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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning a fan outdoors, faithful, Yes, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. It's a dandy day. If you're well, if

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Speaker 3: you're a nice cube, you would probably keep it, keep

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Speaker 3: it afloat. For a while, I was wondering how you're

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Speaker 3: going to finish that. It's a dandy day. If they

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Speaker 3: roads are not that great.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be a tiring enjoy slip slide away

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Speaker 2: on the side road that because it is glare ice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, oh goodness gracious. But the highways, yeah,

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Speaker 3: thank you to the the salt trucks out there keeping

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Speaker 3: the the highways. It seemed to be decent. Take it easy,

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Speaker 3: don't press your luck. But they seem to be decent.

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Speaker 3: That the side roads not sun not so much.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we don't give accolades to the plow

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Speaker 2: drivers enough. I really don't believe that, because they're kind

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Speaker 2: of taken for grant collectively. Yeah, I mean, because they

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Speaker 2: they're they're out there, boy, and it takes I'm sure

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Speaker 2: it takes some skill to do it.

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Speaker 3: I haven't done I haven't. I have never done it.

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Speaker 2: But I had a heck of a time learning to

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Speaker 2: drive that big truck with a longer box.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I.

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Speaker 2: Tove over a bunch of curbs, Kirby and kirby backing in.

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Speaker 3: It takes a couple of times. How much longer is here?

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Speaker 3: Suburban or suburban? Suburban is like a refrigerator on side.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It feels like a lot probably, I

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Speaker 3: don't know what extra four feet, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's not a suburban. It's a silveratto. It is it is,

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Speaker 2: but it's yeah. Eric had the same one. Now he's

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Speaker 2: got a different truck, but he had the longer, heavier,

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Speaker 2: a three quarter ton now to pull the fish ouse

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Speaker 2: that he doesn't get anywhere with because it hasn't gone

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Speaker 3: Times, maybe this year, maybe this year.

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Speaker 2: But it is that ice castle is fantastic to take

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Speaker 2: hunting and camping, just awesome with the air conditioning and

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Speaker 2: the TV and the really really nice interior. Anyway, when

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Speaker 2: he first got his, I was gonna take it home

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Speaker 2: from where his wife works, and he was going to

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Speaker 2: drive her car for some reason, so he said, just

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Speaker 2: be careful. Having got out of the parking lot, I

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Speaker 2: drove over a curb taking a turning a corner, I

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Speaker 2: drove over the curb. Anyway, it's gotten easier and it's uh,

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Speaker 2: it's better than it was. I haven't taken a curb

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Speaker 2: Hey, today, I think we're at the high because I

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Speaker 2: had twenty one degrees and forecast at highest twenty one degrees.

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Speaker 3: I had twenty two, so we broke the higher, righty,

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Speaker 3: what a deal? Yeah there five am. Wow.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be windy today to tend to twenty

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Speaker 2: to go down with the wind.

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Speaker 3: You have to have skates and your skis. Right now,

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Speaker 3: after all the rain and the thighing and then the

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Speaker 3: refreezing and the snow is hard too. Oh yeah, but

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Speaker 3: sun up today ten minutes to eight and four point

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Speaker 3: fifty one. It will set. But we have gained since

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Speaker 3: one week ago today fourteen minutes of daylight really fourteen

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Speaker 2: So talking about taking something for granted, yeah, that's it

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Speaker 3: You'll be at your cabin before you know it. Oh goodness, guy,

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Speaker 3: it'll be the State Fair before we know it. After that,

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Speaker 3: thank you. Yeah, but it is.

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Speaker 2: And I did talk with Danny Fletcher yesterday and asked

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Speaker 3: Socc Lake is slow, slow, solow.

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Speaker 2: And what he did tell me is what he learned

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Speaker 2: one got four, one got none. So do you ever

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Speaker 2: catch perch on?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: they're little enough. They're tough to clean. Perch Yeah, well yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm good on one side when I when I'm flaying him,

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Speaker 2: if I tip him over, then I have I struggle

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Speaker 2: but to get through the scales, they tend to dull.

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Speaker 3: My knife faster than the other fish. But I guess

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Speaker 3: that's just me. Looks like you're reading the text. I am,

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Speaker 3: you're looking at a phono. I am.

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Speaker 2: I just got the text. And it's a a gentleman.

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Speaker 3: I know. Up in Alexandria, boy dandy crappie he's got

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Speaker 3: and this morning while he's listening.

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Speaker 2: On the Hamadu and Alec crappies are hungry twelve inches long.

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Speaker 3: That fish is twelve inch crappy.

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Speaker 2: That's nice fish, that said, dandy fish.

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Speaker 3: Would you? I guess I wouldn't consider it a slab,

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Speaker 3: but it's a very nice heater. Oh yeah, yeah, what's

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Speaker 3: a slab? Crappy? Fourteen? Dang it? Final big ones, they're

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're so big though, you really, I don't keep

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Speaker 2: a bunch of big croppies ten well eleven, twelve or

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Speaker 2: fabulous heater. A couple of years ago, I was catching

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Speaker 2: them on when I was fishing for walleyes with that

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Speaker 3: Oh which little crank bait? Are you? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Yes, I'm in and i'm they're hitting, and they're

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. He's on little sock, big sock, on sock,

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Speaker 3: And so I caught them, and i'd reel them in

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Speaker 3: I caught I caught well, I think I caught nine.

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Speaker 3: I think ten is of limit, but I caught nine

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Speaker 3: and that was enough and I really didn't need nine anyway.

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Speaker 3: But nobody else caught a fish, and I'll be dog gone.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to show what I was doing a jerk.

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Speaker 2: But then I left and I checked back in an

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Speaker 3: Couldn't replicate you. I guess that was the lure you

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Speaker 3: flicker flicker shat that. I'm proud of you for admitting

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Speaker 3: it on the air. But I've gotten so I really

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Speaker 3: enjoy that particular bait. I really do it. I've uh

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Speaker 3: if you look at my time, I've got one box

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Speaker 3: just for the help of just one color of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have because later in the summer we had

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Speaker 2: to switch colors and Eric discovered that particular color and

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Speaker 2: it worked really good. And that's the same that fall

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Speaker 2: color is what Danny Fletcher was fishing when he was

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Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, he had a bunch of them in

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Speaker 3: his store and they're all gone. Did you buy them?

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Speaker 5: I did not.

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Speaker 3: Wrong color? Anyway? This morning and coughing here, keep that

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Speaker 3: the brand family.

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Speaker 2: The flu has hit our family. I haven't been anybody

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Speaker 2: and to get it, well, I don't think so, but

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping I don't because it knocks your socks off.

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Speaker 3: Who's got.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, This morning we are going to talk with Gabe

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Speaker 2: Stone Rough Grouse Society and then it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a stand tequila day. And he sent me some videos

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Speaker 2: that folks get on the camera that he has there

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Speaker 2: and he's got his owl camera.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 2: I heard great horned owl hand or a female making

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Speaker 2: noises as she was checking out a nest I didn't

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Speaker 3: I had him sounding off in my backyard the last

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Speaker 2: So those are bar owls, I think. Oh okay, I

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Speaker 2: believe so well. We can ask Stan and then Tackle

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Speaker 2: and see if he's doing any better. Of course, urse

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Speaker 2: he always catches more fishing. Anyway, we will take that

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Speaker 2: pause and on our return will be joined by mister

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Speaker 2: Gabe Stone, who will also be at pheasant Fest. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this coming fex part Yeah, yeah, okay, six weeks away.

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Speaker 3: We will be back after this.

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Speaker 2: We're back seventeen minutes after the hour of six a m.

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Speaker 2: On a fan outdoors Saturday morning. Bob Saint Pierre in

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Speaker 2: studio yours truly, that's me and Brett Bakeboor is running

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Speaker 2: the show. We appreciate him, as we always do because

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Speaker 2: he does a win fantastic job.

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Speaker 3: We do thank him for that too. I heard the

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Speaker 3: big day for you too, Bratt. It's a huge day. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was waiting for Saturday night. Yeah, waiting for Saturday

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Speaker 3: night when the Packers take on the Bears. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of social currency on the line tonight. That's for sure. Well,

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Speaker 3: my team and our next guest team who's calling in

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Speaker 3: from Michigan. Our Detroit Lions are no longer relevant, which

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Speaker 3: resembles the entirety of my life minus like two years.

