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Speaker 2: Do you want answers?

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Speaker 1: I think I'm entitled.

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Speaker 3: You want answer the truth?

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Speaker 4: You can't handle the truth?

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Speaker 3: Truth, the truth.

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Speaker 2: Happy Holidays, everybody. My name is Mike Petralia. You know

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Speaker 2: me better on social media and maybe if you're a

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Speaker 2: close personal friend by the name Trags. I am in

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Speaker 2: tonight for the one and only Lance McAllister. And this

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Speaker 2: is the RNL Carrier's sports talk program presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 2: Chevrolet here on news radio seven hundred WLW. As I

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Speaker 2: tweeted out this afternoon, it's been a week. It's been

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Speaker 2: a week of ups and downs, psychoanalysis, back and forth,

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Speaker 2: trying to read the personalities not only of a famous

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Speaker 2: franchise quarterback, but the coaching staff, the very quiet front

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Speaker 2: office and ownership group of one Cincinnati Bengals franchise. And

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Speaker 2: we've actually probably been doing I say, one week, it's

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Speaker 2: probably been the last two to three weeks. Trying to

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Speaker 2: read body language is a dangerous business to begin with.

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Speaker 2: Trying to do it in the NFL in this particular

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Speaker 2: town is another challenge altogether. And we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 2: lot about the Cincinnati Bengals. Of course, they have been

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Speaker 2: eliminated at four and ten on the season. They have

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Speaker 2: to finish out the string, and that string begins in

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Speaker 2: the heat this Sunday at one o'clock here on seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW, Dan Horde and Dave Lapham on the call,

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Speaker 2: of course, Bengals four and ten taking on the six

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Speaker 2: and eight Miami Dolphins, another team that is playing out

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Speaker 2: the string. They were eliminated with their loss in the

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Speaker 2: Frozen Conditions in Pittsburgh on Monday night. We'll also talk

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reds. What moves should they be making going

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Speaker 2: forward this winter? Of course, they miss out on Kyle Schwarber,

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Speaker 2: the hometown kid, of course from Middletown, and their biggest

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Speaker 2: move so far is to sign a lefty reliever by

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Speaker 2: the name of Caleb Ferguson. We'll be talking with Pat

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Speaker 2: Brennan of the Cincinnati Inquirer in the seven o'clock hour

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Speaker 2: about that. The college football playoffs begin tonight. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: for this game because actually someone covering the Bengals this morning,

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Speaker 2: I was inside the practice structure this morning and somebody

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Speaker 2: asked me, who do you got tonight? Alabama or Oklahoma?

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Speaker 2: My instinct was to start off Alabama, just because I

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Speaker 2: haven't taken Oklahoma seriously. But how can you take Alabama

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Speaker 2: seriously coming off that hideous shutout loss to Georgia in

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Speaker 2: the SEC Championship. Certainly I reconsidered on the spot and

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Speaker 2: then said, well, the game's at Oklahoma. I think Oklahoma's

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Speaker 2: just a more consistent team. So I went with Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: But the DFP begins tonight in Oklahoma with Alabama visiting

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Speaker 2: the Sooners. Tomorrow, there are three games the other quarterfinals.

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Speaker 2: Number ten Miami at number seven Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: That's at noon. Number eleven Tulane visits number six Ole Miss.

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Speaker 2: That's a fascinating backyard rivalry down south. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 2: to that. That's at three point thirty PM. And then

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Speaker 2: the nightcap at seven thirty Eastern time. Number twelve James

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Speaker 2: Madison at number five Oregon. Three or four years ago,

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Speaker 2: James Madison was in the College Championship Series. They weren't

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Speaker 2: even in the Division one Bowl Championship Bowl playoff series.

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Speaker 2: They were in what was otherwise known as Division one

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Speaker 2: Double A back in the day. But James Madison, they

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Speaker 2: put their big boy pants on and they are now

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Speaker 2: playing in the college football playoffs, So those are the

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Speaker 2: four games between tonight and tomorrow. It is time he

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Speaker 2: is held online long enough. It is time to get

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Speaker 2: to our first guest. And you know this guest from

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Speaker 2: my work on the Jungle War Bengals postgame podcast because

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Speaker 2: he's my co host on the Jungle War Bengals postgame

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Speaker 2: podcast after each and every Bengals game. His name is

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Speaker 2: Richard Skinner of Local twelve and Local twelve dot com Skinny.

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Speaker 2: I guess we can call this an extension of our podcast.

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Speaker 2: Why not. I'm in charge of this. Sure, let's talk Bengals.

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Speaker 2: That's why I brought you on. I guess we're going

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Speaker 2: to start with all of the psychoanalysis that's been going on.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are a lot of fans are

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Speaker 2: trying to read and interpret what Joe Burrow is saying,

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Speaker 2: with Jamar Chase is saying, Zach Taylor is saying, not

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Speaker 5: We I think the Bill's loss broke Joe Burrow. Doesn't

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Speaker 5: Like he worked so hard to come back. They had

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Speaker 5: he was culpable in Buffalo, but he wasn't entirely culpable.

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Speaker 5: The defense was awful when it needed to not be awful.

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Speaker 5: And I think at that point he just it just

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Speaker 5: and I still put up thirty points. Yeah he threw

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Speaker 5: at that point it was like I'm broken, and that's

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Speaker 5: understandable to some degree. I think the whole surgery, rehab, recovery,

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Speaker 5: I broke a couple of ebows. I haven't handed gut.

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Speaker 5: I didn't need surgery for you, the one to have

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Speaker 5: me risked. You know, all the things he's gone through now,

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Speaker 5: a lot. And he's tried to come back quickly every

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Speaker 5: and he talked it into fruition last Wednesday. He sure

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Speaker 5: played like it this past Sunday. Still don't think he's

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Speaker 5: kind of taking a deep breast getting himself back together,

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Speaker 5: kind of feeling like, all right, let's just finish this

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Speaker 2: You know, Skinny, I think he uh the former. I

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Speaker 2: I both know, and I think every fan that has

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Speaker 2: thinks a lot. There's a lot of thoughts going on internally,

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Speaker 2: they kind of sometimes come out muddled, which I think

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Speaker 2: next year. No, he pretty much answered that out of hand,

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Speaker 2: the future, he was much more vague, And I think

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Speaker 2: I think, honestly, he thinks, well, if it doesn't work

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Speaker 2: anything could possibly happen. Look at Micah Parsons. He brought

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Speaker 2: un prompted. He brought that example up about what happened

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year. He's very well aware

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Speaker 2: all of that, right, skinny.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah. I don't think this was him talking

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Speaker 5: you can only do so much, and at some point

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Speaker 5: you reached the breaking point of you know what, I've

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Speaker 5: think that was the message of last week of Hey,

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think this week was more of yeah,

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Speaker 5: I want to I want I want this to work here.

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Speaker 5: But if it's gonna keep spinning its wheels and not work, well,

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Speaker 5: then I'll let it work somewhere else and we'll see

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Speaker 5: where that goes. I mean, he's under contracted twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 5: They can franchise tag him multiple times. After that. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's there's a way that that keeps him in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 5: And I think that's that's the crux of this mic

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Speaker 5: As the post too status quo, well, and that's where

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they think they know how to fix it.

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Speaker 2: The status quo part of this skinny is the modus

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Speaker 2: think I wrote for sil insinsi dot com there's you

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Speaker 2: know those six free agents that really redefine the defense.

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Speaker 2: Well they're going to try and do that again this year.

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Speaker 2: And they're going to try. There are places, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor spoke this morning about with us down at

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Speaker 2: Pays about how the defense can be remade. There are

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Speaker 2: bring in veteran pieces. The people who are bringing in

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Speaker 2: those pieces aren't gonna change. But I think the Bengals

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Speaker 2: the change that the Bengals need, not who's bringing them in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I go back to this and that's and

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Speaker 5: that's fine, and I believe that's gonna happen too, because

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be enough cap space to do some of

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Speaker 5: a bunch of guys order back to receivers, Orlando Brown,

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Speaker 5: whoever you bring on the defense, all of those things,

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Speaker 5: and you still better keep hitting on draft picks. And

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Speaker 5: they haven't done that.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem.

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Speaker 5: So why can't you do something to change that? And

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Speaker 5: they don't seem to be willing. Do I need more stouts,

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Speaker 5: Douktoba's I don't need more eyes? Okay, well, sure you've

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Speaker 6: Alex, Well, Mike, thank you. It's great to be with

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Speaker 6: program that says this can work.

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Speaker 4: And that's unfortunate.

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Speaker 6: Five years in.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I just don't recall a moment

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Speaker 2: a pinnacle for Wes Miller in the program where you

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Speaker 2: were like, okay, they have arrived, whether it was at

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Speaker 2: home or on the road. You know, a home game

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Speaker 2: against Arizona, they were in the game, but Arizona kind

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Speaker 2: of pulled away late. There are a couple of games

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Speaker 2: where they had leads in the second half, couldn't hold

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Speaker 2: on Houston. They were in the game with Houston, I

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Speaker 2: believe it was last season, and Houston just pulled away

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Speaker 2: at the end. They just didn't have the horses. And

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Speaker 2: that's the kind of game that Wes Miller needs. Forget

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Speaker 2: for now him making the NCAA tournament, which is what

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Speaker 2: a lot of fans uc Alum and whatnot feel is

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Speaker 2: the only way he's going to save his job is

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Speaker 2: if he somehow manages to get this team through the

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Speaker 2: Big twelve schedule and get through with not even an

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Speaker 2: eleven and seven mark. Try you know, a ten and

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Speaker 2: eight mark. If he goes ten and eight and gets

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Speaker 2: the team to the tournament, I think that'll save his.

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Speaker 6: Job, no question about it, because that's that's at least

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Speaker 6: going to give the fans some sign of tangible progress

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Speaker 6: being made.

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Speaker 4: But you mentioned the fact.

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Speaker 6: That this program doesn't have a lot of signature wins.

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Speaker 6: Here's a program that two years ago, first ever Big

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Speaker 6: twelve game, they go on the road and beat a

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Speaker 6: very good BYU team, and I'm like, Okay, maybe this

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Speaker 6: program is about to take off. They never won consecutive

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Speaker 6: Big twelve games in the regular season, and then obviously

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Speaker 6: last year played out the way it did, so there's

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Speaker 6: still time.

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Speaker 4: I believe that.

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Speaker 6: But you're right, because you go back and I was

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Speaker 6: talking about this with somebody earlier this week. You know,

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Speaker 6: there was a game in two thousand and This game

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Speaker 6: is very very famous in Bearcast basketball history. Bearcats are

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Speaker 6: playing at the ball and Bob Huggins says to his

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Speaker 6: entire team, if any of you touch the ball before

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Speaker 6: or take a shot before Kenny Martin touched the ball,

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Speaker 6: I'm taking your scholarship. I don't know if there's a

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Speaker 6: player on this team. Maybe it's Chisel James, maybe it's

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Speaker 6: Baba Miller, maybe it's Sanda Thomas. As you mentioned, is

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Speaker 6: there a player on this team that can get the

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Speaker 6: ball and say get out of my way.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to go.

