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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty is.

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Speaker 2: Looking for I think we found Mo.

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Speaker 3: I believe he's at Oakley Greens for his typical Tuesday

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Speaker 3: show and Moe joining us. Now, Hi, Mo, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am well, and I just want to say one

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Speaker 2: thing about today's show. Okay, guaranteed human, guaranteed human. That's

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Speaker 2: been that's been the thing around the ESPN fifteen thirty late.

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Speaker 2: If you if you come to Oakley Greens, you'll you're

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Speaker 2: guaranteed to see a human me.

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Speaker 3: That's true. Andrew is Drew gonna be Is he going

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Speaker 3: to be parking cars or anything?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: We we uh you know it's it's Thanksgiving and so

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Speaker 2: uh Drew has a busy couple of days in front

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a delivering turkeys. Oh that's right, folks. Over

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Speaker 2: the next couple of years, a helicopter. I believe, Well,

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Speaker 2: he's just true, he's going door to door.

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Speaker 3: Okay, As a Bengals fan, what do you want to

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Speaker 3: hear from Joe Burrow and his press conference today?

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Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it, yes, say, I mean, I'm here to save

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Speaker 2: the day we're gonna win these next six I want

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Speaker 2: to hear, like, is there residual discomfort? How much? How

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Speaker 2: is he like like he was before the injury? Like

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Speaker 2: that's to me, that's the most important thing we'll see.

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Speaker 2: My guess is we're not going to hear him say

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Speaker 3: Are you not buying that he is one hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I would be unsurprised

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Speaker 2: I'm not being asked to examine his foot. Weird if

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Speaker 2: I But the original timeline for this was best case

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Speaker 2: But is is the fact that he is ready to

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Speaker 2: The timeline has been accelerated here. Does that mean he's

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Speaker 2: he may be pain free and he maybe one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, But there was a reason he didn't

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Speaker 2: So it's fair to wonder. And again, man like, I'm

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Speaker 2: to make the postseason, but all right, they're playing a

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Speaker 2: What level of risk is being incurred here that heither

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right there with you. What do you have

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Speaker 3: coming up on your show today? Guaranteed human, guaranteed human.

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Speaker 3: That's it, just human people as a human man you.

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Speaker 2: ESPN college football writer Bill Connelly is going to be

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Speaker 2: on the show. This guy. We're gonna talk about the

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Speaker 2: big weekend coming up in college football. Lots of different storylines,

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Speaker 2: but he is. He's written what I think is the

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Speaker 2: best sports book I've read this year, where he takes

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Speaker 2: examine what college football's future is gonna look like. He

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Speaker 2: still wants to be the Commissioner of college Football. This

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Speaker 2: has been something he's been lobbying for for eight years.

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Speaker 2: And so Bill's gonna come on the show with us

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Speaker 2: at three forty five. It is. You know, we don't

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Speaker 2: have our show on Thursday, but we're doing our Thursday stuff.

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Speaker 2: So you got Lee Sterling gonna help us make some

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Speaker 2: with fantasy football. This weekend. We're gonna chat with our guy,

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Speaker 2: Sean Saya these Stats and Schemes newsletter. We're gonna spend

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Speaker 2: as it relates to the Reds. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 2: On Thanksgiving evening.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned college football. Do you find yourself caring at

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Speaker 2: No? Yeah, I care almost as much about Jordan Hudson

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Speaker 2: so no, I don't. I'm not losing sleep wondering we're

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Speaker 3: What I find interesting about that is, you know, how

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Speaker 2: No, everybody. I think any job can be considered a

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Speaker 2: it's a fifty to fifty game because number one, UC's

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Speaker 2: They did lose a game to a really good Louisville team,

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Speaker 2: U See does not have history on its side. That

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Speaker 2: And if you made me pick who's going to win

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Speaker 3: you are responsible for?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no no.

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Speaker 2: No? Not really? No, okay, no, there's nothing I'm really

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Speaker 2: and every year I talk about to the people I

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Speaker 2: I miss my mom's stuffing. My mom's stuffing is the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I support everybody who is running in this

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Speaker 2: When I first met my wife, his name came up.

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Speaker 3: We have we have Joe Burrow at the post. Let's

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Speaker 6: Human When when you got hurt, were you told this

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Speaker 8: Goes, creative to cut that time down there.

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Speaker 9: I was last week for.

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Speaker 10: Unknown last week as you're pushing I think to play

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Speaker 4: Number one, it's a division game.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to be out there for playing on Thanksgivings,

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Speaker 4: Could could be.

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Speaker 8: But what what do you like about?

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Speaker 8: What's so meaningful about that day? Specifically?

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Speaker 8: Why have you always liked to want to play in

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Speaker 7: I think just like a lot of kids, you you

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Speaker 7: Back in the day it was Lions and somebody. You

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Speaker 4: You know, those are memories.

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Speaker 6: You've You've done some really cool things in your career is.

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Speaker 12: When did you make us your id regardless of what

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Speaker 4: As soon as it happened, I was.

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Speaker 7: I was pushing to do everything that we could to

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Speaker 4: I'm a football player.

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Speaker 7: I get paid a lot of money to go and

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Speaker 12: What are your thoughts when people say you're the franchise,

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Speaker 9: For next year and going forward beyond that.

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Speaker 4: It's football.

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Speaker 7: Guys are gonna get hurt, Guys are gonna get concussions.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna break bones, tear ligaments. It's a physical, intense game.

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Speaker 4: That's what I did.

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Speaker 2: I'll change anything about the way you play, like extending

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Speaker 13: really didn't lose any ground in the division race. So

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Speaker 13: at this point in time, you know, if you guys

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Speaker 13: are able to win out, probably a pretty good chance

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Speaker 13: that you could still get in.

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Speaker 8: Are you confident that you guys can run the table

443
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Speaker 8: down stretch?

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Speaker 7: I think we just got to take you one game

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Speaker 7: at a time. I think, yeah, like you said, we

446
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Speaker 7: have to win every game at this point. The only

447
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Speaker 7: way that you're going to do that is by attacking

448
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Speaker 7: each week like you have to be want to know

449
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Speaker 7: that week and then move one on the next.

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Speaker 9: How hard has it?

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Speaker 10: I know, the rehab and the injury and all of

452
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Speaker 10: those things, but watching the team go through what they've

453
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Speaker 10: gone through over the past ten games or nine games

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Speaker 10: about you, how hard does it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: It's always tough when when you're not out there and

457
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Speaker 7: you can't contribute to when you're losing on the field.

458
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Speaker 7: That's typically the hardest about this whole thing. So yeah,

459
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Speaker 7: it was tough. It was tough to watch from my position. Obviously,

460
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Speaker 7: I want to be out there with everybody, so that's

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Speaker 7: part of it.

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Speaker 6: How much have you picked Blacko's brain and tried to

463
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Speaker 6: learn from him?

464
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I think whenever you have a guy that's played that long,

466
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Speaker 7: you can, especially a guy that plays so much differently

467
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Speaker 7: than you do, you can you ask him what he

468
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Speaker 7: thought in this situation or how how would you react

469
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Speaker 7: to this or that? And he's played a long time

470
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Speaker 7: and played at a high level. So that's something that

471
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Speaker 7: I did take advantage of.

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Speaker 11: Going back to the earlier question about play style in general,

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Speaker 11: just not even injury related, but just having been through

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Speaker 11: it and once you get back to full strength fully,

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Speaker 11: is there something that you thought about maybe I'd like

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Speaker 11: to play.

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Speaker 8: A little bit differently. Have you assessed how you might

478
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Speaker 8: like to play as a quarterback?

479
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Speaker 14: Verboard?

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Speaker 8: Does that change at all? Given what happened with this injury?

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Speaker 7: You think about a lot of different things when number one,

482
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Speaker 7: you have time to think about them, and you know,

483
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Speaker 7: you watch a lot of games across the league and

484
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Speaker 7: you see who's playing well, who's not, what's working schematically?

485
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Speaker 4: What isn't You evaluate everything?

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Speaker 12: Joe, what's been your impression of the running game the

487
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Speaker 12: last month, month and a half and how instrumental.

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Speaker 9: Can that be and kind of helping you ease your

489
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Speaker 9: way back here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta keep building on that.

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Speaker 7: That's been that's been a positive of everything that's been

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Speaker 7: going on. I think we've been physical, I think schematically

493
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Speaker 7: we've done a lot of things to get an advantage

494
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Speaker 7: in that in that realm, and we've got to keep

495
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Speaker 7: building on it. Chases gonna run like he runs, He's

496
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Speaker 7: gonna make people miss and have explosive plays. He's got

497
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Speaker 7: to keep blocking the way that we are in the

498
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Speaker 7: run game. And I think that momentum will carry.

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Speaker 9: I assume it's fair to say that it is not

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Speaker 9: one hundred percent. Where would you put it right now?

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Speaker 4: It's tough to say.

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Speaker 7: I feel I feel confident that I can go out

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Speaker 7: and do everything that I need to do to win

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Speaker 7: a game.

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Speaker 10: Can you take us through and this is going way

506
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Speaker 10: back to the injury, but just take us through the

507
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Speaker 10: play where you're looking at Jamar and what was going

508
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Speaker 10: on through your mind during that play.

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Speaker 9: Obviously you end up getting hurt on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Uh.

511
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Speaker 7: You're trying to get the ball out and some unexpected

512
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Speaker 7: things happen that you can't really let it go, and

513
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Speaker 7: then pocket starts collapsing and you try to buy a

514
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Speaker 7: little time and then I just tried to get myself

515
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Speaker 7: up and my foot got calm and then turf so.

516
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Speaker 4: Unlucky.

517
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Speaker 10: Is there anything you could have done differently? I mean,

518
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Speaker 10: he's obviously jammed up, it's not free. You're trying to

519
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Speaker 10: hit him right away, like quarterback wise, is there anything

520
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Speaker 10: that you would have done differently in that moment?

521
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Speaker 7: Hindsight's twenty twenty. You can't you can't play a play

522
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Speaker 7: or game or a practice or anything worried about getting

523
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Speaker 7: hurt or doing anything like that.

524
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Speaker 4: So there's not anything I would have done differently in that.

525
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Speaker 12: Play safe to say, this is an extremely unique situation

526
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Speaker 12: where football It's question is trains moving at a hundred

527
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Speaker 12: miles an hour and you're jumping onto a moving train

528
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Speaker 12: at one hundred miles an hour. You thought about that

529
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Speaker 12: about what you're gonna have to do, not only busy,

530
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Speaker 12: get ready and be ready to play at that level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's certainly a different.

532
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Speaker 7: Mental space that you have to be in throughout the

533
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Speaker 7: week to prepare the way you need to go out

534
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Speaker 7: and play great. That's one of the reasons I wanted

535
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Speaker 7: to get two full weeks of practice before I went

536
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Speaker 7: out there and performed, and then you know, we we

537
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Speaker 7: were going to move up that timeline and then obviously

538
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Speaker 7: didn't end up playing last week, but you know, preparing

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Speaker 7: that whole week like I wasn't going to play, I

540
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Speaker 7: think putting yourself in that mental state to get back

541
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Speaker 7: into the swing of things, it's a it's an intense

542
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Speaker 7: place to be at times. So I'm glad I had

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Speaker 7: that week to feel that before Thursday.

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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, you basically

545
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Speaker 6: missed like six weeks of camp and came back and.

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Speaker 8: Played, looked about two weeks of practice.

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Speaker 9: Did that feel it all similar.

548
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Speaker 6: To this, just in terms of missing a decent chunk

549
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Speaker 6: of time and coming back from the limited practice rips.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe a little. I think, you know, I think

551
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Speaker 4: I've had more practice this year.

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Speaker 7: I went through a full training camp, I got preseason reps,

553
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Speaker 7: played a game, played another quarter and a half, and

554
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Speaker 7: then had two full weeks these last two weeks. So

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Speaker 7: I think I'm probably in more advantageous spot this time

556
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Speaker 7: than that time.

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Speaker 4: So I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 11: In twenty two, I think after the FL won the division, well,

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Speaker 11: I think somebody asked you about the window.

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Speaker 8: You said, the window is your whole career.

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Speaker 11: Has that changed in your mind after what's happened over

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Speaker 11: the last three years. How much have you thought about

563
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Speaker 11: that championship window given what's happened now since you've made

564
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Speaker 11: that statement to.

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Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, I think anytime.

566
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Speaker 7: Any of us step foot on the field, we are

567
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Speaker 7: confident that.

568
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Speaker 4: We can go and be whoever.

569
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Speaker 7: I'm I'll never step on the foot on the field

570
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Speaker 7: when I don't think.

571
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Speaker 4: We can win.

572
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 7: When I don't think that I can go out and

573
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Speaker 7: play great and put us in a position to win.

574
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Speaker 7: The second that happens, then I shouldn't be playing anymore.

575
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Speaker 7: So I'm always confident in myself and my teammates for sure.

576
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Speaker 11: Whether it's this year or next year, whenever, what needs

577
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Speaker 11: to happen from here on out to put you all

578
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Speaker 11: position to be contending in a position to be pushed

579
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Speaker 11: towards the playoffs with better odds.

580
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Speaker 8: Than we all have been this year and last year.

581
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Speaker 7: Players gotta go play great, We gotta go play you know,

582
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Speaker 7: we have good coaches. We have There's not there's not

583
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Speaker 7: a scheme in the NFL that is so revolutionary that

584
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 7: it's going to completely change the way a player plays

585
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Speaker 7: the game. Coaches work really hard and are smart, and

586
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Speaker 7: they work a lot of hours to put players in

587
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Speaker 7: position to make plays. And at the end of the day,

588
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Speaker 7: you have to go make plays and you have to

589
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Speaker 7: play great within that system.

590
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Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, players have to

591
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: take some accountability and go and play really good.

592
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Speaker 12: Yo, what went into the decision for you not to

593
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Speaker 12: play on Sunday?

594
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Speaker 7: A lot of things, A lot of things. At the

595
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Speaker 7: end of the day, it was Zach's decision. You know,

596
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Speaker 7: we went into that week. I had a good workout

597
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Speaker 7: early in the week. I was feeling good, and Wednesday, Thursday,

598
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Speaker 7: practice happened. I took a lot of reps. My body

599
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 7: was pretty sore, not necessarily in my toe. My toe

600
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 7: feels great, but just the rest of my body being

601
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Speaker 7: back out there for so long. And I was confident

602
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Speaker 7: that I could get that right in order to play

603
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Speaker 7: on Sunday. But Zach ended up thinking that Thursday was

604
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Speaker 7: it was better to wait the extra four days.