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Speaker 3: Normally we wear brown bags over our heads. Is Detroit

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Speaker 3: Lions fans.

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Speaker 6: But we'll switch from football talk to rough grouse talk

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Speaker 6: as we welcome in Gabe Stone from the rough Grouse

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Speaker 6: Society in American Woodcock Society.

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Speaker 3: How are things in Michigan this morning game?

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Speaker 4: Right now? They're cold and dark?

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Speaker 3: Continued dark until yeah, exactly. I know you just got

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Speaker 3: home from Kansas on a on a quail hunting trip.

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Speaker 3: How how are bird numbers in Kansas?

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Speaker 4: Oh Man? Not nearly as cold and not as dark?

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Speaker 4: It was. It was a wonderful trip. We got We

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Speaker 4: got into birds all over the place. It was my

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Speaker 4: first time actually hunting wild bob white quail, and man

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Speaker 4: am I hooked those little birds. When a covey blows

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Speaker 3: Well, tell us you know, rough grouse season ended last

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's literally think of things coming out

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Speaker 3: What about winter, there's you know, folks get worried about

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Speaker 3: But that can be counterintuitive when it comes to rough grouse.

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Speaker 3: Captain. Have you ever had a grouse come out of

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Speaker 4: It's it's brings some extra toilet paper.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible, it's incredible. As we transition a little bit

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Speaker 3: number eleven. We get four free passes to Pheasant Fest

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Speaker 3: for caller number eleven sixty five five three two, So

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Speaker 3: I get that right, Captain, that's right, zero five, and

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I'm I'm really looking forward to the addition

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Speaker 3: Yeah what was that bush light?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, caunt me down for that. And it's going to

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Speaker 4: on that. I'd love to be able to, but there

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Speaker 4: is definitely a correlation with kind of a boom and

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Speaker 4: bust exactly ten years. You know, hyper locality depending on

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Speaker 4: where folks are hunting, may plays a big picture on it.

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Speaker 4: Moisture is a big thing. Fruit mass production also is

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Speaker 4: a big element to this too. So I don't feel

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Speaker 4: super confident being able to say yes one per every

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Speaker 4: ten years. So twenty twenty, they're twenty thirty three is

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Speaker 4: going to be a great year exactly, But there is

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Speaker 4: correlation to a boom and buston.

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Speaker 3: Very cool. Well, thank you for getting up early with

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Speaker 3: us this morning. Gabe calling in and thanks for being

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Speaker 3: a part of pheasant Fest and quote classic. It's great

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Speaker 3: to have the Rough Grouse Society with us. I'll point

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Speaker 3: folks one more time to Pheasantfest dot org. You can

448
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Speaker 3: see the lineup, the show guide and everything happening at

449
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Speaker 3: Grouse Camp, and I'll encourage everybody to join the Rough

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Speaker 3: Grouse Society either at the Grouse Camp within pheasant Fest

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Speaker 3: or what's the our gs website cape?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Roughgrouse Society dot org.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Thanks Gabe, appreciate you joining us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the opportunity to come on guys. And when

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Speaker 4: I got the calendar invite, I's like, man six fifteen,

456
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: that's earlier and then I'm like, oh, I'm in Michigan

457
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: that it wasn't it wasn't too bad. I appreciate it again,

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I urge anybody that is a

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Speaker 4: rough grouse society or is a rough grouse hunter to

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Speaker 4: join in direct correlation with the work that we're able

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Speaker 4: to get done in the amount of members we have.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guy right gave Stone and he will be at

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Speaker 2: pheasant Fest.

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Speaker 3: You will. Yeah, if you've met a fabulous guy, if

465
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Speaker 3: you've got questions, hang on to him and bring them along.

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Speaker 3: There we go there, we'll take a pause and we

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Speaker 3: will be back with mister Stan Tequila and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit about a camera that is uh, pretty cool,

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Speaker 3: pretty cool, And we'll be right back with Stan after this.

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Speaker 8: Welcome back to Fan Outdoors, joined now by author, naturalist

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Speaker 8: and photographer Stan Tequila. Whether it's in Minnesota, Alaska, or Africa,

472
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 8: he's always in search of all things wild and natural.

473
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 8: He may even know more about animals than they do themselves.

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Speaker 3: And you thought the cat knew the outdoors.

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Speaker 8: Here's fan favorite Stan Tequila on Fan Outdoors.

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Speaker 9: Good morning, sir, good morning, how are you. I'm doing good?

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Speaker 9: Both of you in there today. Yes, good morning, Stan, Wow,

478
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 9: but it's been a while.

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Speaker 3: How you been. I'm good. Happy New Year, Happy New

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00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: Year to you too.

481
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: He had wandered stand as far as he could go.

482
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: He had to come back and they won't let him

483
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: go in any other state.

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00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: It turns out I'm still married. Who knew?

485
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: And his wife has gone for the weekend womention time. Hey,

486
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Speaker 2: I got some videos and some things comments from yourself

487
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: about a couple of your camera with the owls on it,

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Speaker 2: that's stand this incredible.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, so for people don't know, four years ago,

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Speaker 9: I put up a great horn owl nest platform. So

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Speaker 9: I just took some two B sixes and screwed them

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Speaker 9: together in a three foot by three foot box and

493
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Speaker 9: put a bottom on it that was porous enough to

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Speaker 9: and built a nest out of it. And you know,

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Speaker 9: I will go into the details. Anyhow, I put this

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Speaker 9: platform up specifically for great horn owls and immediately got

497
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Speaker 9: a pair of great horn owls to move in. And

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Speaker 9: they've been there the last four years.

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Speaker 3: In a row.

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Speaker 9: So this year, back in October, I installed a four

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Speaker 9: K of you know, night infrared night camera also so

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Speaker 9: we can watch them at night. Two install the camera

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Speaker 9: above the nest in hopes that they would come back

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Speaker 9: again this year. And so two nights ago had the

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Speaker 9: first visit and a female came in and was checking

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Speaker 9: it out and looking around, and so I was pretty

507
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 9: excited about that.

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Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 3: Last night had both the.

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Speaker 9: Male and the female in and I've been able to

511
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Speaker 9: capture some nice video of the whole thing. And if

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Speaker 9: they choose this spot again this year, because remember, great

513
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Speaker 9: horn owls are one of the earliest nesting birds that

514
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Speaker 9: we have, so they're choosing nesting sites right now. So

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Speaker 9: you're gonna hear a lot of duet calling. You're gonna

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00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 9: hear the male and the female calling back and forth

517
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Speaker 9: to each other. And because they're kind of in that stage,

518
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 9: that romance period of mating where the building the pair

519
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 9: bond between the two of them, and they'll start nesting

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00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 9: anytime now through March. So some pairs are much later

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Speaker 9: than others. I usually the kind of the juvenile females,

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Speaker 9: the females that are new at this are nest a

523
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Speaker 9: little bit later, and the ones with more maturity, the

524
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Speaker 9: more experience, they nest a little bit earlier. And because

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Speaker 9: the challenges of you know, nesting in February, as you

526
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Speaker 9: can imagine, you know, especially here in Minnesota, and so anyhow,

527
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Speaker 9: so I was pretty darn excited and I thought, oh gosh,

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Speaker 9: this would be a great thing to talk about. And

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Speaker 9: so this is part of you know, you're familiar. I've

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Speaker 9: got my flying squirrels at a live stream, and I

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Speaker 9: turned that on at night and usually run for three

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Speaker 9: four hours for people to see. I got two different feeders.

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Speaker 9: I got these flying squirrels going back and forth, which

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Speaker 9: is just they are.

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Speaker 3: They are so much fun. And then so then I thought, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna.

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Speaker 9: If these guys choose the great ron ils choose the

538
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Speaker 9: nest at this nest site, then I'm gonna live stream that.

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00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 9: That'll be a live stream twenty four to seven, So

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Speaker 9: that'll be one of those that I'll turn it on

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Speaker 9: because she'll be incubating during the daytime and you know,

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Speaker 9: there's things to watch there. So I'm pretty dark excited

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Speaker 9: about it. And so I with my exuberance, I was like,

544
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Speaker 9: I got to share this, and so I always said

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Speaker 9: it over to you, saying, hey, we got to it's

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Speaker 9: pretty dark cool people can see it. I put it

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Speaker 9: on social media last night, Bob, do you have to

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Speaker 9: see it?