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Speaker 6: Score some buckets and put the team on my back

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Speaker 6: and deliver us a much near victory. Jaron Cumberland was

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Speaker 6: that Gary Clark was that. Sean Kilpatrick was that I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure if this program has had that since maybe

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Speaker 6: it's on this team.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but you.

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Speaker 6: Better find out who that is quickly because the big

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Speaker 6: twelve gunlot is coming.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the University of Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: They have a pretty massive game, I would say tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It is the debut of the CBS Sports Classic. It

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Speaker 2: features number twenty two Kentucky taking on Saint John's and

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on the Wildcats heading into that. Obviously, they

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Speaker 2: have had several bumps in the road before that massive

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Speaker 2: win over Indiana, which was desperately needed at home last week.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So the big news is Jaden Quayton. It looks

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Speaker 6: like he's going to make his Kentucky Wildcats debut tomorrow

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Speaker 6: afternoon in Atlanta. And Quainton's is a transfer from Arizona State.

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Speaker 6: He's a five former five star recruit. He's actually originally

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Speaker 6: from Cleveland, Ohio, and he's projected NBA lottery pick. He's

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Speaker 6: been Alison's last February for the torn ACL. The rehab

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Speaker 6: process was long.

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Speaker 4: It was lengthy.

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Speaker 6: At times, it felt like he didn't know if he

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Speaker 6: was gonna even play this season, but he could up

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Speaker 6: play tomorrow, which look, that's the expectation, so long as

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Speaker 6: everything goes well in warm ups, and that is massive

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Speaker 6: for this team. But I'll tell you, Mike would really

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Speaker 6: impress me against Indiana about the Wildcats. They still aren't

510
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Speaker 6: a great shooting team, but they gave incredible effort, incredible intensity,

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Speaker 6: incredible grit on the defensive end. Their offensive rebounding was tremendous.

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Speaker 6: It paved the way from coming back from down seven

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Speaker 6: at half time to winning the game by twelve against

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Speaker 6: the good Indiana team that you very well may see

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Speaker 6: in the NCAA tournament. If this team plays like that,

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Speaker 6: with that intensity and with that versatility that they have.

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Speaker 6: I thought Jalen Lowe played the best team of his

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Speaker 6: Wildcats career against Indiana. He was scrappy, he was a distributor,

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Speaker 6: he was attacking the rim. That's what you want to see.

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Speaker 6: This Wildcats team is fine. I know they had some

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Speaker 6: huge bumps in the road early and I covered a

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Speaker 6: lot of them. But you find a way to beat

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Speaker 6: Rick Bettino and his Saint John's team tomorrow. You're going

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Speaker 6: to generate some momentum going into SEC play and That's

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Speaker 6: where I think this team can take off.

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Speaker 4: The SEC is.

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Speaker 6: Not nearly as good as strong as it was last year.

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Speaker 6: Is still a very strong conference, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 5: But you have the.

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Speaker 6: Opportunity in front of you to get a really good

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Speaker 6: win against a ranked Saint John's team and build some

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Speaker 6: momentum going into SEC play tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 2: That doubleheader, by the way, is at State Farm Arena

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta. The other half of that CBS Sports Classic

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Speaker 2: is Ohio State and North Carolina. Quick thoughts on that

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Speaker 2: we have about thirty.

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Speaker 6: Seconds Ohio say, better be ready to rebound and defend

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Speaker 6: because North Carolina is long, they're big. If you can

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Speaker 6: force North Carolina to take some more shots from the

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Speaker 6: perimeter than they would like, you've got a chance. And

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Speaker 6: like I talked about with Americas, give the ball to

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Speaker 6: Bruce Thorton if you're the Buckeyes and get the heck

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Speaker 6: out of the way. The buck guys can win tomorrow,

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Speaker 6: and if they do, they're gonna have some momentum going

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Speaker 6: to the Big Ten play.

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Speaker 2: Are doing your podcast, by the way from Miami, correct,

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Speaker 2: because you will be down in Miami for the game,

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Speaker 2: or are you waiting to record when you come back.

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Speaker 6: No, we are going live after the game on Sunday

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Speaker 6: time to be determined. Gotta make sure we know how

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Speaker 6: well it's gonna tak usk get back from the stadium

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Speaker 6: to the hotel. So sometime Sunday night we will be

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Speaker 6: live on the Lockdown Mangos YouTube channel with the Bengal

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Speaker 6: Squad Show, So feel free to tune in and hopefully

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Speaker 6: after a Bengals win down here in the Magic.

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Speaker 2: of course a Bengals squad that is on the lockedwn network,

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Speaker 2: so be sure to tune that in. He also does

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Speaker 2: some great work for us at celns Sincy dot com.

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Speaker 2: So that is Alex Frank. We're gonna have to let

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Speaker 2: have Pat Brennan of the Cincinnati Inquirer talking all things

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds. You are listening to RNL Carriers Sports Talk

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Speaker 2: already talked to a little Cincinnati Bengals. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: you see Bearcats at least on the basketball side, and

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Speaker 2: University of Kentucky. This is a s mortgage board. I

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Speaker 2: hate that word. I just tried to use it and

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Speaker 2: There's a better word and easier word to pronounce for me,

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Speaker 2: A plethora of sports topics. Tonight, locally, we are going

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Speaker 2: to move on to the baseball team in town right

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Speaker 2: now and talk about the Cincinnati Red Legs. They have

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Speaker 2: a pretty important offseason still ahead of them, a lot

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Speaker 2: of moves left to be made, at least a lot

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Speaker 2: of people think so. After missing out on Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 2: and this week signing lefty reliever Caleb Ferguson on here

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Speaker 2: Pat Brennan. He does a great job on the Bengals beat,

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Speaker 2: but also covers the Cincinnati Reds. Hey, Pat, thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining me. How you doing tonight?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: Tracks, I'm doing okay. Pronounced board.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to try it because I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to dull the listeners with my inability to pronounce that word.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't like.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to help here.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I appreciate the uh dictation alliteration

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Speaker 2: But I guess we have to start with your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the Reds missing out on Kyle Schwarber. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who criticize the Reds for making

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Speaker 2: the offer to Kyle Schwarber and then saying, well, We're

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Speaker 2: just going to bank that money and save it to

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Speaker 2: spend somewhere else, instead of going out and making a

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Speaker 2: push for let's say, Pete Alonso or someone else that

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Speaker 2: could provide a power bat in the lineup. What are

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on that? What's your biggest takeaway?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously there's some calculus done there about

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Speaker 4: Schwarber versus the rest of the eligible field for kind

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Speaker 4: of that power hitting likely DH type role that the

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Speaker 4: Reds were trying to fill via Schber. And I think

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Speaker 4: the calculation was probably and there's been some reporting of

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Speaker 4: this effect tracks. The calculation there was that this is

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Speaker 4: a local guy. He can drive some revenue because he's local.

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Speaker 4: He can also drive revenue because he's such an enormous

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Speaker 4: name in the game today and over the last certainly

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Speaker 4: over the last few years when he's really elevated his power,

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Speaker 4: the strength of his power hitting to the top of

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Speaker 4: the game or near the top. And I guess there

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Speaker 4: was a calculus that that popularity could offset some of

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Speaker 4: the costs right up front just by bringing him in.

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Speaker 4: His name offsets some of what it would cost to

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Speaker 4: retain him. And I think it's probably true that other

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Speaker 4: power hitters in that conversation, like PETERLNDO, might not have

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Speaker 4: the same effect at the box office. So yeah, look,

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Speaker 4: I'll say this much regardless of whether we agree or disagree,

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Speaker 4: or fans agreed disagree with that. With that math that

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Speaker 4: I think was done there, I can understand why it

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Speaker 4: would be deemed disheartening to see that money then come

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Speaker 4: off the table and then oh, the Reds are back

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Speaker 4: to working, working within this the very tight parameters of

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Speaker 4: the initial budget that we thought they had.

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Speaker 2: Here's my problem with that. Let me jump in here.

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Speaker 2: Here's my problem with that. Are you trying to become

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Speaker 2: a significantly better baseball team on the field in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six addressing an obvious need, which was the lack

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Speaker 2: of a power bat in the middle of the lineup

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Speaker 2: to help protect La Dala Cruz, Or are you trying

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Speaker 2: to sell seats? My thinking is, if you're trying to

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Speaker 2: become the best baseball team, go to the second best

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Speaker 2: bat in the lineup, make a play. And if you

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Speaker 2: miss on Pete Alonso, well you missed on two. You

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Speaker 2: went over two, which power hitters normally do. See that

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Speaker 2: putt that I just made there, But anyway you made

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Speaker 2: the attempt, you were at least in the batter's box

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Speaker 2: taking your hacks. The problem a lot of Reds fans

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Speaker 2: have and I was at a party last night and

651
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Speaker 2: talking with a couple of long standing season ticket holders,

652
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, we made one we made one move,

653
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: and I don't want to label it as half hearted,

654
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: but they made one attempt, and they're like, oh, well

655
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: it wasn't meant to be. We're going to move on

656
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: to something else. That's that's a loser's attitude, and it

657
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: frustrates so many fans in this town. And before it

658
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: was a Bengal town and a football town, it was

659
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: obviously a very rick baseball town, and it infuriates fans

660
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: that the Reds don't go out and try to improve

661
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: the product on the field address an obvious need.

662
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I get it, And you know, the money.

663
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: The Reds have tied up a lot of their available

664
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: budget dollars to now three free agent pitchers, one of

665
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: which is that we're obviously all very familiar with an

666
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: Emilio Pagan. But I think the cumulative sum of the

667
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: cost of those players and their entirety is less than

668
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: the Phillies spend. Well, okay, the Phillies will spend on

669
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: one reliever, Brad Keller, who they signed to a two

670
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: year to twenty two million dollar deal. So look, it's

671
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 4: not this isn't new from the Reds. They're adding around

672
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: the edges. They're adding where they feel like they can, and.

673
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: They're hoping their primo prosps becks fill in the void

674
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: in the meat of the order. And it's a strategy.

675
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: And I guess you're that's why I'm having you on.

676
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: You're doing a fabulous job of articulating that that is

677
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: their strategy, that the bats that cost primo dollars are

678
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: going to have to be filled in by players the

679
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: Reds already have under team control so that they can

680
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: fill on the edges. I don't know. When I hear that,

681
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, they're they're trying to do it in

682
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: the cheapest way possible, and I just think in the

683
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: long run, your odds diminish greatly when you take that tact.

