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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: A good morning, Fan Outdoors. Faithful and you have to

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Speaker 2: be faithful this morning. By goodness, gosh, golly almighty. Oh,

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Speaker 2: if there ever was a day for long John's yesterday

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Speaker 2: and today it is. And I'm just saying, when he

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Speaker 2: gets a certain cold, who the heck cares how much

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Speaker 2: colder it is? My numbers, It don't make any difference,

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. What's that threshold number for you

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Speaker 2: where you are throw your hands up in the air,

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Speaker 2: about sixty degrees? Yeah, cap, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I ask you this every year and the answer is

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Speaker 3: always the same. You're thinking about taking like a little

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Speaker 3: snowbird trips out, Just throw another log on the fire

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Speaker 3: and complain about it.

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Speaker 2: I will, you know, I get the same reaction if

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Speaker 2: I complain is if I don't complain, big deal, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I kind of stay.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: My grandson came down. He was at the house here

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Speaker 2: yesterday all day. He and his sister, so Jack came down,

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Speaker 2: pulled sat next to me where the dogs are usually sitting. Papa,

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Speaker 2: do you ever go upstairs? And how did you answer,

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Speaker 2: young Jack? I said, well, yeah, sometimes I go up

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Speaker 2: to eat and I have to cook. If I have

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Speaker 2: to get some wood from outside for the stove, then

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Speaker 2: I go upstairs.

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Speaker 5: You sleep upstairs sometimes, so sometimes you sleep downstairs.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I wake up downstairs. Okay, you know it's uh,

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Speaker 2: but honest, the good if sometimes I just don't want

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Speaker 2: I can I can imagine it's nice and warm outside.

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Speaker 2: But then you let the dogs out to go to

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Speaker 2: the bathroom or something. They can come back on three

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Speaker 2: legs pretty good. Especially yesterday it was while you had

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Speaker 2: it to about twenty one degrees below. It was interesting

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Speaker 3: Driving across the city this morning, from you know, White

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Speaker 2: Here we are in Saint Louis Park.

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Speaker 3: I had as low as twenty as high I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: twenty below, as high as ten below, and I think

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Speaker 2: But that shows you that urban heat center. Well that's

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Speaker 2: Stan always says too. With the crows coming into the

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Speaker 2: a number of crows that come in. Just a murder

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Speaker 2: of crows. Who a murder of crows? Murder a murder.

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Speaker 2: That's a big group. Oh, just a bunch of crows

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Speaker 2: to me, I think Sting right, Sting wrote a song

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Speaker 2: about that. Now I'm taking you off all different anyways,

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Speaker 2: the bottom line, I don't care big group of crows

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Speaker 2: coming into the city, in the city and because of

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Speaker 2: the heat. Yeah. So when you were growing up, was

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Speaker 2: it really cold in the up Yes, oh cold's really cold,

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Speaker 2: but it is so it was. It was a dry cold. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, we lived in the southern portion of the UP

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Speaker 3: the Banana belt. If you look at the Lake Michigan

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Speaker 3: I know, it got you know, cold like this for

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Speaker 3: And in the up wind chill was not a big

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Speaker 2: What the heck, this feels colder. So temperature is very

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Speaker 2: Weather people changed at a certain time, and I can't

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Speaker 2: what it's really like outside. You might think so, but

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Speaker 2: you were going I went to Saint Cloud too. When

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think when I was there, Arnie Carlson

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Speaker 3: so that would have been I don't know, ninety four

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Speaker 2: You know, I recall when we had in school, never

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Speaker 2: clo I don't care. We'd celebrate if I ever did,

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Speaker 2: but it was usually snow you couldn't move. But I

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Speaker 2: recall thirty degrees below zero for an extended period of

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Speaker 2: time when I was going to Saint Cloud, I was

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Speaker 2: driving a get this nineteen fifty three Mercury Monorory with

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Speaker 2: overdrive and it was the cat's meaut fifty three belonged

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Speaker 2: which is the athletical house, up into Shoemaker Hall every

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Speaker 2: day or I couldn't start that bad boy. And if

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Speaker 2: it was really cold, I had a metal tin with

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Speaker 2: a bag of charcoal in the truck or in the trunk,

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Speaker 2: so I would put charcoal in that tin and then

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Speaker 2: light it started with fires with starter with whatever for

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Speaker 2: or warm the oil up otherwise it wouldn't turn over.

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Speaker 2: And a button on the dash to push it so

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Speaker 2: that would be that was the starter, and man, if

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Speaker 2: you couldn't get it turned over, you were in a

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Speaker 2: world over earth. You got a pretty good memory.

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Speaker 3: Holidback College, Shoemaker Hall yet a ten shoemaker where I lived.

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Speaker 3: I was the mailman in Shoemaker Hall throughout college.

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Speaker 2: That was my.

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Speaker 3: Work study or whatever I paid for. A part of

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Speaker 3: my schooling is. I'd get done with my morning classes,

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Speaker 3: slip into Shoemaker Hall, grab the sack of mail and

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Speaker 3: put it in everybody's mailbox.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, good for you. Well I was long gone

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Speaker 2: by them. There's a connection because your dad was a

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Speaker 2: male man, Yeah, very much. I rode with him one time.

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Speaker 2: You know what, that's all I talk. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 2: used to think he doesn't know much I was. I

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Speaker 2: four wheel drive truck. All right, Yes, I wanted to

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Speaker 2: come along one day and it was snowing like crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm riding in the front seat and they had a Chevrolet. No,

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Speaker 2: road was gone. He looked over at me and I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget this. He said, well, either we're going to

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Speaker 2: make it or we are. I think you've said that

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Speaker 2: to me before.

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Speaker 5: It going out to South Dakota the weekend at the

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Speaker 5: Dome Collapse through a pheasant hunt that we the last

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Speaker 5: time I was snowed into a place with that hunt, we'd.

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Speaker 2: Hit that snow drift on that road and it was

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Speaker 2: I said, well, what are you doing, Dad? He says,

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Speaker 2: I got it. I got to get the snow out

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Speaker 2: in front of the fan belt because it's overheating. He

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Speaker 2: opened the hood and it was packed with snow. You

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Speaker 2: couldn't get a spoon in there. It was just amazing.

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Speaker 2: The button anyway, Yeah, it was cold, and there was.

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Speaker 2: We always had a lot more snow. It seems too,

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Speaker 2: because I can recall as a kid we would dig

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Speaker 2: snow forts around the clothesline pole, which was taller than

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Speaker 2: I was, and it covered the snow clothes line pole.

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Speaker 2: The snow drifts did. But anyway, those are long past days.

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Speaker 3: But the up, like I mentioned, I drew up seven

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Speaker 3: five miles to the north, almost two dramatically different climates. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean we could we could be no snow and

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Speaker 3: you know in Marquette, an hour north, you know they'd

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Speaker 3: even experienced that on a grouse hunt this year. It

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Speaker 3: was like not snowing at my house.

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Speaker 2: Went to one of my favorite spots thirty five miles away.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was in a blizzard. But yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Any any lake superior does that, you know? Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: lake effects snow temperature, Yeah, big time, big time. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we are going to take a pause. But who's coming

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Speaker 2: up next month?

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Speaker 3: We got Doug Duran. A lot of folks know him

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Speaker 3: from meat Eater. He's going to be at pheasant Fest

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Speaker 3: next month, and we're going to visit with Doug about

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Speaker 3: a variety of things, including he took our buddy Dave

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Speaker 3: Simonette out deer hunting, which I didn't know about. And

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Speaker 3: I have not heard this story. I've just seen a photo.

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Speaker 3: So we'll start. We'll start there and see where it goes.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful. That's gonna be fun. I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: And a little little later in the program, we are

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Speaker 2: going to be joining Stan Tequila, who is out in

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Speaker 2: the yellow Stone. I'm sure it's warm there. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea. I bet it's not that. It is that

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Speaker 2: he's following a pack of wolves someplace, and until that's

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Speaker 2: pretty that's I'm looking forward to it too. I actually

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Speaker 2: went on to his camera last night, dude, the owl camera,

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Speaker 2: or to look at the flying squirrels. He's got multiple

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Speaker 2: cameras these, Yes he does, Yes he does. And Eric

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Speaker 2: in woodbuck wood duck houses for the spring. So I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to Stan about that too, and how

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Speaker 2: sit there, I know if TV won't come on, we'll

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Speaker 2: be watching that thing because I would be mesmerized by it.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, we're going to take a pause and we're

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Speaker 2: mister Doug Duran, who will be at pheasant Fest coming

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Speaker 2: up real soon in February twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one, and the concert, our concert kicks things off

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Speaker 3: on the nineteenth and from Alec was giving me a

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Speaker 3: bad time yesterday because we didn't mention the dates pheasant

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Speaker 3: Fest was going to take place. Pheasantfest dot organ you

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Speaker 3: can find the dates and the show program and all

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Speaker 3: the seminars and all sorts of things and us and us.