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Speaker 3: I have not seen it yet.

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Speaker 9: No, Yeah, I've got it on Instagram and also Facebook,

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Speaker 9: and i'll do another one today. And I've got about

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Speaker 9: three or four clips I want to put up. And

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Speaker 9: last night's stuff was amazing. They two of them together

554
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 9: making different noises, then hooting back and forth to each other,

555
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Speaker 9: and then going into the nest, and it's it's interesting

556
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Speaker 9: to see this nesting behavior. So they'll go in to

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Speaker 9: the nest platform. By the way, owls do not make

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Speaker 9: their own nest. They don't even they don't bring in

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Speaker 9: any nesting material nothing, so they're relying on established nests.

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Speaker 3: So this nest box, when I was up in the

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Speaker 3: nest this.

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Speaker 9: Past October, I hadn't been up there for the you know,

563
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Speaker 9: I put it up there four years ago and I

564
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Speaker 9: hadn't been up there since then, so all of the

565
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 9: nesting material I put it in there kind of had

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Speaker 9: broken down. So I added all new nesting material to it,

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Speaker 9: and so it's looking really good, and I think it's

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Speaker 9: going to be a pretty desirable spot for them this year,

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Speaker 9: at least I'm hoping so. And you know, it's it's

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Speaker 9: interesting to see that they'll get in that nest and

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Speaker 9: then she'll form it to her body by turning and

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Speaker 9: pressing down with her chest and turning and pressing down

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Speaker 9: to the chest, and she'll she'll form a little cup,

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Speaker 9: little depression in the nesting material that I've got in there,

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Speaker 9: which is basically dried grasses.

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Speaker 3: It could be anything though.

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Speaker 9: It could be leaves, it could be you know, any

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Speaker 9: variety of things, so it could be just uh, you know, uh,

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Speaker 9: wood shavings or you know that type of thing. And

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Speaker 9: so to see this behavior, you can watch her come

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Speaker 9: in and do this and then the talking. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 9: male sitting right next to her waiting, you know, kind

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Speaker 9: of showing that he's his support and things like that.

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Speaker 3: So it's a it's a it's a cool thing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Bob wouldn't know anything about that.

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Speaker 3: But I was just you sound like you answered, pomorphizing

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Speaker 3: the male. Yeah, oh yeah, he's standing there. He goes

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00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: going on. I don't know, Howney. It's one of the

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00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: things Stan, I when I watched the.

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Speaker 2: Videos that you sent, the female walking walking around the nest,

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Speaker 2: just like you're saying, but she's making noises that I

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: have never heard before, just no quiet but yeah, that is.

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Speaker 9: And see that's where the actual study of a species,

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Speaker 9: you know, a close examination and study long term over

595
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 9: a period of time really comes in because you see

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00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 9: here or you know, whatever, experience something that you hadn't

597
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 9: really expected before, and that, to me is all is

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00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 9: really worth it.

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Speaker 3: Well, and she hooted a couple of times too, not

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Speaker 3: like a bar owl does, but definitely an owl sound.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and both of them are you know, kind of

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00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 9: hooting back and forth, which is which is pretty darn neat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so will that will the male be real far away?

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Speaker 9: Typically what happens with gray four owls in their nesting

605
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 9: is the female does all the nesting duties and the

606
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 9: male hunts and brings in the food. So that's typically

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Speaker 9: how it goes. And so it's you know, he'll bring you,

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Speaker 9: it's funny, uh not far away. Maybe I'm gonna say

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Speaker 9: five miles away. There's a pheasant farm, actually several pheasant farms,

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Speaker 9: and they love the pheasants. These great horn owls will

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Speaker 9: bring in these pheasants quite quite regularly. Although there are

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Speaker 9: you know, peasant farms that have oh yeah they're they're

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Speaker 9: completely netted. But typically when an individual bird dies, they

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00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 9: take take it out of the enclosure and they throw

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00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 9: it out into an area, And there could be that

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00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 9: they're just pulling uh these pheasants from the dead pile

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00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 9: basically to bring back home too.

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Speaker 3: So there's a good chance of that also. So those

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Speaker 3: game fire ones are dumb though they would be easy

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Speaker 3: prey for it. Yeah. With with that, with the male

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Speaker 3: and bringing food back when she is nesting, does she

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Speaker 3: rely on the male to feed hersolutely?

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Speaker 9: So typically in no situations is uh, he'll bring back food.

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Speaker 9: She will do one of two things to you know,

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Speaker 9: depending on how cold it is, because she can't leave

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Speaker 9: her eggs for very long. She'll she'll feed herself first

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Speaker 9: and then after the eggs have hatched, then she'll go

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Speaker 9: ahead and start feeding the young. But typically uh, and

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Speaker 9: then but she does leave for periods of time, uh,

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Speaker 9: because she has to. She has to go out and

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00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 9: fly around a little bit too, uh you know, get

632
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Speaker 9: circulation going and all that. And the male will come

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Speaker 9: in and sit on the eggs also, so I'm really

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00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 9: and he'll he'll maintain temperatures for her because you can't

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Speaker 9: you certainly wouldn't be able to uh leave your eggs

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00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 9: uncovered for you know three hours, four hours, it would

637
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 9: they're they're gonna cool down enough where it's gonna slow

638
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 9: or stop the development uh completely, And if they go

639
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 9: too far low then then it'll kill the embryo inside.

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Speaker 3: Well, sorry, they have they have usually one egg or

641
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Speaker 3: a couple of eggs.

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00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 9: They can have upwards of four, depending on the age

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Speaker 9: of the female. Younger ones have fewer eggs, more mature

644
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 9: ones have more eggs. So the more experience that they have,

645
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 9: and I've noticed that with this one. I swear that

646
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 9: the first two years she only had one offspring, then

647
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 9: two years ago she had two, and last year she

648
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 9: had two. So I think she's getting better and better

649
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 9: at this, which is kind of typical in those situations.

650
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: Well, she will. The chicks mostly survive.

651
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 9: They have about a fifty mortality rate within the first

652
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 9: year of life. So most of the great horn owl

653
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 9: chicks will make it to fledging stage, meaning they're not

654
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 9: like for example, great blue herons. Great blue herons will

655
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 9: have and three four babies or sometimes even five, and

656
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 9: they the competition between the siblings. The youngest one almost

657
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 9: always never makes it out of the nest, and so

658
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 9: unlike that with the great horn owls, they all do

659
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 9: fairly well, it's after they've left the nest. For the

660
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 9: great horn owls leaving the nest do they have you know,

661
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 9: the mortellery goes up because of a variety of different reasons,

662
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 9: just being out of the nest.

663
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: The nest is a.

664
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 9: Safe spot guarded by the parents, you know, and foods

665
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 9: delivered to them and all that. So it's after they

666
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 9: leave that they start interacting with the world.

667
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: Then you have those issues.

668
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is stan maybe we should talk

669
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: a little bit about when the young leaves the nest

670
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: and they're on the ground for a short time. I

671
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: had a neighbor who was sure he was helping this

672
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: little bird and he put it in a dog all,

673
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: oh yeah, because he thought it had just fallen out

674
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: of the nest and couldn't go anywhere.

675
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 3: Well what kind of bird? It was a great horn owl?

676
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

677
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 9: So in those cases, they're what somebody would want to

678
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 9: do was use a pair of gloves. But you could,

679
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 9: you could if the bird is in any immediate danger

680
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 9: from dogs or cats or you know, a lawnmower or

681
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 9: something like that, and simply bring it to a tree

682
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 9: and help it, you know, up as high as you can.

683
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 9: It will take it from there and move up even higher.

684
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 9: Last year, I think I might have talked about this,

685
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 9: but I in early spring, I walked over to my

686
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 9: bird feeders with a bucket full of bird food. And

687
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 9: now I'm standing there just filling my bird feeders, and

688
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 9: I hear this clack clack clack clack, And I thought

689
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 9: to myself, huh, that sounds just like a young great

690
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 9: horn owl. And turned around and four feet behind me

691
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 9: was a baby great horn owl, its wings all out

692
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 9: clacking at me, you know, because.