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Speaker 4: And I think that was a good decision.

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Speaker 10: So if you said green light, you would have been

607
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Speaker 10: prepared to do it correct.

608
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Speaker 4: I would have.

609
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Speaker 9: But I'm not trying to put you against I got you,

610
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Speaker 9: I gotch it.

611
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was at the end of the day, it

612
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Speaker 4: was head coaches call Joe and these final six games

613
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Speaker 4: back here.

614
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Speaker 15: Sorry, is there anything you hope to prove to yourself

615
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Speaker 15: well to the outside world in these final six games.

616
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Speaker 7: I actually want to go and play well. I want

617
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Speaker 7: to go and win games. That's what that's what we

618
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 7: try to do. Go make plays, get my guys the ball.

619
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Speaker 7: I just want to go and play well.

620
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Speaker 9: How much how much did you miss it.

621
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you are, you miss it, You miss a lot.

622
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Speaker 7: You know, It's it's tough to be in those situations.

623
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Speaker 7: M hm, but I've been in that spot before. It's uh,

624
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Speaker 7: the first time is typically the hardest, and then second

625
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 7: time a little less hard, but still hard, and then

626
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 7: third time you're like, come on, guys, like.

627
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Speaker 4: Maybe we could stop doing this to me.

628
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Speaker 5: But we got through it.

629
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Speaker 4: We're back and I'm feeling good about it.

630
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Speaker 10: Vision of apology yesterday seemed bothered by his actions.

631
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Speaker 9: Do you think you'll see a different intensity about him

632
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 9: this week or Thursday night?

633
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: No, He's he's who he is.

634
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 7: He's an intense, great player that he's gonna go and

635
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 7: do what he does on the field. It's going to

636
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 7: prepare the way that he does, no matter any insinuating circumstances.

637
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's gonna be much different.

638
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Speaker 8: The performances you and Lamar have had against each other.

639
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Speaker 16: It's just so rare to see intra division passers like

640
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 16: this year back.

641
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 8: Manny really never had that inner division.

642
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Speaker 16: Guys saying with Brady, do you acknowledge that might be

643
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Speaker 16: a big part of your story someday when it's all

644
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Speaker 16: said and done. These these chapters with Lamar and these

645
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 16: numbers that continue to pop up when you guys square off.

646
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

647
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Speaker 7: I think obviously everybody sees how great of a player

648
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 7: he is, and how hard he works and how he

649
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 7: improves every single year. Obviously, have a lot of respect

650
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 7: for him and love competing against him.

651
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Speaker 2: Thanks you, There you go. Joe Burrow chatting with the

652
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Speaker 2: assembled professional football media down there at the venue originally

653
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Speaker 2: known as Paul Brown Stadium, Bengals getting set for a

654
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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving night tilt against the Baltimore Ravens. Joe Burrow good

655
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Speaker 2: to go for Thursday evening, a game you'll hear live

656
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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Now we're at Oakley Green's. Things

657
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: are kind of fluid. We are awaiting a Jamar Chase

658
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Speaker 2: press conference. This is expected to be his first public

659
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Speaker 2: comments since the incident in Pittsburgh where he spit at

660
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Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey, an issue that he addressed on social media

661
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Speaker 2: yesterday issuing an apology. The original timeline here got kind

662
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Speaker 2: of screwed up. Joe was supposed to talk at two

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Speaker 2: forty five and then Jamar at three o'clock. So right

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Speaker 2: now is when Jamar is supposed to be talking or

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Speaker 2: I guess wrapping up when he talks. But Joe just

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Speaker 2: got done. We'll hear from Jamar in a few minutes. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: we're here at Oakley Greens, and you know how much

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Speaker 2: we love Oakley Greens, coming here every single Tuesday. In fact,

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Speaker 2: Jamar's I look right now is at the podium. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and hear from the Bengals wide receiver on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 12: State on Instagram with the apology? Would you like to

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Speaker 12: expand upon or explain it why he felt the need

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Speaker 12: to issue the apology.

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Speaker 17: Just getting it out, was given a moment to apologize

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Speaker 17: to everybody, just letting myself get out of control, out

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Speaker 17: of character, basically messing over my name, organization, NFL and

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Speaker 17: everybody else associated with me pretty much.

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Speaker 11: That though, did you know in the moment that happened,

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Speaker 11: like what kind of did you did you kind of

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Speaker 11: what kind of happened in the course of that play

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Speaker 11: until that led to you can maybe going over the

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Speaker 11: line up.

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Speaker 17: I ain't gonna get all into detailed all that, but

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Speaker 17: but I know, of course.

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Speaker 11: I think one question that people did have is that

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Speaker 11: you didn't mention Ramsey specifically by name and the apology.

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Speaker 11: Is there any reason for that if we reached out

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Speaker 11: to him kind of Has there been any you know,

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Speaker 11: conversations with jail or about what happened?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 17: No, we don't have no conversations and nothing like that.

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Speaker 17: I ain't got nowhere to get in contact with him.

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Speaker 18: So what are these?

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Speaker 9: What are these?

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Speaker 11: What have you thought about being away from facility over

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Speaker 11: these last seven days and kind of processing everything that's

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Speaker 11: happened this season you've had up to this point.

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Speaker 8: What have you thought about in the time of way you.

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Speaker 17: Have thinking about everything at that time? You know what

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Speaker 17: I'm saying. So, but it wasn't really one thing I'm

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Speaker 17: thinking about. I'm just gonna watch the game, just worry

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Speaker 17: about my you know what's I can't contract the end

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Speaker 17: of the day. That's what I'm worry about for real.

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Speaker 10: How hard was Sunday can't watching?

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Speaker 17: It wasn't hard watching the game at the end of

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Speaker 17: the day. It was just I guess I could finally

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Speaker 17: say I know how Cincinnati fans feel watching the game.

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Speaker 17: It was a little nerve racking for me. Usually when

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Speaker 17: I'm in the game it's not nerve racking, but watching

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Speaker 17: it. It was for me.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, do you worried this is something that I follow

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Speaker 12: you for a long time?

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Speaker 9: What might the suspension? What led to it?

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Speaker 17: No, I could care less for him.

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Speaker 9: Is there something you want to prove this week? Or

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Speaker 9: is it gonna take longer to prove that that's not

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Speaker 9: you that?

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Speaker 5: I mean?

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Speaker 9: Do you go out there with a different.

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Speaker 17: At the end of the day, I don't really have

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Speaker 17: nothing to prove of who I am. I mean, either

723
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Speaker 17: you like me or you don't. I could care less.

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Speaker 17: I'm still gonna go for that end of the day.

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Speaker 17: I got kids, I got people to take care of,

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Speaker 17: so I can really care less. So I'm going out

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Speaker 17: there and be the same player I am, you know

728
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Speaker 17: what I'm saying, and play football. That's at the end

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Speaker 17: of the day. Ain't nobody gonna stop me from who

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Speaker 17: I am.

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Speaker 9: How do you how do you kind of.

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Speaker 8: Recalibrates how to tow that line?

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Speaker 11: I mean, you've been really passionate, You've gotten it up

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Speaker 11: with guys before. I never went across it, but when

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Speaker 11: you did on Sunday, have you kind of thought about

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Speaker 11: the way to how to maybe toe that line though

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Speaker 11: you went through us.

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Speaker 17: How is that kind of a all, like I say,

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Speaker 17: is is limits when stuff happens. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 17: there's limits, and it's a mono limits people can control

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Speaker 17: and they gonna allow. So so, like I said about that.

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Speaker 12: Really was his support, not only exact that everybody in

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Speaker 12: the locker room to you and getting through what it's

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Speaker 12: obviously been a pretty tumultou.

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Speaker 17: You know, I really didn't have no conversation with nobody

746
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Speaker 17: because I couldn't. But when I got back, everybody's you know,

747
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Speaker 17: pretty much you know, cheer me on, just go out

748
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Speaker 17: on back and let's get back to work, you know.

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Speaker 17: So it was a lot of positivity going around. So

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Speaker 17: the only person that really had a chance to just

751
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Speaker 17: text me was like Tee, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 17: checking up.

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Speaker 4: On me, Jamar.

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Speaker 7: You and Joe we are having different comebacks and swords

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Speaker 7: on Thursday night.

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Speaker 4: How excited are you to play with him on Thursday?

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Speaker 17: It's good to have him back, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 17: I'm happy I got my friend back back out there.

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Speaker 5: Glad he back.

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Speaker 17: I know he's excited for it. What not a better

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Speaker 17: game for him to come back and show what he

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Speaker 17: could do?

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Speaker 10: Did you think he was gonna play last week, like

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Speaker 10: from Afar when you're launching where you're like, man, he's gonna.

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Speaker 9: Come back and I'm not gonna be there.

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Speaker 17: No, Nah, you didn't buy it. Nah, I didn't. I

767
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Speaker 17: ain't a lie. I don't. I don't think he I

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Speaker 17: know he wanted to play, but I don't think it

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Speaker 17: was time though. But it's still okay though, you know

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Speaker 17: what I'm saying, thing it's health over wealth?

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Speaker 4: Is it time now?

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Speaker 17: I hope it's tom Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 17: It's been a minute, and that gave him another week

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Speaker 17: to relax and get himself back up under him. So

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Speaker 17: it's leg should be feeling good. He should be feeling good,

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Speaker 17: and he should be ready.

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Speaker 11: If we had asked you last Thursday, if Joe should

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Speaker 11: have played Sunday, what would you have said.

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Speaker 17: I could say, can he play?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 17: Would he play? I don't know.

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Speaker 11: So you've been pretty vocal in the past with the cacker, like, listen,

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Speaker 11: he needs to I'd like him to take some time,

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Speaker 11: maybe percent and he's still played anyways, How do you

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Speaker 11: feel like he's grown in that regard in terms of

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Speaker 11: maybe no one when to push when not to push

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Speaker 11: and listening that when other people say, hey, you know,

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Speaker 11: it might be best it takes some extra time.

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Speaker 17: At the end of the day, it don't really matter

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Speaker 17: what everybody else had to say about what his situation is,

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Speaker 17: because it's a him thing that feels everything that's going

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Speaker 17: on within his body.

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Speaker 5: So you have the.

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Speaker 17: Doctors tell him it's amount of weeks that's going on

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Speaker 17: and if he could play after those weeks up at

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Speaker 17: the end of the day's still up to him on

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Speaker 17: if his his body feels good enough to be in

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Speaker 17: a physical game like that.

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Speaker 4: You know how important? How important is it?

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Speaker 5: Do you have?

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Speaker 2: The numb bold professional football media? As the Bengals get

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Speaker 2: set to take on the Baltimore Ravens, a team that

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase cooked last year and now the Bengals didn't

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Speaker 2: win either game, but Jamar had four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: seven yards and five touchdowns in the two games against

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Speaker 2: Baltimore last season Bengals and Ravens on Thursday, and by

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Speaker 2: the way, Lamar Jackson and Kyle Hamilton both returning to

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Speaker 2: Ravens practice in Baltimore today, certainly on top of Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow's return and Jamar Chase obviously we've been paying attention

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Speaker 2: to that as well. Pregame cover John Thanksgiving begins at

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Speaker 2: four o'clock. There's a lot to get to between now.

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Speaker 2: At six o'clock we are at Oakley Greens. We'll try

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Speaker 2: to make some money on college and pro football when

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Speaker 2: we come back on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 19: From the ESPN fifty. Joe Burrow is back and he

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Speaker 19: plays here on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official Hall of

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Speaker 2: All right, twenty nine away from four o'clock. This is

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Speaker 2: not working tomorrow, and so we're starting the afternoon with

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Speaker 2: have a lot of ground to cover today, but we

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Speaker 2: have a lot of people to talk to, including our

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Speaker 2: friend Lee Sterling, who's going to help us make some

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Speaker 2: From four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: so we're broadcasting from Oakley Greens. Now. Thursday is Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: There's games on Thursday. Lee Sterling, who just spends like

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Speaker 2: his entire existence watching games, gathering information and making money

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Speaker 24: Lee.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you. How are you.

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Speaker 25: I'm good except for my Twitter slash x got hacked

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Speaker 25: or should I say hijacked last week? So day number

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Speaker 25: five of the hijacking and.

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Speaker 2: The dam I got from you I should ignore.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah there was a d M yet, But to

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Speaker 25: vote for me on a Spotify, Apple podcast or something, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 25: so definitely don't click on that link.

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Speaker 5: I must have clicked on something.

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Speaker 25: I got a lecture for my two daughters, you know,

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Speaker 25: but I'm not entirely sure that I clicked on something.

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Speaker 25: Who knows, And maybe I did, maybe I didn't. I'm

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Speaker 25: not going to admit to it.

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Speaker 26: So it's just it's frustrating.

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Speaker 25: You know, one of those things you can't You can't

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Speaker 25: call a number and get a live person on the phone.

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Speaker 25: You got to write emails and you know, depending on

885
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Speaker 25: the person that hijacked it, you know, could take anywhere.

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Speaker 5: From two days to two months.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Well, what I would just do is try

888
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Speaker 2: to get a hold of Elon Musk. Let's look at

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Speaker 2: some of these games this weekend.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, all right, go ahead, Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: All right. My my Bearcats are in free fall, winding

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Speaker 2: down the regular season on the road at TCU. They're

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Speaker 2: getting points. Can the Bearcats avoid a fourth consecutive loss.

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Speaker 25: Here's what I would do, you got to do something different.

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Speaker 25: You got to change it up. I would go up,

896
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Speaker 25: try to get plays off eight ten seconds, and you

897
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Speaker 25: got to hit on some big plays.

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Speaker 5: And on defense.

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Speaker 25: You can't leave the defense out there that long.

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Speaker 5: Obviously special teams weren't good.

901
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Speaker 14: That was a problem the kicker all of a sudden.

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Speaker 5: I mean, how does that happen?

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Speaker 25: Two years of being almost perfect. So I think they're

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Speaker 25: right there. You know, it's all in their mind, and

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Speaker 25: I think they're more talented than TCU. I'm taking the

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Speaker 25: four and a half World team favorite Bearcats get off

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Speaker 25: the schneide here, thirty five, thirty one.

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Speaker 2: All right, very good. I like you talked about streaks

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Speaker 2: that people want to end. Ohio State and Michigan. The

910
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Speaker 2: Buckeyes are on the road, big favorites against the Wolverines.

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Speaker 2: Does Ryan Day get off the snide against Ohio State's

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Speaker 2: arch rival.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: Michigan's style is one that is fully capable of giving

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Speaker 25: Ohio State trouble. Ohio State last year two point six

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Speaker 25: yards per kerry allowed from their defense. This year the

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Speaker 25: same two point six, but I think they're better this year.