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Speaker 3: We will be there Saturday afternoon. Yeah, broadcasting live. We'll

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Speaker 3: be at a panel together. Yeah, oh boy, I'm.

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Speaker 2: The one that should be worried about that, not you.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this eighteen minutes, well, eighteen

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Speaker 4: It was sort of like the beginning of COVID. You know,

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Speaker 5: Here good.

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Speaker 2: Concert for conservation.

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Speaker 3: There's I think only two p people that have played

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Speaker 3: every show. Muskie chat is one and Doug Dern guest

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Speaker 2: How do you end up on the stage every time

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't. I have no idea about the generosity

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Speaker 4: couple of years when and truthfully, Bob, you know better

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Speaker 2: So will you be on the stage or is that

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Speaker 4: I think if I'm on the stage, I'll just be

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Speaker 2: Are you practicing a Bob Dylan song? Just in case?

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Speaker 4: I I I have been playing. I'm always playing Bob

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Speaker 4: Oh, thanks for asking Big News for sharing the land

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Speaker 3: And you'll be taught, Well, you have a booth at

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I told you it is going to be rapid fire.

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Speaker 2: The last thing.

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Speaker 3: You're a person that your life's been changed here recently,

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Speaker 4: Pheasant Bonanza and Kammo Outdoors, which is a really cool

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Speaker 4: nonprofit that adopts dogs who who are either pastor prime

437
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: or didn't make the didn't make the cut. And my dog,

438
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: Mark is his name, ended up. He just he's four

439
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: years old. And I met Jason, as I said it

440
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: that does infest and a few years ago and this

441
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 4: past year we got talking a little bit more about it.

442
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 4: And the next thing you know, I got a call

443
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: and said, hey, I got this dog that isn't quite

444
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: up to our top ten percent and his name is Mark,

445
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: and he sent me some videos and I said, well,

446
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: what's wrong with the dog? And he goes, well, he

447
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: kind of a goofball. I'm like, okay, that sounds good,

448
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: and he goes. He gets distracted when he's hunting by

449
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 4: stuff like butterflies, and I'm like, oh, just like me. Great,

450
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: that's the perfect match. And I've been just enamored with

451
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: the dog, such a great buddy and companion. And then

452
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: when we went out hunting in South Dakota and we

453
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 4: do a little bit around here, he just it's like

454
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 4: he knows, oh, yeah, this is what I do. And

455
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 4: he isn't like a hard charger running all over the place,

456
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: but he's got a good nose and we've done really

457
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 4: well hunting. So I'm as happy as I can be

458
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: with him.

459
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: It's super cool. Yeah, twenty years that's a big gap.

460
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: That's a big gap.

461
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: But it's you again, Bob. It's kind of your fault

462
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: because we hunted, we huted together out there in South Dakota,

463
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 4: and I remember driving home after that hunt going point

464
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: you know when I'm we were actually when we were

465
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: hunting this boy, it'd be great to have a dog,

466
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 4: you know, because you know, imtegracious enough to let me

467
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: kind of follow one of your dogs. But you know,

468
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: you don't have your dog you're kind of relying on

469
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: other people. And then on the way back to Wisconsin,

470
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 4: I was driving back, it's like, well, you know, it's

471
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: also nice not having to worried about a dog, but

472
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: that it kind of kept after me, and you know,

473
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: a couple of years later, here I am, you know,

474
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: and I couldn't be happy about having a dog.

475
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much for getting up early, especially

476
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: with the cold taps and taking our rapid fire questions

477
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: at a variety of topics.

478
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing you in next month.

479
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same here, Bob. Great talking to you.

480
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Doug appreciate it. And Doug Duran be on

481
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: a couple of different stages. We've got the sharing the

482
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Speaker 3: land booth at Pessanfest, and I mentioned earlier in the

483
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Speaker 3: show pheasant Fest is February twentieth, twenty first, twenty second

484
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: and the concert Thursday night, February nineteenth. When I checked yesterday,

485
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: there were one hundred and seventy four tickets left out

486
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: of twenty two hundred for Turnpike Troubadours as the featured

487
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: act and Dave Simonette and who knows what band of

488
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: characters Dave's bringing with him on stage. Maybe Doug as

489
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: our opener, So you can check it all out at

490
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Speaker 3: Phesantfest dot org.

491
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Speaker 2: We will take a pause and be back with the

492
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Speaker 2: mister Stan Tequila. You can find him at nature smart

493
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Speaker 2: dot com. Next, right here on the fan.

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Speaker 9: Welcome back to Fan Outdoors, joined now by author, naturalist

495
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Speaker 9: and photographer Stan Tequila. Whether it's in Minnesota, Glasgow, or Africa,

496
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 9: he's always in search of all things wild and natural.

497
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 9: He may even know more about animals than they do themselves.

498
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: And you thought the.

499
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Speaker 9: Cat knew the outdoors, here's fan favorite Stan Tequila on.

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Speaker 2: Fan Outdoors stand. Good morning. It's fifteen below here right

501
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: now and twenty one below yesterday morning. Do you have

502
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: the same weather we do?

503
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, Good morning Bill, Good morning Bob. Coming to from today.

504
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 6: I'm in Bozeman, Montana, and it's only zero here, so

505
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 6: it's a heat wave. Oh wow, and we're heading for

506
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 6: a high of like twenty so it's pretty wimpy weather

507
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 6: here at the West.

508
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: Wimpy. I wish it was Bud. Well, what what's going

509
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: on out there for you?

510
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 6: Well, I've got my annual trip to the winter trip

511
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 6: to Yellowstone. I've got a group of my first group

512
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 6: is a group of ten from the UK and picked

513
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 6: up everybody at the airport yesterday. Everybody's trying to adjust

514
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 6: to the time change for them, and we will leave

515
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 6: this morning here and head into the park for the

516
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 6: next ten days or so, and then we'll see how

517
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 6: she goes for that amount of time, and then we'll

518
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: come back, drop off that group, pick up a second

519
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: group and kind of do it again.

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00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: That's a long that's a long trip this time.

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00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be I'm out here for three weeks over

522
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 6: just a little bit over three weeks, taking two groups

523
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 6: in and the second group we're going to be doing

524
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: all the interior stuff, so we won't be doing any

525
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 6: of the normal the north excuse me, what's called the

526
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 6: North Range will be doing everything on the interior instead,

527
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 6: So we'll be on those big snow coaches that can

528
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 6: take us into the you know, deep into the park,

529
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Speaker 6: which is the only access you have in the wintertime.

530
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Speaker 2: What what kinds of things are you doing now this time?

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Speaker 6: Looking specifically for as always as we're always we're looking

532
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 6: for wolves, okay, and and you know anything else comes along,

533
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 6: uh Bison who go to the thermal areas and they

534
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 6: go there for you know, for a couple of obvious reasons.

535
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 6: One it's you know, they can stand in the steam

536
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 6: and it's a little bit warmer. And it's also where

537
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 6: plant life still can be found, and so they're oftentimes

538
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 6: the snow is not as deep, and they'll go to

539
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 6: those areas to look for vegetation to eat. So when

540
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 6: you do that, the frost gets on the bison and

541
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Speaker 6: you get these frosty bisons first thing in the morning

542
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 6: where they're completely covered in frost and snow and ice crystals.

543
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 6: And it makes for great pictures because you know, it's

544
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 6: there's such a I don't know that you know, when

545
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 6: you look at bison, they're very i don't know, primitive,

546
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 6: rugged looking, and then you add a coat of coating

547
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 6: of ice and snow on top of them, and they

548
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 6: just it's really amazing to see. And so everyone's kind

549
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 6: of thrilled by that. So frosty bison is what we're

550
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 6: really looking for.

551
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: It sounds like a popsicle or a flavor ice cream

552
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: or something.

553
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 6: Do exactly except when you when you lick the frosty

554
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 6: bus and it doesn't like it. Let me, let me

555
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 6: tell you your tongue sticking to a frosty bison would

556
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 6: be the least of your words.

557
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: At that point.

558
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: More and more people are injured by bison in the

559
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 6: park than any other animal. Bison are you know, they

560
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 6: often they often jokingly referred to them as the fluffy cows.

561
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 6: And they they're constantly trying to tell you know, the

562
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 6: tourists don't pet the fluffy cows. And uh, so they

563
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 6: are They're an animal you don't want to mess with.

564
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 6: And they're big. The males can be two thousand pounds

565
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 6: and you know, they're about the size of a car,

566
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 6: sometimes even bigger. And so, yeah, you don't want to

567
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 6: mess with these things. And they'll they'll let you know.

568
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 6: They so I have, you know, tons of respect for

569
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 6: the bison.

