Browns, we're

1484
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 11: in really bad stage. So you know what the bottom

1485
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 11: line is, we have a probably not probably in one

1486
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 11: hundred percent. We have the most incredible quarterback in the

1487
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 11: history of our franchise who's in the prime of his career.

1488
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 11: And what I'm afraid of, and I think what the

1489
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 11: people is sin Satiy should be afraid of, is that

1490
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 11: he's going to get frustrated to the point of saying,

1491
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 11: you know what, I can't take this anymore. I want

1492
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 11: to win and it's not going to happen here, and

1493
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 11: I want out. And I think we saw shit. Is

1494
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 11: it out a little bit this year though, even though

1495
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 11: he would deny it, But this is the this is

1496
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 11: the prime moment. I thought, like many people did, that

1497
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 11: when he came, he's a perfect quarterback for our team.

1498
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 11: I O kid, And there I thought the whole thing

1499
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 11: was gonna change that finally the Bengal was gonna find

1500
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 11: a way to redefine who they were as a franchise.

1501
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 11: And here we are, you know, four or five years later,

1502
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 11: feeling like the same thing is happening all over again.

1503
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 11: And it's just it's it's really sad, honestly. It's just

1504
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 11: that for the people who have supported this team, you know,

1505
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 11: so passionately and loyally for for decades, and you know,

1506
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 11: he put through the same cycle of futilities, it's unfortunately,

1507
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 11: all right.

1508
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: Nickola, do you want you want to buy this? As

1509
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: if that says are you trying to leverage him? So

1510
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: you can squeeze and help buy this team. Maybe not

1511
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: just I mean, you've got that ridiculous love is blind money.

1512
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 1: I get that, the ninety eighth agreement, ridiculous ten seasons.

1513
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna shoot a here. You're a multi uh

1514
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't even count that high. You got

1515
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: all this money, You're gonna buy this seam. You're gonna

1516
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: get some friends together. And this is about the leverage

1517
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: and Mike brought out so you can swoop in and

1518
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: save the day.

1519
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 11: I wish that was the case. I wish I had

1520
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 11: anything close to uh to the money would take to

1521
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 11: buy an enough a French No, of course not.

1522
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm a fan.

1523
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, I'm a fan, and

1524
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 11: I want to see this team when I've been through

1525
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 11: the heartbreak I've been, I've been at the playoff games.

1526
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 11: I've seen the futility. I've been you know, been to

1527
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 11: the Super Bowl, I've watched it all happen. I'm a fan,

1528
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 11: and I would love to see this horrible cycle that

1529
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 11: we've been living in as fans. I'd like to see

1530
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 11: it change. And I think that's never going to change

1531
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 11: as long as Mike Brown is the owner.

1532
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: What makes you think somebody somebody else comes in and

1533
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: buys it. I don't know, private equitever the hell it is? Uh,

1534
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: And it's not you're involved in this thing. I mean,

1535
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 1: it could be they want up moving the team, or

1536
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: maybe careful what you wish for.

1537
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: Maybe it does get worse.

1538
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: Is that possible.

1539
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 11: I don't think it's possible for it get for it

1540
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 11: to get worse. Honestly, I think you know you can.

1541
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 11: You can luck yourself into a playoff appearance every few years.

1542
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 11: I don't think that that's I don't think that's a

1543
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 11: fear of it getting worse. But I do think that

1544
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 11: And I think people with sinstantia are are right to

1545
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 11: be a word, you know, worried about this, that someone

1546
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 11: would come in and move the team. I just don't

1547
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 11: think that's gonna happen. I've I've got strong, strong feelings

1548
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 11: that the NFL does not want to see the team move.

1549
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 11: I don't know if the NFL would would mind and

1550
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 11: that ownership change. I mean, look at Buffalo. You know,

1551
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 11: they've they were sold. Rob Wilson, you know, passed, and

1552
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 11: they sold the team and now they're building a new

1553
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 11: stadium and the team's you know, for a playoff, you know, contender.

1554
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 11: So I mean, it doesn't mean the team has to move.

1555
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 11: Cincinnati is a great football town. I mean, look, my god,

1556
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 11: we've supported a team that's been horrible. We've been selling

1557
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 11: out that stadium for for for decades on on on

1558
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 11: horrible products that are being praded out in front of us.

1559
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 11: I mean, what more do you need to see, you know,

1560
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 11: as an owner than that. It doesn't mean the team

1561
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 11: is moving and leaving Cincinnati if the ownership changes. Also

1562
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 11: what they watched. But that's what they watch to think though, right,

1563
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 11: I mean, it's your base, you know, mentality like hey,

1564
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 11: well yeah, don't take the team, just we don't.

1565
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 4: We don't care what it looks like.

1566
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 11: Just don't take our teams. Don't take our team. I

1567
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 11: think that's that's kind of what we've been, you know,

1568
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 11: like a bludgeoned into into believing it's not it's not

1569
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 11: necessarily the case.

1570
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: Here's what, here's why I don't think that's true.