693
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: He thought I was I didn't even see him, you know.

694
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 9: And I was like, oh, so because I pull out

695
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 9: my cell phone took some pictures of them. Uh.

696
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: But uh.

697
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 9: And I went back to feeding the you know, or

698
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 9: filling up the bird feeders, and and uh. And then

699
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 9: I found a second one that was sitting against the

700
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 9: base of a tree, uh in my yard.

701
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: Also.

702
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 9: So they they do spend time on the ground one uh,

703
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 9: sometimes two days, but if you can get them up

704
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 9: off the ground, their chances of survival is much higher.

705
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: And it's called what is that The term you used

706
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: was branching.

707
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, they'll come out of the nest and go out

708
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 9: on the branches, and that branching behavior is like they'll

709
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 9: sit out there and flap their wings to uh, you know,

710
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 9: build muscles and things like that, and then they'll uh

711
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 9: after that when they when they're completely out of the nest,

712
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 9: and they're called fledgling uh. So they fledged from the

713
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 9: nest and then they're on the ground uh and they're

714
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 9: usually moving around. They don't go back to the nest.

715
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 9: U People oftentimes kind of mistake this. It's like, oh,

716
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 9: this is their home, so they'll go back to it.

717
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 9: As soon as the babies are big enough, they're out

718
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 9: of the nest. They're not going back. That's all there

719
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 9: is to it. They're out in the world.

720
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: Well, moms still feed them.

721
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, they'll follow them around all summer. They all

722
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 9: spring all summer, and they'll they'll continue to feed them

723
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 9: for months afterwards, and then usually about September October they

724
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 9: start cutting them off. And that's when you hear all

725
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 9: the babies starting to really screech looking for their parents,

726
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 9: and the parents are like, look, we're tired and we're

727
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 9: done with this.

728
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Let's move on.

729
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 9: And then because by October, you know, November, they're starting

730
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 9: to look for partners again and starting to establish territories again.

731
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: So, though, does the pair stay together even when they're

732
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: younger out of the nest.

733
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, they typically have long pair long term pair bonds,

734
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 9: and these long term pair bonds can last for anywhere

735
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 9: from one season to multiple seasons. But the facts our

736
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 9: life for these animals is not easy, and there's many

737
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 9: many diseases, there's many hazards, and they lose partners on

738
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 9: a regular basis, and so then they will pick up

739
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 9: with another partner right away. There's no mourning period. They're

740
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 9: not people, you know, They simply you know, will the

741
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 9: need to reproduce outweighs everything else.

742
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: Interesting.

743
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: But then with the young young on the ground, will

744
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: they fly in a few days, In a couple of.

745
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: Days, usually on a couple of days, they'll start flying.

746
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 9: You may look at them and go, there's no chance

747
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 9: that this bird's going to be able to fly, and

748
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 9: you'll be wrong, because they can almost always do once

749
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 9: they're out of the nest. Like that, they are within

750
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 9: twenty four to forty eight hours of flying. But they

751
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 9: never look like it. They look terrible. They look like

752
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 9: a teenager.

753
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: You know, they're.

754
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 9: You know, feathers all over the place. Nothing's well formed.

755
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 9: You know, they don't have uh, they don't. They don't

756
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 9: really look like they have the ability to fly, but

757
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 9: you'd be surprised.

758
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: That looks like me in the morning. I don't fly,

759
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: but I just got to get off. That's it looks

760
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: kind of scary. My hair everywhere.

761
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, we have to take we have to take a break.

762
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: Stand can you stay? Yes, wonder wonderful. Let's do that

763
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: right now and we'll be back with part two of

764
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: mister stam Tequila after this, and you can you can

765
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: text Bob if you have questions or comments and you'll

766
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: get that. And I'm gonna look at the the owl cam.

767
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: Oh during the break, Instagram's nature smart. Okay, there we go.

768
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this.

769
00:47:48,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: Human We're back and outdoors with you until the eight

770
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: o'clock hour, and then keep it here because in the

771
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: zone follows us and four minutes after the hour, you

772
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: mean pack a.

773
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: Preview or who's your hot line? That's what a game

774
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: last night? As kicking? Yeah, sure was.

775
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: They were talking so smack too, Oregon was Anyway, Stan

776
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: Taquila is our guest Steppart two. We will go back

777
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: to Stan right now, Stan with the owls, will people

778
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: in their neighborhoods if there's an owl around that's nesting,

779
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: will they will there be a sign of that, a

780
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: sound or anything they can determine.

781
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 9: Typically you're gonna hear, like do it calling, So you'll

782
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 9: hear the male and the female calling back and forth

783
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 9: to each other. And typically one will be a low,

784
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 9: deep call shorter and the other will be higher and longer.

785
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 9: And this is the male and female calling back and forth.

786
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 9: And they typically do that this time of year when

787
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 9: they are establishing territories and such. And again they don't

788
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 9: make any nests. They don't like bring in sticks or

789
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 9: anything like that. So they're going to find an established

790
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 9: nest like a redtail hawk nest or a crow nest

791
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 9: or old or a squirrel nest. Squirrels make a dray nest.

792
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 9: These are these leaf nests, and they'll like right on

793
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 9: top of one of those, or a broken off stump

794
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 9: or you know a variety of different places. Anything is

795
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 9: flat that they can you know, balance an egg on

796
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 9: basically and do their incubation is where they're going to

797
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 9: do it.

798
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: And great horn owls.

799
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 9: Are usually not that picky when it comes to, you know,

800
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 9: different nesting spots like that.

801
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: Are they usually high in a tree.

802
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 9: They can be anywhere from ten to you know, forty

803
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 9: feet high.

804
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: I've seen them.

805
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 9: I've seen on cliffs of faces or cliff faces. I've

806
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 9: seen them on buildings in you know, in trees, all

807
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 9: sorts of different places, water towers out in the America

808
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 9: Southwest have seen them in you know, swirrel cactuses, and

809
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 9: all sorts of different places.

810
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: Later later in the year, I am, I'm sorry, later

811
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: in the year, I'll hear the who who who? And yeah,

812
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean and then they answer back and forth. But

813
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: I think those are bar dowls, aren't they?

814
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 4: No?

815
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: No, those are the great horns.

816
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 9: The great horns do the typical hoot, so they're gonna go,

817
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 9: you know, and they'll do a combination things like that.

818
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 9: The barn owls are a much higher of you know,

819
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 9: frequency or pitch, and it is they do the who.

820
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: Cooks for you? Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

821
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 9: If you've ever heard what sounds like a troop of

822
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 9: monkeys screaming in the trees, because that's literally what it

823
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 9: sounds like. Those are bar owls, uh, And they give

824
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 9: this call called the cattawall. And this catterwalling is just

825
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 9: amazing because it is it, like I said, like a

826
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 9: bunch of monkeys.

827
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: In the tree. And so those are bar dowvels.

828
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 9: The great horns are pretty uncreative when it comes to

829
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 9: the calls. Their typical hoots and they typically only you know,

830
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 9: it's usually five or seven calls and and they just

831
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 9: do it back and forth each other.

832
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: They don't get really kind of creative with their calls.

833
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, but when turkey hunting in the spring, I'll hear them,

834
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: and I think those are bar dowls because they're it's

835
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: who cooks for you?

836
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, And they do more than

837
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 9: who cooks for you. They do all sorts of different things.

838
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 9: They they have different combinations and things. They're much more

839
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 9: vocal than great horns.

840
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: So they nest at the same time they're gonna be.

841
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 9: Barnowvels are going to be after the great horns, so

842
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 9: a little bit later in the season, more towards April May,

843
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 9: and so they're not as extreme as the great horns nesting.

844
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 9: By the way, what's really interesting is that these great

845
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 9: horn owls are going to be nesting in places like

846
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 9: Arizona and Florida, same time of year, this early time year.

847
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 9: And I find that interesting that there's been no adjustment

848
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 9: for the winter weather, you know, here in the Northland.

849
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: And I find that fascinating. If I was on the stick,

850
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: I would have shocked gobbled when you guys were doing

851
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 3: all this owl colin normally this time of year, Stan,

852
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: we talk about sas zim Bogh. We're talking about owls.