570
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Speaker 2: What a bunch of idiots bottles my mind that people

571
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: can be that.

572
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's an understatement, I'm telling you so unbelievable. Wow,

573
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 6: if you ever want some, you want, if you ever

574
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 6: want a good time, just go to YouTube and google

575
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 6: up you know, people being tossed by bison and and

576
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 6: uh and enjoy.

577
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Whatever it is. They deserve whatever they get. Yeah, but

578
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: with with the wolves.

579
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Speaker 6: You know, they go ahead, go ahead, No, they said

580
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 6: they look so docile, they look so like, oh, it

581
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 6: looks just like a cowl or something like that. And

582
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 6: you know, they forget that these are wild animals with

583
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 6: you know, horns on their heads, and they got these

584
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 6: massive necks and the neck with a huge hump on

585
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 6: their back. That hump is all muscle and it's for

586
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 6: plowing their head back and forth. They use their heads

587
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 6: in the winter time to plow snow side to side

588
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 6: to side. You have to have these massive neck bustles.

589
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 6: And so this is their defense, is they you know,

590
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 6: they're so their necks and there is so strong that

591
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 6: they and they can with one hook of their of

592
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 6: their horn on to whatever, you know, and they can

593
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 6: just flick their neck and you go flying like a

594
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 6: rag doll. And it's it's it's quite impressive to see.

595
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: What bison horns do they ever drop? Can you tell

596
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: age by the horn? Tell us about a bison's horns.

597
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 6: Well, the bisons are truly a horn. So they start

598
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 6: growing when they're very small and they stay on with

599
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 6: with the animal entire life, unlike an antler that is

600
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 6: you know, seasonal and drops off and then they regrow.

601
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 6: And these horns also made of you know, keratin as

602
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 6: opposed to antlers made of calcium, and they what's really

603
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 6: interesting about them is that all the horns are different

604
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 6: on all the animals. They none of them are the same.

605
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 6: Some go off to the side, Some look like Viking helmets,

606
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 6: you know, where the horns stick off to the side

607
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 6: and straight up in the air, you know, and some

608
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 6: go back, some curl, and they're all they're all slightly different,

609
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 6: and I find that fascinating. I've never been able to

610
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 6: come up with a way to be able to age

611
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 6: a bison by their horn, but perhaps maybe somebody could.

612
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 6: I don't know. But they don't broom out as much

613
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 6: as like big horn sheep. Bighorn sheep again has a horn,

614
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 6: and finally one with a correct common name big horn sheep,

615
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 6: because you know, it'd be just my luck that they

616
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 6: would call them big antlers.

617
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: Life, you know, like seagulls.

618
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: Uh, there you go.

619
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Speaker 2: Do Bison joust?

620
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 6: They fight, Yeah, the males fight, and the bison running

621
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 6: season is quite a spectacle because the males come together

622
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 6: and they grunt and they you know, kind of size

623
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 6: each other up. But then when they fight, they head

624
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 6: to head, horn to horn and they just and they

625
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: and they push on each other to fight, and uh,

626
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 6: I would not want to get in the middle of that.

627
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 6: Last September, I was out filming bison during the rut

628
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 6: and they give this low rumbling sound. It's it's like

629
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 6: a constant and like, yeah, I love I love making

630
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 6: animal noises on the radio. And they and and so

631
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: they bison would there. You know, these males are making

632
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 6: these growling noises. And I was doing some recordings of

633
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 6: them at the time and I was like, wow, this

634
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 6: the frequency is on, this is really low. And I

635
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 6: could actually feel the vibration on my body because it

636
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 6: you know, it vibrates the air and it comes through

637
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 6: the air and it hits my body. And I said, wow,

638
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 6: that's really something. And then when I switched over to

639
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 6: filming them, I was doing like a little bit of

640
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 6: a slow motion filming of these guys. And when they

641
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 6: make that noise that WHOA like that on the sides

642
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 6: of them at the rib cage because they always like

643
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 6: to roll in dirt and dust, and so when on

644
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 6: the sides of them at the rib cage, when they

645
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 6: make that low rumbling sound, you can see all of

646
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 6: the dirt embedded in the fur come vibrating out to

647
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 6: the surface and then into the air, and I thought,

648
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 6: oh wow, for something, you know, like a slow motion film,

649
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 6: that was really interesting to see that and to be

650
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: able to document that, you know, the kind of something

651
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 6: that's happening that I don't know if they're you know,

652
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 6: planning that probably doubt it. That's just probably naturally. What

653
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 6: happens is that they're they're rumbling and then all the

654
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: dirt in their fur comes to the surface and pops

655
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 6: out into the air, and you got this little cloud

656
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 6: of dust around them all because all they do is growl.

657
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: Do they do they form? Do they really form circles

658
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: around a calf or around a young one to protect them?

659
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 6: I think you're I think you're thinking of muskos, and muskox.

660
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 10: Will do that.

661
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 6: Will they'll create a circle shoulders shoulder the adults and

662
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 6: to protect their young. The main predator of muskox is

663
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 6: two of them, mainly wolves, and then the other one

664
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 6: would be polar bear. And so with muskos they do that,

665
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 6: and but bison don't do it as as much when

666
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 6: they will if I've filled this several times actually where

667
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 6: wolves are trying to get into they know they've got

668
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 6: one injured or one sick or elderly or you know,

669
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 6: young in in the herd, and the wolves are trying

670
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 6: to get into the herd to get to that one.

671
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 6: They'll they'll they'll turn and they'll uh, you know, like

672
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 6: kind of go back at the wolves and and and

673
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 6: try to push them away. But it doesn't look organized

674
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 6: to me when I see it. I don't. It's not

675
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 6: like a wall of of you know, bodies trying to

676
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 6: come after the wolves. They'll individuals will chase after the

677
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 6: wolves and things like that, the big strong ones where

678
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 6: they the wolves know we're not going to touch that

679
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 6: one because you know, because of the size and the

680
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 6: health of them. So they they typically are not well

681
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 6: organized like the like musk doocks that are.

682
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: Are well organized.

683
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: Are they related.

684
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 6: Similar family and they obviously live in two different areas.

685
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 6: Muskoks are much further north latitude. Uh, the bison will

686
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 6: go far north is like wood Buffalo Nowtional Park up

687
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 6: in Canada, and they those bison are slightly different. They

688
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 6: actually the wood bison are subspecies of the regular American bison,

689
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 6: and they are adapted to being in a colder climate

690
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 6: with more forest regions. Uh, there too. And that's the

691
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 6: other thing we have to always keep in mind when

692
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 6: we're talking about things like the bison and interactions with wolves.

693
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 6: It's not like the wolves can First of all, not

694
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 6: all wolves can kill a bison. Only certain packs like

695
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 6: here in Yellowstone. It was the first pack that was

696
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 6: able to master being able to take down a bison

697
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 6: was the Mollies and the Mally's. That that that pack

698
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 6: of wolves over the years became very proficient at uh,

699
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 6: you know, going after bison. But again, they're not taking

700
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 6: the biggest and the strongest. They are taking the week,

701
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 6: the sick, the injured, you know, the ones with the

702
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 6: broken legs. You know that that type of thing is

703
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 6: the ones who are uh you know, the bulls who

704
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 6: are you know, twenty years old and past their prime

705
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 6: and are no longer breeding and you know, are on

706
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 6: their own. And so, you know, it's an important concept

707
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 6: to keep in mind that they're taking the sick and

708
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 6: they're injured in the week and things like that.

709
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: Well, what about life expectancy of a.

710
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 6: Bise, Yeah, if they get past their first year, then

711
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 6: they're then they're usually have a pretty good full life

712
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 6: and a good twenty twenty five years is expected for

713
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 6: him now. Of course, the bulls are the ones who

714
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 6: are the most at most at risk because they're you know,

715
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 6: they're guys. They're they're always doing stupid things, and they

716
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 6: are going to be having a shorter lifespan because they're

717
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 6: fighting with other males and and that's that can be

718
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 6: a real problem. If they get they take a horn

719
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 6: to the side, you know, into a rib cage or

720
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 6: something like that, they can get some significant injuries. Or

721
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 6: when they're chasing each other, if they hit a bad

722
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 6: spot and you know, into a creek or something like

723
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 6: that and then break a legs, and it's a real

724
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 6: issue for him.

725
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: Interesting as far as the young, when how old do

726
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: they have to be before they'll start having calves?

727
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 6: About three to five. The young are when they're born

728
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 6: in June or so. And they when they are really young,

729
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 6: they're they're a auburn almost red color. They call them reds,

730
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 6: the little guys, and they are just a riot because

731
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 6: you know, just like any small baby animal. They they

732
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 6: you know, they act like they've got springs in their

733
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 6: feet and they run around. It's like they've invented running

734
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 6: and they run around all the time. They play with

735
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 6: each other.

736
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: It is.

