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Speaker 1: We were just discussing on the show Immigrations and Customs

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Speaker 1: enforcement in Minneapolis. Minneapolis man baby may or mom Jeans

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Speaker 1: Jacob Fry issuing an executive order to not allow ICE

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Speaker 1: to use public parking spaces. Also Cinny clowncil person Jamal

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Speaker 1: Osmon calling Trump a racist, islamophobic individual, all kinds of

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Speaker 1: the horrible ists and isms, and then turning around and

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Speaker 1: inviting Trump, through the goodness of his heart, to Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: to see what's going on firsthand.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you would do that.

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Speaker 3: Is this the same Jamal Osmond whose brother Libmann Osmon

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Speaker 3: made YouTube videos of him collecting votes and filling out

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Speaker 3: voter bellots prior to an election.

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Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, I'm throwing you prosecuted for voter fraud. I'll

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Speaker 2: give you the answer. Yes, yes, it is.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, John.

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Speaker 5: I keep hearing about demonizing a whole.

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Speaker 2: Community and rounding up a community.

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Speaker 6: And I'm pretty sure that ICE is picking people out

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Speaker 6: individually from their immigration status.

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Speaker 2: That is their job.

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Speaker 6: They're not rounding up a block of sallies and putting

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Speaker 6: them all into a patty van.

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Speaker 1: This is absurd, No, but that's the idea that they

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Speaker 1: want to perpetuate. That's absolutely the idea that they That's

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Speaker 7: John, This is horrible.

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Speaker 6: They're just randomly grabbing people and asking them for IDs.

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Speaker 8: How are married women.

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Speaker 2: Not going to get they can't get ideas? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: this is terrible.

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Speaker 7: Guys.

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Speaker 2: You guys are on a roll this morning.

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Speaker 1: Friend of the show kW And this is why I

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Speaker 1: call him friend of the show because he leaves relevant,

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Speaker 1: worthwhile comments.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even I'm not being sarcastic here. He does.

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Speaker 1: He may not agree with me politically, but he's rational.

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Speaker 1: In his commentary, good morning.

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Speaker 9: This is k W also known as Kenneth the Menace

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Speaker 9: from the Great City of Minneapolis, a local activist of

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Speaker 9: politicians are cultivating unnecessary fear in our community regarding Ice.

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Speaker 9: We welcome Ice. The reasons why because we have nothing

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Speaker 9: to hide. We are a welcoming city. Come on, Ice,

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Speaker 9: come in, do what you have to do because we

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Speaker 9: have nothing to hide. Make it a great day, everybody,

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Speaker 9: and don't fear Ice. Ice is your friend.

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Speaker 2: Do you make a great point. You make a great point, and.

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Speaker 1: It pushes back to directly on the commentary coming from

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Speaker 1: the left, coming from Democrats, regarding what's taking place. One

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Speaker 1: of all of this is, you know, most individuals from

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Speaker 1: the Samali community are here legally, and yet in the

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Speaker 1: same breath they're complaining that Trump is arbitrarily going and

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Speaker 1: targeting the Samali community. Well, if they're here legally, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing to worry about. If you're being honest, Ice is

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Speaker 1: carrying out actions based off of lawful orders that they

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Speaker 1: If what you say is true, you have nothing to fear.

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Speaker 1: But you're not going to see that coming. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to see that commentary coming from Democrats. It's not

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Speaker 1: politically advantageous for them to go and do so. I

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Speaker 5: However, I think we need to get it out there

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Speaker 5: that the police must not follow illegal orders otherwise, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's a great to that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I predicted that this story here is about to get

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Speaker 1: This was first brought to my attention on x from

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota House GOP rapid response x account. They posted

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's record breaking eighteen billion dollar serrplus from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: this is what the House gop A rapid response post said.

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Speaker 1: When Walls announced last year that he and the DFL

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Speaker 1: Stop just really quick. If I had a larger team.

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Speaker 1: This is no offense to Devin at all. I know

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Speaker 1: you can handle it. I just don't want to make

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Speaker 2: I'm a talk show host. You can do this to

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Speaker 2: me as well, but beat it is it may.

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Speaker 1: I want to take walls in his commentary and just

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry decisions mate. I want to thank our legislative leaders,

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Speaker 10: who you'll hear from here. Shortly. We made a decision

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Speaker 10: You also saw from this presentation. Look, it's pretty inescapable.