1571
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: Right, there's the Art Modell rule with basically said when

1572
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: Art Modell moved the move to Baltimore and subsequent win

1573
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, to tell you how curse Cleveland.

1574
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: Maybe the state is with professional football.

1575
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they enacted the Armada, so meaning

1576
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: if you take public money that you've got to give

1577
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: them six months to get a Ohio ownership group together

1578
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: to buy the team at fair market value. That's what

1579
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: it says. So they just took public money. By the way,

1580
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: seventy four percent of the money to redo pay Corps

1581
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: is from the tax payers. The other twenty four twenty

1582
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: six percent is from the Bengals in the NFL. So

1583
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of a minimal investment right there. But you know,

1584
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: only in Cincinnati we celebrate we're getting screwed, but we're

1585
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 1: getting screwed less than we did in the nineteen nineties

1586
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: with that horrific stadium deal.

1587
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I've got the best stadium doing the league.

1588
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 3: They.

1589
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 11: I mean, up until about ten years ago, when the

1590
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 11: NFL implemented a floor to the salary cap, the Bengals

1591
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 11: were spending less than anybody else in the league. Like

1592
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 11: it's because of the revenue sharing. They're making all kinds

1593
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 11: of money and they're not even pumping it back into

1594
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 11: their own roster. It wasn't until the NFL changed the

1595
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 11: rule to force teams like the Bengals to actually spend

1596
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 11: the money on their players that they even did that.

1597
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no more.

1598
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 11: Evidence we need to see that this ownership group does

1599
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 11: not care about winning. They simply don't. They care about

1600
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 11: all the numbers you illustrated earlier with the team's worth

1601
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 11: so great, I mean, what a phenomenal investment you inherited.

1602
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 11: Take it and run. Let somebody else come in who

1603
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 11: cares about winning.

1604
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: Nick Lashey, do you think that the Bengals care about Cincinnati,

1605
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: care about the fans?

1606
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 11: I mean, what evidence do you see at how active

1607
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 11: are they in the community. I mean, what about all

1608
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 11: the great foundations they know? I don't think they care

1609
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 11: about Cincinnati at all. I mean, and if they did,

1610
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 11: it would be about more than just money, right, Yeah,

1611
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 11: I mean this team is a part of the fabric

1612
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 11: of the city and everyone in that city wants to

1613
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 11: see him win. Everyone but the people who need to

1614
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 11: want to see them win, and that's the owners.

1615
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1616
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this. I had a council member Mark

1617
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: Jeffries late last week on my show and we were

1618
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: talking about it. Kind of I didn't see this coming,

1619
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: but we're talking about one of his initiatives is youth

1620
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: football in the city. As you know, it's very expensive

1621
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: to rent fields at CPS because of crime. You have

1622
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 1: to have armed security and you run it from CPS.

1623
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: No youth football teams can afford that. You don't have

1624
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: that in the suburbs. You got that in Cincinnati. So

1625
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: he brought up the fact that you know the Reds

1626
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: obviously with the Reds Community Fund and the Urban Youth

1627
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: Academy does great.

1628
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: FC's doing that with you soccer.

1629
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: And then he brought up the Bengals and said, look,

1630
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys at the top of the league, nine

1631
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. They give back to the city

1632
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: of Dallas, to the community. The Packers do about a

1633
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: million and a half. My Bills do about a million.

1634
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 9: One.

1635
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: Seattle does six hundred and sixty two million. Cincinnati last

1636
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: year thirty thousand dollars, and the year before that, in

1637
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was zero. Now, granted, you can do

1638
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: charitable donations and they're very generous. When I understand privately,

1639
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: they don't want the they don't really want the attention.

1640
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: They just want to do it from from a philanthropic

1641
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: perspective as opposed to getting credit. But when you're pooning

1642
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: up the money where for a stadium, you've kind of

1643
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: got to make the effort. You kind of got to

1644
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: make it known that you're doing. How easy it would

1645
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: be for them to lean into youth football in Cincinnati,

1646
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: as the Reds did with baseball and FC would do

1647
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: with soccer.

1648
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: To your point, there's some ammunition here.

1649
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 11: I think it's I think it's an incredible point you

1650
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 11: just made, and it's one that a lot of people

1651
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 11: don't pay attention to. I mean, there's a lot of

1652
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 11: there's a lot of criticism of the Reds and and

1653
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 11: but baseball and football are two totally different. The animals,

1654
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 11: you know, the structure of those sports is totally different.

1655
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 11: The banks have absolutely zero excuse. They're making billions and

1656
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 11: as I said in my post a few weeks back,

1657
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 11: billions on the backs of hard working Sincnati's and you're

1658
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 11: going out there and spending their money on supporting this team.

1659
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 11: But we've we've made this family billions of dollars, and

1660
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 11: what have they given back to the community and the

1661
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 11: city that's doing that and supporting them. It's next to nothing.

1662
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 11: I mean, they don't care. I can't say it any

1663
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 11: more clearly, they simply don't care. They don't care about winning,

1664
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 11: and I don't think they care about the city of Cincinnati.

1665
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 11: I think the evidence is and everything you just said.