737
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: That is one of the more fun things to be

738
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 6: able to see or witness, you know, or photograph or

739
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 6: even film these little guys when they're running around the springtime,

740
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 6: because they're just you know, they're like, you know, look

741
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 6: at me, I can run and they'll just run for

742
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 6: no reason at all, and all the other you know

743
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 6: there like okay, you know whatever.

744
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, if you're out there looking for wolves, do you

745
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: know that there's a pack in the area, or do

746
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: you know there are certain wolves in the area already?

747
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: Well, yes. The good news is is I always get

748
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 6: here two to three days before by groups, and then

749
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 6: I'm friends with a lot of the other guides and

750
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 6: so we all share information back and forth as to

751
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 6: you know, what are we seeing and who's where and

752
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 6: what's going on, and that's a very helpful thing to

753
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 6: get you get you in the right area. Two days ago,

754
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 6: I ran into the Rescue Creek pack. The Rescue Creek

755
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 6: Pack is a fairly large pack of wolves, and they

756
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 6: had just killed a elk about four hundred yards off

757
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 6: the road, which is just a little too far, you

758
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 6: know to be able to capture any quality images. And

759
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 6: in typical fashion, what they had done was they killed

760
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 6: the and then it takes so much energy to be

761
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: able to do this. The wolves don't feed right away

762
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 6: on it. They actually back off about you know, one

763
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 6: hundred yards to two hundred yards, and they all lay

764
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 6: down and they rest a little bit before they start

765
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 6: to consume. And so when I was there, that's exactly

766
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 6: what was happening. Several of them, there's fifteen of them

767
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 6: or so, and they were all laying around kind of

768
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 6: recovering after the hunt. And then meanwhile, of course the

769
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 6: ravens are like, yeah, free dinner, and they're all all

770
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 6: the ravens are moving in the magpies and are all

771
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 6: moving in on the kill too. And then now and

772
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 6: then one of the young pup wolves would go down

773
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 6: and chase off all the ravens. And so then I'm

774
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 6: assuming I was there late in the day, I'm assuming

775
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 6: that night they got up in the cover of darkness

776
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 6: and finished that. And it always amazes me every single

777
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 6: time I see this. If there's a wolf kill within

778
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 6: twenty four certainly within forty eight hours, absolutely everything is gone.

779
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 6: I mean, the bones are gone to the four winds

780
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 6: they first everything, everything's gone, and all you have is

781
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 6: a stain of blood in the snow, and that's it.

782
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 6: And I'm the efficiency, uh, you know, the speed and

783
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 6: the efficiency of it is shocking. And this is what

784
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 6: happens in an intact ecosystem where all the predators and

785
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 6: all the other you know, players in the band, you know,

786
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 6: are are in synchrony and they're all working together, and

787
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 6: it is quite amazing to see.

788
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: Well taking when with the with the just with the wolves.

789
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Isn't it true that if there are other foods available,

790
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: other sources of food, that they will probably gravitate to

791
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: that before something really large.

792
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 6: They are opportunistic hunters. They are also seasonal hunt meaning

793
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 6: they will switch their diets at different times of year,

794
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 6: and they will like for example, in Minnesota, with our

795
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 6: wolves in the springtime, they are going for things that

796
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 6: they can catch, so they are going after young deer.

797
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 6: But then it takes only about thirty to forty five

798
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 6: days for the young deer to become fast enough to

799
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 6: be able to outrun them, and so then at that

800
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 6: point they switch over. By summer, a lot of a

801
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 6: lot of the studies of coming out of the Voyager

802
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 6: Wolf Project, and by summer they switch their diet over

803
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 6: to things like fish and also berries, and then you know,

804
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 6: they so they kind of change with the season and

805
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 6: go with whatever is available, and then they move into

806
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 6: more larger animals for the fall. Keep in mind, the

807
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 6: reason why wolves are in packs is because they oftentimes

808
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 6: hunt things that are bigger than themselves. And you got

809
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 6: to try and remember this and keep this in mind

810
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 6: when you're when you're you know, kind of looking at

811
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: these scenarios is that these wolves are out there hunting,

812
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 6: but they're hunting with their teeth. You know, they're they're

813
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 6: not standing back. You know, however long distance and using

814
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 6: a high powered rifle or something like that, they actually

815
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 6: have to get right in there and you know, slow

816
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: down the prey and then overwhelm the prey and with

817
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 6: their teeth they have to kill. And that is I mean,

818
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 6: it's it seems very obvious, but it's also like something

819
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 6: you need to register with that. It's like, hm, you know,

820
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 6: think about yourself. Okay, so you've caught something small, Now

821
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 6: you have to kill it. What do you know? What

822
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 6: are you going to do? And you have to do

823
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 6: with your teeth. You know, the chances of injury to

824
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 6: your face, your eyes, you know, really go up when

825
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 6: an animal is fighting for its life, and so this

826
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 6: is it's it's not an easy, simple life for these animals.

827
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 6: They are really like, I'll just go out and kill something,

828
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 6: everything will be fine. You know. If that's not how

829
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 6: it is and they get injured, they have to have,

830
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 6: you know, many pack members in order to do this,

831
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 6: and the more pack members you have, guess what, the

832
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 6: less food you get because you know everybody's eating, and

833
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 6: so you kinda have to get into the nitty gritties

834
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 6: and the details of this to be able to kind

835
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 6: of really appreciate what's going on with these animals.

836
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: When they refer to packs of wolves and you just

837
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned that one of the ones you're

838
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: looking at this time had about eighteen at least in it. Yes,

839
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: is there are there? Packs can be very quite quite

840
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: a bit smaller, too, can I not.

841
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 6: Yes, a pack is two or more animals. Usually optimal

842
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 6: size for wolves is about seven, because then at that

843
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 6: point when you make it kill, you're going to get

844
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 6: enough to eat. But oftentimes these packs can get larger.

845
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 6: I believe that I have not had the latest update,

846
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 6: and I probably will find out in the next couple

847
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 6: of days. The Wopperty Pack is the Wopperty Lake Pack is.

848
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 6: Last I checked was at thirty three, but it had

849
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 6: broken into two separate packs. They were still calling them

850
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 6: the same, but I would imagine after a certain amount

851
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 6: of time being apart, then they start independent, they start

852
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 6: operating independently, and then they're you know, considered a separate

853
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 6: pack at that point. And that's the natural evolution of it.

854
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 6: And these pack dynamics push so hard on the health

855
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 6: and the well being of these uh that these of

856
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 6: these wolves that really cuts their lives very short. Average

857
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 6: life span on these wolves is about six years, and

858
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 6: so if you're in alpha, you're even shorter because the

859
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: alphas are the ones who are trying to be bumped

860
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 6: off by everybody else who's trying to take over your pack.

861
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 6: And so it's a it's it is, you know, it's

862
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 6: more than a hard knock life. It's really difficult for

863
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 6: these guys.

864
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: Can you stay with us for through a break love.

865
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 6: To everybody's still sleeping because it's earlier.

866
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Speaker 2: Here, and I'll ask God be well. We'll take a

867
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Speaker 2: pause and be back with another segment of mister stan Tequita.

868
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: Find him at Naturesmart dot com right after this five

869
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: minutes out after the hour of seven o'clock, we are back.

870
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: Fan Outdoor is going to be with you until the

871
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: eight o'clock hour. We've been talking with mister Stan Tequila,

872
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: who is out in Bozeman, Montana right now as we speak,

873
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: and you'll be out there for about a week and

874
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: then another week. But we've been talking wolves and bison

875
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: and how the two meet and are really friendly and

876
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: everybody gets along and they've smoked the peace pipe and

877
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: all's good. Wo No, not at all stand with with

878
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: the wolves. Isn't it true that at one point somewhere

879
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: I read that the wolves actually changed the introduction of

880
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: wolves actually changed the Is it a tobography? I think

881
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: they took a whole bunch of beaver or something out.

882
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: I can't remember. Maybe it was just a dream that

883
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: I had.

884
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was This was a kind of an observational

885
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 6: study that was done that showed the when wolves were

886
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 6: reinterduced to Yellowstone. This is something you could google up

887
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 6: pretty easily, and and there's a lot of different, uh

888
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 6: you know, kind of videos on it or movies on

889
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 6: it and documentaries where what it did was prior to

890
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 6: this in places like Lamar Valley was absolutely overrun with elk,

891
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 6: and the elk were eating everything, every bit of vegetation

892
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 6: around and in this high, dry, cold climate, you know,

893
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 6: the trees grow very slowly, and so things weren't bouncing

894
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 6: back at all. But with the introduction of the wolf,

895
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 6: which really broke up those herds of elk, it really

896
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 6: pushed them out in the other areas and in the

897
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 6: smaller areas, and then it gave some of the plants

898
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 6: a chance to be able to finally grow, and then

899
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 6: those things brought in things like you know, the availability

900
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 6: of some plants brought in things like beavers which dammed

901
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 6: up rivers, which put in some nice habitats for other

902
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 6: animals such as moose and drawn it over, it's a

903
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 6: cascade effect across the entire you know, you know web

904
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 6: of nature, and that it affects everything. And and that

905
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 6: was simply I think what you were what you're trying

906
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 6: to call is that it was it has such a

907
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 6: cascade effect, and it really truly does. And it kind

908
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 6: of goes back to my earlier comment about having an

909
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 6: intact ecosystem with all the predators in place, it functions.