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Speaker 10: That's what's driving the spending, is what we've seen, and

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Speaker 1: One year ago, Walls explicitly says when trying to explain

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Speaker 1: We'll be giving back to the taxpayer because they didn't

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Speaker 1: been identified as being at high risk for fraud. That's

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Speaker 2: Have been waiting for that one to pop up.

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Speaker 1: I know there are others out there, especially those over

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Speaker 1: Audio to Share. Eighteen billion turned into a deficit, and

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Speaker 1: Walls in twenty twenty four, one year ago said it

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Speaker 1: was because of an increase in disability waiver funding, and

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Speaker 1: now we learn that they are at high risk for fraud.

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Speaker 1: This is the next big one that's going to break

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Speaker 1: in regards to the stories that are being talked about nationwide,

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Speaker 8: Now you pay attention, the story is dying. This a

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Speaker 1: He goes, there's a news cycle and they move on

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Speaker 1: the news is desperate to go and talk about something.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into more of this next and we'll get

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Speaker 1: to some of your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app here

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Speaker 1: on Twinsday's News Talk. DHS freezes new home and community

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Speaker 1: that we've heard over and over and over. These disability

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Speaker 1: one of the largest deficits in state history. As we

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Speaker 1: An internal memo dated December third and obtained by Alpha

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Speaker 1: News at DHS is slamming the brakes on one of

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Speaker 1: the state's fastest growing sectors, home and community based services.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about adult day care services, individualize home supports,

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Speaker 5: Let me guess the transportation services you're talking about is

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Speaker 11: The time and always wonder about it.

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Speaker 2: They're usually a smiley driver with nobody in the bus.

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Speaker 2: I bet you that's what it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: No idea, no idea if that's the case at all,

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Speaker 1: Hey without having confirmation or speculation on that front.

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Speaker 11: John, it's not really hard to see where the fraud

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Speaker 11: So when they start pulling the list, it's going to

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Speaker 1: So what is a two four five D license? Okay,

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Speaker 1: to open a home or community based service business in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that's specifically said.

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Speaker 1: These missinesses are meant to provide services, which is daily

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Speaker 1: living support, independent living skills training, behavior support, adult foster care,

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Speaker 1: and in home supervision. Over the past few years, the

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Speaker 1: number of licensed applications has exploded, with thousands of new

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Speaker 1: companies seeking to enter the HCBS market, the state's network

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Speaker 1: of home and community based disability care providers. Many of

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Speaker 1: these new providers, according to the reporting at Alphanews, are

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Speaker 1: set to be Somali run and according to state workers

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Speaker 1: familiar with the industry who spoke with alphan News, the

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Speaker 1: two year moratorium will begin on January first of next

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Speaker 1: Under the freeze, the agency will stop accepting new applications

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Speaker 1: for the two forty five D licenses, stop adding new

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Speaker 8: This is what DHS.

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Speaker 1: Should have been doing all along when they saw the

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Speaker 1: the number of Minnesotan's actually receiving the HCBS waiver services.

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Speaker 1: Waiver participants grew to just twenty four point seven percent,

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Speaker 1: Nisk setting their record straight on fraud here in Minnesota

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Speaker 12: Republican Minnesota State Representative Harry nisk It's going to see

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Speaker 12: if sir failed VP candidate. Governor Walls there explains his

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Speaker 12: It's not the fact that his lax policies have led

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Speaker 13: What say you, Well, that's just absurd and ridiculous and

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Speaker 13: it should be embarrassing to anybody to say something like that.

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Speaker 13: Tim Wallas hasn't put anyone in jail. Federal prosecutors in

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls and.

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Speaker 13: The people that work for him have just continued to allow.

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Speaker 13: Billions and billions of dollars of our tax dollars, of

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Speaker 13: And it's embarrassing. He should be embarrassed, but instead he's

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Speaker 1: And what's even more embarrassing or ely should be embarrassing,

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Speaker 10: Well, aren't people going to abuse the program? How disrespectful

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Speaker 10: to people to assume that all Minnesotans are scamming. That's

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Speaker 10: what I hear from them all the time. I trust Minnesotans.

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Speaker 10: I believe in Minnesotans. I believe they know you're not

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Speaker 2: You're not going to stop here.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about paid family league, but leave. But his

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Speaker 1: And again, I'd love to know who are these people

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Speaker 1: that he's hearing from that says all of Minnesotan's are

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Speaker 6: Bird, John, the hypocrisy of Walls knows snow bonds. I

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Speaker 6: remember he didn't trust us to make the right decisions

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Speaker 6: Didn't trust us to make the right decisions. Then what's

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Speaker 2: Goodn't wait?