1666
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 11: I mean, they care about making the money, and they've

1667
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 11: done it time and time again, and we've supported it

1668
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 11: time and time again.

1669
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: Nick Lache, you're you're not the first person to say, hey,

1670
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: sell the damn team already, and I'm load to tell

1671
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: people to do with their own damn money, because at

1672
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: the end of the day of tickets, I think we

1673
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: are like two one point two percent off season ticket

1674
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: sales year over year, which is, you know, it doesn't

1675
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: sound like much, but in the NFL world, it's a lot,

1676
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of a dropping. Some of the teams

1677
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: are doing that as well. People are still showing up

1678
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: for the product. Isn't that the issue?

1679
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 3: That is the issue?

1680
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 11: I mean, I think the people are scared to say, hey,

1681
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 11: we're gonna we're gonna, you know, we're going to vote

1682
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 11: with our pocket but you know, so to speak, and

1683
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 11: we're going to boake out the team and we're not

1684
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 11: going to show up well, and then he's going to

1685
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 11: take the team away. He'll move the team to San

1686
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 11: Diego and we lose our team. That's the that's the

1687
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 11: fear based model that we're operating in year in and

1688
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 11: year out. And I think it's time that we kind

1689
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 11: of have to demand more. I mean, we have to

1690
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 11: have an expectation of winning, or an expectation of at

1691
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 11: least running up front. Our scouting department is the smallest

1692
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 11: in the league. I mean, we clearly showed we can't

1693
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 11: evaluate talent, and we can't evaluate college talent. We can't

1694
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 11: even evaluate our talent. I mean, look at wwarth a

1695
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 11: few years back. The unatty wanted to stay here and

1696
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 11: Mike Brown told him he thought his best years were

1697
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 11: behind him. You know, well, go ahead, sign somewhere else.

1698
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 11: He goes on times with the Rams, there's a perennial Hall.

1699
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: Pro and wins the super Bowl of the year.

1700
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 11: We can't even evaluate our own town.

1701
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 3: It's a joke.

1702
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 11: If we spend no money to that, I shouldn't say

1703
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,799
Speaker 11: we they spend no money to invest in the scouting

1704
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 11: department that can start to evaluate town or coaching staff.

1705
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 11: But we just accept losing just another year and today

1706
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 11: it's just it's nuts.

1707
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,560
Speaker 1: Well, the good news is Reds Baseball is not that

1708
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: far far away. You got your Hano Suarez back in

1709
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: the lineup. But the bullpen looks good, the rotation looks good.

1710
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: You got depth on the outfield, you got depth in

1711
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: the bench. Better days are ahead for the Reds and

1712
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Is that what you're saying?

1713
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 11: You know what I mean, it's there's all enohing but

1714
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 11: hope on the horizon, right. I mean, it's like when

1715
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 11: baseball season start. But gosh, I mean, at the end

1716
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 11: of the day, the great baseball town, it's also a

1717
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 11: great football town. And and this city deserves they deserve

1718
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 11: more again, man, I mean, Brown family has made so

1719
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 11: much money on the backs of Cincinnatian's great.

1720
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 3: Good for you.

1721
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Speaker 11: Let somebody else come in and buy the team. Who

1722
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 11: cares about winning? Because it's clear to me, and I

1723
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 11: should be clear to everybody that the Brown family simply

1724
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 11: does not. So you know, I mean, if you care

1725
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 11: about Cincinnati, prove it.

1726
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: You know, why should they listen to Nick? Why why

1727
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 2: should they listen to you?

1728
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm absolutely sure they're not listening to me, nor

1729
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 11: will they listen to me, you know, I mean, there's

1730
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 11: no one who can force themselves. Sure they can you know,

1731
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 11: continue to do what they do, and they probably will,

1732
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 11: but it's not right. Don't pretend you care about Cincinnati,

1733
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 11: you know, pretend you care about the city of Cincinnati

1734
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 11: and all those things, when this is how you operate

1735
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 11: a team that means so much to the people of Cincinnati.

1736
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: No, it's not just the It's not the Bengals. I mean,

1737
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:45,839
Speaker 2: the Reds were suffering.

1738
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: Who saw what happened in LA you watch those games

1739
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: live nick liche and getting swept.

1740
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: But hopefully this year they do better.

1741
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: But again, we don't know what the season is gonna

1742
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: wind up coming to, for what's going to happen at

1743
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: the end of the season. I guess I should say,

1744
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: do you see Bearcats aren't very goodavior is getting better,

1745
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: but not very good. All our hopes and dreams right

1746
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: now are centered on Oxford, to the Miami RedHawks and

1747
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: the undefeated team.

1748
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: Everyone's going nuts for Oxford.

1749
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: The only the only like like feel good moment, and

1750
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: FC is going to start at Vander may wind up

1751
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: leaving that he may get bought away by bigger teams,

1752
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: slawed by bigger fish.

1753
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: That's a problem.

1754
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 1: And so I look around and go damn Cincinnati sports

1755
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: sucks right now. It's it's tough to be optimistic. Maybe

1756
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: save for the Reds, We're always optimistic here. The biggest,

1757
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest sports news was the last go

1758
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: week is the fact that our boy John John had

1759
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: a half court shot at the Miami game.