910
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 6: I think of it as an orchestra, and without the

911
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 6: you know, the woodwind system or woodwind section or the

912
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 6: brass section or whatever. You know, they're just not completed,

913
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 6: just not their Sure it plays music, but it's just

914
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 6: not as full and complete as it should be. And

915
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 6: so it's just a it's a way in which to

916
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 6: look at these things and see the value in all

917
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 6: of the animals in the in the ecosystem.

918
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: Wasn't there also a group of wolves that there were

919
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: so many beaver in the area that that the beaver

920
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: became their primary food source.

921
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 6: So in Minnesota, the the beaver is one of their

922
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 6: number one food sources. And because people think, well they

923
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,959
Speaker 6: go out and make ill deer and elk or deer

924
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 6: and moose or something like that, and that's it. It's

925
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 6: simply not true. Beavers are like one of their number

926
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 6: one prey. In fact, there's so many nice studies done

927
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 6: again by that Voyder Wolf project up in the Voyger's

928
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 6: National Park. They survey the beavers and they can show

929
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 6: the correlation between the wolves and the beavers. And the

930
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 6: wolves are going after the beaver on a regular basis

931
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 6: and they hunt them in a variety of different ways

932
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 6: and they've and this is something again you can easily

933
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 6: look up yourself and be able to get more details

934
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 6: out of it. But they're trying to figure out how

935
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 6: are the beavers going after them? And it's just basically

936
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 6: a being the wolves being in a right area waiting

937
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 6: for the beavers to come out in the dark, and

938
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 6: then they simply charge them and catch them before they

939
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 6: get back in the water. And it's it's a very

940
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 6: big and important food source for the wolves.

941
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 2: It really truly is interesting. You mentioned that the time

942
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: difference for your guests today from the EU are quite

943
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: a quite a different and there's adjusting to it. How

944
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 2: much time difference.

945
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 6: Is there, it's a see it's from Central time soon

946
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 6: it's seven hours, so for here it's eight hour difference.

947
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 6: So they're they're kind of it messages with them pretty good,

948
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 6: and but you know most people adjust after a couple

949
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 6: of days. So I work with this UK company. We

950
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 6: I'm the guide for them to bring him here. I

951
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 6: would like to mentioned though that starting next year twenty

952
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: twenty seven, the winter twenty twenty seven, I'll be offering

953
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 6: this same exact trip to Yellowstone in the winter time,

954
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 6: specifically looking for wolves a photography tour. I just put

955
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 6: it on my website this past week. And let me

956
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 6: rephrase that, my daughter just put it on my website.

957
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be able to figure that out, but anyhow,

958
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 6: And so people, any photographers listening in who are interested

959
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 6: in a Yellowstone winter trip, This will be the full deal,

960
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 6: the whole thing, and people can contact me and sign

961
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 6: up for a winter adventure next year.

962
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: Do they have to be in pretty good shape in

963
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: order to run away from whatever? They fail me?

964
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 6: Well, you know, we are operating at higher altitudes, not

965
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: that bad, maybe six to seven thousand feet, so it's

966
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: not horrible, and it is winter, and it is cold,

967
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 6: and every morning when we get out there, it's usually

968
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 6: well below zero every morning, but it warms up during

969
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 6: the daytime. So yeah, you have to be in a

970
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 6: reasonably physical, reasonably good physical shape in order to be

971
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 6: able to do a trip like this. And we certainly

972
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 6: not going to be pushing Grammar around into in a

973
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 6: wheelchair for sure. So yeah, but you know, most people

974
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 6: kind of get that, and I do have a physical

975
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 6: requirement thing on my checklist, and so people will they

976
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 6: can see that and read more. They can go to

977
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 6: nature smart Dot com and see the Yellowstone twenty twenty

978
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 6: seven trip which is now there, plus the other trips

979
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 6: that I'm doing. If if the winter is not your thing,

980
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 6: then I've got a great trip this October to Ecuador

981
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 6: for you know tropics, which is and we're going to

982
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 6: be doing things like the m d and condor and

983
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 6: all sorts of you know, jungle birds and things like that.

984
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 6: It's quite an amazing thing, So take a look. I

985
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 6: also have a pre announcement of twenty twenty eight. I'm

986
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 6: going back to the Galopagos Islands in twenty twenty eight.

987
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 6: So if anybody's ever dreamt of like saying they've always

988
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 6: wanted to go to Glagos, here's your chance you'd. I mean,

989
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 6: it's it's good if you're a photographer, but you don't

990
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: need to be, and people can sign up for that

991
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 6: trip to that. The Glopagos is just what a magical place.

992
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: It truly is interesting. Interesting. Bob Keep's telling me, all

993
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: I got to do is bet one guy, and then

994
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm okay.

995
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's you know. The thing is with wolves, they

996
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 6: just have no interest in people whatsoever. Now you can't

997
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 6: say that about the bears. You know, the bears are like,

998
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 6: there's plenty of people with the brown bears, you know

999
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 6: here in the in the Inner Mountain West, they're referred

1000
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 6: to as grizzlies. But the grizzly bears, you know, they

1001
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 6: kill and eat people and where whereas you know, the

1002
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 6: wolves just have no interest in people. Are great. In fact,

1003
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 6: they want to they want to stay away from them.

1004
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, we gotta go. But are polar bears. They're pretty

1005
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: nasty too if if they choose to be, aren't they.

1006
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're the only known animal to actively hunt and

1007
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 6: kill people. Yeah, you don't want to mess with a

1008
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 6: polar bears. They're taking they're strong, and they know what

1009
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 6: they're doing.

1010
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: All right, Stan, I thank you, sir. It's been a

1011
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: delight in talking to you, and I wish you success

1012
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: and your participants success and have a wonderful time. We

1013
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: will catch up again, I hope in a couple of weeks.

1014
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 6: In a couple of weeks I'll give you a kind

1015
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 6: of rundown of all the things we've been seeing and

1016
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 6: doing here.

1017
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, good luck, my friend, and thank you once

1018
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: again for joining us.

1019
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 6: All right, take care, let's.

1020
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: Stan tequila once again. Take out. Take a look at

1021
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: his cameras because the owl cameras are active, the flying

1022
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: flying squirrel cameras are active. And you probably won't believe this,

1023
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: but there will be. I'm quite certain if you were

1024
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: in Minnesota flying squirrels, if you have any number of

1025
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: trees in your area, that you could easily set up

1026
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: a food station with peanuts unsalted and be able to

1027
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: watch them yourself. Are you gonna put a camera up

1028
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: at the cabin we're going to put I think Eric

1029
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: and I were talking about putting cameras in the wood

1030
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: duck houses, and I know that that's going to be

1031
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: my kiss of death. But just be staring at him

1032
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: the whole time.

1033
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: After the wood ducks hatch, you should move the cameras

1034
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 3: to your peanut flying squirrel feet in.

1035
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be kind of fun. You'll never

1036
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: leave the You're right, I mean, and that's right outside

1037
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: the window. The story and from Alec knows the story.

1038
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: But when her husband was there and he thought I

1039
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: was pulling his leg, he was all set to just

1040
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: blow me off and held the brand here. Just all

1041
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: of a sudden, his hand went up and he turned around,

1042
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: looked over his shoulder, points down at it and his

1043
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: big eyes. It was fun. It was fun. But they

1044
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: are super super cool. There's like they aren't speed. I mean,

1045
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: they just they are the most they're all. They're red

1046
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: squirrel is the only thing I can compare it to

1047
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: as far as they are movements and stuff. But flying

1048
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: squirrel's worse. They just go, go go, and so do

1049
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: we because we'll go go, go to a break and

1050
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: be back with tackle. Terry right after this, we're back

1051
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: twenty minutes after the hour of seven am on a

1052
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: warm and balmy Sunday Saturday morning.

1053
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: You just cruise into Saturday, get to I'm kind of

1054
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: negative seventeen.

1055
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: According to the old interweb, fish are probably biting right Tackle,

1056
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: they're just jumping out of the hole. Old fashioned winter,

1057
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: tell me.

1058
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 10: Right, attack guys in good morning everyone at twenty below

1059
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 10: here right now.

1060
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a good old fashioned winter. I think

1061
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: that's what you called it, Terry.