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Speaker 4: John rich So Yes, Tim Waltz is right in the

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Speaker 4: fact you can trust Minnesotans. The Rocks and Colors. People

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Speaker 4: It's the people that have moved here from Somalia that

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Speaker 4: represent one percent in our committing seventy three percent of

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Speaker 4: the fraud Minnesota. Yes, Tim, you're right.

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Speaker 14: Tim Walls at it again. He wants to put blind

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Speaker 14: You'd think after billions of dollars being fraudulently stolen from

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into more of this coming up

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Speaker 1: Kulikan has an editorial in the Minnesota Reformer. First step

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Speaker 1: for Walls, take responsibility. This is a really good example

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Speaker 1: of a broken clock being right twice a day. I'll

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Speaker 1: to my attention from the Minnesota House GOP rapid response

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Speaker 1: x account was Minnesota's record breaking eighteen billion dollar surplus

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three stolen by fraudsters. Governor Walls seems

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Speaker 10: Made I want to thank our legislative leaders, who you'll

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Speaker 10: hear from here. Shortly, we made a decision to leave

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Speaker 10: And inside of those areas, there's two areas where most

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Speaker 10: We talked about that last time. We talked about it coming.

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Speaker 10: This has happened over decades as its growth and you

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Speaker 1: So but has it really happened over decades or did

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Speaker 2: Actually no, it was. It was two years.

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Speaker 1: Applications went up two hundred and eighty three percent. So

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Speaker 1: I do wonder when it comes special needs that needs

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Speaker 1: they announced they're implementing a moratorium on all new licenses

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Speaker 1: that makes it sound like that eighteen billion dollar surplus

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Speaker 1: News acknowledges that DHS is doing nothing with my fingers,

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Speaker 1: not funded at a level to process the growing backlog

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Speaker 1: They could deal with all of that, but they can't

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Speaker 1: that means they probably are fraudulent. Even after hiring additional licensers.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, annual review workloads nearly doubled from

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Speaker 1: not disclose the demographic or ownership breakdowns of the surge,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you can probably just check the names.

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Speaker 5: Are they going to then turn their energy towards auditing

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Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine.

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Speaker 7: H morning, John, And he talks about people not getting

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Speaker 7: rich off of our programs. Is that all it's going

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Speaker 7: to take is go ahead steal from us? Just don't

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Speaker 15: Rich Tim Walls, you're not a been assault and you

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Speaker 15: don't understand us. You're from Nebraska. You fled here because

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Speaker 15: you got in trouble with the law out Nebraska, with

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Speaker 15: your dui and your drunkenness. So don't sit up there

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Speaker 15: and tell us what we are and what we feel

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Speaker 15: and what we do. You have no idea us rocks

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Speaker 15: and cows. People are much more genders than you are.

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Speaker 15: And we do it out of the kindness of our hearts,

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Speaker 15: not at the point of a gun because government tells

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Speaker 1: Wow, might drop on that one Minnesota reformer. What's the

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Speaker 1: other side saying? How is how are supporters to governor

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls? How are they dealing with all of this attention?

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Speaker 1: We look at Minnesota reformer first step Walls take responsibility.

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Speaker 1: This is written by and we've covered him before, Bias

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Speaker 1: Demonstrates once again that one a broken clock is right

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Speaker 1: twice a day, and two Walls is in trouble. If

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Speaker 1: this guy is criticizing, but he does what he always does.

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Speaker 1: He criticizes, he's honest about it, gives a good assessment

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna share it with you.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, ask to Sunday my hosts of Christian Welker if

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Speaker 1: he takes responsibility for a widespread fraud discovered in some

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Speaker 1: of the Minnesota social services programs, Walls answered, I take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for putting people in jail. Governors don't get to

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Speaker 1: just talk theoretically, we have to solve problems. It means

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Speaker 1: nothing he will notice, not just some mollie's meaning the

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Speaker 1: fraud taking place. So thanks for pointing that there's a

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Speaker 1: as well. It's true, but the majority is done by

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Speaker 1: the smaller community. By the way, he doesn't you know,

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Speaker 1: he says he takes responsibility for putting people in jail.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, but he hasn't done anything.