853
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: Have you been up there? Are there owls that people

854
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: should check out? And for people I don't know, give

855
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: us a geographic pin dot and where that's at too?

856
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: Sounds X rated.

857
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 9: Sacks Zim Bog, Yeah, Sax hit the blue button. The

858
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 9: Saxon Bog is named after the former towns of sack Sax,

859
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 9: Minnesota and zim Zim, Minnesota. Those two towns are no

860
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 9: longer there and this area of land in between those

861
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 9: two former towns is now called the Saxon Bog. It's

862
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 9: called the bog because it is a low wetland area

863
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 9: with a lot of tamaracks and it's an acid bog

864
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 9: and black spruce forest. They so this is an area

865
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 9: that is uh not heavily inhabited and so therefore it's

866
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 9: a good for the wildlife, and it's known for its

867
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 9: uh uh well, it has resident owls, but then it

868
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 9: also has owls that kind of show up there in

869
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 9: the winter time and uh this year, just like you

870
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 9: guys were talking earlier about the cycles of the rough grouse,

871
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 9: the owls have cycles. Also in some years we get

872
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 9: interruption of owls and we see a lot of them

873
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 9: at the uh uh at the bog. Unfortunately this is

874
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 9: not one of those years. So uh there's uh uh

875
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 9: there's uh I believe only one hawk owl being reported

876
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 9: right now and one great grayalel so it's not much

877
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 9: is happening uh there, and the mad rush to be

878
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 9: there is uh kind of at the fever has come

879
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 9: down a bit, and but people are seeing snowy owls

880
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 9: at the MSP airport, if you remember. But I do

881
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 9: my Christmas bird count at MSP and the surrounding area

882
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 9: and saw three snowy owls at the airport including there's

883
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 9: one very nice adult male snowy owl there. They're pure white,

884
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 9: they don't the females have dark markings on them, and

885
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 9: the juveniles have dark markings on them, and the males

886
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 9: are smaller and have they're pure white in their plumage,

887
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 9: and so there they're fun to see and lots of

888
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 9: people are getting a chance to see them by going

889
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 9: down to the Cargo Road and there's a nice parking

890
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 9: area there you could park and look for these birds.

891
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 3: So there's a few of those. They will heading back north,

892
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: will I not?

893
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, they'll leave. They'll be here all which

894
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 9: are long, no doubt. They'll be here through January February,

895
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 9: and then they'll start heading out. Oftentimes though the airport,

896
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 9: those animals, those birds are trapped and relocated because they

897
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 9: represent a pretty significant hazard to you know, jets taken

898
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 9: off in landing. Uh, they get sucked into an engine

899
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 9: and there'll be a catastrophic uh results from that. So

900
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 9: you gotta uh, you know, you understand that. You know,

901
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 9: it's interesting that these snowy owls show up at airports.

902
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 9: It's not just here at MSP. It happens all across

903
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 9: the kind of the North and the Eastern States, uh,

904
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 9: you know, through Michigan into New York, all the way

905
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 9: over to Boston, and all of these airports experienced snowy

906
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 9: owls in the wintertime. The thing that really attracts them.

907
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 9: It kind of drives me a little bit, kind of

908
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 9: gets under my skin a little bit when people say, well,

909
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 9: it's because it looks like the tundra at the airport.

910
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 9: I've been to the tundrum ms airport. MSP Airport does

911
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 9: not look anything like the tundra, you know. I mean

912
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 9: you just go outside of town here and you can

913
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 9: find places that look like the tundra.

914
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 3: You know.

915
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 9: Uh, it's the food that is they're attracted to. They're

916
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 9: finding food there, and the food in the form of

917
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 9: small mammals, mice, folds, shrews. Uh, that's what they're going for.

918
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 9: They're not going to sit around and twiddle their feathers

919
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 9: waiting for food to show up, you know, going, God,

920
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 9: this looks like the tundra, so I think I'll stay here.

921
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 9: So therefore, you know, but there's no food. They're looking

922
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 9: for food and that's their main drive. And so there's

923
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 9: there's plenty of food there and that's that's why we

924
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 9: see them in those locations.

925
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 2: It's really no different than a lot of things stand fishing,

926
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: especially we we we think we're so smart and need

927
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: basically it's just following the food.

928
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: Food.

929
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, food, sleep, yea reproduce that we're all good.

930
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: Then we're all done.

931
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: We're going to have to say goodbye for today, but

932
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: thank you so much.

933
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem. Can I mentioned today of course?

934
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 9: Uh clock, I will be at the wild Birds Unlimited

935
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 9: in Woodbury, Minnesota. I'm giving a talk on bird migration

936
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 9: at eleven o'clock. It's free, open to the public. People

937
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 9: can show up. It's what is it eighty three ninety

938
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 9: Tamarak Village in Woodbury. It's the wild Birds Unlimited. And

939
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 9: so I'll hopefully see people there at eleven o'clock today.

940
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: That sounds like a good activity and a great pastime

941
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: for a kind of a crummy day.

942
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: So far, they have your books on sale at that story.

943
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: They do cool.

944
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 9: They'll have They'll have my books too. I'll have any

945
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 9: books that they don't have. I'll bring along my books

946
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 9: and so we can meet out in the parking lot

947
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 9: and huddle.

948
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 3: Like a drug deal.

949
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 9: Like a drug deal in a parking lot, and.

950
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm used to it. They discounted and you get a

951
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 3: little package deal you have previously read. Come on over

952
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: and look in my trunk.

953
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 9: Woodberry today parking lot. Yeah, I was gonna make a

954
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 9: comment about ice, but I better not.

955
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's.

956
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, thank you sir. We'll talk to Barry

957
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: Woodberry eleven o'clock. See that that's Stan Tequila. Find him

958
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: at nature smart dot com and the cameras. Check them out.

959
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: You're going to be amazed. It's they're they're really really.

960
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: Cool, especially the flying squirrels on They are so cool

961
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: and you can you can feed them yourself and see

962
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: your own. It doesn't take hardly anything but peanuts, unsalted

963
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: peanuts and a little platform out of the edge tree.

964
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

965
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: Stan is on Instagram and it's Stan Underscore Tequila. And

966
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: that's t E K I E l A. And you'll

967
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: find all his cameras. Maybe he'll have videotape his drug

968
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: deal later today. We're just kidding, okay kidding, it's just

969
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: we're just having fun.

970
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: We'll take a pause and be back with more after this.

971
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: We are back twenty minutes after the hour of seven o'clock.

972
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: It's Tackle Terry time Tackle. Good morning, sir, how are you?

973
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 5: And good thank you, Bill, and good morning to you,

974
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 5: and good morning.

975
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: Everyone in fishing.

976
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 5: Yes, I have the event have been and we've got

977
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 5: about twelve to fourteen into device on them.

978
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: Were you driving out of it?

979
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, yes, but we got some major changes coming

980
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 5: in with weather. I just looked it up and forty

981
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 5: five degrees here next week. I know that's exactly right,

982
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 5: so you know, and there's no snow cover. In fact,

983
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 5: lakes are unbelievably slippery, to the point where I think

984
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 5: you could use ice skates and skate around the whole lake.

985
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 5: South Metro boat sunfish and crappies, but just sort of

986
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 5: an unbelievable different bite. Uh and one lake a lot

987
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: of fishing pressure one lake very minimal. But it's just

988
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 5: amazing how finicky these fish are. I cannot believe that

989
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: they can be such tough biers, you know, just just

990
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 5: a lot of patients, a lot of confidence, and and

991
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 5: you what I've really done the other day was I

992
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 5: bring that fish up by only using a dead stick approach,

993
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 5: but they would not take it. So I bring them

994
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 5: up about two feet off the bottom and then I

995
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 5: would just sort of minor movement of the rod tip

996
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 5: and then I would get the fish to bite. But

997
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 5: it was just unbelievable how tough they were.

998
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: What do you use it for to fish, Terry.

999
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 5: I'm using small jigs, and then generally speaking, I do

1000
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 5: not have wax ones that are just not productive. Uh,

1001
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 5: And I haven't used wax ones for I do take

1002
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 5: them with me, but just in case, but they're just

1003
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: not the greatest bait anymore. So I've been using wigglers

1004
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: what call your library the red and the white ones.