1062
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 10: Oh, no question about it. We haven't seen this what

1063
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 10: they sink since twenty nineteen.

1064
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 2: I think that's all I heard on the news.

1065
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 10: But you know, one thing, a big positive. We're making

1066
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 10: off the good ice.

1067
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that phrase it a little while. Huh,

1068
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 3: make ice.

1069
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: They are making a silver linings. In fact, we're making

1070
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: more ice for next year. Terry, I mean, I think

1071
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: you're right.

1072
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 10: I was just thinking this morning, I don't know how

1073
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 10: long we'll be ice fishing this year.

1074
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gracious, I wonder when we're gonna, say,

1075
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: he start hearing people talk about Alger extensions.

1076
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 10: Oh, I know, I would have to imagine right now

1077
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 10: that we're going to be getting close. So depending, of course,

1078
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 10: on the Auger set up. You haven't so forth, but yeah,

1079
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 10: I'm sure it's going to be some areas if this

1080
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 10: keeps up, and it's supposed to be what through Monday?

1081
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 10: You know there's no snow cover either.

1082
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Well, I have. In fact, I left my extension on

1083
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 2: my Auger because I have a K drill and last

1084
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: year when I went to put the extension on it,

1085
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember how to do it, so it was

1086
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: easier just to leave it and have my arms in

1087
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: the air.

1088
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 10: That's exactly right. Well, it probably won't be a bad

1089
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 10: idea right now to have it, Yeah.

1090
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially out of a wheelhouse or something like that.

1091
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 10: Oh yes, exactly right.

1092
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a wheelhouse out in a lake

1093
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: right now?

1094
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 4: Right?

1095
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 10: Now tackle, No, I don't. I actually sold my wheelhouse, Bob,

1096
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 10: and a couple of reasons. One was there was nothing

1097
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 10: wrong with it. Was it was quite it was almost new,

1098
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 10: and I just out, you know, the wheelhouse is great.

1099
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 10: You know, sometimes I wish I would have kept it

1100
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 10: in the sense of the word, but I just love

1101
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 10: to move from spot to spot, lake to lake, and

1102
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 10: you don't do that with a wheelhouse. You know, then

1103
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 10: you always got the weather issues. You've got a big

1104
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 10: snowstorm or rainstorm coming in and I just see, like

1105
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 10: the white put up in storage. Of course, insurance, of course,

1106
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 10: so not only saving money, but the main reason was

1107
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 10: I just love to go from one spot to the

1108
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 10: next and fish one lake to the next.

1109
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: See, you and I are totally different that way. When

1110
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: Eric has is out, it's like I'm sitting in the

1111
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: living room and I love doing that. Terry.

1112
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, and there's no question about that. You know,

1113
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 10: it is really come. I think I had three different

1114
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 10: wheelhouses over the years. And you know, in the sense

1115
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 10: of the word. Sure, if you've got like a night

1116
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 10: bite for waters or a night bite for crappies, you know,

1117
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 10: then it's idea for that. And then you know, especially

1118
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 10: with families or if you have three or four guys

1119
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 10: in the house or going fish, then it's a big possible.

1120
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 10: You're not pretty hard to do it in one manner.

1121
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is. And if you've got small kids,

1122
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: and that was the case last year too, the kids

1123
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: come in and fish for a little while and then

1124
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: go outside and play and then they want to come

1125
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: back in for a snack and warm up.

1126
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 10: That's yes, it's yeah, you're right. And there's a lot

1127
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 10: of families that participate in the Elders for the whole

1128
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 10: weekend bill using grills on the ice one picking up

1129
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 10: almost like a summer camping trip.

1130
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: It is, it really is. And and the fishing, fishing

1131
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: is it's it's primary, but it's not the most primary.

1132
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: I think it's just the emphasis on having a good time.

1133
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: But the the bottom line is that bill, Yeah, yeah,

1134
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: you can. You can introduce people to the sport a

1135
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: lot easier too.

1136
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 10: Oh yes, yeah, there's no question about it. You know,

1137
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 10: it just but we you know, the wheelhouse market has

1138
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 10: really taken off, and I think it's really put a

1139
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 10: big emphasis I'm enjoying winter and also promoting the sport.

1140
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: Well and also using your house year round.

1141
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 10: That's the other day too, Yes, I know lots of

1142
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 10: people do that. How they justify the investment today by

1143
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 10: using it a year round. Some use it for summer camping.

1144
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 10: I know many people use it for hunting in the fall,

1145
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 10: and of course an ice issue.

1146
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: Have you been out lately?

1147
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 10: Yes, I have.

1148
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: How you doing? How you catch them?

1149
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 4: Yes?

1150
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think I said it maybe I'm one

1151
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 10: of the last times we spoke. But I've been going

1152
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 10: a little bit later in the morning. I know. We

1153
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 10: always say that early morning is the best. And the

1154
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 10: reason I've been doing that one is some of the

1155
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 10: lakes are that efficient painting quite a bit of pressure,

1156
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 10: and there's a turnover angler once that go out early

1157
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 10: in the morning. They leave right around ten eleven o'clock,

1158
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 10: and then there's another group that comes out about chasing

1159
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 10: a crappy by right around four thirty or so. So

1160
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 10: I hit it in between and that has really been very,

1161
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 10: very productive for me because you've got a lot less noise,

1162
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 10: a lot less traffic, and a lot of fishing pressure

1163
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 10: that reduced.

1164
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: So when you're driving out to a lake and I'm

1165
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: sure that's in your area, however big that is that

1166
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: you frequent Do you fish most of those lakes before?

1167
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 2: Do you do you have the number of anglers on

1168
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: a body of water in certain places? Does that have

1169
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: anything to do with whether or not you're going to

1170
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: stop and fish that or you decide where you're going

1171
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: ahead of time?

1172
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 6: Oh?

1173
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 10: Well, I usually decide where I'm going to go ahead

1174
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 10: of time, but I will definitely gauge the lake with

1175
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 10: the fishing pressure. And then two, fishing during the week

1176
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 10: really helps eliminate some of that noise in fishing pressure.

1177
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 10: And then two, you know there you know, like when

1178
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 10: I said I go out, you know right around that

1179
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 10: eleven to four o'clock time frame, there's a lot of

1180
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 10: that's less noise and fishing pressure, especially during the week,

1181
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 10: And so I really capitalize on that. And then too,

1182
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 10: I do I think this week I'm going to try

1183
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 10: a different lake again, And I just I really enjoy

1184
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 10: trying different lakes and see what I can catch. And

1185
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 10: it's just fun. And also I believe it really helps

1186
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 10: you gain more knowledge by just experimenting and working with

1187
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 10: different baits and lures.

1188
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: Working with different baits is great, but if you pick

1189
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: a body of water that the bite is really hard.

1190
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 2: You can experiment with a lot of different baits and

1191
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: not so much.

1192
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 10: Oh, yes, that's exactly right. You sure can and just

1193
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 10: amazing you know too. And I just wouldn't have been

1194
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 10: out now is that I've had some real good success

1195
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 10: with some colors and all of a sudden some of

1196
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 10: those cutters just do not work whatsoever. They need to

1197
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 10: switch over one hundred percent. But here too, that really depends,

1198
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 10: I think, on the mood of these fish out they're biting,

1199
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 10: where they're at the water column. These are all factors

1200
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 10: that we really have to try to undis understand and

1201
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 10: then relate to those locations and how the fish are reacting.

1202
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: Well in uh car or truck traffic on a on

1203
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: a body of water. It's got to make a lot

1204
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 2: of difference.

1205
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 10: It really does build yes, very high witnesses so many

1206
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 10: times over the years of ice fishing. It does make

1207
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 10: a big, big factory. It's something that I think so

1208
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 10: and we always, you know, we always say, well, it's

1209
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 10: got to be the snow wheels of four by fours

1210
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 10: or or somebody pulling a wheelhouse, you know, all these

1211
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 10: kind of factors, and it's not It can be just

1212
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 10: setting up a fish house, wheelhouse or portable, drilling your holes.

1213
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 10: There's a lot of factors. Scraping, uh you know something

1214
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 10: on the ice, radio blaring, these are all ingredients and

1215
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 10: really spooking the fishing. In fact, I even talk to

1216
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 10: some people and they say, when you have the thinner,

1217
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 10: the thinner, clear ice, even walking with cleats can spooko fish.

1218
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: Interesting And I don't doubt that a bit because you

1219
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: click two rocks together if you're swimming, you can hear

1220
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: those pretty plainly too.

1221
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, you really can it. Just I think we so

1222
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 10: often as anglers sort of have a tendency not to

1223
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 10: really acknowledge that. I've seen it so many times that

1224
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 10: we were doing TV, Bill, and we were out on

1225
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 10: the lake pretty much ourselves, and so we set up

1226
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 10: a couple of holes and the camera crew would come out,

1227
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 10: and also the fish quid biting. So we moved again

1228
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 10: the same thing. Then we moved again the same thing

1229
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 10: that was just from people walking right over where those

1230
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 10: fish were at.