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Speaker 1: He didn't put anybody in jail. That was former Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Attorney US Attorney Joe Thompson. And as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: with Keith Ellison, who we will get to here in

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Speaker 1: just a moment, did put a fraudster away. It was

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Speaker 1: an activist j just let him go, and she needs

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Speaker 1: to be investigated to find out why in the world

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Speaker 1: she went and let that husband and wife operation that

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Speaker 1: we're convicted by a jury of fraud go. He also

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Speaker 1: mentions the triple A bond rating. But that attracts criminals,

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Speaker 1: says Walls. Those people are going to jail. We're doing

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Speaker 1: everything we can, but to demonize an entire community on

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Speaker 1: the actions of a few, it's lazy.

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Speaker 2: So J.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Culikan then says, start from the bottom. Do fraudsters

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Speaker 1: seek out states with triple A bond ratings? Kulikan says,

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Speaker 1: I have trouble picturing a couple of scammers pouring over

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Speaker 1: the SMP bond ratings, looking at each other and saying

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Speaker 1: we must go north. He's right, especially since our fraud

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Speaker 1: problem is homegrown. He's right again. Also, it's a real

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Speaker 1: shame that being a well run state attracts fraud per

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Speaker 1: Walls sort of puts it in a difficult BND. Do

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Speaker 1: we want a well run state? If we do, I

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Speaker 1: guess we're inviting fraud. Bummer hat tip to J. Patrick

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Speaker 1: Hoolick in so far he's hitting the nail on the head.

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Speaker 1: At the start of his answer, Walls takes responsibility for

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Speaker 1: putting people in jail. It's an interesting assertion. The federal government,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, of both Democrat and Republican administrations have

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Speaker 1: charged more than eighty people with stealing from food to

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Speaker 1: aid and medicaid programs. What would Walls's role be in

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Speaker 1: sending people to federal prison after federal prosecutions? Now, his

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Speaker 1: spokesperson sent j Patrick Houlick in this statement, prosecutions don't

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Speaker 1: materialize out of thin air.

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Speaker 8: The Department of Human Services does.

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Speaker 1: Extensive investigative working collaboration with federal prosecutors, and the governor

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Speaker 1: has created a specialized law enforcement fraud unit, the Bureau

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Speaker 1: of Criminal Apprehension. The executive's job is to assist law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and prosecutors in every possible way, not to undermine

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Speaker 1: their work by pardoning fraudsters. Okay, so Walls's governor, that's

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Speaker 1: basically it. So because DHS worked with the individuals that

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Speaker 1: actually charged a convicted the people, they're trying to go

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Speaker 1: and take credit saying that I put those people in jail,

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Speaker 1: but he really didn't. The last bit is a swipe

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Speaker 1: at President Donald Trump, writes Kuligan, who has declared amnesty

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Speaker 1: for just about every white collar criminal in America. And

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Speaker 1: never forget the sixteen hundred insurrectionists. Remember the broken clock

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Speaker 1: is right twice a day. He's still a broken clock.

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Speaker 1: And he hates Trump.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder what j.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Coulikin has to say of Trump pardoning Democrat Henry

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Speaker 1: Quaar just out of curiosity.

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Speaker 8: He goes on to right.

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Speaker 1: But to call the recent efforts tardy is vastly understating it.

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Speaker 1: When The Reformer reported in two thousand and four that

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Speaker 1: the FBI was investigating autism centers on the suspicion of

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Speaker 1: phony building, a DHS assistant commissioner waved us off when

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Speaker 1: we asked about the explosive growth of the program, which

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Speaker 1: seemingly should have raised red flags.

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Speaker 8: They said this, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: We are surprised or particularly disturbed by the rate of growth. Again,

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Speaker 1: that was a DHS official saying that, and those programs

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Speaker 1: have now turned out to be fraudulent.

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Speaker 8: She also told us.

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Speaker 1: The growth was pretty consistent with other DHS programs such

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Speaker 1: as Housing and Stabilization Services, which is pretty funny in retrospect,

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Speaker 1: considering that program was still riddled with fraud that Walls

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Speaker 1: had to move to shut it down this summer. I

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Speaker 1: believe it was stated that it was one hundred percent fraudulent,

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Speaker 1: like no dollars were spent on legitimate means in the

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Speaker 1: HSS program in the spring of twenty twenty five. Even

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Speaker 1: as February stars Rebunes Report raised to questions about the

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Speaker 1: potential for fraud and the Housing Stability Program, Walls's budget

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Speaker 1: request included funding for additional DHS positions to keep up

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Speaker 1: with the exclusive growth of the program. You see, and

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Speaker 1: that's the excuse they're using now in halting the light