1005
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: And do you ever as far as the tackle on

1006
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: the end of your line, do you think if you

1007
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: go really really tiny it helps.

1008
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: Yes, I do, there's no question, even with the jigs

1009
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 5: one thirty second ounce in size wise tongues and of course,

1010
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 5: but yes, it definitely does help. I think it's such

1011
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 5: a big factor. But along with that bill is you know, concentration.

1012
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 5: That rod tip would basically never move. I watched the

1013
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 5: vex slaughter and then when that red band and the

1014
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 5: blob band would sort of become one, then I would

1015
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 5: set the hook and the fish was on. But it

1016
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 5: was just unbelievable by it. And that's not really unusual.

1017
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 5: But I think with the weather and the fishing pressure,

1018
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 5: that's what's really affecting these fish.

1019
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 3: Are you fishing in an area that has a lot

1020
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: of pressure.

1021
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 5: Yes, I am, well, I try to stay away from

1022
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 5: a lot of the fish hous and wheelhouses. But I

1023
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 5: so I tried to avoid all that noise and so forth.

1024
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 5: But yes, I do try to stay away at least

1025
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 5: to the outside edges or if there's a lot of wheelhouses,

1026
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 5: I'll just go some words where the people are not fishing,

1027
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 5: and that is a big ingredient.

1028
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: Well, so some places there is nothing too. I mean,

1029
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: there's no reason for fish to be there, and they aren't.

1030
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: But how do you decide where you're going to go

1031
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: away from people?

1032
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 5: But generally speaking, I, you know, use the uh and

1033
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought that up. But I've cut a

1034
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 5: couple of holes and then drop the neck, start down

1035
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 5: and then wait to see if I had mark fish.

1036
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 5: And that is one factor that I think we really

1037
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 5: need to relate to, is that when you drop that

1038
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 5: transducer down, don't just drop it down and wait one minute. Wait.

1039
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 5: Sometimes I had wait up to five minutes the furrows

1040
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 5: fish would come through and that was a big, big factor.

1041
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 5: Then if I'd mark a fish or two, then I

1042
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 5: will stay put. But I would generally speaking looking for

1043
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 5: you know, different types of structure like off a brake line,

1044
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 5: on inside turn or anything of that or something where

1045
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 5: or even I caught some fish on a big flat

1046
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 5: so that with a hard bottom, so that was another factor.

1047
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 5: But again to no food, no fish.

1048
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: Well, if you've got ice that's clean, with clear ice,

1049
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: there should be weeds growing, isn't there, Terry.

1050
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are there are is, but I haven't found

1051
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 5: in the weeds a bill uh And here too. It's

1052
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 5: probably the areas that I'm fishing, but one of the lakes,

1053
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 5: they treat the lake quite heavily for weeds, and in

1054
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 5: the summertime or in the spring, and I think that's

1055
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 5: a big factor. But these fish are randomly roaming on

1056
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 5: some of these bodies of water, you know, and you

1057
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 5: and I talked about this before, but you know you

1058
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 5: kind of hole or start to fish across a couple

1059
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 5: of fish. Then we have this tendency to hole, hop, move, move, move.

1060
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 5: And I really found over a few years of fishing

1061
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 5: that if you found some fish, many times that was

1062
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 5: the case here the other day again they would not

1063
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 5: come through. Then all of a sudden they would come through,

1064
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: and then they would not come the through. And I

1065
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 5: think that jigging action, the colors were all factors in

1066
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 5: attracting these fish. Into that area.

1067
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: With the globe baits, and a lot of them will

1068
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 2: glow and you can zap them with light.

1069
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 3: Do you think they make a difference.

1070
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 5: Only in I said, dark water, maybe a lot of

1071
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 5: snow covered milky ice and at night. I've done a

1072
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 5: lot of experiment with glow, and yes, there are certain

1073
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 5: time frames that it is going to help and going

1074
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 5: to work. But there's so much emphasis on glow today

1075
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 5: too that sometimes I really believe that these fish get

1076
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 5: a little conditioned to glow and you're best off. Not

1077
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 5: too usual, but it's really what it amounts to I

1078
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 5: think is the color and the type of bait. Now,

1079
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 5: with the Urlibry wigglers, it was the red and white

1080
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 5: ones that were productive. One would not even entice the fish.

1081
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 5: I had to put two on and journey speaking. It

1082
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 5: was the red one and a white one together and three.

1083
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 5: It did not interest the fish at Also, the fish

1084
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 5: get so finicky. That's why we just we have a

1085
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 5: lot of patience to catch these fish that we can

1086
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 5: catch them.

1087
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: Well, do you think that they see color, Terry.

1088
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 5: Oh, yes I do. I don't think any question about it.

1089
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 5: They really do recognize color. I know some studies were

1090
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 5: done about how fish can distinguish color, and many, many

1091
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 5: times it's something that we start forget about. But first

1092
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 5: we have to figure out, you know, what's going to

1093
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 5: do and what's going to entice these fish, and then

1094
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,479
Speaker 5: fine tune with color. I don't think there's any any

1095
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 5: question that color is definitely a factor in catching fish.

1096
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: So what do you think the best sunfish are? Best

1097
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: baits for sunfish if people are going to go out

1098
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: usually if you're going to walk out and it doesn't

1099
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: sound like you have to skate what or skate out? Yeah?

1100
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 5: Skateboard porting your fish outs? All right?

1101
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, what do you think the best ones if

1102
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: people are going to pack a little tackle box that

1103
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: you've got to go out.

1104
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 5: Well, I think most the emphasis always wax front bill

1105
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 5: and I really found over a few years efficient, even

1106
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 5: talking to fellow anglers, wax when they are just not

1107
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 5: that productive generally speaking, it's gonna you know, the urarvy

1108
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 5: the or wigglers, whatever you want to title them. That is,

1109
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 5: get red and the whites and then do something experimenting

1110
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 5: with one, two or three alternating colors, or put a

1111
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 5: red and a white one that by far the best

1112
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 5: for both crappies and sunfish.

1113
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: But if you're tying tying on the end of your line,

1114
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: if going small, is that going to be a detriment.

1115
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 5: No, generally speaking, if you go small, especially I you've

1116
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,439
Speaker 5: got a tough bite, then you want to go as

1117
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 5: small as you can. It's really when you got a

1118
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 5: tough bite, small, slow and subtle and but there, if

1119
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 5: you're not catching any fish, then up in size of somewhat,

1120
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 5: you know, maybe a bait with a little thicker phone

1121
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 5: on the end of it, something that's going to attract

1122
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 5: these fish into that hole. Maybe even consider a rattle

1123
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 5: something of that sort. There here again too, we have

1124
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 5: to attract those fish into that hole. And we can

1125
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 5: do that. You know, if you find a good location

1126
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 5: and you caught a couple of fish, do not pack

1127
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 5: up and leave. I just work with a couple of

1128
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 5: different baits, a couple of different lures, and our main

1129
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 5: goal again is to attract those fish into that hole.

1130
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 5: And you know, I've seen another angler the other day

1131
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 5: out and he must have drilled at least eight to

1132
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 5: nine holes, And you know what we're doing in a

1133
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 5: one area and what we're doing then, first of all,

1134
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 5: I think we're drilling holes instead of catching fish. You know,

1135
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 5: we're trying to do too much hole hopping, and then

1136
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 5: to all the noise. It's a big factor, this noise,

1137
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 5: especially with the amount of fishing pressure. How it affects

1138
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 5: these fish today.

1139
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: Well, what about a whole hopens? Fine, But oftentimes you

1140
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: get a fresh hole, or you drill a freshole, you

1141
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 3: drop down, you catch fish right away, especially if you

1142
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 3: drop your electronics, my hummingbird stuff.

1143
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 2: If I if I look at it freshole, I can

1144
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: see them down there, drop down, They're gonna bite. And

1145
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: then it gets really tough until I moved to a

1146
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: different place and I'll see some fish down there, drop

1147
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 2: it down and catch them, or catch.

1148
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 3: One and then move again.

1149
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: But there are there are times so you get a

1150
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: fresh hole and there are fish down there. If you

1151
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: see them and you can they'll bite.