684
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: Oh sure, well, listen, I'll go back to the end

685
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: of year. I don't want to call it a news

686
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 4: conference because it's a little more intimate than that, but right,

687
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: Nick cal and uh Brad Metter meet with the.

688
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.

689
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, Hey, I know you were cowboy, and

690
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: you know the way I interpreted Nick's comments were that,

691
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I just it wasn't a specific comment,

692
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: but I walked out of there feeling like if I'm

693
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: reading the room and interpreting these things as I do

694
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: and as I heard him talk, I think the Reds

695
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: believe they will have a very challenging task in front

696
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: of them this offseason getting back to eighty four wins,

697
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: and I think that's where that's been born out to be.

698
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: It certainly looks like a good reaf on the situation today,

699
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: and I do think they will be hard pressed to

700
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: be a better team than they were last year. You

701
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: mentioned the word you're hoping for prospects to fill in

702
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: and this and that hope is a big part of

703
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 4: the equation here. There's no question you are hoping that

704
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Matt McClain turns it around. You're hoping for a full

705
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: season of healthy Spencer Steer. You're hoping that Dela Cruz

706
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: finally produces not just plays for one sixty two, but

707
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 4: delivers well. I think what has to be MVP caliber

708
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: play for one sixty two.

709
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: Have you heard anything more on the reporting and some

710
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: of the rumors that I've read in the last couple

711
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: of weeks about Ellie d La Cruz and the Reds

712
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: giving or not giving him permission to play in the

713
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic.

714
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: I had seen the rumors. My impression remains that he

715
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: will participate in the World Baseball Classic, and I understand that.

716
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: You know, I think if if I'm not mistaken, I'll

717
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 4: just let's say this was a rumor too. I think

718
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: MLB had a social media post that was later taken down,

719
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, and I am willing to be

720
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: corrected on that. But yeah, there were some ripples about

721
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 4: him maybe not being allowed to go. But I will

722
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: tell you that what the Inquirer reported and what my

723
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: colleague and good friend Gordon Wittenmeyer reported from the winter

724
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 4: meetings in Orlando was that I think Albert Pooholes is

725
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: managing the team, the national team, and he seemed very

726
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: convinced that Ellie would be in the Whoever the manager

727
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 4: is of that national team very convinced that Ellie would

728
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 4: be a part of it. And from that I really

729
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 4: had no I didn't feel a strong inkling to lean

730
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: too much into the rumor mill after what I saw

731
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 4: coming out of Orlando.

732
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: God, so what about NOELV. Martegs Because to me, of

733
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: the names that you just mentioned, the one you did

734
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: not Mention is probably the biggest name. They are going

735
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: to depend on him and south Stewart in the middle

736
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: of that order to really provide the Reds what they're

737
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: not going to get out of Kyle Schwarber because they

738
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: missed on him in free agency. I think their plan

739
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: B was, Okay, we don't get a big bat, We're

740
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: just going to have to step on salth Stewart and

741
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: nouelve Marte. And I think there was enough evidence in

742
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: the play that we saw in the last six to

743
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: eight weeks of the twenty twenty five season to suggest

744
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: that they could be ready to take that next significant

745
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: leap in twenty twenty six.

746
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just starting with south Stewart. You hope

747
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: that's the case, except that the National ball I mean

748
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: all of baseball, not just the National League, is going

749
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: to have a whole offseason to pick his approach at

750
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: the play depart and you know, pitchers will adjust to

751
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 4: him after not mostly not having seen him until late

752
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: in the MLB regular season last year and for a

753
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: hot second in the playoffs. So how does he adjust

754
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: to that adjustment? And then that kind of back and

755
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 4: forth game begins and continues on for his whole career,

756
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: but I think the first two rounds of that can

757
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: be really challenging for a young player like him. So

758
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: we'll we'll see about South Stewart. Uh, Noel Marte, I

759
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 4: feel much more confident about He's beyond that phase in

760
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 4: his career. He became very reliable in the field, which

761
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: was you know, left field was sorry. Right field was

762
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: a black hole for the Reds defensively at times last year.

763
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 4: But so so that's a good thing. But you know,

764
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: noelva is yet too show to offer to give the

765
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: Reds what they need to protect Ellie and do all

766
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 4: the things that Kyle Schwarver would have provided. We haven't

767
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: seen that yet from Noelvie over.

768
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 5: Thing.

769
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: Let me jump in here. That's the thing, please they

770
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: had the Reds haven't seen it consistently from Noelve, but

771
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: I think they're in the second half of last year

772
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: they started to get the sense that this kid is

773
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: ready to play one hundred and fifty games a year

774
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: and be a massive force for us. I mean the

775
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: play he made the final home game, leaping above the

776
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: wall making that catch that was the iconic moment of

777
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five Red season. The feel good moment

778
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: of the year. I don't think there's any question about that.

779
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: And it's appropriate that it was Marte making that play,

780
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: because that's really if you want to look at what

781
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: the reds Field twenty twenty six can be, it's that

782
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: final play of the year at home. Anyway, of course

783
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: they had the three year Milwaukee, but the final play

784
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: of the year at home. That's what I think the

785
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: reds Field the ceiling is for next year.

786
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 4: Yep, I agree, And again I think a lot of

787
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 4: that once again, even with Noelvie, predicated on hope and

788
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: projections and things we're yet to see with our own

789
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: two eyes. I think, you know, but these are I

790
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 4: want to give credit to Nick Crawl and Brad Matter.

791
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: These are these sharp guys. Everything they calculated about last season,

792
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: most things, I should say, uh, that was good enough

793
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 4: to get them to the playoffs, and let's just see,

794
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 4: let's just see what they can do with the rest

795
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: of this offseason. I think they made some significant additions

796
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: to last year's team, guys that ended up being significant

797
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 4: later on after in the new year. So I'm not

798
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm not ready to say that this offseason was a failure.

799
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: And I don't think anyone else should, just based on

800
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: the fact that they didn't land Kyle's for that was

801
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 4: always kind of a long shot.

802
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on real quick. We've got a couple

803
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: of minutes here. They did make a move this week

804
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: four point five million for one year for lefty reliever

805
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: Caleb Ferguson. A lot of fans are going to say who,

806
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: But this is a guy that Terry Francona joked with

807
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: Caleb Ferguson, and Ferguson acknowledged this on a zoom call

808
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: from Thursday. He's glad he doesn't have to game plan

809
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: for going forward and just tell us a little bit

810
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: about Caleb Ferguson. He can of kind of, I think,

811
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: take the role of Brent Suter in that bullpen. But

812
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: he's a lefty reliever who can get a lot of

813
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: lefties and righties out.

814
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think he feels an area of need

815
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 4: as a lefty reliever in the bullpen. He alluded last

816
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 4: night on that zoom call you mentioned to the varying

817
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: nature of his role and that he expects to be

818
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: called upon to do a variety of different jobs for

819
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 4: the Reds out of the bullpen, and I think equating

820
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 4: that to the Brent Suter role is probably a fair

821
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: assessment by you drags. But I mean this is this

822
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 4: is another guy who you know. Now, the Reds have

823
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 4: everyone returning from last year, you know, bringing in guys

824
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 4: with postseason experience to clubhouse last year that had none

825
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: was a big deal for the Reds. Now most of

826
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: the guys returning experienced the postseason on a relatively high level.

827
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: You faced the eventual champion Dodgers in a series that

828
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 4: was you know, they got swept out of it. So

829
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: everyone has playoff experience. Caleb Ferguson has big time playoff

830
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: experience with multiple franchises. Last year it was with the

831
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: Seattle Mariners, and he did get knocked around a fair amount,

832
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: but that was the first time in his career, over

833
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: several postseason runs, that he had really faced any kind

834
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: of adversity. He was a phenomenal postseason pitcher prior to

835
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: that with the Dodgers, and I believe the Astros. So

836
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: this is a guy with postseason pedigree. You love that

837
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 4: he is a veteran guy. You like that too, and

838
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: he's not too old, So I think it was a

839
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: great pickup by the Reds kind of a sneaky under

840
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 4: the radar one. This is a guy that started the

841
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 4: year with the Pittsburgh Pirates last season tracks, so some

842
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: Reds fans might actually be familiar with his work, and

843
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: good work tends to get overshadowed in Pittsburgh these days.

844
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: And obviously the Mariners thought highly enough of him to

845
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: bring him on for their stretch run and playoff run.

846
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: Like I said, he got roughed up. Well, he pitched

847
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 4: beginnings for them in the playoffs.

848
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: We've got forty five seconds here, Pat, I want to

849
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: get your opinion on Catel Marte of Arizona. He is

850
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: the one name I hear that could be a blockbuster trade.

851
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna require a lot. But what are your thoughts

852
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: on the Reds possibly making a bid at him at

853
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: the age of thirty two.

854
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: I'd love to see it happen. Talk about postseason pedigree.

855
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: This guy tore up the National League side of the

856
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: bracket in twenty twenty three, as the Diamondbacks went on

857
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: to win the NL that year. You know, there are

858
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: some red flags that don't necessarily translate to a Terry

859
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 4: francona managed team. I think This is a guy that

860
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: probably needs to have a veteran leadership to check him

861
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: at times. But I think it would be a great addition,

862
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: a big name and someone who could do a significant

863
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: amount of a you know, not a bad backup option.

864
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 4: And if you couldn't get Kyles forber right, all right,

865
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: he is.

866
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Speaker 2: Pat Brennan does a fabulous job covering the Reds for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Inquirer, and of course he's with me on

868
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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals beat for the arrest of this season.

869
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: Three more games remaining, he will be traveling to Miami

870
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Speaker 2: to cover the Bengals along with Kelsey Conway of the

871
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Inquirer. Be sure to cover his great coverage there. Pat,

872
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: thanks so much. We got to let you go. We

873
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: got news at the bottom of the hour. Then another

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Speaker 2: inquire a great terrific reporters, Shell Dermert will be joining

875
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Speaker 2: me on the other side to talk about how in

876
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Speaker 2: the world Musketeers can forget about that blowout loss to

877
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: Creighton on Wednesday and move on to Georgetown tomorrow. On

878
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Speaker 2: the road, you're listening to the RNL Carrier Sports talk

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Speaker 2: program presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on News Radio seven hundred WLW,

880
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: just past the halfway point of this three hour extravaganza

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Speaker 2: known as the RNL Carrier's Sports Talk Program presented by

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00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: Kelsey Chevrolet on news Radio seven hundred w WELW. My

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Speaker 2: name is Mike Crowyef, filling in for the Great Lance

884
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Speaker 2: McAllister until nine o'clock when Sterling takes over here in

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Speaker 2: the high chair in the Big One studio here in

886
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: ken Woods. So looking forward to entertaining for the next

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Speaker 2: let's say hour and twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 4: UH.