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Speaker 1: the long term care disability waivers. Oh, we don't have

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Speaker 1: enough manpower, guys, we have to halt it. That's not

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Speaker 1: the reason why. It's just an excuse, just like it

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Speaker 1: was an excuse back then when they made it. Though,

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Speaker 1: they're halting it because it's fraudulent and they don't want

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Speaker 1: to be upfront about it. Right now, where it could,

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Speaker 1: DHS moved to speed up the processing times and let

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Speaker 1: more individuals into the program. A defense lawyer for some

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Speaker 1: of the defendants in various fraud cases recently told The

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Speaker 1: New York Times that it was all so easy. They

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Speaker 1: figured out it must be okay.

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Speaker 2: To steal.

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Speaker 1: No one was doing anything about the red flags. It

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Speaker 1: was like someone was stealing money from the cookie jar

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Speaker 1: and they just kept refilling it. That doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: intensive investigations to me, writes J.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Hooligan.

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Speaker 1: As a result of this mess, in Minnesota's reputation for

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Speaker 1: clean government and business has been badly damaged. Now the

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Speaker 1: whole thing is about to go off the rails, and

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Speaker 1: I'll share this with you in just a moment. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to a few of your comments first though. Here

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Speaker 1: on Twin City's News Talk.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, gentlemen, random guy from Rocks and Cow's Land

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Speaker 15: otherwise known as Greater Minnesota. Yeah, that judge that overturned

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Speaker 15: the jury's ruling, is she like twelve years old? There

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Speaker 15: ain't no way she's got enough legal experience, knowledge or

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Speaker 15: life experience to be sitting on any kind of a bench.

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Speaker 15: She probably got her degree from Brown back when that

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Speaker 15: was still a thing here in the cities. If you

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Speaker 15: know anything about that debacle, I have a good one.

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Speaker 5: Well, looks like we're in Locke because our bond rating

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Speaker 5: got dropped to double A.

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Speaker 1: Yep, sure did J. Patrick hoolikin wraps on this as worrisome.

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Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of some all the Americans who happened

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Speaker 1: to have the same ancestral background as most of the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota scammers but nothing else in common, have been slandered

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Speaker 1: by Trump and his cronies, and now the community will

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Speaker 1: face the terror of ice. They just keep tossing out

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Speaker 1: that accusation, zero relevant examples, by the way, but it

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Speaker 1: all started with the Walls administration steckless failures. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: he's back to doing the right thing. Unfortunately, Trump and

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Speaker 1: the Internet have ushered in a political era of brazing

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 8: Of brazening it out.

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Speaker 1: Never apologize, never take responsibility, Spew whatever argo bargle comes

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Speaker 1: to your mind, attack, repeat. This behavior should be familiar

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Speaker 1: to Walls, a former geography teacher and football coach. Is

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Speaker 1: the behavior of adolescence, and it's consumed our entire political

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Speaker 1: medio system, media system. So wait, now it's suddenly Trump

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Speaker 1: and the Internet's fault. See, guys, they're bad too. If

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Speaker 1: they can't leave it as well enough, you just can't.

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Speaker 1: This is what TDS does to you. Even when you're

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Speaker 1: going and doing the right thing and you're being rational,

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Speaker 1: you still have to go and slam Trump and make

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Speaker 1: it all about it.

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Speaker 2: They have what's called a Trump derangement problem. Have you

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Speaker 2: heard about that problem?

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Speaker 1: Then, he says, to his credit, Walls's love of Minnesotan's

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Speaker 1: and Minnesota is that of a convert, ardent and true.

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Speaker 1: So he should consider respecting our intelligence and coming clean

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Speaker 1: about hey and key people in his administration failed us.

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Speaker 1: If he's unwilling to do so, then maybe it's time

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Speaker 1: for a courageous Democrat to consider.

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Speaker 8: A primary challenge.

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Speaker 1: That's right, guys, Walls's love of Minnesota and Minnesotan's is

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Speaker 1: ardent and true.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't give him too hard of a time.

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Speaker 10: I'm ready to get beat.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for hanging out on the show

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Speaker 1: this morning. If you missed any portion of the broadcast,

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Speaker 1: be sure you check out the podcast available on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. Use the preset function, make us number one

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: App tomorrow and studio.

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Speaker 1: Catherine Johnson from American Experiment RNC committed in ak Kamara

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Speaker 1: Representative Walter Hudson as well, have yourself a fantastic Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: Back