1231
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: Can you use that to your advantage? And this is

1232
01:10:55,439 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 2: gonna sound really silly, but herd fish interaction.

1233
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, Bill, Yeah, I think yes, well you can.

1234
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 10: I think the biggest factor here to avoid some of

1235
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 10: these issues. Go out when you know nobody else's are

1236
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 10: very few people are out there. That's number one. Number two,

1237
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 10: drill your holes and let that noise settle down. It's

1238
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 10: so important for us through that, you know, to winter.

1239
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 10: I go out, just a comment is that I'll drill

1240
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 10: a hole and let that noise factor settle down. I'll

1241
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 10: just wait maybe up to five minutes to see ifire

1242
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 10: marketing fish. It's amazing after five minutes or seven minutes,

1243
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 10: how these fish come back into that hole. So I

1244
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 10: think so often we really ignore this noise factor, and

1245
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 10: especially on lakes that have a lot of fishing pressure,

1246
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 10: and that's maybe you know, then we have to use

1247
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 10: some kind of our different approach, maybe different loures, different colors,

1248
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 10: different jigging action, no rattles or no rattles, they're all

1249
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 10: factors helping us catch fish.

1250
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 2: And I talked to my friend up in Sock Center,

1251
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: Denny Fletcher, and he said that it's amazing how many

1252
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 2: people are on the is this year with a number

1253
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: of minnows that's his wholesale of people are calling for

1254
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: and going through on a weekly basis. He says, I

1255
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: can't keep up.

1256
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 7: Well.

1257
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 10: I in fact, I just talked to our one of

1258
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 10: our local bait shops the other day and they said

1259
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 10: the same the same thing. He said, First of all,

1260
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 10: we can't get any more shiners. And number two, he

1261
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 10: said they you know with fad Head or with Sacramento.

1262
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 10: He said, they sell out every weekend. Yeah, which is

1263
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 10: great for the industry.

1264
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: Well yeah, right. And also he makes no bones about

1265
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: they do. They sell more bait in the winter time

1266
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 2: than they do in the summertime. And that for me

1267
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: was hard to fathom a little bit, but it's true.

1268
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 10: Well it is, you know, and I know one of

1269
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 10: the day chops to me, he loves the wheelhouses that

1270
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 10: come in, you know, for bait, because he said he

1271
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 10: always buy bait for the weekend and then they throw

1272
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 10: it away after Monday comes around, so they replenish your

1273
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 10: supply on another weekend. But you know, if you got grub,

1274
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 10: you can keep those grubs for a long time if

1275
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 10: you use proper care.

1276
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you don't use proper care, you've got

1277
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: big flies.

1278
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 10: Refrigerator for that man, your investment is right.

1279
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: Literally gets swatted.

1280
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 10: He threw out the direct.

1281
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: So you've got an event coming up early February, don't you.

1282
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do.

1283
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: Go.

1284
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 10: Hey, thanks for asking. I got a lot going on

1285
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 10: to the couple for a couple of weeks now. But yeah,

1286
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 10: it's going to be again the Fishing for Life, which

1287
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 10: is non proper organization, and we'll be called the Holes

1288
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 10: for Arrows, and this will be at uh Medicine Lake

1289
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 10: and from I'm just looking at my modes here he's

1290
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 10: active a tournament cellar. The contest starts, goes from one

1291
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 10: till four February seventh and the Medicine Lake and everybody

1292
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 10: can coming in on the East Medicine Lake Park and

1293
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 10: then too, you know, trying it to be there by

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 10: eleven thirty that's when the main stage starts, and then

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01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 10: the opening ceremonies at noon. And they got a time

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 10: of stuff going on. In fact, they got up to

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01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,839
Speaker 10: five thousand or more prizes to have offered the winners.

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 10: And then too, it's not just for the veterans, also

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 10: people that are participating actively and also for their families.

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01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 10: The general public is invited. But here, of course it's

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 10: going to be some costs, but it really is a great,

1302
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 10: great time and I'll be in the in ten calling

1303
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 10: the appreciation host and so it's going to be it's

1304
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 10: always a fun time, Bill, It's just it just you know,

1305
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 10: and there's uh hot beverages, there's gonna be gifts for

1306
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 10: the active and retirement military. It just it's just very

1307
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 10: enjoyable time. And these veterans really really approached the opportunity.

1308
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 3: And the biggest news is that Tackle Terry just told

1309
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: us what lake he's gonna be on and when he's

1310
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,799
Speaker 3: going to be there, right.

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: Where he's going to be February seventh.

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01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: You're want to on the chance to meet Tackle on

1313
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 3: a lake and he's not secretive about it.

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.

1315
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 10: Well, thank you, it is. You know, it's great. It's

1316
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 10: amazing how anglers come up and visit and talk and

1317
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 10: ask questions, and so many of the veterans, I think

1318
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 10: all of that really appreciate the opportunity that's given to them,

1319
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 10: and it's just really it's just a very very much

1320
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 10: mohun down.

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01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: Tackle. We will wish you success and when you get

1322
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: out again, stay warm, stay on top of the ice,

1323
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: and keep setting the look.

1324
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 10: Okay, sounds great. Thank you guys so much, and everybody

1325
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 10: you just, like Bill said, keep on going there, you go,

1326
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 10: keep on going.

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01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: That's tackle Derry joins us every other week on Fan Outdoors.

1328
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: We will take a pause and be back with the

1329
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: final segment for this Saturday morning. After this last segment,

1330
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: well it is the last segment.

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01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 6: Hey.

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01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 2: If you're looking for something to let you think spring

1333
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: a little bit, that would be me. The boat Show

1334
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 2: is going Minneapolis Auditorium and you can go down there

1335
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: and be just leaving the cold behind, be sitting in

1336
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 2: a boat and dreaming about June fifteenth.

1337
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 5: Ye.

1338
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: And maybe there's some of the other products that are

1339
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: down there too. If they are, I encourage you to

1340
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 2: stop by Hammed Birdman Kota because they have got some

1341
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: that new Menkota. I haven't used it, but I have

1342
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: read stories. It is absolutely incredible. A trolling motor. Yeah, okay,

1343
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: three miles an hour. It'll run wide open pull in

1344
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: a bass boat. That's pretty fast. I have trouble walking

1345
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: and running far for hours on end. I know I can't.

1346
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: There's that's that's a recurring theme in today's edition. Run it.

1347
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 3: Did you catch the outdoor newshe show up this week

1348
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 3: and you mailbox I did? Did you catch the signature

1349
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 3: fish photo in outdoor news. No, h, do you have

1350
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: it with you? Take a look at it? Is that you?

1351
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: No, No, take a look at it. Eric's not going

1352
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: to be happy. I'll tell you that I'll never find that.

1353
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 2: The first photo at the bottom of the page. Where's it?

1354
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: Where's the big thirty inch walleye come from? Sock Lake?

1355
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 2: Sockl Like, yeah, bad publicity for your favorite fishery. Oh there, yeah,

1356
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: I have a thirty inch I wonder if I caught No,

1357
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,520
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you had caught and released that

1358
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: that beautiful I recognized the name to the angler local.

1359
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: I don't know them, but it's on the local name.

1360
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 3: I figured you'd seen that. And you're rolling your eyes

1361
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: like hit a ripping wrap. I was I saw that too.

1362
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 3: It was probably purple.

1363
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: I am trying there. Are you trying to tweet right now?

1364
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm not what are you doing? I am trying to

1365
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: get we were talking about. I tried to play this

1366
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: before you played a video. It's a video, but it's

1367
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: the excitement of a youngster catching a sunfish. Okay, this

1368
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: is my grandson. If it plays this time, which it

1369
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: didn't die before.

1370
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 7: Right behind you.

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01:19:47,880 --> 01:20:10,520
Speaker 8: Real Really, it's great that one.

1372
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: So that's great.

1373
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 3: You just plan over and over and think about spring

1374
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 3: getting here.

1375
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: It's so funny. Oh yeah, baby, and then lifting it

1376
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: he smacks it. Get this, he smacks the fish right

1377
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: into the side of the boat. Oh Darde. He was

1378
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: so excited. And if you've got little ones, it's worth

1379
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 2: its weight in gold to get them out and doing that.

1380
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 2: And if you've got a wheelhouse or a chance to

1381
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: be in one, they'd like the ice fish and it's

1382
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: warms up to a decent temperature, you can be out

1383
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: on the ice. I highly encourage it because it is

1384
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 2: just it's a really really special time and that I

1385
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: just I had a blast.