889
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Speaker 2: To do that, We're going to take your calls five one, three, seven, nine, seven,

890
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: thousan one eight hundred the Big One. We want to

891
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: get to a couple of calls before we get to

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Speaker 2: Shelby Dehmer, who is patiently waiting online. Dick in Dayton.

893
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: You've been waiting very patiently. How you doing, Dick? What

894
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Speaker 2: is on your mind? We've got about one minute right here.

895
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 7: Hey, Mike, good to talk to you.

896
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Speaker 5: I just was a little concerned this year.

897
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Speaker 7: I was hoping the Bengals, but Joe Burrow came back

898
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 7: and then all this collapse at once, and I just

899
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 7: can't understand what's going on.

900
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 5: Mike.

901
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 7: They're a better team than this, but the defense needs

902
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 7: help and everything, and if they keep losing, I'm scared

903
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 7: they're gonna lose Taylor and they might have to get

904
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 7: a defensive coordinator.

905
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: Well your opinion about that, so good question, Dick.

906
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. They hired Al Golden from Notre

907
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: Dame last year to replace lou Ana Arumo, who's done

908
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: pretty good things this year in Indianapolis in a similar role.

909
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: I think second year under our Golden will make a difference.

910
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 2: I think the maturation of guys like DJ Turner, Dax Hill,

911
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: and Miles Murphy entering his third year is gonna matter.

912
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins on the ir but he as of today

913
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Speaker 2: with an ankle injury, but he will be entering his

914
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Speaker 2: third year next season. Zach Taylor said this morning he

915
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: is going to make a big leap. They're very confident

916
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Speaker 2: of that. They have to. This is non negotiable. The

917
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: Bengals have to go out spend the money on defense

918
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: and hit in the draft. They have to replicate what

919
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: they did after the twenty twenty season and before I'm sorry,

920
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 2: what they did in twenty twenty free agency and twenty

921
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Speaker 2: twenty one free agency to set the table for the

922
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: runs in twenty one and twenty two. That is non negotiable.

923
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: The Bengals absolutely positively have to reconstruct their defense. I

924
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 2: think everybody in the building knows it. The big question

925
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: is whether or not you trust the people picking the

926
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Speaker 2: groceries to use an old bill ourselves line. Do you

927
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Speaker 2: trust the people buying the groceries to cook the meal?

928
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: That is what it's going to come down to. We

929
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: got time for one more Mark. I've got thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about the Reds. What's on your mind?

931
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Speaker 8: Well, I just want to say everybody's upset about the

932
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Speaker 8: Schwarmer thing and you and while the Reds didn't sign them,

933
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Speaker 8: and could we all agree? I think the Reds could

934
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Speaker 8: spend a little more money than they do. But let's

935
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Speaker 8: keep in mind the Philadelphia Phillies are in the eighth

936
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Speaker 8: largest market in the United States. They just signed a

937
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Speaker 8: new television deal. I think that guarantees them about two

938
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Speaker 8: and a half billion dollars over the next twenty years.

939
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Speaker 8: And you know, the Reds are not going to compete

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Speaker 8: with that. Though maybe if you've got a new ownership

941
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Speaker 8: in here, maybe they get more aggressive with television.

942
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: Could do something, but.

943
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 8: The numbers are what they are, and that's just the

944
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 8: reality of what we have.

945
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: That is a great, great point mark, And you know,

946
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: I think certainly what Reds fans have to understand is

947
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: you've got to hit. Just like the Bengals have to

948
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: hit with their draft picks, the Reds have to hit

949
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: with their prospects. That's non negotiable. That is the business

950
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: model set by the Minnesota Twins back in the early

951
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: two thousands, set by the Houston Astros in the last

952
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years. They did a great job with that.

953
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: Then they came in and spent a little bit more money.

954
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: It is doable. Even with the Milwaukee Brewers. Now you

955
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: see what they've done with Pat Murphy, a terrific field manager.

956
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: They've done a great job of developing their young players.

957
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: The Reds have to follow that model. They just have

958
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: to be more successful in doing that. I do think

959
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: there's hope for next year. I am not of the

960
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: belief that just because they didn't get Kyle Schwarber, all

961
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: hope is lost for twenty twenty six. I'm not of

962
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: that belief. I think there is enough talent stockpiled in

963
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: the organization. Maybe not deep down in the farm system anymore,

964
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 2: but it is ready to contribute at the major league level.

965
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: We talked about Noel ve Marte, we talked about Sal Stewart,

966
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: guys like that, Chase Burns of the See on the

967
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 2: pitching side, I think the Reds going to be okay

968
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. They need maybe to make one

969
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: or two more moves to provide some depth. All right,

970
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: it is time to move on to the guest that

971
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Speaker 2: we have slated for this segment, and he is here

972
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: to clean up what was a mess at Centas or

973
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: at least talk about cleaning up the mess that was

974
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: Centas Center on Wednesday night, the worst home loss in

975
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Speaker 2: Xavier history. That's certainly the worst loss in the history

976
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: of Cintas Center, a forty one point blowout ninety eight

977
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Speaker 2: to fifty seven to Creighton. Shelby Dermer of the Cincinnati Inquirer. Shelby,

978
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: you are otherwise known as no Strodermis, please.

979
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Speaker 4: Explain that's correct.

980
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 9: So before the season, I went game by games through

981
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Speaker 9: davor schedule. Obviously a lot of intrigue with a new,

982
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 9: completely new roster, only one returning player, no returning minutes,

983
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 9: and just tried to pick game by game and right

984
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 9: now now after I didn't expect what happened on Wednesday

985
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 9: to happened, but I did expect the laws, maybe not

986
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 9: by forty one points. But so far I'm twelve or twelve, Mike,

987
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 9: and I have them at eight and four. Since I

988
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Speaker 9: can pick twelve games in a row, you think i'd

989
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 9: have the wherewithal of like you know, pick the trash

990
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 9: cans down every Sunday or other things like that, but

991
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 9: that sneaks up on me. But so far perfect on

992
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 9: the Zavier season, have them at eight and four.

993
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: So we are going to do what is called in

994
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: the business tease. The segment tees the outcome and the

995
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: finale of this segment. So we will hold off on

996
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: what you are predicting for tomorrow in Washington, d C.

997
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: The Georgetown Hoya is with I think a bit of

998
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 2: a surprise. Even though Marquette is having a down year,

999
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: they won their big East opener on the road on

1000
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: Wednesday night at Marquette. Your thoughts on what Xavier has

1001
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: to do, first of all to correct the mistakes that

1002
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: happened on Wednesday night, Right, it has.

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Speaker 9: To start on defense and if any time you give up.

1004
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 9: You know, that was the largest loss in Davier history

1005
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 9: at home.

1006
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 4: It's also the.

1007
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 9: Most points they've allowed at home. Mike's ninety eight points.

1008
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 4: Creaton almost cracking triple digits.

1009
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 9: Creighton came in, they weren't shooting the three ball, well,

1010
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 9: they shot a lot of them. They came in and

1011
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 9: got whatever they wanted. They were sixteen to thirty three

1012
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 9: from three, the most three Xavier had allowed since seventeen

1013
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 9: to Evansville a few years back. Storing Travis Steele era.

1014
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 9: Creighton shot over sixty percent from the field. And so

1015
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 9: it all starts defensively, and for this matchup, you know,

1016
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 9: Georgetown's gonna pick on some of the week. This says

1017
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Speaker 9: Xavier had. Xavier went to this small ball lineup, so

1018
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 9: they have their bigger guys like Anthony Robinson and pop

1019
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 9: Enji are on the bench.

1020
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 4: For the majority of the game.

1021
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 9: Small ball lineup that helps you a lot on offense

1022
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 9: with things like taking care of the ball and passing.

1023
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 9: Xavier's excelled at that, but it really hurts in rim

1024
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 9: protection and Xavier's been just really punished by the remp

1025
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 9: or in the paint so far this season. And that's

1026
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 9: what you're going to get against Georgetown. They don't shoot

1027
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 9: the three well, but they know that they only shoot

1028
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 9: about thirty five percent of their field goal attempt for

1029
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 9: beyond the arc, so they want to get inside the behavior.

1030
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a physicality issue right now. They have

1031
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 9: to buck up on defense and find a way to

1032
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 9: keep Georgetown away from the basket. Easier said than done.

1033
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: Trey Carroll came down to earth a little bit. He

1034
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: was held in single digits, as you wrote for your

1035
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: story on Cincinnati dot Com. Held in single digits seven

1036
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: points for the first time this season. In Jovonne Milisevich,

1037
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: he was scoreless, going zero for eight. And Roddy Anderson,

1038
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: the only player on the roster last year, and of

1039
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: course he was injured he did not play last year,

1040
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: but he was the only returning player. He scored all

1041
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: twelve of his points in the second half. They're just

1042
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: going to have to get more. I think those three

1043
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 2: players that I just mentioned Milisavich, Carol and Anderson they

1044
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: have to be big players tomorrow if the Muskies are

1045
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: going to come away with a win on the road.

1046
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yovan is a big guess.

1047
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 9: Catlysts I think, for you know, xavior's turnaround in non

1048
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 9: conference play, that five game winning streak, that sixth and

1049
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 9: one stretch kind of he entered really the fold. At Iowa,

1050
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 9: Zavier lost that game, gave up fifty plus points of

1051
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 9: the paint, but Jovonne stepped in hit a couple of threes,

1052
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 9: and he's been that guy that stretches defenses out. We

1053
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 9: talked about that in the shootout Davier. With five guys

1054
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 9: on the perimeter who are a threat to shoot three,

1055
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 9: it allowed Treke Carroll to have some one on one opportunities.

1056
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 9: Then in Charleston, Yovann hit ten threes. He had twelve

1057
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Speaker 9: or fourteen excuse me, over a three game stretch. So yeah,

1058
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 9: a bit of an outlier performance if you if you

1059
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 9: look at his game log throughout the year, to just

1060
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 9: play eighteen minutes going over eight and then Trake Carroll,

1061
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 9: like you mentioned, first game in single digits. So you know,

1062
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 9: you hope he turns it around, but I guess you know,

1063
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 9: Richard Bettino wasn't wasn't ready to say it was a

1064
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 9: bright spot, but really it kind of was with Malik

1065
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 9: Messina more. Yeah, if you look back at their first

1066
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 9: two games, they were they were clunky wins. Xavier was

1067
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 9: twenty point twenty plus point five over Marrits and Lemoyne.

1068
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 9: They won both of those games by five point or

1069
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 9: four points against marits five points against Lamoines, and both

1070
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 9: times the offense just the lid was on the basket

1071
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 9: until Malik the sina Moore took over. And he's been

1072
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 9: you know, really quiet, only like four to three pointers

1073
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 9: over the last nine games, and then he got going.