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Speaker 25: They give up one hundred and seventy two yards rushing.

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Speaker 25: I think they're going to force Michigan to throw the

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Speaker 25: football here. Michigan's best running back, Justice Haines, will not

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Speaker 25: play in the game. The other two guys that looks

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Speaker 25: like will play at their backup, but I don't think

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Speaker 25: they're in games league here. Michigan really hasn't faced many

924
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Speaker 25: great offenses, only one real good defense in Oklahoma, and

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Speaker 25: they lost that game twenty four to thirteen. And they

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Speaker 25: were even plus two win turnovers in that game, but

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Speaker 25: they got upstated.

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Speaker 5: For a weight to too eighty eight here.

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Speaker 25: I just think the three headed monster at receiver is

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Speaker 25: just gonna be too much for Michigan. Here, it's gonna

931
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Speaker 25: be tight for a while. Ohio State pulls away thirty

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Speaker 25: one sixteen.

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Speaker 2: every single week. Thanksgiving Night, the Bengals playing on Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is back. They're getting a touchdown against Baltimore.

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Speaker 25: Yep, good move last week not playing him.

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Speaker 25: Ravends just boring. I mean, he would think they'd win,

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Speaker 25: but winning it with defense here, but obviously Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 25: not one hundred percent. He's afraid. You can tell to

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Speaker 25: They're attacking, and they're just not attacking right now. Might

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Speaker 25: be a couple of weeks we'll see, you know how

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Speaker 25: much the Bengals attack here their starts, if they're deep

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Speaker 25: fans place you know, sixt last week, I think they'll

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Speaker 5: I think seven points is too much.

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Speaker 25: Give me the Bengals here for the shocker. All Cincinnati weekend,

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Speaker 2: Wow, how about that? At least Sterling Paramount sports dot

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Speaker 2: all right, your game of the week. You talk about

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Speaker 25: Yep, game for both is also dominated on last Thursday night.

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Speaker 5: We'll see if they.

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Speaker 26: Can bounce back.

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Speaker 25: I mean, there's some great games this week and lead Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Paramount sports dot com, our guy Lee Sterling. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: next week. Happy Thanksgiving, Thanks everything, man, Appreciate.

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Speaker 2: away from four o'clock. We're at Oakley Greens. One of

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Speaker 2: America's greatest college football writers is going to join us

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Speaker 2: to talk about some games this weekend in the future

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Speaker 2: from four o'clock. ESPN fifteen thirty. We'll spend some time

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Speaker 2: on the Bearcats, as you see gets set to go

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Speaker 2: to Fort Worth on Saturday to try to avoid a

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Speaker 2: fourth consecutive loss, and many of us are still salty

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Speaker 2: about the game, about the way the game on Saturday

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Speaker 2: night play it Out, and many looking ahead to this

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Speaker 2: weekend rivalry weekend in college football Ohio State at Michigan.

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Speaker 2: We have for years referenced the work of Bill Connolly,

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Speaker 2: who is a college football writer for ESPN. We always

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Speaker 2: use his SMP plus metrics sometimes in referencing picks and

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Speaker 2: betting and just you know, predictive metrics, that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I have followed Bill's work for years. He also

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Speaker 2: has written a book, and it's a really, really good read.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the best sports books I've read. Forward Progress,

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Speaker 2: The Definitive Guide to the Future of College Football. And

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Speaker 2: if you're into college football, if certainly you understand that

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Speaker 2: the sport is night and day from what it was heck,

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Speaker 2: just six seven years ago. And Bill does a really

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Speaker 2: good deep dive into things that may happen, things that

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Speaker 2: will happen, and in some cases, things that should happen

1021
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Speaker 2: moving forward, as they may shape college football into the

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Speaker 2: next decade. Bill is kind enough to give us a

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Speaker 2: few minutes this afternoon. It's good to have you, Bill,

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Speaker 2: How are you very good?

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Speaker 5: How about you?

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Speaker 2: I'm well. You took on a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: task here that I think is interesting writing about the

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Speaker 2: future of this sport. Let me ask you this because

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Speaker 2: I hear all the time, whether it's nil, the portal,

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Speaker 2: the expansion of the playoff conference, real alignment, private equity

1031
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Speaker 2: buying into college football conferences. I hear people say, well,

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Speaker 2: college football has been ruined. And my take as always, well,

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Speaker 2: Saturdays feel the same. Saturdays are awesome Saturday, and ann

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Speaker 2: Arbor is going to be incredible. Saturdays at Nippert's Stadium

1035
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Speaker 2: are awesome, maybe not as awesome as they were four

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Speaker 2: years ago. The stadiums are full, the TV ratings are great.

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Speaker 2: What do you think what comes to mind when someone

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Speaker 2: says college football has been ruined?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, that was a joke I had in one of

1040
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Speaker 28: the chapters of the book, just talking about.

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Speaker 26: Any stage we don't.

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Speaker 28: Like, we declare it is going to kill college football,

1043
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Speaker 28: and it never does, and college football continues to roll

1044
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Speaker 28: on and become at least as popular or more popular.

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Speaker 28: So I do think one of the one of the

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Speaker 28: things I really wanted to explore in there was was

1047
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Speaker 28: look at warning signs, like you know, things are you

1048
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Speaker 28: can't find any discernible hints that this is about to

1049
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Speaker 28: destroy the sport.

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Speaker 26: Well, what has destroyed other.

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Speaker 28: Sports made what caused Nascar to you know a little

1052
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Speaker 28: bit of a downfall, Why did baseball become less popular?

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Speaker 28: And just kind of look at some of the sports

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Speaker 28: boxing that were really, really really big and are still

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Speaker 28: plenty popular now but aren't as popular they don't have

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Speaker 28: as much money going in, so, you know, just try

1057
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Speaker 28: to look at the warning signs there and create a

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Speaker 28: checklist of sorts of things we should probably avoid.

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Speaker 2: One thing. And you've made the case for for a

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Speaker 2: while for college football to have a commissioner. You've lobbied

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Speaker 2: for it in Colins, you've written the past. This is

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Speaker 2: one of the things you touch on in the books.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not a commissioner, but is it realistic to expect

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Speaker 2: that there's an actual human being who's kind of put

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Speaker 2: in charge of the sport and tasked with making decisions

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Speaker 2: in college football's best interests, and not just one or

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Speaker 2: two conferences or one or two television networks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 28: I mean, we've seen plenty of sports that have a

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Speaker 28: commissioner in place, and that commissioner don't do a very

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Speaker 28: good job and things get a lot worse.

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Speaker 26: But it feels like the only thing worse than that

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Speaker 26: is just.

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Speaker 28: Not having one, because then by default, the senior power,

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Speaker 28: most powerful conference commissioner ends up being basically in charge

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Speaker 28: of the sport.

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Speaker 26: Except they're in charge, they're always going to.

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Speaker 28: Make decisions based on self interest and it just becomes

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Speaker 28: a race, you know, a money race like everything else does.

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Speaker 28: And and that cannot help everybody else. It's the Big

1081
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Speaker 28: ten and s here just trying to vacuum up whatever

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Speaker 28: they possibly can, uh and and and try to separate

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Speaker 28: themselves from the rest of the sport. That's not that's

1084
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Speaker 28: not good. That's not why I don't watch the sport

1085
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Speaker 28: for financial leverage. I watched it for as many teams

1086
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Speaker 28: as possible being capable of really big things, and it

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Speaker 28: feels like we're trying to gate things off a little

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Speaker 28: bit more than usual.

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Speaker 2: So as a University of Cincinnati fan, right, we all

1090
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Speaker 2: celebrate that they move into the Big twelve, and you

1091
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Speaker 2: know that on the field there's going to be some

1092
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Speaker 2: growing pains, and god knows there have been, but it

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Speaker 2: it it doesn't feel that different from when they were

1094
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Speaker 2: in the American Athletic Conference in terms of how the

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Speaker 2: conferences looked at from you know, folks who love the

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Speaker 2: Big ten or love schools in the Big ten or

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Speaker 2: the SEC, and I don't see that changing, is it.

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Speaker 26: You mean, the way Big ten fans look at the

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00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 26: Big twelve, just.

1100
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: The perception of the the perception of the league doesn't

1101
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: seem like it is what we thought it was going

1102
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: to be when you see at tainmed membership.

1103
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 28: Right, Yeah, No, I mean that was certainly there are

1104
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 28: certain there's a certain number of brands in the sport

1105
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 28: and the.

1106
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 26: Big Ten at SEC all the obviously have.

1107
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 28: Most of them that are are guaranteed to occupy TV

1108
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 28: ratings and everything and everybody else is kind of left

1109
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 28: to them for themselves. And the people who wants the

1110
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 28: Big ten or are based in the Big Ten, yeah,

1111
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 28: they're never going to. Even if you know, the Big

1112
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 28: twelve every single one of those programs became as good

1113
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 28: as they were supposed to be. A Big Ten wouldn't

1114
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 28: wouldn't pretend that wasn't the case, I guess, But I mean,

1115
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 28: all the Big twelve can do is try to put

1116
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 28: an awesome product on the field. Texas Tech, is it

1117
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 28: looks good enough that you know, not only are they

1118
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 28: likely to make the playoff here, they're going to be

1119
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 28: capable of winning a couple of games with that defensive

1120
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 28: front and the way they're just explosive potential. In general,

1121
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 28: the Big twelve makes the most of its opportunities. Then eventually,

1122
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 28: you know, you'll basically.

1123
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 26: Whatever they want to or don't want to admit, they're.

1124
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 28: Going to have to accept that the Big twelve can

1125
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 28: play a role in national college football.

1126
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 5: So that's all you can really do.

1127
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 26: And I do think there are certain a good number

1128
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 26: of programs that are.

1129
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 28: Looking pretty good in the short and long terms, and

1130
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 28: obviously pure money has a lot to do with that.

1131
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 28: But that's all the Big twelves can do is just

1132
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 28: put a really good product on the field, and I

1133
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 28: think it's kind of doing it.

1134
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 5: This year.

1135
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: Bill Connolly is with us his book Forward Progress, The

1136
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: Definitive Guide to the Future of College Football. Could college

1137
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: football's future ever include a scenario where we're all okay

1138
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: with the process that is used to determine which teams

1139
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: play for a championship?

1140
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely not.

1141
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 28: That's I'm very definitive on that one.

1142
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 26: We're always going to look for a reason to complain.

1143
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 5: But I do.

1144
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 28: Think, I mean, you know, anytime I get a chance

1145
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 28: to advocate for a return of a formula of sorts.

1146
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 26: I do you know that?

1147
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 28: That is something I like to push for because, as

1148
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 28: I always say, people didn't hate the BCF formula.

1149
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 26: They hated that the BCS could only choose two teams

1150
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 26: and that bar was just too high.

1151
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 28: And so the fact that most of the oxygen in

1152
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 28: recent weeks has been taken up by arguing about Notre

1153
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 28: Dame in Miami. You know, Miami who has lost two

1154
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 28: games in a bad acc and that's the most outrage.

1155
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 5: We can get.

1156
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 28: I figure that's a massive improvement right there. So it

1157
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 28: is proof that we're always going to figure out something

1158
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 28: to yell about. And I'm guilty of that too, but

1159
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 28: now we're going to it doesn't there's no magic format

1160
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 28: or even with a formula.

1161
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: We still get.

1162
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: Mad when when you have been on the losing side

1163
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: of a rivalry game like Ohio State has been with Michigan.

1164
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: Right you, on one hand, you could look at your

1165
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: S and P plus projection, which you have at ESPN

1166
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: dot com that has Ohio State winning by more than

1167
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: two touchdowns. Yet there's the emotional part of it right

1168
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: where it's Ryan Day against Michigan, it's the Wolverines, it's

1169
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: recent history. So what should Buckeyes fans do with that

1170
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: fourteen and a half point projection you have for that

1171
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: game on Saturday.

1172
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 28: Well, I just finished my preview for the week it'll

1173
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 28: go up tomorrow, and I kind of as I was

1174
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 28: writing it, I cracked myself up because I realized we

1175
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 28: have a new thing with both Ohio State and Michigan

1176
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 28: and A and m Texas. There's now the role of

1177
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 28: unbeaten spoiler, where like OHI said, obviously wants to end

1178
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 28: the streak and beat up Michigan because it's just always

1179
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 28: you always have to beat Michigan.

1180
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 26: But now they can actually play.

1181
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 28: They're so good that they can play spoiler on Michigan

1182
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 28: and make sure that there's no chance of them making

1183
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 28: the playoff too.

1184
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 26: So that's kind of funny.

1185
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 28: Usually it's the other way around, it's the lesser team

1186
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 28: trying to run the good team's title hopes.

1187
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 26: Now it's a reverse.

1188
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 28: And so in a way, if Ohio State wins this year,

1189
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 28: which I bet they do but I'm not bet much,

1190
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 28: it really would kind of it'd be like a double win.

1191
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 28: You'd finally get the monkey off your back and also

1192
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 28: you'd relegate, you know, Michigan to the Capitol One Bowl

1193
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 28: or whatever.

1194
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed your work for years, thoroughly enjoyed the book.

1195
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: Awesome to have you on the show with us.

1196
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 5: Bill, Thank you, absolutely take care.

1197
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: That's Bill Connolly, ESPN. His weekly projections and previews available

1198
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: at espn dot com, and his book, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

1199
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: Read it late this summer. Forward Progress, The Definitive Guide

1200
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: to the Future of College Football. That was a busy hour.

1201
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: We had a lot there. I think we are clear

1202
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: till four thirty in terms of guests. I have given

1203
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: you absolutely nothing to call me about. But our lines

1204
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: aren't open for the next thirty minutes or so. Five went, three, seven, four, nine,

1205
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We have a Joe Burrow playing on Thursday.

1206
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: I respect the hell out of Joe Burrow. Like to me,

1207
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: there's there's room for multiple truths, there's room for multiple beliefs.

1208
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: And I'll share with you a bunch of beliefs, and

1209
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: some of them might be in conflict with each other.

1210
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: We'll do that as it relates to Joe. Will spend

1211
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more time on the Bearcats coming up

1212
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: here in just a bit. Amy Wagner in the next

1213
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: hour on sports and Money, and Dan Klaskins will help

1214
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: you with fantasy football this weekend as well. We are

1215
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens. We're here till six o'clock tonight, hanging

1216
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: out on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1217
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 19: This year on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

1218
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 19: the Cincinnati Bengals.