1760
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 11: I asked him what what AI for he used to

1761
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 11: pull that one off? And he claimed to me that

1762
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 11: it was it was the actual footage. But hey, let

1763
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 11: me give a quick shout out to my my red Hawks.

1764
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 11: Before the summer of ninety five, this joy ninety degrees

1765
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 11: and start my musical career. But the year before that,

1766
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 11: I was at Miami and I was the athletic trainer

1767
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 11: for men's basketball, and we went to the tournament, won

1768
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,560
Speaker 11: the first round games. The great team. Guys who know

1769
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 11: Miami knows like Devin Dave name hate me and Derrek

1770
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 11: Cross and so it's great to see I know everyone

1771
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 11: knows the Wall, the Zerbeakers, but it's great to see

1772
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 11: Miami basketball back.

1773
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 3: On the on the maps.

1774
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 11: The shout to those guys are.

1775
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: Killing yeah, yeah, absolutely, And of course the legendary that

1776
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: would have been legendary Charlie Coles back.

1777
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 2: And work in the day.

1778
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 11: Well, Look at this, Look at this coaching roster. It's

1779
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 11: Hurtsdick is a huge, Sean Miller assistant, Charlie Coles assistant,

1780
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 11: and then Sad Motto was the restricted coach. Ye at

1781
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 11: one point all four of those guys were D one

1782
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 11: head coaches. Is unbelievable.

1783
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 1: And now you got Travis Steele leading them to glory.

1784
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with the uh with of course

1785
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: the tournament coming up. Uh, he's Nick Lache.

1786
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 10: Uh.

1787
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: And again you go to our our social fee, go

1788
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: to the seven hundred w W seven hundred WW or

1789
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: if you follow Nick on social.

1790
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1791
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: The video and the song are out there, and of

1792
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: course uh, I just played a clip of it. Will

1793
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: probably play a little bit more when you leave. Nick

1794
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Lache is demanding, he is demanding the Bengals be sold

1795
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: or else or else.

1796
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what the or else is.

1797
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 11: I'm encouraged. I'm encouraging. And again, you know, it's a

1798
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 11: it's a tall, tall order. Probably won't happen. But man,

1799
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 11: at some point I think that the fan base, we

1800
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 11: as a fan base, have to we have to demand

1801
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 11: a little more. It's just I mean, it's just abusive

1802
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 11: at this point, and they don't seem to care. So

1803
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 11: maybe maybe this little, this little ditty I.

1804
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: Wrote away from you no no more, no more sacrificing

1805
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: than Nicholas, our brother. I appreciate you checking in man.

1806
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 3: Thanks, yeah, thanks for having God.

1807
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1808
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell people what to do with their

1809
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: own damn money. But if your name has Cincinnati in

1810
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: the front or back of the jersey, uh, there's a debt, yo,

1811
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: I think to the community, and Nick is pissed off,

1812
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: and I love it.

1813
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 2: Sloany seven hundred w all time to.

1814
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 7: Talk about money, how to make it, how they keep it,

1815
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 7: and how to keep others off your stack. This is

1816
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 7: all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer Money on Tuesday. Tuesday's

1817
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 7: Money Day Here on the Scotsland Show.

1818
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial jumps in to talk

1819
01:25:58,560 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: about the White Death.

1820
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: It's good way you can work from home today. Huh yeah.

1821
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the office most of

1822
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 12: the day to day. All right, but I don't mind.

1823
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 12: I have a four x four I can get around

1824
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 12: you go, look at you go.

1825
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: I took my wife's SUV today and I'm sure if

1826
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: you're you know, women listening to this thing. I'd probably go, okay,

1827
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,799
Speaker 1: you're not wrong about that. I pulled another parking garage

1828
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: this morning, Andy, and I look in. I'm like, you know,

1829
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: I got a couple of erranster are on the way back.

1830
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Does she have where's a snowbrush? Let me get it ready,

1831
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: you know? And so I'm looking through I find it.

1832
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. I found an empty shoe box.

1833
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I found one shoe. I found two sandals. I found

1834
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: two golf balls. I found a measuring tape. I found

1835
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: some sort of looks like something she was going to

1836
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: return they received in the bag was dated September. I

1837
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: found a scratch off lottery tickets, an empty can of gum,

1838
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: three charging cords, a partridge in at paratree.

1839
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: Not one damn snowbrush to be found in the whole vehicle.

1840
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I can relate. My wife's car looks

1841
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 12: like a yard sale blew up in there soon. You know,

1842
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 12: that's kind of how it goes.

1843
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know, don't I don't get not

1844
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: being prepared.

1845
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: But she did have gas in the tank. That's first

1846
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I give her credit. There was almost a full tank

1847
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: of gas. So God bless her. Let's get into the

1848
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: money stuff this morning, Andy, and the big one. You know,

1849
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wonky. I don't know why I'm so

1850
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: caught up in this whole Project Vaulting that we're doing.