1074
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 9: Against Creighton, Xavier led at the first media time out.

1075
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 9: You wouldn't think that from a box score full of

1076
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 9: you know, concerning numbers, but they led early ten to nine.

1077
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Speaker 9: Cina Moore ended up with fourteen points, his first time

1078
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 9: in double digits since the second game of the season.

1079
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 9: So his aggressiveness, his assertiveness on the offensive end, along

1080
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 9: with doing good things like rebounding and assisting, which he

1081
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 9: was already doing when he wasn't scoring. So trying to

1082
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 9: get you know, all these guys on the same page.

1083
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 9: Not a lot of room for error for Xavier's offense.

1084
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 9: But you know, Milie getting on track was a step

1085
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 9: in the right direction.

1086
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: If you want hope and you're a Xavier fan, you

1087
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: go back to the way Richard Patino handled the Santa

1088
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: Clara loss, how he reacted, how the team responded to that.

1089
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: And yes they lost to I believe it was Iowa,

1090
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: but in a much more competitive game. And yes they

1091
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: lost by one at Georgia. We know George's pretty legitimate team,

1092
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: especially down there on the road. But you see the

1093
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: way they responded. That's why I think there's hope for

1094
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: this Xavier team. I yes, it was a terrible, horrific

1095
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: loss on your home court, but the way Patinos troops

1096
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: handled the Santa Clara loss, which was eye opening, it

1097
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: gives me hope that I think they're going to respond

1098
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: the right way going forward.

1099
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, you brought up the perfect pair of examples there,

1100
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 9: Mike Is. You know, you had that Santa Clara loss

1101
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 9: where you know the whole crowd, You've been in that

1102
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 9: bunker at Sindtop Center, and you know all those fans

1103
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 9: are saying, you know everything, you know, all the negative

1104
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 9: things about you as they're walking out with ten minutes

1105
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 9: to go and Santa Clara is pulling away.

1106
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: And then you go to Iowa, like you said, competitive.

1107
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 9: Nineteen point loss again, you rebound four days later, you

1108
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 9: win thirty. Then you know the Georgia is just a

1109
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 9: backbreaking law. Come back from down sixteen to the second half,

1110
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 9: lose on a last second shot, But then what do

1111
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 9: you do two days later?

1112
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 4: You take care of West Virginia by ten. That really

1113
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: start jump starts to run.

1114
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 9: So the way this team is responded to adversity this

1115
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 9: season is, you know what you hang your hat on

1116
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 9: moving forward and just hope that they take this Creighton

1117
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 9: game as you know, a big wake up call. You

1118
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 9: know you're riding high after five straight wins, including one

1119
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 9: in the cross down shootout. You finished an on conference

1120
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 9: at eight and three. Kind of reading the headlines maybe

1121
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 9: a little bit, but Creighton certainly brings you back down

1122
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 9: to earth. A coach McDermott led team can do that

1123
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 9: to you with the way they can shoot. So you

1124
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 9: hope it's they can respond to adversity like they have

1125
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 9: all year and that you know they got a wake

1126
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 9: up call that you know it's it's go time in

1127
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 9: the Big East and there's no nights off and and

1128
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 9: it's a it's a grind.

1129
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you had a terrific quote from Richard

1130
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: Patino in your story. They didn't show up to watch

1131
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 2: that Patino said of the fan sentas that was about

1132
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: as humbling and I'm not an arrogant person by any means,

1133
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: but fourteen years as a coach, I don't know if

1134
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: I've ever had one of those in a league game

1135
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: on opening night like that. He is Shelby Dermer. He

1136
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: does a fabulous job covering the Xavier Musketeers for the

1137
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com boots on the ground.

1138
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: He will be in our nation's capital tomorrow covering Xavier

1139
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: and the Georgetown Hoyas in game number two of the

1140
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: Big East schedule. You can also follow him at give

1141
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: me your Twitter handle, I don't want to get.

1142
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 4: It wrong at Inquire Shelby.

1143
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 2: There you go, and you can also call him Noster

1144
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: Dermis the next time you see him out in public,

1145
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: because that's what he is known for. Best around Shelby,

1146
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: You're the best. Thanks for taking some time out on

1147
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: a Friday night. Enjoy the game tomorrow.

1148
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 4: Absolutely all right.

1149
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: He's Shelby Dermom. My name is Mike Petralia. And on

1150
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: the other side of news at the top of the hour,

1151
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: we will talk some UC basketball and Wes Miller and

1152
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: John Cunningham with Russ Heltman of SI dot Com. My

1153
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: name is Mike Petralia, and you are listening to RNL

1154
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on News Radio

1155
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW.

1156
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

1157
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: And Welcome to the third and final hour of RNL

1158
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: Carriers Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on News Radio

1159
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. I have had the great privilege and

1160
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: honor of filling in for Lance McAllister for the previous

1161
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: two hours. We're going to try to finish on a

1162
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: very strong note here in the final sixty minutes of

1163
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: this program. It'll be Russ Heltman joining me in a

1164
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: few moments of SI dot com talking all things Cincinnati Bearcats.

1165
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: Then we'll have Gabby Sorrentino of Fox nineteen. She will

1166
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: be down in Miami covering the Bengals and Dolphins, and

1167
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the Bengals and some other fun stuff,

1168
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: maybe some cultural topics on the docket. We'll see. We'll

1169
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: wait and see what Gabby has in store for us,

1170
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: but that will be the way we finish out the program.

1171
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: Then Sterling takes over. The show takes over the studio,

1172
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: I should say at nine o'clock he's with you, and

1173
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: from nine o'clock until midnight, just about getting underway out

1174
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: in Norman, Oklahoma, the CFP, the College Football Playoff, officially

1175
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 2: begins with first round games. Tonight. It is number nine

1176
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: Alabama taking on number eight Oklahoma. I find that to

1177
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: be a fascinating matchup because in years past you would

1178
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: just say Alabama is the blue blood college football program

1179
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: that go in and take on any opponent anytime, and

1180
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 2: take on Oklahoma and beat Oklahoma. I'm not so sure

1181
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: this time. I think Oklahoma probably beats them in a

1182
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: close one. Tomorrow. The three other first round games number

1183
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: ten Miami at number seven Texas A and M Number

1184
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: eleven Tulane takes on number six Ole Miss. That's at

1185
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: three point thirty the Miami, Texas A and M game

1186
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: at noon, and then the afternoon or the evening of

1187
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: college football winds up with number twelve James Madison at

1188
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: number five Oregon that is at seven thirty PM. But

1189
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, I want to bring on my next guest.

1190
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: He is a good friend of mine. At all things

1191
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bearcats. We always manage to have interesting conversations during

1192
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: play and during the timeouts. He is the one and

1193
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: only Russ Helpman again covers the Bearcats for SI dot Com.

1194
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: How you doing, Russ on this Friday night.

1195
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 10: Mike, awesome man? How you doing on this Friday night?

1196
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: I am doing well. I guess I'm going to start

1197
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: with college basketball and start with the Bearcats and what

1198
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: they were able to do against Alabama State. Wes Miller

1199
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: needed a blowout win and you got a couple of good,

1200
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: feel good storylines out of Wednesday. If you're Wes Miller,

1201
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: you got the big win and you got Gisel James

1202
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: coming back to the Bearcats and scoring in double figures.

1203
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: It seemed like that's the kind of at least one

1204
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: game boost that Wes Miller needed.

1205
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 10: Gisel looked awesome, Mike and his return, and just at

1206
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 10: the maybe not the right time, obviously a third of

1207
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 10: the way into the season already being six and four,

1208
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 10: you're back against the wall having to win definitely on Sunday,

1209
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 10: or you're in a position in conference play where there's

1210
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 10: just going to have to be a complete flip of

1211
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 10: the script compared to the record and conference over the

1212
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 10: last two seasons. Coming into the Big Twelve, but Jigsel

1213
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 10: looked really really good. Bob Bob Miller looked good. They

1214
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 10: were able to get some more things go in the

1215
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 10: half court, get some more good looks at the rim

1216
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 10: than they had been in most of these games coming

1217
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 10: in in the this action against Avaca State. But it's

1218
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 10: a Hornets team that they took on. Mike was three

1219
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 10: hundred and ninth on kem Palm coming into a game

1220
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 10: in total defensive efficiency, so it's not a huge thing

1221
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 10: to hang your hat on. There were some good tendencies

1222
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 10: that they could build on, and you always love to

1223
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 10: see a guy like Boba Miller put up a what

1224
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 10: twenty six and fourteen on eleven of twelve shooting and

1225
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 10: a forty one efficiency score on the staff broadcast feed

1226
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 10: that I don't think I've seen a player put up

1227
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 10: an efficiency line like that in my time covering the

1228
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 10: team over the last few years. So that was really

1229
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 10: good to see what he can do when he gets rolling.

1230
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 10: I think eight dunks from him overall, So the offense

1231
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 10: looked a lot better. But obviously do it again this

1232
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 10: Sunday against Clemson.

1233
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: So what will the Bearcats have to do Sunday going

1234
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: on the road. I mean, they had a chance against

1235
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: Georgia and they came out strong, and I don't know,

1236
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: watching the first ten minutes of that game and watching

1237
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: the final thirty minutes of the game, where I think

1238
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: they were outscored by thirty points, it was like watching

1239
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: two different teams.

1240
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 10: Russ it was Mike, and they have to find a

1241
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 10: way to stain the pace that they want to play

1242
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 10: with and maybe having Gisel James in the fold is

1243
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 10: going to allow them to do that and allow them

1244
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 10: to break through against the Clinton team that is a

1245
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 10: complete opposite style three hundred and twenty ninth I think

1246
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 10: in adjusted tempo on kimpom compared to Cincinnati, who's in

1247
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 10: the top seventy nationally in that stat So a contrasting

1248
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 10: way to play from these two teams. And can Cincinnati

1249
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 10: find a way to break through un the glass against

1250
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 10: one of the best rebounding teams in the country and

1251
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 10: find a way to force some live ball turnovers against

1252
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 10: an elite team and taking care of the basketball and

1253
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 10: finding efficient shots all around the half court. So it's

1254
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 10: going to be a really really tough test once again

1255
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 10: for the defense and how long it can it can

1256
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 10: hold up in a game that's going to going to

1257
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 10: grind them down in a kind of opposite way from

1258
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 10: how fast Georgia played last weekend, and once again you

1259
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 10: got to start hitting some jump shots. It's just amazing, Mike,

1260
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 10: how how far below the average? A lot of these

1261
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 10: guys who were really good shooters coming in and a

1262
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 10: lot of new players obviously that hadn't played for UC

1263
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 10: on this roster this season, and just something about fifth

1264
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 10: third arena or I don't know, it's just they they

1265
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 10: find a way to shoot a lot worse, and now

1266
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 10: you're going into a new arena where you have no

1267
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 10: experience shooting the ball. But they got to find a

1268
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 10: way to break through what is also a strong three

1269
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 10: point defense against Clemson and a Clemson team that's going

1270
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 10: to be happy to see them shoot the amount of

1271
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 10: threes that they've been accustomed to shooting the season, and

1272
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 10: also obviously shooting a lot of threes and getting a

1273
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 10: lot of open looks, but they just haven't been going

1274
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 10: down for the bear cuts shotting up.