1219
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: All right, yes, Joe Burrow. In fact, this is ESPA

1220
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening. We are broadcasting today

1221
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: from Oakley Greens, where it is Thanksgiving Eve Eve. I

1222
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: think when you get to like noon, the Tuesday of Thanksgiving,

1223
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: that's when there's just a total drop in productivity and

1224
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: people caring, people doing anything remotely productive. And so let's

1225
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: be honest. If you're working right now, why you're going

1226
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: through the motions? Okay, you're you're sitting there, you're looking

1227
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: at just leave, come to Oakley Greens, hang out, get

1228
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: a nice cold beer. The kitchen is open. The staff

1229
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: here at Oakley Greens is always accommodating. We're giving away

1230
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: the fan Cave thanks to us SIMS Furniture. We've had

1231
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: some folks signed up for that. Today. We're drawing that

1232
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: in two weeks. But you gotta sign. You gotta scan

1233
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: the QR code. You can go to SIMS Furniture and

1234
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: scan the QR code, or you can come here, scan

1235
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: the QR code and say hi and get a beer.

1236
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: A gentleman brought me a cigar. You're welcome to do

1237
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: that if you'd like. That's not required, but it is

1238
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: mostly appreciated. Not mostly, it is entirely appreciated. Most appreciated

1239
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: is the word I was going to use there. You

1240
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: might argue. At four o'clock on Tuesday, I'm checked out.

1241
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: Let's see Amy Wagner in thirty minutes. We got folks waiting,

1242
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: and so rather than me bloviating about God knows what,

1243
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,479
Speaker 2: let's talk to some other folks, beginning with Tim. Tim,

1244
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Tim, good afternoon. How are you.

1245
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 5: I'm good, mo.

1246
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 26: How are you?

1247
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 29: First time?

1248
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: I'm never aller.

1249
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 29: I'm hearing you aloud and clear from Massachusetts.

1250
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's nice to have you. Thank you for chiming in.

1251
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

1252
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 29: Well, I wanted to just check in and see if

1253
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 29: there's anything that's not on the table for you for

1254
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 29: next off season. For the bangals, And I know the

1255
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 29: team's got some cap space coming up, but they have

1256
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 29: not drafted well. And I don't know how many picks

1257
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 29: we have next year either, So like, is there anything

1258
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 29: that's not on the table because we haven't drafted well.

1259
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 29: But if we don't have many ticks, if we can't

1260
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 29: really do much, we can't really see it's a success

1261
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 29: rate go up. We don't have a lot of picks

1262
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 29: to use. So with something like getting some first rounders

1263
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 29: for players that we just resigned, is that off the

1264
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 29: table for you? Or is it anything.

1265
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: Goes are you're talking about t Higgins?

1266
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 29: Obviously it maybe even number one?

1267
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 5: Probably not.

1268
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 29: I think that's too much. But if there aren't ticks

1269
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,479
Speaker 29: coming in, then it's gonna seems like it's just gonna

1270
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 29: be more of the same. Especially if Burrow is playing now,

1271
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 29: we're probably just gonna get a mid round pick like

1272
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 29: last year. It might just be more of the same.

1273
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 29: So I'll I'll try to hang up and listen.

1274
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: Well, Uh, no need to do that. Trading T Higgins

1275
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: would be on the table for me, because it was

1276
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: on the table for me moving on from him a

1277
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: year ago. Like, we're never gonna be able to do this, obviously,

1278
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: And I love T Higgins and I mean there's a

1279
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: million reasons why he is a beloved member of this

1280
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 2: football team and always will be. But a year ago,

1281
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: at this time, they were moving on. There was at

1282
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: this time, a year ago, nobody was talking about signing

1283
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: T Higgins long term. It was a fat accompli, so

1284
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: to speak, right, they were moving on from him. I

1285
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 2: think it would be fascinating, not so much to see

1286
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: what the team this year would do without T Higgins,

1287
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: So that obviously would be interesting, but how would have

1288
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: the offseason played out? What would they have done differently?

1289
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: What would the composition of the roster look like? And

1290
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: so moving on from Tea, I'm not giving him away,

1291
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: But you're right, man, Like I need more raffle tickets

1292
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: in the hopper, right, So the best way to insulate

1293
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: yourself against your bad rond is to accumulate more draft choices, right,

1294
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: And I don't know that there's any other way to

1295
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: do that. There's nobody else you're going to trade that's

1296
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: gonna help you do that. And so it's on the

1297
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: table for me.

1298
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 29: We get a worthy pickup either, you know what I mean? Like, right,

1299
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 29: there's not aside from him, you're maybe a centerpiece and

1300
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 29: you want to do that. So then like, you know,

1301
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 29: what else is there? It doesn't seem like.

1302
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 5: There's a lot.

1303
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, nobody would be upset of T. Higgins's

1304
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: on the team next year because he's an excellent player.

1305
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: But when you are, you've had Tea on the team

1306
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: for each of the last three years, and barring a

1307
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: miracle this year, they're not going to make the playoffs,

1308
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: and any of them you have to examine and be

1309
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: open to any way that can make your team better

1310
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: and I mean like put them back in the championship

1311
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: window next year. And so that's on the table for

1312
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Speaker 2: me in terms of acquiring draft capital, also in terms

1313
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: of being able to spend that money elsewhere, because if

1314
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: you're gonna say, well, we're having a hard time in

1315
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: the draft building our defense, well then you can't say

1316
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,959
Speaker 2: that next year. The only way we're going to build

1317
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: our defense is via the draft. And so I would

1318
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: imagine the market would be robust. You would have to

1319
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 2: really overwhelm me, like I would have to get something

1320
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: significant back in return that could that would be you know,

1321
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: in essence equal to what T Higgins brings to the

1322
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 2: table both on and off the field. But if I'm

1323
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: going through a third consecutive year where I didn't make

1324
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs and I have the rebuild on one side

1325
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: of the ball that the Bengals have in front of them,

1326
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: and also, by the way, they've got a lot of

1327
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: their offensive line, it feels like sort of solved. Right.

1328
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: I think six seven weeks ago we were going, God,

1329
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: you got to rebuild the defense and you got to

1330
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: rebuild the offensive line. I'm not so sure there, And

1331
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: so am I okay with perhaps having to replace a

1332
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: wide receiver If replacing him means it's a lot easier

1333
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: to rebuild my defense, I'm I'm willing to do that absolutely.

1334
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 29: I just think if you're if you are a championship

1335
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 29: team trying to make championship aspiration, sometimes you got to

1336
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 29: make those big decisions that maybe in the short term

1337
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 29: people might say, what the heck's going on? But maybe

1338
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 29: you can get some capital coming back and you use

1339
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 29: that cap space widely and that in turn, you know,

1340
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 29: gets them back in a playoff run. Then I'm fine

1341
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 29: with that, But they they aren't a team that seemed

1342
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 29: to be making those decisions right now. And that's what's frustrating.

1343
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 5: Me, you know what I mean?

1344
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you what you've got to do? Now? You

1345
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: talk about like the thing they haven't been able to do.

1346
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: They haven't been able to draft, but they've because they

1347
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: haven't been able to draft, they've been really bad at

1348
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: replacing beloved players and important players. By the way, would

1349
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: T Higgins be here if Jermaine Burton last season did

1350
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: anything to make you feel like he could replace him?

1351
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: Because I remember when they drafted him, right, right, So

1352
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: the prevailing logic was, you.

1353
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 29: Know, I am with you guys on that he'sn't playing,

1354
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 29: and I don't know why he's from. I don't know

1355
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 29: what more.

1356
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: You want, Well, he's not playing because he doesn't do

1357
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: anything right. I mean he doesn't. His study habits aren't good,

1358
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: his punctuality has been an issue. His just overall professionalism

1359
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: and maturity has been called into question. And look, maybe

1360
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: he would go somewhere else and would get it. But

1361
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: but the point is this, they've done a really poor

1362
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: job of replacing players that they have been willing to

1363
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: say goodbye to. We are still talking about them replacing

1364
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates. Heck, you could argue we're still talking about

1365
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: them replacing Andrew Whitworth, and he left nearly nine years ago.

1366
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why maybe it made sense to

1367
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: keep Trey Hendrickson was they've done a poor job of

1368
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: replacing him. Miles Murphy the last two games aside hasn't

1369
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: worked out, and so if you let T Higgins go

1370
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: via trade to accumulate draft capital and clear some space,

1371
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: you've got to do something you haven't been very good at,

1372
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 2: on top of just drafting, replacing good players that you

1373
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: let walk, because that's been a continual issue, and it

1374
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: includes T Higgins. Because I believe that I can be

1375
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: dead wrong about this, we'll never know for sure. Had

1376
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton as a rookie done the things you needed

1377
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: him to do, I think they would have been a

1378
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: little bit more willing to tell Joe Burrow, Look, we

1379
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: love T two, but we've got his replacement, and so

1380
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna let him go. Unfortunately, Jermaine Burton hasn't worked out,

1381
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: didn't work out last year, hasn't worked out this year,

1382
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: and so his replacement isn't in house. Trey Hendrickson's replacement

1383
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: hasn't really shown that he's in house, and you can

1384
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: keep saying that Jesse Bates replacement hasn't shown that he's

1385
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: in house either, and so yeah, I'm with you. Anything

1386
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 2: should be on the table. I'm open to it. But

1387
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: not only do you have to draft better than you have,

1388
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: You've got to do something that you haven't been able

1389
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: to do very well recently, and that's replaced a very

1390
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: good player if you let him walk.

1391
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 29: I agree, I just don't know if I trust Duke

1392
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 29: Coben to do it. That's the ten side of the

1393
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 29: coin for me.

1394
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Tim, thank you very much for the

1395
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: phone call, and I hope we hear from you again.

1396
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: That's that's the issue, right Like this is this has

1397
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: bottomed out this year, but last year was also a

1398
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: dramatic failure because last year, this year you could at

1399
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: least say what they haven't had Burrow. Last year they

1400
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: had him for seventeen games and he was awesome. Joe

1401
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: Burrow last season was he put together the best single

1402
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: season performance of any quarterback in the history of this franchise.

1403
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 2: That includes Joe in twenty twenty one, It includes him

1404
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, It includes Boomer's MVP year. It

1405
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: includes Kenny Anderson's MVP. Joe was that good, didn't even

1406
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: make the playoffs in an era where's the postseason and

1407
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: has never been more watered down. That's a Duke Tobin failure.

1408
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: The issues the team has had defensively this year, that's

1409
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: a Duke Tobin failure. And so we can discuss and

1410
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 2: will discuss all the different draft possibilities, all the different

1411
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: outcomes with players on the roster right now at the

1412
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: end of the day, the person in charge of making

1413
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: those decisions and the person in charge of making this

1414
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: roster not just better, but building a championship roster. While

1415
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is still here, is a guy who's failures

1416
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: over the last couple of seasons have been profound. It's

1417
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin. Like we talk about firing people and you know,

1418
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: Duke's gotta go, or Zach's gotta go, or Al Golden's

1419
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 2: gotta go. And I think often, and I've been guilty

1420
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 2: of this, I think often that is spoken from like

1421
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 2: a place of vengeance, like somebody's gonna pay. It's not

1422
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: vengeance for me, it's trust. I don't know that I

1423
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: trust Zach Taylor anymore. I know that I don't trust

1424
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin. Right now, Duke Tobin's success is in twenty

1425
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 2: twenty one, in twenty twenty two, he deserves credit for them.

1426
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that he is going to be able

1427
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: to build a defense and build a team the way

1428
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 2: he built those teams in twenty one and twenty two,

1429
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: because he's not gonna be able to just blindly throw

1430
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: money at dudes and overpay him to come. He's gonna

1431
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: have to draft well, he's gonna have to sign free

1432
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: agents that might fit within certain budgetary parameters. He's he's

1433
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: got to figure out a way to take a team

1434
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: that has been wretched on defense over the last couple

1435
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: of years and make it something that's not wretched. I

1436
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 2: don't know that he has been able to earn my

1437
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: trust to be able to do so, and I think

1438
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: I speak for a lot of Bengals fans who feel

1439
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: exactly the same way. But the t Higgins discussion is

1440
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: fascinating because he is a beloved player and should be

1441
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 2: and always will be. And if Te's on the team

1442
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: next season, no one's going to be upset. But if

1443
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 2: you understand and acknowledge the massive undertaking on Duke Tobin's hands,

1444
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: or on the Bengals hands this offseason that I think

1445
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: you have to be open to any any possible trade,

1446
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: any possible scenario this offseason. That doesn't mean you give

1447
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: him away, That doesn't mean you give any player away.

1448
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you're you're looking to trade a guy

1449
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 2: you know fifty cents on the dollar. But unfortunately, I

1450
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: think that sort of thing has to be on the table,

1451
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: specifically from the Bengals perspective, because moving on from T

1452
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: Higgins has been on the table before, and by the way,

1453
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: when they didn't move on from him, the team still stuck.

1454
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: Eighteen after four o'clock five point three seven four nine,

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1459
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Speaker 2: Our friend Dan Klaskins on Fantasy football. At four forty five.

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Speaker 2: We are here at Oakley Greens. We're hanging out till

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Speaker 2: six o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 19: Beltera Casino and Belterra Park on ESPN fifteen thirty, the

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Speaker 2: Guaranteed Human twenty five at four o'clock. This is ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens, which is where

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Speaker 2: we are every single Tuesday, and it is it's Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: Eve Eve. You're at Oakley Greens. By the way. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of plays that has a better like holiday

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Speaker 2: set up here, and what I say, like, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff, but it's not like in your face,

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Speaker 2: like if you're the kind of person like I don't

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Speaker 2: like Christmas, first of all, what's wrong with you? But

1475
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 2: I know it's like it's it's cool to kind of

1476
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: be detachment. I don't like Christmas. Well, not your problem.

1477
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: But if you're that person, you could still come to

1478
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: Oakley Greens and acknowledge the holiday setup. But it's not

1479
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: so in your face that you're going to be disgusted.

1480
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 2: Come to Oakley Greens because it's awesome. Just do that.

1481
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Speaker 2: We got a few minutes here. Let's chat with Don. Don.

1482
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Speaker 2: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Don, how are you.

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Speaker 14: I'm doing well.

1484
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 18: Thanks for taking my car.

1485
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 30: I've tried to get in for a couple of weeks

1486
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 30: and today fighting red lights and rain drop, so I'll

1487
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 30: try to be quick. I'm thinking Thanksgiving coming up, and

1488
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 30: this is a good metaphor what this. Two people can

1489
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 30: go into program buy the same ingredients. One knows how

1490
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 30: to cook a turkey dinner. One perhaps could burn everything,

1491
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 30: ruin everything, dry out everything, but they both got the

1492
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 30: same ingredients. One knows what they're doing, one does it.