1152
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yeah there, I think there's no question about it. Yes,

1153
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 5: and you know that's fine with it with the whole hopping.

1154
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 5: But I think two that we waste so much time

1155
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 5: hole hoppy. Now, yes, we you know if you're not

1156
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 5: say you're fishing a hole and you catch a couple

1157
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 5: of fish and then you're just not getting the fish

1158
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 5: to come back into the hole, we have to move bill.

1159
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 5: But there too is you know, let's not move so

1160
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 5: much that it's causing us fish. It's so many times

1161
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 5: that sunfish and crappies too will come in through in waves.

1162
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 5: And by moving constantly, I think we're really affecting that

1163
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 5: we're catching by just all this move all the time.

1164
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 5: But here too, you know. And two when we're moving

1165
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 5: a lot, you know is one is I think the

1166
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 5: depth of the lake that we're fishing as a factor.

1167
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 5: Also too, is that we have to understand how these

1168
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 5: fish are reacting to our baits and our lords. And

1169
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 5: generally speaking, most of the time frames I've been out

1170
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 5: this winter, it's been pretty much a tougher bite, and

1171
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 5: again that's due to weather condition and fishing pressure.

1172
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 4: People the day.

1173
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 3: People refer to tight lining, Terry, what is it?

1174
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 5: Well, tight lining is really and that's what I'm using

1175
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 5: a lot. The good question is tight lining is really

1176
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 5: for tough bye crappies and sunfish. I guess we could

1177
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 5: relate it to walleyes too. Is basic depths take approach,

1178
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 5: but not using a barber system, and it's just centering

1179
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 5: that line in the hold itself and then just you know,

1180
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 5: having tension on that line and then just not jigging whatsoever.

1181
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 5: It's just watching for a line movement. And that line

1182
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 5: movement can be just a flicker, it can be just

1183
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 5: maybe a little bit of a slacken the line. It

1184
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 5: can be something that's so minimal in seeing it. And

1185
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 5: what I tell people is to if you have an

1186
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 5: issue with watching that line, put a slip bobber not

1187
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 5: on it for not only depth setting, but also to

1188
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 5: watching for that movement. These fish will bite so light

1189
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 5: it's literally unbelievable. Man. If you don't pay attention to that,

1190
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 5: it's going to really result. And by the way, too,

1191
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 5: is that you know you can tell that the big

1192
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,520
Speaker 5: sunfish or a small sunfish. If it's a bigger sunfish

1193
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 5: or your rock tip been down a real real slow

1194
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 5: and then or if it's spring bobber will go down

1195
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 5: real slow and stays bending. And if it's a smaller fish,

1196
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 5: what happens is that you're going to see that spring

1197
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 5: bobber or that rock they've just sort of vibrated, if

1198
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 5: you will, where it's not going to be bending down.

1199
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 5: That's an indication of the size of the.

1200
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: Fish, wonderful tackle. Are you a fish today?

1201
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 5: No, I've not got another commitment, but we'll be back

1202
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 5: on the ice providing this. Whether does it get that warm?

1203
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? I hear that. I hear what commitment to you?

1204
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: Are you doing a book signing in Woodbury with Stan? Perhaps?

1205
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 9: No, I'm not.

1206
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 5: No, I'm not. Dan is doing something a little bit

1207
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 5: different than I.

1208
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: All right, well, good luck when you get back out

1209
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 3: of the ice, they tackle.

1210
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 5: Well, thank you guys, and you take care and everybody

1211
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 5: go ice fishing. But you a little caution right now?

1212
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, good thought. Thanks Terry tackle. Terry joins us

1213
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 3: every other week.

1214
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 2: And now he's going to a commitment and then fishing.

1215
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: So we'll be back with one more segment after this

1216
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: and last segment for today. Well that's for Brett.

1217
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh we all know by now we know

1218
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 3: last segment. Yeah, it is the last segment. You can

1219
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 3: tell a battle music. Well, yes, you're a creature of

1220
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 3: habit of nothing else I am. And that's okay, now

1221
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 3: I know.

1222
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 4: I know.

1223
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 3: So I forgot my habits or forget I'll goes the

1224
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: heck in a hang basket. You know what? Can you

1225
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: give us a ski report? No, No, you could give

1226
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: us a ski report to just put your take your

1227
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: camera along and this icy conditions. You'll get what you want.

1228
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 3: What's the more infamous report? The ski report or the

1229
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: tree route report? Infamous? They are? Oh boy, yeah, memory.

1230
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 3: And I've got the inflatable beer pond table. We've all

1231
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 3: got it.

1232
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: We're going to have to play that again because I

1233
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: was hilarious. And then we've got the shanties with the fishhouses.

1234
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 3: That's a great one. We all know what chanties leads

1235
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 3: to prostitution. That's right? That is that that we should

1236
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 3: dial that one up for next next week. Here's about

1237
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 3: time we played shanty prostitution.

1238
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: Hey, it's this time of year or two, because I'm

1239
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: reading from the Department Natural Resources that come February, mid

1240
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 2: February is a deadline for applying for turkey licenses. And

1241
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: a few couple of the two or three of the

1242
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: areas I know, Carlos Avery is one of my belief.

1243
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 3: In Whitewater and other ones the lacks. But all of

1244
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 3: a sudden we'll be thinking turkeys too. When I was

1245
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 3: out of the cabin a couple of weeks ago, I'm

1246
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: surprised there are two well worn down deer.

1247
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: Trails right through the art and they're going from north

1248
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: to south or south to north whatever, And it could

1249
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 2: be just a couple of deer make and you know,

1250
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 2: roll them through, but they're pretty worn. And I just

1251
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: I'm surprised at that because I've never seen that. All

1252
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 2: the years I've been out there, I have never ever

1253
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: seen that. Although it is very desolate out there, it

1254
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 2: looks like it's you've.

1255
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 3: Never seen deer trail through the cabin in the winter, huh,

1256
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 3: never have must be some all those acorns that got

1257
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: knocked down. It could be there's finding a lot of corns.

1258
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of acorns. Well, there's a

1259
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: pick cornfield too, it's just down ways on the other

1260
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:23,919
Speaker 2: side of the road.

1261
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 3: That they could be into. But when we learned food reproduction, yeah,

1262
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,879
Speaker 3: and what was the third thing? Nesting?

1263
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: Nesting reproduce and have place and safety too. But I

1264
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: think safety fits in with the grouse that they were

1265
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: talking about. But I do hope that people I know

1266
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 2: there's a few people that did, with our encouraging encouragement

1267
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 2: to went and tried out turkey hunting. But it's for

1268
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: this time of year to look forward to turkey hunting.

1269
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 2: It got timed, probably learn to use a mouse call,

1270
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: which I have never done.

1271
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm terrible at it. But turkey hunting, I was thinking

1272
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 3: that I hadn't done it consistently, like every three four

1273
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 3: years I'd come up in turkey hunt with you. Then

1274
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: COVID hit and for whatever reason, that kicked me back

1275
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 3: into just you know, every year since I've been turkey hunting,

1276
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: and it's very thrilling. I absolutely love turkey hunting. Yeah,

1277
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 3: I just love it. I would say I like it,

1278
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: I love call, I really love the dog comparing it.

1279
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 3: But there's very few alternatives in the spring, and I

1280
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 3: probably say I like it rather than love it because

1281
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: of the early early morning. But you don't dibide by that.

1282
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 3: I don't you. You're a cheer. You wake up, you'd

1283
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 3: kind of yeah, eight thirty, nine o'clock, we're only in

1284
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: the field about ten shoot a bird about ten thirty,

1285
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 3: Like the rest of us can't play that game.

1286
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I just that I had missed two

1287
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: years ago, but then I've been. It's been every year

1288
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: for a number of years, and this last year didn't

1289
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: take long at all. Although you had put one BB

1290
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Speaker 2: in it. But yeah, he came right right down the pike.

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01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 2: But it's not always in the same place, and it was.

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: It's I really like the interaction sometimes. I love the

1293
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 2: surprise because the bird last year, where'd he come from? Yeah,

1294
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 2: and I didn't know that were even I wouldn't know.

1295
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 2: I was that close to the decoy and they were

1296
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 2: just there was some tall grass in front of me.