1851
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: And this maybe outside your scope of what you want

1852
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: to talk about this morning, but I don't care. I'll

1853
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: just throw I'll feel snowballs at you here. It has

1854
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: to do with the rare earth minerals, and so Trump

1855
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: is launching a twelve billion dollars strategic stockpile of critical

1856
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: minerals so we can ease our dependence on Chinese supplies

1857
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: and protect our domestic manufacturers and most important, of course,

1858
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: our national security, so we don't have to get rare

1859
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: earth minerals, which are needed for pretty much everything we

1860
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: run these days. That's technologically advanced China, as we know,

1861
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: the world's largest producer. They're about seventy percent of do seven,

1862
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: about seven percent of the extraction, ninety percent of processing.

1863
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting we are president that's finally

1864
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: willing to move forward and do something about this and balance.

1865
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's important. What Project vault is a

1866
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 12: public and private partnership. You know that it basically will

1867
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 12: buy and store critical minerals and rare earth minerals. You know,

1868
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 12: gallium and cobalt are a big part of that. They're

1869
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 12: essential for modern technology and defense equipment. And it will

1870
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 12: combine about one point sixty seven billion and private seed

1871
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 12: funding and another ten billion from US government's Export Import Bank.

1872
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 12: And so, you know, I think what's happening here is

1873
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 12: essentially Donald Trump recognizes that we are dependent on a

1874
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 12: lot of rare earth minerals from China and from a

1875
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 12: military perspective that funds a lot of our you know,

1876
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 12: defense contracting and builds a lot of the projects that

1877
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 12: we're working with. We need to be impendent independent. So

1878
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 12: I think this is important, all.

1879
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And that's how we need to file the

1880
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: two because all the noise out there with you, whether

1881
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 1: it's ice or now, we want to federalize the elections,

1882
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: and I think some of these important things and good

1883
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: things get get you know, ground out and overshadowed by

1884
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:55,759
Speaker 1: those those polarizing comments.

1885
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: And so you know, stuff is getting done.

1886
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: And Greg, granted, we have got another government shutdown on

1887
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: which maybe by the time we're talking to this guy

1888
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know right now. They may be opening things

1889
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: back up, who the hell knows. But this is the

1890
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, This is important stuff that we really

1891
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: need to pay attention to, and that's going to sound

1892
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: so good for the economy. Yeah, and you already have.

1893
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 12: A dozen companies that have kind of already joined the initiative.

1894
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 12: You have General Motors, Boeing, Corning, ge Google, So there's

1895
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 12: a lot of global commodities trading firms that are also

1896
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 12: on board with it, that are going to be handling

1897
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 12: it like Heart Treat Partners, Tracks these North America and others.

1898
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 12: And so everybody's taking this seriously. So I don't really

1899
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 12: see a whole lot of pushback on this because I

1900
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 12: think it's very clear why this is important.

1901
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pivot here to the big story on Wall

1902
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 2: Street today.

1903
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: President Trump, of course nominating the next FED chair, and

1904
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 1: he was talking about getting rid of the guy now,

1905
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, let's just wait, because you're

1906
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna not need to guy's coming in any way. And

1907
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: the reason the president's a clear he wants the FED

1908
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 1: to have policy support economic growth is because of things

1909
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: like price stability, and you know whether or not we

1910
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: balance that with the labor market expansion and.

1911
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 2: The like, and then his nominee is not that guy.

1912
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 2: Can you explain what's going on?

1913
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 12: Yeah, Kevin Worsh. He was a former banker and Federal

1914
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 12: Reserve governor. He previously served as an economic advisor to

1915
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 12: both President George W. Bush and President Trump. And it's

1916
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 12: interesting because you saw gold and silver and precious metals collapse,

1917
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 12: and a lot of that had to do with investors

1918
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 12: believing that Kevin Worsh is actually more of a hawk

1919
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 12: And what that means is is somebody on the Fed

1920
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 12: Board of Governors that believes in low inflation as opposed

1921
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 12: to job growth and the health of the labor market

1922
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 12: in general. They're more focused on getting inflation under control.

1923
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 12: And so originally what we thought was that Trump was

1924
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 12: going to nominate somebody like Kevin Hassett for the job

1925
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 12: who would be widely looked at as somebody that would

1926
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 12: be a pawn of Donald Trump's and continue to cut

1927
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 12: rates and do what Donald Trump wanted. And so when

1928
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 12: Kevin Worsh was announced, I think the markets were in

1929
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 12: a little bit of a shock because his history is

1930
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 12: more of a hawkish tone and keeping on inflation under control,

1931
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 12: and what that means for the gold market is is

1932
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 12: gold and silver and precious metals typically are investments where

1933
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 12: investors flee to as a hedge against inflation. So when

1934
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Speaker 12: he was nominated and it looks like he's going to

1935
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Speaker 12: attack inflation and that's going to be kind of his

1936
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 12: main focus, obviously, it triggered a sell off in gold

1937
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 12: and precious metals. And once that occurred, then the snowball

1938
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 12: effect came. You know, you have futures contracts that are

1939
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 12: starting to need to be covered, you have margin calls

1940
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 12: that are starting going on the price decline. As far

1941
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 12: as gold and precious metals are concerned, ets, everybody starts

1942
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 12: to sell. And that's why you saw the deep decline

1943
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 12: and precious metals over the last couple of weeks is

1944
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 12: largely you had to begin with the fact that Kevin

1945
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 12: Worrish was nominated. Now, I do think this is a

1946
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 12: good nominee because investors believe that he will remain independent

1947
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 12: of the pressures of Washington, d C. And so from

1948
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 12: a big picture point of view, I think this was

1949
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 12: a good call.