1275
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,959
Speaker 2: Russ Helpman of SI dot com covering all things Sincinnata

1276
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: Bearcats Shawn A. Bayev he is to me a puzzle.

1277
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: He is someone that is very hard to figure out

1278
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: for West Miller and you know, in defensive West, I

1279
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: think when they when he added Shawn Abayev to the roster,

1280
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 2: I think he thought that maybe this was the kind

1281
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: of three point shooter that could loosen up the offense

1282
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: a little bit and allow them to do more things

1283
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 2: outside inside however you want to put it. But I

1284
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: think they thought that a Byev would be kind of

1285
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,440
Speaker 2: an X factor for loosening up the offense. And I consistently,

1286
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,520
Speaker 2: consistency wise, that just hasn't panned out yet anyway.

1287
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 10: Mike, and there was a month again good signs of

1288
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 10: maybe something brewing there for a freshman who it doesn't

1289
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Speaker 10: happen right away for off freshmen. We're seeing happen right

1290
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 10: away for a lot of a leaf freshmen in the

1291
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 10: country right now. But that's just never been the case

1292
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 10: historically where you're seeing a ton of guy really pop

1293
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 10: right away. And obviously, the way that Shannabayev works, you'd

1294
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 10: expect them to continue growing throughout the season. He puts

1295
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 10: in as much time as anybody on the roster. But

1296
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 10: from obviously what fans saw in that game, if you

1297
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 10: watched a really good job of penetrating into the deep paint,

1298
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 10: getting some like good looping passes over the shoulder, some

1299
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 10: good no look passes for assists. I believe had a

1300
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 10: stat line of thirteen six and five was the first

1301
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 10: time since twenty ten that if you see Bearcats freshman

1302
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 10: put up that line, first time since Sean Kirkpatrick's I

1303
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 10: believe or something like that. Yeah, that's too, that too,

1304
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 10: it was. So it's good to see that and good

1305
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 10: to see him growing a little bit there and once again,

1306
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 10: like you said, the three point shot, the looks are there,

1307
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 10: the shots that he wants to get are there, and

1308
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 10: you got to think they'll eventually go down. But like

1309
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 10: we've been discussing sometimes, you and me on press Row,

1310
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 10: it's it gets late early once you start the season

1311
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 10: six and four or possibly seven, seven and five, and

1312
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 10: you're facing a top twenty five, top thirty schedule the

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01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 10: rest of the way in what has been arguably the

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01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 10: best conference in the country so far.

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Speaker 2: How is Wes Miller handling all this? I mean, we

1316
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: see him where I see him after games, but you're

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: there at practice, you see him, you know, on conference calls,

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01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: what have? You see him a lot more than I do.

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 2: And I'm just a full disclosure. You know that I

1320
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 2: cover the games obviously, but I don't see him as

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01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: often as you do. And I'm just wondering if there's

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 2: another side of Wes that fans don't get to see

1323
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 2: as often that maybe can help people understand how Wes

1324
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 2: Miller is wired, and if maybe maybe not softer side,

1325
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: but a more relaxed side, because I think a lot

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01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: of U see fans for us, think that his teams

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: play the way he coaches tense and uptight.

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 10: I think, well, I don't know, I would kind of

1329
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 10: disagree with about the way he coaches the tense and uptights.

1330
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 10: For the most part, he's been pretty I would say,

1331
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 10: more reserved in recent years than he was. Maybe a

1332
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 10: little bit more fiery, uh in the in the beginning

1333
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 10: here you see, But overall, I would just say on

1334
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 10: the demeanor of West Miller, it's it's been difficult. It's

1335
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 10: been a difficult run. It's been a difficult up and down.

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01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 10: It feels like there's been some moments where obviously his

1337
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 10: lack of execution as a coach has has heard his

1338
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 10: teams and also just things out of his control of

1339
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 10: our teams and possibly the return of Gisel James may

1340
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 10: maybe getting back Jalen Haynes Uh It's it's a possibility.

1341
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 10: We don't know for sure if it will happen this season,

1342
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 10: but it's it's always looming out there that they could

1343
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 10: have their full team for the first time in a

1344
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 10: long time at a deep point in the season of

1345
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 10: the West Miller era. It just there's been a lot

1346
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 10: of injury that have knocked out some of their momentum

1347
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 10: throughout different parts of his seasons. But overall, I think

1348
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 10: what I've what I saw from him, especially on Thursday

1349
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 10: on Thursday after the game, was just a little bit

1350
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 10: more relaxed and maybe a little bit more of a

1351
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 10: direction thinking and knowing that there's the gigittal James Saga

1352
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 10: is maybe getting a full bow, hopefully getting a full

1353
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 10: bow wrapped on it. With him back on back on

1354
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 10: the team, you have another rotation player to work with.

1355
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 10: And there was definitely I would say a more chipper

1356
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 10: attitude from West in Uh in that showing than than

1357
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 10: what we've seen in some recent press conferences from him.

1358
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 10: So overall, when you can get a lot of your

1359
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 10: team together, it can it can really change you're you're

1360
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 10: not your attitude, but how you're feeling overall.

1361
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your outlook, I mean, certainly. And in west

1362
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: Wes's defense, okay, he mentioned early on in the season

1363
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: he did not have the full team, the full compliment

1364
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 2: that he was hoping for, and he would say he

1365
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: would start off a lot of news conferences in the

1366
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 2: non con part to the schedule, non conference schedule, saying,

1367
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, this isn't our full complement of players yet,

1368
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: and we've just got to play through it and get

1369
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,839
Speaker 2: better as a team without our full compliment. And perhaps

1370
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: with him seeing more players joining the roster and as

1371
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: in Gigsel James or more players getting healthy, I think

1372
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 2: that's going to help his disposition. And I do think

1373
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: if there's one team that could benefit from a hot

1374
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: start in conference play, it's the Bearcats. I don't think

1375
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: there's I mean, you know, I'm not breaking any huge

1376
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: news here by saying that or solving, you know, a

1377
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: nuclear physics problem, but they certainly could benefit from a

1378
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: good start in conference play, and they certainly have a

1379
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: huge game January. I think it's third right RUSS against

1380
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: Houston here in Cincinnati.

1381
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 10: Yes, I think it's either it's one of the first

1382
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 10: days of January or the last day of December. But

1383
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 10: right said, it would be great to start fast, but

1384
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 10: I don't believe. I believe West Moro is to nine

1385
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 10: or to ten all time against Houston. It's been a brutal,

1386
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 10: brutal run overall and twenty right around twenty percent hit

1387
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 10: rate in Quad one games, which Cincinnati has plenty of.

1388
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 10: This is the final Quad four game that they just

1389
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 10: had against Alabama State. A Q one game this weekend

1390
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 10: at a quasi neutral site against Clemson. It's very close

1391
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 10: to Clemson. It's great I can get Greenville, so plenty

1392
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 10: of Clemson evans will be there in attendance. But overall

1393
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 10: it's gonna be very difficult, Mike. Like as I mentioned

1394
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 10: a bove on ESPN's Basketball Power Index top it was

1395
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 10: top thirty before the Alabama State game and most difficult schedules.

1396
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,879
Speaker 10: I would guess it's top twenty five now, most difficult

1397
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 10: schedules left in the country for a team that has

1398
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 10: clearly not played like a top twenty five outfit so far,

1399
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 10: but does have a great collection of talent on paper

1400
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 10: coming into the season, and a collection of talent that

1401
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 10: they kind of melded together in the offseason, thinking that

1402
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 10: they would have the collection of players that they are

1403
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 10: so close to having, but right now sitting with four

1404
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 10: losses in non conference play, a number that Wes Miller

1405
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 10: is not used to seeing for his teams that so

1406
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 10: often might we see struggle at the point where you

1407
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 10: say they need to start fast and the doldrums of

1408
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 10: January the adults of of February cannot hit here. Maybe

1409
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 10: it'll be some shining light January while it's still gray

1410
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 10: outside in the Tri State area, and some shining life

1411
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 10: February because they get some more chemistry together with Gisel James,

1412
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 10: who most importantly reconciled with his teammates, which was the

1413
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 10: best thing to hear I think of all of it,

1414
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 10: and just the way that he responded to everything that

1415
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 10: can galvanize a team that can be enough, especially on

1416
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 10: a sport in a locker room that is that tight

1417
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 10: and that small, and a player of his caliber that maybe,

1418
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 10: having his head straight as it is right now, can

1419
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 10: let him play the most efficient best basketball possible and

1420
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 10: list them up in those moments when they just collapsed

1421
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 10: in tight, tight games down the stretch of January February

1422
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 10: over the first two years in the Big Twelve. It

1423
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 10: can't happen in those dog days of those months once again,

1424
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 10: because you've already got four losses and you're looking at

1425
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 10: needing at least a positive record in the Big Twelve

1426
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 10: right now, and probably a lot lot more if you

1427
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 10: don't beat Clemson, and even if you do beat them,

1428
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 10: probably a lot lot more.

1429
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 2: And I want to switch gears here to football real quick.

1430
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: We've got a couple of minutes Russ speaking with Russ

1431
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,839
Speaker 2: Helman covering the Bearcats for SI dot Com about Brendan

1432
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: Soresby leaving for the Portal. Where does that leave the

1433
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: football program for Scott Saderfield.

1434
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 10: It's going to be very difficult next year, Mike, especially

1435
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 10: if you look at that roster, A lot of Big

1436
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 10: Twelve contenders on that schedule and a lot of great

1437
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 10: talent expected to leave. We've only seen Brendan Soresby, obviously,

1438
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 10: in donte corleone above, major major starters exit exit the program. Obviously,

1439
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 10: dont de corleon out of elgiebuilding and go into take

1440
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 10: his talent to the NFL. And then Brendan soors be

1441
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 10: either the NFL or a different school in the transfer

1442
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 10: portal and were already struggling there. Along the defensive front,

1443
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 10: they have to, I believe, really focus in there and

1444
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 10: figure out a way to cosmore havoc, cosmore disruption up

1445
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 10: the line of scrimmage that can lead to more interceptions,

1446
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 10: more fumbles for the second and third levels of the defense.