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 30: Do you honestly believe the Bengals organization in their philosophy

1494
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 30: from the top down, doesn't matter who they draft, what

1495
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 30: they dropped when they draft. I'm not sure they know

1496
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 30: what they're doing because they don't come from a history

1497
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 30: of success. You can do what you think is right,

1498
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 30: but if you don't know, you're constantly missing. Forrest greg

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01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 30: drafted Anthony Munos. He worked him out personally, and he

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01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 30: knew talent. Most people would have passed on Anthony Munyos

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 30: because of his injury of seasons and his waters junior

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01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 30: or senior.

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 5: He barely plays.

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 30: Keimmy Anderson come from Augustine to college. Paul Brown knew football.

1505
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 30: Mike Brown knows Paul Brown, that doesn't mean he knows

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 30: what he's doing, nor does that philosophy down the Chaine know,

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 30: we'll get blind lucky every once in a while and

1508
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 30: pick up a Joe Burrow because he's an obvious choice

1509
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 30: and a Jamar Chase, and that's kind of blind luck.

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 30: But I am not confident that the Bengals organization knows

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 30: what they're doing. And I think it would be worth

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01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 30: whatever it would cost if they could hire the right person,

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 30: to hire a knowledgeable GM because how much have they

1514
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 30: wasted millions of dollars with missed draft choices? And then

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01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 30: I'll get off because I know you've got things coming up.

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01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 5: You're reading the news today.

1517
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 30: Jermaine Pratt is playing like a star. You're a king.

1518
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 30: Babs gathers as making tackles and not missing tackles. Something's missing.

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 30: I mean, you can get five hundred draft choices, but

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Speaker 30: who what's The coaches said a long time ago that

1521
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 30: guy can beat you with his players, and you know what,

1522
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 30: that guy can.

1523
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 18: Beat you with your players.

1524
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 30: We don't have that. We don't have that.

1525
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this a lot. The NFL has

1526
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: never been less a developmental league. Than it is right now.

1527
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: But you just mentioned some guys that the Bengals drafted

1528
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: decades ago. One guy who's in the Hall of Fame

1529
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: and another guy who should be in the Hall of Fame.

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01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 30: He wouldn't get drafted by this organization.

1531
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: Well you to me, you could even look more recently

1532
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 2: than that. I mean, look at the reality is they

1533
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 2: had really good rosters in twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen.

1534
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: But I think the way the league is structured right now,

1535
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: there's never been more of a premium on getting rookies

1536
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 2: to contribute immediately. It wasn't that long ago where the

1537
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: Bengals took a guy named Marcus Hunt in the second

1538
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: round and Marcus Hunt like just walked into the room.

1539
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 2: You'd go, okay, look at that dude, d end But

1540
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: he didn't have a ton of football experience, didn't have

1541
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 2: a ton of experience coming off the edge. He was

1542
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: a track star. He blocked a lot of kicks, didn't

1543
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 2: put a lot on tape. But it was you know,

1544
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 2: we're gonna develop him. He's a project. They did that

1545
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,879
Speaker 2: with a second rounder, and that was in twenty thirteen.

1546
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: That wasn't that long ago. You can't do that now.

1547
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: The NFL has never been less about development than it

1548
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: is right now, because I think the way the league works,

1549
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: you pay your stars and you need cheap talent, cheap

1550
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,839
Speaker 2: cheap labor to come in and help out almost immediately,

1551
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: which means for the most part, you don't have time

1552
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: to develop, especially guys in round one. So the Shamar

1553
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 2: Stewart pick right, you can tell me till you're blue

1554
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 2: in the face about the measurables and how he did

1555
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: in a three cone drill, and you know what he

1556
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 2: looks like when you measure his body parts. Can the

1557
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 2: guy play football? Right? That has never mattered more, And

1558
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: so I think philosophically there needs to be a little

1559
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: bit of a shift screw development. That's not to say

1560
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: that players can't get better. That's not to say that

1561
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 2: you can't uncover a hidden gem and get him to

1562
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: a point that he can help you. But like this

1563
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 2: year's draft class, they needed to hit on a lot

1564
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: of guys immediately. They needed those dudes to step in

1565
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: and help out right now. Because I think that's how

1566
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: the league works. I think they need to shift how

1567
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: they evaluate college players. It's never been the less about

1568
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: development in this League.

1569
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 30: Tamar Stewart is the most excessive butterball turkey in the store,

1570
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 30: put in the hands of a novice cook who will

1571
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 30: burn it.

1572
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 14: Now, I know many people.

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 5: You can go and.

1574
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 30: Buy a Kroger turkey on sale and they know what

1575
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 30: they're doing, and they know how to season it, they

1576
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 30: know how to base it, they know how to cook it,

1577
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 30: and people, wow, that was great. It's more than just

1578
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 30: going in the ticking the fancy thing if you don't

1579
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 30: know what you're doing, and I honestly don't believe they

1580
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 30: know what they're doing, and that's where the philosophy change comes.

1581
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 5: I don't care about.

1582
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 30: White uniforms, white helmets. Let's all dressed in black. Let's

1583
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 30: wipe out, blackout, pink out. Culture Wise, they're good to

1584
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 30: the community. Zach Taylor is a great guy, no doubt

1585
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 30: about that. But I want wins. I don't care about

1586
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 30: blackouts and white out than what uniform combo you're wearing.

1587
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 5: I want wins.

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that stuff, don thank you for the phone call.

1589
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: That stuff is all fun. I love that stuff. It's

1590
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: less fun when you're not winning. Like look at the

1591
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings. Terren's beloved Minnesota Vikings so they draft JJ

1592
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,560
Speaker 2: McCarthy and JJ McCarthy. I watched them in Michigan. I

1593
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: never thought man NFL guy like just NFL starting quarterback,

1594
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 2: but it was, well, we can develop them, and now

1595
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: already they're a year and a half in and it's like,

1596
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: might need to hit the EJEC button on that. This

1597
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: league has never been more about getting instant dividends from

1598
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 2: guys you draft early. This is not a developmental league anymore,

1599
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 2: hasn't been in a while yet. It feels like the

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01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 2: Bengals often have drafted with development in mind first ahead

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: of instant production. I think that has to change. Good call, Don,

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,320
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Speaker 2: Now, let's get right to it. Our friend Amy Wagner

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Speaker 2: and money with us. Here's what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: There's a few different stories to talk about. The biggest

1624
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: college football story right now is Lane Kiffin's at Ole Miss.

1625
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: His team is really good, but he's being wooed by

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01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: LSU and Florida and so he's got a big decision

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01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,759
Speaker 2: to make. He's at the epicenter of this big, big

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01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: decision these three schools that all want them. Is there

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01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: like a real world application to this well?

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Speaker 31: And I think it's like also, I always think about

1631
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 31: when these stories take place in real time while you've

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01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 31: got players who are playing their hearts out right to

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01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,520
Speaker 31: make it into the playoffs.

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Speaker 20: The distraction that this can be for those players, and

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01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 20: the kind of like, well, is my coach can be

1636
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 20: here next year? You know, this is who recruited me?

1637
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 5: Is he going to stay?

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01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 20: Is he going to go? And you're this is a

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01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 20: big week everyone's watching football.

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Speaker 31: I mean I think about like people think like turkey

1641
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 31: and football when it comes to Thanksgiving week.

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Speaker 20: You know, Lane Kiffin has some options here.

1643
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 31: So first and foremost, you know, you and I have

1644
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 31: talked recently about, you know, what does the job market

1645
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 31: look like.

1646
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 20: We've got a lot of you know, college.

1647
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 31: Football coach openings currently, more so than we've ever seen

1648
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 31: the past. So Lane has several options, right, he can

1649
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 31: stay it all. Miss also offers coming in from LSU

1650
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 31: in Florida. By the way, like poor Lane, you know,

1651
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 31: if you if you're going to feel bad for him,

1652
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 31: you know, he's only the tenth highest paid college football

1653
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 31: coach right now. You know, makes a little under ten

1654
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 31: million dollars annually. The way this is all shaking out,

1655
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 31: it looks like it could be bumped up to thirteen

1656
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 31: fourteen million dollars. You know, he keeps saying, listen, in

1657
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 31: state rivalry, you've got the egg ball going on this week.

1658
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 31: We're only focusing on this, but we all know what's

1659
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 31: happening in the background. Rady's figuring out what his next

1660
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 31: move is. And I do feel bad for these players,

1661
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 31: you know, the distraction that that is. But I also

1662
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 31: think the interesting thing too about how all of this

1663
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 31: has evolved so.

1664
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 20: Much when you've got nil in the picture.

1665
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 31: Is you're not only promising a coach how much money

1666
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 31: they're going to be paid.

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01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 20: You're promising how much money they're going to.

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01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 31: Get for a roster, to build a roster, you know,

1669
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 31: and so that's shaping up to be about twenty five

1670
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 31: million dollars in nil roster involvement, you know, some of

1671
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 31: the offers on the table for him. So you know,

1672
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 31: Lane's going to be fine.

1673
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 20: We'll see how this all plays out this week.

1674
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 31: But I want to bring up something else because you know,

1675
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 31: as college football and listen, it's always been a business,

1676
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 31: but certainly the way that business is run, it's evolved.

1677
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 20: So much over the past few years.

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01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 31: On the flip side of programs like Ole Miss, you know,

1679
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 31: like these big SEC schools. You've got programs who are

1680
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 31: D one schools that are trying to make it work

1681
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 31: because listen, they know that when you start to win games,

1682
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 31: you're catching lightning in a bottle. You're starting to get

1683
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 31: national attention. They're talking about you on college game day.

1684
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 31: Donors donor base gets re engaged, right, people are excited,

1685
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 31: people are coming to the games, opening their pockets, right,

1686
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 31: all of those things. So then you've got schools like

1687
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 31: UMass and Amherst who has had a football program for

1688
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 31: the past fourteen years for that very reason. Right, at

1689
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 31: some point, they keep thinking they're going to start winning games.

1690
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 20: Problem is they're not. In fact, I don't know if

1691
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 20: you saw this, but I had to laugh about this

1692
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:37,839
Speaker 20: Earlier this season.

1693
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 31: They actually got a bunch of attention, bad attention for

1694
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 31: spending money on fireworks. They let off fireworks after they

1695
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 31: hit a field goal to close the deficits to their opponents.

1696
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 20: Then that deficit was forty two points.

1697
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 31: I mean, talk about throwing good money after bad at

1698
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 31: this point, like, unless you're unless you're lighting sparklers in

1699
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 31: the end zone, I'm not sure that investment is worth

1700
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 31: it exactly. So you've got this program that's trying to say, Okay,

1701
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 31: what makes sense going forward? Right, We're spending millions of

1702
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 31: dollars every year on a football program. We're trying to

1703
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 31: compete at this level, and we're not able to do it.

1704
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 31: The problem is, do you want to be the president

1705
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 31: of the school, the athletic director, the board of trustees

1706
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 31: that crushes that football dream for a D one school

1707
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 31: in this case, apparently not, because what the school has

1708
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,480
Speaker 31: said is they are doubling down on their football program

1709
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 31: and giving it a hard recess and putting more money

1710
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 31: into hiring quality coaches and bringing players on board.

1711
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Speaker 20: We'll see, we'll see that how that works.

1712
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: Good luck, good luck?

1713
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 20: Exactly, Yeah, exactly.

1714
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting that the cost of maintaining

1715
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 2: a college football program, even at the Group of five level,

1716
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 2: it is. And look, I don't have a lot of

1717
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: sympathy for anybody involved, right, but but yeah, I understand,

1718
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 2: like we're trying to keep up, we're trying to stay competitive,

1719
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 2: we're paying the players coaching salaries or skyrocketing. The cost

1720
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: of putting games on has escalated. Like there are going

1721
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: to be schools that say, you know what, we're not

1722
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: sure we're getting out of this what we're putting into it.

1723
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, you know.

1724
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 31: I mean something else I want to I want to

1725
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 31: bring up just how all of this is evolving. Is

1726
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 31: you have this Player's Era Festival, right, so switching to

1727
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 31: college basketball quickly, that's that's playing this week. And you

1728
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 31: know there these are games that are all taking place

1729
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 31: out in Vegas. But interestingly, these these people are saying, listen,

1730
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 31: we'd play this game it was in a cornfield in

1731
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 31: the middle of nowhere because they're paying us a million

1732
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 31: dollars in donor fatigue, right, Yeah, I mean when you

1733
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 31: are paying Lane Kiffin like salaries and trying to also,

1734
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 31: you know, fill these rosters with all these NL high

1735
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 31: paid athletes, it's some point there is fatigue.

1736
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 20: You cannot keep going to the same well.

1737
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 31: And so these programs are looking for new ways to

1738
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 31: fund these programs. And so you're going to have outside

1739
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 31: investors interestingly.

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 32: Being able to call shots like we're going to bring

1741
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,440
Speaker 32: all this top tier talent together in Vegas in November

1742
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 32: when these teams don't normally meet, right, to create something.

1743
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 20: That's never been created before.

1744
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 31: Because we're paying each program that participates a million dollars

1745
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 31: and Let's face it, they need that money.

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01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 2: Right now in the worst way. Amy Wagner from Dean

1747
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 2: Dorton is with us. Sorry one more you have a

1748
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: new favorite former NFL player. It's Christian Ponder, who wasn't

1749
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 2: great on the field, but you like him anyway.

1750
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 31: Why Well, he's probably not been many people's favorite player ever,

1751
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 31: but he has caught my attention for what he's doing now.

1752
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 31: He probably was overpaid under delivered when he was in

1753
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 31: the NFL. You know, I think it was like a

1754
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 31: pretty high draft pick and he ended up kind of

1755
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 31: being like a you know, third tier QB, bouncing around

1756
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 31: for most of his career, which I think lasted five

1757
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:08,919
Speaker 31: or six years in the NFL.

1758
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 20: So he realized that's probably not going.

1759
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 31: To support him for the rest of his life, got

1760
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 31: out and got his MBA. But what he's focusing on

1761
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 31: now is something you and I've talked about a lot

1762
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 31: during this.

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01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 20: Which is, you know, the average NFL.

1764
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 31: Player's career is about three three and a half years.

1765
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 31: You get paid an insane amount of money during that time,

1766
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 31: but for a lot of these players, that's not enough

1767
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 31: to last you for the rest of your life, especially

1768
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 31: if you weren't smart about it while you were.