1386
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 3: Was that on the pontoon? Yeah, yeah, like you said,

1387
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 3: I think it was last week. One of the benefits

1388
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 3: of a pontoon, Yeah, fabulous for bringing kids out, yeah.

1389
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 2: Or new fishermen too. I mean it's the moving around

1390
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: is so crucial to be able to just go around

1391
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: helping and yeah, yeah, stretching the legs a little bit.

1392
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty fun, pretty fun. But I know it's

1393
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: I know it's a long way away, but.

1394
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: It feels like it, but it's really not. As you mentioned,

1395
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: you know, the days are getting a little bit longer.

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01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: We've gained. We gained about twelve minutes a week.

1397
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: Now I get done, you know, five o'clock bell rings,

1398
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 3: and you know, I can see my truck now, and

1399
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 3: that's increasing.

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01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: So the temperatures are low, but that won't last forever.

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 2: And it's it's kind of it's typical. I guess it

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01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: should be, although we've for me anyway, I can't speak

1403
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: to anybody else, but I really don't know what typical

1404
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: is anymore. And it just seems that the El Nino

1405
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: and La Nina make such a big difference. I've never

1406
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 2: believed in that before, but I'm beginning to now. And

1407
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: we get these the deep freezes. Yeah, and then it

1408
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: kind of goes goofy because in the South they're expecting

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01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: I looked at the snow totals that they're expecting down there,

1410
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: and it's just goofy, lots of snow.

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 3: We put out a weather report with our friends in

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01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 3: Minneapolis at predict Ex it's a meteorology business that we're

1413
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 3: partnering with this year, and we put out weather maps

1414
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 3: on our Quail channels Quail Forever. And this storm is

1415
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: the real deal. It's a two thousand mile stretch of

1416
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 3: the southern part of the Kine, stretching from eastern New

1417
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 3: Mexico to Maine. And you're right, the snow totals are

1418
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 3: anywhere from six to eighteen inches of snow depending on

1419
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 3: where you're looking at on the map. And it's going

1420
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: to set record lows ice storms. So yeah, undoubtedly going

1421
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:21,480
Speaker 3: to have an impact on travel and people and wildlife,

1422
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 3: which is why we put out these maps. For quail,

1423
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: it's just going to hammer them, especially where there's not

1424
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 3: good quality winter cover.

1425
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 2: It's what does a quail need for good quality?

1426
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 3: Well, well, you think about there aren't a whole heck

1427
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 3: of a lot of quail as far north as Minnesota.

1428
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: Even so, they are very susceptible to cold weather and

1429
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 3: deep snow.

1430
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: They just they have a ring neck.

1431
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 3: Pheasant can dig through the snow to get fine waste

1432
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: grain and seeds. Quail of just little. Are they strictly

1433
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 3: a ground feeder. They won't go up in trees and

1434
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: take budds and stuff primarily. I mean I think that

1435
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 3: that like most wildlife, they'll find food wherever they can.

1436
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're little and they would prefer to eat

1437
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 3: on the ground. But yeah, that's this is to stay warm,

1438
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 3: they huddle up together, but to butt to you know,

1439
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 3: keep temperature up throughout the night. So this weather that's

1440
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 3: coming through with severely cold temperatures are really going to

1441
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 3: have an impact on.

1442
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: Them, will they thought, Will they bounce back or will

1443
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,480
Speaker 2: it decimate a population?

1444
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 3: Well, hard to know, depending on how bad the weather

1445
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 3: is and how much habitat is on the ground to

1446
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 3: mitigate the weather. The good thing about quail is they

1447
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 3: can bounce back quicker than most It's called r factor.

1448
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 3: They have the ability to reproduce bicker than a lot

1449
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 3: of other species.

1450
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:03,480
Speaker 2: They can.

1451
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 3: They've shown that some hens will reproduce more than once

1452
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: during a season. So you know, if you think about that,

1453
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: having eleven eggs and doing that once or twice, you

1454
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 3: can put a lot more birds into the landscape during

1455
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 3: a one calendar year than some of the other species

1456
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: like pheasants just rough grouse one clutch of eggs, well,

1457
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 3: getting into that if they get predated or not, but

1458
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 3: essentially one clutch a year, whereas quail, there's been some

1459
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 3: research that shows that they can do more than one.

1460
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 3: But long winded answer is, yeah, they can bounce back

1461
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 3: quick but they have to have the right conditions.

1462
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: Well, and they have to have somebody survived. You have

1463
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: got to have somebody survive.

1464
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: And then you think about, you know, just their the

1465
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 3: climate that's coming through, and then this weekend is not.

1466
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: Normal for the ba boy Quail Range. So it's going

1467
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 2: to put a hurt on them. Yeah, that's that's too bad.

1468
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: And you know with the cold weather, I think that

1469
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: it's for us anyway, most of the cold the critters

1470
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:21,440
Speaker 2: are going to survive. It's not the decimating deep snow

1471
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 2: and the starvation and that kind of Yet. Yeah, there's

1472
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 2: duration hasn't been long at this point. Long. It feels long,

1473
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: it does, but what are we looking at like four

1474
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 2: days of it? Yeah, so not insurmountable, No, I guess not.

1475
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: I just and there's you know, like Stan has taught us,

1476
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,919
Speaker 2: there's benefits to some of this too. You know Emerald

1477
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: ash board for instance, this will set the Emerald ash

1478
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: boar back a bit. If these severely cold temperatures, which

1479
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: you know, that's a very good thing. There's a lot

1480
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: of pests for lack of a better term, that shouldn't

1481
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: be here in this cold weather will be be good

1482
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: for them, I know, that I had Chad's two Britney's

1483
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: for a part of a week. And as I'd let

1484
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 2: the three out into the backyard, which is fenced, in

1485
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 2: the morning and just the beginning to be light, I

1486
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: looked on the outside of the deck. There's been a

1487
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 2: rabbit that lives underneath the deck because it's skirted and things,

1488
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: so they're protected. Well, there was a rabbit out there.

1489
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 2: I didn't see the second one. There was two rabbits. Well,

1490
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: the first one. The dogs went out, and immediately the

1491
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: rabbit breaks for the fence in the backyard to get away.

1492
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 2: There's a little hole there and you can eat you

1493
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 2: were never no matter where he is, he can find

1494
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: that little hole, shoot right through it. He shot through it. Well,

1495
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 2: his buddy, the dogs are on their way out there.

1496
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 2: His buddy took off and then caught the dog's eye.

1497
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: He headed to the left a little bit, and there

1498
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 2: wasn't an opening in the fence to the left, so

1499
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: he made a hard right. Clyde and Clyde and left

1500
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: turn Clyde the movie anyway, Okay, well there would be

1501
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 2: somebody remember. Anyway, He made a right turn and headed

1502
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: down along the fence, and these three dogs are just

1503
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: digging snow behind it. I mean honest, you could see

1504
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 2: the snow flying, and that rabbit was going just as

1505
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 2: tight as he could go behind the woodpile out around

1506
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: behind the boats which are stored back there, and then

1507
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 2: making another right turn and coming back and underneath the

1508
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 2: bump out for the occupy the motors. When they had

1509
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: bigger moats, they shot under that and the dog kind

1510
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: of ran their nose right into the wall. So there

1511
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,759
Speaker 2: I'm watching this and it's just it's like Laurel and Hardy.

1512
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost the Three Stooges going fishing. Was

1513
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: that an episode? Yeah, it was an episode anyway, but

1514
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: it was. It was most hilarious. And the rabbits are rabbits.

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01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 4: One.

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01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: No, it's nothing. Since we're think it's spring. What when

1517
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: do you normally open up the cabin on the first

1518
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 2: part of April? Okay, all right, it's an already. Think

1519
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: you have a calendar where you're marking the days off?

1520
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 2: Not yet, No, not yet. But I did look at

1521
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: some YouTube stuff. I think I'm going to try hunting

1522
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: turkeys this year with my sixteen gauge, and I've always

1523
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: hunted the twelve and I found some loads that sixteen

1524
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 2: gauge that are most manufacturers make it for.

1525
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: Sixteen seeing to think about spring Turkey season every day,

1526
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 3: every day, every day you're thinking about it.

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01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Anyway, we've got to go and turn it over to

1528
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 2: in the Zone with Tucker and Sinecon. It'll be a

1529
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 2: good stuff and keep it right here. But for our guests,

1530
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 2: for mister Doug Durhan for joining us, and thank you Doug,

1531
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 2: and he's going to be at pheasant Fest. For Stan

1532
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,879
Speaker 2: Tequila who is out in Bozeman, Montana as we speak,

1533
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 2: tackle Terry who joined us each and every other week.

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01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm Billy Hildebrand, but he is Bob Saint Pierre and

1535
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 2: their producer, the executive producer, Brett Blakeber And for all

1536
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 2: three of us, have a great weekend. All stay warm

1537
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,919
Speaker 2: and Tata