1447
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 10: And then on the other side, you have your offensive

1448
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 10: line core coming back, which is huge. You should be

1449
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 10: able to piece together maybe only having to get one

1450
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 10: other offensive line position filled and fill the other one

1451
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 10: with some development coming up, and then you replenish the

1452
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 10: receiver weapons with whoever is not going to end up

1453
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 10: staying outside of Cyrus Allen, who spended his eligibility, I believe,

1454
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 10: and I don't believe the court case the other day

1455
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 10: that was maybe going to give him an extra one

1456
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 10: went through all the way, but I have not followed

1457
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 10: up on that one yet. Did not see any headminds

1458
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 10: that so I don't think it ended up passing. But

1459
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 10: it puts them in a really tough spot, Mike not

1460
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 10: having a player of Brendan Sorosby's caliber being as healthy

1461
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 10: as they were this season, and just fumbling issues and

1462
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 10: fumbling opportunities down the stretch in this four game losing

1463
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 10: streak and the strength of schedule difficulty next season, with

1464
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 10: the amount of talent that they lost, maybe they can

1465
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 10: replenish it. It's possible. They've done a really good job

1466
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 10: in the Transfer portal so far with Scott cuderfield staff,

1467
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 10: but it's not going to be easy and it's hard

1468
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 10: to strike lightning twice like they did with Brendan Sorosby

1469
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 10: to go seven and five with top fifteen quarterback plays.

1470
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 10: It's going to be impressive if they can get the

1471
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 10: Bowl eligibility next season with that schedule and having to

1472
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 10: go find hopefully top fifteen and you hope, most realistically

1473
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 10: top thirty, top forty quarterback play at the quarterback position

1474
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 10: out of whoever you pick in the Transfer portal coming

1475
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 10: up when it opens on January second, same day as

1476
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 10: the Liberty Bowl.

1477
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: Indeed against Navy and Russ. I'm sure you'll have that

1478
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: game covered very well for SI dot Com. Be sure

1479
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 2: to cover Russ or follow Russ Helpman for all of

1480
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: his coverage of the UC basketball Bearcats as they enter

1481
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: Big Twelve play. It's going to be a critical season,

1482
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: no doubt about it for Wes Miller and the Bearcats. Russ,

1483
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: I can't tell you thank you enough for taking time

1484
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: out on your Friday night. You got a winner. By

1485
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: the way. A prediction for tonight. Oklahoma Alabama, real.

1486
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 10: Quick, Alabama, give me the Crimson side. I think Calen

1487
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 10: Debor gets the job done in this big game, and

1488
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 10: his Big twelve coach Big not Big twelve is colas

1489
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 10: football playoff coaching experience, and it's difficult to take out

1490
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 10: a team Mike Alabama twice in one season. So I

1491
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 10: think they're able to overcome the Oklahoma defense tonight and

1492
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 10: get that there.

1493
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: He is Russ Heltman of si dot Com covering the

1494
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bearcats. On the other side of news, at the

1495
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: bottom of the hour, we will have Gabby Sorrentino talking

1496
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: all things Cincinnati Bengals on the ground in Miami. It'll

1497
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: be a fun conversation, so be sure to tune in

1498
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: for that. For now, you're listening to the RNL Carrier

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Speaker 2: Sports Talk program presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on News Radio

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW Little Joe Perry, Little Steven Tyler, Little Arrowsmith.

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Speaker 2: Heading into the final twenty three minutes of RNL Carriers

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Speaker 2: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet here on News Radio

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. It's been my privilegue Jan pleasure to

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Speaker 2: fill in for the last two hour, two and a

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Speaker 2: half hours here on the Big One for Lance McAllister.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate Lance giving me the opportunity to fill in.

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Speaker 2: I also want to give a huge shout out to

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Speaker 2: the one and only Sean McMahon doing a flawless job

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Speaker 2: getting all of our callers lined up on the air

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Speaker 2: ready to go when I go to them for our

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Speaker 2: interviews tonight. It's been a great night of guests here

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW. Richard Skinner of Local twelve talking

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Speaker 2: Bengals in the six o'clock hour. Alex Frank talking Bearcats

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Speaker 2: and University of Kentucky which has a big game tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Pat Brennan they have that game, by the way against

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Speaker 2: Saint John's in Atlanta. Pat Brennan talking all things Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Reds in the seven o'clock hour. Shelby Dermer no stradermis

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Speaker 2: as we call them, covering the Xavier Musketeers there on

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Speaker 2: the road in DC tomorrow taking on the Georgetown Hoyas.

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Speaker 2: Russ Helpman just spoke with us at eight oh eight

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Speaker 2: talking all things Cincinnati Bearcats. That's football and basketball, and

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Speaker 2: just a few moments we will be talking with Gabby Sorrentino.

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Speaker 2: She is on the ground in Miami. She will be

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Speaker 2: covering the Cincinnati Bengals Miami Dolphins contest at hard Rocks

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Speaker 2: Stadium Sunday afternoon for Fox nineteen. Right now, I want

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Speaker 2: to give you an update from the first CFP game.

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Speaker 2: The College Football Playoffs are officially underway. Number eight Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: the host team in Norman, Oklahoma, with an early seven

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Speaker 2: to nothing lead on number nine seed Alabama. So we'll

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Speaker 2: try to maybe give you an update before the end

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Speaker 2: of the program. But now it is time to move

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Speaker 2: on to our sixth and final guest here on Sports

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Speaker 2: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet, and that would be Gabby Sorrentino. Gabby,

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Speaker 2: thanks for taking time out. Have you made your way

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Speaker 2: to Miami yet? I made an assumption that you're already

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Speaker 2: on the ground. Are you there yet?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Tracks Well, thanks for having me. No, I'm at Highland

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Speaker 3: High School right now. Okay high school basketball. I am

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Speaker 3: headed there at five in the morning, so I think

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Speaker 3: I'll be pulling it all night or tonight. My Uber

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: picks me up at three this and tomorrow morning, so

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be in Miami around nine tomorrow, so

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited looking forward to it. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: nice and sunny and warm, so I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, please take time out, especially with the Bengals out

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01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,719
Speaker 2: of the playoff picture. You want to cover the game

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Speaker 2: appropriately thoroughly, which I'm sure you will do. For the

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Speaker 2: great people at Fox nineteen, Joe Danim and Jeremy Row,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you will do a fabulous bang up job

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, But please do me a favor and soak

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Speaker 2: up some of the rays tomorrow as you get yourself relaxed,

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Speaker 2: You'll do that, you promise.

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Speaker 3: Oh, if you know me, you know I love sunshine.

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01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 3: I love warm weather. So when Fox nineteen told me

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Speaker 3: that they were sending me in this game, I said,

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01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 3: well it was moved to one. It's not sunny night

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01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,839
Speaker 3: football anymore, so can I get there a little earlier

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Speaker 3: on Saturday? And They're like, of course, going to a

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Speaker 3: eighty degree so I will definitely be getting some vitamin

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Speaker 3: D protract don't worry about.

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Speaker 2: That, all right, You and me are around the Bengals

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Speaker 2: all the time. And the last two weeks have been unusual,

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Speaker 2: to say the very least. This is your second year

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Speaker 2: on the beat covering the Bengals for Fox nineteen, and

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Speaker 2: it's been a stressful, strenuous period, not only for Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 2: but Joe Burrow and a lot of the players in

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Speaker 2: that locker room. But Joe Burrow, everybody's got an opinion

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Speaker 2: on what his comments have meant over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks about how he thinks about his future in

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati next year going forward. What were your takeaways the

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Speaker 2: last ten days from Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say just being here for my second

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Speaker 3: season now. I think that everything that Joe Burrow says

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Speaker 3: publicly is very strategic, and I learned that a lot

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Speaker 3: last off season during super Bowl Week when he was

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Speaker 3: saying all these things about he and Jamar and Trey,

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Speaker 3: and I think that he says things really purposefully. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 3: no one in the NFL really can say where they're

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Speaker 3: gonna be long term past their contract links, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I understand why he would say that he doesn't know,

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Speaker 3: and he's gonna have to think about some things. Of

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Speaker 3: course he is, because he has to do what's right

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Speaker 3: for him in the long run. He's I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Like last week's press conference, I was sitting there and

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Speaker 3: I was like, I've never been in a Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: press conference like this, and it was just really strange.

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Speaker 3: And you know, this week it felt like a little

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Speaker 3: more normal. I got there on the back ends. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't there for the whole thing. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's been it's been really interesting. I

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Speaker 3: think you can tell that he's upset with how this

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Speaker 3: season has gone. Of course, of course he wants to

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Speaker 3: be out there whinning. They want to be playing meaningful

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Speaker 3: games and they're not. And it's really been showing in

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Speaker 3: his demeanor of the past two weeks.

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Speaker 2: I agree, And you know, obviously he's disappointed. And I

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Speaker 2: think where maybe we read too much into it is

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Speaker 2: where we think that he was told something by the

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Speaker 2: front office. And he very well may have been told

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Speaker 2: something by the front office, but to jump from Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow is depressed, confused, short with the media, and very

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Speaker 2: you know, it's the word I'm looking for, mysterious with

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Speaker 2: the reporters at these press conferences to the team obviously

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Speaker 2: told him they're not going to do anything in the

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Speaker 2: off season. I just think that's a bridge too far

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Speaker 2: to cross it at this stage in the game, especially

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Speaker 2: when we haven't even gotten to the off season yet, right.

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I completely agree. Mysterious is definitely like the

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Speaker 3: perfect word. Like it has just seemed weird. There's been

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Speaker 3: a weird vibe and a weird energy on Wednesdays when

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Speaker 3: Joe's at the podium the last two weeks, and it's

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Speaker 3: you know, like I said, I've only been here this

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Speaker 3: my second season, but there was nothing like that last

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Speaker 3: season that I can remember. So it's been really interesting

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Speaker 3: these last two weeks. And I mean, you know, what

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Speaker 3: are the next two weeks going to hold on Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow's crest commonses. I'm not sure. It seems like we

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Speaker 3: were blindsided in a national headline that comes out every Wednesday.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Fox nineteen is the official television station in terms

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Speaker 2: of coverage of the Cincinnati Bengals. And I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to put you in an uncomfortable position here, That's not

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Speaker 2: why I'm asking this question, but I'm curious in that position,

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Speaker 2: have you heard anything from the front office, anybody in

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Speaker 2: the organization about a change in their approach how they're feel.

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Speaker 2: Do you get a vibe of that, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Fox nineteen does have a higher position in their working

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Speaker 2: professional relationship with the franchise than a lot of other

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Speaker 2: media here in town.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be one hundred percent honest. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that we get anything that other stations, other reporters are

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Speaker 3: getting in terms of that. Obviously, we have the live

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Speaker 3: show that we do, and we have other partnership things

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Speaker 3: that we get, but in terms of getting news and

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Speaker 3: stouth from the front office, we're not getting anything special

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Speaker 3: from that. So we haven't gotten anything in that sense

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Speaker 3: of being the TV partner and getting any special treatment.