1769
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 20: Paying, while you were playing.

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Speaker 31: So he has created this kind of subscription membership only

1771
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 31: group called the Post and you have to have played

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01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 31: either at the NC DOUBLEA or a professional level for

1773
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 31: at least five years, because he really wants people to

1774
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 31: kind of come from the same background.

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01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 20: But he's having conversations with these former players about how

1776
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 20: to transition into the business world.

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01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 31: How do use skills that you had to use, you know,

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01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 31: on the field, on the courts, you know, leadership, that

1779
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,919
Speaker 31: kind of thing. And there's you know, weekend long summits,

1780
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 31: there's networking events, there's you know, all kinds of you know,

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01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 31: how do you how do you make the transition? And

1782
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 31: I think not enough of these conversations are happening for

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01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 31: any kind of professional athletes.

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01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 20: And then you know, we hear the terrible stories that

1785
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 20: get all the.

1786
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 31: Headlines about them filing bankruptcy or whatever that looks like

1787
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 31: after they leave.

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01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's admirable and there should be more of it,

1789
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 2: and there should be more athletes who who take advantage.

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01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,440
Speaker 2: Christian Ponder will have a legacy well beyond his relatively

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01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 2: mediocre NFL playing career. Yeah, exactly. Amy Wagner from a

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Speaker 2: Dean Dorton anything but mediocre. Have an awesome Thanksgiving and

1793
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 2: we'll talk next week.

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01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 20: You too.

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01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: There you go, Amy Wagner. Learn more about the Dean

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Speaker 2: Doorton difference at deandortonwealth dot com. Dan Klaskin's on fantasy football. Next,

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Speaker 2: It's not Thursday. It's Tuesday. But Dan ain't gonna take

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Speaker 2: my phone call on Thursday. He sawk's fantasy football with

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Speaker 2: us every week. Our guy, Dan Klaskins Fantastics Insider Football

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Speaker 2: on Sirius XM Fantasy and a guy who's always there

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Speaker 2: for your fantasy football related questions on x at Dan Klaskins, Dan,

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Speaker 2: how are we doing?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Doing great? No?

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Speaker 4: Getting fired up?

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Speaker 15: We got we got four football games where we can

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01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 15: get to the weekend. Man, So happy Thanksgiving to you, enduring,

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Speaker 15: my friend.

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01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 2: We've got four football games between Thursday and Friday. And

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Speaker 2: here's what I want to give thanks for. No buys

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Speaker 2: can't beat it.

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Speaker 5: Amen. Amen.

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Speaker 15: We still got four more next week, but none this week.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, all right. Speaking of reasons to

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Speaker 2: give thanks, give me some guys who if you own

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01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 2: one of them, you should be giving thanks for.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we're gonna look at some players delivering in recent weeks.

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01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 15: These are the main dishes at the table, right, We're

1831
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 15: focused only on guys in these first board games. And

1832
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 15: Caleb Williams has to be the quarterback up there QB

1833
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,440
Speaker 15: three over last five weeks seven to one TV interceptions

1834
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 15: in the ratio eclipsing twenty three plus fantasy points three times.

1835
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 15: His rushing poor helps. He's picked up twenty one or

1836
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 15: more yards on the ground each of these contests at

1837
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 15: running back. No running back has compiled more fantasy points

1838
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 15: than Shamier Gibbs over the last five weeks. He's only

1839
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 15: played games in that span and still over five week

1840
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 15: Vario leaves in fantasy points.

1841
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Speaker 5: I tell you something.

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01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 15: He scored six times in mass five hundred and ten

1843
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 15: yards of total offense twenty two catches in Sweek eight.

1844
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 15: George Pickens of the Cowboys. He's making a case for

1845
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 15: a big payday this offseason. He's been a Fantasy steel

1846
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 15: this year receiver. Over his last four games, he's ever's

1847
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 15: fourteen point two fantasy points. Only Jackson Smith and Jack

1848
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 15: and Drake London have had more. Pikets have scored and

1849
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 15: hit one hundred and forty plus yards in back to

1850
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 15: back weeks. He's been target least nine times in four

1851
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 15: straight eight of his eleven contests this season. He's a

1852
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 15: league wide receiver. Won and Travis Kelty I know the

1853
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 15: future Hall of Famer may not be the fantasy study

1854
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 15: once was, but top five numbers over the last month,

1855
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 15: including two of his best games in the season during

1856
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 15: that span, and he's everson eight targets, just under six

1857
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 15: catches and seventy five yards per outing. That is helping

1858
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 15: a lot of his managers are out.

1859
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk about some injuries, starting with the

1860
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 2: obvious right here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Burrow and Higgins, the key bangle injuries. See Joe's

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01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 15: gonna play. Bengal would be without T Higgins and concussion

1863
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 15: proto call. I'm expecting big things for Jamar Chase. I mean,

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01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 15: use Burrow obviously if you have him, but it comes

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01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 15: with risk. The other injuries that we're watching for Thanksgiving,

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01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 15: specifically Ross she Rice dealing with the hamstring issue. I'm

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01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 15: not that worried death, and we'll keep our eyes on it.

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01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 15: I am also expecting Josh Shacobs, so the Packers running back,

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01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 15: to be back on Thanksgiving. He sat out last week.

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Speaker 15: I think it was purposeful in the short week, a

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01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 15: huge game there in the NFC North between Green Bay

1872
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 15: and Detroit. Moving on towards the weekend, we'll follow these situations.

1873
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 15: Askton Genty suffered a minor or some sort of ankle

1874
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 15: issue at the end of last week's game. Didn't come

1875
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 15: back in We'll have to watch him practice this week.

1876
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 15: I'm going to see if the Bucks get back Bucky

1877
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 15: Irving from the shoulder issue. Baker Mayfield dealing with his

1878
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 15: own shoulder injury as well. He could miss this week

1879
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 15: of Marion Hampton, the Chargers today activated his twenty one

1880
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,959
Speaker 15: day window. It doesn't really bode well for Week thirteen,

1881
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 15: but perhaps for the fantasy.

1882
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 5: Playoffs for the Chargers.

1883
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 15: Running Trey bentions in a similar situation dealing with the

1884
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 15: knee injury in Arizona and Ala Kamara. You can add

1885
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 15: him to the injury list of running backs suffer to

1886
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 15: mcl strain last week. He's gonna miss a couple weeks.

1887
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 15: Probably there for the Saint Ti receiver Drake London week

1888
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 15: to week with his knee injury. I do expect it

1889
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 15: and hope Marvin Harrison Junior gets back this week from

1890
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 15: the appendicitis a couple of weeks ago. Brian Thomas Junior

1891
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 15: missed again last week.

1892
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 5: It's been a lost season.

1893
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 15: He's dealing with an ankle ISSU who can't be trusted

1894
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 15: in the lineup even if he returned to a couple

1895
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 15: of quarterbacks to watch. Jackson Dark I'm expecting him the

1896
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 15: return after two weeks of concussion protocol. And Aaron Rodgers

1897
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 15: didn't play last week, but his trending towards playing here

1898
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 15: this week and week their team with that non throwing

1899
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 15: hand injury he's dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Dan Claskins is with this typically we do studs, duds,

1901
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 2: and sleepers. Let's make this feast or famine. Since we're

1902
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 2: focusing only on the games on Thanksgiving it on Black Friday.

1903
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: Give me some guys that you might be worth sitting

1904
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 2: down and having a feast with, and maybe some players

1905
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: who could I don't know, leave fantasy owners hungary.

1906
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 15: Yeah, the fees, the pile on the second mode. These

1907
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 15: are the guys that are giving out the fool plates

1908
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 15: and Jalen Hurts love him here on Friday, Black Friday game.

1909
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 15: Improved as the Bears are the season, they're still not

1910
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 15: great for our fantasy quarterbacks. There's only three teams have

1911
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 15: allowed more fantasy points to the position in recent matchups.

1912
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 15: So I do like him. I like Derrick Henry as

1913
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 15: well versus the Bengals. Fifteen rbs have hit double digit

1914
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 15: PPR points versus the Bengals through eleven games. That's pretty

1915
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 15: amazing in itself, including five with twenty three fantasy points.

1916
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 15: Henry's delivered back to back twenty points fantasy games there

1917
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 15: last two weeks. I expect him to make it three

1918
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 15: straight on Thursday night. And Jamar Chase definitely if I'm

1919
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 15: in a Turkey Day draft, my number one overall. Picky's

1920
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,440
Speaker 15: coming a week off the sidelines with suspension.

1921
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 5: He's getting borrowed back.

1922
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 15: But I mean, we all know the numbers and the

1923
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 15: last two games there's Baltimore twenty one balls born in

1924
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 15: their fifty seventy yards, five scores with Higgins out, I

1925
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 15: look at the tari barring to continue on the fan

1926
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 15: in side. Jordan Love is right. Six starts first alliance.

1927
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 15: The Packers quarterback has never hit two hundred and thirty

1928
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 15: five yard. He's failed to throw for multiple scores before

1929
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 15: those six. I expect him to fail to do both

1930
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 15: again this week. DeAndre Swift didn't have a big game

1931
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 15: last week. I'm an unguy He's stealing into that carry.

1932
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 15: Philly's not having a great year, but only five running

1933
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 15: backs at rushed for a touchdown against them, not a

1934
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 15: single ones at the century mark DeAndre Swift outside my

1935
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 15: top thirty this week. And Moe Jamison Williams. He's been

1936
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 15: held without a catch now two of his last five games,

1937
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 15: including last week. He's facing a Packers d over the

1938
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 15: last three contests that he's yet to break eighty yards

1939
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 15: four score against temper your expectation, he's once again a

1940
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 15: boom er Bus wide receiver three flex play.

1941
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 2: On Thursday, Dan Klaskins is with US Fantastics Insider Football

1942
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 2: on Sirius Xam Fantasy. We are all on Thanksgiving week,

1943
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 2: so grateful for the freedoms that we all enjoy, which

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Speaker 2: means we're grateful for the veterans that allow us to

1945
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Speaker 2: enjoy those freedoms. And you've got a great way to

1946
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Speaker 2: support them and win prizes.

1947
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt about them.

1948
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Speaker 15: As you said, take a minute this Thanksgiving to thank

1949
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Speaker 15: the veterans to protect our freedom every day. And you

1950
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Speaker 15: can support them by playing fantasy football with a purpose

1951
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Speaker 15: and the Do Good Fantasy Salary Cap Challenge, play, win prizes,

1952
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Speaker 15: give back. You can do it all at do Good

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Speaker 15: Fantasy dot com.

1954
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Speaker 2: Do Good Fantasy dot Com. Dan, Happy Thanksgiving. We'll talk

1955
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Speaker 2: next week. Thanks so much.

1956
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, have a great Turkey Day.

1957
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Speaker 2: Most definitely, we are at Oakley Greens on Thanksgiving Eve Eve.

1958
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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 33: Well, Thanksgiving Day is about family, food and most importantly football.

1960
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Speaker 5: Arbloves Flinkos look to roast.

1961
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Speaker 33: The rival evens in an AFC North Turkey tussle that

1962
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 33: reminds me I thought you should know. I really enjoy

1963
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Speaker 33: a delicious slice of punkin pie with whipped cream. It's

1964
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Speaker 33: Cincinnati versus Baltimore coverage begins at four pm Thursday. Stream

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Speaker 33: for free are the new and improved iHeartRadio app or

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Speaker 33: ESPN fifteen thirty, the official hold of US Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Late start to the hour. It is the bud Light

1968
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Speaker 2: five o'clock Happy Hour here at Oakley Greens in Oakley, where,

1969
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Speaker 2: by the way, winter glow has taken over Oakley Greens.

1970
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Speaker 2: The place is all lit up. It looks awesome for

1971
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Speaker 2: the holidays. They've got a twenty four foot Christmas keg tree.

1972
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 2: It's made out of kegs. They've got a heated patio,

1973
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Speaker 2: which is perfect for this time of year. This is

1974
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Speaker 2: a no stress, seasonal escape, free parking, two bars, thirty TVs.

1975
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,919
Speaker 2: You can watch any football game or any college basketball

1976
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 2: game you want to watch all the December Bowl game action.

1977
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 2: They've got Holiday Clubhouse cocktails which includes hot chocolate flights,

1978
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Speaker 2: which sounds amazing. Right now with your pick of Bailey's.

1979
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Speaker 2: We've got Holly, Jolly, Gin and Tonic. We've got a

1980
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Speaker 2: Bengals mule that has crown in it. We've got a

1981
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Speaker 2: golden ring which is Maker's Mark, Lemon Ginger honey Syrup.

1982
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Speaker 2: We've got new lounge areas for outside. It's great for

1983
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Speaker 2: the holidays. It's awesome for the night before Thanksgiving. I

1984
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Speaker 2: think it's awesome for the night before the night before Thanksgiving.

1985
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Speaker 2: And a great place for Ohio State. And I'm an adult,

1986
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Speaker 2: so I'll call it in Michigan. I my name begins

1987
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Speaker 2: with the letter M. I don't know what you want

1988
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Speaker 2: me to do. Great place to watch that game on Saturday.

1989
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Speaker 2: Great place to watch UCTCU, the game of the weekend

1990
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Speaker 2: in college football. All here at Oakley Greens. We're gonna

1991
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Speaker 2: go to Baltimore coming up at about twenty minutes talking

1992
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Speaker 2: about the Ravens. Plus our guy Sean sayedstats and scheme

1993
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Speaker 2: newsletter coming up in about thirty minutes. We have time

1994
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Speaker 2: for others. Let's work in our guy, Mike. Mike, you're

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. My good afternoon. How are you.

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Speaker 18: How the heck are you, buddy?

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful yourself.

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Speaker 18: Now I'm getting there how's the little how's the wife

1999
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Speaker 18: and the little one? She's getting excited about Thanksgiving.

2000
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Speaker 2: She's really excited for Thanksgiving. She likes to eat, and

2001
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Speaker 2: she also knows that after Thanksgiving comes Christmas.

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Speaker 18: Mark Curl Just like day.

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Speaker 2: She's smarter than me, no question. What's on your mind? Mike?

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Speaker 18: I got a ton of stuff. You don't have enough, tart,

2005
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Speaker 18: So let me ask you question. I'm not trying to

2006
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Speaker 18: be a smart.

2007
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Speaker 30: But what you stick?

2008
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Speaker 5: Well?

2009
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Speaker 18: T Higgins so belovedly, What's what's help with that?

2010
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Speaker 2: Why do I think he's beloved?