1950
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Speaker 1: Okay, And we saw the you know, we saw the

1951
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: market bounce back because of that day yesterday, Yeah.

1952
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Speaker 12: And it was great, you know, and a lot of

1953
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 12: that had to do with the fact that, you know,

1954
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 12: when we see everybody flee to precious metals gold, silver

1955
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 12: and whatnot, a lot of it has to do with uncertainty.

1956
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 12: And it looks to it appears that we have a

1957
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 12: trade gear deal in place with India, and that was

1958
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 12: some of other big news. We've been working with them

1959
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 12: for months to try to come up with something and

1960
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 12: essentially we had twenty five percent tariffs on their goods

1961
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 12: and another twenty five percent tariff on you know, their energy,

1962
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 12: and largely what we wanted them to do is stop

1963
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 12: selling oil to Russia and fueling you know, the war

1964
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 12: in Ukraine. And so when Modi decided to make a

1965
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 12: deal there, we were able to reduce tariffs back to

1966
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 12: eighteen percent, so that went from essentially fifty percent to

1967
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 12: eighteen percent, and they agreed to stop selling.

1968
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Speaker 2: Oil to Russia.

1969
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Speaker 12: And so anytime that we get, you know, some news

1970
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 12: that removes the uncertainty, not only from a tariff point

1971
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 12: of view, but from a geopolitical point of view, the

1972
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 12: market's generally like that. We have a more clear picture

1973
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 12: now the economy is in fairly good health and so

1974
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 12: naturally the market is going to respond favorably.

1975
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and every day it is something new, and I

1976
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: think for most people, and we keep track of this stuff,

1977
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of our jobs, Dandy Schaeffer. Most people don't

1978
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: have time for that. And you know, the noise and

1979
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: all the attention and you know, jumping up and down

1980
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: screaming tends to overshadow these big things. But it's a

1981
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: rare earth mental thing or what we're talking about here.

1982
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: The world's not ending. Yeah, well, that's part of the

1983
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: job that I really love.

1984
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 12: You know, My job is to reduce the stress of

1985
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 12: my clients, letting them know that we have a close

1986
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 12: eye on not only this type of news, but how

1987
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 12: it affects the markets and how it affects the economy

1988
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 12: so they can go about living their lives and enjoy

1989
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 12: retirement and gallivan all over the world. And you know,

1990
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 12: I enjoyed this type of uh, this type of work.

1991
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 12: I love having a focus on, you know, what the

1992
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 12: economy is doing and how these decisions are affecting the

1993
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 12: markets and and our livelihood in general. And so I

1994
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 12: try to make you know, try to sift through a

1995
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 12: lot of the minution and provide some clarity. And you know,

1996
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 12: that's that's that's part of what makes me proud to

1997
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Speaker 12: do my job.

1998
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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is capitalism isn't dead, is what's

1999
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Speaker 2: going on.

2000
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Speaker 1: I read a story today a guy said we're actually

2001
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: capitalist and died, we haven't noticed yet. And now we're

2002
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,879
Speaker 1: in like a tech oligarchy where the big tech companies

2003
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: will control everything, elections, parties, all that stuff, and we

2004
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:11,799
Speaker 1: will be holding the money's all in the cloud.

2005
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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you know, worsh even mentioned that he

2006
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 12: saw productivity gains, particularly in AI. Keeping inflation contained is

2007
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 12: you know, part of his goal obviously, but he will

2008
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 12: allow the father lower rates without sacrificing you know, the

2009
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 12: credibility of interest rates. And so the markets really kind

2010
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 12: of look at it and say, okay, well, we'ren't unmoved

2011
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 12: by all of this. You know, the pricing future cuts

2012
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 12: didn't really budge, and so you know, we're still looking

2013
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 12: at potentially one or two cuts this year. And I think,

2014
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 12: you know, that's been on track with what we've been

2015
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Speaker 12: looking at, you know, going back the last six months

2016
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Speaker 12: or so. One I think I think the probably the

2017
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Speaker 12: next one we're looking at is probably in June.

2018
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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, by the way, when is that peaceful transfer of

2020
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: power from Jerome Powell to warsh Well, he's.