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Speaker 2: What have you enjoyed the most about watching Jamar Chase

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Speaker 2: hold press conferences, play football? Anything about Jamar Because I

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01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 2: think he is a unicorn and Zach Taylor has used

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Speaker 2: this term to describe him and Kyle Hamilton and others

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01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But Jamar Chase is a unicorn and

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01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 2: he is one of the one of one. What do

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Speaker 2: you enjoy the most about watching him, covering him and

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Speaker 2: just getting a chance to talk to him?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well talking to him. His laugh literally brings through

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Speaker 3: a to my Thursdays when he's sitting at the podium

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01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 3: and he does the Jamar laugh, which I cannot imitate.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Rowd does a great job that just like makes

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Speaker 3: my day. I love that he has this balance of

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Speaker 3: being serious talking football. He has so much football knowledge

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01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: that he brings to the podium on Thursdays, so then

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01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 3: we can have so much fun with Jamar Chase. And

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Speaker 3: I think that that's what I love the most is

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01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 3: you get that really balance with him of Okay, let's

1657
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 3: talk football, let's talk the game, and then we're talking

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Speaker 3: about lucky terms and we're talking about all these random

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01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 3: things and Thursday night football with him, and he has

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Speaker 3: fun with the reporters and he has fun with everybody

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Speaker 3: in the room. So I think when it comes to

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Speaker 3: covering him, I love that balance that we have with him.

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Speaker 3: Watching our case, I mean it's incredible. Obviously you said it,

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01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 3: he's a unicorn. Every time he touches the ball, you

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01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 3: think that something. You think something can happen, even if

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01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 3: there are three guys on him, even if it looks

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01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 3: like he's gonna get tackle, he slips out of it

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01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 3: and he makes a big play with all of the dyak.

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Speaker 3: You know I did, like I think someone in his

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Speaker 3: press conference ass you know, it's been a long time

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01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 3: since he's scored a touchdown. I was thinking about that

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01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 3: the other day because I was like, man, it seems

1673
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 3: like it's been a minute since we've seen a gritty

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01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 3: in the end zone. Maybe that'll come in Miami. But

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Speaker 3: I think that he is such a fun player to watch,

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01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 3: to cover. To get to see in person what he

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01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 3: can do on the football field has been really amazing

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Speaker 3: for me. Of course, I remember watching him when he

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01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 3: was playing at LSU, so now to get to see

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Speaker 3: him in person and be around him all the time

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01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 3: is really cool. And even getting to see all of

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Speaker 3: his shoe collection in the locker room is always something

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01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 3: he's never looks forward to, because seems like it's growing

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01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 3: every single time that we're in their tracks.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how long it's been since he scored

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01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: his last touchdown? And we asked him and he was

1687
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 2: not even aware of this.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I remember what someone said in the

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Speaker 3: press conference.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible. I was shocked by this. Yes, very good.

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Speaker 2: Back on October sixteenth and the thirty three thirty one

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Speaker 2: win over the Steelers, that's the last time Jamar Chase

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01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 2: scored a touchdown. He is leading the NFL in receptions

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01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: with one hundred and one. He is leading the NFL

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01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: in yards at eleven forty seven, but he will not

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Speaker 2: win the triple crown this year. He has only five touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Part of that is because of the way teams have

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Speaker 2: covered him this year, double clouds with t Higgins and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: The other part of it is Joe Burrow missed ten weeks,

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Speaker 2: So I mean, let's be fair, and that's not a

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01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 2: slide on Jake Browning per se, nor is it a

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01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 2: slight on Joe Flacco. It's just let's be honest and

1703
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 2: let's say what it is. The Bengals have struggled this year.

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01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 2: That's one factor, and the fact that Joe Burrow has

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01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 2: missed so much time is the other. But I just

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01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 2: one thing about Jamar, and I don't think people really

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Speaker 2: appreciate this. When he goes into these press conferences, he

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Speaker 2: usually jokes with Emily Parker, the public relations director, Emily,

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01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: let's keep it to like ten eleven minutes this time, please,

1710
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 2: And he just keeps going and going and going, and

1711
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 2: he sits up on the dais on the podium very patiently,

1712
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 2: and you look down and he's been up there eighteen

1713
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: nineteen minutes. And to me, that's kind of the charm

1714
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 2: of Jamar Chase is that he'll just keep talking and

1715
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 2: he won't be unpleasant about it. And I think that's

1716
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: we understand what happened in Pittsburgh. That was an outlier

1717
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 2: of beyond all outliers. It was terrible. It was a

1718
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 2: moment he regrets. He wished he could go back in

1719
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 2: the time machine and not do that, Jalen Ramsey, but

1720
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 2: it happened. But that aside, he's shown great leadership quality

1721
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 2: this year. He was the one when Joe Burrow was

1722
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 2: out with that injury, with the turf toe injury and

1723
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 2: the corresponding surgery, he had to answer for all of

1724
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 2: those bad losses to the Jets, to the Bears. Certainly

1725
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: they lost to Detroit without Joe Burrow, they lost at

1726
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 2: Green Bay without Joe Burrow, and Joe Flacco's first game.

1727
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,799
Speaker 2: He was the one standing up taking all the answers,

1728
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 2: taking all the questions.

1729
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 3: I should say, yep, yep, yeah. And I have seen,

1730
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,560
Speaker 3: you know this year with his captain and everything that

1731
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 3: when we go in there in the locker room and

1732
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: ask him. You've seen obviously that he has been upset

1733
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 3: with the outcome, right, but he still stands there. He

1734
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 3: answers every question. Professionally. He is a leader on this team.

1735
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 3: It's really been cool to watch the difference between you know,

1736
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: last season him. I really feel like he stepped up

1737
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 3: really into that leadership all and like you said, with

1738
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow going down, he even had to do that

1739
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 3: even more. But it has felt like a lifetime since

1740
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 3: that pick. For so, I think that Jamar is due

1741
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 3: to fying the end zone on Sunday. I don't know.

1742
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 3: I feel like it's going to happen.

1743
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think that. I think Joe Burrow

1744
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 2: and Zach Taylor even joked about it this morning with

1745
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 2: us in a meeting with the Beat reporters that Joe

1746
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 2: Burrow was only I think forty yards away from twenty

1747
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 2: twenty thousand would be the fifth fastest quarterback to that

1748
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: plateau in NFL history. So I think that's going to

1749
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 2: happen obviously, one way or another. And I think Jamar

1750
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Chase getting a touchdown, getting him off the schneid is

1751
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 2: certainly something that's got to be on the priority list

1752
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: one thing, and we only have a couple of minutes

1753
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 2: left here. Gabby speaking with Gabby Sorrentino of Fox nineteen

1754
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 2: covering the Bengals. When you do your interviews in midweek,

1755
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 2: what do you enjoy the most when you have a

1756
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 2: player off campus, as they say, at a restaurant or

1757
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: wherever you are. What do you enjoy the most about

1758
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 2: interviewing those players?

1759
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 3: You're talking like at our Bengals Now show.

1760
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 2: Your Bengals Now Show, Yes, which I think you guys

1761
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 2: do a great job. That's why I want to ask

1762
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 2: you about that program because I believe there's a hero

1763
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 2: image on your ex page of you sitting down with

1764
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 2: Mike Gasicki and I'm trying to think on the other side,

1765
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, but anyway, yes, there we go. What

1766
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 2: do you enjoy the most about that.

1767
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 3: Man? It has been so fun because of course we

1768
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 3: talk football with the guys, but we get to know

1769
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 3: their personality so much. We have seen Higgins singing up

1770
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 3: on the stage, and let me tell you, he has

1771
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 3: an incredible voice. We have heard so many amazing rookie

1772
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 3: talent show stories, fun frank story. I mean, we have

1773
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 3: gotten so many fun stories out of these guys, so

1774
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 3: many fun moments. Tanner Hudson that day. I play a

1775
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 3: trivia game with the guys up on the stage every week,

1776
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 3: and that was what that picture was from, and it

1777
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 3: was all about Cincinnati. So I was quizzing Tanner and

1778
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 3: Mike about questions on Cincinnni and I asked them what's

1779
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 3: the name of the famous hippo at the Cincinnati Do

1780
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 3: And Tanner Hudson looks at me with all the confidence

1781
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 3: in the world and goes Big South and everybody in

1782
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 3: the crowd is dying because he thought that the hippo's

1783
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 3: name was Big Sally. It's Fiona. And just moments like

1784
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 3: that have been so fun. We've did it a little

1785
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 3: different this season where we try to have two new

1786
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 3: guests on every week instead of having one guy that

1787
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 3: comes on every week and they bring a guest. So

1788
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 3: we have had so many players and we still have

1789
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 3: more coming on in the next two weeks. But it's

1790
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 3: been really cool getting to hear some stories, getting to

1791
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 3: learn about these guys families, their upbringing. Yeah, it's amazing

1792
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 3: and definitely if you have the chance to watch, watch

1793
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 3: because you learn so much more about them. Off the

1794
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,800
Speaker 3: football field than you probably would ever learn if you

1795
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 3: weren't at the show or watching it on.

1796
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 4: Our streaming platforms.

1797
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 2: All right, what do you have in store leading up

1798
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 2: to the game on Sunday on Fox nineteen, we.

1799
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 3: Will have It's not on our channel, so we won't

1800
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 3: have our pregame show, but Bengals Weekly will be on

1801
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 3: Fox nineteen as it is every week. And then of

1802
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 3: course I'll be in Miami. Really, all of our stuff

1803
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,759
Speaker 3: happens after the game, so we'll have forty five minutes

1804
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 3: of Bengals coverage starting at eleven fifteen and going to midnight,

1805
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 3: we have Bengals Breakdown. That's thirty minutes of all Bengals,

1806
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 3: the guys breaking down in studio.

1807
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 4: I will be.

1808
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 3: At Miami doing my report, So yeah, we'll have a

1809
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,719
Speaker 3: lot of Bengals coverage from the game. And of course,

1810
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 3: you know, I know, I understand that the game doesn't matter,

1811
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 3: but we'll don't give it all to you. We'll break

1812
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 3: it down lock over. I'm really excited to.

1813
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 4: Get to do this game.

1814
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 2: Safe travels to Miami. She is Gabby Sorrentino. Thank you

1815
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 2: so much for joining me. Please sleep fast, sleep well,

1816
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: get ready for that trip to Miami Beach. Gabby, thanks

1817
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 2: so much for taking time out. You got it, Gabby.

1818
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week. All right. This has

1819
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 2: been the RNL Carrier sports talk program, presented by Kelsey

1820
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 2: Chevrolet on news radio seven hundred w l W