2011
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Speaker 5: Yeah? You you?

2012
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

2013
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Speaker 18: I mean you were like, seems like he's a special

2014
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Speaker 18: special to you. I'm just wondering what the reason was.

2015
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Speaker 2: Here's what I like about him. I like the fact

2016
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Speaker 2: that the guys signed up to be the second banana

2017
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: and he's getting paid very handsomely. But that is a sport, Frankly,

2018
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Speaker 2: that is a position where dudes want to be a

2019
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Speaker 2: number one. And T Higgins could have said I'm gonna

2020
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Speaker 2: hit free agency and go be a number one somewhere.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: He had a great game earlier this season against the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, and it was dwarfed because of how good.

2024
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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase was, so you start with that. I gained

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Speaker 2: a lot of respect for t Higgins. The last game

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty three season, Bengals are playing for

2027
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Speaker 2: their playoff lives. T Higgins was hurt. He was hurt

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Speaker 2: going into that game. He was hurt during that game,

2029
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Speaker 2: and he kept putting himself back in timing Again. Like

2030
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Speaker 2: watching that dude. Over the course of his now six

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Speaker 2: seasons in Cincinnati, what has there been not to like?

2032
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Speaker 2: Total pro accepts his role, plays his heart out, has

2033
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Speaker 2: done everything you could ask? What is there not to

2034
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 2: love about that guy?

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Speaker 18: He seems like the nice guy. It's just a shame

2036
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Speaker 18: he he gets dinged up, you know, it seems like

2037
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Speaker 18: quite often. But that's not his fault. Obviously, that's just

2038
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Speaker 18: the good Lord stepping then him for some reason or other. Hey,

2039
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 18: what was up with?

2040
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Speaker 26: Well?

2041
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Speaker 18: You know who I love right now? I love Matthew Stafford,

2042
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 18: Puka Nakua DeVante. I like Garrett Burth, I like Brandon's fist.

2043
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 18: I like Byron Young, I like Nathaniel Forbes. Some of

2044
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Speaker 18: these guys they got off the scrap heap on Waivers,

2045
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 18: like Forbes, they got him on somebody else, and uh

2046
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Speaker 18: Tensions was another guy they drafted in that same draft.

2047
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Speaker 18: With with birth and Fisk, they cleaned house. I want

2048
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Speaker 18: to do teams.

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Speaker 24: Ever, has there ever been a team that has paid

2050
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Speaker 24: more than anybody else who's paid for a general manager

2051
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Speaker 24: that you can think of?

2052
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Speaker 2: Not off the time. I don't know a general I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know general managers make well. I could tell you

2054
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Speaker 2: Ballpark what the average GM gets. I don't know who

2055
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 2: the most highly paid in the sport are, So I

2056
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Speaker 2: don't have an answer for you. But what what the

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Speaker 2: Rams have done?

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Speaker 18: You know?

2059
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Speaker 2: Tony mentioned this yesterday on the Tony and Football Show.

2060
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Speaker 2: If you go back two years ago, where you go

2061
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Speaker 2: back four years ago when the Rams beat the Bengals

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, it was like they had to

2063
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Speaker 2: win that because they mortgaged their future. They traded away

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Speaker 2: all those picks and it was going to be forever

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Speaker 2: before they were good again. And now it feels like

2066
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Speaker 2: they're the best team in the NFC and the Bengals

2067
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Speaker 2: are not the best team in the AFC, And so

2068
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Speaker 2: you give them a lot of credit for what they've

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Speaker 2: been able to do.

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Speaker 18: I think Sean mcvays, I think he's stepped ahead now

2071
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Speaker 18: Mandy Reid as far as the best coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

2073
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Speaker 18: Think so. I mean, I don't know if there's much difference,

2074
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Speaker 18: but he certainly is a dynamic unpfellow and their their

2075
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Speaker 18: GM West Sneed has done a I had do a

2076
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Speaker 18: job with these late draft picks, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks.

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Speaker 18: They've done and I know it can be done. That's

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Speaker 18: I think why we get so frustrated right now with

2079
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 18: the Bengals, because we know it can be done.

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Speaker 5: Yes, do it.

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Speaker 2: There's no one way, Mike, Thank you for the phone call.

2082
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Speaker 2: As always, there's no one way to build a championship team.

2083
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: The Rams have figured out how to do it. There's

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Speaker 2: no one way to do it. We just haven't figured

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Speaker 2: it out on the consistent basis here. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: the phone call.

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Speaker 5: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Will go to Baltimore. Next word Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 19: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you in

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Speaker 19: part by Postman Law and Vice Skyline Chile on ESPN

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Speaker 19: fifteen thirty to the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes out for five o'clock. This is ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We are broadcasting today from oakleyh Greens. We

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Speaker 2: are here every single Tuesday, and we love it. Here

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Speaker 2: a friend, Kurt mqan ninety eight Rock in Baltimore, Ravens

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Speaker 2: free and postgame host. Awesome enough of you to join us.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what we're excited about here, or at

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Speaker 2: least what we're talking about here. I'm excited to watch

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is going to play on Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: night against the Ravens in Baltimore. What's the reaction there.

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Speaker 14: Well, I don't know, and most thanks for having me.

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Speaker 14: Joe Burrow is not going to be He's.

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Speaker 5: Gonna have some rust on him.

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Speaker 18: He's missed nine games.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know.

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Speaker 14: We do a show called The Purple Power Hour with

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Speaker 14: Semi I'm Bidejo and Dennis Pittaboth super Bowl champions different

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Speaker 14: thirty five and forty seven different Super Bowls, and Semi

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Speaker 14: said he had the same thing that Burrow had, and

2122
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Speaker 14: he missed a.

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Speaker 5: Lot longer than nine weeks. So I'm just wondering, why

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Speaker 5: bring him back? Why rush back Burrow?

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Speaker 14: But if that's what you want to do, and he

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Speaker 14: hasn't fared well against the Ravens in this history three

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Speaker 14: and six. But Joe Blacko, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, I'm not telling you guys anything new.

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Speaker 14: I mean you could use the spark in Joe Burrow

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01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 14: and Jamar Chase coming back could be a spark. And

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Speaker 14: these games are always good between the Ravens and the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. Early in the season, the

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Speaker 2: Ravens defense looked like the Bengals defense. It has been terrific.

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Speaker 2: The last six games. They've held the opponent to under

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Speaker 2: twenty in each of them. What's been the big difference.

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Speaker 14: Two words, Kyle Hamilton, I mean, and I mean that's

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Speaker 14: contingent upon a couple of other things. A low heat

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Speaker 14: Gilman coming in and really holding down that back end

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Speaker 14: where Kyle Hamilton was relegated.

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Speaker 5: Now Kyle can roam around and he's he's just all

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Speaker 5: over the place.

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Speaker 14: He put a spin move on Teller of the Browns

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Speaker 14: the other.

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Speaker 5: Day and wound up on Shador Sanders. It was a

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Speaker 5: thing of beauty. You don't see a safety come up

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Speaker 5: to the line, line up in the a gap right.

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Speaker 14: There over center and between the center of the guard

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Speaker 14: and throw a spin move that somebody that's six to

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Speaker 14: four to two twenty can do. This isn't Rokwan Smith.

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Speaker 14: It's Kyle Hamilton doing it. So he's really His line

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Speaker 14: against the Browns was crazy. It was like nine tackles,

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Speaker 14: three for a loss, a sack, two passes defended. He's

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Speaker 14: having a dtoy type year and it's.

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Speaker 5: Been fun to watch.

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Speaker 14: And yeah, he's really calm things down and a low

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Speaker 14: hee Gilman coming in, and also Draymond Jones, who is

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Speaker 14: he comes hard hat in hand, He's ready to go.

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Speaker 14: Every play. He plays like a raven and he just

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Speaker 14: got here three games ago or whatever. So I'd say

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Speaker 14: those you know, those three things, and yeah, it was

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Speaker 14: hard to watch early and you guys are seeing it now.

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Speaker 14: But the Ravens were giving up an average of thirty

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Speaker 14: five points a game to the first five games, and

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Speaker 14: they've kept it under nineteen or so. I think since

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Speaker 14: it's been good lately, and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 5: The Bengals like to put up.

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Speaker 2: Points man, Yeah, no question, and they did last year,

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Speaker 2: albeit into law because Lamar Jackson was super human in

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Speaker 2: both of those games. He has been good but not

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Speaker 2: great recently. How much that can be attributed to health?

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Speaker 5: Think a lot mo.

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Speaker 14: We were looking back, and he hasn't been the same

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Speaker 14: since the Ed Oliver hit in Week one against the Bills.

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Speaker 14: Week two, he didn't run at all and the Ravens

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Speaker 14: won against the Browns, nobody talked about it. Week three,

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Speaker 14: got sacks seven times against the lines. He comes out

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Speaker 14: of the Chiefs game, and he missed a bunch of games,

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Speaker 14: and so it's not been the same. And Hardball even

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Speaker 14: alluded to it. He said something like Lamar's gonna win

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Speaker 14: a lot of pretty games. He's winning ugly right now,

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Speaker 14: but he's our quarterback, meaning Lamar's out there and he's

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Speaker 14: playing hurt and he's not going to admit it. It's

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Speaker 14: almost like hockey injury.

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Speaker 5: He's got a lower body or an upper body.

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Speaker 14: Well, he's having me. He had an ankle, he missed

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Speaker 14: yesterday's walkthrough with a toe.

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Speaker 5: He's just not been right all year long.

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Speaker 14: And he's a couple of games with no touchdown passes.

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Speaker 14: I guess the game against the Browns is one of

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Speaker 14: his worst as a pro. No touchdowns, a couple of interceptions.

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Speaker 5: It was, but they won and it was just not

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Speaker 5: the Lamar were used to. So we'll see.

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Speaker 14: I think you get past the Bengals, hopefully with a

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Speaker 14: W if you're a Ravens enthusiast, and then you get

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Speaker 14: the many by and maybe things come together because the

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Speaker 14: offensive line has not done him any favors, and he's.

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Speaker 5: Holding the ball a little long.

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Speaker 14: There's a lot going on, but still they're winning ugly,

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Speaker 14: and at the end, you want to win games, and

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Speaker 14: that's what they're doing. Five in a row, going for

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Speaker 14: six against a tough Bengals opponent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five consecutive dug out of a one in five

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Speaker 2: hole prohibitive favor to win the AFC North and understandably

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Speaker 2: so you mentioned the offensive line. How problematic has it been?

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Speaker 14: Well, it's the guards, It's Andrew Voorhees and Daniel Ale

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Speaker 14: and every now and then things come together like the

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Speaker 14: fifty nine yard Derek Henry touchdown run or it wasn't

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Speaker 14: a touchdown Richman and then the Hurricane Mark Andrews touch

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Speaker 14: push where he spun around and and and got the touchdown.

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Speaker 14: But yeah, those two have been a liability this year

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01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 14: and it's they've been. They were there last year. It's

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Speaker 14: funny HQ Shipley on ESDN going into the Browns game,

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Speaker 14: I think called the.

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Speaker 5: Raven's offensive line one of his top five and that

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Speaker 5: was a hit.

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Speaker 14: Scratcher for me and a lot of people from Baltimore.

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Speaker 14: But Ronnie Stanley's been hurt a little bit.

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Speaker 5: He's been banged up.

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01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 14: Roger Rosengarten has had some lapses.

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Speaker 5: Miles Gart, Miles Garrett, I mean, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 14: That guy's gonna own most offensive line dood het four sacks.

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Speaker 14: He spun Roger rosen Garten around and then they met

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Speaker 14: at Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 5: Together so it's it's been tough.

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Speaker 14: There's opportunity there. But you know, no Trey Hendrickson, that's

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Speaker 14: a plus. No no Higgins this week.

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Speaker 5: He's not on defense. But hey, the Bengals have had

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Speaker 5: a tough goal of it. They're gonna come in Onary. Man.

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Speaker 14: They're they're missing Thanksgiving at home too, So it's gonna be. Uh,

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Speaker 14: it's gonna be a classic AFC North battle. These teams

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01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 14: know each other, they respect each other, and they don't

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Speaker 14: like each other. And the Bengals they deserve to get

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01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 14: one of these games at their place. It does seem

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Speaker 14: like they are on the road for a lot of these.

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Speaker 5: Milestone games.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in the aftermats of the schedule coming out, we

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Speaker 2: talked about that a ton. It should be. It should

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Speaker 2: be great. Kirk, I can't thank you enough for the time, man,

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 5: MO appreciate it. Enjoy the game. You got it.

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Speaker 2: not say he's one hundred percent because he's not. Nobody

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Speaker 2: believes that he is. Nonetheless, he'll play quarterback for the

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Speaker 2: Bengals on Thursday night when they take on the Ravens

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Speaker 2: in Baltimore, kickoff at a twenty on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson and Kyle Hamilton both back at practice for

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Speaker 2: the Ravens today, and that is pretty much I believe

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Speaker 2: it for your local sports headlines. As reading a Laurel Failure,

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Speaker 2: who covers FC Cincinnati for her newsletter, and she was

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Speaker 2: writing about how I guess Cubo has made it known

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Speaker 2: that he is not going to return to FC Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: this year. You ya, Cubo's time comes to an end

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01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 2: after six years, and it would be uh would have

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Speaker 2: been nice if we'd be talking about the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 2: Final this week. Unfortunately that is not the case. By

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Speaker 2: and Scheme newsletter coming up here in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: On Joe Burrow, I put this on social media right

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Speaker 2: after the game on Sunday that if if I were

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, I would tell Joe Burrow, see you at

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01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 2: voluntary mini camp or see you during the voluntary program.

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01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: And then I said, you know, I'd give him a

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01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 2: key to the best Caribbean rental I could find. I

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01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 2: would do that. That's easy for me to say that

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01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 2: I would do that because I'm not going to run

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01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:03,760
Speaker 2: the team. It's easy. It's it's I've maintained this all

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01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 2: along that as long as the Bengals are playing games

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01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 2: that matter, and this game on Thursday matters, and they

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01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,839
Speaker 2: do have a mathematical chance of getting to the postseason.

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Speaker 2: And look, this division is not very good. I think

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01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 2: ten wins wins it. Unfortunately, well, the Bengals can't get

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Speaker 2: to ten wins, but it's not far fetched to think

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01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh's I don't want to say collapse, but the

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01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 2: Steelers are not great, and I don't think this Ravens team,

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01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 2: while good, I don't think is great either. And if

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Speaker 2: you win this one on Thursday, the door opens up

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01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 2: a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm nervous about Joe Burrow not being one hundred percent.