2021
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 12: You know, he's schedule to take over on May fifteen,

2022
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 12: but you know there's some political pressure there. You know,

2023
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 12: you have a center named Tom Tillis. He's a member

2024
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 12: of the Senate Banking Committee, and he made a statement

2025
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 12: suggesting he would kind of support Walsh, but reiterated that

2026
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 12: you know, he's not doesn't want to advance any FED

2027
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 12: nominations until the DOJ's investigation Engage investigation involving Chair pal

2028
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 12: and the remodeling of the whole Federal Reserve building thing

2029
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 12: is resolved. So you know, there still needs to be

2030
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Speaker 12: some approval process there. But I think this one will

2031
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 12: go pretty smoothly because I think both sides of the aisle,

2032
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 12: you know, have a lot of confidence in Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Worsh Okay, So we'll wait till May fifteenth to see

2034
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: that transfer. And meanwhile, the head of the FED is

2035
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,520
Speaker 1: just holding steady.

2036
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Speaker 12: Yeah, holding steady. The target range for the FED funds

2037
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 12: rate remained at three and a half to three zero

2038
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 12: point seventy five percent. Two members did prefer an additional cut.

2039
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 12: Governor Christopher Waller and Stephan Miron dissented in favor of

2040
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 12: a quarter percent cut, and so there is some descent

2041
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 12: within the Fed. But you know, it looks like, you know,

2042
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 12: the FED is comfortable right now understanding that the labor

2043
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 12: market is still in decent shape and inflation is trying

2044
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 12: in the right direction. So they don't see, you know,

2045
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 12: they don't seem to be in any hurry to upset

2046
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 12: the apple card at this point. And you know, if

2047
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 12: if inflation continues to trend downward, I think you're the

2048
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 12: next cause likely this.

2049
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Summer, Okay, And I know because of this, I don't know,

2050
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: this blip that's a temporary government shut down or partial

2051
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: whatever the hell they're kind of on, it's over by now.

2052
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: Does anyone paying attention to markets don't care anymore what

2053
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: the hell they're doing, whether that work or don't work.

2054
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: But we were also not getting some more numbers out

2055
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: because of this, right well, And.

2056
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 12: That's the problem for me is that you know, you know,

2057
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 12: a lot of the numbers now are going to be

2058
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 12: stalled with you know, with the types of stuff that

2059
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 12: I'm looking for. You know, when you look at the

2060
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 12: economic calendar. You know, we're going to get job we

2061
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 12: expected to get job openings, you know, and the Joltry report,

2062
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 12: and those are going to be delayed. You know, a

2063
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 12: lot of the US unemployment rate on Friday, the hourly wages,

2064
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,759
Speaker 12: a lot of those things are going to get delayed.

2065
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 12: And you know, from a personal standpoint, I have a

2066
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 12: lot of clients that work in the government sector. I

2067
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 12: have a I have a cousin that works in the

2068
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 12: government sector. And you know, when when the government is

2069
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 12: shut down for forty five days, you know, most people

2070
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 12: do live paycheck to paycheck, and if you're not getting

2071
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 12: that income coming in, it can be very stressful, particularly

2072
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 12: when you don't know when the end is in sight.

2073
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 12: Now this particular time, it seems like cooler heads are

2074
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 12: going to prevail. I think that we're going to come

2075
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 12: to a resolution here in the next few days, but

2076
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 12: that remains to be seen.

2077
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, as I said last time, the

2078
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: government shut down, and this is ending like last time,

2079
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: because it was what forty five days, like you said,

2080
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, two three weeks ore theater at

2081
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: that point, and after thirty days, then it starts to

2082
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: get real and then by forty five days people start

2083
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: to feel the pain. So largely most of these things

2084
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 1: go away because it is just that it is theater

2085
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: and somebody will blinker, they'll they'll capitulate and come and well,

2086
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing this because we kick the can

2087
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: down the road. Last time, we shut the government down.

2088
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: So these guys can't agree on anything. That is also

2089
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: part of the problem with the markets. As you said,

2090
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,719
Speaker 1: don't seem to care at all about this. The labor

2091
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: market right now, it's starting to cool, you know, it's

2092
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 1: been cooling for a while, and these'll delay and the

2093
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: numbers are going to you know, not provide a clear

2094
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 1: picture there. But how far before we hit bottom on

2095
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: this do you think? Well, I don't think we're near

2096
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 1: the bottom.

2097
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,799
Speaker 12: You know, we're still expecting about sixty five thousand jobs

2098
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 12: and the unemployment rate to remain at four point four percent.

2099
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 12: You know, obviously that's higher than it has been over

2100
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 12: the past years, so but historically that's pretty good.

2101
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.

2102
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 12: So, you know, and I think the FED field is

2103
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 12: that way too. If the FED thought that the labor

2104
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 12: market was starting to waiver significantly, where it's becoming a

2105
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 12: problem they would certainly pivot and start to cut rates,

2106
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 12: but they don't. And so I think you have to

2107
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 12: listen to what they have to say, you know, because

2108
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 12: they have all the data, the data in front of them.

2109
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 12: And if the Fed's not worried about the labor market,

2110
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 12: I'm not going to be worried about the labor market either.