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01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: And he came around a wood, a spot of woods,

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01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 2: and I could see the head through the There are

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: no true leaves on the trees.

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01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 3: I could see him walking through there. And if you

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01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 3: see them, oh my heart just starts deer hunting goodness

1302
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 3: and yeah, but no, it's a it's a hoot. I

1303
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 3: really enjoy that. I guess I enjoy nature too.

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01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: When you're turkey hunting, it's it's a unique opportunity to

1305
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: get out in the in the wilds in the spring

1306
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: because so much is happening. Yeah, as far as the

1307
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: geese flying, and the pheasants and everything moving around. You'll

1308
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: have a fox go through and just the quietest, stillest

1309
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: dear the same way, don't make a bit of noise

1310
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like a ghost.

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 3: So it's you. It's still relevant to look back and

1312
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 3: think about your high points at twenty five. What with

1313
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,959
Speaker 3: turkey hunting your favorite component at twenty five or what

1314
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: jumps to your mind is as.

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 2: Far as hunting goes. A couple of them that really

1316
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: come to mind. What was the opening weekend when I

1317
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: uh breedd so well?

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01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: The opening morning double from the Captain? Yeah, and that

1319
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 3: was fun. But Brie, she's she grew a lot this

1320
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 3: spring this fall and that was really exciting for me.

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01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 2: That was exciting for me to watch, and that was fun.

1322
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: And the opportunity to go turkey hunting with my oldest

1323
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: son was a It was a real hoot too. And

1324
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 2: you kind of needed him to recover the bird too. Well,

1325
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: the bird killed the bird. He didn't have a gun,

1326
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: he had already shot his.

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and helped you carry it out of the field

1328
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 3: so you you didn't have to take a selfie carry

1329
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 3: And I've still got that on my camera too, And

1330
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 3: I am a pathetic looking human. For me, I didn't

1331
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 3: know if I'd make it or not. It was awful.

1332
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 3: It was so far away. What was your fishing high

1333
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 3: point of last year? I had two of them.

1334
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: One it was awesome because Eric and I had been

1335
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 2: looking for sunfish for Jack and Ava, my grandkids, and.

1336
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: Who were Jack last year was five and Ava was.

1337
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 2: Three or even not quite three, but we did we

1338
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: found some fish and went over there and they cast

1339
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: it out, or I think Eric helped Ava and I

1340
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: helped Jack. But then they're watching the bobber, and the

1341
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: bober went down and till Jackie bitter set the hook,

1342
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: just leaned back on a little bit and started reeling,

1343
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: and he was so excited.

1344
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, baby, baby, get I was so excited.

1345
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,839
Speaker 2: Then he was going to swing it into the pondtoon

1346
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: he slapped it right on the side of the boat

1347
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: and then just to see how proud and excited he was.

1348
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 2: And the other I've said this before was I took

1349
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 2: Denny Fletcher. He came with me and we ended up fishing.

1350
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: He had all this beautiful live bait and he said,

1351
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: what are we going to do? I said, looks like

1352
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: you're fishing live bait. He said, what are you going

1353
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: to fish?

1354
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 3: I said, I let's throw a crank bait.

1355
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: And we got up and to a place that I

1356
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 2: had been catching fish and he says, I've never done this.

1357
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with this. I have

1358
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 2: no idea. I said, it's not rocket science, my friend.

1359
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: He just cast it out, reel it in, twitch it

1360
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,520
Speaker 2: once in a while, and pause it. Whatever the fish want,

1361
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: and when they bite, it's just going to be something

1362
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: grabbing it.

1363
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 3: Don't don't set the hawk real hard to sweep back

1364
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 3: on it.

1365
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 2: And remember you've got four pound pea line on it.

1366
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 2: Four pound, and all my reels have four pound p

1367
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 2: line floral clear. And it wasn't too long. And I'm

1368
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: in the front of the boat. He's in the back

1369
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: in the chair up on the deck and he says,

1370
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: I got one.

1371
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, But he says I got one. And I said, okay,

1372
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 3: take your time, take your time, and he talks to himself.

1373
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 3: And he caught that one and he was pretty even

1374
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 3: nice fish. Soon after he caught another and another and

1375
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 3: they were good fish. And I told him when we left,

1376
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 3: I have.

1377
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: To be back in a couple hours because I'm going

1378
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: out for dinner with some friends. And I said, Danny,

1379
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: we gotta go.

1380
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 3: I don't want to go. I'm having way too much fun.

1381
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 3: And it was fun.

1382
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't think I caught much at all, but I

1383
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: didn't need at some point when, at some point of

1384
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: age and time, you don't have to catch him. If

1385
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: you're taking somebody, unless it's you, then I got to

1386
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 2: catch him. But it's more fun to see somebody come

1387
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: up and experience the same thrill.

1388
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 3: That that we have.

1389
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the things that fishing

1390
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 2: does for me anyway, maybe not for everybody, but the

1391
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: thrill of catching, and it's not so much that it's

1392
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 2: a thrill of finding. And we have the forward facing sonar,

1393
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: but I don't have my boat. Eric does, and I

1394
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 2: really enjoy it, but.

1395
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 3: I have an anchor. Sorry to cut off his train.

1396
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the last time I've had an anchor.

1397
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 2: Tontoon has got one. But no, they just take such

1398
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: a mess out of my boats. It doesn't feel like

1399
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm cheating. No, you just fling that out there and

1400
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't throw it. I mean, you don't want to

1401
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: make a splash with your anchor. You slip it into

1402
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 2: the water. You don't want to scare the fish. There

1403
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 2: were three guys that were fishing. They had it was

1404
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: a regular fishing boat, an older one, aluminum, I believe,

1405
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: and I think they had come out of the come

1406
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: right out of the bayou, and they got they were

1407
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 2: too far from us, and man, one of the guys

1408
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: in the front.

1409
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: Flung the anchor out there. The other guy in the

1410
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 3: back threw it out, another one out Curtam Billy Turnham.

1411
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 2: Oh, and then there was a real funny odor coming

1412
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 2: from the wind.

1413
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: Was blowing toward wacky tobacco. Yeah.

1414
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: I think so, because uh, they they had a good time. Yeah,

1415
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: and to each his own. Everybody fishes for a different reasons.

1416
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 2: Not me, nothing like that. We should say that, sound.

1417
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 3: Like not me? But anyway, how about you? How about me?

1418
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 3: What's what's your favorite favorite moment to last year? I

1419
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 3: would saying, so, I've got some hunting ones that come

1420
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 3: to buy. One that comes to mind with Mary and

1421
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 3: I in July, we were on a hike and just

1422
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 3: hit the mother load of Chantrell mushrooms. And it's funny

1423
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 3: and you, I know you feel this too when you

1424
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 3: found overre ELL's right, and you feel find them on

1425
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 3: and you I get in such a frenzy to pick

1426
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 3: them as quickly as possible. They're mushrooms are going, they

1427
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 3: are going anywhere. But I'm so excited and I hit

1428
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 3: this mother load and they're probably fifty sketch. It was

1429
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 3: gold everywhere, and I got my little mushroom knife out

1430
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 3: in my bag and just hyperventilating. I'm so excited picking

1431
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 3: them shoes. Somebody's gonna come across us and find the

1432
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 3: spot they're gonna get away. But that was, you know,

1433
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 3: over one weekend in July, we just found a ton

1434
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 3: of Chantelle's and that was that was fabulous. Then I

1435
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 3: guess it was in late October, just me and the

1436
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 3: dogs out by myself, rough Grouse, Woodcock and Pheasant on

1437
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 3: one walk and that was that was pretty awesome, pretty fan. Yeah, yeah, no,

1438
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: we got twenty twenty six. I'm looking forward to it.

1439
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 3: We're here, I am.

1440
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you to our guests, also

1441
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 2: the game Stolen for joining us and he will be

1442
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:54,600
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1443
01:27:54,720 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: Tackle Terry Gold Fishing, and thank you for allowing and

1444
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: I and Brett to join you this morning and to

1445
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: travel with you. For Bob Saint Pierre, my very good friend.

1446
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 3: For Brett Blakemore, our executive producer, does a fabulous job.

1447
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 3: I'm Billy Hildebrand. Have a wonderful weekend everybody until next

1448
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Saturday morning, I will leave you with a Tata