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01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 2: I'm nervous about Joe Burrow playing in games that don't

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01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 2: matter much. I'm nervous about Joe Burrow playing in games

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01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 2: that don't matter at all. I think for me, at least,

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01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 2: the math changes entirely. Math goes away, if that makes sense,

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01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 2: Like if I keep saying, if there's an X next

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Speaker 2: to the Bengals game and the standings, put him on

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01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 2: the bench and don't play him, and I believe that.

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01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 2: But while they're playing games that matter, Yes, it's easy

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Speaker 2: for someone like me to say, God, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I just tell the dude to show up in April

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01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 2: for voluntary workouts and we'll get started on next year.

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Speaker 2: That's easy for me to say. I'm not the coach

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Speaker 2: who has to look at the rest of the guys

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Speaker 2: that I'm trying to get to play for me and

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Speaker 2: telling them that our meal ticket we're not using. Joe's

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01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 2: not gonna play. I'm not the coach who has to

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Speaker 2: look at Joe Burrow after he has worked his tail

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01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 2: off to get ready to play to be in a

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Speaker 2: position to help the team. I'm not the coach who

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01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 2: has to look at him and say, sorry, Joe, those

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01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 2: efforts are for naught. And like I do, think you

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01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 2: have to acknowledge, and nobody wants to say anything nice

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01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 2: about the Bengals right now, and they get what they

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01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 2: have coming to them. They've certainly got it from this show.

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Speaker 2: They didn't run him out there on Sunday recklessly like

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Speaker 2: they told him.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: Joe talked about it being Zach Taylor's decision. So there

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01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 2: was a level of prudence and a level of carefulness,

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01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 2: for lack of a better way of putting it, that

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01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 2: the Bengals applied to the decision about Joe playing against

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01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 2: the Patriots. They feel better about him with a couple

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01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 2: of practices last week, whatever they're doing this week, a

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01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 2: couple more days to get ready, they feel okay about him.

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01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 2: On Thursday, say yeah, look it's easy for me to say, man,

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01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 2: if it's me, I'm telling them, show up in March

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01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 2: or April and we'll see you. Then I don't have

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01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 2: to look at Joe's teammates. I'm not asking Joe's teammates

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Speaker 2: to play for me. I'm not trying to save my job.

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01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 2: Perhaps I'm not trying to do everything I can to

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01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 2: win games to keep my gig. I'm not the person

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01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 2: that has to look at Joe Berrowin tell him I

2354
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 2: know you've worked really hard, but we're gonna stick with

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01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, who, by the way, is physically compromised. So

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Speaker 2: I'll acknowledge that. Man Like, it is really easy for

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01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 2: those of us on the outside to say what we

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01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 2: would do, which we do in sports and we do

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01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 2: in life all the time. It's easy to pretend that

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01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 2: you're in someone else's shoes, but you're not, and I'm not.

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Speaker 2: And so look, I'm apprehensive about this because I don't

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01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 2: know how you can't be.

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Speaker 25: And I.

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Speaker 2: Am not among those who are clinging to the idea

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Speaker 2: that because the AFC North isn't great, that Joe is

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01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 2: back and so they're gonna go on a run and

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Speaker 2: win their last six. I don't think the team is

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01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 2: good enough to do that. I didn't think the team

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01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 2: was good enough before the season for them to just

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Speaker 2: roll through and win six consecutive games. At any point.

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Speaker 2: They're on the road a short week at Baltimore, and

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Speaker 2: while the Ravens have been far from dominant, it's still

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. They have Kyle Hamilton back. He's been the

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Speaker 2: key to unlocking their defense. Like there's a lot in

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Speaker 2: their way. They're touchdown underdogs for a reason, But all right,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna play by the way. The watch sports solely

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Speaker 2: to be entertained. Part of me can't wait to watch

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow because he's awesome to watch. So yeah, we

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Speaker 2: could do the Hey, this is what I would do,

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Speaker 2: but none of us are in the position that Zach

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Speaker 2: for you. And I could understand him going, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: you want to ask these guys to play for me?

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Speaker 2: Bengals beat the or loss to the Patriots, but the

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01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 2: defense was better on Sunday? Was it better schemes, better

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 2: schematics by Al Golden or the Bengals just winning matchups? Oh?

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01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 1: It was really kind of fun to watch. I wouldn't

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01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 1: say it was necessarily schematic. I thought it was a

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01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 1: little bit more at the player level, where on our

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01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 1: AI grade, DJ Turner had a grade out as an eight,

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01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 1: which is seen as like a player of the week

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01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 1: type performance. You also get that really nice pick six

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01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: from Geno Stone. You get some stunting success on the

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01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: inside which I did like that, you know, test the

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01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 1: offensive line in a different way, a bunch of goal

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01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 1: line stands and kind of getting in the face of

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01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So actually, now that I think about it

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01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: was a little bit schematic, but definitely at that player

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01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 1: level where now we're getting okay, good games from Murphy

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01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:59,120
Speaker 1: Hill and Osi like those are things that you can

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01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:01,040
Speaker 1: actually build on, where I do think some of the

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02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,840
Speaker 1: issues for the Patriots came down to something as simple

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02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,440
Speaker 1: as Drake may just just spraying a few of those throws.

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Speaker 1: It was all the fun, if I may say so myself.

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02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 5: To watch that game back, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was an entertaining game. It didn't have the right result.

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Speaker 2: When teams play good goal line defense, is that ever

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02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:19,920
Speaker 2: schematic or is it just line up and beat the

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Speaker 2: dude in front of you.

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Speaker 1: Till I would say, for really high level goal line offenses,

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Speaker 1: it can very much be schematic. I think when you

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Speaker 1: see four runs right into the middle, back to back

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Speaker 1: to back to back, I would lean that to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more at the player level, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's anything wrong with that. As much as

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Speaker 1: I talk about skins and stuff, I still think this

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02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 1: is a player makes plays type of league. So I

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Speaker 1: do think that was just like a really nice job

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Speaker 1: on the inside. At the individual level. How many times

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Speaker 1: have we talk this year and you even look at

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Speaker 1: it in this game, where are you missing a tackle?

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02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 1: Are you able to destroy a block? And I think

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Speaker 1: the Bengals did that on the goal line against the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: The one thing they did not do well, and it's

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02:00:56,920 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 2: been a deficiency all year. I think it stood out

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Speaker 2: on Sunday because they actually did do a lot of

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Speaker 2: things well as they had no defense in the middle

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02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 2: of the field. Hunter Henry Austin Hooper combined ten catches.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Henry had one hundred and fifteen yards. They combined

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02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 2: for over one fifty five Is there is there anything

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02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:19,960
Speaker 2: you can do when you are playing two rookie linebackers

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02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:22,560
Speaker 2: and you have the deficiencies the Bengals have in safety?

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02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 2: Is there anything that Al Golden can do to at

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Speaker 2: least somewhat shore up their defense in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the field?

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Speaker 1: Man, you can try and find ways maybe just make

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02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:34,160
Speaker 1: their life a little easier. Whether half the time you're

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02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:36,760
Speaker 1: sending one linebacker and you're able to simplify the job

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Speaker 1: of the other linebacker. Because I agree with you, and

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Speaker 1: I'm watching that back and like any time the Patriots

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Speaker 1: needed to find a way to create some explosion, it's like,

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Speaker 1: let's get the the linebackers going in the wrong direction,

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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to take advantage of them.

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Speaker 1: So I will say linebacker in the NFL is an

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Speaker 1: extremely hard job. When you look at the top, there

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Speaker 1: aren't like fifteen dominant dominant players. Maybe the same way

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Speaker 1: you think about wide receiver, but it's yeah, sometimes at

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Speaker 1: the top and again through some of the film when

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Speaker 1: you're looking at emotion just like totally kind of unfolding

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Speaker 1: part of the defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really stood out on Sunday. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: that's going to get any better, given the fact that

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Speaker 2: they're going to play a team with a couple of

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02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:16,000
Speaker 2: really good tight ends in the Baltimore Ravens. So Joe

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is going to play, and you and I

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Speaker 2: have talked about this a bunch. I don't expect Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow to suddenly start taking a bunch of snaps under center.

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Speaker 2: But like, given given what they have been able to

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Speaker 2: touch on offensively without Joe, given Joe's extensive skills set

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Speaker 2: and all his experience. What can we expect schematically for

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher to come up with against Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can I get some isolation shots for my

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02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 1: guy Mitchell Tinsley?

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Speaker 18: A lot of fun to watch against the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Bo I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: anything that can make this stuff more fun when I'm

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Speaker 1: watching it. I do think, obviously, with a f Ke

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02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:55,880
Speaker 1: Higgins in this game, that is a little bit of

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02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 1: a bummer. And I guess like underneath it all, I

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02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,760
Speaker 1: feel like, yes, Joe Burrow is probably not gonna just

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Speaker 1: become like a forty under center type quarterback, but maybe

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02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:08,320
Speaker 1: we should have a little bit of that expectation where

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02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 1: you need to find different ways to make life easier

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02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:13,440
Speaker 1: on your offensive line. You need to find different ways

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02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 1: to really put defenses in a conflict. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I thought Chakes Brown had a really good game against

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. You're able to see that burst. I think

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02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:22,320
Speaker 1: he can run from gun and on our center. But

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02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 1: if we're getting into under center looks, we're getting that

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02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 1: play action look, we can have guys running across the

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02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 1: middle of the field. I do want to see that

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02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: for the Bengals because the rest of this year to me,

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Speaker 1: and I like that Burrough's playing because you know, it's

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02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 1: like he's he's paid. And I think that if you

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02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:38,960
Speaker 1: take a full year off of football, that is really tough. Now, MO,

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02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:40,880
Speaker 1: don't play this back if he gets injured at any

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Speaker 1: point over the.

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Speaker 5: Next two games here.

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Speaker 1: But I do think, like keep finding ways to shape

2504
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 1: that offense and more for the little bit. And I

2505
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:51,400
Speaker 1: totally get Burrow is a special, like one of one

2506
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 1: type shotgun player, like he really really is. But in

2507
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,400
Speaker 1: the NFL now, the way things are going, you're not

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02:03:57,560 --> 02:03:59,640
Speaker 1: always able to just sit back there. You don't want

2509
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: to drop back forty five times from a regular shotgun

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02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: the way that your offensive line kind of has played overall,

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02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 1: So let's expect a little bit understand and hopefully be

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02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:08,800
Speaker 1: able to talk about it more next.

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Speaker 5: Week, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting. Sean side As with a subscribe

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Speaker 2: to his newsletter, the Stats and Schemes Newsletter at sumersports

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Speaker 2: dot com. The Baltimore Ravens in the first four or

2517
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 2: five games of the season were nearly as bad as

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Speaker 2: the Bengals are defensively. Since then, they've been terrific. Six

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02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:28,800
Speaker 2: consecutive opponents, they've given up twenty points for fewer. The

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02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 2: obvious answer I think is they've gotten healthier. But beyond that,

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02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 2: what's been the difference you've seen on tape between Baltimore

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02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:38,520
Speaker 2: in the first half of their game so far and

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Speaker 2: what they've done over the last month and a half.

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Speaker 1: Big difference has been put in Kyle Hamilton in the slot.

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Speaker 1: You get them a little bit closer to the line,

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02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,840
Speaker 1: you get them to play physical against the run really

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Speaker 1: as like a linebacker type of body. But also, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to take anything away from the wins, but

2529
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Speaker 1: you played the Jets, the Browns, the Vikings, and the Dolphins,

2530
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:59,840
Speaker 1: not exactly the greatest stretch of offenses in the NFL.

2531
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:02,880
Speaker 1: So Kyle Hampton, I think he exited the game maybe

2532
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 1: twice against the Jets for being banged up. I think

2533
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 1: he ends up being healthy and I'm assuming that he's

2534
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna play, but maybe take it to him a little bit,

2535
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, at that physical level where I mean, he's

2536
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 1: an awesome run defender. So I'm not saying that you're

2537
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna get positives all the time, but you know, let's see,

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02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 1: are you going to be able to as a safety

2539
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:19,520
Speaker 1: type body play in the box for you know, thirty

2540
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:20,440
Speaker 1: forty pats a game.

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02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 2: You point out that if you look at the Bengals

2542
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 2: Jets game, Derrick Henry just a nineteen percent rushing success

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02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:30,160
Speaker 2: rate right the first game of the season, and granted

2544
02:05:30,200 --> 02:05:31,720
Speaker 2: he had a big fumble in that game, but they

2545
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 2: lose to Buffalo. Derreck Henry was awesome in that game.

2546
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:37,880
Speaker 2: I feel like what I've watched him since that hasn't

2547
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:41,600
Speaker 2: so much been the case. Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson hasn't been himself.

2548
02:05:42,040 --> 02:05:45,400
Speaker 2: Not sure he's totally healthy. What's missing from the Ravens

2549
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:46,160
Speaker 2: offense this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those two things are tied together quite well,

2551
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 1: because I don't think Lamar Jackson is one hundred percent healthy.

2552
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he's able to like be a consistent Hey,

2553
02:05:56,520 --> 02:05:58,560
Speaker 1: we're going to lean on you for fifteen carries every

2554
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 1: single game, and if you're not able to do that,

2555
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:02,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it ends up closing some of the lanes for

2556
02:06:03,080 --> 02:06:06,200
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry. So I it's been interesting to see this

2557
02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:08,400
Speaker 1: offense definitely take a little bit of a step back,

2558
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:10,760
Speaker 1: and it feels like on the outside, yes, they Flowers

2559
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 1: have had a good year, but I'm just not sure

2560
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:16,000
Speaker 1: that this receiving group like really strikes a ton of

2561
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:17,920
Speaker 1: fear in your heart. So if you're able to win

2562
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 1: over you know, the left guard, the right guard, where

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Speaker 1: I think you can take advantage of this offense and

2564
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:24,800
Speaker 1: you're able to tackle Henry, you know, just at or

2565
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 1: near the live of screen, which I think is going

2566
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 1: to be a real test for the Bengals linebackers. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think even at a team that is probably I

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Speaker 1: guess is gonna win the AFC North because we have

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Speaker 1: to give the AFC North Championship to.

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Speaker 4: Someone this season.

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Speaker 1: They're not really, they're not, I think making me shake

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Speaker 1: in my boots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 25: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're Baltimore, you go, Okay, put the

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02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 2: Bengals away. They should be able to beat Pittsburgh twice.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Steelers are very good. We'll see

2578
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Speaker 30: Really specific type stuff, whether it's hey, how is.

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Speaker 1: This team doing against the blizz How is this quarterback

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