2111
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking labor, and labor's local. Obviously, this issue with

2112
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 1: Ice and Springfield, and it hasn't happened yet, but they're

2113
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,799
Speaker 1: preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Obviously,

2114
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm doing a deep dive on this, and if you

2115
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: missed it on the show this morning at ten thirty five,

2116
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: maybe give that a listen to. And that is that

2117
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: there's like ten to fifteen thousand in the Springfield or

2118
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: came there because of temporary protected status. They want them

2119
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: to come and take jobs immediately following COVID, but then learn.

2120
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, Springfield's pretty good.

2121
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 1: The cost of housing and living is pretty cheap, the

2122
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: money and the jobs are pretty good. It's a nice

2123
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 1: place to, you know, to put your head. People came

2124
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 1: from all of the country already here, like place like

2125
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Miami where was too expensive to live their lives. So

2126
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people moved here and open businesses up.

2127
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: The rate of employment I think in in that area

2128
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: is something like over ninety five percent, which is incredible.

2129
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: If they come in and you know, these people are escorted,

2130
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,560
Speaker 1: shown to the door because their TPS is expiring. What

2131
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,560
Speaker 1: happens to the economy in Springfield? I was hypothesizing about that.

2132
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, we had a tremendous collapse there. It's a

2133
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: small town that was dying and decaying. Immigrants came at

2134
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 1: the behast of the US government. They created jobs, were created,

2135
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: manufacturing located there because of the stable job. They hardworking,

2136
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: good people, and now that's going to go away. What

2137
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: happens to the economy in Ohio, let alone Springfield, I.

2138
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 2: Mean it could take a hit.

2139
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 12: You know, the dichonomy of the White House right now is,

2140
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 12: you know, they have a they have a challenge of

2141
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 12: following the law versus economic development, right, and so a

2142
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,919
Speaker 12: lot of what they are trying to do is posture

2143
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 12: and pander to their base to be to make sure

2144
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 12: that they're saying, hey, we said we were going to

2145
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 12: do these types of things, and we're going to do

2146
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 12: them now. Most immigrants I believe are here with good intentions.

2147
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 12: They want to work hard, they want to produce their take.

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Speaker 12: They take jobs that a lot of citizens of the

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Speaker 12: United States don't want, and so they pre they provide value.

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Speaker 12: And so you know when you go in and you

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Speaker 12: and you wholesale and and and pick everybody out and

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Speaker 12: send them back, Yeah, you're probably following the law, but

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Speaker 12: you're also going to have to deal with the impact

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Speaker 12: of the potential uh decline from an economic standpoint, because

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Speaker 12: those jobs do need to get need to get filled.

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Speaker 12: So it's a delicate dance and there's not a lot

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Speaker 12: of you know, right answers here. I think there's a

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Speaker 12: lot of gray area and how this should be approached,

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Speaker 12: But from an economic standpoint, it will certainly have an impact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like you're you know, you're playing with

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Speaker 1: fire in a sense. You know, the agenda was, Hey,

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Speaker 1: get the people who are causing problems, the criminals out

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Speaker 1: of here, gangs. It's okay, good, But this is like

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Speaker 1: they've already tps. It's not like the situation that Hey's improving.

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Speaker 1: Some say it's actually getting worse, with gangs running like

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of Porter prints the prime city. There and

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Speaker 1: so you hear this and go, well, why why won't

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Speaker 1: you just let leave the status alone. It's like you're

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Speaker 1: looking for trouble now when you don't need it. Why

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Speaker 1: why if you just let things stay the way they are,

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Speaker 1: it seems to be fine. No one's needing cats and dogs.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, the people that want them out

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Speaker 1: of there because because jobs aren't going to take the

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Speaker 1: jobs anyway, because it's it's hard work. It's manufacturing, it's agriculture,

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Speaker 1: it's construction, all those things.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and you know, that's kind of a moral dilemma there,

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Speaker 12: and it was a huge moral and from you know,

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Speaker 12: from a political standpoint, you know, I don't really you know,

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Speaker 12: care what the politicians say. You know, I have to

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Speaker 12: focus on within my job how it impacts the economy

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Speaker 12: and be able to pivot. And it makes it harder

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Speaker 12: for you know, business owners and you know also talents

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Speaker 12: that really throw on the economy and utilize the immigrants

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Speaker 12: that are there to produce. So, I mean, it's a

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Speaker 12: it's a challenging situation. Again, I don't think there's any

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Speaker 12: right right answers there, But you know, that's not the

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Speaker 12: line of business that I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it, but you know it's not

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Speaker 1: good for the I don't think it's good for the

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Speaker 1: economy of Springfield, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: For that you're throwing people out who are there to

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Speaker 2: work anyway.

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Speaker 1: Andy Shaffer, simply money is the show tonight at six

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Speaker 1: on fifty five car see he's over at all Worth

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Speaker 1: Financial jumps in every Tuesday, Andy Shaeffer, the Minister of

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Speaker 1: Money here on the Scott Sloan Show.

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Speaker 2: All the best, Buddy, be well, all right, Scott Tucky later.

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Speaker 1: Run and lay. We got Willie waiting in the wings.

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Speaker 1: Here next on this snowy Tuesday morning, seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: do other dy since now